Author Topic: Burning out big time. Pay off remaining debt or start investing heavily now?  (Read 808 times)

Puzzled_Collection

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Hi. Apologies for the lengthy post. There's a lot to get off my chest.

In the last two years I've paid off around $65,000 of debt. That includes a car, bigger payments on a second car, some student loans, and a ton of credit card debt. I've got $40,000 in debt remaining. That's $9,500 left on the second car and the rest are student loans. The interest rate on the car is 5% (although the remaining interest is $700 if I pay the minimum). The interest rate on the student loans varies based on group but for the biggest loans it's around 3 to 4 percent.

I currently have $9,000 in cash, $2,000 in a brokerage account, and another $10,000 or so i can get from exercising some stock options. (That's $10,000 after taxes and fees). So around $21,000 in money I can access today, with another $35,000 in stock options/RSUs that are going to vest over the next two years.

My car payment is $300 and my student loan payment is $360. My other expenses are very low since I currently live with my parents. When I include transportation to work, phone, gas, some food, etc, my monthly expenses come out to around $1100 to $1200 a month. Let's say $1400 to include some spending on fun. My post-tax income is currently around $65,000 a year not including the stock options / RSUs that are going to vest over the next two years.

The problem is that I'm becoming severely burned out at work and in life in general. I attribute this to the amount of debt I've paid off over the last two years and the amount of money I wasted before coming across Mr Money Mustache and leanfire and etc.

I'm struggling between deciding if I should keep on pursuing debt repayment vs investing heavily now. If I use $20,000 of my savings to pay off the second car and a large chunk of my student loans, my remaining monthly expenses would be more than covered by the remaining $1,000 in my bank account until I get another check from work. Should I do that? And then keep on heavily repaying debt until I'm debt free?

Or should I instead resort to paying minimums on all remaining debt...and just sock away a shit ton of money into investments? If I invest all the money that would otherwise go to servicing the debt, in a year from now I could potentially have $100,000 saved. And then in another year, close to $200,000 saved. Whereas if I pay off half of my remaining debt now and then pay off the rest of the debt over the next 4-5 months, it'll take me much longer to get to $200,000 saved. I'd also be paying a much higher tax rate on the stock options I'd be exercising for debt repayment, unless I hold on to them for a year and exercise/sell them then. That makes me think I should just start investing my direct income heavily and then in 3 years when all my stock has vested and when I can sell it at the capital gains tax rate instead of the income tax rate, it could pay off my remaining debt for me.

Normally I wouldn't be in a rush to save up that much money, but since I'm single and since my expenses are low and since I'd like to get my own place soon I reckon that it makes more sense to start building up investments now and take advantage of the strong economy while I'm still living with my parents.

My ultimate goal is to have enough money coming in off of investments that I'm free to do whatever I want, even if it means working on my own software at home or starting some other random business. I want to be my own person. I'm getting physically sick and tired of going into the office and working on meaningless stuff. Should I just stick with the original plan of paying off my debt, saving up an emergency fund, saving up 25% for a starter house, and THEN invest? Or is the market hot enough that I'd be missing out on a ripe opportunity to really grow my net worth faster?

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You are single and live with your parents but have two cars?  You've burnt yourself out at work paying off one car and now you are worried about having to continue working and paying down the debt on the second car?


Dude, listen to yourself.  Better yet, listen to the advice you are going to get here.  Sell both cars, buy a beater and be freeeeee!

As to the rest, I'm guessing (hoping) that you are young.  You should be maxing out a retirement account this financial year in order to take advantage of the tax savings now and the compounding that your investments will make over the next 20 or 30 years.  The interest rates on the student loans are low enough that you are better off investing for anything that's about 3% or less, but pay off any others.


Finally, there are intermediate steps between living with your parents and buying your own place.  Explore some of them.

teltic

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1.  ... You have 2 cars?  Who the hell are you? Immediately face punch yourself.  Sell the more expensive NOW.
2. Reread #1.  Fucking do it.

3. When it comes to investing vs. debt payoff.. I would pay anything over 4% interest rates.  I personally think 4% guaranteed return is better than the volatile 8% return.
4. "it'll take me longer to get $200k if I pay off debt first".  How so?  4-5 month delay in investing will do this?  We are long overdue to a market correction. It smells that you are not index investing, and hand picking stocks (maybe even options).  How will you feel when we drop 20% this fall in the markets.  Losing 20% plus having all your debt?  Can you stomach that? Not a smart choice IMO.


I feel you about getting sick of working. I get it.  I'm pissed to know I have to go into work tomorrow. But... This should be the fire you need to minimize your expenses and maximize income.  Seriously that second car is so stupid. You want to be FI but you have 2 cars?  Easiest $2-4k in annual savings ever by selling one of those cars. Face punch face punch face punch.

Whatever you do, good luck sir!