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Re: Advice on successfully dating a single mom?
« Reply #250 on: June 27, 2024, 04:58:18 PM »
Prior to this happening, my GF and I communicated (text or phone) several times a day, with her initiating 99% of it. Since things changed a few weeks ago, she almost never initiates communication with me but she always responds if I contact her. We've also had a couple arguments over the past week. This massive change in our relationship is causing me lots of stress and anxiety. Feels like I've lost my GF and feels like she's a stranger. Everything is different now and not in a good way 😢

Yep. Everything is different now. Her entire life is different now, she's not the same person. She's now a woman who has lost custody of her children to an abusive man.

Imagine she was diagnosed with cancer, how different she would be, how different your relationship dynamic would be.

Well, this is worse than that.

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Re: Advice on successfully dating a single mom?
« Reply #251 on: June 27, 2024, 05:00:50 PM »
Prior to this happening, my GF and I communicated (text or phone) several times a day, with her initiating 99% of it. Since things changed a few weeks ago, she almost never initiates communication with me but she always responds if I contact her. We've also had a couple arguments over the past week. This massive change in our relationship is causing me lots of stress and anxiety. Feels like I've lost my GF and feels like she's a stranger. Everything is different now and not in a good way 😢

You need to talk to your therapist about that.
The fact that she is responding means she values you despite all the crap she has going on in her life.

To expect yourself to be the highest priority in her life would be irrational.

What are you arguing about? Hopefully not her not initiating conversation
I don't expect to be her highest priority. We argued about various things...our relationship is not in a good state right now which is causing me lots of anxiety. At time I've been supportive for her and at other times I have not and I apologized to her for that.  I know her situation is much worse though.

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Re: Advice on successfully dating a single mom?
« Reply #252 on: June 27, 2024, 05:06:13 PM »
Prior to this happening, my GF and I communicated (text or phone) several times a day, with her initiating 99% of it. Since things changed a few weeks ago, she almost never initiates communication with me but she always responds if I contact her. We've also had a couple arguments over the past week. This massive change in our relationship is causing me lots of stress and anxiety. Feels like I've lost my GF and feels like she's a stranger. Everything is different now and not in a good way 😢

You are not her priority.

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Re: Advice on successfully dating a single mom?
« Reply #253 on: June 27, 2024, 05:26:44 PM »
Prior to this happening, my GF and I communicated (text or phone) several times a day, with her initiating 99% of it. Since things changed a few weeks ago, she almost never initiates communication with me but she always responds if I contact her. We've also had a couple arguments over the past week. This massive change in our relationship is causing me lots of stress and anxiety. Feels like I've lost my GF and feels like she's a stranger. Everything is different now and not in a good way 😢

Yep. Everything is different now. Her entire life is different now, she's not the same person. She's now a woman who has lost custody of her children to an abusive man.

Imagine she was diagnosed with cancer, how different she would be, how different your relationship dynamic would be.

Well, this is worse than that.
Thanks. And Wow. That really helps put things into perspective. Still feels like I'm losing/lost my GF 😢

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Re: Advice on successfully dating a single mom?
« Reply #254 on: June 27, 2024, 05:53:03 PM »
If you think this is going to blow over in a few months and you can go back to the way things were, think again. That's very unlikely. In a few months, she will likely still be in the middle of the custody battle.  And that doesn't even account for the time she will need to mourn losing time with her kids, especially if she doesn't get custody back.  This isn't a broken arm that's going to heal in a couple of months and be back to normal a few weeks after that. 


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Re: Advice on successfully dating a single mom?
« Reply #255 on: June 27, 2024, 06:00:11 PM »
Is it possible she's just as bad as you at ending relationships and her lack of initiating communication may simply be her way of not engaging in the relationship while she has this monumental custody issue going on?  Truth be told, it may just be that she doesn't feel she can be in a relationship right now as her priority must be her children.  Her priority should always be her children, but this situation just further reinforces that for her.

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Re: Advice on successfully dating a single mom?
« Reply #256 on: June 27, 2024, 06:05:26 PM »
Sorry that it feels like you are losing your girlfriend.

I don't have any particular advice to give today - but just wanted to offer my sympathy. :)

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Re: Advice on successfully dating a single mom?
« Reply #257 on: June 27, 2024, 06:05:37 PM »
Is it possible she's just as bad as you at ending relationships and her lack of initiating communication may simply be her way of not engaging in the relationship while she has this monumental custody issue going on?  Truth be told, it may just be that she doesn't feel she can be in a relationship right now as her priority must be her children.  Her priority should always be her children, but this situation just further reinforces that for her.
It's possible but she told me she's broken up with lots of guys in the past and that she's always the one doing the breakup, never the guy.

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Re: Advice on successfully dating a single mom?
« Reply #258 on: June 27, 2024, 06:18:01 PM »
Prior to this happening, my GF and I communicated (text or phone) several times a day, with her initiating 99% of it. Since things changed a few weeks ago, she almost never initiates communication with me but she always responds if I contact her. We've also had a couple arguments over the past week. This massive change in our relationship is causing me lots of stress and anxiety. Feels like I've lost my GF and feels like she's a stranger. Everything is different now and not in a good way 😢

Yep. Everything is different now. Her entire life is different now, she's not the same person. She's now a woman who has lost custody of her children to an abusive man.

Imagine she was diagnosed with cancer, how different she would be, how different your relationship dynamic would be.

Well, this is worse than that.
Thanks. And Wow. That really helps put things into perspective. Still feels like I'm losing/lost my GF 😢

I get that, and you have.

For a mother to lose her children, it is very much like a large part of her has died. I would not expect to ever get back the girlfriend you had, that woman does not exist as long as her kids are gone.

If you choose to stay with her, you are making a commitment to help support her as she tries to rebuild from the absolute devastation of her life. Which will not be easy and she will never be the same. It would be a commitment to be by her side and accept that she might just get worse and worse.

That's what it means to be the partner to someone who is going through hell. My spouse lost his partner when I became horribly disabled and lost my career, which was like my baby to me. He never got back the woman I used to be. But he was a spectacular support and we built a whole new life together.

But he firmly felt like I met his needs even at my worst. He wasn't holding out for when I would be a good partner again, he never once felt I wasn't a fantastic partner, even when I was bed ridden and high on opioids for months and needing his help with bathing and using the toilet. He still valued me as a partner.

It's okay if you can't be that for her. A lot of relationships never get to that level. It's okay if this is too much for you to handle and if you can't be part of the new self that she has to rebuild from the rubble of her emotional devastation.

But to sit back and just hope that she'll get back to a state where you can enjoy her again is cruel. If you can't appreciate and enjoy her as she is, in this mangled state, she's going to pick up on that and it's going to hurt her because she will feel that your love is conditional on her healing these giant festering wounds that rightfully may not ever heal for as long as she doesn't have her kids.

I will state it again. Most moms I know would much, much rather have cancer than lose custody of their children. It's THAT bad.


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Re: Advice on successfully dating a single mom?
« Reply #259 on: June 27, 2024, 06:23:20 PM »
Last few days my GF has been more distant, avoidant and much less communicative. Is that normal in a situation like this?
How would you feel if you had just lost custody of your children?

That's not something that typically happens for no reason. Someone must have convinced the authorities that the children were in jeopardy. There must be a whole lot more to the story. I'm not asking you what it is, because it's not my business, but my Spidey Sense tells me there's a lot more going on here. If you don't grok that...oh, wait.

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Re: Advice on successfully dating a single mom?
« Reply #260 on: June 27, 2024, 06:52:26 PM »
@G-String-- I have been reading this thread for months.  I think you have gotten alot of great advice here.  I've avoided throwing in my 2 cents, but I would now like to offer my perspective.

You recently stated you feel like you've lost your GF.  I think you would benefit from understanding she does not have the wherewithal to be a girlfriend at this time.  She doesn't have the capacity to give you affection, sex, nurturing and the other parts of the girlfriend relationship which makes her so attractive.  Right now, she needs more than she can give.  Relationships are never 50/50.  The needs of each partner fluctuate as life occurs.  Over a long enough horizon, this approximates 50/50 ideally, but you have a very short horizon.  Right now, she needs a FRIEND.  Someone to listen to her, comfort her, support her.  If you are able to fulfill that role, then that is great and you should stick around to support her.  If you are not able to do this or your needs outweigh what she is able to give, you will remain dissatisfied and ultimately the relationship will continue to unhealthy for both of you.

I hope this is helpful to you.  I truly wish you the best.

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Re: Advice on successfully dating a single mom?
« Reply #261 on: June 28, 2024, 04:29:26 AM »
Prior to this happening, my GF and I communicated (text or phone) several times a day, with her initiating 99% of it. Since things changed a few weeks ago, she almost never initiates communication with me but she always responds if I contact her. We've also had a couple arguments over the past week. This massive change in our relationship is causing me lots of stress and anxiety. Feels like I've lost my GF and feels like she's a stranger. Everything is different now and not in a good way 😢

Yep. Everything is different now. Her entire life is different now, she's not the same person. She's now a woman who has lost custody of her children to an abusive man.

Imagine she was diagnosed with cancer, how different she would be, how different your relationship dynamic would be.

Well, this is worse than that.
Thanks. And Wow. That really helps put things into perspective. Still feels like I'm losing/lost my GF 😢

I get that, and you have.

For a mother to lose her children, it is very much like a large part of her has died. I would not expect to ever get back the girlfriend you had, that woman does not exist as long as her kids are gone.

If you choose to stay with her, you are making a commitment to help support her as she tries to rebuild from the absolute devastation of her life. Which will not be easy and she will never be the same. It would be a commitment to be by her side and accept that she might just get worse and worse.

That's what it means to be the partner to someone who is going through hell. My spouse lost his partner when I became horribly disabled and lost my career, which was like my baby to me. He never got back the woman I used to be. But he was a spectacular support and we built a whole new life together.

But he firmly felt like I met his needs even at my worst. He wasn't holding out for when I would be a good partner again, he never once felt I wasn't a fantastic partner, even when I was bed ridden and high on opioids for months and needing his help with bathing and using the toilet. He still valued me as a partner.

It's okay if you can't be that for her. A lot of relationships never get to that level. It's okay if this is too much for you to handle and if you can't be part of the new self that she has to rebuild from the rubble of her emotional devastation.

But to sit back and just hope that she'll get back to a state where you can enjoy her again is cruel. If you can't appreciate and enjoy her as she is, in this mangled state, she's going to pick up on that and it's going to hurt her because she will feel that your love is conditional on her healing these giant festering wounds that rightfully may not ever heal for as long as she doesn't have her kids.

I will state it again. Most moms I know would much, much rather have cancer than lose custody of their children. It's THAT bad.

I just wanted to add on to Metalcat's excellent advice and really emphasize that most moms really would rather have cancer than lose their children.

This is a slightly different situation, but I was personally a victim of child abuse, and my mother definitely had issues, but she was still horribly horribly devastated when CPS removed us all from her custody.

She went down a horrible downward spiral of trying to get us back, and even did multiple illegal things in the process of trying to get us back, following social workers to our foster homes, trying to kidnap us back from our foster parents, getting thrown in jail a couple times over it all even. She hired lawyers, pleaded with judges...

She even joined an organization dedicated to parents who have lost custody of their children - VOCAL - victims of child abuse laws, and was very active in this organization for years.

Even today she has fantasies and delusions of 'getting her baby back' (my younger sister) even though it has been nearly 30 years. She still cries at night sometimes, because she lost all of her children.

Mother's who lose their children are devastated emotionally, and may be forever changed by the experience.


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Re: Advice on successfully dating a single mom?
« Reply #262 on: July 01, 2024, 11:44:17 AM »
What I am seeing is a search for some sort of logical construct to help understand, predict, and respond to confusing behavior.  Have you heard of the "ring" theory?  https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/promoting-hope-preventing-suicide/201705/ring-theory-helps-us-bring-comfort-in.  If not, it may help.

The idea is that the person dealing with huge trauma is in the very center.  Their closest family/friends are in ring around that person.  Then the people who are a bit further removed (remote family, coworkers, etc.) are in another ring farther out than that. Etc.

The primary rule of the ring theory is that you can send only support to people further inside the ring than you.  When you need support yourself -- because, as you well know, it is really fucking hard to be close to someone dealing with major trauma -- you need to look to rings farther out for that.

IOW, that means you cannot ask the GF for anything -- not sex, not time, not texts, not attention, etc.  The only questions you can ask right now are "what do you need from me?" or "how can I help you?"

You are legitimately frustrated that she cannot meet your needs right now.  Those needs are valid, and the frustration is valid.  But that is what the people farther out on the rings are for.  Frustrated you're not having sex?  Go out with buddies and vent about how hard it is not to have sex, and that it makes you feel like shit even to complain about it given what she's going through, but dammit, you miss it.  Vent to your therapist.  Find some online porn.  Whatever.  Just don't dump it on your GF.

Think of all of these various needs as rocks.  Right now, your GF is basically Atlas, holding up the world.  Literally all of her energy is used up in not falling apart and in putting one foot in front of the other.  If you can find ways to support her, you lift a couple of rocks off of her shoulders.  OTOH, if you ask her to understand or meet your own needs, you are piling additional rocks on top of her.  Maybe it's a very little rock, sure.  But do you really want to be the guy who is making her life even more difficult when she is going through the worst thing she's ever dealt with?  And if she's at her limit, even a little rock is all it takes.

From what you've written, she's done a really good job of clearly stating what she can and can't give right now -- in particular, she feels too much stress to want to have sex or think about your relationship right now.  That means that you now know, in no uncertain terms, that every time you ask about sex, or suggest that you want sex, or want to know where your relationship is headed, or any of that stuff, you are picking up another rock and setting it on top of her shoulders. 

It doesn't really matter whether you see it as a burden, or whether anyone else would, or whether her response is "normal."  You know that she sees it as a burden.  That is the end of the discussion right there.

Oh, and that kind of shutting down is what happens when you're trying to hold up all those rocks, and every time you talk to a particular person, they end up tossing another pebble on the pile (knowingly or unknowingly).  When you're in crisis, you figure out that the fastest way to save yourself is to just not deal with anyone and anything that makes life more difficult -- you triage down to the absolute bare minimum to get through your day and focus instead on people who you know will be supportive 100% of the time. 

If you want to communicate with her more regularly, the solution is pretty clear.  If she's limiting communications to people who are lifting rocks and cutting off people who are adding them, be the guy who lifts a rock every time you talk to her, without asking for or expecting a single damn thing in return.

And if you can't be that guy, acknowledge it and let her go radio silent for as long as she needs, so at least you're not making her life harder. (First Rule of Holes:  when you're in one, stop digging)
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Re: Advice on successfully dating a single mom?
« Reply #263 on: July 01, 2024, 12:33:34 PM »
@Laura33, the above is pure gold! Thank you for the post; it is something I will remember and keep in mind for many years to come.

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« Reply #264 on: July 01, 2024, 02:42:50 PM »
Agreed! Amazing post.

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Re: Advice on successfully dating a single mom?
« Reply #265 on: December 12, 2024, 02:08:14 PM »
@G-String Inquiring minds want to know...what happened with the GF?

Since you don't want to talk about it in the "should I buy this luxury car thread," I was hoping you'd be so inclined to share an update here.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!