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Re: Why get something for free when you can buy it?
« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2021, 04:34:22 AM »
And in a shocking turn of events the sister in question is having flooding problems in her basement and may need to have her sewer lines replaced.  It totally sucks, and I feel bad for her, but she is bitching about money now and doesn't have any money set aside for the repair.  Or any money set aside for anything, because setting money aside is something my family seems incapable of doing. 

It is frustrating to watch them waste money knowing they could and should be more responsible with it.

I frequently have mixed feelings when someone I know hits a large unanticipated expense and can’t pay for it. It sucks and I want to empathize, but most of the time they have been living on the financial edge for years and spending as if there would be no bad days. Often these are my aquiantances that tease me for being a ‘cheap-ass’ who can afford to own a fancier car/house/boat/whatever.

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Re: Why get something for free when you can buy it?
« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2021, 07:25:20 AM »
And in a shocking turn of events the sister in question is having flooding problems in her basement and may need to have her sewer lines replaced.  It totally sucks, and I feel bad for her, but she is bitching about money now and doesn't have any money set aside for the repair.  Or any money set aside for anything, because setting money aside is something my family seems incapable of doing. 

It is frustrating to watch them waste money knowing they could and should be more responsible with it.

I frequently have mixed feelings when someone I know hits a large unanticipated expense and can’t pay for it. It sucks and I want to empathize, but most of the time they have been living on the financial edge for years and spending as if there would be no bad days. Often these are my aquiantances that tease me for being a ‘cheap-ass’ who can afford to own a fancier car/house/boat/whatever.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel.

To take it one level higher these people have also asked me for money to help pay for their kids travel sports and their kids school trip to NYC. I am sympathetic to a fundraiser for poor kids that would not be able to go. However, when the parents are making 200K to 300K/year combined, the fundraiser rubs me the wrong way. 

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Re: Why get something for free when you can buy it?
« Reply #52 on: July 28, 2021, 09:12:12 AM »
And in a shocking turn of events the sister in question is having flooding problems in her basement and may need to have her sewer lines replaced.  It totally sucks, and I feel bad for her, but she is bitching about money now and doesn't have any money set aside for the repair.  Or any money set aside for anything, because setting money aside is something my family seems incapable of doing. 

It is frustrating to watch them waste money knowing they could and should be more responsible with it.

I frequently have mixed feelings when someone I know hits a large unanticipated expense and can’t pay for it. It sucks and I want to empathize, but most of the time they have been living on the financial edge for years and spending as if there would be no bad days. Often these are my aquiantances that tease me for being a ‘cheap-ass’ who can afford to own a fancier car/house/boat/whatever.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel.

To take it one level higher these people have also asked me for money to help pay for their kids travel sports and their kids school trip to NYC. I am sympathetic to a fundraiser for poor kids that would not be able to go. However, when the parents are making 200K to 300K/year combined, the fundraiser rubs me the wrong way.

They ask for money like the parents approach you and say “hey can you spare some cash?” Or they participate in fundraisers where the kids are theoretically supposed to be selling something to raise money?  Two very different things.  The income level of the parents has no relevance on the latter, IMO.

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Re: Why get something for free when you can buy it?
« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2021, 02:01:26 PM »
And in a shocking turn of events the sister in question is having flooding problems in her basement and may need to have her sewer lines replaced.  It totally sucks, and I feel bad for her, but she is bitching about money now and doesn't have any money set aside for the repair.  Or any money set aside for anything, because setting money aside is something my family seems incapable of doing. 

It is frustrating to watch them waste money knowing they could and should be more responsible with it.

I frequently have mixed feelings when someone I know hits a large unanticipated expense and can’t pay for it. It sucks and I want to empathize, but most of the time they have been living on the financial edge for years and spending as if there would be no bad days. Often these are my aquiantances that tease me for being a ‘cheap-ass’ who can afford to own a fancier car/house/boat/whatever.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel.

To take it one level higher these people have also asked me for money to help pay for their kids travel sports and their kids school trip to NYC. I am sympathetic to a fundraiser for poor kids that would not be able to go. However, when the parents are making 200K to 300K/year combined, the fundraiser rubs me the wrong way.

They ask for money like the parents approach you and say “hey can you spare some cash?” Or they participate in fundraisers where the kids are theoretically supposed to be selling something to raise money?  Two very different things.  The income level of the parents has no relevance on the latter, IMO.

I disagree, personally. We were incredibly thankful when our JFL coach informed the parents that, if they weren't comfortable doing the fundraiser, they could simply write a check to cover their kids' costs. I absolutely hate having my kids go door to door, selling useless chatchkies that no one needs, simply to fund their sports when we can afford to just pay for their equipment, etc. I wish all sports teams would do that!

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Re: Why get something for free when you can buy it?
« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2021, 10:43:01 AM »
On the topic of paying for free things... This is why I've never understood why people won't use the library and insist on buying books. Outside of a very few obscure references/books or people who like to collect books, why would anyone ever pay for books if there's a library nearby?
We do both.  My wife makes the trek to the public library every few weeks, and we also have a well-curated 12 feet of floor-to-ceiling bookshelves.  The public library is for books that are read-once, or that our kids enjoy but aren't worth having around (grrrr, "graphic novels"), or movies or shows that we'll watch once.  Our private library is for stuff that gets read repeatedly, or that we want to have continuous access to.  Everything from board books on the bottom shelf, Clifford, the Bearenstein Bears, and Dr Seuss on the second shelf, up to Magic Treehouse, to the Boxcar Children, to Harry Potter, Septimus Heap, Fablehaven, etc, all the way up to Dickens, Shelley, Dumas, McKinley, Rand, Tolkien, Asimov, etc on the upper shelves.  We have non-fiction shelves, too!  My wife is very deliberate about which books are permitted to stay.

And it's awesome.  On a lazy Sunday afternoon, I can wander in and peruse my shelf of hand-me-down fantasy and sci-fi books from the 60's, 70's, and 80's (Andre Norton, Gordon Dickson, Harry Harrison, Alan Dean Foster, David Eddings), or an Alistair MacLean thriller, curl up on the sofa, and let the book transport me into a whole other world.

At least, for the two minutes I get before my kids interrupt.

Do what our dog and I have been doing this summer: get up at 5:30AM and sit on the porch. Dog patrols the yard (we live in the country) before parking herself on the porch next to me. I sip ice water and read for ~45 mins. Rest of the house is asleep. Mostly cool and quiet at that hour.

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Re: Why get something for free when you can buy it?
« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2021, 11:33:36 AM »
And in a shocking turn of events the sister in question is having flooding problems in her basement and may need to have her sewer lines replaced.  It totally sucks, and I feel bad for her, but she is bitching about money now and doesn't have any money set aside for the repair.  Or any money set aside for anything, because setting money aside is something my family seems incapable of doing. 

It is frustrating to watch them waste money knowing they could and should be more responsible with it.

I frequently have mixed feelings when someone I know hits a large unanticipated expense and can’t pay for it. It sucks and I want to empathize, but most of the time they have been living on the financial edge for years and spending as if there would be no bad days. Often these are my aquiantances that tease me for being a ‘cheap-ass’ who can afford to own a fancier car/house/boat/whatever.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel.

To take it one level higher these people have also asked me for money to help pay for their kids travel sports and their kids school trip to NYC. I am sympathetic to a fundraiser for poor kids that would not be able to go. However, when the parents are making 200K to 300K/year combined, the fundraiser rubs me the wrong way.

They ask for money like the parents approach you and say “hey can you spare some cash?” Or they participate in fundraisers where the kids are theoretically supposed to be selling something to raise money?  Two very different things.  The income level of the parents has no relevance on the latter, IMO.

At the end of the day, it's an opinion. I don't think there can be a right or wrong. However, I am surprised that you don't think the income level of the parents is an important variable.

In my personal example, I have experienced fund raisers for kids on food stamps and fundraisers for kids who have parents that make 800K/year combined.

When I was a kid, the local little league would do fundraisers so poor kids that couldn't afford the $100 registration fee could still participate. I think they also gave out gloves, but not bats. These kids are poor. They are on food stamps. 

I have a friend that emailed me a link to wire him money for his kids softball travel team.  He called it a fundraiser. The travel team is around $5000. It costs money to rent fields, in-door practice facilities, hotels, airline tickets and gas.

When someone is directly asking you for money, I think there is a fundamental difference between an in-house league that costs $100 and a travel team that costs $5000. 

My wife's sister verbally asked us to donate to her step-daughters trip to NYC. She asked us to log onto to the school website, enter her step-daughters name and electronically deposit money. This was also called a fundraiser. The 8th grader has two sets of parents because her parents are divorced. Within her two sets of parents, they probably make around 800K/year combined.

I personally believe that it's more appropriate to have a fundraiser for a kid that is on food stamps with parents that work minimum wage jobs and are on food stamps vs. another kid who has two sets of parents that make a combined income of 800K/year.  However, in the end, it's just my opinion.

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Re: Why get something for free when you can buy it?
« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2021, 12:41:40 PM »
My opinion is that no matter the parents’ income, it’s good to encourage kids to get involved with fundraising for their activities. My daughter is big into cheerleading; they offer a choice, either write an extra check for $150 or sell X amount of whatever. We could easily write the check, but instead make my daughter call her (wealthy) grandparents and sell to them, sell to some local neighbors who are never shy about selling to us, etc. Makes her realize that this stuff doesn’t come free.

That being said, selling to raise money is very different than point blank asking for money (which I wouldn’t do) and we try to make sure she has some involvement in selling even if we also sell (I.e. I hang her Girl Scout cookie sheet outside my office door in normal times if anyone’s interested)
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Re: Why get something for free when you can buy it?
« Reply #57 on: August 09, 2021, 04:52:42 PM »
On the topic of paying for free things... This is why I've never understood why people won't use the library and insist on buying books. Outside of a very few obscure references/books or people who like to collect books, why would anyone ever pay for books if there's a library nearby?

I'm lucky enough that our borough's library performs 4 levels above its weight class (based on our borough's size). It's won national awards for quality in its population category. That library is part of a county-wide system. And that county system is part of a state-wide system. If there's a book or DVD in almost any public library in the state that is allowed to circulate, I can request to borrow it. Do it all online. I pick them up at my local library and return them there. If I want to access a book that's NOT allowed to circulate, they ship it to my library and I use it on the premises.  It's such a wonderful perk. Now, books related to my hobby get purchased because I want them ever at hand.

And that's without even getting to what I can access for free online through the library site - D&B, Udemy, Consumer Reports, WSJ, etc.  Different libraries subscribe to different online resources, but I can use my county library card at any county library site to get to all options. If Springfield doesn't have online access to Morningstar but North Washington does, I can just go to North Washington's library site, and use my card number there to use Morningstar.

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Re: Why get something for free when you can buy it?
« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2021, 07:15:41 PM »
I love the library. And I would have tried the free ice cream (but not eaten myself into a food coma).

Close to the original story that inspired this thread, I was once frustrated on a road trip with a relative when we pulled over for lunch at a Subway. In line we figured out that each we wanted a six-inch version of the same sandwich. I suggested that we buy a 12-inch version of the sandwich and split it, since that would be cheaper than two six-inch sandwiches. This did not compute. "But I want my own sandwich..." Not worth arguing about, but it irritated me.

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Re: Why get something for free when you can buy it?
« Reply #59 on: August 10, 2021, 08:23:45 AM »
I love the library. And I would have tried the free ice cream (but not eaten myself into a food coma).

Close to the original story that inspired this thread, I was once frustrated on a road trip with a relative when we pulled over for lunch at a Subway. In line we figured out that each we wanted a six-inch version of the same sandwich. I suggested that we buy a 12-inch version of the sandwich and split it, since that would be cheaper than two six-inch sandwiches. This did not compute. "But I want my own sandwich..." Not worth arguing about, but it irritated me.

Ha! 

Right now my friend is at a mechanic paying $100 to get her car inspected.  They do that at the DMV for free.