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2 glasses of wine a day?
« on: October 31, 2016, 12:50:14 PM »
Do the health benefits outweigh the extra costs of buying 3 bottles of wine each week?

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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2016, 12:52:56 PM »
No, but a good buzz does.

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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2016, 12:53:23 PM »
Get a box!

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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2016, 02:35:31 PM »
I don't think anyone should drink wine for the purported health reasons. All of those studies are just correlations, with no real indication that wine, rather than something else those people have in common (like the ability to afford wine?), is responsible for the improved health outcomes observed.

That said, I love wine. I wish I didn't, because it would be one less thing to spend money on, I suspect the alcohol is negating any possible health benefits from the tannins or whatever, but here we are. I have had very good luck with getting affordable yet good wine at Grocery Outlet. I rarely spend more than about $7 a bottle, and usually more like 5 or 6. I haven't found a boxed wine I love yet, but if you find one you like then that seems like an excellent option.

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Re: 2 glasses of wine a day?
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2016, 03:02:48 PM »
YES.

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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2016, 02:18:17 AM »
YES.

Agree.  Source: I've dated girls in medical school, and regularly drink wine with doctors.

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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2016, 04:46:47 AM »
All those bs studies were funded by alcohol producers and the comparison group were teetotalers who never drink, many of them didn't drink for health reasons.

Plus iirc the benefit was oxidization or some nonesense you could find other products that do not have alcohol.

Just drink water (says the guy who loves root beer and milk shakes).

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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2016, 05:26:26 AM »
Yeah, I would say only do it if you enjoy it. If you don't drink now, I wouldn't start just for this reason. On the other hand, if you already enjoy an evening beverage, 1-2 glass of (preferably red) wine is a reasonable target to shoot for.

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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2016, 05:58:55 AM »
aldi 9 bucks a week is all that would cost ya.  or get some good stuff at costco the columbia crest cab for 2x that price at 18 bucks a week. 

but i dont think its actually worth any measurable health benefit vs not drinking.

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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2016, 06:02:57 AM »
I don't think anyone should drink wine for the purported health reasons. All of those studies are just correlations, with no real indication that wine, rather than something else those people have in common (like the ability to afford wine?), is responsible for the improved health outcomes observed.

That said, I love wine. I wish I didn't, because it would be one less thing to spend money on, I suspect the alcohol is negating any possible health benefits from the tannins or whatever, but here we are. I have had very good luck with getting affordable yet good wine at Grocery Outlet. I rarely spend more than about $7 a bottle, and usually more like 5 or 6. I haven't found a boxed wine I love yet, but if you find one you like then that seems like an excellent option.

A lot of the benefits can come from the relaxation a buzz can provide, as well as the perceived benefits of the positive health effects of wine.  Think about how stressed about people in general are (from work!); I know I sure as hell am.

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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2016, 06:33:58 AM »
I've heard one glass of wine a day can be good. So I hedge my bets and drink about once a month.

The less often you do something, the more special it feels :)

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Re: 2 glasses of wine a day?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2016, 06:40:06 AM »
I don't think anyone should drink wine for the purported health reasons. All of those studies are just correlations, with no real indication that wine, rather than something else those people have in common (like the ability to afford wine?), is responsible for the improved health outcomes observed.

That said, I love wine. I wish I didn't, because it would be one less thing to spend money on, I suspect the alcohol is negating any possible health benefits from the tannins or whatever, but here we are. I have had very good luck with getting affordable yet good wine at Grocery Outlet. I rarely spend more than about $7 a bottle, and usually more like 5 or 6. I haven't found a boxed wine I love yet, but if you find one you like then that seems like an excellent option.

A lot of the benefits can come from the relaxation a buzz can provide, as well as the perceived benefits of the positive health effects of wine.  Think about how stressed about people in general are (from work!); I know I sure as hell am.

I have a hard time falling asleep at night, even if i run a 30 mile marathon. My mind is always busy thinking about something. With 2 beverages before bed I fall right to sleep. I wake up rested and feeling good. However if I drink more than those 2 drinks I risk bad sleep and feeling hung over the next day.

I'm not sure the cheap mass manufactured wine has the same benefits of a small batch crafted wine. However I tried out MMM's recipe for pouring yeast in a gallon of apple cider and letting it ferment for 2 weeks. It felt like I was drinking a super healthy drink with all that active brewers yeast. The taste and texture took some getting used to but it only costed $6 and I felt good about what I was putting in my body.

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Re: 2 glasses of wine a day?
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2016, 06:41:21 AM »
https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

Moderate drinking

"The Dietary Guidelines for Americans defines moderate drinking as up to 1 drink per day for women and up to 2 drinks per day for men.4 In addition, the Dietary Guidelines do not recommend that individuals who do not drink alcohol start drinking for any reason."

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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2016, 08:22:25 AM »
At my old work (golf course), one of the members was a 90 year old cardiologist. He used to tell everyone he met, that the key to a healthy long life is 2 glasses of wine a night. Lowers blood pressure, helps you sleep blah blah blah. He is still alive today, almost 100!

The studies are not bogus, there is a measurable benefit.

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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2016, 09:34:26 AM »
Data point of 1 coming your way.  A few years ago, I got my cholesterol tested and the HDL (good cholesterol) had plummeted, from around 98 to 64.  I was completely shocked as I had always had extremely high levels of HDL while keeping very low total cholesterol levels.  When I asked the doctor about this, he stated that I needed to do more cardiovascular activity.  I was already working out over 5 hours a week. So, I turned to the trusty internet for some advice on ways to improve my HDL.  Tips included eating garlic, working out, blah blah blah.   About two days later, my husband asked if I would like to go out and have a drink, then boom! It came to me!  Most sources I read also mentioned that alcohol can increase HDL levels in certain people.  That was the only change I had made in my life, I had gone from what would be considered "above-average" drinking (20+ drinks a week) to a "normal" drinking (~7 drinks a week) level.  As a result, my HDL has been low ever since, as I have kept up the low drinking tendency, mostly so that I can lose some weight and keep it off. 


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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2016, 09:42:57 AM »
I'm going to go with NO.

I love wine, but at my age (40s) and sex (female), the extra calories do me no good. 

I pretty much cut my wine to a glass or two a week (and I give it up entirely in November).


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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2016, 05:10:05 PM »
I don't think anyone should drink wine for the purported health reasons. All of those studies are just correlations, with no real indication that wine, rather than something else those people have in common (like the ability to afford wine?), is responsible for the improved health outcomes observed.

That said, I love wine. I wish I didn't, because it would be one less thing to spend money on, I suspect the alcohol is negating any possible health benefits from the tannins or whatever, but here we are. I have had very good luck with getting affordable yet good wine at Grocery Outlet. I rarely spend more than about $7 a bottle, and usually more like 5 or 6. I haven't found a boxed wine I love yet, but if you find one you like then that seems like an excellent option.

A lot of the benefits can come from the relaxation a buzz can provide, as well as the perceived benefits of the positive health effects of wine.  Think about how stressed about people in general are (from work!); I know I sure as hell am.

I have a hard time falling asleep at night, even if i run a 30 mile marathon. My mind is always busy thinking about something. With 2 beverages before bed I fall right to sleep. I wake up rested and feeling good. However if I drink more than those 2 drinks I risk bad sleep and feeling hung over the next day.

I'm not sure the cheap mass manufactured wine has the same benefits of a small batch crafted wine. However I tried out MMM's recipe for pouring yeast in a gallon of apple cider and letting it ferment for 2 weeks. It felt like I was drinking a super healthy drink with all that active brewers yeast. The taste and texture took some getting used to but it only costed $6 and I felt good about what I was putting in my body.

I'm not saying there are absolutely no benefits to drinking wine. As previously stated, I love wine. I clearly derive some benefits from it, or I wouldn't allocate precious funds toward it. If you like wine, drink wine. I'm just saying that I don't know that it's worth taking it up for health reasons if you don't already enjoy the taste, the feeling, etc., because the science on the health benefits is fuzzy.

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Re: 2 glasses of wine a day?
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2016, 08:31:01 PM »
Basically my understanding is that there isn't a health benefit to starting to drink if you're not currently a drinker, but if you're going to drink doing so in moderation may bring some benefits.  Don't go out of your way to do it - if you like wine 1-2 glasses per day would be fine.

Also +1 to boxed wine - there are a lot more options these days and much better quality than Franzia

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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2016, 10:56:01 AM »
I'm too paranoid about alcoholism to stock alcohol in the house.
it's the same reason that I don't buy a lot of my favorite snacks like cheetos.
It's easy enough to avoid buying them in the store, but once they're in the house, all bets are off!

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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2016, 04:26:51 PM »
I was looking for a new Merlot to try that was cheaper than my favorite, hoping to acquire a taste for a nice cheap bottle of wine. I found a Merlot online called Bogle. Had to try it! It was like fate with a name like that... It's actually decent in my opinion, and was $7 compared to my usual $12 a bottle. Winning! Bogleheads helped me out once again!

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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2016, 04:24:44 AM »
I think drinking two glasses of wine every day makes you addicted to alcohol.

It's not going to kill you right away, but so doesn't smoking a pack a week.

You stopped drinking wine for a week and felt bad and couldn't sleep right? Congrats, that's how detox feels like.

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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2016, 05:17:46 AM »
I think drinking two glasses of wine every day makes you addicted to alcohol.

It's not going to kill you right away, but so doesn't smoking a pack a week.

You stopped drinking wine for a week and felt bad and couldn't sleep right? Congrats, that's how detox feels like.

Where did you read I stopped drinking wine for a week and then my sleep problems started?????? I would imagine you are one of those people who preaches to everyone how evil alcohol is.

I said: I have a hard time falling asleep at night, even if i run a 30 mile marathon. My mind is always busy thinking about something. With 2 beverages before bed I fall right to sleep.

I never said anything about doing this every night nor did I say I stopped and started having sleep problems.

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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2016, 05:43:04 AM »
I was looking for a new Merlot to try that was cheaper than my favorite, hoping to acquire a taste for a nice cheap bottle of wine. I found a Merlot online called Bogle. Had to try it! It was like fate with a name like that... It's actually decent in my opinion, and was $7 compared to my usual $12 a bottle. Winning! Bogleheads helped me out once again!

you should try dumping franzia merlot in there then forgetting about it and trying it months later... you mind will likely think its the same.  a brain games was done on cheap vs expensive wines.  and they took franzia and put it in the 100 dollar bottle and put the 100 dollar bottle stuff in a bottle with a clown on it.  people who were consider to be great at wine tried both and ALL of them said they wouldnt serve the clown bottle at even a small dinner party but would HAVE to HAVE the 100 dollar bottle. 

i drink a lot of wine and i can tell suttle differences between bottles and have some more expensive(6$ vs 3$) wines i prefer on special occasion.  but this is mostly a decision made by your mind based on appearance and perception vs your pallet.

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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2016, 06:37:16 AM »
I never said anything about doing this every night nor did I say I stopped and started having sleep problems.

You're not the guy with sleep problems I'm talking about, just some random dude I know.

I'm not preaching to everyone, I'm preaching to a very specific crowd, the crowd who asks "Should I drink two glasses of wine every day?" My answer to that is: "No you should not, you'll get alcohol addiction".


//Edit: alcohol addiction is not the same as alcoholism and alcohol abuse
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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2016, 06:48:14 AM »
Don't take any chances, have (3) glasses.

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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2016, 07:48:05 AM »
I think drinking two glasses of wine every day makes you addicted to alcohol.

It's not going to kill you right away, but so doesn't smoking a pack a week.

You stopped drinking wine for a week and felt bad and couldn't sleep right? Congrats, that's how detox feels like.
Ehh.  Everything is addictive.  The internet.  Smartphones.  TV.  Coffee.  Soft drinks.  Candy.

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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2016, 07:54:46 AM »
I never said anything about doing this every night nor did I say I stopped and started having sleep problems.

You're not the guy with sleep problems I'm talking about, just some random dude I know.

I'm not preaching to everyone, I'm preaching to a very specific crowd, the crowd who asks "Should I drink two glasses of wine every day?" My answer to that is: "No you should not, you'll get alcohol addiction".


//Edit: alcohol addiction is not the same as alcoholism and alcohol abuse

It is widely known that two glasses of wine a night can help heart health and increase your life span. It not like he's talking about drinking moonshine.

Here you go, some studies done in over 19 countries.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265635.php
« Last Edit: November 03, 2016, 07:59:44 AM by Awgolfer »

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« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2016, 08:10:06 AM »
Here you got the National Institue of Alcohol abuse and Alcoholism saying that 2 glasses of wine per day is the upper limit for males: http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/womensfact/womensfact.htm

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« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2016, 08:17:59 AM »
Here you got the National Institue of Alcohol abuse and Alcoholism saying that 2 glasses of wine per day is the upper limit for males: http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/womensfact/womensfact.htm

National institute of alcohol abuse?? You dont think that their opinion might be just a tad bias? Comon, thats like me giving you an article from wineadvocate.com.

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« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2016, 08:35:39 AM »
The articel you posted actually says the excat same thing...

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« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2016, 08:57:05 AM »
2 glasses of wine for men

1 for women.

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« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2016, 10:10:28 AM »
2 glasses of wine for men

1 for women.
What if the woman is bigger than the man? ;)

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« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2016, 10:21:23 AM »
Alcohol metabolism is influenced by sex, genetic background, weight, previous drinking (tolerance), and age. So basing your consumption on a study average is questionable at best. A glass or two of wine, if you not tempted to exceed that, is probably ok. There may be benefits at lower doses, or you may not do much damage at slightly higher doses, but that's the range. More than a slight buzz is probably doing at least a little damage.

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« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2016, 10:26:52 AM »
2 glasses of wine for men

1 for women.
What if the woman is bigger than the man? ;)

genetic make up is different and that number isnt soley based on how fat you are.

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Re: 2 glasses of wine a day?
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2016, 12:28:23 PM »
Do the health benefits outweigh the extra costs of buying 3 bottles of wine each week?

I used to drink 2 to 3 times a week despite being extremely frugal.

My answer is no. Extra calories that do not provide a nutrition benefit and extra cost. I'm currently on a mission to not have any alcohol for the next year. I'm only a few weeks into it, but I'm finding that I'm not missing it at all. If I continue not to miss it, then I'll just give it up indefinitely and be happy pocketing the extra money.

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« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2016, 02:37:34 PM »
Do the health benefits outweigh the extra costs of buying 3 bottles of wine each week?

I used to drink 2 to 3 times a week despite being extremely frugal.

My answer is no. Extra calories that do not provide a nutrition benefit and extra cost. I'm currently on a mission to not have any alcohol for the next year. I'm only a few weeks into it, but I'm finding that I'm not missing it at all. If I continue not to miss it, then I'll just give it up indefinitely and be happy pocketing the extra money.
I'd rather be dead.

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« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2016, 02:43:40 PM »
Quote
I'm currently on a mission to not have any alcohol for the next year.
I'd rather be dead.

Lol. I'll admit that my personal mission is not for everyone. I'd merely encourage people to rethink why they drink. Do you drink just because it's a social thing to do? How much enjoyment do you really take from it? Is it worth the amount of money you spend? Could you drink less and still derive just as much enjoyment from it (and spend less money in the process)?
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« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2016, 03:12:32 PM »
Here you go, some studies done in over 19 countries.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265635.php


That's fair and we're all here to learn something new.
Here's an article I favor which says the jury's still out.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-health-benefits-of-moderate-drinking/

" The evidence on alcohol has not yet reached a comparable consistency or critical mass. It relies mainly on epidemiologic studies, a type of research that has a lot of drawbacks. Correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation. We can never be sure all possible confounders have been eliminated; for instance, people who drink red wine might belong to a higher social status and have a healthier diet and lifestyle than the average nondrinker. And there are studies from non-Western cultures that found the opposite: no benefit and even possible harm from alcohol consumption. Most importantly, there is no evidence that people who don’t drink would improve their longevity if they started drinking. Or that people who do drink would decrease their longevity if they stopped drinking."


There are both upsides and downsides and the health benefit cancels out for me.
On the other hand, I don't have to search hard in my own life to see evidence of the destructive power of alcohol.

Also singled out by longitudinal studies such as:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Study

"Alcoholism is a disorder of great destructive power.
- Alcoholism was the main cause of divorce between the Grant Study men and their wives.
- Strongly correlates with neurosis and depression, which tended to follow alcohol abuse, rather than precede it.
- Together with associated cigarette smoking, was the single greatest contributor to their early morbidity and death."

I'd prefer to avoid the risk, so I limit myself to a few drinks a year.
If you can partake responsibly, then kudos to you.


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Re: 2 glasses of wine a day?
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2016, 03:32:44 PM »
Here you go, some studies done in over 19 countries.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265635.php


That's fair and we're all here to learn something new.
Here's an article I favor which says the jury's still out.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-health-benefits-of-moderate-drinking/

" The evidence on alcohol has not yet reached a comparable consistency or critical mass. It relies mainly on epidemiologic studies, a type of research that has a lot of drawbacks. Correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation. We can never be sure all possible confounders have been eliminated; for instance, people who drink red wine might belong to a higher social status and have a healthier diet and lifestyle than the average nondrinker. And there are studies from non-Western cultures that found the opposite: no benefit and even possible harm from alcohol consumption. Most importantly, there is no evidence that people who don’t drink would improve their longevity if they started drinking. Or that people who do drink would decrease their longevity if they stopped drinking."


There are both upsides and downsides and the health benefit cancels out for me.
On the other hand, I don't have to search hard in my own life to see evidence of the destructive power of alcohol.

Also singled out by longitudinal studies such as:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Study

"Alcoholism is a disorder of great destructive power.
- Alcoholism was the main cause of divorce between the Grant Study men and their wives.
- Strongly correlates with neurosis and depression, which tended to follow alcohol abuse, rather than precede it.
- Together with associated cigarette smoking, was the single greatest contributor to their early morbidity and death."

I'd prefer to avoid the risk, so I limit myself to a few drinks a year.
If you can partake responsibly, then kudos to you.

Could not agree more about the possible destructiveness of alcohol to an alcoholic. The only issue is Alcoholism is a disease and you either have it or you dont. I come from a community/family that has had alcohol ruin many peoples lives. But, that is not the topic we are discussing. Clearly if you have a problem with alcohol, no doctor is going to say you should drink. But if alcohol does not effect you in a negative way then you cannot count that into your reasoning.

That would be like me saying I dont want to risk eating peanut butter because some people have peanut allergies. Its just not logical.

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« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2016, 03:49:22 PM »
Could not agree more about the possible destructiveness of alcohol to an alcoholic. The only issue is Alcoholism is a disease and you either have it or you dont. I come from a community/family that has had alcohol ruin many peoples lives. But, that is not the topic we are discussing. Clearly if you have a problem with alcohol, no doctor is going to say you should drink. But if alcohol does not effect you in a negative way then you cannot count that into your reasoning.

That would be like me saying I dont want to risk eating peanut butter because some people have peanut allergies. Its just not logical.


I think we disagree about the bolded part.
That's one narrative.
The analogy breaks apart because I can't test myself for this disease.
A different narrative is that alcoholism has a gradual onset that compounds with a negative feedback loop.

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« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2016, 05:16:38 PM »
Hmm...I enjoy a glass of wine. I also enjoy a glass of fruit juice. Weirdly enough, I get equal enjoyment out of an alcoholic and a non-alcoholic drink. Since the alcohol adds more calories, I typically just stay away from it.

To be honest, I really don't understand the whole "drinking alcohol" thing. I get buzzed very easily and joke that I am a "cheap drunk". But I don't find it the least  bit relaxing (I usually get more jittery and giggly). And the handful of times in my life I have had hangovers were  absolutely horrible (why do ppl spend a fortune to do that to themselves?). Ppl talk about having a drink after a rough day - I have tried it but notice absolutely no difference to me. Sitting down with a bag of Cheetos is more relaxing LOL!!

Oh well, saves me a lot of money :)


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« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2016, 05:35:31 PM »
The jury is out. So much so, that different countries have completely different health guidelines for alcohol consumption.

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Re: 2 glasses of wine a day?
« Reply #42 on: November 03, 2016, 05:50:30 PM »
Define what "glass" means

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Re: 2 glasses of wine a day?
« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2016, 05:56:00 PM »
Here is the rule of thumb by which I live:

If the experts all agree I should do a Thing, I do the Thing. Wear my seat belt. Eat fruits and vegetables. Exercise to some extent.

If experts DISAGREE, I do what seems/feels the best to me.

I enjoy drinking wine. I drink a glass several nights a week. I also enjoy large-ish quantities of coffee. I could provide eleventy billion parenting examples.

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Re: 2 glasses of wine a day?
« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2016, 06:04:21 PM »
I'd say if you are doing 2 each and everyday, it might be borderline high.

A glass as medically defined is 175ML however most people pour much more for a "glass". 

Guidance is no more than 15 drinks per week with 2 days free of alcohol per week - that works out to 3.25 bottles of wine in a week.

My wife and I were drinking abit too much as we were around 7 bottles per week total and we have cut back to 4.....so 1500ml per week each which comes out to around one glass per night (we usually drink 3 days per week) which I think is OK?

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Re: 2 glasses of wine a day?
« Reply #45 on: November 04, 2016, 08:42:34 AM »
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I'm currently on a mission to not have any alcohol for the next year.
I'd rather be dead.

Lol. I'll admit that my personal mission is not for everyone. I'd merely encourage people to rethink why they drink. Do you drink just because it's a social thing to do? Nope.  I drink the same amount whether I'm around people or not. How much enjoyment do you really take from it? I enjoy it quite a bit.  Is it worth the amount of money you spend? I think so, but I wouldn't mind spending a bit less.  Could you drink less and still derive just as much enjoyment from it (and spend less money in the process)?  Possibly.
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Re: 2 glasses of wine a day?
« Reply #46 on: November 04, 2016, 08:43:01 AM »
Here you go, some studies done in over 19 countries.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265635.php


That's fair and we're all here to learn something new.
Here's an article I favor which says the jury's still out.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-health-benefits-of-moderate-drinking/

" The evidence on alcohol has not yet reached a comparable consistency or critical mass. It relies mainly on epidemiologic studies, a type of research that has a lot of drawbacks. Correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation. We can never be sure all possible confounders have been eliminated; for instance, people who drink red wine might belong to a higher social status and have a healthier diet and lifestyle than the average nondrinker. And there are studies from non-Western cultures that found the opposite: no benefit and even possible harm from alcohol consumption. Most importantly, there is no evidence that people who don’t drink would improve their longevity if they started drinking. Or that people who do drink would decrease their longevity if they stopped drinking."


There are both upsides and downsides and the health benefit cancels out for me.
On the other hand, I don't have to search hard in my own life to see evidence of the destructive power of alcohol.

Also singled out by longitudinal studies such as:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Study

"Alcoholism is a disorder of great destructive power.
- Alcoholism was the main cause of divorce between the Grant Study men and their wives.
- Strongly correlates with neurosis and depression, which tended to follow alcohol abuse, rather than precede it.
- Together with associated cigarette smoking, was the single greatest contributor to their early morbidity and death."

I'd prefer to avoid the risk, so I limit myself to a few drinks a year.
If you can partake responsibly, then kudos to you.
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.

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Re: 2 glasses of wine a day?
« Reply #47 on: November 04, 2016, 10:03:21 AM »
I'd say if you are doing 2 each and everyday, it might be borderline high.

A glass as medically defined is 175ML however most people pour much more for a "glass". 

Guidance is no more than 15 drinks per week with 2 days free of alcohol per week - that works out to 3.25 bottles of wine in a week.

My wife and I were drinking abit too much as we were around 7 bottles per week total and we have cut back to 4.....so 1500ml per week each which comes out to around one glass per night (we usually drink 3 days per week) which I think is OK?

Hm, that's interesting.  Most of my wine glasses come from wineries.  Anyway, the one I use the *most*, if you fill it, is a 4 oz pour (less than the 6 oz/175 ml)

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Re: 2 glasses of wine a day?
« Reply #48 on: November 04, 2016, 10:08:53 AM »
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I'm currently on a mission to not have any alcohol for the next year.
I'd rather be dead.

Lol. I'll admit that my personal mission is not for everyone. I'd merely encourage people to rethink why they drink. Do you drink just because it's a social thing to do? Nope.  I drink the same amount whether I'm around people or not. How much enjoyment do you really take from it? I enjoy it quite a bit.  Is it worth the amount of money you spend? I think so, but I wouldn't mind spending a bit less.  Could you drink less and still derive just as much enjoyment from it (and spend less money in the process)?  Possibly.
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Awesome, I appreciate the answers. The questions were posed directly at you, but were intended for the community at large.

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Re: 2 glasses of wine a day?
« Reply #49 on: November 04, 2016, 10:15:37 AM »
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I'm currently on a mission to not have any alcohol for the next year.
I'd rather be dead.

Lol. I'll admit that my personal mission is not for everyone. I'd merely encourage people to rethink why they drink. Do you drink just because it's a social thing to do? Nope.  I drink the same amount whether I'm around people or not. How much enjoyment do you really take from it? I enjoy it quite a bit.  Is it worth the amount of money you spend? I think so, but I wouldn't mind spending a bit less.  Could you drink less and still derive just as much enjoyment from it (and spend less money in the process)?  Possibly.
Answers in bold.

I have a lot social anxiety so alcohol relaxes me in social settings. So I do get more enjoyment socially drinking.