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Basement questions
« on: February 01, 2024, 02:56:02 PM »
Moved in to 2021 built house in SE Mi, about 2100 sq ft house.
I bought 450 sq ft of interlocking gym mats (some amazon deal for $150) and been using them for flooring and nothing else right now.
We are using for toy area, gym and a home office at the moment.

Basement height: 105"
Area: 950 sq ft (- 100 on utility area)

Basement - Plan:
1. Frame entire basement (860 sq ft excluding 100 sq ft of utility area)
2. Drywall it
3. Spray paint the ceiling
4. Add one bath in basement, enclose the utility area
5. Add basic bulb fixtures (as I have a lot of regular LED bulbs) or add a simple fixture for regular led bulbs. Not that recessed lights are expensive, but its the same efficiency on regular bulbs. This may change to recessed based on wife influence. But is a $100 for all bulbs we are talking.

Reason to finish:
1. Increase space for kids
      - 5yo already want her toys and stuff in basement and when other kids come, she wants to play in basement
2. Our gathering usually about 4-5 families, which will come around 12 adults and 8 kids.
3. Increase the home value. We aren't planning to sell near term, but if we move out for work, will lease it. Location is good, would rent faster and higher.
4. I have the interest/time and less money now. Yes, less money. Future, if i have one other other changing, would never do or outsource and waste money.
5. I believe in living with minimalist but same time need to satisfy better half and kids request. We may plan another baby in a year, so i only got next 6 months for all these projects. Then will be busy on baby or the job change for next couple years.

Questions:
1. Spray paint ceiling to black
     - First, is it good idea painting in black? I have a 5g external flat paint I picked for $15 (but i may not use in basement)
     - I plan to not paint valves, two inches of wires to junction box, cover hvac, one entire room as black (Media/HT room). Is there anything else i shouldnt paint black?
   
2. Radon - Is it a diy or give it to professional?
      - It looks the drilling and making pit, the biggest time consuming and with material diy may cost 300-450, where the professional cost may around 800-1000. If I do, it may be like 2 days worth of work and need to call for a friend help. Anyone did by your own?

3. Permit
       - For partial/full finish of basement, I checked city office, looks like they would increase my taxes about $800-900 for partial finish and may go around $3000 added in case of full finish. But neither would count on total sq foot of the house. So far, no one suggesting me to get the permit. Whats your suggestion? I know its up to me, but what is the negative side if i dont pull a permit? Our annual tax is around $10,400 and I only see these numbers go up after years. We will not sell the house unless we absolutely need to as there is another house we rented. We may rent it if we move.

Update: after comments, talking to real restate agent and the sewer backup on old house and dealing with plumbing company night mare on last two days,  I decided to get permit and get all endorsements on insurance.

4. Insulation:
       - Builder gave that insulation with the plastic all over the basement (I think its the code now for new constructions).
       - Thinking if i should insulate the HT room (11x13) ceiling with stonewool batt and bathroom and leave other areas with just black paint. Walls wont have separate insulation either.
       - current basement isnt that cool/hot either.
       - Do i need to insulate more?

5. Floor:
      - I am planning to do vinyl flooring throughout (about 900 sq ft) and lay the current gym mat on top of it on kids/gym/gathering area. HT will just lay a rug.

6. Is there a code on how we should enter into utility area? Can i build a door inside the bathroom to access them?

Any other things I should consider or overthinking?
« Last Edit: February 11, 2024, 05:39:59 PM by Trying2bFrugal »

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Re: Basement questions
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2024, 03:03:19 PM »
Questions:
1. Spray paint ceiling to black
     - First, is it good idea painting in black? I have a 5g external flat paint I picked for $15 (but i may not use in basement)
When I redid the basement at my old house, I put in a dropped ceiling. They are rather inexpensive, look nice, and allow easy access.

5. Floor: - I am planning to do vinyl flooring throughout (about 900 sq ft) and lay the current gym mat on top of it on kids/gym/gathering area. HT will just lay a rug.
If there's any chance you'll get water in the basement after a heavy rain, go with tile instead of vinyl.

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Re: Basement questions
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2024, 03:15:59 PM »
Questions:
1. Spray paint ceiling to black
     - First, is it good idea painting in black? I have a 5g external flat paint I picked for $15 (but i may not use in basement)
When I redid the basement at my old house, I put in a dropped ceiling. They are rather inexpensive, look nice, and allow easy access.

5. Floor: - I am planning to do vinyl flooring throughout (about 900 sq ft) and lay the current gym mat on top of it on kids/gym/gathering area. HT will just lay a rug.
If there's any chance you'll get water in the basement after a heavy rain, go with tile instead of vinyl.

I initially thought i would just to drywall. I can pry and repair if needed. But wife want to get black paint (new norm it seems, lol) and if in future I want to do a drop ceiling or drywall, thats still an option. Right now its only the paint cost as I would borrow the airless sprayer from a friend.

The house is pretty much raised 4+ ft above grade, so getting flood or heavy rain is going to be rare. But i thought the vinyl planks are inert and cheap. I never thought of tiles as only thought of carpet and lvp. May be i will check.

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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2024, 03:24:15 PM »
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3. Permit
       - For partial/full finish of basement, I checked city office, looks like they would increase my taxes about $800-900 for partial finish and may go around $3000 added in case of full finish. But neither would count on total sq foot of the house. So far, no one suggesting me to get the permit. Whats your suggestion? I know its up to me, but what is the negative side if i dont pull a permit? Our annual tax is around $10,400 and I only see these numbers go up after years. We will not sell the house unless we absolutely need to as there is another house we rented. We may rent it if we move.

The negative side…? If you don’t pull a permit for projects where you are required to do so they can impose stiff penalties, and even force you to rip out  finished work.  A secondary risk is with homeowners insurance.  They can deny claims for damage to work on an unpermitted space. When you sell it’s likely to be noticed that it’s unpermitted, aNd it can also be discovered under routine appraisals

Further, every codes department I’ve ever known is happy to discuss your project and whether it needs a permit before you start, because it makes their jobs MUCH easier. It’s not uncommon for them to make suggestions on what you can do to eliminate required site visits (for example, ours told us if we lowered the deck heigh from 32” to under 30” we would need no inspection and no railings, which saved us some time and a lot of money)

Seriously… contact your permitting office.  Because most of what you describe would require a permit in most municipalities.

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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2024, 04:09:56 PM »
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3. Permit
       - For partial/full finish of basement, I checked city office, looks like they would increase my taxes about $800-900 for partial finish and may go around $3000 added in case of full finish. But neither would count on total sq foot of the house. So far, no one suggesting me to get the permit. Whats your suggestion? I know its up to me, but what is the negative side if i dont pull a permit? Our annual tax is around $10,400 and I only see these numbers go up after years. We will not sell the house unless we absolutely need to as there is another house we rented. We may rent it if we move.

The negative side…? If you don’t pull a permit for projects where you are required to do so they can impose stiff penalties, and even force you to rip out  finished work.  A secondary risk is with homeowners insurance.  They can deny claims for damage to work on an unpermitted space. When you sell it’s likely to be noticed that it’s unpermitted, aNd it can also be discovered under routine appraisals

Further, every codes department I’ve ever known is happy to discuss your project and whether it needs a permit before you start, because it makes their jobs MUCH easier. It’s not uncommon for them to make suggestions on what you can do to eliminate required site visits (for example, ours told us if we lowered the deck heigh from 32” to under 30” we would need no inspection and no railings, which saved us some time and a lot of money)

Seriously… contact your permitting office.  Because most of what you describe would require a permit in most municipalities.

Thanks! I contacted city building permit office, got paper forms and inquired treasury on tax impact. I just thought of asking to fellow mustachs to their opinion and want to know the risk or worthiness on not doing it.

In my mind I will get the city inspected as next big project is Deck which obviously will get city involved. If we kept the house next 10 years, i am looking at 10k spent on taxes which would less the ones you mentioned. I am going to do all work myself. If it is outsourced, they may toll 30k for same work (a friend did their basement similar without basement costed them 20k, the sub-par contractor didnt got any permit and worse they didnt even gave them wiring for speakers).

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2024, 12:57:27 AM »
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3. Permit
       - For partial/full finish of basement, I checked city office, looks like they would increase my taxes about $800-900 for partial finish and may go around $3000 added in case of full finish. But neither would count on total sq foot of the house.
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The negative side…? If you don’t pull a permit for projects where you are required to do so they can impose stiff penalties, and even force you to rip out  finished work.  A secondary risk is with homeowners insurance.  They can deny claims for damage to .

I will get permitted and do black paint on ceiling. Thanks.

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2024, 09:49:02 AM »
Have you tested for radon or just assuming it’s there.

I’m pretty sure I could DIY radon abatement with my civil and environmental BS. But I’m not sure if I would attempt it. I wouldn’t be confident in it for at least a year of testing afterward. I would not do it DIY with a baby due in less than a year.

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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2024, 04:07:08 PM »
Have you tested for radon or just assuming it’s there.

I’m pretty sure I could DIY radon abatement with my civil and environmental BS. But I’m not sure if I would attempt it. I wouldn’t be confident in it for at least a year of testing afterward. I would not do it DIY with a baby due in less than a year.

I did not test it. To professionally test (200) or a kit, it may come less now then later could come higher. I thought i would rather install instead of waiting for something popup. With all the chemical we undeniably consume, lets cut the damage.

Two of my neighbors installed it. One being paranoid and have less than average and otherone said he had option to ask Builder to put and cook into his mortgage (he did his lawn and concrete poured as well, not sure how he got so lucky though).

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2024, 07:06:41 AM »
I finished our basement myself a few years back.  Here are a few thoughts:
1) plan the layout with furniture in place.  Think about walking paths, what areas will be most frequently accessed, etc.  In other words, how people will use the space.  For example, the bedroom I put in our basement is quite small (<10x10'), yet it holds a queen sized bed and nightstands easily, with no walkways obstructed or inconvenient.
2) It's worth it to add insulation to the walls.  I put fiberglass batts in the bedroom and bathroom rather than Rock wool, and it still made a big difference for sound isolation.  Although I added R-11 insulation to the rest of the exterior walls, I wish I had added more.  If I were to do it again, I'd pack all those voids with dense pack cellulose for the extra R-value.
3) I didn't add a radon pit, but I did add an ejector pit.  It was dirty, very physical work, but not actually all that bad.  The hardest part was keeping water out of it as I dug it out.  I got a small landscaping pond pump and some vinyl tubing to move it into the sump.
4) Permits.  This depends on your area.  My local building code office has always been quite helpful and friendly.  Thankfully, in my area a finished basement doesn't impact taxes.
5) We put in carpet, and I plan to put in a battery backup sump pump soon.  They're expensive, but a whole lot less hassle and cost than ripping out the 65-oz carpet we got at a discount (best. deal. ever.)
6) DW didn't want a drop ceiling, and I wanted to retain access, so I built a ceiling with large MDF panels that hinge down on one side.  It has come in handy LOTS of times.  The "spray paint it all black" approach is a trend.  Will it stick?  I wouldn't count on it.  However, you have the paint, and you have the option of adding a different kind of ceiling later, so I'd say "go for it"

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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2024, 08:51:32 AM »
I saw a diy video that cut drywall into panels that fit between the joists.  Then they painted each of the panels black.  It looked really good and seemed to be a very inexpensive alternative and allowed easy access to the wiring above the new "drop" panels

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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2024, 11:33:55 AM »
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3) I didn't add a radon pit, but I did add an ejector pit.  It was dirty, very physical work, but not actually all that bad.  The hardest part was keeping water out of it as I dug it out.  I got a small landscaping pond pump and some vinyl tubing to move it into the sump.

Ooh can you explain this (what is an ejector pit)? I need to add a sump pump somewhere in the crawl space or outside under the existing walkway because the French drain behind the foundation walls is no longer doing enough to keep out underground water on one corner of the house when we get heavy rain, and it comes up in the basement bathroom and through cracks in the floor.

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2024, 12:13:11 PM »
An ejector pit is like a sump, but for sewage. The sewage pipe exits our house above the level of the basement floor, so we have to have an ejector pit (with pump) for the bathroom drains.

A sump pit is similar, but it is tied into a drain tile around the foundation, and its pump outlet goes to the storm drain.  When you put one in, I'd suggest you get a deep one (30" or more), and make sure the drain tile is designed and installed in such a way that you can keep your local groundwater level well below (not just a little) your foundation

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2024, 06:04:48 PM »
I finished our basement myself a few years back.  Here are a few thoughts:
1) plan the layout with furniture in place.  Think about walking paths, what areas will be most frequently accessed, etc.  In other words, how people will use the space.  For example, the bedroom I put in our basement is quite small (<10x10'), yet it holds a queen sized bed and nightstands easily, with no walkways obstructed or inconvenient.
2) It's worth it to add insulation to the walls.  I put fiberglass batts in the bedroom and bathroom rather than Rock wool, and it still made a big difference for sound isolation.  Although I added R-11 insulation to the rest of the exterior walls, I wish I had added more.  If I were to do it again, I'd pack all those voids with dense pack cellulose for the extra R-value.
3) I didn't add a radon pit, but I did add an ejector pit.  It was dirty, very physical work, but not actually all that bad.  The hardest part was keeping water out of it as I dug it out.  I got a small landscaping pond pump and some vinyl tubing to move it into the sump.
4) Permits.  This depends on your area.  My local building code office has always been quite helpful and friendly.  Thankfully, in my area a finished basement doesn't impact taxes.
5) We put in carpet, and I plan to put in a battery backup sump pump soon.  They're expensive, but a whole lot less hassle and cost than ripping out the 65-oz carpet we got at a discount (best. deal. ever.)
6) DW didn't want a drop ceiling, and I wanted to retain access, so I built a ceiling with large MDF panels that hinge down on one side.  It has come in handy LOTS of times.  The "spray paint it all black" approach is a trend.  Will it stick?  I wouldn't count on it.  However, you have the paint, and you have the option of adding a different kind of ceiling later, so I'd say "go for it"

Thanks!

I added the layout. Right now, our 5yo and if possible another kid, their friends, hangouts, so we agreed the one on bottom right for adult/media/wet bar area. Once they grow old, either we make on of those top or left as bedroom. But for now, we would get those sofa/bed convertible, so incase someone need to stay, can be converted to temp bedroom. Only thought right now whether to add double door on media room or not. For now, I think heavy blanket would work. And thats the only place I am going to insulate wall,  ceiling with rockwool, drywall ceiling (nothing much pipe going on that ceiling except water main line) and the bathroom with rockwool (or fiberglass batt). Builder added insulation with vapor barrier screwed on the walls (builder said it is code here). Another thing I think, is getting those hvac outlets to floor level, leave intake at ceiling.

Only thing I couldnt decide is, if I  have to build separate storage room other than 3 feet space in utility room, small 4ftx2ft. I will be adding overhead storage shelves in garage and store temperature insensitive stuff there
 Right now, we dont have ton of sensitive stuff. We think of let  go to goodwill if we dont use stuff instead of storing.

I was thinking about battery backup sump pump, wireless water sensor alarms, LVP, tiles in bathroom, standup shower, canless lights (originally I was thinking of just getting regular e26 screw bulb fixtures as I already got ton of bulbs but these recessed lights are not much expensive as well, still thinking.  Got ton of time on them).

We thought to keep pretty much open floor, so incase of any future, can move things quickly. Also the layout is already simple.

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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2024, 06:07:54 PM »
I saw a diy video that cut drywall into panels that fit between the joists.  Then they painted each of the panels black.  It looked really good and seemed to be a very inexpensive alternative and allowed easy access to the wiring above the new "drop" panels



Mine has I-Joists and pex, gas pipes going outside of them and Hvac is going on most joists with support at level. When I saw that video I thought it was good idea but then realized it wont work for me. That couple was amazing building stuff.

Black dryfall paint is what right now on our minds.

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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2024, 04:36:53 AM »
I added the layout. Right now, our 5yo and if possible another kid, their friends, hangouts, so we agreed the one on bottom right for adult/media/wet bar area. Once they grow old, either we make on of those top or left as bedroom. But for now, we would get those sofa/bed convertible, so incase someone need to stay, can be converted to temp bedroom. Only thought right now whether to add double door on media room or not. For now, I think heavy blanket would work. And thats the only place I am going to insulate wall,  ceiling with rockwool, drywall ceiling (nothing much pipe going on that ceiling except water main line) and the bathroom with rockwool (or fiberglass batt). Builder added insulation with vapor barrier screwed on the walls (builder said it is code here). Another thing I think, is getting those hvac outlets to floor level, leave intake at ceiling.

Only thing I couldnt decide is, if I  have to build separate storage room other than 3 feet space in utility room, small 4ftx2ft. I will be adding overhead storage shelves in garage and store temperature insensitive stuff there
 Right now, we dont have ton of sensitive stuff. We think of let  go to goodwill if we dont use stuff instead of storing.

I was thinking about battery backup sump pump, wireless water sensor alarms, LVP, tiles in bathroom, standup shower, canless lights (originally I was thinking of just getting regular e26 screw bulb fixtures as I already got ton of bulbs but these recessed lights are not much expensive as well, still thinking.  Got ton of time on them).

We thought to keep pretty much open floor, so incase of any future, can move things quickly. Also the layout is already simple.
Thanks for posting the layout!

Several months ago, we had a realtor acquaintance walk through our house, to give us advice on how to prep our home for sale.  One of her tips was that home offices are a big selling point nowadays, thanks to the number of WFH jobs. 

Here are a few thoughts about the layout:
--If I were you, I'd make an office out of the 116sqft area at the top
--The location/size of the home theater area is great
--It's not clear which side of the stairs is the lower half.  Either way, make sure you can use the space underneath for storage (and put a light there, too!)
--I left extra space at the bottom of our stairs, to make moving large stuff easier, and I'm very glad I did.
--If you moved the left wall of the utility room out a couple feet, you could gain a whole wall of shelves inside the utility room.  We have 24"-deep shelves in our utility room, and I wouldn't do that again--I'd go with 18" or 16" shelves.  I'd use a swing door rather than a sliding or pocket door, and make it a 36" one.  If you have to replace a water heater or furnace, the larger opening will be appreciated.

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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2024, 11:29:56 PM »
Quote from: zolotiyeruki link=topic=133529.msg3230939#msg3230939

 make it a 36" one.  If you have to replace a water heater or furnace, the larger opening will be appreciated.

Thanks for the inputs!!

Now I feel better on HT as wife thought it might be small, to me it would be logical to move section for adult and one big half for kids and other. Also easy to put in speakers n stuff.

 Initial plan was to build a wall on leftside as bed (15x9) room and top as gym/ office setup. Later we decided to keep the open space for kids (2yo to 8 yo kids come to our home,  6 kids at reach gathering) and until they may go college, they may need space. Also when I was in japan the open space culture they used in office were total opposite to what I get to see in USA. But you are right, it does increase people value towards basement.

Thanks, I was thinking on making little big room utility space. Might be a good spot for storage. I have two 16" free standing shelves. May be i will use them instead of fixing with 2x4 shelve. I dont know if I can store anything meaningful under stair case though. Thats the only wasted space.

Also was thinking if I should frame using 2x6 on some of those small wall (like the bar on bottom) so I can built in wall/shelf or storage/decor shelves.

Did you run 12/2 for outlets or 14/2? 20A or 15A outlets?

I was thinking walkin shower of 5x5 with 4x4 draintub and 1ft sit bench. wife thinks we should get a tub with jet. With 5ft-6ft x 8ft-10ft, bathroom could be big, but I still think 5x7 may be better. Not sure if those choices could make any difference

I made another thread on rim joist insulation, still undecided of I have to do or not as I will always have one 3" flex pipe running to utility room and one running directly to hvac intake. Builder said thats new code and u have to keep that even if you finish.

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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2024, 05:03:15 AM »
Now I feel better on HT as wife thought it might be small, to me it would be logical to move section for adult and one big half for kids and other. Also easy to put in speakers n stuff. 11' wide *is* on the small end for a home theater.  It's still very usable.  When planning the layout, include the furniture!  You can even go a step further, and lay down tape on the floor, so you can walk around and test the functionality of the layout.

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Thanks, I was thinking on making little big room utility space. Might be a good spot for storage. I have two 16" free standing shelves. May be i will use them instead of fixing with 2x4 shelve. I dont know if I can store anything meaningful under stair case though. Thats the only wasted space.Built-in shelves can be nice and sturdy, and look great, but freestanding shelves will work just fine.  You can always build in permanent shelving later.

Also was thinking if I should frame using 2x6 on some of those small wall (like the bar on bottom) so I can built in wall/shelf or storage/decor shelves. I thought about doing something similar on my build (it uses space more efficiently!), but unless you're really, really tight on space, it's not worth the extra labor.

Did you run 12/2 for outlets or 14/2? 20A or 15A outlets? 15A circuits, with 14 AWG wire, except for the workshop and bathroom.  It's not worth the extra expense elsewhere--nothing uses that much current.

I was thinking walkin shower of 5x5 with 4x4 draintub and 1ft sit bench. wife thinks we should get a tub with jet. With 5ft-6ft x 8ft-10ft, bathroom could be big, but I still think 5x7 may be better. Not sure if those choices could make any difference Unless this will be only the 2nd bathroom in your house, go simple.  A jetted (or any other kind of) tub won't get used as often as you think.  I made our basement bathroom a few inches wider than the minimum (5'5", if I recall), and it's noticeably more roomy-feeling. And the 36x36 shower is fine for guests and teenagers.

I made another thread on rim joist insulation, still undecided of I have to do or not as I will always have one 3" flex pipe running to utility room and one running directly to hvac intake. Builder said thats new code and u have to keep that even if you finish.You've received some very good advice on the other thread, so I've got nothing to add :D
I've taken the liberty of marking up your layout with a couple of tweaked options.  The first is what I was attempting to describe earlier, and simply bumps out the utility room and adds the office/gym space.  The second takes it a step further, but replacing the tub with a shower and shortening the bathroom.  This has a couple of benefits: it allows you to run the plumbing for the bathroom on interior walls (so you'll have access to it from the utility room later if needed), and it opens up a whole bunch more storage space in the utility room.

Speaking of plumbing, you'll want shutoff valves on the hot and cold water lines to the basement bathroom, so that if you need to work on something, you don't have to shut down (and drain) the plumbing for the whole rest of the house.  It's a very small expense compared to the future benefit.

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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2024, 05:30:42 PM »
Now I feel better on HT as wife thought it might be small, to me it would be logical to move section for adult and one big half for kids and other. Also easy to put in speakers n stuff. 11' wide *is* on the small end for a home theater.  It's still very usable.  When planning the layout, include the furniture!  You can even go a step further, and lay down tape on the floor, so you can walk around and test the functionality of the layout.

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Thanks, I was thinking on making little big room utility space. Might be a good spot for storage. I have two 16" free standing shelves. May be i will use them instead of fixing with 2x4 shelve. I dont know if I can store anything meaningful under stair case though. Thats the only wasted space.Built-in shelves can be nice and sturdy, and look great, but freestanding shelves will work just fine.  You can always build in permanent shelving later.

Also was thinking if I should frame using 2x6 on some of those small wall (like the bar on bottom) so I can built in wall/shelf or storage/decor shelves. I thought about doing something similar on my build (it uses space more efficiently!), but unless you're really, really tight on space, it's not worth the extra labor.

Did you run 12/2 for outlets or 14/2? 20A or 15A outlets? 15A circuits, with 14 AWG wire, except for the workshop and bathroom.  It's not worth the extra expense elsewhere--nothing uses that much current.

I was thinking walkin shower of 5x5 with 4x4 draintub and 1ft sit bench. wife thinks we should get a tub with jet. With 5ft-6ft x 8ft-10ft, bathroom could be big, but I still think 5x7 may be better. Not sure if those choices could make any difference Unless this will be only the 2nd bathroom in your house, go simple.  A jetted (or any other kind of) tub won't get used as often as you think.  I made our basement bathroom a few inches wider than the minimum (5'5", if I recall), and it's noticeably more roomy-feeling. And the 36x36 shower is fine for guests and teenagers.

I made another thread on rim joist insulation, still undecided of I have to do or not as I will always have one 3" flex pipe running to utility room and one running directly to hvac intake. Builder said thats new code and u have to keep that even if you finish.You've received some very good advice on the other thread, so I've got nothing to add :D
I've taken the liberty of marking up your layout with a couple of tweaked options.  The first is what I was attempting to describe earlier, and simply bumps out the utility room and adds the office/gym space.  The second takes it a step further, but replacing the tub with a shower and shortening the bathroom.  This has a couple of benefits: it allows you to run the plumbing for the bathroom on interior walls (so you'll have access to it from the utility room later if needed), and it opens up a whole bunch more storage space in the utility room.

Speaking of plumbing, you'll want shutoff valves on the hot and cold water lines to the basement bathroom, so that if you need to work on something, you don't have to shut down (and drain) the plumbing for the whole rest of the house.  It's a very small expense compared to the future benefit.

Thanks, the tape idea is clever. We used couple half drywall to foresee how it would look. Wife said it is easy to visualize.

The bathroom location is chosen there since the rough in plumbing is already provided by the builder. I planned to get the shower plumbing from utility room for access. The vanity and toilet are on that side due to the rough in. If i had to move, i need to break the concrete and patch.

 I will definitely keep the shut off valves, its a great suggestion.

The inbuilt shelf is something i thought, so I dont need to carpentry trials later, mostly on the bottom wall (where i planned for bar) and wall on top near the bathroom side (decor, bookself/fishtank)  and the left side where the egress window is present (here thought of keeping it for book shelf, simple fold down inbuilt workstation). after you say that, it might be easy to buy and slap in a closet :) I am just new to whole home ownership (only 2 years) and i got to say i got force started on knowing things faster than i need due to my old house. Its good, only good from series of events happens.

Wife think we should electrical for outlet if incase we bring electrical stove (i see very slim chances for us to need a kitchen down). Probably need to get the outlets on the ceiling for projector. Otherthan that, any electrical outlet tips i am missing out? I am not sure if i need some usb access, if we go with any fancy usb lights.




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Re: Basement questions
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2024, 08:49:43 AM »
Yes, breaking up the concrete to reroute the plumbing is extra work.  I used a circular saw with a diamond blade to cut where I wanted to run pipe (slow going, keep a flow of water going!), then an 8lb sledge to break up the concrete that needed removing.  After the pipe was installed, patching the concrete was easy--there was a level floor on either side of the trench, so it was simple to screed with a short 2x4.  It's additional effort, but in the context of the whole project, it's not that much, and if it's what you're needing, future Trying2bFrugal will thank present-day T2BF for putting in the effort.

For electrical, install plenty of outlets!  Code requirement (for me) is that you always need to be within 6 feet of an outlet (so minimum 12' spacing on a long wall), but I put them every 8'.  I put quad outlets in the workshop a few inches above counter height, as well as an outlet in the middle of the ceiling over the workbench.  Think about how people will enter, leave, and use a room when you place the light switches.  Think about how furniture will be arranged, where lamps might be, where a table or a projector or a microwave or mini fridge will be, and put outlets there.  If DW wants a 220V circuit run so that a stove can be installed later, it's a pretty minor bit of effort and expense to do so.*  It looks like you're planning for a wet bar near the home theater.  Some under-cabinet lights, or a single recessed fixture over that sink, would allow someone to use it without washing out the projector image.  Where will your A/V receiver/DVD player/etc live?  How will you route wires to the speakers and projector?

I have a few general suggestions to give when planning this build:
1) Focus your attention/time/money on the things that you won't see, or can't change, after the project is done.  Layout, plumbing, electrical, structure, insulation.  Don't get bogged down on things that can be easily changed down the road, like paint or furniture or cabinets.
2) Be willing to spend time/money/effort to get things done right.  I'm glad I spent money to insulate our basement bedroom.  I wish I had spent a bit more money to insulate the exterior walls even better.  I'm glad I took the time to get the layout just right. I wish I had put in a light in the closet under the stairs.  I'm glad I hand-picked all the lumber to get straight boards, and that I replaced the window with a model that has a large opening (that's how the carpet got into the basement!).  I wish I had given more thought to how the A/V setup would work (right now, there's wires crossing the room in a few places).  I wish I had sprung for a higher-quality bathroom fan.  I'm glad I used 36" doors to the utility room and workshop, and the 28" doors I used for the bedroom and bathroom are just fine, but wish I had sprung for nicer (solid core) doors. I'm glad I took the time to get the framing very straight (even got a compliment from a drywall guy!).
3) Outsource the drywall work.  I spent about $3100 for labor and materials, and it was worth it 100%.  That team of 5 had the entire basement hung in 3.5 hours, and the two-man team that stayed had the whole thing taped and mudded by the end of the day.  One guy came back for two evenings the following week to sand it.  That makes it...roughly 40 man-hours of work for them to do it.  It would have taken me several weeks to accomplish the same work, and I would have done a worse job than they did.
4) Budget for tools.  Yes, they increase the budget, but they will also decrease the time you spend.  The Paslode framing nailer I bought for $40 saved me many, many hours of hand-nailing framing.  And you can sell tools afterward to recoup some of the cost, if you never expect to use them again.

* Watch out for code requirements here--I have a vague impression that if you have a cooktop, you also have to have an additional exit from the basement besides the stairs.  You'll have to inquire at your local building department about this, and may moot the whole question.

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Re: Basement questions
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2024, 09:23:33 AM »
Black ceilings sound like a bad idea in a room with low ceiling height, especially in a basement.  It looks good in restaurants with high industrial type ceilings but I wouldn’t use black in most homes. It can look dramatic with high ceilings, but that’s not what you have in your basement. 

 

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