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south of 61

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[CAN] Mortgage "blend and extend" offer from bank
« on: September 08, 2021, 10:02:05 PM »
Had an unsolicited call from my bank today, offering to 'blend and extend' my mortgage. I'm hoping to benefit from the collective wisdom of the board.

Here are the details:

Current mortgage
Owe $275k
Fixed rate of 3.48%
Renewal May 2023

Offer
Fixed rate of 2.58%
5 years (so to Sept 2026)

Penalty to break current mortgage is $11k. Blend is 'free'.

5 year fixed today is around 2%.

I'm wondering if I'm better off continuing to pay the 3.48% until May 2023 and hope interest rates are still low then? I was also planning to go back to a variable rate when the current (May 2023) mortgage is up for renewal. The 2018 mortgage was my first (only?) time going for a fixed rate (based on some pretty unique circumstances at the time), so I'm not sure about locking in until 2026.

Thoughts? Wisdom? I guess I'm suspicious that the bank is cold called me with this offer. I don't want to break the mortgage now (and pay the 11k) as I wouldn't make that money back in interest savings over the next 20(ish) months the mortgage has left. I was planning to just 'ride it out' (and kick myself for going fixed, but whatever!) and go variable in 2023... but then this call came in.

I guess what I'm really asking is - what's the crystal ball saying interest rates will be for the next 6.5 years ;)






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Re: [CAN] Mortgage "blend and extend" offer from bank
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2021, 10:04:46 AM »
Seems to me you could run numbers on the two different scenarios, and figure out what rate you would have to get in 2023 to beat the current offer.

Nobody has a crystal ball, obviously, but I think I would take it because I don't have confidence that this rate environment is going to continue for 2+ years...

south of 61

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Re: [CAN] Mortgage "blend and extend" offer from bank
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2021, 10:14:36 AM »
Seems to me you could run numbers on the two different scenarios, and figure out what rate you would have to get in 2023 to beat the current offer.

Nobody has a crystal ball, obviously, but I think I would take it because I don't have confidence that this rate environment is going to continue for 2+ years...

Thanks! - yeah I'm running numbers all over the place! It's actually looking like the numbers would come out pretty close (like within a few thousand)- but that's based on my 'crystal ball' of what variable rates are going to do through the next 6.5 years (so they aren't too reliable - is it too early to tell if inflation is here to stay or is it covid 'noise' etc, etc)

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Re: [CAN] Mortgage "blend and extend" offer from bank
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2021, 01:56:54 PM »
What are the chances you'll want to move in the next 2 years, vs the next 5 years?

Does your mortgage payment change, or does the amortisation change? Or maybe you can choose?

Are you already filling your TFSA and putting a chunk into an RRSP? Will a reduced mortgage payment help you reach FIRE sooner?

I'd probably take it, assuming I wasn't planning on moving or could reasonably hold out for 5 years.

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Re: [CAN] Mortgage "blend and extend" offer from bank
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2021, 05:03:18 AM »
I guess what I'm really asking is - what's the crystal ball saying interest rates will be for the next 6.5 years ;)

One nice thing about mortgages is you can work out the costs for the two options above plus breaking the current mortgage. Then compare to the alternatives in terms of variable rate mortgages and see what range of rates gets you to a win or a lose. That'll at least give you the sense of what's likely for outcomes.

The BoC is talking about staying at a low rate until the second half of 2022. I suspect that might drift into 2023 as I think there is too much optimism about how fast the pandemic will be "over".  When the rate changes start it'll be 0.25% at a time. The mortgage debt situation in Canada is such that any fast rate increases would be such a shock to the system it's going to do more damage than good. Plus the BoC can start making changes by reducing the $Bs of bonds they are buying and work slowly on the interest rate.

If you asked me I'd say:
- 2021-2022 = no change/ultra low rates
- 2023-2025 = low slowly climbing rates

I've been on a variable rate mortgage since 2010 and have no plans to get a fixed rate mortgage. I keep extending out my amortization back to 25yrs and lowering my payment when I renew the mortgage every 5 years.

If I was in your shoes I'd be cranking away at Excel and then doing whatever saved me the most money based on my expectations for interest rates. Of course the future is uncertain so my thoughts on interest rates could be wrong.
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Re: [CAN] Mortgage "blend and extend" offer from bank
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2021, 10:23:41 PM »
Thanks for the replies - very helpful - gave me lots to think about!