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ACA financial limits (US Healthcare)
« on: May 24, 2024, 07:10:13 AM »
Hi all,
I have BCBS health insurance that I pay for through the ACA exchange (only option where I live).   For the past 2 years, since I've FIREd, I've had very low income and have qualified for ACA subsidies.  I've been converting tIRA to Roth to stay out of the Medicaid range and stay on ACA. 
Lately, I've been prescribed a medication that is not covered by my insurance.   There are other medications that I'm now trying to get approved for, but I think those aren't the preferred type for my condition.  So I may get approved for something "good enough" but not the best option. 

My question is, if I go out of pocket and pay for the original medication through my doctor's compounding agency (~$1k/month), even though insurance won't pay, would I eventually get that money back through ACA?  Don't they have an out-of-pocket limit of a percent of income?  So if I pay anything above what I'm subsidized for, wouldn't that mean that I get that money back through tax credits?   If that were to happen, I'd accelerate Roth conversions to keep my tax near zero. 

Appreciate any advice.

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Re: ACA financial limits (US Healthcare)
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2024, 09:09:44 AM »
Nope; no magic get out of jail free card.

From Healthcare.gov:

The out-of-pocket limit doesn't include:
Your monthly premiums
Anything you spend for services your plan doesn't cover
Out-of-network care and services
Costs above the allowed amount for a service that a provider may charge


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Re: ACA financial limits (US Healthcare)
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2024, 01:07:03 PM »
Thank you @reeshau .  I appreciate that info! 

And maybe someone wants to address why it's easier to get understandable info here than it is through official channels.  They just blather on and on and on until whatever they're saying is obfuscated with jabbering. 

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Re: ACA financial limits (US Healthcare)
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2024, 02:02:57 PM »
I believe this could count as an itemized deduction to the extent that your overall medical expenses exceed 7.5% of your AGI. If you have enough other itemizable deductions to exceed the standard deduction (rare these days, but maybe if you have a big mortgage and/or give a lot to charity...) you could get a fraction of the money back that way.

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Re: ACA financial limits (US Healthcare)
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2024, 02:05:29 PM »
My question is, if I go out of pocket and pay for the original medication through my doctor's compounding agency (~$1k/month), even though insurance won't pay, would I eventually get that money back through ACA?  Don't they have an out-of-pocket limit of a percent of income?  So if I pay anything above what I'm subsidized for, wouldn't that mean that I get that money back through tax credits?   If that were to happen, I'd accelerate Roth conversions to keep my tax near zero. 

They do have an out of pocket limit as a percent of income, but that only applies to the monthly insurance premiums you pay, not to anything else.

The insurance policy you buy might also have an out of pocket annual maximum, although those are usually high unless you are on a Silver CSR policy of some type.  And BCBS will decide what applies to your out of pocket annual maximum, and that might not include something that you just decide to pay for on your own.

Thank you @reeshau .  I appreciate that info! 

And maybe someone wants to address why it's easier to get understandable info here than it is through official channels.  They just blather on and on and on until whatever they're saying is obfuscated with jabbering. 

If you buy a burger at McDonald's and don't like it, next time you want a burger you can switch fairly easily to Burger King or Wendy's or Sonic or Five Guys or Smashburger or Red Robin or In-N-Out.  In some cases they're literally across the street from each other.

ACA is a government program.  If you don't like the service you get from the ACA, next time...well, it's harder to switch governments than it is to switch hamburger providers.  In the case of the US, it could involve moving out of the country, becoming eligible to be a citizen of another country, renouncing your US citizenship, and possibly paying an exit tax.  And the sequelae of being away from family, learning a new culture, getting a new job and living quarters, possibly learning a new language, etc.

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Re: ACA financial limits (US Healthcare)
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2024, 03:31:33 PM »
Thank you @reeshau .  I appreciate that info! 

And maybe someone wants to address why it's easier to get understandable info here than it is through official channels.  They just blather on and on and on until whatever they're saying is obfuscated with jabbering.

There is zero incentive for government programs to work well or communicate things clearly. No one will get fired because they posted a wall of text when a half dozen bullet points would have sufficed. There's no competition forcing them to do better or provide another example of what right may look like.


Yesterday I was trying to add some information to a listing for my business in an SBA database and spent 20 minutes clicking around the site before I finally found the way to edit information. Terrible user interface that was not at all intuitive.

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Re: ACA financial limits (US Healthcare)
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2024, 05:19:26 PM »
Just chiming in to say I think it's bullshit that insurance can deny something that the patient's doctor says they need (within reason). It's not just an ACA problem but also happening more with employer based and especially Medicare Advantage coverage.  The extra work with the prior auths and denials is a big contributor to provider burnout and increased cost of care as well.
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Re: ACA financial limits (US Healthcare)
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2024, 05:21:43 PM »
I believe this could count as an itemized deduction to the extent that your overall medical expenses exceed 7.5% of your AGI. If you have enough other itemizable deductions to exceed the standard deduction (rare these days, but maybe if you have a big mortgage and/or give a lot to charity...) you could get a fraction of the money back that way.
This is what I was hoping for.  I usually have enough to exceed standard deduction but my medical expenses have never been high.  at $1000/month, this could definitely be the case.

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2024, 03:58:41 PM »
I just wanted to ask a side note on if you looked at places that provide medication that don't take insurance so it reduces costs?  I have had good luck with health warehouse in the past, though there are now other companies around.  If you are going to pay out of pocket, it might as well be the lowest cost.

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Re: ACA financial limits (US Healthcare)
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2024, 06:46:44 PM »
Since you are actively avoiding Medicaid I would investigate if any Medicaid Managed Care plans cover the drug you need.  You can always drop into Medicaid with income under the monthly limit at any time.

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Re: ACA financial limits (US Healthcare)
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2024, 03:21:11 PM »
One thing you might look for:  In my area at least, there are multiple plans under the ACA.  You might want to shop those plans to see if any of them will pay for the medicine you need.  Of course, that doesn't help you this year, but you can change plans at the start of the new calendar year.

Also you might want to discuss with your doctor about the price of the drug (if you haven't done so already).  Maybe he has an alternative source.

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Re: ACA financial limits (US Healthcare)
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2024, 04:04:48 PM »
Also, google the drug and "patient assistance".  Often, especially for new expensive drugs, there's some way to use a coupon to get it cheaper.  With low enough income, some are free (but I don't have any experience with how difficult those are to get).

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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2024, 11:18:06 AM »
I just wanted to ask a side note on if you looked at places that provide medication that don't take insurance so it reduces costs?  I have had good luck with health warehouse in the past, though there are now other companies around.  If you are going to pay out of pocket, it might as well be the lowest cost.

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Thanks!  I'll look there

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Re: ACA financial limits (US Healthcare)
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2024, 11:20:41 AM »
Also, google the drug and "patient assistance".  Often, especially for new expensive drugs, there's some way to use a coupon to get it cheaper.  With low enough income, some are free (but I don't have any experience with how difficult those are to get).
Thank you.  The manufacturer does offer a discount, but I won't know how much is covered until I get to the pharmacy.  This healthcare system is so out of whack.  Not to mention that an insurance company gets to decide what meds it wants to cover and just omit some others.  I never really thought about how invasive that is.

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Re: ACA financial limits (US Healthcare)
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2024, 12:21:09 PM »
Also, google the drug and "patient assistance".  Often, especially for new expensive drugs, there's some way to use a coupon to get it cheaper.  With low enough income, some are free (but I don't have any experience with how difficult those are to get).
Thank you.  The manufacturer does offer a discount, but I won't know how much is covered until I get to the pharmacy.  This healthcare system is so out of whack.  Not to mention that an insurance company gets to decide what meds it wants to cover and just omit some others.  I never really thought about how invasive that is.

Sounds just like the "rationing" they said would happen if we went to socialized medicine, only more expensive and time consuming to sort out.

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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2024, 07:33:14 AM »
Also, google the drug and "patient assistance".  Often, especially for new expensive drugs, there's some way to use a coupon to get it cheaper.  With low enough income, some are free (but I don't have any experience with how difficult those are to get).
Thank you.  The manufacturer does offer a discount, but I won't know how much is covered until I get to the pharmacy.  This healthcare system is so out of whack.  Not to mention that an insurance company gets to decide what meds it wants to cover and just omit some others.  I never really thought about how invasive that is.

Sounds just like the "rationing" they said would happen if we went to socialized medicine, only more expensive and time consuming to sort out.

I don't think so.  It's the private insurance companies that are determining what I can have and what I cannot.  Socialized medicine would allow everyone to be treated somewhat equally instead of these greedy private insurers playing God.   We allow private companies to become
 "death panels"

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Re: ACA financial limits (US Healthcare)
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2024, 08:03:05 AM »
Also, google the drug and "patient assistance".  Often, especially for new expensive drugs, there's some way to use a coupon to get it cheaper.  With low enough income, some are free (but I don't have any experience with how difficult those are to get).
Thank you.  The manufacturer does offer a discount, but I won't know how much is covered until I get to the pharmacy.  This healthcare system is so out of whack.  Not to mention that an insurance company gets to decide what meds it wants to cover and just omit some others.  I never really thought about how invasive that is.

Sounds just like the "rationing" they said would happen if we went to socialized medicine, only more expensive and time consuming to sort out.

I don't think so.  It's the private insurance companies that are determining what I can have and what I cannot.  Socialized medicine would allow everyone to be treated somewhat equally instead of these greedy private insurers playing God.   We allow private companies to become
 "death panels"

I was trying to say that's exactly what the insurance lobby and conservatives were fear mongering about a few years ago when there was an actual conversation about public options,  and now they are doing it themselves. Sorry if I didn't make myself understood.

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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2024, 10:26:23 AM »
Also, google the drug and "patient assistance".  Often, especially for new expensive drugs, there's some way to use a coupon to get it cheaper.  With low enough income, some are free (but I don't have any experience with how difficult those are to get).
Thank you.  The manufacturer does offer a discount, but I won't know how much is covered until I get to the pharmacy.  This healthcare system is so out of whack.  Not to mention that an insurance company gets to decide what meds it wants to cover and just omit some others.  I never really thought about how invasive that is.

Sounds just like the "rationing" they said would happen if we went to socialized medicine, only more expensive and time consuming to sort out.

I don't think so.  It's the private insurance companies that are determining what I can have and what I cannot.  Socialized medicine would allow everyone to be treated somewhat equally instead of these greedy private insurers playing God.   We allow private companies to become
 "death panels"

I was trying to say that's exactly what the insurance lobby and conservatives were fear mongering about a few years ago when there was an actual conversation about public options,  and now they are doing it themselves. Sorry if I didn't make myself understood.
Ahhh, yes, I get it now.  Thanks!

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Re: ACA financial limits (US Healthcare)
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2024, 05:40:47 PM »
Sometimes medications cost less overseas.  I had luck with medication from Canada Drugs Direct.  It actually came from New Zealand, but it was $50 instead of, something like $350.  They don't take insurance, but we had HDHP insurance so it didn't cover drug costs anyway.  Our doctor worked with us to get a stronger prescription, taken at a lower dose so a single refill would last two months instead of one.

Thank you @reeshau .  I appreciate that info! 

And maybe someone wants to address why it's easier to get understandable info here than it is through official channels.  They just blather on and on and on until whatever they're saying is obfuscated with jabbering.

I think this site is filled with intelligent, informed individuals whose salary requirements would be way too high for a government call center to pay.  And nearly everyone here understands you can manipulate income in retirement to a certain extent.  So if you have a related discussion you first have to hit someone in government with "what if my income was lower by X" or "what if my income was higher by Y".