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Backpacks for hiking
« on: November 05, 2017, 04:30:30 PM »
We enjoy hiking, and we each have an ooooooold backpack -- mine is literally the same one that once toted my college textbooks.  I graduated in the late 80s. 

Hiking is one of our favorite pass times, and I'm thinking of getting us each a really nice day pack as a Christmas gift ... but in looking at them online, I'm coming up with questions.  I'd appreciate any advice on the following topics.  I don't mind if these packs are a little expensive ... as long as they function really well and last like the one I'm still using! 

- We are day hikers ... at most we'd need packs that would hold water and food ... a jacket or extra pair of pants ... and a few standard items such as keys, phone, compass and map, first aid kit, etc.  Maybe a blanket so we can hang out a while at the top of a great view.  Our comfort level is returning home or to a campsite (and a shower) at the end of the day.  I say this to emphasize the size of pack we need ... bigger than those narrow little cycling packs that just hold water, but not an overnight pack. 

- Hydration packs look pretty cool.  Are all the bladders equal in terms of function?  Are they really better than plain old bottles?  Not a question, but I find it odd that one $80 pack comes with the bladder included ... but the $100 pack from the same maker doesn't include the bladder.  I understand the bladder has a limited lifespan and will need replacing?

- We don't use trekking poles now, but I can see that as we grow older, we might want them.  I am ridiculously drawn to the little attachments on the outside of a pack that allow you to "clip on" your trekking poles when you're not using them.  Is this really useful, or could the trekking poles just as easily "fold down" and go inside the main pocket? 

- I'm attracted to the grab-it pockets for phones and snacks that are easy to grab without taking off the pack.  Useful or not?  Right now we carry each other's items and can access our own items without taking off the pack; it just requires cooperation. 

- I'm also attracted to the pockets with no-scratch lining for a table, phone or eyeglasses.  I think they'd be useful.

- Is there a name brand that is better than others?  I've been looking at Osprey packs, but I'm not really up-to-date with brands. 

- Anything else anyone knows about day packs for hiking?

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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2017, 05:07:02 PM »

Most of your specific questions are about things that don't really matter in a good pack - all else being equal, the extra doodads are nice, but much more important is to get a pack that fits well, isn't terribly heavy, and is durable.

Osprey packs are great - for me, anyway, they tend to be all 3 of those things. I would note that their "hydration packs" in general seem to be not-as-well designed as their "normal" packs, so I definitely wouldn't buy one simply to get an included bladder. I'm not aware of any Osprey pack that doesn't include a pocket for a bladder anyway.


Ultimately, though, your best bet is to go to an REI or similar with everything you're likely to bring along, stuff it in a few, and wear each one around for 20-30 minutes to see what feels best.

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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2017, 07:11:14 PM »
The Osprey Daylite is a great pack and only about $50: http://amzn.to/2zhoR9P

My wife has it and really likes the fit and weight of it.  The best part is the mesh back panel which helps prevent your back from getting all hot and sweaty during the hike.  It does have a pocket for a hydration bladder if you choose to use one, though we normally just put bottles in the stretchy side pockets.

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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2017, 08:27:41 PM »
For as little weight that you're carrying, fit isn't a huge concern either.

I'd go with an REI Flash 22 (normally $50, wait for one of their sales). I personally would never use a hydration bladder because I want to see how much water I've drank and have left. As such I would always get a pack with side mesh pockets for bottles. Is that what you mean by a grab-it pocket? Or perhaps hip belt pockets? The latter can be nice for small things. I carry my compass, soap, knife, chapstick and camera in the belt pockets.

Poles are very useful for rocky or uneven trails and stream crossings. Some times when scrambling on steep talus, I'll attach them to my pack, but I often carry them in my hand farthest from the hillside. The only time I've carried them inside was when flying (and I was surprised they let me do so).

As a backpacker, I've never heard of no-scratch lining in pockets. Frankly, if your glass is so fragile that it could be scratched by the pocket cloth (typically nylon or polyester), I wouldn't be bringing it on a hike.

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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2017, 08:36:51 PM »
- We are day hikers ... at most we'd need packs that would hold water and food ... a jacket or extra pair of pants ... and a few standard items such as keys, phone, compass and map, first aid kit, etc.  Maybe a blanket so we can hang out a while at the top of a great view.  Our comfort level is returning home or to a campsite (and a shower) at the end of the day.  I say this to emphasize the size of pack we need ... bigger than those narrow little cycling packs that just hold water, but not an overnight pack. 
It sounds like you want a basic non-framed pack.  Since you pack light but sometimes want more space, I would recommend getting one with external straps that since the whole bag down.  These are useful for when you have a small load, since it will keep all of the weight close to your back.  When you need to store bulky items, loosen the straps.


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- Hydration packs look pretty cool.  Are all the bladders equal in terms of function?  Are they really better than plain old bottles?  Not a question, but I find it odd that one $80 pack comes with the bladder included ... but the $100 pack from the same maker doesn't include the bladder.  I understand the bladder has a limited lifespan and will need replacing?
The bladder's are fine, but not necessary.  They are great for taking a drink without stopping to take out your water bottle, or if you carry your water bottle then you can have your hands free.  I also like them because the water can be the heaviest part of my pack, and the bladder keeps it right next to my back which reduces strain.  The water tends to keep a good temperature longer because it's insulated by your back, versus an external water bottle which will heat up fast.  They will eventually leak and/or break which is a pain in the ass, but last a long time in my experience.  They come in different sizes, so make sure you get one that will fit your pack.  I like the 2 liter size for day hikes.  You can use them to sneak wine or booze in to places you're not supposed to drink, just get one with an insulated tube so you can't see through it, clean it well after, and probably don't use it for water anymore.


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- We don't use trekking poles now, but I can see that as we grow older, we might want them.  I am ridiculously drawn to the little attachments on the outside of a pack that allow you to "clip on" your trekking poles when you're not using them.  Is this really useful, or could the trekking poles just as easily "fold down" and go inside the main pocket? 
I don't use them, but everyone I have talked to who does, says they are great.  Just taking 5-15lbs of weight off your legs makes a big difference, apparently.  Some poles have very sharp points, which would not be good to have loose in your pack.  The whole point of having them is that they stay in your hands, but if you needed to stow I'm not familiar with specialty attachments for poles.


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- I'm attracted to the grab-it pockets for phones and snacks that are easy to grab without taking off the pack.  Useful or not?  Right now we carry each other's items and can access our own items without taking off the pack; it just requires cooperation.
Are you talking about the little mesh pockets on the side?  They are incredibly useful, I wouldn't want to go without them.  I usually keep an extra water bottle in one, and some food in the other.  I can reach back and grab from either pocket without breaking a stride.  My pack also has a strap about 6" over the top of each of the mesh pockets and if I put a fishing pole, firearm, or small camp chair in the mesh pocket, I can use that strap to secure it.

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- I'm also attracted to the pockets with no-scratch lining for a table, phone or eyeglasses.  I think they'd be useful.
I keep sunglasses in mine.  It doesn't work well though, it's located on the top of the pack so I have to take the whole thing off to get inside it.  I always end up grabbing a pair of sunglasses from the car, and the inaccessible ones on the specialty pocket are backups.  I put my phone in the Mesh pocket if I'm listening to something, so that I can easily grab it to pause, change volume, etc.


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- Anything else anyone knows about day packs for hiking?
It's really nice to have separate compartments.  Mine has a main compartment with 2x mesh bottle holders on the inside which is extremely useful, I store snacks in one and emergency supplies in the other.. so that they don't get lost at the bottom of my pack.  That compartment is large enough to stuff a big coat in.  Then there's a second, much smaller compartment on the back, which I use for keys, phone, medications, etc. as needed.  It's the size of a woman's clutch, approximately.  In between them is a gap, which is external, and has mesh on both sides.  This is a huge bonus because I can put wet or sweaty clothing in it without contaminating the rest of my pack.  It's also great for empty food containers or any sort of litter I pick up, again because it's segregated from the rest of the gear.  I also have two large bonus side pockets, each large enough to pack a big first aid kit and space blanket, hammock, camp stove and water filter, etc.


I used to use a pack that was primarily one large pocket, but in practice I kept loading and unloading all of my gear just to get one thing out.  I tried to pack smart, but then sometimes after I took my coat off I wanted to wear my light gloves and BAM now I'm pulling out all my cold weather gear to find the gloves.  Having multiple functional pockets has been a huge bonus for me and is something I would definitely look for in a new pack.  A hip strap is key, even if you are comfortable without one, you will notice a difference.  Waterproof or water resistant depending on climate, or look at pack covers.


There's nothing hidden about the quality of a pack, so don't shy away from used.  If the zippers work, the straps work, and the fabric is in good shape, it's probably a fine pack.  After all yours has lasted many decades, a 2 year old pack could easily last several more decades.

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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2017, 09:20:38 PM »
Yeah, fit matters most (though my experience is with larger, 45L+packs for multiday hikes). At day-pack size, you have a little more leeway, but I had to return a pack because fit was bad. Do research on your own, and then go to REI or some other place to try on packs. I had an epiphany when the second time I went in, a woman with a similar body type helped me find one. She knew how to explain how it should feel and where it should sit. I love the pack she helped me find. It's an REI pack, and much smaller than the Osprey I was initially fitted with. The Osprey had a lot more features, including a clip-off day pack and an exterior access bladder pouch. They were really useful on our first trip, but in the end, the fit was unbearable. The REI pack has fewer features, but walking with it is much more enjoyable.

Trekking poles are a must for heavy loads or difficult terrain. Less necessary for easy hikes and light loads.

A popular pack that a lot of people raved about on the Appalachian trail for section hiking was the Osprey Exos. Also ran into a lot of people that didn't use a bladder, just bottles. I mean, we also ran into an ultralight hiker whose rain gear was a literal umbrella and his trail mix was jelly beans, so YMMV.

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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2017, 12:03:18 AM »
My backpack has a rain cover built into the base. I didn't think I needed it, but I really like it now that I have it. It also has a very small pocket on the hip strap (I always use a hip strap even on tiny bags because of my back), which is perfect for some cash, hand gel and tissues.

For the side pockets, check that they actually have space for the bottle. Some of the newer ones don't actually add to the carrying capacity, they are so small that you need to pack the bottle in first, pack the bag afterwards (otherwise the packing with encroach into the pocket), and then curse every time you put the bottle back in.

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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2017, 02:16:43 AM »
I do long dayhikes a lot, and prefer small internal frame packs, bladders, trail running shoes, and no poles. My hiking buddy is the opposite: non framed pack, bottles, traditional boots, and one trekking pole for him. Everyone is different on their gear. Any of the decent brands should be fine, try a bunch on to get a feel. I personally didn't like the way osprey's fit me, my current pack is a Gregory or a Deuter, depending on which I grab.

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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2017, 09:41:59 AM »
I do a lot of hiking and backpacking, and have for decades.  I think it is difficult to give many solid answers because people vary so much in their preferences and needs.

But...Here are some opinions, FWIW.

I would warn you to be careful of packs with too many 'features' or do-dads...like have straps with clips that cross zippers you want to use, so that you have to unclip the straps to use the zipper (or to use it easily).  I have always wanted to like Osprey packs, but I find them to be one of the worst offenders in making their packs way too busy, and having 'features' that detract fro the packs real world functionality.  Some people love their packs, and I have one now, but as recommended above...do some thoughtful test-driving in an REI or places like it.

The Osprey pack I do have I got because it has a trampoline-like section the provides the best ventilation I have found for your back...this is my mountainbiking hydration pack, and I get really soaked with sweat with most other packs.  I find they don't ride as closely or with the same stability as non-frame packs...a trade-off. So ventilation on the back (and the shoulder straps) is something to consider.

I think hydration bladders are much more important for biking, or for folks to tend to do speed packing with poles and want something quick and relatively hands-free.  On a hike, I think stopping and getting a bottle out for a drink is no big deal, and would rather not have the extra hassle of filling and cleaning a bladder in that situation.  (Another ding against Osprey is the idiotic magnet for the hydration tube on my pack, which you have to clip or unclip every time you clip/unclip the sternum strap).

I think have some division of space and extra pockets are a good thing.  And while some of the open top stretch pockets can be nice, esp. for something that fits really well and securely in them and that your take in and out fairly often (like water bottles, dog leashes/poo bags).  But of course the open tops can lead to gear going missing when the pack gets set down a number of times on a hike, or thrown in the car, or bushwhacking - so zippers can be best.

I also don't think you need a special lining for a pocket to hold glasses and/or a phone.  The stuff that will cause scratches will be the other stuff you might put in the same pocket...keys being the primary hazard.

Have fun shopping, and hiking!

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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2017, 07:05:15 PM »
So much information here! 

- Yes, I guess I'm not looking for anything super-special here, but if I'm going to spend more than $100 on a couple packs, I feel the need to research the details.
- I'm amazed at how little these packs weigh.
- Yeah, I know I should go to REI, but it's pretty far away for me, and I'm trying to form some opinions before I make that drive.  Oh, wait ... how'd I forget Bass Pro?  Their selection isn't as good, but they're closer.
- Yes, I'm looking forward to the mesh backing.  They all seem to have this. 
- I had not considered that the amount of water remaining in a hydration bladder would be a mystery.  That seems like a rather big deal.
- I am dependent on eyeglasses, and I usually have my regular glasses PLUS my prescription eyeglasses with me.  I was thinking that skipping the glasses case would save a bit of weight ... those I need to see whether those pockets provide any protection against breakage.  I also like to carry my camera and my phone. 
- External straps to hold the load secure /close to my back sound good.
- Similarly, I like the idea of carrying water, the heaviest part of the load, close against my back.  Sounds like basic physics. 
- Yeah, I've been looking at used packs on ebay.  I have no quibble with "gently used" items. 
- I will take a look at the REI brand packs and the Osprey Exos.
- I saw the raincoat feature and thought, "We'd probably just stay home", but since you like it, I'll be sure to look at it.
- Will someone explain this magnetic feature on the hydration bladder?  Does everyone use this, or just Osprey?

Thanks for the information, All.  I'm open to hearing more.

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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2017, 07:21:53 PM »
I love Osprey packs. They are super well designed and even have a lifetime no-questions-asked warranty. The Talon 33 is my everyday (literally) commuter, trail runner, day/overnight hiker, fastpacker, travel bag. It's actually my 2nd one - the first I used every single day for 10 years until it eventually all the buckles wore out and the zips broke, and I threw it away when I moved countries. I didn't know about the warranty, apparently Osprey would have fixed it up for free or replaced it, even after that much use/neglect! Needless to say I was quick to buy another. Top quality.

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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2017, 07:33:33 PM »
+1 to trying things on. I was shopping for a backpacking pack a few years ago, and even just in the store with a couple sandbags, everything but the Ospry pack was massively uncomfortable for me. But different people have different bodies, so a different brand might be better for you. If you aren't close enough to do it in person, make sure you get things you can return!

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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2017, 07:37:34 PM »
I'm curious what brand your original college backpack is  My college backpack (graduation in mid 1990s) is toast, and I might be envious of yours.  I'm happy to add my two cents.

Two years ago, I purchased Osprey Skarab/Skimmer for DH, me, and DS on REI Garage site.  All three have multiple compartments, which is very helpful in packing an extra layer of clothing, maps and compass, plus snacks.  I find that 2.5 liters of water doesn't go as long as it should in the desert Southwest where we live.  The water bladder, however, distributes weight very well, and I find it much more comfortable than water bottles we used to carry in the main compartment of the old backpacks.  On the other hand, the water does taste a bit plasticky for the first few uses and drying the bladder can be a bit of pain in the rear end.

DH has poles and loves them.  I find them to be a bit of distraction - I guess it really boils down to personal preference.

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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2017, 07:53:35 PM »
- Yeah, I know I should go to REI, but it's pretty far away for me, and I'm trying to form some opinions before I make that drive.  Oh, wait ... how'd I forget Bass Pro?  Their selection isn't as good, but they're closer.
I'd be a little bit cautious here. From a quick glance at their website, it looks like most of the "daypacks" Bass Pro sells are really more of what I'd call a "book bag" - they're designed for big bulky things rather than for carrying things that squish (like most of what you'll carry on a hike) most efficiently. Can't hurt to look, though. Depending on where you are, there are often independent stores or smaller local chains around as well that will have some other options. Although I believe fit matters most, I've also bought a pack online before; I was just prepared to send it back if it wasn't what I wanted (and it was a brand I was already familiar with the sizing and fit of)

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- I had not considered that the amount of water remaining in a hydration bladder would be a mystery.  That seems like a rather big deal.
If you hike enough, you'll find you can measure this remarkably well based on a combination of the weight on your back and the resistance you feel while sipping from the bladder's hose.

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- Similarly, I like the idea of carrying water, the heaviest part of the load, close against my back.  Sounds like basic physics. 
Definitely the best part of a bladder.

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- Will someone explain this magnetic feature on the hydration bladder?  Does everyone use this, or just Osprey?
It's a newer Osprey-only feature, and they seem to charge extra for the magnetic doodad. It sounds like a great idea, and I've been tempted to get one when my current bladder wears out or molds, but it could definitely be a gimmick.

A couple of folks mentioned fit not mattering as much on a day hike with less weight. I'd agree to a point, and making do with the imperfect pack you have is definitely better than avoiding a hike due to no perfect pack, but if you're the way to buy a new pack specifically for this, it's worth considering as a primary factor. It'd be a shame to spend a chunk of change on something that holds up for years but never feels great on your back.

Speaking of fit - it'd be hard to find a pack of the size it sounds like you're considering without it, but a good waist belt is indispensable. Makes the difference between a pack feeling comfortable at first and your shoulders hurting by the end of the day and one you forget is on your back by the end of the day.
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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2017, 11:27:42 PM »
- I saw the raincoat feature and thought, "We'd probably just stay home", but since you like it, I'll be sure to look at it.

It's great when the rain starts suddenly. I dislike getting home (or to the car) with a damp bag that then gets everything else wet and sometimes starts to smell. Also, you know when you look around for somewhere to put your bag but the ground is wet or looks possibly-shitty? Rain cover thing sorts it.

These may or may not be a benefit to you.

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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2017, 08:42:17 AM »

- Yes, I'm looking forward to the mesh backing.  They all seem to have this. 


I was talking about something different...not just mesh, but a single sheet of mesh suspended away from the body of the pack.  Osprey calls this their "Airspeed Suspension"

It looks like it is on their Exos and Stratos models (I would think the Stratos 24 would be big enough for what you are talking about, or the Exos 38 at most)

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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2017, 01:40:42 PM »
I'll offer my $.02 on a few of the items that were mentioned in the original post...

I really enjoy using a bladder over bottles.  It's great to be able to sip the water without stopping.  For backpacking (vs hiking) I'll bring both the bladder plus a small amount of water in a bottle just in case my bladder runs dry.  This may or may not be an issue depending on how long your hikes are, and what kind of terrain you're hiking through.

I'm a proponent of hiking poles for all kinds of reasons.  My day pack (a small 6L MEC pack) does not have hiking pole loops and it is a big pain to try and lash them when scrambling.  One trip I ended up just stashing the poles in the woods and coming back for them later.  If you expect to use poles, I would look for a backpack with the attachments. 

REI is now selling used gear, and the Flash 22 is one of the packs available (as of yesterday).  https://www.rei.com/used/shop/gear

If you haven't already come across it in your research, check out www.sectionhiker.com.  Phillip does a great job of highlighting the pros/cons of a number of different packs. 

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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2017, 03:36:40 PM »
I have an Osprey Talon 22L pack that I really enjoy for dayhiking - I bought it in 2013 or 2014, and it looks like the design has changed since then, so I can't comment on the current model.  I have what I think was the women's-sized version.  It has held up really well so far, I take it on several hiking-intensive trips a year.  Unfortunately, the stores around me have very poor selections of outdoor equipment (especially for women), and I have to order online and hope for the best - I have used www.outdoorgearlab.com pretty extensively in the past to help decide what to order, and really trust their reviews.

I'll also note that when I loaded this pack up with hand weights to help me train for a hike, it felt REALLY weird (so weird I took them out and didn't bother), so I would do any fit testing with larger sized items that more resemble what you'll actually be carrying.

The features it has that I really like:
 - Padded hip belt - this was really a must when I upgraded from a school backpack to a true hiking pack.
 - Pockets on the hip belt - mine are not large enough for a phone, but I keep snacks in one and chapstick, hand sanitizer, and some emergency stuff in the other.
 - Side pockets for waterbottles - they can be tricky to reach while walking, but not impossible.
 - A stretchy pocket (no zip) on the back.  This is where I keep my glasses case with either glasses or sunglasses, sunblock, and bug spray - for easy access without digging through everything.  It's also where I stash my outer layer when it gets too warm, especially if I think I'll want it when I take a break.
 - Water bladder pocket.

Otherwise, the interior space is one large pocket, with a smaller pocket on top (where I keep my car keys, phone, and wallet).  I like this setup.

My pack didn't come with a bladder, but I ordered one separately.  I started out by just refilling plastic water bottles while I hiked, which worked well enough, but I thought I would benefit from easier access to water.  Even with bottles in accessible side pockets, I still went long stretches without drinking.  I went with a Geigerrig 3L - solely for the fact that you can turn it inside out and plop it in the dishwasher to clean it.  I'm REALLY bad at cleaning, and figured that with a typical Camelbak-type bladder, I might have to replace it after I let it get too far gone, or spend more on expensive cleaning products.  I went with the largest size because why not?  I like the flexibility to carry a little or a lot of water.  The only downside of the bladders, as noted, is that you can't tell how much water you have left.  I think they do sell flow meters that measure how much water you have used, but I haven't been tempted to buy one.

I do use hiking poles for longer hikes.  I like them for downhill hiking to save my knees, and more stability during things like stream crossings.  My pack supposedly has a "stow-and-go" system for stashing poles while hiking, but I have not figured out how to actually make it work!  Luckily, I haven't had any instances where I really wanted to do so.  Most recently, I did store the poles (collapsed) in an empty side pocket (there were enough straps to hold them well in this position) for the uphill portion of a hike when my hands would be needed, and only pulled them out when heading downhill afterwards when my legs were shot.

I don't have a raincover.  What I do have is a ridiculously large rain jacket I purchased 14 years ago when I weighed a lot more - that happens to cover my pack when I put it on.  I know it looks ridiculous, but I really don't want to purchase a new jacket.  I usually haul this somewhat-heavy rain gear for all my hikes, just in case.  It's also useful as a wind-block, and another layer if there's a sudden temp drop.  But I recently purchased a $1 emergency poncho for a hike where weight mattered, and that might replace the rain jacket on a lot of future hikes.

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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2017, 06:35:24 PM »
I love Osprey packs. They are super well designed and even have a lifetime no-questions-asked warranty. The Talon 33 is my everyday (literally) commuter, trail runner, day/overnight hiker, fastpacker, travel bag. It's actually my 2nd one - the first I used every single day for 10 years until it eventually all the buckles wore out and the zips broke, and I threw it away when I moved countries. I didn't know about the warranty, apparently Osprey would have fixed it up for free or replaced it, even after that much use/neglect! Needless to say I was quick to buy another. Top quality.
I worked for an upscale camping store when I was in college (at that point I would've known all the details about the best packs, and I could impress customers with how quickly I could slap a tent up right in the middle of the store).  Anyway, one of my jobs was sending back broken /worn out packs -- the top companies really do replace them -- assuming the problem is seams or zippers.  Rips in the fabric, etc. -- you're on your own. 

Actually, my old pack would still be under its lifetime warranty, but I just don't have the heart to ask for money back on a pack I've owned for over 30 years -- over half my life. 

I'm curious what brand your original college backpack is  My college backpack (graduation in mid 1990s) is toast, and I might be envious of yours.  I'm happy to add my two cents.
LL Bean.  It's their original BookPack.  It was ideal for college and the years I worked as a summer camp counselor.  Later I used it when I needed an oversized diaper bag (the straps are perfect for draping over the handles of a stroller.  And hiking, lots of hiking ... but it's worn out, and I think I can have something tailored better to hiking.


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Re: Backpacks for hiking
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2017, 06:58:28 PM »
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