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Title: 4-5 Year Investment Advice Needed
Post by: crhart2 on December 09, 2019, 06:16:37 PM
My wife and I plan to move to a better quality (more expensive) home in about 4-5 years and want to avoid getting a new mortgage if at all possible.  Can anyone recommend any relatively conservative investments for such a short time period?  Ideally something with a diversified portfolio and through Vanguard. 

I'm already considering a Vanguard target retirement fund.  However, my concern is that it will not be conservative enough to do a sudden, complete withdrawl.  From what I've seen, the target reitrement funds stop the stock/bond ratio at 20/80%.  I see the risk of the 20% stocks as minimal when you're withdrawling a small % amount relative to the total balance over multiple years (actual case during retirement), but more risky when you're withdrawling the whole amount at once.  I think I'd drop it down to 10/90% stock/bonds, but don't know if that's possible. 

Appreciate the help and feedback. 


**Special note that the investment type in this case is a roth IRA, but I will have to use some taxable accounts in the near future. 
Title: Re: 4-5 Year Investment Advice Needed
Post by: MDM on December 09, 2019, 07:06:58 PM
I think I'd drop it down to 10/90% stock/bonds, but don't know if that's possible. 
It is if, for example, you buy 10% Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund (VTSAX) and 90% Vanguard Total Bond Market Fund (VBTLX).
Title: Re: 4-5 Year Investment Advice Needed
Post by: RWD on December 09, 2019, 09:41:08 PM
[...] want to avoid getting a new mortgage if at all possible.
Why? Rates are cheap now (no guarantee they still will be in 4-5 years though) and it's typically better to keep funds invested, especially if you would be withdrawing from a tax-advantaged account like a Roth IRA.

Can anyone recommend any relatively conservative investments for such a short time period?  Ideally something with a diversified portfolio and through Vanguard.
The usual recommendation for short time frames is savings accounts or CDs. You can break 2% with CDs easily. This is probably preferable to short term bonds right now. Intermediate term bonds will yield a little higher but could fluctuate too.

I'm already considering a Vanguard target retirement fund.
Target funds, while convenient, have slightly higher fees than choosing the individual funds yourself.
Title: Re: 4-5 Year Investment Advice Needed
Post by: crhart2 on December 15, 2019, 08:21:03 PM
I think I'd drop it down to 10/90% stock/bonds, but don't know if that's possible. 
It is if, for example, you buy 10% Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund (VTSAX) and 90% Vanguard Total Bond Market Fund (VBTLX).

I knew there had to be something simple.  Thanks a bunch!
Title: Re: 4-5 Year Investment Advice Needed
Post by: crhart2 on December 15, 2019, 08:22:55 PM

The usual recommendation for short time frames is savings accounts or CDs. You can break 2% with CDs easily. This is probably preferable to short term bonds right now. Intermediate term bonds will yield a little higher but could fluctuate too.

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Is it possible to invest in a CD with a roth IRA?  Thanks for the tip!
Title: Re: 4-5 Year Investment Advice Needed
Post by: crhart2 on December 15, 2019, 08:26:03 PM
Also, we're paying down the mortgage because we simply can't stand debt.  That combined with a toddler and unstable market conditions for my industry have lead us down a very conservative path.  I know we could make more money by investing instead, but paying off debt is a relief.  However, we'll be much more confident investors in the future I'm sure!
Title: Re: 4-5 Year Investment Advice Needed
Post by: frugal_c on December 15, 2019, 09:26:22 PM
Why wouldn't you just put these funds against your mortgage right now?
Title: Re: 4-5 Year Investment Advice Needed
Post by: crhart2 on December 18, 2019, 08:06:04 PM
I can't touch the funds yet.  You have to wait 5 years from when the account was opened.

Title: Re: 4-5 Year Investment Advice Needed
Post by: crhart2 on December 18, 2019, 08:18:22 PM
Does anyone know if you can use a roth IRA to invest in CDs through Vanguard?