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ACA specific question on affordability
« on: December 07, 2024, 07:45:33 AM »
Hello,

I have a part time job and recently my employer decided to offer the part time employees a health care plan (it's awful compared to my silver level plan on the ACA). My employer provided me with the monthly premium amount for the least expensive self only plan. I updated my application accordingly on healthcare.gov to disclose that my employer is offering me a health care plan. Based on the monthly premium amount and my income projection for 2025, we're still eligible for premium tax credits because my employer plan is considered "unaffordable" to us. This is because the total annual premium for the employer insurance is over 9.02% of our projected household income. Both my income and my wife's income varies month to month. Here's my question:

Next year, when we do our taxes for 2025, if we actually make more than our projected income (likely) and this higher income now makes the employer plan "affordable" during 2025, can the IRS claw back all of the premium tax credits that we received for 2025?

Are there protections in place if our income varies every year and our income estimate on the ACA application is different when we file our taxes?

I realize that we would have to pay back some of the premium tax credits if we under estimate our income and it ends up being higher because this happens to us every year but this is the first time that we are offered an employer plan that meats the minimum value standard. Our concern is the IRS will want ALL of the premium tax credits back because we had an "affordable" plan offered to us in 2025. But there's really no way of knowing if our income will in fact be higher than our projected amount. I might not know this until November or December of next year.

 I know there's nothing on the 1040 that asks if your employer health care plan became affordable to you at some point in the year. I assume the only way they could take back all of those premium tax credits is if we get audited.

Anyone else face this at some point? Thank you in advance for your replies.

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Re: ACA specific question on affordability
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2024, 09:27:59 AM »
Interesting question, and unfortunately I don't have an answer.

I will say, though, that it's quite common as an early retiree to shape my MAGI to fit the ACA subsidy toward the end of the year.  As an employee, you could amp up your 401k contributions or HSA (if your plan is HSA compatible).  Or, you could simply take a leave of absence at the end of the year.  Looking at it this way, it's not as if you are helpless to the variability of your income.

Would any of these things be possible actions you could take?

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Re: ACA specific question on affordability
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2024, 09:50:34 AM »
I decline the premium assistance and get a refundable credit at tax time for whatever I qualify for.

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Re: ACA specific question on affordability
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2024, 10:00:04 AM »
Yes, you will have to repay subsidies but it is limited to how much you make. If you make >=400% of the poverty level, you'll have to pay back all of the excess.

See Table 3 here: https://www.kff.org/affordable-care-act/issue-brief/explaining-health-care-reform-questions-about-health-insurance-subsidies/



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Re: ACA specific question on affordability
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2024, 10:19:36 AM »
I decline the premium assistance and get a refundable credit at tax time for whatever I qualify for.

Great! Any insight on my question?

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Re: ACA specific question on affordability
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2024, 10:21:50 AM »
I decline the premium assistance and get a refundable credit at tax time for whatever I qualify for.

Great! Any insight on my question?

When I file taxes each year, there is a form 1095A.  It shows what you paid in each  month for qualified healthcare.  That amount is compared against your MAGI and there is a calculation that shows how much your subsidy is.  I assume if it is negative you owe the IRS

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Re: ACA specific question on affordability
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2024, 10:25:05 AM »
Yes, you will have to repay subsidies but it is limited to how much you make. If you make >=400% of the poverty level, you'll have to pay back all of the excess.

See Table 3 here: https://www.kff.org/affordable-care-act/issue-brief/explaining-health-care-reform-questions-about-health-insurance-subsidies/

I understand how reconciliation of premium tax credits work but are you sure if I’d have to pay tax credits back if my employer plan becomes affordable after I’ve already submitted my ACA application? If my employer plan is affordable then I wouldn’t qualify for ANY tax credits. Would that mean I’d have to pay them all back?

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Re: ACA specific question on affordability
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2024, 10:29:09 AM »
I decline the premium assistance and get a refundable credit at tax time for whatever I qualify for.

Great! Any insight on my question?

When I file taxes each year, there is a form 1095A.  It shows what you paid in each  month for qualified healthcare.  That amount is compared against your MAGI and there is a calculation that shows how much your subsidy is.  I assume if it is negative you owe the IRS

I understand how reconciliation works. This isn’t really applicable to my question. If my employer plan is “affordable “ then I wouldn’t qualify for ANY tax credits. Right now my employer plan is “unaffordable “ but by the end of 2025 it could be affordable if I make more than I estimated on the ACA application.

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Re: ACA specific question on affordability
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2024, 10:44:41 AM »
The 400% FPL income limit for subsidies (the cliff) doesn't exist in 2024 or 2025.  It will come back in 2026 if nothing is done.

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Re: ACA specific question on affordability
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2024, 10:48:14 AM »
The 400% FPL income limit for subsidies (the cliff) doesn't exist in 2024 or 2025.  It will come back in 2026 if nothing is done.

Thank you but this doesn't relate to my queston.

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Re: ACA specific question on affordability
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2024, 10:51:22 AM »
The 400% FPL income limit for subsidies (the cliff) doesn't exist in 2024 or 2025.  It will come back in 2026 if nothing is done.

Thank you but this doesn't relate to my queston.
I chimed in because someone in the thread mentioned 400%.

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Re: ACA specific question on affordability
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2024, 11:08:51 AM »
The 400% FPL income limit for subsidies (the cliff) doesn't exist in 2024 or 2025.  It will come back in 2026 if nothing is done.

Thank you but this doesn't relate to my queston.
About your question, I doubt anything happens.  I just want to point out that if your employer plan is "unaffordable" you have the opportunity to buy a Catastrophic ACA plan.  These are usually much cheaper but get no subsidies.

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Re: ACA specific question on affordability
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2024, 11:32:47 AM »
Next year, when we do our taxes for 2025, if we actually make more than our projected income (likely) and this higher income now makes the employer plan "affordable" during 2025, can the IRS claw back all of the premium tax credits that we received for 2025?

No.

Are there protections in place if our income varies every year and our income estimate on the ACA application is different when we file our taxes?

Yes.

From page 4 of the IRS instructions for Form 8962, emphasis added:

"Employer-sponsored coverage. Even if you and other members of your tax family had the opportunity to enroll in a plan
that is MEC offered by your employer for 2023, you are considered eligible for MEC under the plan for a month only if the
offer of coverage met a minimum standard of affordability and provided a minimum level of benefits, referred to as “minimum value.” The coverage offered by your employer is generally considered affordable for you if your share of the annual cost for self-only coverage, which is sometimes referred to as the “employee required contribution,” is not more than 9.12% of your household income. The coverage offered by your employer is generally considered affordable for the other members of your tax family allowed to enroll in the coverage if your share of the annual cost for coverage for yourself and the other members of your tax family allowed to enroll in the coverage is not more than 9.12% of your household income. If your employer coverage is affordable for you but not affordable for your other family members, you may be able to take the PTC for your other family members if they enroll in a Marketplace qualified health plan. However, employer-sponsored coverage is not considered affordable if, when you or a family member enrolled in a qualified health plan, you gave accurate information about the availability of employer coverage to the Marketplace, and the Marketplace determined that you were eligible for APTC for the individual’s coverage in the qualified health plan. In addition, if you or your family member enrolls in employer-sponsored coverage for a month, you or your family member is considered eligible for employer-sponsored coverage for that month, even if the coverage does not satisfy the affordability and minimum value standards. Finally, if your employer offered coverage for you but not your family, you may be able to take the PTC for your family members. For more information on affordability and minimum value, see Pub. 974."

-- https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i8962.pdf

The example which follows points out that if you don't provide your employer plan information to the ACA marketplace then you're not eligible for PTC.  Since the cost of the employer plan, the affordability percentage, and your income changes each year, if you wanted to be very safe you would inform your ACA marketplace of that information on your application at least annually at reenrollment time.  Reading between the lines, the marketplace will determine affordability at the time you apply based on your estimated income, not your actual income.

Two other things FYI:

1.  The "affordability percentage" changes from year to year based on a federal formula.  In 2023, it was 9.12%.  I'm not sure what the number will be for 2025 but it's probably google-able.

2.  You mentioned "we" in your original post as well as your employer's "self only" coverage amount.  The government recently instituted an affordability rule that changes the rules for affordability to include family members.  From the first page of the Form 8962 instructions:

"New employer-coverage affordability rule for family members of employees. For tax years beginning after December
31, 2022, for purposes of determining eligibility for the PTC, affordability of employer coverage for an employee’s spouse or dependents allowed to enroll in the employer coverage is no longer based on the cost of covering only the employee.
Affordability of the employer coverage for these family members is now based on the employee’s cost for coverage of the employee and these other family members."
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Re: ACA specific question on affordability
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2024, 12:05:23 PM »
Next year, when we do our taxes for 2025, if we actually make more than our projected income (likely) and this higher income now makes the employer plan "affordable" during 2025, can the IRS claw back all of the premium tax credits that we received for 2025?

No.

Are there protections in place if our income varies every year and our income estimate on the ACA application is different when we file our taxes?

Yes.

From page 4 of the IRS instructions for Form 8962, emphasis added:

"Employer-sponsored coverage. Even if you and other members of your tax family had the opportunity to enroll in a plan
that is MEC offered by your employer for 2023, you are considered eligible for MEC under the plan for a month only if the
offer of coverage met a minimum standard of affordability and provided a minimum level of benefits, referred to as “minimum value.” The coverage offered by your employer is generally considered affordable for you if your share of the annual cost for self-only coverage, which is sometimes referred to as the “employee required contribution,” is not more than 9.12% of your household income. The coverage offered by your employer is generally considered affordable for the other members of your tax family allowed to enroll in the coverage if your share of the annual cost for coverage for yourself and the other members of your tax family allowed to enroll in the coverage is not more than 9.12% of your household income. If your employer coverage is affordable for you but not affordable for your other family members, you may be able to take the PTC for your other family members if they enroll in a Marketplace qualified health plan. However, employer-sponsored coverage is not considered affordable if, when you or a family member enrolled in a qualified health plan, you gave accurate information about the availability of employer coverage to the Marketplace, and the Marketplace determined that you were eligible for APTC for the individual’s coverage in the qualified health plan. In addition, if you or your family member enrolls in employer-sponsored coverage for a month, you or your family member is considered eligible for employer-sponsored coverage for that month, even if the coverage does not satisfy the affordability and minimum value standards. Finally, if your employer offered coverage for you but not your family, you may be able to take the PTC for your family members. For more information on affordability and minimum value, see Pub. 974."

-- https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i8962.pdf

The example which follows points out that if you don't provide your employer plan information to the ACA marketplace then you're not eligible for PTC.  Since the cost of the employer plan, the affordability percentage, and your income changes each year, if you wanted to be very safe you would inform your ACA marketplace of that information on your application at least annually at reenrollment time.  Reading between the lines, the marketplace will determine affordability at the time you apply based on your estimated income, not your actual income.

Two other things FYI:

1.  The "affordability percentage" changes from year to year based on a federal formula.  In 2023, it was 9.12%.  I'm not sure what the number will be for 2025 but it's probably google-able.

2.  You mentioned "we" in your original post as well as your employer's "self only" coverage amount.  The government recently instituted an affordability rule that changes the rules for affordability to include family members.  From the first page of the Form 8962 instructions:

"New employer-coverage affordability rule for family members of employees. For tax years beginning after December
31, 2022, for purposes of determining eligibility for the PTC, affordability of employer coverage for an employee’s spouse or dependents allowed to enroll in the employer coverage is no longer based on the cost of covering only the employee.
Affordability of the employer coverage for these family members is now based on the employee’s cost for coverage of the employee and these other family members."


That's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you so much for taking the time to post this information. I also just found this, which I believe answers my question and seems to corroborate what you posted:


https://www.kff.org/faqs/faqs-health-insurance-marketplace-and-the-aca/i-enrolled-in-a-marketplace-policy-with-premium-tax-credits-in-2020-even-though-my-employer-offers-health-benefits-because-the-employer-coverage-was-unaffordable-more-than-9-78-of-my-income-in-2020/


I did update my application on the ACA marketplace and they are the ones who determined that my employer plan is unaffordable and that we are eligible for tax credits. So even if I under estimate my income and my employer plan becomes affordable, I would not have to pay back all of the tax credits. I'd just reconcile the difference in tax credits that we are eligible for based on our actual income vs our estimated income. So I think i'm safe to deny my empolyers terrible healthcare offering and stick with my ACA plan.

Thanks again.

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Re: ACA specific question on affordability
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2024, 01:17:39 PM »
I decline the premium assistance and get a refundable credit at tax time for whatever I qualify for.
The one downside to that approach is if you take Advanced PTCs they have repayment limits when they are reconciled.  Doing it all at tax time means you may be worse off compared to APTCs taken monthly.