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Title: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: BlueHouse on January 09, 2020, 12:50:41 PM
What's the worst thing anyone has ever said to you when trying to sell you something?

In 1998, a Toyota salesman said to me "Maybe this is just too much car for you"   It infuriated me then and it still does today!  Needless to say, I walked out of that dealership and bought the same car from a different place.


Is there anything that still sticks in your craw? 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Malcat on January 09, 2020, 01:09:38 PM
Bank Teller: "wow, you have a lot of money in your chequing account" (probably over 10K at the time, and for good reason)

Me: "yeah, I know"

Bank Teller: "Have you considered opening an RESP for your kids?"

Me: *coldly* "I don't have kids"

Bank Teller: "Well maybe not yet!"

Me: "No, no kids, ever"

Bank Teller: *in a sing song voice* "Oh you never know"

Me: *coldly* "No, no kids, ever. I do know, I medically can't have kids"

Bank Teller: *big smile* "What about adoption??"

Me: *shooting lasers from my eyes*
"What about you ending this really inappropriate series of questions and tellinf whatever manager who is pressuring you to sell RESPs that they need to train their staff on ways in which it might totally fucking backfire?"

Bank Teller: "um...I'll get that money order ready for you"

Me: *in a sickeningly sweet voice* "awe, thanks, I appreciate it"
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: bacchi on January 09, 2020, 01:17:24 PM
A Honda salesperson wouldn't let me test drive an S2000 with: "We don't think you can afford it." I went back the next day and talked with another salesperson and was told, condescendingly, "And what did Jack [the other salesdick] say to you?"

I bought a sports car down the street. I thought about mailing them a pic of the car in my driveway with "Your loss, assholes" written on it but it was too much trouble.

Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Villanelle on January 09, 2020, 01:28:43 PM
Recently I was getting a pedicure (got a gift certificate) and the lady was trying to upsell everything.  Manicure, haircut, leg wax, eyebrow wax, lip wax. When she got to that last one she added, "You really need!". 

Needless to say, I won't be returning!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Malcat on January 09, 2020, 01:32:44 PM
Recently I was getting a pedicure (got a gift certificate) and the lady was trying to upsell everything.  Manicure, haircut, leg wax, eyebrow wax, lip wax. When she got to that last one she added, "You really need!". 

Needless to say, I won't be returning!

I once had a waxer say "now you will be able to get a boyfriend!"
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: OtherJen on January 09, 2020, 01:39:24 PM
Bank Teller: "wow, you have a lot of money in your chequing account" (probably over 10K at the time, and for good reason)

Me: "yeah, I know"

Bank Teller: "Have you considered opening an RESP for your kids?"

Me: *coldly* "I don't have kids"

Bank Teller: "Well maybe not yet!"

Me: "No, no kids, ever"

Bank Teller: *in a sing song voice* "Oh you never know"

Me: *coldly* "No, no kids, ever. I do know, I medically can't have kids"

Bank Teller: *big smile* "What about adoption??"

Me: *shooting lasers from my eyes*
"What about you ending this really inappropriate series of questions and tellinf whatever manager who is pressuring you to sell RESPs that they need to train their staff on ways in which it might totally fucking backfire?"

Bank Teller: "um...I'll get that money order ready for you"

Me: *in a sickeningly sweet voice* "awe, thanks, I appreciate it"

Ugh, childless shaming is the worst. I once had to sit through that during a haircut. I suppose I could have left, but the stylist was already halfway done. Needless to say, I never went back to that salon.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Hula Hoop on January 09, 2020, 01:54:14 PM
When I was in my 20s, I went into a Sephora to get my makeup done and buy a lipstick.  The saleswomen who was doing my makeup said "do you use concealer?" and I replied "no" and she said "what?  with eye bags like yours you HAVE to wear concealer!!"  I walked out of the store and didn't buy anything.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Freedomin5 on January 09, 2020, 02:24:24 PM
This happened to my dad. He was in a outdoor/home improvement type store looking at lawn equipment. When the salesperson approached him, he indicated that he was interested but needed to consult his wife (my mom) first. The salesperson’s reaction was, “Aw, c’mon, you don’t need to consult the old ball-and-chain. Be a man and make your own decision.”

Wrong thing to say to my dad, who lives by the adage, “Happy wife, happy life.”

Dad went on a mini-lecture about the need to respect women and especially your partner in life, then walked out of the store.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Wrenchturner on January 09, 2020, 02:44:06 PM
Lol this all reminds me of "negging" from the pick-up-artist community.  I wonder if it works...

I generally avoid salespeople whenever possible.  I hate when people try to persuade me.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: wellactually on January 09, 2020, 03:45:32 PM
My husband had lost a bunch of weight and no longer fit into his suit when pretty suddenly he had both a job interview the expectation of a family funeral. We were saving up for our downpayment then and not interested in spending much as he uses a suit 1-2x a year.

Went to Mens Warehouse...

Me: We're looking for a gray suit and don't want to spend over $200.

Young Salesman: Great! Let me bring you over here to our 2 for $500 sale and we'll find you something.

Not only was that twice the suits we need, the cost per suit was 25% higher than our budget for one suit!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on January 09, 2020, 03:58:28 PM
Ooh, the car salespeople!! At one point we were looking at Subarus and VWs for a 4-door car. My husband purposefully parked our G35 down the street so they wouldn’t see what we were driving and make assumptions about what we could afford.

We test drive a used Outback and I liked the form factor but thought it handled like crap. I was trying to ask what they had that was upscale of the standard outback for better handling and the guy wasn’t very receptive. I pointed to the STI (or something) nearby and asked about test driving that. His shocked and condescending reply was something to the effect that this was a $30k car!

Dude, you let me worry about how much something costs. Your job is to try to sell me something. When I say I didn’t like the way the car I test drive handled, suggest something that handles better. Grrr

We bought a VW and I still drive one today. A GTI, as it so happens, and I love how it handles.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: JLee on January 09, 2020, 04:02:43 PM
This thread reminds me of when a good friend went car shopping a few years back - he was interested in something tech-y and efficient, or something fast (nevermind he already had a Viper RT10). He looked at a C-Max Energi (plug-in hybrid) and then asked about an Edge -- the sales manager had a bit of a haughty is like "well, that's in a different price class."

I mentioned to him today that maybe he should find something to test drive at that dealer again just so he can show up in his 2020 Tesla Model 3 Performance, lol.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: TrMama on January 09, 2020, 04:19:22 PM
The appliance salesman who creepily touched my arm and said, "You don't want one of those cheap stoves, buy one of these," while gesturing with the other hand to the more expensive stoves. This particular appliance store keeps the lighting dim and the sales staff all wear suits. There were no other customers in the store.

Needless to say I don't even step foot in that store anymore. I also make sure to tell everyone who asks why we don't just buy our appliances from the store just down the street from our house.

On the other end of the spectrum DH and I once had a bank investment sales person compare us to Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie in that spy movie they did together. DH and I both have security related careers and had a recent windfall. Now, I like to think we're not completely hideous, but DH and I are a looong way from being mistaken for super spies who look like Brad and Angelina. She was laying it on a tad thick.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: SwordGuy on January 09, 2020, 05:41:16 PM
Back when my wife and I were dirt poor, living in a very cheap, poorly maintained apartment, we were trying to put together a bid on a statewide system for every technical college in the state.  We had written and installed software in 4 of them individually, so we had a decent chance at it.   I rated our chances at between 5 and 10% simply because we were so small, but the field was more wide open back then.

The city we lived in had a major flood and the office building we worked out of flooded before the DEC salesrep came to visit, so we had him meet in our apartment.   (No such thing as coffee shops in the town at that time!).   DEC was the 2nd largest computer company at that time, second to IBM.

He takes one look at the place and decides he's wasted his time driving up from the big city.   I can see him try to figure out a way to professionally and graciously exit.

So, he says, "Well, organizations like to buy from the biggest vendors and you're pretty small."

I riposted with, "Well, DEC is a whole lot smaller than IBM and you seem to win a fair bit of business."

So, he tried another approach.  "Well, to make this deal work, you would need a pretty substantial line of credit."

I replied, "That makes sense.  What kind of number are we talking about?"

He answered, "Two to three million dollars."

I picked up the phone and called by business partner in this.   "Hey, Tom.   The DEC rep says we need a line of credit for two to three million to make this deal work."    Tom replies and I sign off.   "Ok.   We can do that."

He looks at me, absolutely stunned.   He realizes I'm dead serious.    I've really got that line of credit lined up.  He stammers out, "Can I have that number?"

That was sweet.

And, in the sweet irony of fate competition, I enter this from the last 3 weeks:

We have a net worth of $2.7M, debt of $167K (to be $145K before the end of the month), and an income of $95k to $100k plus another $60K using the 4% rule.   

We were told for the last few weeks by a mortgage lender that we didn't have enough income for a $230K mortgage ($110K down payment) for a new home.    We've got enough in stocks, bonds and cash to buy 4.2 of these homes for cash, but we don't have enough income.   

They finally figured out this evening that we qualify for the loan.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: mm1970 on January 09, 2020, 06:06:20 PM
The car people...

When I bought my first car, I was 21, almost fresh out of college and in the Navy (a few weeks away), shopping for a used car.  My price point back then was $5 to $7000.

First place I stopped, the smarmy old guy tried to sell the "little lady" a 10 year old Ford for $2300.  I mentioned that I was looking for something a little newer and better maintained, as I was moving to the "big city".  He kept pushing that car, so we left.

Next place, found a 2 year old Escort that had basically been owned by an older lady and had less than 10,000 miles on it.  Bought it.  3 weeks later, first guy asks if I want the car?  I say  no, I bought a newer car from someone else.  "Well, can you cancel it?  I'm sure we can work something out."  Buh bye.


The only other issues I have had is with mechanics of various kinds.  When my electronics went out on my old Saturn, I told the mechanic "I think it's electrical, because this is what happened."  They poo-pooed me, but what do you know, I was right!  Duh.

Then when we wanted to upgrade our house from wall heater + central AC (WHY would you do that?) to central heat + AC, every.single.heating/AC guy said over the phone "oh, I'm sure that's not what you have."  Then they do an inspection "huh."  Look dude, we've been living here for 2 years.  The heat comes out of the wall.  The AC comes out of the vents on the ceiling...
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: better late on January 09, 2020, 06:24:27 PM
Recently I was getting a pedicure (got a gift certificate) and the lady was trying to upsell everything.  Manicure, haircut, leg wax, eyebrow wax, lip wax. When she got to that last one she added, "You really need!". 

Needless to say, I won't be returning!

I once had a waxer say "now you will be able to get a boyfriend!"

Making me think of the anjelah Johnson stand up routine about the nail salon
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: SwordGuy on January 09, 2020, 06:40:24 PM
Forgot this episode until just now!

I was a consultant for a consulting firm.  I was on the bench (i.e., not employed by a customer) and a company had advertised a free seminar on the web.  This was back when the web was new and I hadn't done any web projects.  So a colleague and I, also on the bench that day, went to the seminar.

As I walked into the room I saw that all the tables were in rows with a central aisle.   The salesperson met us at the door and asked us to go to the front-most row and move to the seats farthest from the aisle so it would be easier for people coming after us to be seated.    It was a very reasonable request.

Except.

I quietly told him, "I'm on some medication that makes me very thirsty, so I've been drinking a lot of fluids.  I may have to step out a time or two to the restroom, so we'll just set next to the wall on the back row, so I won't disrupt anyone."

He didn't look happy about it but didn't push the topic.

We sat down in the back and he went back up to the front of the room.   Then he spoke to me from the front of the room, "You know, if I had a bladder problem like you do, I would..."      I have no idea what was at the back of that sentence because all I noticed was EVERY . SINGLE . PERSON in the audience turn around and stare at me.  And he concluded with, "... would you do something."

I have to say, my interest in making that particular fellow happy about anything was pegged about as low as things get.

My friend was just staring at the salesman, mouth agape, because he simply couldn't believe someone was that completely clueless.

After we left the seminar (it was useless), I called his company and insisted that I speak to a manager.  I related the experience.   When I got to what the salesman said, I heard the person on the other end of the line gasp in horror.   

"You've convinced me you understand that wasn't appropriate behavior.  I'm not asking you to fire the guy but I would sure advise you give him better training!"
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: TartanTallulah on January 09, 2020, 09:56:55 PM
Many years ago, I got quotes for replacement windows in my house from several companies including a large national one. The large national company salesman quoted more than double the amount of a small local firm. When I mentioned this, the salesman said, "When you got the quote from the small local firm the owner probably came round himself in his work van. OUR company directors are driving around in Lamborghinis and don't see customers."

Well, thank you for offering me the opportunity to spend an extra few months of my salary to subsidise your company directors' flash cars. And goodbye.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Sandi_k on January 09, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
Three different car salesguys, different dealerships, years apart.

1) Told him I was interested in a Mazda 323 hatchback, with a manual transmission. He went to the back lot, and came back with an Oldsmobile station wagon, about twice the length of the requested Mazda. Plus...automatic transmission.

2) Told me that MSRP was the dealer cost for the car in question.

3) Asked me what color I wanted to test drive.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Monerexia on January 09, 2020, 09:59:19 PM
Payroll service, "it's only a few dollars more to do it monthly." Yeah, let's go with quarterly, homecut.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: PMG on January 09, 2020, 10:04:38 PM
Several years ago, I, a young professional woman in my mid 20’s was doing yard work outside my home when a local politician walked up campaigning. He described his opponent as a “little girl” who was too young to know anything, especially about county government, and claimed her career as an accountant wasn’t relevant at all to the work.

Thanks dude. You’re right. Now I know who to vote for.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Hunny156 on January 10, 2020, 10:38:41 AM
I was on a business trip with a co-worker, and we had some downtime in between meetings.  She wanted to hit the local stores, so I tagged along.  The shops were more of the high end variety, so in each one, she cruised the clearance rack.  She was a lovely older woman who had recently lost a lot of weight, and in one store, the sales person decided to bring her clothes to try on, and not from the clearance rack.  My co-worker obliged her, and when she came out of the fitting room, I could see she was uncomfortable, b/c this outfit was skin tight, extremely short, and really something inclined for a much younger person to wear.  Not to mention way out of her budget, but she had some self esteem issues, so she probably would have bought the outfit just to not be rude!

Not w/me around.  I complimented her on how great her shape looks, and how I (at least 25 years younger), could never pull that off, go you!  She smiled, and whispered that she didn't know what she'd wear it to.  I conceded the point and said that perhaps she should look at something that she felt more comfortable in.  I saw the look of relief come over her face, when the sales person stepped in and said she'd find something to wear it to, she really should buy it!  I looked around, and of course, we were the only people in the store.  I told the sales person that it was my co-worker's choice, and she wanted to look at something else, thank you.  The sales person sneered at me, and said that my fashion advice wasn't helping her.  I was shocked, and I called her out on it.  EXCUSE ME?  You are being very RUDE!  She asked my opinion and I gave it to her.  It's none of your business.  The sales person continued on w/this horrible sales tactic, informing me that she used to design clothes for a living, and that my simple, floral dress was way too long for my frame (it was knee length), and commented on the elastic at the sleeves were horrible design, b/c they cut off my arms.  I laughed, b/c this is one of those dresses that I always got complimented on every time I wore it.  She continued on w/her tirade of criticism, and I finally cut her off and said that I don't think she'll be earning any commissions if her strategy is to insult people and what they are wearing.  She sneered and said something about all the sales she makes, and I looked around at the still empty store and said I could see that, given by the line of people out the door to see her.

My poor co-worker was horrified, so she quickly changed back into her regular clothes, and we left that store, and had a good laugh about it.  Not shockingly, by the time we went back there for another trip 6 months later, the store was out of business.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: jps on January 10, 2020, 11:02:19 AM
Many years ago, I got quotes for replacement windows in my house from several companies including a large national one. The large national company salesman quoted more than double the amount of a small local firm. When I mentioned this, the salesman said, "When you got the quote from the small local firm the owner probably came round himself in his work van. OUR company directors are driving around in Lamborghinis and don't see customers."

Well, thank you for offering me the opportunity to spend an extra few months of my salary to subsidise your company directors' flash cars. And goodbye.

This reminds me. I got a few window quotes year, a national company and a local outfit. like you, the national company was twice the cost of the local guys.

The national guy was really trying to sell me on how good of a warranty they had, and said multiple times: "you can have a sledgehammer party with all of your windows if you want, and we'll replace them for free. Just make sure to invite me!"

I thought to myself, thanks for letting me know that I'd be paying for the windows twice over if I buy them from you.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: OtherJen on January 10, 2020, 11:09:32 AM
Before we put a "No Soliciting" sign on our door, we used to receive calls from salesmen. I would answer the door and respond that I wasn't interested. More than a few times, the salesman would then ask to talk to the homeowner: "Is he home?". Uh, yeah dude, you're talking to her right now (we are co-owners). Bye.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on January 10, 2020, 11:13:33 AM
"Hon", especially I ask the person to stop calling me that.

It goes double if they touch or grab any part of my body and won't stop touching me after I ask them to stop. I haven't yet escalated to an uppercut but I do grab the offender's hand, forcibly remove it, and bend the wrist in a way that causes intense discomfort while repeating my request..
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: 2sk22 on January 10, 2020, 11:36:00 AM
This happened to my dad. He was in a outdoor/home improvement type store looking at lawn equipment. When the salesperson approached him, he indicated that he was interested but needed to consult his wife (my mom) first. The salesperson’s reaction was, “Aw, c’mon, you don’t need to consult the old ball-and-chain. Be a man and make your own decision.”

Wrong thing to say to my dad, who lives by the adage, “Happy wife, happy life.”

Dad went on a mini-lecture about the need to respect women and especially your partner in life, then walked out of the store.

Similar thing happened to me - went to a Ford dealer to test drive a car. After the test drive, the salesman wanted me to sign on the spot. I told him no, I would need to talk to my wife first. He replied: "Who wears the pants in your family?"

I walked right out without saying another word.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: AerynLee on January 10, 2020, 11:38:47 AM
"Women prefer automatics" - Car salesman to my mom who specifically asked for a manual. Probably because they didn't have any in stock

I was at a dealership when I was semi-sorta shopping for a new car because mine was getting old, I don't remember why I was there because they didn't have anything specific that I wanted to look at. But the salesman asked what I wanted in a vehicle; small, manual, fuel efficient, bonus if it has something kinda quirky like an unusual color.
"We have a small SUV that's slime green, that's the actual color name. I'll bring it around"
Comes back with a very un-quirky blue-grey, automatic Scion XB. The tag on the key fob says "blue" for color. I pass without driving it
Later he calls me about another SUV they have in stock. I delete the voicemail and never go back to a dealership unless I was looking at a specific car
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: economista on January 10, 2020, 12:16:20 PM
The realtor hired by the builder for the new home I just bought. We went into the sales office after touring with our realtor and deciding that we wanted to purchase and he started trying to explain how home ownership works and I cut him off and said it would the second time I bought a house, I understand how it all works, etc. Then a little while later he made a comment about how DH and I would be doing an FHA loan since it we were so young and didn't have a full down payment - I got really irritated at that and said no, we would be doing a conventional mortgage and once again, it wasn't my first time buying a house (you can only do FHA if you are a first time home buyer). We also explained to him that I needed to get all of the emails and communication because 1) I'm the one who manages our finances and 2) DH is visually impaired so its just easier for me to do all of the reading and stuff. Then the proceeded to only write down DH's email and phone number, only communicate with him, and make TONS of condescending remarks that made me feel like he thought I was a 1950s housewife, not the breadwinner of our family.

Honestly if we hadn't exhausted every other option and been 100% committed to buying that house, I would've walked away. I was so happy the day we closed and I didn't have to deal with him anymore.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: honeybbq on January 10, 2020, 12:16:46 PM


We were told for the last few weeks by a mortgage lender that we didn't have enough income for a $230K mortgage ($110K down payment) for a new home.    We've got enough in stocks, bonds and cash to buy 4.2 of these homes for cash, but we don't have enough income.   

They finally figured out this evening that we qualify for the loan.

I've had to fight this fight several times. As medical professionals in a small field, when we need new jobs we typically switch states and have had to do so several times. Each time, we are technically unemployed when we move, although we have contracts and starting dates in our new city.

One one of our moves, we had found a house and gotten into a contract so that we could move in one swoop without doing a temporary housing deal. When it came to close, the mortgage company starting being a-holes about job verification. Supplying our 2x 6 figure employment contracts were not enough, nor that we were putting 40% down, nor that both our FICO scores are in the 800s, and we are medical professionals... this is our field works. I basically had to threaten to go to their direct competitor before they finally said ok. We were supposed to send them our paystubs after we started work but I never did.  Screw them.

And guess what, never went with them for a mortgage again!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: jinga nation on January 10, 2020, 12:18:10 PM
At a car stealership in summer 2019, waiting for them to bring the hybrid and the hatchback I wanted to test drive (purchasewas for my wife). It's raining outside and roads to my home are choked up.

So I see the boy-racer car, ask if I can also drive this. They said no. I'm dressed in jeans and polo short, work in IT, I think I fit a buyer profile. They said I can't afford it, it's a manual that I can't drive, I'm not the right category for the car, I'm old (I'm almost 41, mofos, I can ride a bicycle 42 miles without supplements, I'm decently fit, how dare you call my gym-loving ass old).

I said, I learnt to drive a column-shifter manual tranny truck in Africa at 16, I earn 4X the gross price of the car, and I don't think a young kid straight out the local community college would qualify for a loan on it. Plus now that you age-discriminated, I want to talk to your manager's boss. Plus, I have been recording on audio this entire conversation.

Next thing... I get to drive it, drive the other two too.

Wife and I make decision to purchase the hybrid. We haggle over email with salesman at a rival dealership. A month later after the purchase, nasty stealership still calls my Google number trying to get a sale.

I hate stealerships and lot vultures; I wish there was a way to test-drive without dealing with the BS.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: honeybbq on January 10, 2020, 12:27:54 PM

I hate stealerships and lot vultures; I wish there was a way to test-drive without dealing with the BS.

Carmax.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Panly on January 10, 2020, 12:53:58 PM
"Don't you want my meat?"

Ugly prostitute in a somewhat interesting disco.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: honeybbq on January 10, 2020, 12:56:25 PM
"Don't you want my meat?"

Ugly prostitute in a somewhat interesting disco.

Is it a hotdog or a bologna sandwich?
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: jinga nation on January 10, 2020, 03:00:15 PM

I hate stealerships and lot vultures; I wish there was a way to test-drive without dealing with the BS.

Carmax.

Nope. 2 experiences there. 2 diff locations. They don't haggle. And they push hard to buy extended warranty, harder than your average stealership. Carmax doesn't have latest models. I deal with car purchases once per year, minimum, mostly for friends and relatives, most want a new car.
Don't believe their marketing "clean-cut, no haggle" hype. They're tripe.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: honeybbq on January 10, 2020, 03:32:22 PM

I hate stealerships and lot vultures; I wish there was a way to test-drive without dealing with the BS.

Carmax.

Nope. 2 experiences there. 2 diff locations. They don't haggle. And they push hard to buy extended warranty, harder than your average stealership. Carmax doesn't have latest models. I deal with car purchases once per year, minimum, mostly for friends and relatives, most want a new car.
Don't believe their marketing "clean-cut, no haggle" hype. They're tripe.

I really don't understand your post. You want a no haggle test drive? Carmax offers it.

I've bought 2 cars from Carmax. Never pushed a warranty at all. Their inventory obviously varies by what people sell. I wanted 3-4 year old cars and there were plenty. If you want a "new" car with no haggle test drives, then, yeah, I got nothing for you. But many people on MMM don't by brand new.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: spartana on January 10, 2020, 03:56:22 PM
"Hon", especially I ask the person to stop calling me that.

It goes double if they touch or grab any part of my body and won't stop touching me after I ask them to stop. I haven't yet escalated to an uppercut but I do grab the offender's hand, forcibly remove it, and bend the wrist in a way that causes intense discomfort while repeating my request..
LOl. I once called you "adorable" and have since had to sulk around nervously waiting for my imminent death by ninja throwing stars ;-).

The "Hon" et al stuff by sales people is pretty rampant so I now tune it out. The touch thing though....grrr. I'm pretty vocal about that.

As for the OP I just don't know where to start. Pretty much every sales person and repair person for anything assumes I don't know anything even after I tell them I do. Especially anything mechanical or trades related or firearms related. I sometimes feel like I've spent a big part of my life getting my head patted and being told not to worry about it, they know what's best for me even if I am more skilled and knowledgeable then they are. Grrr.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: bacchi on January 10, 2020, 04:14:44 PM
Many years ago, I got quotes for replacement windows in my house from several companies including a large national one. The large national company salesman quoted more than double the amount of a small local firm. When I mentioned this, the salesman said, "When you got the quote from the small local firm the owner probably came round himself in his work van. OUR company directors are driving around in Lamborghinis and don't see customers."

Well, thank you for offering me the opportunity to spend an extra few months of my salary to subsidise your company directors' flash cars. And goodbye.

This is bizarre. Do people really choose a company that way? It must be some form of "success follows success" belief.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: marty998 on January 10, 2020, 04:22:06 PM
Many years ago, I got quotes for replacement windows in my house from several companies including a large national one. The large national company salesman quoted more than double the amount of a small local firm. When I mentioned this, the salesman said, "When you got the quote from the small local firm the owner probably came round himself in his work van. OUR company directors are driving around in Lamborghinis and don't see customers."

Well, thank you for offering me the opportunity to spend an extra few months of my salary to subsidise your company directors' flash cars. And goodbye.

This is bizarre. Do people really choose a company that way? It must be some form of "success follows success" belief.


The most you could say is that it’s a refreshing bout of honesty from a salesman.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Christof on January 10, 2020, 04:33:24 PM
What's the worst thing anyone has ever said to you when trying to sell you something?

Are your parents home?

A sales person greeted me this way when he rang the bell and I opened the door to our home being in my early thirties. No, they aren‘t and I closed the door. To this day I have no idea what he was trying to sell us.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Villanelle on January 10, 2020, 05:06:12 PM

I hate stealerships and lot vultures; I wish there was a way to test-drive without dealing with the BS.

Carmax.

Nope. 2 experiences there. 2 diff locations. They don't haggle. And they push hard to buy extended warranty, harder than your average stealership. Carmax doesn't have latest models. I deal with car purchases once per year, minimum, mostly for friends and relatives, most want a new car.
Don't believe their marketing "clean-cut, no haggle" hype. They're tripe.


Interesting.  I bought a car at Carmax a bit less than a year ago, and it was a wonderful experience.  they did mention the extended warranty, but I said no and that was it.  It was a wonderful experience and I will most likely seek them out again next time I am in the market for a car.

Yes, they don't haggle.  That's in their marketing that you say not to believe.

If these people want to make the bad decision of buying brand new cars, well then yes, Carmax wouldn't work for that.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: GuitarStv on January 11, 2020, 07:28:43 AM
"Imagine how this car will CHANGE your LIFE!!!"
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: js82 on January 11, 2020, 07:41:27 AM
Yesterday I set up an appointment to get my car's brakes looked at.  Had new pads and rotors installed a couple months ago, and I'm pretty sure one of my rear brakes has been intermittently rubbing (occasional burning smell strongest near rear wheels, reduced fuel economy) since then.

I got a number of suggestions that could have led to anything from them doing nothing ("It's normal to see lower fuel economy during the winter") to a bunch of unnecessary maintenance ("you recently replaced the fuel pump, the fuel economy could be an issue with that"):


No, when I said I'm pretty sure I have a brake rubbing, it means I want you to look at my damn brakes and make sure they're not rubbing before I shred my pads/rotors to the extent that I need ANOTHER set of new brakes.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Tris Prior on January 11, 2020, 09:48:41 AM
Recently I was getting a pedicure (got a gift certificate) and the lady was trying to upsell everything.  Manicure, haircut, leg wax, eyebrow wax, lip wax. When she got to that last one she added, "You really need!". 

Needless to say, I won't be returning!

I had so many hairstylists try and sell me body/facial hair removal services with condescending statements about how badly I needed them, that I eventually stopped even going for haircuts because I'd leave the salon feeling like a hideous troll. I was lucky enough to find a friend of a friend who does hair and NEVER lists what is wrong with my appearance now.

Boyfriend used to go to Supercuts or similar for his cuts, and one time they told him he was desperately in need of a brow shaping. He declined, came home, and asked me, "what's a brow shaping?" So, I guess, good to know that this isn't a thing that only happens to women now?
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Tris Prior on January 11, 2020, 10:05:41 AM
Oh! Oh! I have another really bad example of stylist negging that I literally just remembered. It was a long time ago.

I went in to a new stylist - a guy who's really well known in my city and has a great reputation. My friend who has great hair goes there.

I sit down in his chair, he starts fooling with my hair as we discuss what I want.... and he flat out REFUSES to give me a haircut.  "Because your hair is in such poor condition, even if I give you a great cut it still won't look good. And that will reflect badly on me and my reputation when people ask you who does your hair."

WTF.

He also made some shaming comments to me about "well, clearly you don't intend to stop dyeing your own hair at home with box dye anytime soon" and when I explained I couldn't afford to have it done at a salon he just sneered at me and rolled his eyes.

He used this opportunity to sell me about $60 worth of hair-repair products, which I am deeply ashamed to admit that I bought, because I was so embarrassed. Today I would tell him exactly where he could stick those hair care products and walk out, possibly after giving him the finger.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on January 11, 2020, 10:22:21 AM
I’ve had people try to do the up sell like that. In for a haircut and get the hard sell on eyebrows, in for eyebrows and get the hard sell for other facial waxing. Finally when I was pregnant and self conscious of how I was now even more hairy due to hormones I did try facial waxing and threading. Unfortunately my skin broke out in massive hives, but I have to say that after everything went to normal, I felt more confident and less self conscious having a normal amount of facial furriness.

Now I wax at home with little strips from the drugstore. Not as well done but if I do only a bit at a time my skin stays calm.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Villanelle on January 11, 2020, 10:27:44 AM
Recently I was getting a pedicure (got a gift certificate) and the lady was trying to upsell everything.  Manicure, haircut, leg wax, eyebrow wax, lip wax. When she got to that last one she added, "You really need!". 

Needless to say, I won't be returning!

I had so many hairstylists try and sell me body/facial hair removal services with condescending statements about how badly I needed them, that I eventually stopped even going for haircuts because I'd leave the salon feeling like a hideous troll. I was lucky enough to find a friend of a friend who does hair and NEVER lists what is wrong with my appearance now.

Boyfriend used to go to Supercuts or similar for his cuts, and one time they told him he was desperately in need of a brow shaping. He declined, came home, and asked me, "what's a brow shaping?" So, I guess, good to know that this isn't a thing that only happens to women now?

My husband goes to an old-school barber shop and haircuts are pretty cheap for the area.  The place has a very dive vibe, is cash only, and given our location, I wouldn't be surprised if George Washington got hair cuts there.  IOW, it is NOT fancy.  I think they may only do men's cuts.  Anyway, the first time he came home, I kept telling him how great the haircut was.  I couldn't put my finger on it, but he looked GREAT!  Later that evening, he mentioned that he'd never had anyone trim his brows before, and I realized that was it!  They just did a couple quick snips with scissors, not extra charge.  But I hated to admit how much of a difference it made!

As for women's salons, I don't entirely mind if they ask.  "We have waxing services, if you are interested, and if you add a manicure to the pedicure you get 10% off both."  Or whatever.  And then when I say, "No thank you, just the pedicure, please," they need to STFU.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ambimammular on January 11, 2020, 12:03:27 PM
When I hear, "you deserve it!" the hair on the back of my neck goes up.

Rando salesperson, you don't know me! I could be a cat-kicking, trash-littering, online-troll psychopath.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Not There Yet on January 11, 2020, 12:48:44 PM
"You deserve it" or "Get the ______ you deserve!" are big red flags to me that a scam attempt is in progress.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Tris Prior on January 11, 2020, 01:12:37 PM


As for women's salons, I don't entirely mind if they ask.  "We have waxing services, if you are interested, and if you add a manicure to the pedicure you get 10% off both."  Or whatever.  And then when I say, "No thank you, just the pedicure, please," they need to STFU.

Asking like that is fine. That's their job, to sell. "OMG, your eyebrows are sooooo overgrown, do you EVER do anything to them? Let me take care of that for you right now, you really need it, they look awful" is not fine.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Omy on January 11, 2020, 01:15:04 PM
My mother opened the door to a salesman when I was 5 or so. Salesman says "Your daughter is so cute. She must look like her father." My mother told him he should work on his sales dialogue and closed the door.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: MilesTeg on January 11, 2020, 01:16:50 PM
Once when buying a car:

Finance drone: here's our wonderful extended warranty
Me: no thanks
Finance drone: don't you want to protect your purchase?
Me: I'm fine
Finance drone: oh well if cost is the problem, I can do you a favor and give you these coupons I was saving for my son. I think you need them more.
Me: <can't help but chuckle> thanks but no thanks, I'm sure your son will enjoy them.

She was not pleased her 'favor' was not graciously accepted. I wonder how many times 'her son's coupons' were given away?

Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Imma on January 11, 2020, 01:30:10 PM
We also explained to him that I needed to get all of the emails and communication because 1) I'm the one who manages our finances and 2) DH is visually impaired so its just easier for me to do all of the reading and stuff. Then the proceeded to only write down DH's email and phone number, only communicate with him, and make TONS of condescending remarks that made me feel like he thought I was a 1950s housewife, not the breadwinner of our family.

Honestly if we hadn't exhausted every other option and been 100% committed to buying that house, I would've walked away. I was so happy the day we closed and I didn't have to deal with him anymore.

Same, but we were first time buyers, I was 24 with a law degree and the guy was the mortgage broker. My s/o was even out of the country and he still kept e-mailing and calling him. Everytime I got in touch with him regarding one thing or another, he would immediately contact him to confirm or for follow-up questions.

We got tired of that so we found someone else. I e-mailed him the news and he called my s/o - who was by now back from his trip and standing next to me - that I had 'tried' to fire him, we can't just do that, what about all the work he put in, what about his commission? My s/o is a no-nonsense guy so he got a polite but very clear answer and eventually ended the call when the guy kept complaining. We filed a complaint with his boss and later heard from a coworker of his that we knew that we weren't the only ones and that he was fired.

The new mortgage broker was a stereotypical smooth sales guy, who spent way too much time in the gym and under a sun bed, but he quickly identified our needs: we wanted a particular mortgage, asap, and I'm the contact person. He adapted his sales technique to that and secured the deal very quickly. That's how a good salesperson works and I would certainly work with this guy again.

(As a first time buyer it's really difficult to get a mortgage without a broker but I would try to bypass one next time)
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: SwordGuy on January 11, 2020, 02:10:43 PM
We've bought 5 cars from two different CarMax dealers and never had a bad experience.   Nothing pushy, nothing sleazy, no haggling.   
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Nederstash on January 11, 2020, 05:14:40 PM
My mother opened the door to a salesman when I was 5 or so. Salesman says "Your daughter is so cute. She must look like her father." My mother told him he should work on his sales dialogue and closed the door.

Holy crap, I felt that in my soul. That's a burn and a half.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Omy on January 11, 2020, 05:27:29 PM
I know, right?!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on January 11, 2020, 07:14:41 PM
This was at a restaurant that we went to regularly, once a month kind of thing. Anyway, the chicken I ordered was undercooked in one part. I didn't send it back but I did inform the waiter when they cleared the plates. Later when we were paying and hadn't asked for a discount or mentioned the chicken at all, the maitre'd said 'and by the way, the chicken was not undercooked'. I said it was and he went off on a rant about their chef having 8 years experience blah blah. We left and never went back.

Another time I was trying on coats in an expensive store. The snooty sale woman sneered at me when I mentioned that I wasn't prepared to spend $1700 on a coat. She took ALL of the coats I was trying, including the much cheaper ones and told me to come back when I was "feeling a bit more financial". She lost a sale, because I bought one of the coats I had tried on but from a different store.

And then there's the story of when I was at the counter in a store waiting to buy a dress and it occurred to me that I had entered the store, browsed for 20 minutes, tried on multiple dresses and made it to the counter without once being acknowledged by the staff. I left the dress on the counter and exited.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: OtherJen on January 11, 2020, 07:55:02 PM
Oh, I hate the complete lack of acknowledgement by staff. Husband and I got that in two different local restaurants while on date nights last summer. Sure, we don’t flash obvious wealth symbols, but we’ve both worked in food service and tip 20% as a baseline (more for good service). Both times, we walked out and gave our money to better staffed businesses.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: englishteacheralex on January 11, 2020, 10:58:47 PM
My favorite story is when we were in the middle of buying a Samsung washing machine and the salesguy was trying to talk us into an extended warranty, which we never buy. "It's a Samsung, so you really should get an extended warranty, because Samsungs SUCK."

We just looked at each other and started cracking up right in front of the guy, who didn't understand what we thought was so funny. We actually knew Samsung washing machines had less than stellar reputations, but we had to buy one to fit the dryer because they were stackable. It was cheap ($500; this was before the tariffs) and we figured even if it didn't last super long we'd be ok. Also our credit card gives us a year warranty after the year manufacturer's warranty, so...

Anyway it was pretty funny.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: RWTL on January 12, 2020, 06:23:26 AM
My son (around 10 at the time) and I went to an RV dealer to look around the lot - really just to get an education on what types, etc.  About 10 minutes after looking at one, the salesman says "we ready to go start the paperwork?"  I said no, we're not buying anything today - and that we're happy to look around on our own - and we'd bring my wife back when we're ready to make a decision. 

He says, "You're what we call a one-legger.  You can't do anything without your spouse."

It became a good discussion for my son on what to say to people and how not to talk to people.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Malcat on January 12, 2020, 07:12:51 AM
Oh, I hate the complete lack of acknowledgement by staff. Husband and I got that in two different local restaurants while on date nights last summer. Sure, we don’t flash obvious wealth symbols, but we’ve both worked in food service and tip 20% as a baseline (more for good service). Both times, we walked out and gave our money to better staffed businesses.

I get this all the time because I look young, dress like a university student, and carry an old backpack. Virtually no one ever talks to me when I'm browsing.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on January 12, 2020, 01:10:21 PM
Are there seriously people out there who do things like it a car or an RV without involving a spouse? Or are car salesmen somehow all hatcher from a 1950s time capsule?
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Omy on January 12, 2020, 01:31:57 PM
I once had a client who was going to surprise his wife with an expensive new house. I talked him out of it because I would have been quite upset if DH did such a thing without my involvement.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: spartana on January 12, 2020, 01:56:10 PM
Are there seriously people out there who do things like it a car or an RV without involving a spouse? Or are car salesmen somehow all hatcher from a 1950s time capsule?
Couples who may have seperate or partially seperate finances probably do. I did. But in our case we were living a thousand miles apart because of our jobs but I wouldn't think it was weird even if we lived together and I (or he) was buying and paying for it from non-joint funds.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on January 12, 2020, 02:46:40 PM
Fair enough. Clearly I mistakenly assume joint finances for married couples since that is how we run our lives.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: spartana on January 12, 2020, 03:29:20 PM
Fair enough. Clearly I mistakenly assume joint finances for married couples since that is how we run our lives.
It probably helps when you are both very frugal and assume your spouse isn't going to run out and buy the shiny new yacht, quit his job and run off to Fiji ;-). Since we did the yours, mine and ours with the "ours" part for joint purchases and joint investments, the your and mine, after individual investments, was each persons to do with as they wanted.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: imadandylion on January 12, 2020, 03:32:55 PM
When browsing a furniture shop when looking for sofa ideas:

Shop clerk: "It's better to invest in something that'll last for a long time." *Looks down at my boots* "Like those boots probably won't last for long, but if you invest in something good quality it will."

(My boots looked great, were a good brand, and have lasted for years with good care, so just goes to show what she knows!)
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: prudent_one on January 12, 2020, 07:55:18 PM
I hate to pile on car salespeople but I once was offered the chance to buy a relative's car as he was trading it in on a new model, which he did frequently using the same salesperson every time. I was happy to buy it as my clunker was on death row, and told my relative to let me know when he was ready.  Next thing I know, he calls and says to give Joe at City Motorworks a call, he has the car and is waiting for me to go get it. My poor unknowing relative traded it in (for a pretty low number) and simply assumed Joe would sell it to me for the same price.

So I go to see Joe and Joe praises my relative up and down as a great man, blah, blah. He's ready to do paperwork! I spot that the price is $2K above what the trade-in value was and question it. Well, Joe explains there was all kinds of work to do to make it ready for me, tires had to be replaced, oil change, full detailing, and as a special favor he will give me the CPO warranty since he likes my relative so much.

I said let me call my relative and ask if that was the price I was supposed to pay and Joe looked panic-stricken but I ignored that. My relative was astounded that I would be asked to pay a dollar more than the trade-in value. I hung up with my relative and said my relative wants me to go over to his house to discuss it. All of a sudden Joe realizes that Dan, that stupid guy in some other department, actually put their markup on the work they did which was COMPLETELY WRONG and I was supposed to only pay dealer cost. Ended up getting the tires/oil change for a Walmart-ish price which I could live with, no charge for the CPO warranty and we did the deal. Then Joe explains I'm going to get a survey from the mfg and please, please, please only give him 5 stars because last year he lost out on a $5K bonus when the last customer of the year only gave him 2 stars, and if I'm not going to give 5 stars, then call Joe and see how they can make me happy enough so I want to give 5 stars. It was so obvious the lost bonus story was made up BS.

I gave him 2 stars, never saw him again.

My son (around 10 at the time) and I went to an RV dealer to look around the lot - really just to get an education on what types, etc.  About 10 minutes after looking at one, the salesman says "we ready to go start the paperwork?"  I said no, we're not buying anything today - and that we're happy to look around on our own - and we'd bring my wife back when we're ready to make a decision. 

He says, "You're what we call a one-legger.  You can't do anything without your spouse."

It became a good discussion for my son on what to say to people and how not to talk to people.
Are there seriously people out there who do things like it a car or an RV without involving a spouse? Or are car salesmen somehow all hatcher from a 1950s time capsule?

I believe the vast majority of people involve spouses when making big financial decisions, but the question is just another sales tactic. I have no doubt there are times it works - imply the guy isn't allowed to decide by himself, and some customers will end up buying without realizing they might have done it just to assert their masculinity.   Sales tactics are very sophisticated these days. Not foolproof, but I believe the tactics that often annoy people work better than the old school method of understanding customer needs and working to satisfy them.  Consumers might have driven that shift by treating price as the issue that overrules every other consideration. So the sales business has become a form of psychological warfare.   That doesn't mean that every salesperson has mastered the techniques, we can see plenty of examples of that in this thread!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: JAYSLOL on January 12, 2020, 09:30:03 PM
Once when buying a car:

Finance drone: here's our wonderful extended warranty
Me: no thanks
Finance drone: don't you want to protect your purchase?
Me: I'm fine
Finance drone: oh well if cost is the problem, I can do you a favor and give you these coupons I was saving for my son. I think you need them more.
Me: <can't help but chuckle> thanks but no thanks, I'm sure your son will enjoy them.

She was not pleased her 'favor' was not graciously accepted. I wonder how many times 'her son's coupons' were given away?

I had the warranty gal try really hard to get me to buy one for the Hyundai I bought used a few years ago, I think originally they wanted almost $4k for a 3 year thing, I was like hell no, that’s way too much, and they eventually lowered it by almost half, but I didn’t budge.  The final attempt to get me into it was “we’re offering this to you at cost, you can always just put it on a credit card”.  Not a chance. 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ctuser1 on January 12, 2020, 10:10:16 PM
Once when buying a car:

Finance drone: here's our wonderful extended warranty
Me: no thanks
Finance drone: don't you want to protect your purchase?
Me: I'm fine
Finance drone: oh well if cost is the problem, I can do you a favor and give you these coupons I was saving for my son. I think you need them more.
Me: <can't help but chuckle> thanks but no thanks, I'm sure your son will enjoy them.

She was not pleased her 'favor' was not graciously accepted. I wonder how many times 'her son's coupons' were given away?

I had the warranty gal try really hard to get me to buy one for the Hyundai I bought used a few years ago, I think originally they wanted almost $4k for a 3 year thing, I was like hell no, that’s way too much, and they eventually lowered it by almost half, but I didn’t budge.  The final attempt to get me into it was “we’re offering this to you at cost, you can always just put it on a credit card”.  Not a chance.

GEICO offers the MBI. https://www.geico.com/auto-insurance/mechanical-breakdown-insurance/
This is just like warranty with a $250 deductible, just way cheaper. It covers the car till 100k miles or 7 years, whichever is earlier. On my last $35k minivan, it is currently $27.90 for 6 months.
(I have switched to GEICO specifically to get this. I had Amica and was very happy with them otherwise.)

I have purchased two new cars so far - one 12 years ago and one 3 years ago. Both times, when the warranty was pushed - I told them "GEICO gives me MBI for 7 years for $390. Why do you charge 5 times that"?

Both times, the paperwork guy at the dealership commented how quickly we were done after we made short work of the warranty/etching/waxing etc. etc. salesperson.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: GreenEggs on January 12, 2020, 11:10:45 PM
Once when buying a car:

Finance drone: here's our wonderful extended warranty
Me: no thanks
Finance drone: don't you want to protect your purchase?
Me: I'm fine
Finance drone: oh well if cost is the problem, I can do you a favor and give you these coupons I was saving for my son. I think you need them more.
Me: <can't help but chuckle> thanks but no thanks, I'm sure your son will enjoy them.

She was not pleased her 'favor' was not graciously accepted. I wonder how many times 'her son's coupons' were given away?

I had the warranty gal try really hard to get me to buy one for the Hyundai I bought used a few years ago, I think originally they wanted almost $4k for a 3 year thing, I was like hell no, that’s way too much, and they eventually lowered it by almost half, but I didn’t budge.  The final attempt to get me into it was “we’re offering this to you at cost, you can always just put it on a credit card”.  Not a chance.

GEICO offers the MBI. https://www.geico.com/auto-insurance/mechanical-breakdown-insurance/ (https://www.geico.com/auto-insurance/mechanical-breakdown-insurance/)
This is just like warranty with a $250 deductible, just way cheaper. It covers the car till 100k miles or 7 years, whichever is earlier. On my last $35k minivan, it is currently $27.90 for 6 months.
(I have switched to GEICO specifically to get this. I had Amica and was very happy with them otherwise.)

I have purchased two new cars so far - one 12 years ago and one 3 years ago. Both times, when the warranty was pushed - I told them "GEICO gives me MBI for 7 years for $390. Why do you charge 5 times that"?

Both times, the paperwork guy at the dealership commented how quickly we were done after we made short work of the warranty/etching/waxing etc. etc. salesperson.




That's good to know about.  Thanks for mentioning it. 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: economista on January 13, 2020, 08:17:26 AM

And then there's the story of when I was at the counter in a store waiting to buy a dress and it occurred to me that I had entered the store, browsed for 20 minutes, tried on multiple dresses and made it to the counter without once being acknowledged by the staff. I left the dress on the counter and exited.

This would be my dream come true. I absolutely hate talking to strangers and I hate when every 10 minutes a new sales person comes up and asks me if I need help. I am firmly on the side of "I will shop on my own and if I need help I will approach you - you don't need to approach me."
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Kris on January 13, 2020, 08:30:39 AM

And then there's the story of when I was at the counter in a store waiting to buy a dress and it occurred to me that I had entered the store, browsed for 20 minutes, tried on multiple dresses and made it to the counter without once being acknowledged by the staff. I left the dress on the counter and exited.

This would be my dream come true. I absolutely hate talking to strangers and I hate when every 10 minutes a new sales person comes up and asks me if I need help. I am firmly on the side of "I will shop on my own and if I need help I will approach you - you don't need to approach me."

Me, too. If I got to the counter and realized that, it would be a strong incentive for me to go back to that store again in the future.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Tris Prior on January 13, 2020, 08:35:20 AM


This would be my dream come true. I absolutely hate talking to strangers and I hate when every 10 minutes a new sales person comes up and asks me if I need help. I am firmly on the side of "I will shop on my own and if I need help I will approach you - you don't need to approach me."

This. If the salespeople are too in my face, I will leave no matter how much I need the item in question.
I know they are just doing their jobs, and, having worked retail myself in the past, I try not to get angry at them in specific about it. But, it stresses me out so I generally just give them a polite "no thank you" and leave.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: PMG on January 13, 2020, 10:23:42 AM


This would be my dream come true. I absolutely hate talking to strangers and I hate when every 10 minutes a new sales person comes up and asks me if I need help. I am firmly on the side of "I will shop on my own and if I need help I will approach you - you don't need to approach me."

This. If the salespeople are too in my face, I will leave no matter how much I need the item in question.
I know they are just doing their jobs, and, having worked retail myself in the past, I try not to get angry at them in specific about it. But, it stresses me out so I generally just give them a polite "no thank you" and leave.

A greeting is nice. I don't want help shopping.  I want left alone to browse.  But I need prompt service at the register.  I'm not going to wait around or try to find an employee to pay. 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Just Joe on January 13, 2020, 12:15:21 PM

I hate stealerships and lot vultures; I wish there was a way to test-drive without dealing with the BS.

Carmax.

Nope. 2 experiences there. 2 diff locations. They don't haggle. And they push hard to buy extended warranty, harder than your average stealership. Carmax doesn't have latest models. I deal with car purchases once per year, minimum, mostly for friends and relatives, most want a new car.
Don't believe their marketing "clean-cut, no haggle" hype. They're tripe.

I thought CarMax specialized in used vehicles... Didn't know they ever handled new cars.

We bought our last car from CarMax. An hour one evening and test drive. No haggle. You get what you see. Return it in a week if you don't like it. Short term warranty for free (90 days?).

Then we returned the second evening and completed the paperwork. I handed them a cashier's check.

Car was spotless inside and out. Troublefree since then too. They put it on the rack so I could inspect it from below. No pressure to buy warranties or undercoating or paint protections.

Price worked out to be a little under KBB/NADA prices for our area.

The dealers for that brand had prices $4K-$5K more and they would no haggle over the phone or email. Price was fixed until we visited. Wasn't worth the hassle to drive an hour or two to see who was more stubborn - the dealer sales staff or me.

I'll look at CarMax again first next time.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Just Joe on January 13, 2020, 12:19:25 PM
Yesterday I set up an appointment to get my car's brakes looked at.  Had new pads and rotors installed a couple months ago, and I'm pretty sure one of my rear brakes has been intermittently rubbing (occasional burning smell strongest near rear wheels, reduced fuel economy) since then.

I got a number of suggestions that could have led to anything from them doing nothing ("It's normal to see lower fuel economy during the winter") to a bunch of unnecessary maintenance ("you recently replaced the fuel pump, the fuel economy could be an issue with that"):


No, when I said I'm pretty sure I have a brake rubbing, it means I want you to look at my damn brakes and make sure they're not rubbing before I shred my pads/rotors to the extent that I need ANOTHER set of new brakes.

Stuck caliper. Either the caliper itself needs replacement or the hydraulic hose that leads to it from the chassis has collapsed inside (rubber disintegration) and is functioning as a check valve. Check to see what those parts cost from the auto parts store and then seek estimates for the repair. Shouldn't be much more than parts price and a couple of hours to repair @$60/hr or whatever their shop rate is.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: UndergroundDaytimeDad on January 13, 2020, 12:35:17 PM
These car stories are really painful, and I am still shocked that the general consumer still accepts this enough to perpetuate it.

Thankfully, I have been spared the opportunity to have more of my own stories as an old friend now works at a local dealership for the make of vehicle I recently purchased.  Called him up to tell him what I wanted.  When I came in to buy it, he told me that he already explained to his manager that I would not be talking to any finance people, or anyone else.  I wouldn't be buying any warranties or other coverage nonsense, they would just all leave me alone so he and I could sign the papers.  Was like a dreamland of normalcy that happened to involve car buying. 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Car Jack on January 13, 2020, 12:51:01 PM
So this is my 2 part time share story.  Back when we were first married, my wife and I would go on time share sales things to get the prizes when we'd go on vacation.

Part 1: We go through the entire sales thing, tour the place, all the things needed to get our "whatever it was" prize.  Down to the final questions and big sales push.  The sales guy asks the "yes" questions.  Starts with "If I could show you how you could actually save money with this time share, would you buy?".  I say no.  He just stops.  "So you have no intention of buying, no matter what?".  me: "That's right".  He then goes into his sob story about he's doing this for a living and we wasted his time and....  Of course we only went there because of the fliers to go to a short presentation to GET THE BIG PRIZE OF whatever it was.  He says "If you ever do another of these, please just tell them up front that you won't buy.

Part 2:  Same island, flier at the airport, different facility.  It touts that they'll pay taxi fee and whatever the prize was.  We go into the welcome booth.  A sales person comes out.  We're walking from the booth to start our tour and he starts with "If I could show you a way to save money on vacations, would you be interested?".  My answer.....no.  He stops and asks a couple other questions, then says "wait here".  He comes back with our voucher for a very nice restaurant and $10 in change to pay for the taxi.  He has the same complaint....."I do this for a living and you've wasted my time".  I can only guess that these clowns have to rotate as marks come in, like they do at car dealerships.  So now he has to wait through the rotation to get another chance to sell a worthless timeshare to the next sucker.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: DadJokes on January 13, 2020, 01:19:54 PM
So this is my 2 part time share story.  Back when we were first married, my wife and I would go on time share sales things to get the prizes when we'd go on vacation.

Part 1: We go through the entire sales thing, tour the place, all the things needed to get our "whatever it was" prize.  Down to the final questions and big sales push.  The sales guy asks the "yes" questions.  Starts with "If I could show you how you could actually save money with this time share, would you buy?".  I say no.  He just stops.  "So you have no intention of buying, no matter what?".  me: "That's right".  He then goes into his sob story about he's doing this for a living and we wasted his time and....  Of course we only went there because of the fliers to go to a short presentation to GET THE BIG PRIZE OF whatever it was.  He says "If you ever do another of these, please just tell them up front that you won't buy.

Part 2:  Same island, flier at the airport, different facility.  It touts that they'll pay taxi fee and whatever the prize was.  We go into the welcome booth.  A sales person comes out.  We're walking from the booth to start our tour and he starts with "If I could show you a way to save money on vacations, would you be interested?".  My answer.....no.  He stops and asks a couple other questions, then says "wait here".  He comes back with our voucher for a very nice restaurant and $10 in change to pay for the taxi.  He has the same complaint....."I do this for a living and you've wasted my time".  I can only guess that these clowns have to rotate as marks come in, like they do at car dealerships.  So now he has to wait through the rotation to get another chance to sell a worthless timeshare to the next sucker.

"I'm sorry that you choose to swindle people for a living."

I've never encountered any of these timeshare presentations. I guess I don't vacation in the right areas.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: zolotiyeruki on January 13, 2020, 01:52:09 PM
Not "said" per se, but a few months ago I had a few drywall contractors quote drywall/mud/tape for our basement.  One guy arrived...in an Escalade.  I was reminded of MMM's article where he talks about tradespeople who show up in a brand new F-150 vs a Honda Fit or a minivan or an older compact pickup.

As this guy walks up my driveway, my next door neighbor (female, early 30's, marathon runner) headed out for a run.  He gave her a ...significant glance, then gave me a knowing glance.  I gave him a stoneface in response.

I ended up going with the guys who showed up in an old minivan and bid $1000 less.

Quote
Starts with "If I could show you how you could actually save money with this time share, would you buy?".  I say no.  He just stops.  "So you have no intention of buying, no matter what?".  me: "That's right".
I gotta remember that one.  DW and I have only done the timeshare presentation thing once, and if we could save that poor salesguy a few hours of his time (and ours), I'd be delighted.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Vashy on January 13, 2020, 03:15:31 PM
I actually asked for an appointment with a security firm to look at alarm systems (after we got burgled). As usual, I'm the one meeting the salesfolks or builders, so this pimply twenty-year old boy in a really bad suit shows up and gives me the sales pitch. At this point I'm basically standing there, with cash in hand, ready to buy if the price is reasonable.

He goes: "... and one service is that we'll call your partner if you have an intruder in the house, and one of us will talk to you and calm you down..."

Me: "Do I look like somebody who needs to get calmed down?" (I'm towering over this guy)

He: "... and we'll make sure everything will be all right, so you don't have to be afraid..."

Me: "Mate, the only reason why you're standing in my kitchen drinking my tea is that I know enough martial arts to rip off your arm and beat you to death with it. I want a security system, not a nanny on the phone."

He: "... so are you happy to buy so you now longer have to be afraid?"

Me: "We're done here."

He really didn't understand why I showed him the door. (Other reason being was that he tried to scam me with a "Buy Now, Offer Is Only Valid While Our Guy Is With You" "Offer", so wouldn't let me compare quotes).
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on January 13, 2020, 03:19:27 PM

And then there's the story of when I was at the counter in a store waiting to buy a dress and it occurred to me that I had entered the store, browsed for 20 minutes, tried on multiple dresses and made it to the counter without once being acknowledged by the staff. I left the dress on the counter and exited.

This would be my dream come true. I absolutely hate talking to strangers and I hate when every 10 minutes a new sales person comes up and asks me if I need help. I am firmly on the side of "I will shop on my own and if I need help I will approach you - you don't need to approach me."

I'm talking basic acknowledgement - eye contact and a smile. It was like I was invisible, and there were staff there in the store.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: socaso on January 13, 2020, 03:34:44 PM
When we got engaged I had no expectation of a ring but my husband said I should have one. We decided to buy a stone and then have it set. I didn't want a diamond. We got the stone, took it to a jeweler and told him what we wanted. He said he could do it and I asked how much it would be. He gave me a smarmy smile and said, "YOU don't worry about the cost!" I told him they were our finances and it was absolutely my business.

When I told my mother the story she quietly asked, "Is he still alive?"
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: RetiredAt63 on January 13, 2020, 03:44:06 PM
When we got engaged I had no expectation of a ring but my husband said I should have one. We decided to buy a stone and then have it set. I didn't want a diamond. We got the stone, took it to a jeweler and told him what we wanted. He said he could do it and I asked how much it would be. He gave me a smarmy smile and said, "YOU don't worry about the cost!" I told him they were our finances and it was absolutely my business.

When I told my mother the story she quietly asked, "Is he still alive?"

I love your mother.

Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ms on January 13, 2020, 05:41:26 PM
When I told my mother the story she quietly asked, "Is he still alive?"

I love your mother.

+1
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on January 13, 2020, 06:24:37 PM
That made me smile also
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Smokystache on January 13, 2020, 07:26:54 PM


This would be my dream come true. I absolutely hate talking to strangers and I hate when every 10 minutes a new sales person comes up and asks me if I need help. I am firmly on the side of "I will shop on my own and if I need help I will approach you - you don't need to approach me."

This. If the salespeople are too in my face, I will leave no matter how much I need the item in question.
I know they are just doing their jobs, and, having worked retail myself in the past, I try not to get angry at them in specific about it. But, it stresses me out so I generally just give them a polite "no thank you" and leave.

A greeting is nice. I don't want help shopping.  I want left alone to browse.  But I need prompt service at the register.  I'm not going to wait around or try to find an employee to pay.

I don't expect that this will actually catch on, but I can dream:
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/22/04/8821090-6617575-image-a-12_1548131532311.jpg)
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: economista on January 14, 2020, 07:31:19 AM
@Smokystache - That is AMAZING!!!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: cupcakery on January 14, 2020, 07:53:46 AM
Two things that come to mind:

1.  Shortly after my husband and I got married we needed to replace my car.  We found a car we were interested in and sat down with the sales person.  He refused to speak with me.  I'd ask about safety features, he'd reply to my husband about the stereo system.  I'd ask about warranties, he'd tell my husband about the powerful engine.  Husband kept directing him back to my questions.  Finally, I reached in my purse held up my checkbook, and said, "I'm the one with the checkbook and since you won't talk to me, we're leaving."  His jaw hit the floor.  We drove down the street and bought a car that day at a different dealership.

2.  I work in a office building with a no soliciting sign on the front door and on the door to our suite.  Years ago, this guy came in and wanted to talk to me about how he could save our company money.  I said, "You don't have an appointment and we have two no soliciting signs that you ignored."  He replied with, "I'm not soliciting, I'm trying to help you save money!"  I told him we weren't interested and that he needed to leave the premises.  He condescendingly said, "You don't want to save your company money?!"  I said, "Nope, I don't.  Please leave."  LOL!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: RWD on January 14, 2020, 08:25:48 AM
2.  I work in a office building with a no soliciting sign on the front door and on the door to our suite.  Years ago, this guy came in and wanted to talk to me about how he could save our company money.  I said, "You don't have an appointment and we have two no soliciting signs that you ignored."  He replied with, "I'm not soliciting, I'm trying to help you save money!"  I told him we weren't interested and that he needed to leave the premises.  He condescendingly said, "You don't want to save your company money?!"  I said, "Nope, I don't.  Please leave."  LOL!

Could have responded with "I don't need help from someone who is illiterate!"
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: saguaro on January 14, 2020, 08:26:09 AM
When we got engaged I had no expectation of a ring but my husband said I should have one. We decided to buy a stone and then have it set. I didn't want a diamond. We got the stone, took it to a jeweler and told him what we wanted. He said he could do it and I asked how much it would be. He gave me a smarmy smile and said, "YOU don't worry about the cost!" I told him they were our finances and it was absolutely my business.

When I told my mother the story she quietly asked, "Is he still alive?"

I love your mother.

Love it!

Years ago DH and I needed to replace our Saturn that was on death's door.   We went to a dealer to check out one model we were discussing.  The dealership is located in a wealthy suburb and they were used to people walking in and paying cash, especially for Junior's first car.   While we had the cash, we didn't fit the wealthy stereotype to the salesperson, who obviously was not taking us seriously, we just didn't fit his typical wealthy customer profile I guess.   He mentioned in a rather condescending manner "I suppose you will have to finance this?".  We were "no, this is a cash sale" he laughed.  We walked out of there and bought elsewhere. 

Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: BlueHouse on January 14, 2020, 09:17:08 AM
On more than one occasion, when buying what would be a "family decision" by myself, I've been asked if I'm divorced.  The last time this happened was when I was buying my house (new build, from the developer) and meeting with the window treatment designer.  I asked if his question was driven by the thought that a woman couldn't possibly have earned enough on her own to qualify to purchase a somewhat expensive home in a HCOL area. 

He pretty much confirmed that was exactly what he was thinking.  I still bought the shutters from him because he was the only vendor that the developer was working with so he was allowed to install before closing. 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: iris lily on January 14, 2020, 09:27:03 AM
"Hon", especially I ask the person to stop calling me that.

It goes double if they touch or grab any part of my body and won't stop touching me after I ask them to stop. I haven't yet escalated to an uppercut but I do grab the offender's hand, forcibly remove it, and bend the wrist in a way that causes intense discomfort while repeating my request..

Not as bad, but  just last week I got the “young lady” treatment from someone in a grocery store. . One of these days I need to clue in these clueless guys that bringing attention to my age is not cool.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: cupcakery on January 14, 2020, 09:30:43 AM
2.  I work in a office building with a no soliciting sign on the front door and on the door to our suite.  Years ago, this guy came in and wanted to talk to me about how he could save our company money.  I said, "You don't have an appointment and we have two no soliciting signs that you ignored."  He replied with, "I'm not soliciting, I'm trying to help you save money!"  I told him we weren't interested and that he needed to leave the premises.  He condescendingly said, "You don't want to save your company money?!"  I said, "Nope, I don't.  Please leave."  LOL!

Could have responded with "I don't need help from someone who is illiterate!"

!!!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on January 14, 2020, 10:36:09 AM
What's the worst thing anyone has ever said to you when trying to sell you something?

Are your parents home?

A sales person greeted me this way when he rang the bell and I opened the door to our home being in my early thirties. No, they aren‘t and I closed the door. To this day I have no idea what he was trying to sell us.

My answer to that used to be: "They live in a different country, but feel free to call them and check."
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Villanelle on January 14, 2020, 11:15:38 AM
"Hon", especially I ask the person to stop calling me that.

It goes double if they touch or grab any part of my body and won't stop touching me after I ask them to stop. I haven't yet escalated to an uppercut but I do grab the offender's hand, forcibly remove it, and bend the wrist in a way that causes intense discomfort while repeating my request..

Not as bad, but  just last week I got the “young lady” treatment from someone in a grocery store. . One of these days I need to clue in these clueless guys that bringing attention to my age is not cool.


Someone I know (casual acquaintance, if I had to label it) uses "dear" and it makes me stabby.  We are approximately the same age--I'd guess I'm 3-4 years older and he absolutely knows my name.  "Can I get you a drink, Dear?"  shudder  He's a very nice guy, and I'm certain it's not intentionally condescending.  But... shudder
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: partgypsy on January 14, 2020, 12:04:29 PM
Not completely related but when I did a brief amount of internet dating, I had 2 hookups with this one guy. And- he kept pushing for more extreme stuff, which I said, I don't mind sexting about it, but I'm not going to do. And he kept bringing it up. To the point one day (when my Dad was visiting) that he was going to be at this hotel room, and for me to come, and I'll really enjoy it etc. And I texted back "nah" but you can tell me about it later. And he got pissed texted "you just don't want to enjoy yourself!" I texted lol and that was the end of the sexting. 
I don't think he realized the number of times that women have heard that line...
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: BECABECA on January 14, 2020, 12:14:06 PM
In our late 20s we were flying together and DW must have had her foot slightly in the aisle, as the flight attendant stepped on it. But she didn’t just step on it, she stepped on it and then gave it two kicks moving it well out of the aisle. We were quite surprised and it took us some discussion to figure out what that was all about. We settled on that she must have thought we were kids, as that would certainly not be something you would do to your paying customer but it might be something you’d do to a kid. When she came around with the beverage service we ordered cocktails and it confirmed our assessment: once she checked our IDs she was saccharin sweet to us the rest of the flight.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dave1442397 on January 14, 2020, 12:46:03 PM
What's the worst thing anyone has ever said to you when trying to sell you something?

Are your parents home?

A sales person greeted me this way when he rang the bell and I opened the door to our home being in my early thirties. No, they aren‘t and I closed the door. To this day I have no idea what he was trying to sell us.

My answer to that used to be: "They live in a different country, but feel free to call them and check."

Lol, that was exactly my answer to a few people when we first moved here.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on January 14, 2020, 03:04:06 PM
Not completely related but when I did a brief amount of internet dating, I had 2 hookups with this one guy. And- he kept pushing for more extreme stuff, which I said, I don't mind sexting about it, but I'm not going to do. And he kept bringing it up. To the point one day (when my Dad was visiting) that he was going to be at this hotel room, and for me to come, and I'll really enjoy it etc. And I texted back "nah" but you can tell me about it later. And he got pissed texted "you just don't want to enjoy yourself!" I texted lol and that was the end of the sexting. 
I don't think he realized the number of times that women have heard that line...

Gross, but familiar. The number of times I have "not wanted to enjoy myself" or even better "been afraid to really let go" or "not in touch with my sexuality". I love how men know me better than I know myself. It's such an endearing characteristic.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on January 14, 2020, 04:35:22 PM
Right, because women are totally incapable of enjoying ourselves without the help of a man..... ~eye roll~
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: TartanTallulah on January 14, 2020, 08:30:05 PM
Many years ago, I got quotes for replacement windows in my house from several companies including a large national one. The large national company salesman quoted more than double the amount of a small local firm. When I mentioned this, the salesman said, "When you got the quote from the small local firm the owner probably came round himself in his work van. OUR company directors are driving around in Lamborghinis and don't see customers."

Well, thank you for offering me the opportunity to spend an extra few months of my salary to subsidise your company directors' flash cars. And goodbye.

This is bizarre. Do people really choose a company that way? It must be some form of "success follows success" belief.


The most you could say is that it’s a refreshing bout of honesty from a salesman.

I suspect his judgment was so poor that he genuinely believed it might enhance the credibility of his company's windows in comparison to those installed by the one-person local business.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: The Guru on January 14, 2020, 08:47:43 PM
Two stories, both, not surprisingly, from car dealerships:

#1. Back in the 80s I had stopped in  to look at a particular car. Salesman asked me about my potential trade: "Is that a Plymouth whatever?"

Me: "No, it's the Dodge version of the Plymouth whatever".

Saleman: "Ah yeah, they're like n******s- they all look alike".

It should go without saying I didn't buy from that guy.


#2. My mom was in the market for a car; I was helping her but she couldn't find one she liked. One evening we were out for a ride and she saw one she was finally interested in. After the usual preliminary BS the salesman invited us to his office. On the corner of his desk was a Bible. I saw it; Mom saw it, but the salesman, apparently not willing to leave it to chance that we had in fact seen it said "Oh! There's my Bible! I wondered what blah blah blah some hogwash about loaning it to a co-worker who must have returned it blah blah blah!" Mom was a good Christian woman but  she was nobody's fool- she shot me a look that said "do you believe this bozo?" She told me on the way out "I was so mad I would have walked out if I didn't like that car so much". Nonetheless she eventually would buy the car; it was the last one she ever owned and served her well until the day she totalled it (thankfully though, not herself) and decided that it was time she gave up driving.

Love you, Mom.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Not There Yet on January 14, 2020, 09:15:01 PM
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After the usual preliminary BS the salesman invited us to his office. On the corner of his desk was a Bible. I saw it; Mom saw it, but the salesman, apparently not willing to leave it to chance that we had in fact seen it said "Oh! There's my Bible! I wondered what blah blah blah some hogwash about loaning it to a co-worker who must have returned it blah blah blah!"

Whenever I'm dealing with someone who makes a big point of making sure I know what a "Good Christian" he or she is, I make sure I have a tight grip on my wallet.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Just Joe on January 15, 2020, 08:55:58 AM
When we got engaged I had no expectation of a ring but my husband said I should have one. We decided to buy a stone and then have it set. I didn't want a diamond. We got the stone, took it to a jeweler and told him what we wanted. He said he could do it and I asked how much it would be. He gave me a smarmy smile and said, "YOU don't worry about the cost!" I told him they were our finances and it was absolutely my business.

When I told my mother the story she quietly asked, "Is he still alive?"

I love your mother.

Love it!

Years ago DH and I needed to replace our Saturn that was on death's door.   We went to a dealer to check out one model we were discussing.  The dealership is located in a wealthy suburb and they were used to people walking in and paying cash, especially for Junior's first car.   While we had the cash, we didn't fit the wealthy stereotype to the salesperson, who obviously was not taking us seriously, we just didn't fit his typical wealthy customer profile I guess.   He mentioned in a rather condescending manner "I suppose you will have to finance this?".  We were "no, this is a cash sale" he laughed.  We walked out of there and bought elsewhere.

Stories like these makes me think a well adjusted person might make a killing selling cars. Everyone seems to have dealt with an off the wall weird sales person at some time or another.

I'll second the religion/business crossover. I avoid those folks too. That said, the best roofer I've ever used is an example of a religion/business crossover. Does good work and is priced right.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Xlar on January 15, 2020, 09:06:31 AM
When we got engaged I had no expectation of a ring but my husband said I should have one. We decided to buy a stone and then have it set. I didn't want a diamond. We got the stone, took it to a jeweler and told him what we wanted. He said he could do it and I asked how much it would be. He gave me a smarmy smile and said, "YOU don't worry about the cost!" I told him they were our finances and it was absolutely my business.

When I told my mother the story she quietly asked, "Is he still alive?"

I love your mother.

Love it!

Years ago DH and I needed to replace our Saturn that was on death's door.   We went to a dealer to check out one model we were discussing.  The dealership is located in a wealthy suburb and they were used to people walking in and paying cash, especially for Junior's first car.   While we had the cash, we didn't fit the wealthy stereotype to the salesperson, who obviously was not taking us seriously, we just didn't fit his typical wealthy customer profile I guess.   He mentioned in a rather condescending manner "I suppose you will have to finance this?".  We were "no, this is a cash sale" he laughed.  We walked out of there and bought elsewhere.

Stories like these makes me think a well adjusted person might make a killing selling cars. Everyone seems to have dealt with an off the wall weird sales person at some time or another.

I'll second the religion/business crossover. I avoid those folks too. That said, the best roofer I've ever used is an example of a religion/business crossover. Does good work and is priced right.

I think you'd find that the reason that car sales people keep using these tactics is because they are effective on most people. That's why they are so surprised when us Mustachians don't fit the typical mold and get upset. When the average person gets insulted by the sales person they then feel that they have to prove them wrong.

So when the sales person says that there's no way you could afford this car they respond by buying the car to prove them wrong...

Or when the sales person criticizes you for wanting to discuss with your wife and insults your masculinity, the average person responds buy buying the car to prove what a tough man they are...

It is a little crazy to say the least.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Just Joe on January 15, 2020, 09:19:12 AM
Thankfully most of us are made from a different recipe. I would not want to be susceptible to those kinds of tactics. I also wouldn't want to treat people like that day after day and live with myself.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: slugline on January 15, 2020, 09:41:01 AM
Whenever I'm dealing with someone who makes a big point of making sure I know what a "Good Christian" he or she is, I make sure I have a tight grip on my wallet.

Yeah, you don't want the ones that tell you they're Christian by their words. You want the ones that show you they're Christian by their actions.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: BlueHouse on January 15, 2020, 10:11:54 AM
Whenever I'm dealing with someone who makes a big point of making sure I know what a "Good Christian" he or she is, I make sure I have a tight grip on my wallet.

Yeah, you don't want the ones that tell you they're Christian by their words. You want the ones that show you they're Christian by their actions.
Or muslim.  or jewish.  or atheist. 
No offense to your beliefs, but what does religion have to do with business?  Christianity does not corner the market on ethical behavior.  Right about now, I'd say they're probably in last place in the USA.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on January 15, 2020, 10:28:15 AM
If I’m in the market to buy a car I’d quite frankly prefer to leave religion entirely out of it and just interact with an honest, normal person.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: BlueHouse on January 15, 2020, 11:59:13 AM
So many bad car stories! 

I once had a hairdresser (at a cheap budget-cuts place) squeal "Oh my god, WHOOOO cut your hair?"  I took great pleasure in saying "It was you, why do you ask?" 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: BECABECA on January 15, 2020, 12:31:05 PM
So many bad car stories! 

I once had a hairdresser (at a cheap budget-cuts place) squeal "Oh my god, WHOOOO cut your hair?"  I took great pleasure in saying "It was you, why do you ask?"

Ha, I had that same thing happen to me! After getting really tired of dealing with awkward hair dresser commentary while getting my once a year cut, I decided to start cutting my own hair and haven’t looked back!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: prudent_one on January 15, 2020, 02:45:21 PM
I work in a office building with a no soliciting sign on the front door and on the door to our suite.  Years ago, this guy came in and wanted to talk to me about how he could save our company money.  I said, "You don't have an appointment and we have two no soliciting signs that you ignored."  He replied with, "I'm not soliciting, I'm trying to help you save money!"  I told him we weren't interested and that he needed to leave the premises.

Years ago I worked on the 1st floor of our company building. There was a security guard at the entrance 24/7. One day I'm at my desk and a guy walks in holding a brochure for some type of cookware and tries to get me to buy a set. The sets are boxed up in his car, I can take it home today!  Took him back to the lobby and sent him out the door, then asked the security guard how some itinerant salesperson got past him. He said, "He told me he had left something in your office earlier and just needed to run back and get it, so I didn't think I should disturb you for that." I guess that tactic has worked before?

Beyond that weird part, what could possibly be the success rate of trying to sell sets of cookware to people at work?  Is there anyone who might say "Cool, this saves me a trip to Target after work!"
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: AMandM on January 15, 2020, 03:37:59 PM
Years ago I got a visit from a door-to-door frozen food salesman offering me a "terrific deal" on a package of meat and seafood, allegedly enough to feed my family for a month for $150. There was a glossy brochure with gorgeous pictures of lobsters, roast beef, etc. I said, "Let me save you some time. I shop very carefully, and I never pay more than $2 a pound for meat. Does your package meet that price?"

"Ma'am, I don't sell my meat by the pound."

"I understand that, but what does the unit price work out to? Because if it's more than $2/lb, it's not in my budget."

He starts trying to tell me this was a gourmet service, not a grocery store. Meanwhile the kids have got hold of the brochure and are saying things like, "Mama, it says there's three meals of pork chops but there's only six pork chops!" and "I think this chicken costs $8 a pound." Except for the 5yo, who was confused; I found out later she thought the "one fifty" price meant $1.50 and she couldn't understand why I didn't snap it up.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: slugline on January 15, 2020, 03:40:13 PM
Whenever I'm dealing with someone who makes a big point of making sure I know what a "Good Christian" he or she is, I make sure I have a tight grip on my wallet.

Yeah, you don't want the ones that tell you they're Christian by their words. You want the ones that show you they're Christian by their actions.
Or muslim.  or jewish.  or atheist. 
No offense to your beliefs, but what does religion have to do with business?  Christianity does not corner the market on ethical behavior.  Right about now, I'd say they're probably in last place in the USA.

I actually don't think we're that far apart on this. I'm specifically casting suspicions on those businesspeople who call attention to their religious affiliation upfront as a selling point before they've done anything.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: CodingHare on January 15, 2020, 04:07:58 PM
I can add onto the horrible car dealership stories.

Husband has tracked down the perfect truck for him, lightly used Tacoma that's only three years old.  We test drive, it looks good.  Wrangle a deal with the sales guy--stage one.

Move to the Finance Lady, who is a saccharine as the sugar plum fairy... to my husband.  When I try to look at the paperwork on the overwrought warranty she's trying to sell my husband, SHE SNATCHED IT OUT OF MY HANDS.  Every time I asked a question, she refused to answer and started talking up the warranty to my husband.

Luckily husband saw all this and asked for some privacy.  In the 60 seconds she left us alone, we reaffirmed that the dealer warranties are for idiots, and if we really think the truck is going to hell in handbasket within 5 years, why are we paying the price premium that even used Tacomas command?

Finance Lady was not happy that we refused all warranties.  Suddenly she couldn't speed us out of that room fast enough, and no more small talk either.

Other highlights:  "You know if you manage to pay it off early, like in 4 or 5 years..."  Husband and I just looked at each other and laughed.  She was not amused.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Not There Yet on January 15, 2020, 04:39:52 PM
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I actually don't think we're that far apart on this. I'm specifically casting suspicions on those businesspeople who call attention to their religious affiliation upfront as a selling point before they've done anything.

This is a common tactic in affinity fraud - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_fraud
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Cassie on January 15, 2020, 05:49:04 PM
When I was 22 my mom told my best friend and I to go to her friend’s bridal shop. We are casually dressed. She wouldn’t show us any. Later she asked my mom when we were coming in. My mom told her what happened. The owner asked who waited on us and it was her. We bought at a place that treated us great. My husband had a master’s degree in math. But he loved working as a tool and dye maker. We meet at a car dealership right after work. He has jeans and a flannel shirt on. He also has a clipboard with what we wanted and prices from consumer reports (no internet back then).  He only answered my husband’s questions about exact prices for various options with generalities and wouldn’t give us exact prices. We walked out and bought elsewhere.  It wasn’t even a expensive car being a ford escort.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Just Joe on January 15, 2020, 10:04:09 PM
I can add onto the horrible car dealership stories.

Husband has tracked down the perfect truck for him, lightly used Tacoma that's only three years old.  We test drive, it looks good.  Wrangle a deal with the sales guy--stage one.

Move to the Finance Lady, who is a saccharine as the sugar plum fairy... to my husband.  When I try to look at the paperwork on the overwrought warranty she's trying to sell my husband, SHE SNATCHED IT OUT OF MY HANDS.  Every time I asked a question, she refused to answer and started talking up the warranty to my husband.

Luckily husband saw all this and asked for some privacy.  In the 60 seconds she left us alone, we reaffirmed that the dealer warranties are for idiots, and if we really think the truck is going to hell in handbasket within 5 years, why are we paying the price premium that even used Tacomas command?

Finance Lady was not happy that we refused all warranties.  Suddenly she couldn't speed us out of that room fast enough, and no more small talk either.

Other highlights:  "You know if you manage to pay it off early, like in 4 or 5 years..."  Husband and I just looked at each other and laughed.  She was not amused.

PSA announcement: we've been in several dealership offices that were bugged. One had an active webcam pointed at us from a bookshelf with a microphone nested between things on the desk near us. Another seemed to know everything we discussed when he was checking with his manager.

So, if you want to strategize in private with your SO, take a walk.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on January 15, 2020, 10:22:57 PM
This is when being able to speak another language with your SO would come in handy.

That reminds me that during our last new car purchase my husband actually prepped me with a couple of quick phrases in mandarin to be able to use to indicate thumbs up or thumbs down if someone was listening in on our conversation.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: OtherJen on January 16, 2020, 01:25:44 AM
When I was 22 my mom told my best friend and I to go to her friend’s bridal shop. We are casually dressed. She wouldn’t show us any. Later she asked my mom when we were coming in. My mom told her what happened. The owner asked who waited on us and it was her. We bought at a place that treated us great. My husband had a master’s degree in math. But he loved working as a tool and dye maker. We meet at a car dealership right after work. He has jeans and a flannel shirt on. He also has a clipboard with what we wanted and prices from consumer reports (no internet back then).  He only answered my husband’s questions about exact prices for various options with generalities and wouldn’t give us exact prices. We walked out and bought elsewhere.  It wasn’t even a expensive car being a ford escort.

Bridal shops are awful. When I bought my dress, I was with my very well-groomed mom, and the sales staff fawned over me. When I went to pick it up after alterations, I was with a friend and we were dressed down in old T-shirts and jeans (and I looked younger than mid-20s). The staff first ignored us completely and then treated us dismissively until they saw the paid-in-full receipt. It was so rude and gross that if the dress hadn't already been altered, I'd have asked for a full refund.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: cupcakery on January 16, 2020, 06:23:26 AM
I work in a office building with a no soliciting sign on the front door and on the door to our suite.  Years ago, this guy came in and wanted to talk to me about how he could save our company money.  I said, "You don't have an appointment and we have two no soliciting signs that you ignored."  He replied with, "I'm not soliciting, I'm trying to help you save money!"  I told him we weren't interested and that he needed to leave the premises.

Years ago I worked on the 1st floor of our company building. There was a security guard at the entrance 24/7. One day I'm at my desk and a guy walks in holding a brochure for some type of cookware and tries to get me to buy a set. The sets are boxed up in his car, I can take it home today!  Took him back to the lobby and sent him out the door, then asked the security guard how some itinerant salesperson got past him. He said, "He told me he had left something in your office earlier and just needed to run back and get it, so I didn't think I should disturb you for that." I guess that tactic has worked before?

Beyond that weird part, what could possibly be the success rate of trying to sell sets of cookware to people at work?  Is there anyone who might say "Cool, this saves me a trip to Target after work!"

That is so weird.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Malcat on January 16, 2020, 08:41:03 AM
When I was 22 my mom told my best friend and I to go to her friend’s bridal shop. We are casually dressed. She wouldn’t show us any. Later she asked my mom when we were coming in. My mom told her what happened. The owner asked who waited on us and it was her. We bought at a place that treated us great. My husband had a master’s degree in math. But he loved working as a tool and dye maker. We meet at a car dealership right after work. He has jeans and a flannel shirt on. He also has a clipboard with what we wanted and prices from consumer reports (no internet back then).  He only answered my husband’s questions about exact prices for various options with generalities and wouldn’t give us exact prices. We walked out and bought elsewhere.  It wasn’t even a expensive car being a ford escort.

Bridal shops are awful. When I bought my dress, I was with my very well-groomed mom, and the sales staff fawned over me. When I went to pick it up after alterations, I was with a friend and we were dressed down in old T-shirts and jeans (and I looked younger than mid-20s). The staff first ignored us completely and then treated us dismissively until they saw the paid-in-full receipt. It was so rude and gross that if the dress hadn't already been altered, I'd have asked for a full refund.

Ugh, don't even get me started on wedding dress shopping.

The worst was walking in and having the sales lady scan my body and say "don't worry, I'll pull some styles that will minimize those hips"

Now, whether I was size 2 or size 22 doesn't actually matter in terms of that being an unacceptable thing to say, but just to add some texture to the story, I'll share that I was so thin at the time that most of their smallest sample sizes were too big for me. "Those hips" were mostly bones.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ms on January 16, 2020, 10:29:55 AM
I went into a store like Banana Republic looking for a blouse and the one that I tried on was a little tight because I could not raise my arms. When the sales person checked in on me I mentioned that I couldn't raise my arms.

Her response: You are not going to be raising your arms when wearing it.

Yeah, sure, maybe you would not be but when I'm crawling the floor rewiring network cables under my desk then raising my arms seems like a good thing.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on January 16, 2020, 10:43:49 AM
When I was 22 my mom told my best friend and I to go to her friend’s bridal shop. We are casually dressed. She wouldn’t show us any. Later she asked my mom when we were coming in. My mom told her what happened. The owner asked who waited on us and it was her. We bought at a place that treated us great. My husband had a master’s degree in math. But he loved working as a tool and dye maker. We meet at a car dealership right after work. He has jeans and a flannel shirt on. He also has a clipboard with what we wanted and prices from consumer reports (no internet back then).  He only answered my husband’s questions about exact prices for various options with generalities and wouldn’t give us exact prices. We walked out and bought elsewhere.  It wasn’t even a expensive car being a ford escort.

Bridal shops are awful. When I bought my dress, I was with my very well-groomed mom, and the sales staff fawned over me. When I went to pick it up after alterations, I was with a friend and we were dressed down in old T-shirts and jeans (and I looked younger than mid-20s). The staff first ignored us completely and then treated us dismissively until they saw the paid-in-full receipt. It was so rude and gross that if the dress hadn't already been altered, I'd have asked for a full refund.
It's astounding how poorly vendors in the wedding industry behave. They get away with it only because people have been conditioned to tolerate excess expense and poor customer service.

One of my daughter's sisters was about to pay through the nose for alterations to a wedding gown she'd (very sensibly) bought second-hand. The dress was gorgeous: an asymmetrical cut with gathering on one side, sleeveless, with medieval-style lacing in the back. The alterations vendor, who either didn't want to do the work or who didn't have the skills, refused to do more than half of the work that the gown needed but wanted to charge her well over $300 to shorten some spaghetti straps, add a dancing loop for the train, tighten a few loose stitches, and raise the front of the hem into a high-low. What also needed to be done was for the sides of the dress to be taken in to fit the bride and to allow the back lacing to display properly in a "V" shape over the placket instead of being pulled snug. The bride also really wanted some contrasting lacing in her bridal colors, and a high-low cut with the front of the dress rising almost to the knee and tapering back into the train. Yes, it's a lot of work especially on an asymmetrical gown, but instead of breaking down what it would cost to do each individual feature, the vendor snowed the bride, telling her that the sizing alteration didn't need to be done and that the back lacing was supposed to be pulled tight enough for the edges to touch, instead of being laced up over the placket. That was nonsense, of course. But most people don't buy wedding gowns more than once in their lives and have no experience ordering alterations or working with a tailor. Also, most people no longer know how to sew so they don't have any idea whether a specific piece of work will take a little bit of time, or a lot. This means it's impossible for them to tell whether the labor rates being charged are reasonable.

Now, my sewing skills are strong because I learned to do it when I was seven and have been doing it off and on all my life. At one point I did tailoring as a side gig. I own a serger. I've made a wedding gown from scratch and I know the basics of clothing design due to years of working on everything from gis to lingerie. I command, and textiles obey. They just can't help it: they fold and fasten in accordance with my will, and the movement of the needle is almost like an afterthought. So, I had the young woman rescue the dress. I did all the work-- what the bride ordered plus what the tailor told her she didn't need-- along with raising the hems on the bridesmaids' dresses and extending the seams on the thigh slits for a more conservative look-- in about fifteen hours of effort not including fittings. I did it for free because this was the family that had originally given me my Venomous Spaz Beast and I'd been looking for ways to pay them back for years. The VSB attended all the fittings, including the Say Yes To The Dress champagne toast I set up for the wedding party because the vendors couldn't be bothered.

My point with all of this is that the tailor had to know how lacing should look over a placket. He was savvy enough to talk her out of the parts of the work that required skill and effort. But he definitely didn't have to lie to the bride simply to avoid the portions of the work that required skill, while still charging her for the full effort. Folks like this get away with it simply because it's a wedding. I've seen the most idiotic excuses for workmanship-- crooked zippers, unhemmed skirts, and clothing held together with safety pins-- all on extremely expensive formal and wedding attire. And, for workmanship that wouldn't pass muster at even the flimsiest fast-fashion store, they charge a premium, and they get away with it because Wedding.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on January 16, 2020, 12:41:27 PM

I've made a wedding gown from scratch and I know the basics of clothing design due to years of working on everything from gis to lingerie. I command, and textiles obey. They just can't help it: they fold and fasten in accordance with my will, and the movement of the needle is almost like an afterthought.
I just want to add that I love this description.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: UpNAtom on January 17, 2020, 08:29:00 AM
PSA announcement: we've been in several dealership offices that were bugged. One had an active webcam pointed at us from a bookshelf with a microphone nested between things on the desk near us. Another seemed to know everything we discussed when he was checking with his manager.

So, if you want to strategize in private with your SO, take a walk.

That's just dirty.  Someone wanting the vehicle and ever so inclined in such a way could have a "private" talk about how exactly to take pictures of the camera and how much of a discount they thought the salesperson was going to provide them for being such good clients.  (the following should still occur)

But in reality, that really deserves a strong tongue-lashing and negative online review with pictures/proof for all to know.

 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dogastrophe on January 17, 2020, 08:33:44 AM
I went into a store like Banana Republic looking for a blouse and the one that I tried on was a little tight because I could not raise my arms. When the sales person checked in on me I mentioned that I couldn't raise my arms.

Her response: You are not going to be raising your arms when wearing it.

Yeah, sure, maybe you would not be but when I'm crawling the floor rewiring network cables under my desk then raising my arms seems like a good thing.

I read this and immediately thought of a scene from The Bank Job:

Young Soldier : [while being fitted for a jacket]  A bit tight under the arms, don't you think?

Guy Singer : Traditional fit, sir. One can't raise one's hands above one's head. It tends to inhibit any impulsive acts of surrender.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: partgypsy on January 17, 2020, 08:44:48 AM
I went into a store like Banana Republic looking for a blouse and the one that I tried on was a little tight because I could not raise my arms. When the sales person checked in on me I mentioned that I couldn't raise my arms.

Her response: You are not going to be raising your arms when wearing it.

Yeah, sure, maybe you would not be but when I'm crawling the floor rewiring network cables under my desk then raising my arms seems like a good thing.

"Her response: You are not going to be raising your arms when wearing it." That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: mm1970 on January 17, 2020, 02:27:05 PM
This is when being able to speak another language with your SO would come in handy.

That reminds me that during our last new car purchase my husband actually prepped me with a couple of quick phrases in mandarin to be able to use to indicate thumbs up or thumbs down if someone was listening in on our conversation.

Ooh this is smart.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: mm1970 on January 17, 2020, 02:31:32 PM

I've made a wedding gown from scratch and I know the basics of clothing design due to years of working on everything from gis to lingerie. I command, and textiles obey. They just can't help it: they fold and fasten in accordance with my will, and the movement of the needle is almost like an afterthought.
I just want to add that I love this description.
I too love this description.

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Now, my sewing skills are strong because I learned to do it when I was seven and have been doing it off and on all my life. At one point I did tailoring as a side gig. I own a serger. I've made a wedding gown from scratch and I know the basics of clothing design due to years of working on everything from gis to lingerie. I command, and textiles obey. They just can't help it: they fold and fasten in accordance with my will, and the movement of the needle is almost like an afterthought. So, I had the young woman rescue the dress. I did all the work-- what the bride ordered plus what the tailor told her she didn't need-- along with raising the hems on the bridesmaids' dresses and extending the seams on the thigh slits for a more conservative look-- in about fifteen hours of effort not including fittings. I did it for free because this was the family that had originally given me my Venomous Spaz Beast and I'd been looking for ways to pay them back for years. The VSB attended all the fittings, including the Say Yes To The Dress champagne toast I set up for the wedding party because the vendors couldn't be bothered.

That's really awesome that you did this.  I think of you often these days and your VSB, as we recently adopted a Chihuahua from the Humane society.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Sandi_k on January 18, 2020, 06:21:34 PM

PSA announcement: we've been in several dealership offices that were bugged. One had an active webcam pointed at us from a bookshelf with a microphone nested between things on the desk near us. Another seemed to know everything we discussed when he was checking with his manager.

So, if you want to strategize in private with your SO, take a walk.

Yep - we'd heard that it's common for the salesperson to leave the office phone on an active intercom connection. When they go to "consult" with the manager, they sit there and eavesdrop on your conversation.

I used my FIL in a "good cop, bad cop" routine about how much I needed them to pay me for my tradein to get the deal I wanted on my first "new car" purchase many years ago.

In 2010, when I bought my last car, DH and I sat in the finance office, him playing on his cell phone and me with a book, silent, until they came back and caved.

Knowing the tricks can be a great thing, when spun to your advantage.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: markbike528CBX on January 21, 2020, 10:58:34 AM

PSA announcement: we've been in several dealership offices that were bugged. One had an active webcam pointed at us from a bookshelf with a microphone nested between things on the desk near us. Another seemed to know everything we discussed when he was checking with his manager.

So, if you want to strategize in private with your SO, take a walk.

Yep - we'd heard that it's common for the salesperson to leave the office phone on an active intercom connection. When they go to "consult" with the manager, they sit there and eavesdrop on your conversation.

I used my FIL in a "good cop, bad cop" routine about how much I needed them to pay me for my tradein to get the deal I wanted on my first "new car" purchase many years ago.

In 2010, when I bought my last car, DH and I sat in the finance office, him playing on his cell phone and me with a book, silent, until they came back and caved.

Knowing the tricks can be a great thing, when spun to your advantage.

I WAS as the  FIL in a "good cop, bad cop" routine. It was kinda fun to be the firm large voice, obstinate on price. Exhausting though, and I would have walked long before if I had been the actual buyer.

The vehicle was an exceedingly un-Mustaschian Explorer. That being said, I remembered the scene in The Godfather where Sonny was admonished not to argue in front of non-Family members.

We kept reminding them (including visits from the "Big Boss") of our very firm budget.  We happened to be there later in the day and would not budge a microbuck,until they came back and caved.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dulcimina on January 21, 2020, 12:34:35 PM
Dentist office with a neon sign advertising teeth whitening.  What could go wrong?


I love my current dentist so much and I tell him that 15 years and counting!
This post has made me self-conscious. I'm going to the bathroom now to double check that my teeth are just regular teeth-colored.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dogastrophe on January 21, 2020, 12:57:53 PM
I've been on the lookout for a bolt action .22.  Late last week I went into a local shop to see what they had in stock.  I barely get in the door and I get pounced on by an employee. 

Me:  Wondering what you have for bolt action 22s
Him: Why do you want a bolt action?
Me: Because I want a bolt action
Him: Ya, but what are you using it for?
Me: To shoot targets.
Him: Oh, you want a semi auto
Me: No, if I wanted a semi I would have asked for a semi, I want a bolt action
Him: Well the semi's are most accurate for targets.
Me: Uh huh ... so do you have any bolts?

He spends a minute looking at the small number of new stock 22s on the rack and confirms that, no, they only have a couple of semi's

Me: Ok, so anything in used?

Walks to another rack, looks at a old 22 that come in on trade and comments "I don't even know what this is"  Picks it up and sees that it has a peep sight installed

Him: This is the one you want for target.
Me: You just said you don't know what it is
Him: Oh it's set up for precision shooting.  This is a great 22.
Me: ... You. Don't. Even. Know. What. It. Is! ....

He stares blankly at me

Me: Maybe I'll check back another day.




Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Evgenia on January 21, 2020, 01:35:55 PM
This one is from 2006 but still stands out, especially in retrospect (post mortgage bust). Context: It's mid 2006, I'm leaving my ex and buying a new condo with the money from the condo he and I owned together (woops, bad timing). I'm mortgage shopping and am on the phone with Wells Fargo, which pre-approves me for an *$880,000 mortgage*. I earn $80,000/year, at the time. The first person tries to sell me on an adjustable interest rate.

Him: "And you're going to get a raise every year, so the mortgage will adjust up in proportion." (Sit with that a minute.)
Me: "Really! I am? A raise every year?"
Him: "At least a cost of living adjustment of 2-3%."
Me: "Will you write that into the mortgage paperwork then?"
Him: "What?"
Me: "That the interest rate on the mortgage will only increase if I've actually gotten a raise, and then only in the same amount as the raise?"
Him: "Um, well..." etc.

MAGIC.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Travis on January 21, 2020, 01:42:02 PM
This one is from 2006 but still stands out, especially in retrospect (post mortgage bust). Context: It's mid 2006, I'm leaving my ex and buying a new condo with the money from the condo he and I owned together (woops, bad timing). I'm mortgage shopping and am on the phone with Wells Fargo, which pre-approves me for an *$880,000 mortgage*. I earn $80,000/year, at the time. The first person tries to sell me on an adjustable interest rate.

Him: "And you're going to get a raise every year, so the mortgage will adjust up in proportion." (Sit with that a minute.)
Me: "Really! I am? A raise every year?"
Him: "At least a cost of living adjustment of 2-3%."
Me: "Will you write that into the mortgage paperwork then?"
Him: "What?"
Me: "That the interest rate on the mortgage will only increase if I've actually gotten a raise, and then only in the same amount as the raise?"
Him: "Um, well..." etc.

MAGIC.

And magically a 2-3% increase on an $800k mortgage is the same as a 2-3% increase on your $80k salary.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Evgenia on January 21, 2020, 01:46:55 PM
And magically a 2-3% increase on an $800k mortgage is the same as a 2-3% increase on your $80k salary.

In Wells Fargo sales system land, sure (given that I was buying a < $200k condo). It made the point. Later in the call, after it was clear I wasn't accepting a screwy mortgage, he answered my questions about how they figured I could pay that sort of mortgage. These sorts of strategies came out during the financial crisis, but at the time I remember thinking it was just Wells Fargo. Nope.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Travis on January 21, 2020, 02:51:44 PM
So this is my 2 part time share story.  Back when we were first married, my wife and I would go on time share sales things to get the prizes when we'd go on vacation.

Part 1: We go through the entire sales thing, tour the place, all the things needed to get our "whatever it was" prize.  Down to the final questions and big sales push.  The sales guy asks the "yes" questions.  Starts with "If I could show you how you could actually save money with this time share, would you buy?".  I say no.  He just stops.  "So you have no intention of buying, no matter what?".  me: "That's right".  He then goes into his sob story about he's doing this for a living and we wasted his time and....  Of course we only went there because of the fliers to go to a short presentation to GET THE BIG PRIZE OF whatever it was.  He says "If you ever do another of these, please just tell them up front that you won't buy.

Part 2:  Same island, flier at the airport, different facility.  It touts that they'll pay taxi fee and whatever the prize was.  We go into the welcome booth.  A sales person comes out.  We're walking from the booth to start our tour and he starts with "If I could show you a way to save money on vacations, would you be interested?".  My answer.....no.  He stops and asks a couple other questions, then says "wait here".  He comes back with our voucher for a very nice restaurant and $10 in change to pay for the taxi.  He has the same complaint....."I do this for a living and you've wasted my time".  I can only guess that these clowns have to rotate as marks come in, like they do at car dealerships.  So now he has to wait through the rotation to get another chance to sell a worthless timeshare to the next sucker.

Not a time share membership sale, but a vacation package at a time share because I filled out a "free car" contest card (which never mentioned the vacation company). The part I chaffed at was being asked to give them a $150 deposit right there over the phone even though I had no desire for a vacation in the near future. The polite and mostly reading from his script salesman transfers me to his supervisor who is an ass right away wanting to know why I won't take the deal. He got offended why I was concerned that he said he was in Maryland, but calling from a California number (my contact number was a CA number).  His final straw is that if the Pope walked in and said his company was legit, would I listen to him? I said no and he angrily hung up.  I think the entire industry is one big scam. I tried to explain at the outset I never asked for a vacation and for some reason it never occurred to me I could have just hung up at any moment during that call.  Another lesson I learned: there's no such thing as "free." Somebody might get a free car, but the company offering it also got thousands of sales leads to harass in return.

Also, any hard sales tactics. "You must buy this right now or you'll never get another chance!" I got taken by that gimmick once. Never again. I don't need whatever it is you're buying that much, and odds are you'll still have it for sale another time. And these days I'll refuse on principle for trying to strong arm me.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: lisabobisa on January 22, 2020, 06:48:24 AM
At a popular jewelry store with my fiance during a pre-black friday sale to buy our wedding bands.  We picked out what we wanted beforehand online, so it should have been an in and out type of deal.... or so I thought.

His was simple.... we told her what we wanted, he tried it on, she rang it up.

Mine.... I wanted a simple white gold band... that's it. We wanted it to be similar in price to his band ($200 range).  They, of course, did not have it in stock. So this saleslady pulls out a $1000+ diamond encrusted double band ring and insists I try it on.  I oblige (because why not).  It's hideous and not at all what I'm looking for and I say "wow... this is too much for me."  She pulls the mirror over and says "You deserve the best." and I guess expects me to ohh and ahh as I wave the monstrosity in front of my face.  Yeah.  No. 

Let's just ring up my fiance's ring. "OH but do you want gifts for your bridesmaids.  We have a bunch of great opt..." No thanks. "What about a stuffed bear to donate to [insert charity here]?"  NO! "Extended warr....." OMG!!!!! Ring up the DARN RING! 

I should have walked out but the thought of repeating that process to get his ring at another jewelry store was to much for me.

We still have to get my ring though... He has his budget, he has what I like, he has my size.  I will NOT be going along for that one!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: OtherJen on January 22, 2020, 07:27:54 AM
At a popular jewelry store with my fiance during a pre-black friday sale to buy our wedding bands.  We picked out what we wanted beforehand online, so it should have been an in and out type of deal.... or so I thought.

His was simple.... we told her what we wanted, he tried it on, she rang it up.

Mine.... I wanted a simple white gold band... that's it. We wanted it to be similar in price to his band ($200 range).  They, of course, did not have it in stock. So this saleslady pulls out a $1000+ diamond encrusted double band ring and insists I try it on.  I oblige (because why not).  It's hideous and not at all what I'm looking for and I say "wow... this is too much for me."  She pulls the mirror over and says "You deserve the best." and I guess expects me to ohh and ahh as I wave the monstrosity in front of my face.  Yeah.  No. 

Let's just ring up my fiance's ring. "OH but do you want gifts for your bridesmaids.  We have a bunch of great opt..." No thanks. "What about a stuffed bear to donate to [insert charity here]?"  NO! "Extended warr....." OMG!!!!! Ring up the DARN RING! 

I should have walked out but the thought of repeating that process to get his ring at another jewelry store was to much for me.

We still have to get my ring though... He has his budget, he has what I like, he has my size.  I will NOT be going along for that one!

Ugh, jewelry. My wedding band is a simple white gold band. I picked it out 17 years ago, and I’ve never wanted anything else (I like simple jewelry). But everyone from the jewelry store clerk (annoying but understandable, at least) to our moms, friends, random coworkers, etc. seemed to have major opinions. Apparently the thing to buy was a flashy, diamond-encrusted wedding set (engagement+wedding rings) for thousands of dollars that could then be fused together and worn as a single giant, heavy ring. Yeah, no.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: AMandM on January 22, 2020, 07:51:55 AM
At a popular jewelry store with my fiance during a pre-black friday sale to buy our wedding bands.  We picked out what we wanted beforehand online, so it should have been an in and out type of deal.... or so I thought.

His was simple.... we told her what we wanted, he tried it on, she rang it up.

Mine.... I wanted a simple white gold band... that's it. We wanted it to be similar in price to his band ($200 range).  They, of course, did not have it in stock. So this saleslady pulls out a $1000+ diamond encrusted double band ring and insists I try it on.  I oblige (because why not).  It's hideous and not at all what I'm looking for and I say "wow... this is too much for me."  She pulls the mirror over and says "You deserve the best." and I guess expects me to ohh and ahh as I wave the monstrosity in front of my face.  Yeah.  No. 

Let's just ring up my fiance's ring. "OH but do you want gifts for your bridesmaids.  We have a bunch of great opt..." No thanks. "What about a stuffed bear to donate to [insert charity here]?"  NO! "Extended warr....." OMG!!!!! Ring up the DARN RING! 

I should have walked out but the thought of repeating that process to get his ring at another jewelry store was to much for me.

We still have to get my ring though... He has his budget, he has what I like, he has my size.  I will NOT be going along for that one!

Ugh, jewelry. My wedding band is a simple white gold band. I picked it out 17 years ago, and I’ve never wanted anything else (I like simple jewelry). But everyone from the jewelry store clerk (annoying but understandable, at least) to our moms, friends, random coworkers, etc. seemed to have major opinions. Apparently the thing to buy was a flashy, diamond-encrusted wedding set (engagement+wedding rings) for thousands of dollars that could then be fused together and worn as a single giant, heavy ring. Yeah, no.

These stories make me feel really lucky in retrospect. DH and I both wanted plain gold bands. Went to JCPenney, I think, pointed at the ones in the turntable countertop display, tried them on, ordered initials and dates to be engraved inside, paid $40 apiece or so (30 years ago). The end.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: zhelud on January 22, 2020, 01:23:01 PM
Once long ago, my husband and I foolishly allowed a windows salesman to come into our house to give a pitch, and then when we said we would have to think about it, he refused to leave. I mean, absolutely refused to budge from our kitchen table for 30 min.  I had to pick up the phone and start dialing the police before he got out! (Should have threatened this after just 5 min, but we were young and bewildered by his refusal to go.)
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Fish Sweet on January 22, 2020, 03:28:33 PM
Another car salesman story:  A few years ago, my old hand-me-down car was on its very last legs. so I was on the hunt for a efficient used hybrid to make my clown commute in (that I'll be free of in two days, woot woot!)  Went online, did a bunch of research, looked up some promising listings for $X amount and made some appointments to drive test a couple decade-old Priuses.  Now, as a petite woman who on a bad day without makeup could pass for a high schooler, I was already expecting some weird pressure and inappropriate sales tactics.  At the first appointment, I test drove the car in question (over 10 years old, over 100k miles), and then sat down to discuss interest and pricing.

Not only would the dealership not honor the price listed online (their selling price was another 40% higher), but of COURSE I would have to finance the car.  It wasn't even a question.  When I told them I was neither interested in financing or doing a bait and switch, he said, and I quote, "don't you want to be a smart girl?" and listen to him if I wanted to "improve my bad credit."

L O L

Left immediately, ended up test driving another car half as old with fewer miles... and better priced to boot.  The salesman honored the online listed price, answered all my questions, agreed to the extremely reasonable terms I requested, did not at any point call me "girl", and didn't push financing after I declined the first time.  The very bare minimum, and that was all it took for him to get the sale.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on January 22, 2020, 03:49:12 PM
I hope you contacted management of the first place to express your displeasure at such offensive treatment.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: jinga nation on January 22, 2020, 04:10:03 PM
Once long ago, my husband and I foolishly allowed a windows salesman to come into our house to give a pitch, and then when we said we would have to think about it, he refused to leave. I mean, absolutely refused to budge from our kitchen table for 30 min.  I had to pick up the phone and start dialing the police before he got out! (Should have threatened this after just 5 min, but we were young and bewildered by his refusal to go.)

but did he place the demo window on the floor and jump on it repeatedly to demonstrate impact strength? and the heat lamp?

mine did. i told him that him jumping on it was nowhere near the impact force of a 2x4 hitting perpendicular to the window. he looked at me, asked if i was an engineer. my wife said yes. he said: i guess you're not buying. i said: we never were considering.

i told my wife to stop opening the door to these peddlers, but does she ever listen.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Fish Sweet on January 22, 2020, 05:29:54 PM
I hope you contacted management of the first place to express your displeasure at such offensive treatment.
To be honest, considering all the crazy horror stories you hear about car salespeople I considered myself as having gotten off relatively lightly.  Also, I suspect it would've just been dismissed as ~hysterical girlish whining~, the same way the car salesman at the time tried to bulldoze my response as ~silly girlish protests~.   It was irritating in the moment, but satisfying enough to know that they would never have gotten a penny out of me.

That said, maybe I'll leave them a scathing Yelp review-- hadn't thought of it at the time, but might actually hit them more where it hurts.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: StockBeard on January 22, 2020, 09:33:05 PM
Meanwhile, in a similar thread on a cars salespeople forum:

"How do you get people to buy more car than they can afford?"

"Well, being patronizing and telling them I think they can't afford the better model has worked for me for years. It infuriates them so much they end up buying the expensive car on the spot. Sometimes they'll end up buying from the competition to make a point, but we all benefit"
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Freedomin5 on January 23, 2020, 06:10:57 AM
It was raining today. We decided to order in. After accepting our order and taking our money, the food delivery service called half an hour after the specified delivery time and asked if we could go to the restaurant to pick up the food ourselves because they didn’t have enough delivery people/drivers working. And no, they would not reimburse the delivery fee.

I told them to refund all my money and I would cook my own dinner. Saved myself ~$35.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Villanelle on January 23, 2020, 11:25:54 AM
It was raining today. We decided to order in. After accepting our order and taking our money, the food delivery service called half an hour after the specified delivery time and asked if we could go to the restaurant to pick up the food ourselves because they didn’t have enough delivery people/drivers working. And no, they would not reimburse the delivery fee.

I told them to refund all my money and I would cook my own dinner. Saved myself ~$35.

WTF?   Pick it up yourself but still pay the fee?  Were they *trying* to lose a costumer permanently?  I'd have offered to refund the fee, plus give you 50% off if you picked up, along with my most sincere apologies!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: carolina822 on January 29, 2020, 07:49:53 PM
What's the worst thing anyone has ever said to you when trying to sell you something?

Are your parents home?

A sales person greeted me this way when he rang the bell and I opened the door to our home being in my early thirties. No, they aren‘t and I closed the door. To this day I have no idea what he was trying to sell us.

Same thing happened to me at about the same age. "I have no idea. Maybe you should go knock on their door and ask."
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: dignam on February 15, 2020, 10:30:46 AM
Took my beater car into a transmission shop to have the TV kickdown cable looked at as the shift points were all weird.  I did the diagnosing myself so I wasn't totally certain that was the issue but I was 90% sure.  The guy there (actually filling in for the owner as owner was on vacation) basically brushed off how I described the issue.  He said he would take a look at it and get back to me that week.

Another tech calls me up (also filling in for their lead tech as the lead tech was sick), says he thinks it needs a fluid flush.  I told him please do not do a fluid flush.  This can seriously mess up older transmissions with a ton of miles on them  Told him "You can drain and fill, but do not flush the transmission.  Also please consider that the TV kickdown cable needs replacement."  So what does he do?  Yep, flushes the transmission and does not even look at the cable.  Shift points were still messed up during the test drive.

Luckily, shop owner returns the next day and I spoke to him about it.  He was actually very nice and didn't charge me for the work I never authorized.  I explained to him what I thought it was and he was like "hmmm, that very well could be."  He replaced the cable and voila, the transmission was significantly better after that.

I understand the other guys were filling in, but shit that was ridiculous.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: BTDretire on February 15, 2020, 11:48:41 AM
Years ago I was looking a a VW bug, I took it for a test drive and when I returned I commented that it had a hard pull to the right, the owner commented, "that will keep you from a head on collision".
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on February 15, 2020, 02:25:54 PM
Years ago I was looking a a VW bug, I took it for a test drive and when I returned I commented that it had a hard pull to the right, the owner commented, "that will keep you from a head on collision".
That is gold
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: markbike528CBX on February 15, 2020, 04:23:35 PM
Years ago I was looking a a VW bug, I took it for a test drive and when I returned I commented that it had a hard pull to the right, the owner commented, "that will keep you from a head on collision".
That is gold

Only true in right-hand drive countries.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Tris Prior on February 15, 2020, 05:48:06 PM
I've got a new one - we just returned from a vacation in Maui and somehow after a week there I let my protective urban armor slip and found myself plunked into a chair by a skincare saleswoman who'd been lying in wait along the main drag of the town we were staying in, having some sort of tightening serum applied to my admittedly very baggy, puffy, saggy, dark-circled undereyes. Which, I should note, I have had since birth, you can see them in my baby pix.

The saleswoman started out by exclaiming something like "OMG, you must be on so much medication if you are retaining fluid like this, do you take X, or Y, or Z..." (I'm not on anything other than birth control.) She proceeded to make various other negging comments about the sorry state of my undereyes, said I must not be taking care of my skin if they're that bad (at which point I noted that I'd had them since babyhood), and also threw in some pointed comments about my broken capillaries around my nose. And then quoted me SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS for a tube of whatever goop she was smearing on me.

I explained to her as politely as I could that no way was that in my budget, at which point she dropped the price to $500 and I said, NOPE, still not in my budget. To which she responded, "you know, it doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, you will look good." What?

At that point I had the presence of mind to verge on rude with my "Sorry, NO!" and GTFO of her chair. I have no idea how I even ended up in it in the first place as my "NO, get away from me" response to people who insist on pushing things at me on the street is very well honed from city life. In my defense, I was kind of tipsy on large fruity drinks.

Yet another example of salespeople making women feel like shit about their physical appearance in order to sell product.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Smokystache on February 15, 2020, 08:15:54 PM
....  And then quoted me SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS for a tube of whatever goop she was smearing on me.

I explained to her as politely as I could that no way was that in my budget, at which point she dropped the price to $500 and I said, NOPE, still not in my budget. To which she responded, "you know, it doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, you will look good." ...

I had a booth at a professional convention and they must not have sold out the booths or screened them because the one next to me was selling tubes of some under-eye cream. (This was weird because the convention had nothing to do with skin care or supplements ... think something like a tire convention and here's a skin care booth in the middle of 400 tire-related booths). I got to hear their shtick hundreds of times.  And the prices would go from $500 to $300 to $100 to $50 if you would just resist, but hang around. They sold more than I thought they would, but it was amazing and eye-opening to see the process.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on February 15, 2020, 09:45:47 PM
The thing is, if those creams really were magical and would fix my thises and my thats I probably would pay crazy amounts of money for it. But I’m not convinced they will do much of anything beyond hydrate my skinnier the drugstore face lotion does.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: auntie_betty on February 16, 2020, 12:28:30 AM
I was trying to negotiate the price of a new car but couldn't pin them down, kept quoting me monthly prices over various terms. When I insisted on knowing the bottom line he said' don't worry your pretty head about that dearie, if it's too much a month we'll just do it over longer'. Eventually I grabbed his calculator and worked it out myself.

Unfortunately I was doing mystery shopping for his company. That report was a joy to write up. Had I been a normal customer I'd have been out of there like a shot.

In adverts the thing that really turns me off is 'This Season's Must Haves'. Guess what, I haven't needed to buy any of your previous 'must haves' and don't feel I've suffered as a result. 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: MoolahLula on February 16, 2020, 06:21:25 AM
I was getting a haircut—a pixie at a Great Clips—and the hairstylist asked me how my boyfriend preferred my hair! 

Never went back. 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Sibley on February 16, 2020, 09:12:04 AM
I was getting a haircut—a pixie at a Great Clips—and the hairstylist asked me how my boyfriend preferred my hair! 

Never went back.

I had a boyfriend who preferred women to have long hair. He made the mistake of mentioning it more than once and I ripped into him, then made him shave his beard and grow out his hair to my preferred length (which he hated). I don't know if he learned his lesson, but he stopped saying anything at least.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Kris on February 16, 2020, 09:14:41 AM
I was getting a haircut—a pixie at a Great Clips—and the hairstylist asked me how my boyfriend preferred my hair! 

Never went back.

I had a boyfriend who preferred women to have long hair. He made the mistake of mentioning it more than once and I ripped into him, then made him shave his beard and grow out his hair to my preferred length (which he hated). I don't know if he learned his lesson, but he stopped saying anything at least.

Ha — nice!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Tris Prior on February 16, 2020, 09:23:48 AM
The thing is, if those creams really were magical and would fix my thises and my thats I probably would pay crazy amounts of money for it. But I’m not convinced they will do much of anything beyond hydrate my skinnier the drugstore face lotion does.

What kills me is that it DID actually work, if temporarily. It sort of tightened everything up, and stung and then feel like I imagine Botox might feel (I've never had Botox). Like, my undereyes felt a bit numb. Which was VERY disconcerting. But it did shrink swelling. Much like hemorrhoid cream. HAHAHAHA, what if that is what it actually was, repackaged with swanky branding?

The next morning I was back to my usual puffy gross self though.

I walked by there again later and overheard her dropping the price even more to someone else. Shit, I should've just kept sitting there, maybe I could've eventually gotten it for like $10?
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Smokystache on February 16, 2020, 12:27:05 PM
The thing is, if those creams really were magical and would fix my thises and my thats I probably would pay crazy amounts of money for it. But I’m not convinced they will do much of anything beyond hydrate my skinnier the drugstore face lotion does.

What kills me is that it DID actually work, if temporarily. It sort of tightened everything up, and stung and then feel like I imagine Botox might feel (I've never had Botox). Like, my undereyes felt a bit numb. Which was VERY disconcerting. But it did shrink swelling. Much like hemorrhoid cream. HAHAHAHA, what if that is what it actually was, repackaged with swanky branding?

The next morning I was back to my usual puffy gross self though.

I walked by there again later and overheard her dropping the price even more to someone else. Shit, I should've just kept sitting there, maybe I could've eventually gotten it for like $10?


I thought their offer was a joke, but I was thoroughly impressed with the number of 60+ year old men they were able to sit in the chair and hold them hostage for 20+ minutes. Think your average 60 year old tire mechanic - not exactly what I think of as their target demo, but they could sure sell!

Part of it was that they were yelling at people all the way down the row (40 feet away). Had to finally go over and say, "If you yell at another person who is at MY table/booth, then I'll start calling to them when they are at your booth. He finally toned it down.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: markbike528CBX on February 16, 2020, 03:03:13 PM
I was trying to negotiate the price of a new car but couldn't pin them down, kept quoting me monthly prices over various terms. When I insisted on knowing the bottom line he said' don't worry your pretty head about that dearie, if it's too much a month we'll just do it over longer'. Eventually I grabbed his calculator and worked it out myself.

Unfortunately I was doing mystery shopping for his company. That report was a joy to write up. Had I been a normal customer I'd have been out of there like a shot.

In adverts the thing that really turns me off is 'This Season's Must Haves'. Guess what, I haven't needed to buy any of your previous 'must haves' and don't feel I've suffered as a result.

I just loved the bolded above...not sure if that is good for my karma or not, but at this point, I don't care.  My karma points are nothing like the salesman's big negative karma points.
I can feel the burn over the Internet.
Please post a redacted version of your report, please?

@auntie_betty  did this take place before 1960? Even in movies from the early 60's it didn't seem THAT bad.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: OtherJen on February 16, 2020, 03:51:35 PM
The thing is, if those creams really were magical and would fix my thises and my thats I probably would pay crazy amounts of money for it. But I’m not convinced they will do much of anything beyond hydrate my skinnier the drugstore face lotion does.

What kills me is that it DID actually work, if temporarily. It sort of tightened everything up, and stung and then feel like I imagine Botox might feel (I've never had Botox). Like, my undereyes felt a bit numb. Which was VERY disconcerting. But it did shrink swelling. Much like hemorrhoid cream. HAHAHAHA, what if that is what it actually was, repackaged with swanky branding?

The next morning I was back to my usual puffy gross self though.

I walked by there again later and overheard her dropping the price even more to someone else. Shit, I should've just kept sitting there, maybe I could've eventually gotten it for like $10?

It probably was hemorrhoid cream. My mom's former co-worker swore by Preparation H for puffy eyes.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: zinnie on February 16, 2020, 04:22:56 PM
A salesperson at a car dealership once told me it was better to buy a new car and take out a loan (instead of a buying the used car I told him I was interested in) because "it's an investment."

I just looked at him, said "that's NOT how it works," and walked away.

(The mustachian win in all of this is that we never ended up replacing my car. And I can't say the ridiculousness of car salespeople wasn't one of the things that pushed us in that direction...)
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: By the River on February 17, 2020, 07:00:21 AM
A salesperson at a car dealership once told me it was better to buy a new car and take out a loan (instead of a buying the used car I told him I was interested in) because "it's an investment."

Reminds me of a local car dealer commercial playing now.  Basically, "invest your tax refund on a new car from _____ dealership"   That hurts two ways, its not an investment and why would anyone have that large of a tax refund anyway. 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: RWD on February 17, 2020, 07:13:35 AM
A salesperson at a car dealership once told me it was better to buy a new car and take out a loan (instead of a buying the used car I told him I was interested in) because "it's an investment."

Reminds me of a local car dealer commercial playing now.  Basically, "invest your tax refund on a new car from _____ dealership"   That hurts two ways, its not an investment and why would anyone have that large of a tax refund anyway.

It doesn't take much of a refund to be enough for a down payments on a new car
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: dignam on February 17, 2020, 08:00:15 AM
I was getting a haircut—a pixie at a Great Clips—and the hairstylist asked me how my boyfriend preferred my hair! 

Never went back.

I had a boyfriend who preferred women to have long hair. He made the mistake of mentioning it more than once and I ripped into him, then made him shave his beard and grow out his hair to my preferred length (which he hated). I don't know if he learned his lesson, but he stopped saying anything at least.

Wait, maybe I'm missing something, but what is wrong with someone stating their preference of hair?  I mean, cut your hair however you want, it's his problem if he doesn't like it.  Same with his beard and hair length, no one is forcing you to like that either.  Preferences are preferences.

Thought of another one.  While negotiating price of car purchase, the salesman whipped out the tried 'n true 4 square routine.  I don't know how many times I told him I don't really care what the monthly payment is, I care about final price and my trade in value (bottom row of four square).  He asked me finally "does it really matter?  I'm trying to get you the lowest amount payment to make assist your monthly budget."  Oh that's so thoughtful of you! /sarcasm
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Sibley on February 17, 2020, 08:16:37 AM
I was getting a haircut—a pixie at a Great Clips—and the hairstylist asked me how my boyfriend preferred my hair! 

Never went back.

I had a boyfriend who preferred women to have long hair. He made the mistake of mentioning it more than once and I ripped into him, then made him shave his beard and grow out his hair to my preferred length (which he hated). I don't know if he learned his lesson, but he stopped saying anything at least.

Wait, maybe I'm missing something, but what is wrong with someone stating their preference of hair?  I mean, cut your hair however you want, it's his problem if he doesn't like it.  Same with his beard and hair length, no one is forcing you to like that either.  Preferences are preferences.

Thought of another one.  While negotiating price of car purchase, the salesman whipped out the tried 'n true 4 square routine.  I don't know how many times I told him I don't really care what the monthly payment is, I care about final price and my trade in value (bottom row of four square).  He asked me finally "does it really matter?  I'm trying to get you the lowest amount payment to make assist your monthly budget."  Oh that's so thoughtful of you! /sarcasm

You're right, it's perfectly ok to have preferences. However, insinuating that your girlfriend isn't attractive because her hair is the wrong length isn't ok. There's a reason he's an ex.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Just Joe on February 17, 2020, 08:32:33 AM
Once upon a time we bought a new car. Our first and so far last new car.

I was concerned about fair pricing so we visited a half dozen different dealers for the brand we wanted to buy over the course of a couple of months. We weren't in a big rush to buy the new car b/c the old car was still getting the job done. Hindsight says we should have kept the old car and skipped the new car b/c the old car was in good shape despite its age and it only had 130K miles. On the other hand we've truly gotten our money's worth out of the new (now old) car with 300K+ miles, lots of light towing, trips to grandma's house, etc.

Every dealer was an adventure. There was the one that wanted to use our future new car as a demo car in exchange for a car wash. Nope. There was the one that wanted to argue that the manual transmission was not available, so pick from what's on the lot. There was the one that ran our credit w/o our permission. The one that heckled us out of the showroom when we balked at their payment only negotiation. The one that broke down into tears when the negotiations started with a fair price point from me - close to the ultimate price from another dealer. And the one with the hidden microphone that seemed always know what DW and I were whispering while he was out of the room. I've seen microphones and webcams twice in salesmen's offices now.

All this happened during the early days of the internet when it was hard to figure out what the invoice price was, what people had paid in our area, etc. Its why we welcomed Saturn flat-pricing, and later CarMax/Carvana.

The dealer negotiation grind sucks. In the end we walked into the final dealer, told them what we were gonna pay and that they had 20 minutes to make the numbers work. They did (+$200) and we took them a cashier's check the next day. That was the dealer that told us all about the amazing abilities of the cabin air filter to remove odors like skunks and pollution. We still joke about how we can smell skunks despite the cabin filter. That was also the dealer who reinstalled the dealer logo plate on the front without my permission after I removed it. I promptly went home and removed all their logos from the car. I've bought and sold 30+ cars in my time, and this one still rates as the worst vehicle purchase experience.

TLDR: dealers suck, and the purchase negotiation process sucks. Should use fair flat pricing.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: keepingfocus on February 18, 2020, 03:54:29 AM
A few spring to mind:

Double glazing salesperson: "Are your parents home?" (age 25, homeowner. This one I forgave as I looked very young for my age at the time!)

Rep from Scottish Energy: "Is your husband home?" (age 37, homeowner, primary bill payer . That one got a lecture).

Sales assistant in computer store completely refusing to address me (the person who was there to make sure the actual buyer, my then bf's brother, didn't get ripped off). He didn't make a sale.

Tech company rep at a trade exhibition who presented to my two male colleagues and acted like I was invisible. No words for that one, it was so ridiculous and blatant that one of my colleagues pulled him up on it mid-flow and asked why he was ignoring the person who made the financial decisions (I didn't, but he wanted to make the point)

Then there was the timeshare sales pitch in Cancun that we went to purely for a free breakfast and free taxi ride to the part of town we wanted to spend the day in. As soon as they found out then bf was a student at the time they threw us out, despite me actually overqualifying financially for what they had on offer on my own. That one was just funny!

I also had to threaten calling the police on a (different) double glazing salesperson who refused to leave and was trying to bully me in to signing on the spot for a hideously overpriced 'deal'.


Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Travis on February 18, 2020, 04:30:45 AM
(litany of gender equality issues)

Not a sales story, but these stories of women being sidelined in financial matters reminds me of a friend of mine. She's chemistry professor at a university in Georgia. Not long after she got her PhD (late 90s) she was in a meeting where she was the only woman at the table. One of the men asked "little miss, can you get us some coffee?" Her response was "It's doctor and I'm not getting your fucking coffee!"  Bear in mind everyone at the table including the first guy knew she was a professor just like them, and by credentials outranked a couple of them.

And what is "double glazing?"
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: JLee on February 18, 2020, 10:35:17 AM
(litany of gender equality issues)

Not a sales story, but these stories of women being sidelined in financial matters reminds me of a friend of mine. She's chemistry professor at a university in Georgia. Not long after she got her PhD (late 90s) she was in a meeting where she was the only woman at the table. One of the men asked "little miss, can you get us some coffee?" Her response was "It's doctor and I'm not getting your fucking coffee!"  Bear in mind everyone at the table including the first guy knew she was a professor just like them, and by credentials outranked a couple of them.

And what is "double glazing?"

Windows.  Watch this, lol -- https://www.netflix.com/title/80191680
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: AMandM on February 18, 2020, 11:14:20 AM

And what is "double glazing?"

Windows.  Watch this, lol -- https://www.netflix.com/title/80191680

Specifically, windows with two layers of glass.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on February 18, 2020, 02:27:15 PM
Also know as «double paned windows” depending on where you live
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: The Guru on February 18, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
....  And then quoted me SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS for a tube of whatever goop she was smearing on me.

I explained to her as politely as I could that no way was that in my budget, at which point she dropped the price to $500 and I said, NOPE, still not in my budget. To which she responded, "you know, it doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, you will look good." ...

I had a booth at a professional convention and they must not have sold out the booths or screened them because the one next to me was selling tubes of some under-eye cream. (This was weird because the convention had nothing to do with skin care or supplements ... think something like a tire convention and here's a skin care booth in the middle of 400 tire-related booths). I got to hear their shtick hundreds of times.  And the prices would go from $500 to $300 to $100 to $50 if you would just resist, but hang around. They sold more than I thought they would, but it was amazing and eye-opening to see the process.

They offered it for attendees who looked tired.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Imma on February 19, 2020, 08:47:06 AM
Just today, a contractor who did some work on my roof (but only after he finished the work) : by the way, who owns this place? So I replied, trying to keep a poker face, "I do!". The look on his face was incredulous. I don't even live in a big fancy place, just a small home, but there was no male in sight or even mentioned, how could this girl possibly own a home. I'm a business owner working from home today so I was wearing a black denim skirt, boots and a flannel shirt   (and actually I do have a male partner but he was at work and we agreed that I handle the roof damage).

I'm a woman about to turn 30, who called in a roofing company after mild storm damage to my roof, made an appointment and showed them the damage and he only inquired about the owner after he was done. Asking if I'm the homeowner is a valid question but I would have done that before fixing the roof...
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: bacchi on February 19, 2020, 11:20:32 AM
....  And then quoted me SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS for a tube of whatever goop she was smearing on me.

I explained to her as politely as I could that no way was that in my budget, at which point she dropped the price to $500 and I said, NOPE, still not in my budget. To which she responded, "you know, it doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, you will look good." ...

I had a booth at a professional convention and they must not have sold out the booths or screened them because the one next to me was selling tubes of some under-eye cream. (This was weird because the convention had nothing to do with skin care or supplements ... think something like a tire convention and here's a skin care booth in the middle of 400 tire-related booths). I got to hear their shtick hundreds of times.  And the prices would go from $500 to $300 to $100 to $50 if you would just resist, but hang around. They sold more than I thought they would, but it was amazing and eye-opening to see the process.

They offered it for attendees who looked tired.

Ba dum tss!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9LqUnUvGIo
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dave1442397 on February 19, 2020, 02:51:00 PM
Just today, a contractor who did some work on my roof (but only after he finished the work) : by the way, who owns this place? So I replied, trying to keep a poker face, "I do!".

You should have said "I have no idea! I'm just cat sitting. I hope they paid you!"
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: MishMash on February 19, 2020, 03:27:45 PM
Just today, a contractor who did some work on my roof (but only after he finished the work) : by the way, who owns this place? So I replied, trying to keep a poker face, "I do!". The look on his face was incredulous. I don't even live in a big fancy place, just a small home, but there was no male in sight or even mentioned, how could this girl possibly own a home. I'm a business owner working from home today so I was wearing a black denim skirt, boots and a flannel shirt   (and actually I do have a male partner but he was at work and we agreed that I handle the roof damage).

I'm a woman about to turn 30, who called in a roofing company after mild storm damage to my roof, made an appointment and showed them the damage and he only inquired about the owner after he was done. Asking if I'm the homeowner is a valid question but I would have done that before fixing the roof...

Ha similar story only worse, I was just married, 26 years old, just bought our first house and DH deployed like a month later.  Two days after he deploys we have a massive hail storm and the entire roof needs replacement.  Called in 6 companies for quotes.  First guy comes out, and is an older Russian gentleman.  He looks over everything sits down at my kitchen table and starts going over numbers.  I said OK, well I have other people coming out for quotes so just leave me a quote and I'll get back to you.  Reasonable right?

NOPE!  He starts upselling, saying I can get X roof for Y price and it's the best deal in town, BUT I have to sign the contract right then and there.  Red flag flying*** so I again said just leave a quote.  He got ENRAGED, refused to leave my house, told me "I'll sit right here until your husband comes home, then us MEN can do business."  I said like hell you will he's at work, and I handle every financial decision in this house.  He refused to believe that and said no man would let a woman handle his finances and refused to budge.  I said please get off my property immediately you will NOT be getting my business, or the business of anyone on this block I can assure you.  Still refused to leave and in fact got in my face pointing and yelling at me in Russian.  I leaned over  and said Sir, please leave the property immediately.  In case you are unaware we are in a stand your ground state and I assure you, despite appearances, that I am an excellent shot.  He almost broke the door on the way out. Scared the hell out of me let me tell you. 

I called the company and it turns out it was the owners father who was 'visiting' and 'filling in' they apologized but too late by that point. 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on February 19, 2020, 04:54:33 PM
Hot damn. Good for you for standing up for yourself like that!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ambimammular on February 22, 2020, 09:51:49 AM
What a creep!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: zolotiyeruki on February 22, 2020, 10:26:56 AM
Several years ago, shortly after we moved, a guy came by to give us quotes for blinds in the house. When I told him we were only interested in buying the blinds and not the installation services, the salesman looked at me like I had spaghetti growing out of my hair. Clearly, he was skeptical about my skills. Seriously, though, blinds are trivial to install--it's literally four screws to attach the brackets to the wall.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ice_beard on February 22, 2020, 10:46:48 PM
I can't think of any personal sleazy salesperson stories, but I did have a friend who sold Kirby vacuum cleaners for a summer in college.  He made good money because he did not care who he sold one of these expensive vacuum cleaners to.  All he needed to do was get the signature on the line and he got paid.   

He told me about how he sold one to a woman who lived in a run down trailer who had about 6 square feet of carpet. 
Title: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on February 23, 2020, 08:45:30 AM
My mother got a Kirby back when I was a little kid and darned I’d that sucker is still going strong, over 30 years later. My sister has inherited it. The only problems she said she has now is that the thing is so darned old that it is hard to find replacement parts when they are needed.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: nereo on February 23, 2020, 10:51:10 AM
"Imagine how this car will CHANGE your LIFE!!!"
Imagine... having LESS MONEY!!

Similar bad experiences buying cars as other posters here.  When I called and asked if a particular model in their inventory had a sunroof ("oh definitely!") and saw that it didn't they salesguy told me: "only chicks and faggots care about things like that".  Had the "Guess I know who wears the pants" comment when I wanted to talk things over with my spouse. And when I asked about high MPG cars and was shown some gas guzzling SUV there was a passive-aggressive (I kid you not) about how a vehicle's horsepower reflects their owners... prowess in bed.  Buy the Mustang to show the world you can have sex like a stallion!!

Thank god I only buy a car every decade or so, and the last one came from a no-haggle family member (best deal I've ever got).
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: six-car-habit on February 23, 2020, 04:01:35 PM
I can't think of any personal sleazy salesperson stories, but I did have a friend who sold Kirby vacuum cleaners for a summer in college.  He made good money because he did not care who he sold one of these expensive vacuum cleaners to.  All he needed to do was get the signature on the line and he got paid.   

He told me about how he sold one to a woman who lived in a run down trailer who had about 6 square feet of carpet.

 That friend probably used the kirby on her mattress, and pulled out a square inch of old dust and skin to close the deal.....
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: GreenEggs on February 23, 2020, 05:41:43 PM
Just today, a contractor who did some work on my roof (but only after he finished the work) : by the way, who owns this place? So I replied, trying to keep a poker face, "I do!". The look on his face was incredulous. I don't even live in a big fancy place, just a small home, but there was no male in sight or even mentioned, how could this girl possibly own a home. I'm a business owner working from home today so I was wearing a black denim skirt, boots and a flannel shirt   (and actually I do have a male partner but he was at work and we agreed that I handle the roof damage).

I'm a woman about to turn 30, who called in a roofing company after mild storm damage to my roof, made an appointment and showed them the damage and he only inquired about the owner after he was done. Asking if I'm the homeowner is a valid question but I would have done that before fixing the roof...

Ha similar story only worse, I was just married, 26 years old, just bought our first house and DH deployed like a month later.  Two days after he deploys we have a massive hail storm and the entire roof needs replacement.  Called in 6 companies for quotes.  First guy comes out, and is an older Russian gentleman.  He looks over everything sits down at my kitchen table and starts going over numbers.  I said OK, well I have other people coming out for quotes so just leave me a quote and I'll get back to you.  Reasonable right?

NOPE!  He starts upselling, saying I can get X roof for Y price and it's the best deal in town, BUT I have to sign the contract right then and there.  Red flag flying*** so I again said just leave a quote.  He got ENRAGED, refused to leave my house, told me "I'll sit right here until your husband comes home, then us MEN can do business."  I said like hell you will he's at work, and I handle every financial decision in this house.  He refused to believe that and said no man would let a woman handle his finances and refused to budge.  I said please get off my property immediately you will NOT be getting my business, or the business of anyone on this block I can assure you.  Still refused to leave and in fact got in my face pointing and yelling at me in Russian.  I leaned over  and said Sir, please leave the property immediately.  In case you are unaware we are in a stand your ground state and I assure you, despite appearances, that I am an excellent shot.  He almost broke the door on the way out. Scared the hell out of me let me tell you. 

I called the company and it turns out it was the owners father who was 'visiting' and 'filling in' they apologized but too late by that point.




Great story.  Would'a been even better if you'd fired off a shot.  :)



Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ender on February 23, 2020, 06:15:22 PM
"Imagine how this car will CHANGE your LIFE!!!"
Imagine... having LESS MONEY!!

Similar bad experiences buying cars as other posters here.  When I called and asked if a particular model in their inventory had a sunroof ("oh definitely!") and saw that it didn't they salesguy told me: "only chicks and faggots care about things like that".  Had the "Guess I know who wears the pants" comment when I wanted to talk things over with my spouse. And when I asked about high MPG cars and was shown some gas guzzling SUV there was a passive-aggressive (I kid you not) about how a vehicle's horsepower reflects their owners... prowess in bed.  Buy the Mustang to show the world you can have sex like a stallion!!

Thank god I only buy a car every decade or so, and the last one came from a no-haggle family member (best deal I've ever got).

One advantage to buying a new vehicle is you basically can order it like on Amazon. We realized newer vehicles of the car we wanted didn't depreciate meaningfully enough to make buying used an auto decision. So we found a new one.

Called the cheapest dealer nearby, got them to send paperwork, put down a deposit and the car showed up a few days later.


Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: MishMash on February 24, 2020, 10:46:39 AM
Just today, a contractor who did some work on my roof (but only after he finished the work) : by the way, who owns this place? So I replied, trying to keep a poker face, "I do!". The look on his face was incredulous. I don't even live in a big fancy place, just a small home, but there was no male in sight or even mentioned, how could this girl possibly own a home. I'm a business owner working from home today so I was wearing a black denim skirt, boots and a flannel shirt   (and actually I do have a male partner but he was at work and we agreed that I handle the roof damage).

I'm a woman about to turn 30, who called in a roofing company after mild storm damage to my roof, made an appointment and showed them the damage and he only inquired about the owner after he was done. Asking if I'm the homeowner is a valid question but I would have done that before fixing the roof...

Ha similar story only worse, I was just married, 26 years old, just bought our first house and DH deployed like a month later.  Two days after he deploys we have a massive hail storm and the entire roof needs replacement.  Called in 6 companies for quotes.  First guy comes out, and is an older Russian gentleman.  He looks over everything sits down at my kitchen table and starts going over numbers.  I said OK, well I have other people coming out for quotes so just leave me a quote and I'll get back to you.  Reasonable right?

NOPE!  He starts upselling, saying I can get X roof for Y price and it's the best deal in town, BUT I have to sign the contract right then and there.  Red flag flying*** so I again said just leave a quote.  He got ENRAGED, refused to leave my house, told me "I'll sit right here until your husband comes home, then us MEN can do business."  I said like hell you will he's at work, and I handle every financial decision in this house.  He refused to believe that and said no man would let a woman handle his finances and refused to budge.  I said please get off my property immediately you will NOT be getting my business, or the business of anyone on this block I can assure you.  Still refused to leave and in fact got in my face pointing and yelling at me in Russian.  I leaned over  and said Sir, please leave the property immediately.  In case you are unaware we are in a stand your ground state and I assure you, despite appearances, that I am an excellent shot.  He almost broke the door on the way out. Scared the hell out of me let me tell you. 

I called the company and it turns out it was the owners father who was 'visiting' and 'filling in' they apologized but too late by that point.




Great story.  Would'a been even better if you'd fired off a shot.  :)

I might be a crazy girl from Jersey, but I'm not THAT crazy unless he laid his hands on me.  But the true fact is everything was locked up in the gun safe at the time.  Learned my lesson that day though. 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: nereo on February 24, 2020, 10:51:44 AM
"Imagine how this car will CHANGE your LIFE!!!"
Imagine... having LESS MONEY!!

Similar bad experiences buying cars as other posters here.  When I called and asked if a particular model in their inventory had a sunroof ("oh definitely!") and saw that it didn't they salesguy told me: "only chicks and faggots care about things like that".  Had the "Guess I know who wears the pants" comment when I wanted to talk things over with my spouse. And when I asked about high MPG cars and was shown some gas guzzling SUV there was a passive-aggressive (I kid you not) about how a vehicle's horsepower reflects their owners... prowess in bed.  Buy the Mustang to show the world you can have sex like a stallion!!

Thank god I only buy a car every decade or so, and the last one came from a no-haggle family member (best deal I've ever got).

One advantage to buying a new vehicle is you basically can order it like on Amazon. We realized newer vehicles of the car we wanted didn't depreciate meaningfully enough to make buying used an auto decision. So we found a new one.

Called the cheapest dealer nearby, got them to send paperwork, put down a deposit and the car showed up a few days later.
interesting (and contrarian) point.
My biggest issue with purchasing new cars beyond depreciation is not having any data on the reliability of that model-year.  Cars that start out getting great reviews sometimes wind up in then "do not buy" category several years later or (worse) in the frequent safety recall bin.  Others avoid this fate.  To me it seems random and unpredictable.

That's why I like cars that are 6-8 years old but have low mileage (for their age).  By that point there's tons of repair data from the more heavy users, and I can still drive the car for a decade+.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: mm1970 on February 24, 2020, 05:11:35 PM
I was getting a haircut—a pixie at a Great Clips—and the hairstylist asked me how my boyfriend preferred my hair! 

Never went back.

I had a boyfriend who preferred women to have long hair. He made the mistake of mentioning it more than once and I ripped into him, then made him shave his beard and grow out his hair to my preferred length (which he hated). I don't know if he learned his lesson, but he stopped saying anything at least.
I had a boyfriend who really loved long hair.  He mentioned to me once, while on vacation I think, how much he loved that my hair was getting longer.

His prior girlfriend's hair was almost to her butt.

I basically immediately went off and got a short (SHORT) bob.  As in, last couple of inches near the neck shaved down with the trimmer short.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: nereo on February 24, 2020, 05:18:17 PM
I was getting a haircut—a pixie at a Great Clips—and the hairstylist asked me how my boyfriend preferred my hair! 

Never went back.

I had a boyfriend who preferred women to have long hair. He made the mistake of mentioning it more than once and I ripped into him, then made him shave his beard and grow out his hair to my preferred length (which he hated). I don't know if he learned his lesson, but he stopped saying anything at least.
I had a boyfriend who really loved long hair.  He mentioned to me once, while on vacation I think, how much he loved that my hair was getting longer.

His prior girlfriend's hair was almost to her butt.

I basically immediately went off and got a short (SHORT) bob.  As in, last couple of inches near the neck shaved down with the trimmer short.
You cut your own hair to spite your boyfriend? 
I don’t get it.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: mm1970 on February 24, 2020, 05:24:57 PM
A salesperson at a car dealership once told me it was better to buy a new car and take out a loan (instead of a buying the used car I told him I was interested in) because "it's an investment."

I just looked at him, said "that's NOT how it works," and walked away.

(The mustachian win in all of this is that we never ended up replacing my car. And I can't say the ridiculousness of car salespeople wasn't one of the things that pushed us in that direction...)
I just got into an argument with a couple of people who INSIST I need to add on to my house, because it will pay me back!  It's an investment!

Now, I know that people invest in real estate.  And they sometimes make a killing.  But I'm not one of them.

This is my home.
It's small. 
It has 1 bathroom and 2 bedrooms.
It's on an approx 5000sf lot.
It has no garage, no basement, no attic.
It has an 8-10' wide, 100ft long driveway that goes to someone else's house.  So let's call it a usable 4000sf lot.

It is the bottom of the SFH market.
It was built in the mid 1940s.
Going "up" would cost AT LEAST $400,000.  Far too much structural work to be done on the foundation to make that work for anything less. 
It would NOT be a $1.3M house by the time that is done.  I mean still: no garage.

Thing is, we've probably put $75,000 into the house already (over 15 years - roof, windows, insulation, paint, sewer lateral, backyard, floor refinishing, new kitchen done by spouse), and it's worth about $72k more than we paid for it.

There is literally no reason to add on to my house EXCEPT for that fact that I'd do almost anything for a second bathroom.  Except, apparently, call an architect.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: mm1970 on February 24, 2020, 05:28:21 PM
I was getting a haircut—a pixie at a Great Clips—and the hairstylist asked me how my boyfriend preferred my hair! 

Never went back.

I had a boyfriend who preferred women to have long hair. He made the mistake of mentioning it more than once and I ripped into him, then made him shave his beard and grow out his hair to my preferred length (which he hated). I don't know if he learned his lesson, but he stopped saying anything at least.
I had a boyfriend who really loved long hair.  He mentioned to me once, while on vacation I think, how much he loved that my hair was getting longer.

His prior girlfriend's hair was almost to her butt.

I basically immediately went off and got a short (SHORT) bob.  As in, last couple of inches near the neck shaved down with the trimmer short.
You cut your own hair to spite your boyfriend? 
I don’t get it.
I'm pretty strong, and opinionated.

I like my hair short.  I did back then, I do now.  It feels good on me. 

I also don't like it when people tell me they want me to change who I am.  So yes, a bit of it was spite, but I wouldn't have done it had I liked long hair.


Ask my husband (not the long ago boyfriend), how it went over when we were on vacation with his family and his sister started BADGERING me about the fact that I was 32 and didn't have children yet.  Husband called her up when we got home: "if you haven't figured it out by now, badgering my wife to do something that SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DO is a sure way of making everything worse.  KNOCK IT OFF."

Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: nereo on February 24, 2020, 05:37:03 PM
I was getting a haircut—a pixie at a Great Clips—and the hairstylist asked me how my boyfriend preferred my hair! 

Never went back.

I had a boyfriend who preferred women to have long hair. He made the mistake of mentioning it more than once and I ripped into him, then made him shave his beard and grow out his hair to my preferred length (which he hated). I don't know if he learned his lesson, but he stopped saying anything at least.
I had a boyfriend who really loved long hair.  He mentioned to me once, while on vacation I think, how much he loved that my hair was getting longer.

His prior girlfriend's hair was almost to her butt.

I basically immediately went off and got a short (SHORT) bob.  As in, last couple of inches near the neck shaved down with the trimmer short.
You cut your own hair to spite your boyfriend? 
I don’t get it.
I'm pretty strong, and opinionated.

I like my hair short.  I did back then, I do now.  It feels good on me. 

I also don't like it when people tell me they want me to change who I am.  So yes, a bit of it was spite, but I wouldn't have done it had I liked long hair.


Ask my husband (not the long ago boyfriend), how it went over when we were on vacation with his family and his sister started BADGERING me about the fact that I was 32 and didn't have children yet.  Husband called her up when we got home: "if you haven't figured it out by now, badgering my wife to do something that SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DO is a sure way of making everything worse.  KNOCK IT OFF."
Ok. fwiw I hate when people tell me what I should go too and am unlikely to do something I don’t wAnt just for someone else. My misunderstanding was that you had long hair (presumably because you wanted it that way) but cut it when you found out your boyfriend liked it. That was what seemed strange.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dave1442397 on February 25, 2020, 05:53:27 AM
There is literally no reason to add on to my house EXCEPT for that fact that I'd do almost anything for a second bathroom.  Except, apparently, call an architect.

You could park one of these out back :)

https://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/fangdamagichouse/product-detailtCNJGbflaDkP/China-Modular-Prefabricated-Temporary-Luxury-Porta-Potty-Mobile-Toilet-Trailer-for-Sale.html
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: mm1970 on February 25, 2020, 11:52:18 AM
There is literally no reason to add on to my house EXCEPT for that fact that I'd do almost anything for a second bathroom.  Except, apparently, call an architect.

You could park one of these out back :)

https://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/fangdamagichouse/product-detailtCNJGbflaDkP/China-Modular-Prefabricated-Temporary-Luxury-Porta-Potty-Mobile-Toilet-Trailer-for-Sale.html
Hmm...8 feet by 4 feet, if I'm reading it right...I'm not sure we have space in the back, but we could put it in the front yard, ha!  Just a shed folks...
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on February 25, 2020, 12:00:55 PM
My husband has expressed a couple of times in the eternity that we have been together that he liked my hair when it was long. Honestly, so did I and I’d like to grow it out again at some point. But as I remind him,
I’ve lost so much hair after having his babies that it would look like crap long now. Sorry, dude!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Just Joe on February 25, 2020, 01:26:56 PM
There is literally no reason to add on to my house EXCEPT for that fact that I'd do almost anything for a second bathroom.  Except, apparently, call an architect.

You could park one of these out back :)

https://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/fangdamagichouse/product-detailtCNJGbflaDkP/China-Modular-Prefabricated-Temporary-Luxury-Porta-Potty-Mobile-Toilet-Trailer-for-Sale.html
Hmm...8 feet by 4 feet, if I'm reading it right...I'm not sure we have space in the back, but we could put it in the front yard, ha!  Just a shed folks...

Be sure to chain it to a tree so no one steals your guest bathroom... Now that would be an interesting report to file...
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: nereo on February 25, 2020, 02:13:52 PM
There is literally no reason to add on to my house EXCEPT for that fact that I'd do almost anything for a second bathroom.  Except, apparently, call an architect.

You could park one of these out back :)

https://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/fangdamagichouse/product-detailtCNJGbflaDkP/China-Modular-Prefabricated-Temporary-Luxury-Porta-Potty-Mobile-Toilet-Trailer-for-Sale.html
Hmm...8 feet by 4 feet, if I'm reading it right...I'm not sure we have space in the back, but we could put it in the front yard, ha!  Just a shed folks...

Be sure to chain it to a tree so no one steals your guest bathroom... Now that would be an interesting report to file...
Yeah, it would be really crappy.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: dignam on February 25, 2020, 02:17:13 PM
I was getting a haircut—a pixie at a Great Clips—and the hairstylist asked me how my boyfriend preferred my hair! 

Never went back.

I had a boyfriend who preferred women to have long hair. He made the mistake of mentioning it more than once and I ripped into him, then made him shave his beard and grow out his hair to my preferred length (which he hated). I don't know if he learned his lesson, but he stopped saying anything at least.
I had a boyfriend who really loved long hair.  He mentioned to me once, while on vacation I think, how much he loved that my hair was getting longer.

His prior girlfriend's hair was almost to her butt.

I basically immediately went off and got a short (SHORT) bob.  As in, last couple of inches near the neck shaved down with the trimmer short.
You cut your own hair to spite your boyfriend? 
I don’t get it.
I'm pretty strong, and opinionated.

I like my hair short.  I did back then, I do now.  It feels good on me. 

I also don't like it when people tell me they want me to change who I am.  So yes, a bit of it was spite, but I wouldn't have done it had I liked long hair.


Ask my husband (not the long ago boyfriend), how it went over when we were on vacation with his family and his sister started BADGERING me about the fact that I was 32 and didn't have children yet.  Husband called her up when we got home: "if you haven't figured it out by now, badgering my wife to do something that SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DO is a sure way of making everything worse.  KNOCK IT OFF."
Ok. fwiw I hate when people tell me what I should go too and am unlikely to do something I don’t wAnt just for someone else. My misunderstanding was that you had long hair (presumably because you wanted it that way) but cut it when you found out your boyfriend liked it. That was what seemed strange.

This.  I was confused as well.  Someone complimented your long hair, so you cut it because you thought they wanted to tell you how you should always have it cut?  I'm missing something.  What people say about it should have no bearing how you cut your hair.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: runningthroughFIRE on February 25, 2020, 03:23:15 PM
Per the hair-cutting, it does read like just trying to spite him, but I'm sure mm1970's then-boyfriend said a few other things or phrased it in such a way that her reaction was more reasonable.  We're probably just getting a hastily jotted-down version.

To roll this back on topic: not quite a decade ago, I was on vacation in Jamaica with my parents and sister as part of a cruise when one of my cousins was getting married.  I was an adult and made my own money at that point, but I looked young for my age.  Loads of street hawkers talked over me with "Would the boy like this?" and "Buy this for your boy!" directed towards my parents.  Even if I would have been interested in a souvenir, they pissed me off so much I wouldn't have bought anything from them.  My sister thought it was hilarious though.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: mm1970 on February 25, 2020, 05:51:27 PM
Per the hair-cutting, it does read like just trying to spite him, but I'm sure mm1970's then-boyfriend said a few other things or phrased it in such a way that her reaction was more reasonable.  We're probably just getting a hastily jotted-down version.

To roll this back on topic: not quite a decade ago, I was on vacation in Jamaica with my parents and sister as part of a cruise when one of my cousins was getting married.  I was an adult and made my own money at that point, but I looked young for my age.  Loads of street hawkers talked over me with "Would the boy like this?" and "Buy this for your boy!" directed towards my parents.  Even if I would have been interested in a souvenir, they pissed me off so much I wouldn't have bought anything from them.  My sister thought it was hilarious though.
Yeah, so to be clear, I've never had long hair.

It's maybe been barely touching my shoulders a few times, but only when I get too lazy or busy to get a haircut.  I have thin, straight hair, and long hair just isn't a good look for me.  For the most part, a chin-length bob has been the most successful haircut that I've had, at least once I stopped the perms (ha, oh the 80s....)

You had to be there I guess.  Added to the fact that we were both in the Navy, and shorter hair was just WAY easier to deal with in uniform, and be compliant with the regulations.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: lv2glrfy on March 04, 2020, 11:16:11 AM
Oof. This one isn't that dramatic, but...my car was totaled a year ago, right when I was about to start working (and thus, carpooling) with my husband. Since we were set transportation-wise, we had plenty of time to browse the used cars in our price range, let my newfound job play out as it would, and decide whether we even wanted a second car.

We test-drove a used Prius C at the local Toyota dealership, telling the salesman the whole time that we were just lightly looking and weren't planning to make any sort of deal anytime soon. He got us inside his office at the end with some ridiculous excuse about getting our information and then proceeded to trap us in there and try to drive a hard bargain. We were totally blindsided.

Just as some background: my husband and I are completely immune to salespeople (except for children...that's a whole other story, though), but we're also very softspoken/friendly/driven by social approval-type folks, so we don't like to be rude. Ever. This has resulted in me, especially, listening to many full sales pitches and putting down a lot of information over the years, just to eventually gain the courage to share that, no, I won't be purchasing anything and was never planning to, so very sorry, all the best to you!

This wasn't one of those situations. We had made ourselves clear to this guy. He started going down in price. By 100. Then 500. Taking off imaginary "fees." Offering "great rates" on financing (we told him an hour ago we were looking for something to purchase with cash??) We couldn't get a word in edgewise. I've never been so totally confused in my life by someone trying to sell me something I clearly told them I wasn't buying. Once he started doing crap like sliding little pieces of paper across the table with numbers on them, my very mild-mannered husband became completely fed up with the game. He told the man we weren't buying no matter what, stood up, and walked me out of there, to my deep delight.

We didn't go see any more cars after that day, and we've now been a single-car household for over a year. Feels pretty dang great.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: RWD on March 04, 2020, 02:00:10 PM
we told him an hour ago we were looking for something to purchase with cash??
For future reference saying this up front is very bad for negotiating price.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLxVyeFmod8
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: nereo on March 04, 2020, 06:08:37 PM
we told him an hour ago we were looking for something to purchase with cash??
For future reference saying this up front is very bad for negotiating price.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLxVyeFmod8

Yeah... the one time I bought a used car from a dealership the salesman kept going on about their financing wing and he would “hook me up”.  We finally agreed on a price and he told me with a wink that the monthly payment would ‘only’ be $xxx/month (in my head I calculated that they were adding several grand to the price over 5 years with ‘special financing’). 

My last step was the ‘financing office’ where I told them I just wanted to pay cash.  “Um, you are financing this car, correct” - no.  “But you’d have to give us $xx,xxx right now if we don’t finance it”.  Ok.  “It’s better to finance.  Then you just pay $xxx/mo”.  Not interested.  “Do you seriously have $xx,xxx sitting in your account right now?  Because if you don’t you’re going to be charged hundreds in overdraft fees and you won’t be able to get your car”.  yes.  “...um, I don’t think we can give you this car unless we finance it”.  I signed all the documents.  I give you the money, you give me the car.

This went round and round for about 10 minutes.  They went from thiinking it was a joke to trying to convince me to take the ‘great’ financing to being angry at me for not telling me I wanted to buy with cash. 
At the time I my GF was a lawyer who worked for the state AG.  It was only when she told them “look, you have a signed contract - if you don’t honor that contract things are going to get very bad for you, very quickly” that they relented.


Side bar: Many quarters GM makes more money from their financing arm than they do from actually selling cars and truck.  The profit for dealerships is in financing and the service department.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: spartana on March 05, 2020, 12:14:46 PM
On car financing: some of the car dealers around my hood (and especially dodge dealers) were charging $1000 extra if you paid cash for any car, used or new. So if you bought a $4000 used car and wanted to pay cash it would be $5000. Sheesh! They also had a new car incentive program for people with low credit score to be able to finance a shiny new car and would get $1700 off the purchase price. I imagine the interest rate was high but at least those with crappy credit score below 600-ish could get a Brand New Dodge Ram Super-Duper Monster Truck!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: spartana on March 05, 2020, 12:24:16 PM
Per the hair-cutting, it does read like just trying to spite him, but I'm sure mm1970's then-boyfriend said a few other things or phrased it in such a way that her reaction was more reasonable.  We're probably just getting a hastily jotted-down version.

To roll this back on topic: not quite a decade ago, I was on vacation in Jamaica with my parents and sister as part of a cruise when one of my cousins was getting married.  I was an adult and made my own money at that point, but I looked young for my age.  Loads of street hawkers talked over me with "Would the boy like this?" and "Buy this for your boy!" directed towards my parents.  Even if I would have been interested in a souvenir, they pissed me off so much I wouldn't have bought anything from them.  My sister thought it was hilarious though.
Yeah, so to be clear, I've never had long hair.

It's maybe been barely touching my shoulders a few times, but only when I get too lazy or busy to get a haircut.  I have thin, straight hair, and long hair just isn't a good look for me.  For the most part, a chin-length bob has been the most successful haircut that I've had, at least once I stopped the perms (ha, oh the 80s....)

You had to be there I guess.  Added to the fact that we were both in the Navy, and shorter hair was just WAY easier to deal with in uniform, and be compliant with the regulations.
I have very long hair and the number one comment I get is "I bet your BF, DH, male SO loves your hair and would never let you cut it off".  Er...he's not the boss of my hair ;-)! Some women like their long hair for themselves and not for a guy. I like my long hair. Its easy. I cut it myself and don't need styling product. It's nice and warm and cuddly and I can strangle people with it.

I did have a guy I was dating who once said I'd be beautiful if I "did" my fingernails. WTF! They were clean (a major milestone for me), short and no polish but not horrible.  I though it was a weird thing to say but not worthy of strangling him with my hair ;-).
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Psychstache on March 05, 2020, 12:46:49 PM
I like my long hair. Its easy. I cut it myself and don't need styling product. It's nice and warm and cuddly and I can strangle people with it.


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Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: OtherJen on March 05, 2020, 01:03:57 PM
I did have a guy I was dating who once said I'd be beautiful if I "did" my fingernails. WTF! They were clean (a major milestone for me), short and no polish but not horrible.  I though it was a weird thing to say but not worthy of strangling him with my hair ;-).

This reminded me of an awful college boyfriend, the type who liked to "neg" me by saying things like "my mom (seriously WTF) says you'd look so pretty with a little more makeup" or "only fat girls have boobs like that" (I wore a size 4 at the time). Fortunately, that didn't last long.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: spartana on March 05, 2020, 01:33:13 PM
I like my long hair. Its easy. I cut it myself and don't need styling product. It's nice and warm and cuddly and I can strangle people with it.


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7b/7a/02/7b7a0261cbdfa572fac6473f006ee81a.jpg)
Haha yeah but its probably easier for someone to strangle me with my own hair (looks around furtively).
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: GuitarStv on March 05, 2020, 01:35:15 PM
I did have a guy I was dating who once said I'd be beautiful if

This is the point where you know that the guy you're dating is an asshole.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: spartana on March 05, 2020, 02:22:06 PM
I did have a guy I was dating who once said I'd be beautiful if

This is the point where you know that the guy you're dating is an asshole.
yeah seriously. I never got the "insult hiden in a compliment insult" thing. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything. I see this happen.with sales people all the time. They do the reverse compliment/insult thing to sell you something. Many of the experiences in this thread really highlight that. It is sad that it works with so many people. But not mustashians of course. Otherwise I'd probably have nice nails and be less of the hideous beast I apparently am ;-)
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on March 05, 2020, 02:34:17 PM
I did have a guy I was dating who once said I'd be beautiful if

This is the point where you know that the guy you're dating is an asshole.
yeah seriously. I never got the "insult hiden in a compliment insult" thing. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything. I see this happen.with sales people all the time. They do the reverse compliment/insult thing to sell you something. Many of the experiences in this thread really highlight that. It is sad that it works with so many people. But not mustashians of course. Otherwise I'd probably have nice nails and be less of the hideous beast I apparently am ;-)

There is an entire school of thought-- common, I am told, in the Pick-Up Artist community-- that states people are more likely to value and want to please folks who put them down. Apparently putting someone down is a status signal that is supposed to elevate the person doing it and to project confidence, thereby helping increase the odds that the person putting the customer (or date) down will get what he or she wants. It's a sleazeball move and it doesn't surprise me that high pressure salespeople have adopted it.

I've never agreed with the notion that putting other people down is, or should be, an acceptable social practice. But based on observation I think it probably works if you're interacting with a person with low confidence or low status. I'm immune to the approach because of an accident of birth: putting me down generally results in me deciding that the person doing this is an insecure shit-for-brains and therefore a legitimate target. It's hard to out-snark a scythe-wielding rubber duck who thinks that confrontation is a spectator sport and that insults ought to be graded based on originality and technical difficulty.

Slapping the alpha wolf, or a scythe wielding quacker, has only one predictable outcome.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: spartana on March 05, 2020, 03:30:50 PM
I did have a guy I was dating who once said I'd be beautiful if

This is the point where you know that the guy you're dating is an asshole.
yeah seriously. I never got the "insult hiden in a compliment insult" thing. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything. I see this happen.with sales people all the time. They do the reverse compliment/insult thing to sell you something. Many of the experiences in this thread really highlight that. It is sad that it works with so many people. But not mustashians of course. Otherwise I'd probably have nice nails and be less of the hideous beast I apparently am ;-)

There is an entire school of thought-- common, I am told, in the Pick-Up Artist community-- that states people are more likely to value and want to please folks who put them down. Apparently putting someone down is a status signal that is supposed to elevate the person doing it and to project confidence, thereby helping increase the odds that the person putting the customer (or date) down will get what he or she wants. It's a sleazeball move and it doesn't surprise me that high pressure salespeople have adopted it.

I've never agreed with the notion that putting other people down is, or should be, an acceptable social practice. But based on observation I think it probably works if you're interacting with a person with low confidence or low status. I'm immune to the approach because of an accident of birth: putting me down generally results in me deciding that the person doing this is an insecure shit-for-brains and therefore a legitimate target. It's hard to out-snark a scythe-wielding rubber duck who thinks that confrontation is a spectator sport and that insults ought to be graded based on originality and technical difficulty.

Slapping the alpha wolf, or a scythe wielding quacker, has only one predictable outcome.
UGH I've read about the PUA, redpill, MGTOW stuff and can see the similarities to sales tactics used for both men and women. Youre a small guy and the truck makes you manly. You're kind of shapeless and the purse makes you womanly. WTF! I think I'm immune too. But only because the sales lady told me how if I wore a certain shade of lipstick (only $99.99) called "Assassin Red" I would be seen as a "Strong and Confident Woman". Sigh....
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: nessness on March 05, 2020, 03:38:17 PM
Once DH and I were shopping for a car for him, and the salesman tried to talk him into a tangerine orange Volkswagen. DH said that it was too flashy for him, and it was also overpriced. The salesman replied, "but it's Lamborghini orange. They use real Lamborghini paint." Lolol. I don't think people who buy Lamborghinis do it because of their paint.

As we were trying to leave, he gave us a sob story about how he was going to lose his job if he didn't sell 4 more cars by the end of the month. We wished him luck as we walked away.

That was several years ago and we still make jokes about "Lamborghini orange" cars.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: RWD on March 05, 2020, 04:21:55 PM
I've never agreed with the notion that putting other people down is, or should be, an acceptable social practice.
Well when it's standard operating procedure when running for president it doesn't seem likely to go away any time soon, unfortunately...


But only because the sales lady told me how if I wore a certain shade of lipstick (only $99.99) called "Assassin Red" I would be seen as a "Strong and Confident Woman".
Maybe you need some Assassin Red hair dye. ;)
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: GreenEggs on March 05, 2020, 07:20:28 PM
Once DH and I were shopping for a car for him, and the salesman tried to talk him into a tangerine orange Volkswagen. DH said that it was too flashy for him, and it was also overpriced. The salesman replied, "but it's Lamborghini orange. They use real Lamborghini paint." Lolol. I don't think people who buy Lamborghinis do it because of their paint.

As we were trying to leave, he gave us a sob story about how he was going to lose his job if he didn't sell 4 more cars by the end of the month. We wished him luck as we walked away.

That was several years ago and we still make jokes about "Lamborghini orange" cars.




You should have told him that he seems like a really nice guy and deserves a better job anyway.  ;)
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: spartana on March 06, 2020, 08:42:08 AM



But only because the sales lady told me how if I wore a certain shade of lipstick (only $99.99) called "Assassin Red" I would be seen as a "Strong and Confident Woman".
Maybe you need some Assassin Red hair dye. ;)
meh..why be Assassin Red when you can be Atomic Blonde ;-).

Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: BlueHouse on March 06, 2020, 08:54:43 AM



But only because the sales lady told me how if I wore a certain shade of lipstick (only $99.99) called "Assassin Red" I would be seen as a "Strong and Confident Woman".
Maybe you need some Assassin Red hair dye. ;)
meh..why be Assassin Red when you can be Atomic Blonde ;-).
I just think it's cool that you could strangle people with your hair. 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: nereo on March 06, 2020, 09:24:19 AM



But only because the sales lady told me how if I wore a certain shade of lipstick (only $99.99) called "Assassin Red" I would be seen as a "Strong and Confident Woman".
Maybe you need some Assassin Red hair dye. ;)
meh..why be Assassin Red when you can be Atomic Blonde ;-).
Why not be both?
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: mm1970 on March 06, 2020, 11:47:51 AM
Quote
It's hard to out-snark a scythe-wielding rubber duck who thinks that confrontation is a spectator sport and that insults ought to be graded based on originality and technical difficulty.
My favorite sentence of the day.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: spartana on March 06, 2020, 03:18:41 PM



But only because the sales lady told me how if I wore a certain shade of lipstick (only $99.99) called "Assassin Red" I would be seen as a "Strong and Confident Woman".
Maybe you need some Assassin Red hair dye. ;)
meh..why be Assassin Red when you can be Atomic Blonde ;-).
Why not be both?
  Pennywise the clown with blonde highlights? Very chic!

I've only been to a salon once in my life (oh that '90s perm...shudder) and I remember the very serious hard sell they tried on every single product they had using the "you'd look better if" strategy. I was too horrified by the perm to (fortunately) listen to anything they said. Women are bombarded with that since birth it seems. Men too but not for the beauty stuff. Learning to ignore it all is a huge relief.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: GuitarStv on March 06, 2020, 03:32:14 PM



But only because the sales lady told me how if I wore a certain shade of lipstick (only $99.99) called "Assassin Red" I would be seen as a "Strong and Confident Woman".
Maybe you need some Assassin Red hair dye. ;)
meh..why be Assassin Red when you can be Atomic Blonde ;-).
Why not be both?
  Pennywise the clown with blonde highlights? Very chic!

I've only been to a salon once in my life (oh that '90s perm...shudder) and I remember the very serious hard sell they tried on every single product they had using the "you'd look better if" strategy. I was too horrified by the perm to (fortunately) listen to anything they said. Women are bombarded with that since birth it seems. Men too but not for the beauty stuff. Learning to ignore it all is a huge relief.

It's not just a women thing.  If you wanted to play guitar in the 80s as a dude in a rock band, you pretty much had to get a perm to be taken seriously.


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/9c/12/aa9c122a9780c55ad99554425d6f2a4e.jpg)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5UOqr5nA1oY/sddefault.jpg)

(https://img.women.com/images/images/000/021/020/large/Screen_Shot_2016-04-29_at_3.25.12_PM.png?1461968925)


The perm fad has damaged people of both sexes equally.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Tardis81 on March 06, 2020, 03:43:08 PM
Real estate agent was walking door-to-door in our neighbourhood. He gave me a leaflet and a speech on how if we are willing to sell, his agency guarantees to sell our house at the HIGHEST POSSIBLE price, stopping at nothing and going to all lengths necessary. When I replied that we are actually just renting this house, he eagerly switched to "Well, are you looking to buy then?". I laughed at his face. If I was looking to buy, I certainly wouldn't go to people who sell at the highest possible price!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: lv2glrfy on March 06, 2020, 03:43:50 PM
On car financing: some of the car dealers around my hood (and especially dodge dealers) were charging $1000 extra if you paid cash for any car, used or new. So if you bought a $4000 used car and wanted to pay cash it would be $5000. Sheesh! They also had a new car incentive program for people with low credit score to be able to finance a shiny new car and would get $1700 off the purchase price. I imagine the interest rate was high but at least those with crappy credit score below 600-ish could get a Brand New Dodge Ram Super-Duper Monster Truck!
Man, that's sleazy. What an awful industry, honestly.

I appreciate the tips about not saying "cash," but we weren't planning on buying that car at all, even a little bit--if we were, we wouldn't have said that. Only went there because we had never driven a Prius C before. The cash answer came out because that doggone salesman kept asking questions...and our total disinterest in that particular car just made his aggressive tactics even more annoying.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: spartana on March 06, 2020, 04:01:23 PM



But only because the sales lady told me how if I wore a certain shade of lipstick (only $99.99) called "Assassin Red" I would be seen as a "Strong and Confident Woman".
Maybe you need some Assassin Red hair dye. ;)
meh..why be Assassin Red when you can be Atomic Blonde ;-).
Why not be both?
  Pennywise the clown with blonde highlights? Very chic!

I've only been to a salon once in my life (oh that '90s perm...shudder) and I remember the very serious hard sell they tried on every single product they had using the "you'd look better if" strategy. I was too horrified by the perm to (fortunately) listen to anything they said. Women are bombarded with that since birth it seems. Men too but not for the beauty stuff. Learning to ignore it all is a huge relief.

It's not just a women thing.  If you wanted to play guitar in the 80s as a dude in a rock band, you pretty much had to get a perm to be taken seriously.


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/9c/12/aa9c122a9780c55ad99554425d6f2a4e.jpg)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5UOqr5nA1oY/sddefault.jpg)

(https://img.women.com/images/images/000/021/020/large/Screen_Shot_2016-04-29_at_3.25.12_PM.png?1461968925)


The perm fad has damaged people of both sexes equally.
And the make up. "Dude you are wearing way too much eye liner!"  Although from a Mustashian POV you can share everything from hair care products and make up to skinny jeans and spandex.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: partgypsy on March 08, 2020, 07:34:10 PM
It's called guyliner.

Been enjoying these stories. When I did a brief internet dating a few years ago, a guy that contacted me, I responded hi. Then he started insulting me! I think he was doing some kind of pua, but very badly. I just stopped responding, but wanted to ask him, does this actually work for you? 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on March 08, 2020, 09:28:50 PM
Quote
The perm fad has damaged people of both sexes equally.
And the make up. "Dude you are wearing way too much eye liner!"  Although from a Mustashian POV you can share everything from hair care products and make up to skinny jeans and spandex.
They're all visually interchangeable, so they probably could. And if they all get pink-eye, call it Emo and make bank.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Missy B on May 19, 2020, 01:59:57 AM
I had gone into the bank to do something like adjust the line of credit I never use, and the banker dropped what I'd asked him to do so he could try to sell me a mortgage (this kind of thing happened repeatedly, my bank was very aggressive with cross-selling).
Because of the insane housing market here, it would have actually worked out great for me, but at the time no one knew the market would go up as much as it did.
He looked at the numbers on the screen that represented my net worth, which was pretty good for someone my age, and his eyes widened a bit, and he said, "you could get a mortgage!"
And I said, "I don't think that's in my best interest financially."
And he disagreed, and I just rolled out the scenario -"It would be at least $260K for me to get an apartment equivalent to what I'm living in now, and at the current interest rates that's going to be $1200 a month in mortgage payments, with about $100 in equity..." and he's nodding, and going 'uh huh' and stabbing at his calculator while I do the math in my head. "...and my rent is $600..."
"Well that money is going down the drain!"
"If I have a mortgage, then $1100 is going down the drain. Interest is money down the drain just as surely as rent is. Renting I'm ahead $500 a month."
He stops, because apparently no one has ever (!) made that argument to him before.
"Well, some people need forced savings."
"Well, I don't." This, he cannot argue.
Now, the ending to this story is ironic because if I'd been a weak-willed little pushover, and gone out and bought something because I couldn't do math, I would be richer and have lower expenses. But neither of us knew that at the time.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dave1442397 on May 20, 2020, 06:34:18 AM
Now, the ending to this story is ironic because if I'd been a weak-willed little pushover, and gone out and bought something because I couldn't do math, I would be richer and have lower expenses. But neither of us knew that at the time.

As you say, you never know! I keep an eye on houses for sale around my neighborhood, and I see houses that were bought in 2007/2008 selling for just barely above those prices now. Those people were basically paying rent, and a very high rent at that, considering that property taxes alone run at least $8k/yr for a house here.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: MoolahLula on May 21, 2020, 07:34:50 AM
“Deserve” sends me over the edge too.  GAG!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Padonak on May 21, 2020, 08:11:24 AM
A lot of you people are very easily offended.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Takk on May 21, 2020, 09:03:01 AM
Thank you for adding to the conversation!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Kris on May 21, 2020, 09:18:14 AM
A lot of you people are very easily offended.

LOL. Imagine feeling such a strong need to feel better than others that you come onto a thread just to say this.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: MaybeBecca on May 21, 2020, 11:08:59 AM
I lost 125 lbs and went to a plastic surgeon for a consultation for skin removal (yes I know this is an expensive thing; I feel very lucky to have been able to afford it and don't regret it at all).  First thing he said to me when he looked under the gown was "odd shaped chest".

I went to someone else (and saved a couple hundred doing so, bonus).
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on May 21, 2020, 12:22:23 PM
I lost 125 lbs and went to a plastic surgeon for a consultation for skin removal (yes I know this is an expensive thing; I feel very lucky to have been able to afford it and don't regret it at all).  First thing he said to me when he looked under the gown was "odd shaped chest".

I went to someone else (and saved a couple hundred doing so, bonus).
Good lord, you would think that someone in the plastic surgery business would have better sense than to openly comment on how people look.

I have zero experience with what you have gone through but I am sure it was money well spent. My aunt used to swim daily and another regular at her pool had also lost a ton of weight. Ex dot her insurance wouldn’t pay to have the excess skin removed and she apparently couldn’t afford it. My aunt dubbed her “the thousand year old woman” due to the excess skin.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: DadJokes on May 21, 2020, 12:26:24 PM
I lost 125 lbs and went to a plastic surgeon for a consultation for skin removal (yes I know this is an expensive thing; I feel very lucky to have been able to afford it and don't regret it at all).  First thing he said to me when he looked under the gown was "odd shaped chest".

I went to someone else (and saved a couple hundred doing so, bonus).
Good lord, you would think that someone in the plastic surgery business would have better sense than to openly comment on how people look.

I have zero experience with what you have gone through but I am sure it was money well spent. My aunt used to swim daily and another regular at her pool had also lost a ton of weight. Ex dot her insurance wouldn’t pay to have the excess skin removed and she apparently couldn’t afford it. My aunt dubbed her “the thousand year old woman” due to the excess skin.

Maybe he was trying to plant a little seed of self-doubt, setting her up for future business. It's probably effective on many people.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Padonak on May 21, 2020, 01:07:29 PM
Thank you for adding to the conversation!

This looks like sarcasm to me. I'm offended too lol.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: jinga nation on May 21, 2020, 02:54:22 PM
At a branch of my bank, forced to make a visit as needed a wire transfer to close on a rental investment property.

Her, working on the wire transfer, per a printout I've provided: "We have very attractive mortgage rates, we can beat any offer."
Me: "Can you please focus on the task? I don't want any errors."
Her, with a sly smile: "Sure, but have you thought about a mortgage?"
Me: "why don't we have that chat after the wire is done?"

A few minutes later,
Her: "are you looking for a new home purchase or a refinance?"
Me: "that wire transfer was for an investment property, paid in cash, closed in 7 calendar days." (It was only USD 55k)
Her, with mouth agape: "what?"
Me: "How long would it take your bank, best-case, to process a loan on an investment property?"
Her: "At least 14 days... I have to ask my manager"
Me: "this is why we can't do business on loans. you guys are slow, too slow, my deals are faster than you guys can pick up a pen or click a mouse. This isn't my first deal, not my last, y'all need to up your game."

Thanked her, took my copy of the wire, and bailed out of the branch, evading the manager who wanted to chat for "business opportunities".

The next time I was in a branch, 5 years later, was to change our account beneficiaries to our trust. They wanted to sell us a bunch of products, I evaded all attempts for small talk.

Finally, we had to sit with the Merrill-Lynch person in the office, as she's the only one who know how to handle trusts. She asked a couple of questions about investments, I told her I use a simple portfolio using index funds from Vanguard. She said I could have the funds at zero-cost at ML. Asked her why would I do that, when my employer has set up the 401(k) with Vanguard, so it would be prudent to keep it all there. She looked at me, smiled, and said "well, looks like you know what you're doing. I won't keep you any longer." She's the nicest person in that branch, cuts to the chase.

I hate that bank employees are pressured to upsell constantly, they've replaced car salespersons as the new vultures.
Meanwhile, our new hybrid car purchase last August was super smooth and pressure-free, from arrival to payment to delivery in under an hour, all negotiation having occurred via email.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Travis on May 21, 2020, 08:14:32 PM


I hate that bank employees are pressured to upsell constantly, they've replaced car salespersons as the new vultures.

Can't escape it. It doesn't matter if it's in person, on the phone, or on a website. I'm forced to wait or click through attempts to sell me stuff.

At one of my banks it's obvious the teller doesn't care, but is required to read the script at the beginning or end of every transaction.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Missy B on May 21, 2020, 10:48:47 PM
I did have a guy I was dating who once said I'd be beautiful if

This is the point where you know that the guy you're dating is an asshole.
yeah seriously. I never got the "insult hiden in a compliment insult" thing. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything. I see this happen.with sales people all the time. They do the reverse compliment/insult thing to sell you something. Many of the experiences in this thread really highlight that. It is sad that it works with so many people. But not mustashians of course. Otherwise I'd probably have nice nails and be less of the hideous beast I apparently am ;-)

There is an entire school of thought-- common, I am told, in the Pick-Up Artist community-- that states people are more likely to value and want to please folks who put them down. Apparently putting someone down is a status signal that is supposed to elevate the person doing it and to project confidence, thereby helping increase the odds that the person putting the customer (or date) down will get what he or she wants. It's a sleazeball move and it doesn't surprise me that high pressure salespeople have adopted it.

I've never agreed with the notion that putting other people down is, or should be, an acceptable social practice. But based on observation I think it probably works if you're interacting with a person with low confidence or low status. I'm immune to the approach because of an accident of birth: putting me down generally results in me deciding that the person doing this is an insecure shit-for-brains and therefore a legitimate target. It's hard to out-snark a scythe-wielding rubber duck who thinks that confrontation is a spectator sport and that insults ought to be graded based on originality and technical difficulty.

Slapping the alpha wolf, or a scythe wielding quacker, has only one predictable outcome.

I read the Pickup artist book - forgot the title. It was much better than I expected, because the author - Neil something - had no illusions about himself or the other characters he was learning from. There were 'natural PUA's in their 'community', but most of the guys, like himself, had never succeeded with women and were kind of obsessed with evening the score.
Negging works best on pretty women who are used to being told all the time how hot they are. And who are a bit insecure -- woman are programmed to be so that part is easy. If you say something a little mean to a very hot woman who is always hearing what a babe she is, you cut through the noise and get noticed, and yeah, she may now want you to upgrade your opinion of her.
But it doesn't work on women who weren't told they were super hot their whole lives. They've been negged plenty, its not new, and even if they're still insecure about how they look they don't want the approval of a jerk.
To actually neg someone effectively requires a lot of skill at reading people. I actually tried it on some super-hot guys that I thought were out of my league, and it did actually work. They were usually a little vain about something, so it was all about finding something to say that wasn't mean, that was true, and saying it the right way.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on May 22, 2020, 02:34:07 AM
I did have a guy I was dating who once said I'd be beautiful if

This is the point where you know that the guy you're dating is an asshole.
yeah seriously. I never got the "insult hiden in a compliment insult" thing. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything. I see this happen.with sales people all the time. They do the reverse compliment/insult thing to sell you something. Many of the experiences in this thread really highlight that. It is sad that it works with so many people. But not mustashians of course. Otherwise I'd probably have nice nails and be less of the hideous beast I apparently am ;-)

There is an entire school of thought-- common, I am told, in the Pick-Up Artist community-- that states people are more likely to value and want to please folks who put them down. Apparently putting someone down is a status signal that is supposed to elevate the person doing it and to project confidence, thereby helping increase the odds that the person putting the customer (or date) down will get what he or she wants. It's a sleazeball move and it doesn't surprise me that high pressure salespeople have adopted it.

I've never agreed with the notion that putting other people down is, or should be, an acceptable social practice. But based on observation I think it probably works if you're interacting with a person with low confidence or low status. I'm immune to the approach because of an accident of birth: putting me down generally results in me deciding that the person doing this is an insecure shit-for-brains and therefore a legitimate target. It's hard to out-snark a scythe-wielding rubber duck who thinks that confrontation is a spectator sport and that insults ought to be graded based on originality and technical difficulty.

Slapping the alpha wolf, or a scythe wielding quacker, has only one predictable outcome.

I read the Pickup artist book - forgot the title. It was much better than I expected, because the author - Neil something - had no illusions about himself or the other characters he was learning from. There were 'natural PUA's in their 'community', but most of the guys, like himself, had never succeeded with women and were kind of obsessed with evening the score.
Negging works best on pretty women who are used to being told all the time how hot they are. And who are a bit insecure -- woman are programmed to be so that part is easy. If you say something a little mean to a very hot woman who is always hearing what a babe she is, you cut through the noise and get noticed, and yeah, she may now want you to upgrade your opinion of her.
But it doesn't work on women who weren't told they were super hot their whole lives. They've been negged plenty, its not new, and even if they're still insecure about how they look they don't want the approval of a jerk.
To actually neg someone effectively requires a lot of skill at reading people. I actually tried it on some super-hot guys that I thought were out of my league, and it did actually work. They were usually a little vain about something, so it was all about finding something to say that wasn't mean, that was true, and saying it the right way.

Whether it works or not, I would find it too stupid and manipulative to use myself, and I would question whether I'd want to be noticed by the people it works well on. Do I want a hot, vain guy with insecurities? Um..... not really.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ExitViaTheCashRamp on May 22, 2020, 01:20:29 PM
Obligatory XKCD:

(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/pickup_artist.png)
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: SwordGuy on May 22, 2020, 08:19:48 PM
Obligatory XKCD:

(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/pickup_artist.png)

I married a woman like that.  She's awesome!

And the favorite women in my life have all been like that, too.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on May 22, 2020, 09:21:10 PM
Obligatory XKCD:

(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/pickup_artist.png)

My version of that comic usually ends with me telling dimwit to fuck off, and dimwit telling me I have a lot to learn......
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: halftimer on May 22, 2020, 10:30:21 PM
[xkcd comic snip]
I had to go find the comic so I wouldn't miss the rollover text
"Son, don't try to play 'make you feel bad' with the Michael Jordon of making you feel bad"

Worst sales pitch (that I fell for) was when I tried on an outfit and commented it had a strange neckline and the fabric clung. The attendant merely said "to the contrary..." which at the time I interpreted as I should buy this. But thinking back on how horrible that outfit was, it was just a meaningless phrase that was designed to get me to buy and not be realistic.  So it was the worst not in that it was offensive, just that I can't believe such a bland, meaningless statement from a person nearby got me to spend money. Such regret for such a small purchase.

Now remembering what was actually a large purchase with all the red flags (again I fell for it). Buying a used Subaru, a model suggested by a friend who is a brand loyalist and told me it was a fantastic deal. We met the dealer on Saturday at his unmarked warehouse, filled with luxury cars and just the one SUV. I asked why he doesn't advertise and why he has one outlier car, he replied that he sells specialty cars and already has a clientele but this car was a trade in for one of the better models, which was plausible. The test drive went well, and I wanted to wait a few days to finalize for when the bank opened but he put on the pressure saying that he had other potential buyers booked to see it throughout the weekend. It was a good deal so we signed, but would only be able to pick up the car on Monday when we brought the bank draft. So we left a deposit and headed home with the paperwork. At which point I reflected on the uneasy feeling that his warehouse of luxury cars gave me, and the badly photocopied bill of sale I was holding. So I looked up the resources for checking stolen cars and unauthorized dealers. I learned that the particular car we were getting was not stolen (sigh of relief) but that his dealer license expired 6 months prior! I worried all weekend that we were out the deposit, that he wouldn't be there when we showed up, or that the car that we now really wanted was going to evaporate. It all worked out in the end and we got a fantastic deal, and he was given a hefty fine by the authorities for not having the correct licensing but it didn't affect our sale.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: jinga nation on May 24, 2020, 07:31:26 PM
[xkcd comic snip]
I had to go find the comic so I wouldn't miss the rollover text
"Son, don't try to play 'make you feel bad' with the Michael Jordon of making you feel bad"

thank you for posting the alt-text.
https://xkcd.com/1027/
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: clarkfan1979 on May 25, 2020, 10:04:24 PM
I had two very unprofessional conversations when declining the insurance on a rental car. I was early 20's and I had a woman yelling at me (not screaming, but yelling) because I wouldn't buy the insurance. About 2 years ago I declined the gas tank option on the rental car. The counter guy started making fun of me because I declined everything and said, "I guess you don't like saving money." I replied, "I guess not."

I had a bank teller offer me a credit card when I was in my mid to late 20's. I declined. He replied with something like, "I guess you aren't very good at managing money."

Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Gremlin on May 26, 2020, 01:43:30 AM
I had two very unprofessional conversations when declining the insurance on a rental car. I was early 20's and I had a woman yelling at me (not screaming, but yelling) because I wouldn't buy the insurance. About 2 years ago I declined the gas tank option on the rental car. The counter guy started making fun of me because I declined everything and said, "I guess you don't like saving money." I replied, "I guess not."

I had a bank teller offer me a credit card when I was in my mid to late 20's. I declined. He replied with something like, "I guess you aren't very good at managing money."

I had someone at the bank throw the same line at me in a very similar situation.  I replied, "I guess you aren't very good at cross-selling."  The look on the guy's face was priceless!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Travis on May 26, 2020, 07:43:16 AM
I had two very unprofessional conversations when declining the insurance on a rental car. I was early 20's and I had a woman yelling at me (not screaming, but yelling) because I wouldn't buy the insurance. About 2 years ago I declined the gas tank option on the rental car. The counter guy started making fun of me because I declined everything and said, "I guess you don't like saving money." I replied, "I guess not."

I had a bank teller offer me a credit card when I was in my mid to late 20's. I declined. He replied with something like, "I guess you aren't very good at managing money."

I had someone at the bank throw the same line at me in a very similar situation.  I replied, "I guess you aren't very good at cross-selling."  The look on the guy's face was priceless!

That was my thought as well. You're a banker. If you think I need help managing my money, you should be upselling the shit out of your bank's services to me. Also, didn't you just look at my balance a second ago?
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on May 26, 2020, 12:54:45 PM
This didn't happen to me, but to a young colleague of mine who had just landed his first job as an engineer. He was at a car rental place and the fellow behind the counter was trying to up-sell him on the loss damage waiver (when his company had a contract that provided LDW coverage for all vehicles rented). My friend politely turned down the extra coverage.

The salesman said, sarcastically: "I thought you were smart."

My young friend, always savvy, replied: "Would you like to compare paychecks?"
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Hadilly on May 26, 2020, 02:06:36 PM
I accidentally negged my now partner early on in our dating life by telling him that it was good his looks made up for his intellectual shortcomings. He took it as a compliment to his attractiveness because anyone who gets a Science paper while motoring through their MD-PhD has no doubts as to their smarts.

The worst thing anyone has said to me when trying to sell was a Clinique saleswoman who suggested I buy her products because of my aging skin. I told her I was almost 22 and walked away.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: markbike528CBX on May 26, 2020, 06:35:55 PM
Good coronavirus news:

There is no time, inclination for a bank upsell.

Scenario:
Me, taking backup hard drive to/from safety deposit box.  An appointment is required.
At the appointed time, employees unlock the front door, I get into/out of my safe deposit box.
Even with masks all around, no one attempts small talk/ upsell. 

I had a stimulus check that I had  tried to deposit via ATM, but it didn't work (Donald J. Trump, President, credit not good at ATM).  But I got it done anyway, via teller/door opener.

Irrelevant side note: I was riding the bike whose engine is my avatar pic.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on May 26, 2020, 10:32:42 PM
I accidentally negged my now partner early on in our dating life by telling him that it was good his looks made up for his intellectual shortcomings. He took it as a compliment to his attractiveness because anyone who gets a Science paper while motoring through their MD-PhD has no doubts as to their smarts.

The worst thing anyone has said to me when trying to sell was a Clinique saleswoman who suggested I buy her products because of my aging skin. I told her I was almost 22 and walked away.
I tell my husband all the time that I married him for his beauty!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: jfer_rose on May 27, 2020, 06:01:03 AM
Posting to follow. I can't believe some of these stories!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on May 27, 2020, 11:11:01 PM
Today no one was trying to sell me anything, but I was trying to buy something. The guy behind the counter and a woman in front of it were having a lengthy social conversation. I waited five minutes and then decided to butt in, which I did politely by saying excuse me a couple of times. After the third time, the guy snapped at me to just wait patiently! Pretty pleased with my response here, because I'm not usually so quick off the mark. I said very loudly so the other staff at the back of the store could hear 'You know what? How about YOU wait patiently for me to bother trying to spend money here again??" and put my would -be purchase on the counter in front of him.... and left. I won't be going back there :)
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on May 28, 2020, 07:40:20 AM
Today no one was trying to sell me anything, but I was trying to buy something. The guy behind the counter and a woman in front of it were having a lengthy social conversation. I waited five minutes and then decided to butt in, which I did politely by saying excuse me a couple of times. After the third time, the guy snapped at me to just wait patiently! Pretty pleased with my response here, because I'm not usually so quick off the mark. I said very loudly so the other staff at the back of the store could hear 'You know what? How about YOU wait patiently for me to bother trying to spend money here again??" and put my would -be purchase on the counter in front of him.... and left. I won't be going back there :)

You'd think that, in the middle of a global pandemic when so many businesses are failing, the people at the counter would be very happy and excited to sell something. I do believe there are people who WANT to be out of work and business owners who WANT to go bankrupt because it's preferable to actually doing business. Then the people who did not want to do business bitch and moan because the rent or the utility bill is due and they can't pay it. Hefty unemployment benefits and COVID-19 payouts won't last forever.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: projekt on May 28, 2020, 07:41:37 AM
Today no one was trying to sell me anything, but I was trying to buy something. The guy behind the counter and a woman in front of it were having a lengthy social conversation. I waited five minutes and then decided to butt in, which I did politely by saying excuse me a couple of times. After the third time, the guy snapped at me to just wait patiently! Pretty pleased with my response here, because I'm not usually so quick off the mark. I said very loudly so the other staff at the back of the store could hear 'You know what? How about YOU wait patiently for me to bother trying to spend money here again??" and put my would -be purchase on the counter in front of him.... and left. I won't be going back there :)
These stories rarely happen "just because" in the US, probably because of the inane customer service focus. But if it *does* happen, it's probably because the people behind the counter actually don't like you. They're racist, or they don't think you're cool enough to shop there, or whatever.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dicey on May 28, 2020, 07:58:59 AM
Today no one was trying to sell me anything, but I was trying to buy something. The guy behind the counter and a woman in front of it were having a lengthy social conversation. I waited five minutes and then decided to butt in, which I did politely by saying excuse me a couple of times. After the third time, the guy snapped at me to just wait patiently! Pretty pleased with my response here, because I'm not usually so quick off the mark. I said very loudly so the other staff at the back of the store could hear 'You know what? How about YOU wait patiently for me to bother trying to spend money here again??" and put my would -be purchase on the counter in front of him.... and left. I won't be going back there :)
These stories rarely happen "just because" in the US, probably because of the inane customer service focus. But if it *does* happen, it's probably because the people behind the counter actually don't like you. They're racist, or they don't think you're cool enough to shop there, or whatever.
I respectfully and completely disagree with your conclusions, @projekt. However, in Anna's situation, I would have asked for the owner or manager. Well, knowing me, I would have just gone and found them myself. Absent one, or if this idiot was the manager, I would have called or emailed HQ as soon as I had left the store. The jerk at the counter doesn't give a shit if you buy something or not. Frankly, a photograph of the offender sent to HQ or, as a last resort, posted on Social Media would be the ideal resolution, IMO.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on May 28, 2020, 09:44:29 AM
Today no one was trying to sell me anything, but I was trying to buy something. The guy behind the counter and a woman in front of it were having a lengthy social conversation. I waited five minutes and then decided to butt in, which I did politely by saying excuse me a couple of times. After the third time, the guy snapped at me to just wait patiently! Pretty pleased with my response here, because I'm not usually so quick off the mark. I said very loudly so the other staff at the back of the store could hear 'You know what? How about YOU wait patiently for me to bother trying to spend money here again??" and put my would -be purchase on the counter in front of him.... and left. I won't be going back there :)
These stories rarely happen "just because" in the US, probably because of the inane customer service focus. But if it *does* happen, it's probably because the people behind the counter actually don't like you. They're racist, or they don't think you're cool enough to shop there, or whatever.

It may depend on where you are in the US, and what kind of business it is. Mall shops, for example, are notorious for pretending to offer a commission but tricking employees into working only minimum wage, or less once mandatory fees such as uniform rentals or purchases are factored in.

It's because in the fine print there's a statement saying that minimum wage is guaranteed but the sales are commission based. It's possible to exceed minimum wage IF you get high-traffic hours, IF you are actually out on the sales floor, and IF your manager isn't a commission-stealer. In practice, most retail managers stand at the register and skim the cream during the high-traffic times of the day. The high-traffic hours go to the managers, the assistant managers, and people they like. During these times, if other employees are present they are sent to the back to do inventory and only allowed to work the desk when it's slow. The same thing happens if an employee is in the process of making a big sale: the boss will come over and order the employee to do something else so that he or she can "finish ringing it up". The result is that the commission gets credited to the manager even though the employee did the work. This is how most "high-achieving" managers win regional and national awards for sales: they steal commissions. If the employees don't like it-- tough luck! They cannot quit and pursue employment with a similar retailer (to take advantage of their experience) because as a condition of employment they signed a non-compete contract. Originally intended to protect the intellectual property and customer base of established businesses by making it hard to take source code or other IP to a competitor, non-compete agreements are now used to keep entry-level employees from quitting in response to abuse or low pay. Much of the time, although it's usually illegal, they are required to work off the clock or "bank" overtime hours (and yes, they are required to sign an agreement to do this as a condition of employment.

The end result of all the employee abuse is that there's no incentive to actually make sales. Sears, for example, was notorious for having staff that didn't care whether they sold product. Overall, the only people who benefit from chain stores tend to be the billionaires and hedge fund managers. If a business is good for the shareholding investors, it's generally because it's bad for the front-line workers, bad for the customers, and bad for pretty much everyone except the top echelon whose main purpose in life is to gut the company by selling off everything of value, create maximum inflation of the share price for at least a brief period of time, long enough for the insiders to benefit while staying at least nominally within the laws related to insider trading, and then dump the shell (and the employees and customers).
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on May 28, 2020, 06:35:34 PM
Today no one was trying to sell me anything, but I was trying to buy something. The guy behind the counter and a woman in front of it were having a lengthy social conversation. I waited five minutes and then decided to butt in, which I did politely by saying excuse me a couple of times. After the third time, the guy snapped at me to just wait patiently! Pretty pleased with my response here, because I'm not usually so quick off the mark. I said very loudly so the other staff at the back of the store could hear 'You know what? How about YOU wait patiently for me to bother trying to spend money here again??" and put my would -be purchase on the counter in front of him.... and left. I won't be going back there :)
These stories rarely happen "just because" in the US, probably because of the inane customer service focus. But if it *does* happen, it's probably because the people behind the counter actually don't like you. They're racist, or they don't think you're cool enough to shop there, or whatever.

Well, I'm not in the US. I've been in the US, and I wasn't that impressed with the general customer service...

Anyway, in this case, the counter guy was just more interested in chatting than serving customers. I didn't know them, I'm not from any ethnicity, and it was a hardware store that presumably has few limits on the coolness or otherwise of it's customers.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on May 28, 2020, 06:40:10 PM
Today no one was trying to sell me anything, but I was trying to buy something. The guy behind the counter and a woman in front of it were having a lengthy social conversation. I waited five minutes and then decided to butt in, which I did politely by saying excuse me a couple of times. After the third time, the guy snapped at me to just wait patiently! Pretty pleased with my response here, because I'm not usually so quick off the mark. I said very loudly so the other staff at the back of the store could hear 'You know what? How about YOU wait patiently for me to bother trying to spend money here again??" and put my would -be purchase on the counter in front of him.... and left. I won't be going back there :)
These stories rarely happen "just because" in the US, probably because of the inane customer service focus. But if it *does* happen, it's probably because the people behind the counter actually don't like you. They're racist, or they don't think you're cool enough to shop there, or whatever.
I respectfully and completely disagree with your conclusions, @projekt. However, in Anna's situation, I would have asked for the owner or manager. Well, knowing me, I would have just gone and found them myself. Absent one, or if this idiot was the manager, I would have called or emailed HQ as soon as I had left the store. The jerk at the counter doesn't give a shit if you buy something or not. Frankly, a photograph of the offender sent to HQ or, as a last resort, posted on Social Media would be the ideal resolution, IMO.

I've spoken to managers in the past. Couldn't be bothered this time, and I'm also fairly sure the owner was in the back. Small local hardware store. Convenient but not the cheapest, not the best stocked, and plenty of other places not that far away. No great loss to me.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dicey on May 28, 2020, 10:37:09 PM
Today no one was trying to sell me anything, but I was trying to buy something. The guy behind the counter and a woman in front of it were having a lengthy social conversation. I waited five minutes and then decided to butt in, which I did politely by saying excuse me a couple of times. After the third time, the guy snapped at me to just wait patiently! Pretty pleased with my response here, because I'm not usually so quick off the mark. I said very loudly so the other staff at the back of the store could hear 'You know what? How about YOU wait patiently for me to bother trying to spend money here again??" and put my would -be purchase on the counter in front of him.... and left. I won't be going back there :)
These stories rarely happen "just because" in the US, probably because of the inane customer service focus. But if it *does* happen, it's probably because the people behind the counter actually don't like you. They're racist, or they don't think you're cool enough to shop there, or whatever.
I respectfully and completely disagree with your conclusions, @projekt. However, in Anna's situation, I would have asked for the owner or manager. Well, knowing me, I would have just gone and found them myself. Absent one, or if this idiot was the manager, I would have called or emailed HQ as soon as I had left the store. The jerk at the counter doesn't give a shit if you buy something or not. Frankly, a photograph of the offender sent to HQ or, as a last resort, posted on Social Media would be the ideal resolution, IMO.

I've spoken to managers in the past. Couldn't be bothered this time, and I'm also fairly sure the owner was in the back. Small local hardware store. Convenient but not the cheapest, not the best stocked, and plenty of other places not that far away. No great loss to me.
Still frustrating to be treated so rudely.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on May 29, 2020, 12:54:54 AM
Today no one was trying to sell me anything, but I was trying to buy something. The guy behind the counter and a woman in front of it were having a lengthy social conversation. I waited five minutes and then decided to butt in, which I did politely by saying excuse me a couple of times. After the third time, the guy snapped at me to just wait patiently! Pretty pleased with my response here, because I'm not usually so quick off the mark. I said very loudly so the other staff at the back of the store could hear 'You know what? How about YOU wait patiently for me to bother trying to spend money here again??" and put my would -be purchase on the counter in front of him.... and left. I won't be going back there :)
These stories rarely happen "just because" in the US, probably because of the inane customer service focus. But if it *does* happen, it's probably because the people behind the counter actually don't like you. They're racist, or they don't think you're cool enough to shop there, or whatever.
I respectfully and completely disagree with your conclusions, @projekt. However, in Anna's situation, I would have asked for the owner or manager. Well, knowing me, I would have just gone and found them myself. Absent one, or if this idiot was the manager, I would have called or emailed HQ as soon as I had left the store. The jerk at the counter doesn't give a shit if you buy something or not. Frankly, a photograph of the offender sent to HQ or, as a last resort, posted on Social Media would be the ideal resolution, IMO.

I've spoken to managers in the past. Couldn't be bothered this time, and I'm also fairly sure the owner was in the back. Small local hardware store. Convenient but not the cheapest, not the best stocked, and plenty of other places not that far away. No great loss to me.
Still frustrating to be treated so rudely.

And yet wonderfully satisfying to feel I responded well!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dicey on May 29, 2020, 08:49:07 AM
Today no one was trying to sell me anything, but I was trying to buy something. The guy behind the counter and a woman in front of it were having a lengthy social conversation. I waited five minutes and then decided to butt in, which I did politely by saying excuse me a couple of times. After the third time, the guy snapped at me to just wait patiently! Pretty pleased with my response here, because I'm not usually so quick off the mark. I said very loudly so the other staff at the back of the store could hear 'You know what? How about YOU wait patiently for me to bother trying to spend money here again??" and put my would -be purchase on the counter in front of him.... and left. I won't be going back there :)
These stories rarely happen "just because" in the US, probably because of the inane customer service focus. But if it *does* happen, it's probably because the people behind the counter actually don't like you. They're racist, or they don't think you're cool enough to shop there, or whatever.
I respectfully and completely disagree with your conclusions, @projekt. However, in Anna's situation, I would have asked for the owner or manager. Well, knowing me, I would have just gone and found them myself. Absent one, or if this idiot was the manager, I would have called or emailed HQ as soon as I had left the store. The jerk at the counter doesn't give a shit if you buy something or not. Frankly, a photograph of the offender sent to HQ or, as a last resort, posted on Social Media would be the ideal resolution, IMO.

I've spoken to managers in the past. Couldn't be bothered this time, and I'm also fairly sure the owner was in the back. Small local hardware store. Convenient but not the cheapest, not the best stocked, and plenty of other places not that far away. No great loss to me.
Still frustrating to be treated so rudely.

And yet wonderfully satisfying to feel I responded well!
To be clear, my response was mostly triggered by projekt's off the wall (IMO) assumptions. I can fully appreciate the thrill of coming up with a solid comeback on the spot. Believe me, i grok how hard it is to do, especially when someone has royally pissed you off!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: projekt on May 29, 2020, 12:40:41 PM
Today no one was trying to sell me anything, but I was trying to buy something. The guy behind the counter and a woman in front of it were having a lengthy social conversation. I waited five minutes and then decided to butt in, which I did politely by saying excuse me a couple of times. After the third time, the guy snapped at me to just wait patiently! Pretty pleased with my response here, because I'm not usually so quick off the mark. I said very loudly so the other staff at the back of the store could hear 'You know what? How about YOU wait patiently for me to bother trying to spend money here again??" and put my would -be purchase on the counter in front of him.... and left. I won't be going back there :)
These stories rarely happen "just because" in the US, probably because of the inane customer service focus. But if it *does* happen, it's probably because the people behind the counter actually don't like you. They're racist, or they don't think you're cool enough to shop there, or whatever.
I respectfully and completely disagree with your conclusions, @projekt. However, in Anna's situation, I would have asked for the owner or manager. Well, knowing me, I would have just gone and found them myself. Absent one, or if this idiot was the manager, I would have called or emailed HQ as soon as I had left the store. The jerk at the counter doesn't give a shit if you buy something or not. Frankly, a photograph of the offender sent to HQ or, as a last resort, posted on Social Media would be the ideal resolution, IMO.

I've spoken to managers in the past. Couldn't be bothered this time, and I'm also fairly sure the owner was in the back. Small local hardware store. Convenient but not the cheapest, not the best stocked, and plenty of other places not that far away. No great loss to me.
Still frustrating to be treated so rudely.

And yet wonderfully satisfying to feel I responded well!
To be clear, my response was mostly triggered by projekt's off the wall (IMO) assumptions. I can fully appreciate the thrill of coming up with a solid comeback on the spot. Believe me, i grok how hard it is to do, especially when someone has royally pissed you off!
Wow, that escalated.  I was really saying I'm used to poor customer service outside of the US where often the staff seem to have "other priorities". In the US it usually seems that they have some sort of problem with me.  To me that is.  I can only speak of my own experience.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dicey on May 29, 2020, 07:36:22 PM
I'm not going to quote ^that^ whole thing. I'm just going to share some personal experience. I worked at Nordstrom for a decade. We were 100% commission. It was incumbent on us to help everybody, while making each person feel like they were the center of the universe. (Never let'em see you juggle.) Early on in my sales career I'd had a couple of experiences where people who didn't seem to have much to spend actually did, so I never let looks deceive me. I used to train my staff that it was easy to stuff a credit card or wad of cash in a really inconspicuous place (shoe, sock, pocket, waistband, money belt, bra - seen 'em all) and to always assume that's what each person they encountered in our store had.

Most times when someone complained about poor treatment, they tended blame it on how they were dressed. News Flash: We don't GAF what you're wearing. If you fought traffic, got a parking space and found your way here, you must need something. More likely, the complainer was the person who felt less confident about their appearance or was somehow personally intimidated by the general environment. @project, your assumptions in the quote below were really triggering for me, hence my response. Why the fuck would you think a salesperson/clerk etc. wouldn't like you? They don't even know you!

However, you have since indicated that you're basing your response on the norms of another country, and mine was based on ten years of the Nordstrom environment, which had to be about the most extreme retail customer experience there was, at least in those days.

Projekt Pro Tip: If you're feeling like a fish out of water, pretend you have a thousand bucks in your pocket and full discretion as to whether or not you will choose to spend it. Look the salesperson straight in the eye. Say hello and smile. I suspect you will be amazed at the way their treatment of you improves. Great salespeople can smell confidence, no matter how you're dressed.

But if it *does* happen, it's probably because the people behind the counter actually don't like you. They're racist, or they don't think you're cool enough to shop there, or whatever.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on May 29, 2020, 10:36:40 PM
I'm not going to quote ^that^ whole thing. I'm just going to share some personal experience. I worked at Nordstrom for a decade. We were 100% commission. It was incumbent on us to help everybody, while making each person feel like they were the center of the universe. (Never let'em see you juggle.) Early on in my sales career I'd had a couple of experiences where people who didn't seem to have much to spend actually did, so I never let looks deceive me. I used to train my staff that it was easy to stuff a credit card or wad of cash in a really inconspicuous place (shoe, sock, pocket, waistband, money belt, bra - seen 'em all) and to always assume that's what each person they encountered in our store had.

Most times when someone complained about poor treatment, they tended blame it on how they were dressed. News Flash: We don't GAF what you're wearing. If you fought traffic, got a parking space and found your way here, you must need something. More likely, the complainer was the person who felt less confident about their appearance or was somehow personally intimidated by the general environment. @project, your assumptions in the quote below were really triggering for me, hence my response. Why the fuck would you think a salesperson/clerk etc. wouldn't like you? They don't even know you!

However, you have since indicated that you're basing your response on the norms of another country, and mine was based on ten years of the Nordstrom environment, which had to be about the most extreme retail customer experience there was, at least in those days.

Projekt Pro Tip: If you're feeling like a fish out of water, pretend you have a thousand bucks in your pocket and full discretion as to whether or not you will choose to spend it. Look the salesperson straight in the eye. Say hello and smile. I suspect you will be amazed at the way their treatment of you improves. Great salespeople can smell confidence, no matter how you're dressed.

But if it *does* happen, it's probably because the people behind the counter actually don't like you. They're racist, or they don't think you're cool enough to shop there, or whatever.
I’m curious, if you worked that long at Nordstrom’s then presumably you had some combo of enjoying it and being good at it. What did you like about it? I always think of customer-facing jobs as being difficult, or at least having the potential to be so.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Psychstache on May 31, 2020, 11:31:06 AM
I'm not going to quote ^that^ whole thing. I'm just going to share some personal experience. I worked at Nordstrom for a decade. We were 100% commission. It was incumbent on us to help everybody, while making each person feel like they were the center of the universe. (Never let'em see you juggle.) Early on in my sales career I'd had a couple of experiences where people who didn't seem to have much to spend actually did, so I never let looks deceive me. I used to train my staff that it was easy to stuff a credit card or wad of cash in a really inconspicuous place (shoe, sock, pocket, waistband, money belt, bra - seen 'em all) and to always assume that's what each person they encountered in our store had.

Most times when someone complained about poor treatment, they tended blame it on how they were dressed. News Flash: We don't GAF what you're wearing. If you fought traffic, got a parking space and found your way here, you must need something. More likely, the complainer was the person who felt less confident about their appearance or was somehow personally intimidated by the general environment. @project, your assumptions in the quote below were really triggering for me, hence my response. Why the fuck would you think a salesperson/clerk etc. wouldn't like you? They don't even know you!

However, you have since indicated that you're basing your response on the norms of another country, and mine was based on ten years of the Nordstrom environment, which had to be about the most extreme retail customer experience there was, at least in those days.

Projekt Pro Tip: If you're feeling like a fish out of water, pretend you have a thousand bucks in your pocket and full discretion as to whether or not you will choose to spend it. Look the salesperson straight in the eye. Say hello and smile. I suspect you will be amazed at the way their treatment of you improves. Great salespeople can smell confidence, no matter how you're dressed.

But if it *does* happen, it's probably because the people behind the counter actually don't like you. They're racist, or they don't think you're cool enough to shop there, or whatever.
As a counter-point, I worked at Nordstrom for 2 years while i was in grad school, and I DEFINITELY had co-workers who treated people differently based on the way they were dressed/how they looked. It was by no means the majority of my coworkers, but it's unrealistic to say that just because someone if 100% commission based consumer facing they have become immune to bias and prejudice.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dicey on May 31, 2020, 12:30:39 PM
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I’m curious, if you worked that long at Nordstrom’s then presumably you had some combo of enjoying it and being good at it. What did you like about it? I always think of customer-facing jobs as being difficult, or at least having the potential to be so.
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I'm going to cogitate on this and I'll post it in my journal. Part of the reason was their excellent profit sharing and 401k programs. I'm pretty sure when I left, I'd managed to amass about two year's salary. That was the nut that grew into my FIRE fund. I'll ping you when I've written it up. Definitely will be a couple of days.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on May 31, 2020, 01:55:02 PM
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I’m curious, if you worked that long at Nordstrom’s then presumably you had some combo of enjoying it and being good at it. What did you like about it? I always think of customer-facing jobs as being difficult, or at least having the potential to be so.
I'm going to cogitate on this and I'll post it in my journal. Part of the reason was their excellent profit sharing and 401k programs. I'm pretty sure when I left, I'd managed to amass about two year's salary. That was the nut that grew into my FIRE fund. I'll ping you when I've written it up. Definitely will be a couple of days.
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Ah.. that journal that I started, lost my place, and am still something like two years behind? :)

That will give me the nudge I need to catch up finally
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: eyesonthehorizon on May 31, 2020, 05:23:28 PM
It may depend on where you are in the US, and what kind of business it is. Mall shops, for example ... in the fine print there's a statement saying that minimum wage is guaranteed but the sales are commission based. ... In practice, most retail managers stand at the register and skim the cream during the high-traffic times of the day. ... If the employees don't like it-- tough luck! They cannot quit and pursue employment with a similar retailer (to take advantage of their experience) because as a condition of employment they signed a non-compete contract ... used to keep entry-level employees from quitting in response to abuse or low pay. Much of the time, although it's usually illegal, they are required to work off the clock or "bank" overtime hours (and yes, they are required to sign an agreement to do this as a condition of employment.

The end result of all the employee abuse is that there's no incentive to actually make sales. Sears, for example, was notorious for having staff that didn't care whether they sold product. Overall, the only people who benefit from chain stores tend to be the billionaires and hedge fund managers. If a business is good for the shareholding investors, it's generally because it's bad for the front-line workers, bad for the customers, and bad for pretty much everyone except the top echelon whose main purpose in life is to gut the company by selling off everything of value, create maximum inflation of the share price for at least a brief period of time, long enough for the insiders to benefit while staying at least nominally within the laws related to insider trading, and then dump the shell (and the employees and customers).

I had EXACTLY this experience in a retail job and despite high performance was barely scraping my theoretical wage (it was an assistant manager, however, and not the manager, who would salesjack me. Everyone, including the manager, had to clock a bunch of unpaid OT to accomplish assigned tasks.) The amount of time it took to even get that gig during the great recession meant I was not eager to try my luck elsewhere, and yes, true to form that company ended up a casualty of the stock market not long after.

A huge swath of publicly-traded companies don't start this way, but become only nominally involved in their purported actual business and function primarily as a wealth transfer system to the c-suite. I see this accelerating as businesses take on business-people as leadership rather than promoting from within, from people involved with the actual industry, creating an ugly race to the bottom in terms of quality. It's phenomenally wasteful, as it vaporizes 'soft' wealth at a spectacularly inefficient rate to get those results; in the short run we get a bunch of crappy business experiences, and in the long run the financial bill is going to come due. They can't repeat this process forever and I often wonder what effect that's going to have on our index funds long-term.

To tie back to the original theme, the assistant manager commissions-thief above had a habit of chummily establishing relationship status and then telling women that even if they were already in a relationship, it would be unwise to let their appearance slip (thus they should be buying ___). Ugh.

One other thing - inability to see a stranger's pocket-depth at a glance is true on both sides of the counter. The person getting "social" attention might not look like anyone special, but you have no way of knowing that they aren't the shop's most reliable and profitable customer; management may have made it clear how that person is to be treated. It's not exactly fair, and discrimination is also certainly real and possible, but assuming malice when there's so much you can't know is rarely fruitful.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: projekt on May 31, 2020, 06:00:20 PM
I had a top notch experience at Nordstrom when I went in wearing slightly sweaty summer clothes and said I needed a suit in 3 hours. I had a great suit in less than 3 hours and there was a happy salesperson. Definitely not the most mustachian suit purchase, but I continued to wear it for 10 years.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dicey on May 31, 2020, 11:31:34 PM
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I’m curious, if you worked that long at Nordstrom’s then presumably you had some combo of enjoying it and being good at it. What did you like about it? I always think of customer-facing jobs as being difficult, or at least having the potential to be so.
I'm going to cogitate on this and I'll post it in my journal. Part of the reason was their excellent profit sharing and 401k programs. I'm pretty sure when I left, I'd managed to amass about two year's salary. That was the nut that grew into my FIRE fund. I'll ping you when I've written it up. Definitely will be a couple of days.
Ah.. that journal that I started, lost my place, and am still something like two years behind? :)

That will give me the nudge I need to catch up finally
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Don't rush. It's still full of half-told stories, same as it ever was.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: LibrarianFuzz on June 01, 2020, 02:21:25 PM
Hyundai dealership, on me turning down the extended/extra/expensive warranty program on the new car (which I had just purchased with cash): "Awwww, honey, I thought you were smarter than that."
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on June 01, 2020, 02:56:34 PM
Hyundai dealership, on me turning down the extended/extra/expensive warranty program on the new car (which I had just purchased with cash): "Awwww, honey, I thought you were smarter than that."

It's unfortunate that they didn't start with the derogatory name-calling before the sale when you still had an opportunity to cancel it.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Smokystache on June 01, 2020, 06:13:25 PM
I had two very unprofessional conversations when declining the insurance on a rental car. I was early 20's and I had a woman yelling at me (not screaming, but yelling) because I wouldn't buy the insurance. About 2 years ago I declined the gas tank option on the rental car. The counter guy started making fun of me because I declined everything and said, "I guess you don't like saving money." I replied, "I guess not."

I had a bank teller offer me a credit card when I was in my mid to late 20's. I declined. He replied with something like, "I guess you aren't very good at managing money."

I had someone at the bank throw the same line at me in a very similar situation.  I replied, "I guess you aren't very good at cross-selling."  The look on the guy's face was priceless!

I can't wait to pull this one out when someone is being a jerk. What a perfect comeback.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: clarkfan1979 on June 02, 2020, 03:47:44 PM
I think I also had around $20,000 in my checking account at the time. I was getting ready to spend it on grad school. I think I was around 24-25 and the bank teller was 22-23. I gave no response, which I think was the best response.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: By the River on June 10, 2020, 08:33:09 AM
Maybe not the worst ever, but this week's worst.  I'm refinancing so have been shopping around.  One lender had a great rate but high fees ($10K).  Tried to justify the fees by saying "you'll skip a payment or two during the refinancing so that means the fees will only be like 6 or 8K."   No, I'm not skipping any payments but moving it from now to later which has nothing to do with reducing your fees.   I'm financially literate enough to compare total cost of the loan not just the stated rate.   
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Just Joe on June 10, 2020, 01:31:46 PM
Today no one was trying to sell me anything, but I was trying to buy something. The guy behind the counter and a woman in front of it were having a lengthy social conversation. I waited five minutes and then decided to butt in, which I did politely by saying excuse me a couple of times. After the third time, the guy snapped at me to just wait patiently! Pretty pleased with my response here, because I'm not usually so quick off the mark. I said very loudly so the other staff at the back of the store could hear 'You know what? How about YOU wait patiently for me to bother trying to spend money here again??" and put my would -be purchase on the counter in front of him.... and left. I won't be going back there :)
These stories rarely happen "just because" in the US, probably because of the inane customer service focus. But if it *does* happen, it's probably because the people behind the counter actually don't like you. They're racist, or they don't think you're cool enough to shop there, or whatever.

Well, I'm not in the US. I've been in the US, and I wasn't that impressed with the general customer service...

Anyway, in this case, the counter guy was just more interested in chatting than serving customers. I didn't know them, I'm not from any ethnicity, and it was a hardware store that presumably has few limits on the coolness or otherwise of it's customers.

Isn't this one of the ways online shopping got a foothold?

I'm not an eager shopper anyhow but American retail is no fun most of the time. Given the chance I'd buy my car and take deliver of it from the factory door. Retail stores can be overpriced, have odd hours, have odd sales staff I'd rather not deal with, small selection, etc. Online shopping has corrected a little of that. I'd rather shop locally and help my town prosper. 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Neuroman on June 11, 2020, 03:00:16 PM
I unfortunately got into a car accident (my fault, to spare you my pain, if you are in the intersection trying to make a left hand turn and the signal turns red, just wait if someone is trying to beat the light or make a right hand turn into the lane you are turning to...if you collide it is your fault).

Anyways, when I went to the car dealership, the salesperson asked innocuously "So why are you are you looking for a new car?" Naively I let him know about my accident.

The salesperson then ended up using that fact to put pressure on me, "Oh, you got in an ACCIDENT so you NEED to buy a car right away."

I was so angry having that used as leverage against me, I just left after that. I ended up calling around some more and just asking if other dealerships could beat the other's rate, confirmed no extras and then went to the further dealership and bought my car.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Indexer on June 16, 2020, 04:18:40 PM
I got a call from a telemarketer trying to sell me an extended warranty on my, at that time, 8 year old Hyundia. I should have hung up immediately, but sometimes I answer calls like this to have fun with them.

He explains my old warranty had run out and this warranty would cover everything.

Me: Hyundias have a 10 year 100,000 mile warranty on the powertrain.
Him: This covers bumper to bumper.
Me: Cost?
Him: $3,000.
Me: What could break that would cost $3,000 to repair?!?!?
Him: The engine or transmission...
Me: [I cut him off] which are still covered by the manufacturer warranty. Besides the powertrain, what could cost $3,000 to fix on a Hyundai?
Him: If it's a money issue you can make monthly payments.
Me: No, I have more than $3,000 in the bank... specifically because I don't waste it on crap like this. [disconnect]
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Mike in NH on June 16, 2020, 07:22:50 PM
So this wasn't "said" to me, but there was an annuity/life insurance guy from my hometown who was trying to sell me some of his junk a while back via email. I'm laughing my way through the pitch, which was bad but not very memorable, then I get to the end and almost snort water out my nose. The signoff on his email is "See you at the top"

I wouldn't buy a cheeseburger from someone who talks like that, let alone trust him with my retirement. Also wondering if he might actually be thorstach haha.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Villanelle on June 17, 2020, 11:26:15 AM
Friend just bought a car and relayed her story.  She sat in a car and, being very short, found the seat uncomfortable.  She couldn't safely reach the pedals and said that no, the car wouldn't work.  Salesguy then said basically, "Shouldn't you check with your husband and let him decide?  He's the one paying for the car."  She was actually the one paying, and knew she didn't need her husband's approval, regardless of finances, to not buy a car that was uncomfortable and probably unsafe.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on June 17, 2020, 01:30:59 PM
Friend just bought a car and relayed her story.  She sat in a car and, being very short, found the seat uncomfortable.  She couldn't safely reach the pedals and said that no, the car wouldn't work.  Salesguy then said basically, "Shouldn't you check with your husband and let him decide?  He's the one paying for the car."  She was actually the one paying, and knew she didn't need her husband's approval, regardless of finances, to not buy a car that was uncomfortable and probably unsafe.
I am (naively?) shocked that such misogyny still can be found out in the wild.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: StachingforLife on June 18, 2020, 02:18:31 PM
Last year, a salesman from ADT came to our door trying to sell us a home security system- multiple times actually- but the last time he came, he had a conversation with my husband who politely refused to buy anything and the guy ended the conversation with "Well it would be a shame if anything were to happen to your wife or your dogs without protection from us." I wish we could've recorded that. It disgusts me when scare tactics are used.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on June 18, 2020, 02:37:14 PM
Last year, a salesman from ADT came to our door trying to sell us a home security system- multiple times actually- but the last time he came, he had a conversation with my husband who politely refused to buy anything and the guy ended the conversation with "Well it would be a shame if anything were to happen to your wife or your dogs without protection from us." I wish we could've recorded that. It disgusts me when scare tactics are used.

Who does he think he is: the Mob?

An appropriate response might have been: "It would be a shame if anyone from your company tried to harm my wife or my dogs as retaliation for not paying you for protection, the way you're suggesting, because my wife and dogs would send them home in a box."
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: chouchouu on June 18, 2020, 03:45:00 PM
I was at a volkswagon dealership, checking out the polo. I'm a average size adult and was with my 3 year old daughters. I was sitting in the back seat to see the size. As a full grown adult there was plenty of room. The salesman keeps telling me I'd need a bigger car because my kids would grow, my 3 year old kids who would take at least 12 more years to grow to adult size and would probably be the same size as me, therefore with more than enough room...
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Travis on June 18, 2020, 05:09:57 PM
Last year, a salesman from ADT came to our door trying to sell us a home security system- multiple times actually- but the last time he came, he had a conversation with my husband who politely refused to buy anything and the guy ended the conversation with "Well it would be a shame if anything were to happen to your wife or your dogs without protection from us." I wish we could've recorded that. It disgusts me when scare tactics are used.

Who does he think he is: the Mob?

An appropriate response might have been: "It would be a shame if anyone from your company tried to harm my wife or my dogs as retaliation for not paying you for protection, the way you're suggesting, because my wife and dogs would send them home in a box."

Yeah, I think that's when you pick up the phone and report the company for making threats.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ixtap on June 18, 2020, 05:13:33 PM
There are a few ad campaigns that piss me off for many of the same reasons:

"You, only better." Well, fuck you, too.

Or those Christmas ads encouraging you to surprise your spouse with a car.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: nereo on June 18, 2020, 07:13:32 PM
I was at a volkswagon dealership, checking out the polo. I'm a average size adult and was with my 3 year old daughters. I was sitting in the back seat to see the size. As a full grown adult there was plenty of room. The salesman keeps telling me I'd need a bigger car because my kids would grow, my 3 year old kids who would take at least 12 more years to grow to adult size and would probably be the same size as me, therefore with more than enough room...

There was a thread on here a year or so ago where a poster wanted advice on what car to purchase for their family of 3, which might one day grow to 4 (no pregnancy yet).  The poster was really concerned about getting a car big enough for a teenager.  IIRC the kid was 2 years old.

ADvice boiled down to: get the car that works for you now, then sell it in 6 or 8 or 10 years and get one that will work for your lives then.  If it changes that much.  Which it might now.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: chouchouu on June 18, 2020, 09:56:06 PM
I was at a volkswagon dealership, checking out the polo. I'm a average size adult and was with my 3 year old daughters. I was sitting in the back seat to see the size. As a full grown adult there was plenty of room. The salesman keeps telling me I'd need a bigger car because my kids would grow, my 3 year old kids who would take at least 12 more years to grow to adult size and would probably be the same size as me, therefore with more than enough room...

There was a thread on here a year or so ago where a poster wanted advice on what car to purchase for their family of 3, which might one day grow to 4 (no pregnancy yet).  The poster was really concerned about getting a car big enough for a teenager.  IIRC the kid was 2 years old.

ADvice boiled down to: get the car that works for you now, then sell it in 6 or 8 or 10 years and get one that will work for your lives then.  If it changes that much.  Which it might now.

It's bizarre isn't it? People hold their cars here for about 7 years according to the data. 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on June 18, 2020, 10:58:42 PM
I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: nereo on June 19, 2020, 04:29:24 AM
I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.

Me either.  For some the idea that you need a big car for kids has been burned into their psyche. 
We have a compact and when my spouse was pregnant several people asked us if we were going to buy a bigger car.  After she was born my father even wanted to swtich cars with us "while we looked around for another vehicle" (he knows how deliberate and methodical I can be about purchases, though we weren't considering ditching our car).  He basically forced us to try his large SUV for a week.  We hated it!  It was way too big to comfortably get in and around tight parkinglots, and it was actually **harder** to put the kid in the carseat.  While driving I couldn't reach back to check on our kiddo or pick up a toy she had dropped because the vehicle was too damn big.  And of coruse the 18 gallon fuel tank rank out way too fast and cost way too much to fill.  It was a huge step down.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dicey on June 19, 2020, 09:10:36 AM
I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.
I suspect it's for kids plus their gear. Strollers, pack'n plays, diaper bags and all the other paraphernalia are pretty bulky. Especially if you buy one of those ginormous strollers for multiple kids.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: StachingforLife on June 19, 2020, 09:17:54 AM
Last year, a salesman from ADT came to our door trying to sell us a home security system- multiple times actually- but the last time he came, he had a conversation with my husband who politely refused to buy anything and the guy ended the conversation with "Well it would be a shame if anything were to happen to your wife or your dogs without protection from us." I wish we could've recorded that. It disgusts me when scare tactics are used.

Who does he think he is: the Mob?

An appropriate response might have been: "It would be a shame if anyone from your company tried to harm my wife or my dogs as retaliation for not paying you for protection, the way you're suggesting, because my wife and dogs would send them home in a box."

Lol I know! I couldn't believe he said that. Salespeople say the craziest things to get to your money.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: nereo on June 19, 2020, 09:20:13 AM
I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.
I suspect it's for kids plus their gear. Strollers, pack'n plays, diaper bags and all the other paraphernalia are pretty bulky. Especially if you buy one of those ginormous strollers for multiple kids.

As I said above, I've got a compact and we can take all that stuff with us, no problem.  We even have one of those ginormous jogging strollers, and it folds up and fits in the trunk (boot). Before Covid we'd even take it camping and on car trips to the in-laws.

I think what's at play here is that marketing has convinced people they need all this extra space, but in reality its not needed, not efficient, and winds up being less useful overall.  But every car ad shows how much easier parenting is with a full-sized SUV or Minivan, so it must be true! When my spouse was pregnant and we were at the dealership for an airbag recall servicing we even had a salesman tell us "no way you can get a modern carseat in the back - they're so big now with all the added safety the will never fit".  Wrong! I'm 6'5" and I can still sit in the passenger seat just fine with my daughter in her carseat behind me.  And FWIW we wound up with one of the larger, heavier car seats on the market (gift from the grandparents).
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: economista on June 19, 2020, 09:21:58 AM
I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.
I suspect it's for kids plus their gear. Strollers, pack'n plays, diaper bags and all the other paraphernalia are pretty bulky. Especially if you buy one of those ginormous strollers for multiple kids.

I think it depends on how big you are. My husband is a relatively tall man 6’1” but a very healthy athletic weight for that height (200lbs). We had a Prius and when our first daughter was born we realized we could not put her bucket seat behind his seat, because his knees would be smashed into the dash. He is blind and cannot drive so he is always on the passenger side and we put her seat behind mine. Now we are pregnant with #2 and we recently upgraded her to a convertible seat, but still rear facing. Our plan was to put her seat behind his, and leave the bucket behind mine. Unfortunately he still can’t sit in front of her seat. Even if he could stand being cramped with his knees on the dash, we were given a double stroller and figured out it will only fit in the car if the backseat is lying down, so we could take the babies somewhere, or the stroller, but not both.

We went looking for a reasonable used car last week and tried out many larger sedans and crossover SUVs and none of them had enough room front to back to fit her car seat behind his seat, without his knees touching the dash. We ended up getting a Mitsubishi Outlander, fully an SUV, because it was the only one we could fit in!

I really think all of you who say it’s easy to fit multiple car seats in a compact car must be no taller than 5’7”.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: economista on June 19, 2020, 09:25:04 AM
I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.
I suspect it's for kids plus their gear. Strollers, pack'n plays, diaper bags and all the other paraphernalia are pretty bulky. Especially if you buy one of those ginormous strollers for multiple kids.

As I said above, I've got a compact and we can take all that stuff with us, no problem.  We even have one of those ginormous jogging strollers, and it folds up and fits in the trunk (boot). Before Covid we'd even take it camping and on car trips to the in-laws.

I think what's at play here is that marketing has convinced people they need all this extra space, but in reality its not needed, not efficient, and winds up being less useful overall.  But every car ad shows how much easier parenting is with a full-sized SUV or Minivan, so it must be true! When my spouse was pregnant and we were at the dealership for an airbag recall servicing we even had a salesman tell us "no way you can get a modern carseat in the back - they're so big now with all the added safety the will never fit".  Wrong! I'm 6'5" and I can still sit in the passenger seat just fine with my daughter in her carseat behind me.  And FWIW we wound up with one of the larger, heavier car seats on the market (gift from the grandparents).

I’m honestly curious about this - you can see my response below that I typed while you were posting yours. Is your daughter’s car seat forward facing or rear? I think forward facing takes up a LOT less space than rear facing. In our case our daughter has almost 2 more years of rear facing and my 6’1” husband cannot fit in front of her.
Title: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on June 19, 2020, 10:42:48 AM
Granted, we are short, but I think the type of car seat you get matters a lot. I purposefully got the smallest convertible car seat on the market when my first was born. I now have three kids across in the backseat of my GTI (Golf). When we only had two kids and two car seats I fit myself back there with them more comfortably in my car than in my husband’s RAV4. The thing is the car seat he chose for his car is huge, leaving only enough room next to it for a small adult, and a bit squished at that.

I wouldn’t say that small cars will work for lost people, but it is worth looking into whether spending $150 on a new car seat can save you the hassle of looking for a new car.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: nereo on June 19, 2020, 10:49:44 AM
I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.
I suspect it's for kids plus their gear. Strollers, pack'n plays, diaper bags and all the other paraphernalia are pretty bulky. Especially if you buy one of those ginormous strollers for multiple kids.

As I said above, I've got a compact and we can take all that stuff with us, no problem.  We even have one of those ginormous jogging strollers, and it folds up and fits in the trunk (boot). Before Covid we'd even take it camping and on car trips to the in-laws.

I think what's at play here is that marketing has convinced people they need all this extra space, but in reality its not needed, not efficient, and winds up being less useful overall.  But every car ad shows how much easier parenting is with a full-sized SUV or Minivan, so it must be true! When my spouse was pregnant and we were at the dealership for an airbag recall servicing we even had a salesman tell us "no way you can get a modern carseat in the back - they're so big now with all the added safety the will never fit".  Wrong! I'm 6'5" and I can still sit in the passenger seat just fine with my daughter in her carseat behind me.  And FWIW we wound up with one of the larger, heavier car seats on the market (gift from the grandparents).

I’m honestly curious about this - you can see my response below that I typed while you were posting yours. Is your daughter’s car seat forward facing or rear? I think forward facing takes up a LOT less space than rear facing. In our case our daughter has almost 2 more years of rear facing and my 6’1” husband cannot fit in front of her.

Right now she’s still rear-facing (for another 2 months).  The seat goes back about halfway before it touches the back of the car-seat, which is plenty of room still for me a a passenger.  It will be nice when we flit the car seat around and she’s front-facing, both for myself (a bit more room) and for her (able to see).

That said, in my parent’s Pilot the rear-facing car seat *still* meant the front seat couldn’t be set back all the way.  I’m more comfortable in our car.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: DadJokes on June 19, 2020, 11:31:49 AM
I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.
I suspect it's for kids plus their gear. Strollers, pack'n plays, diaper bags and all the other paraphernalia are pretty bulky. Especially if you buy one of those ginormous strollers for multiple kids.

I think it depends on how big you are. My husband is a relatively tall man 6’1” but a very healthy athletic weight for that height (200lbs). We had a Prius and when our first daughter was born we realized we could not put her bucket seat behind his seat, because his knees would be smashed into the dash. He is blind and cannot drive so he is always on the passenger side and we put her seat behind mine. Now we are pregnant with #2 and we recently upgraded her to a convertible seat, but still rear facing. Our plan was to put her seat behind his, and leave the bucket behind mine. Unfortunately he still can’t sit in front of her seat. Even if he could stand being cramped with his knees on the dash, we were given a double stroller and figured out it will only fit in the car if the backseat is lying down, so we could take the babies somewhere, or the stroller, but not both.

We went looking for a reasonable used car last week and tried out many larger sedans and crossover SUVs and none of them had enough room front to back to fit her car seat behind his seat, without his knees touching the dash. We ended up getting a Mitsubishi Outlander, fully an SUV, because it was the only one we could fit in!

I really think all of you who say it’s easy to fit multiple car seats in a compact car must be no taller than 5’7”.

+1

I'm 6'0" with a mid-sized sedan, and it's pretty uncomfortable for me if the carseat is on the driver's side.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: TheFrenchCat on June 20, 2020, 08:16:56 AM
I think a small car is definitely doable-we've had our civic our daughter's whole life.  But it's a two door, and I kind of wish we'd upgraded sooner to something with four doors.  Climbing in and out of the back is not fun.  So we're working on buying a Subaru impreza, with four doors!  Also, the civic is just starting to get too old.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: ysette9 on June 20, 2020, 04:21:56 PM
I think a small car is definitely doable-we've had our civic our daughter's whole life.  But it's a two door, and I kind of wish we'd upgraded sooner to something with four doors.  Climbing in and out of the back is not fun.  So we're working on buying a Subaru impreza, with four doors!  Also, the civic is just starting to get too old.
Agreed. We went from a small 2-door to a small 4-door for this exact reason.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: mm1970 on June 21, 2020, 12:57:01 PM
I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.
I suspect it's for kids plus their gear. Strollers, pack'n plays, diaper bags and all the other paraphernalia are pretty bulky. Especially if you buy one of those ginormous strollers for multiple kids.

I think it depends on how big you are. My husband is a relatively tall man 6’1” but a very healthy athletic weight for that height (200lbs). We had a Prius and when our first daughter was born we realized we could not put her bucket seat behind his seat, because his knees would be smashed into the dash. He is blind and cannot drive so he is always on the passenger side and we put her seat behind mine. Now we are pregnant with #2 and we recently upgraded her to a convertible seat, but still rear facing. Our plan was to put her seat behind his, and leave the bucket behind mine. Unfortunately he still can’t sit in front of her seat. Even if he could stand being cramped with his knees on the dash, we were given a double stroller and figured out it will only fit in the car if the backseat is lying down, so we could take the babies somewhere, or the stroller, but not both.

We went looking for a reasonable used car last week and tried out many larger sedans and crossover SUVs and none of them had enough room front to back to fit her car seat behind his seat, without his knees touching the dash. We ended up getting a Mitsubishi Outlander, fully an SUV, because it was the only one we could fit in!

I really think all of you who say it’s easy to fit multiple car seats in a compact car must be no taller than 5’7”.
My husband is 6' tall.  Our cars are a Civic and a matrix.  We were able to have rear facing carseats behind his seat in both cars.  It depends on a couple of things:
1. The type of carseat.
2.  Legs. My husband is not "all leg".  Average legs, longer torso.  But he's still 6' tall. 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Just Joe on June 22, 2020, 11:18:58 AM
We have the same CRV since before we started having kids 21 years ago. Its the 1st gen and thus little compared to the modern versions.

No, not as thrifty on gas as a 2020 something but whatever. Its very, very paid for.

Its always been big enough for our family aside from a couple of years where we were all traveling to grandma's house for Christmas.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: EricEng on June 22, 2020, 04:48:07 PM
In both my old 2door Civic and 4 door impreza we had to slide seat almost all the way forward to fit a Britex rear facing seat behind them.  This resulted in me (6'3) not being able to drive safely if it was behind me (couldn't position leg for brake) and had difficulty handling a steering wheel that's 3-5 inches from my chest.  On passenger side I was more cramped than airlines with my knees almost touching my chest.  Should airbags activate I would have been a lot of trouble.

Now that said there are some surprising cars that give lots of space for rear facing seats.  Honda Accord actually has lots of room for this.  Newer Honda Civics also had reasonable space (some sacrifice, but not much).  Also Subaru Crosstrek had loads of space for the car seat, way more than mid sized suvs we compared to.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Freedomin5 on June 24, 2020, 03:32:12 AM
Several years ago, DH and I were shopping for a diamond engagement ring. We went into one jewelry store, and I asked to try on a particular $10,000 ring. After I slipped it on, the salesperson said, “Wow...I didn’t think that would fit you. Your finger looked way too fat to fit the ring.”

The more senior salesperson beside him gave him a look that could kill.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Sugaree on June 24, 2020, 06:20:20 AM
I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.

If you have multiple kids who require car seats, you do have to make sure that all of the carseats can be properly attached in the backseat.  In reality, this only becomes an issue once you hit three kids.  Baby gear is another issue.  Some of those "travel system" strollers are ginormous.

I had a two door Jeep when my kid was born, and we kept it until he was about 9 months old and I slipped and fell getting him out one day.  Luckily, I landed on my back with him on top of me rather than the other way around.  We went with the bigger version, but I'll probably go back to the two-door version next time.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dicey on June 24, 2020, 06:43:15 AM
I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.

If you have multiple kids who require car seats, you do have to make sure that all of the carseats can be properly attached in the backseat.  In reality, this only becomes an issue once you hit three kids.  Baby gear is another issue.  Some of those "travel system" strollers are ginormous.

I had a two door Jeep when my kid was born, and we kept it until he was about 9 months old and I slipped and fell getting him out one day.  Luckily, I landed on my back with him on top of me rather than the other way around.  We went with the bigger version, but I'll probably go back to the two-door version next time.
Wow! That sounds scary. Glad no one was seriously hurt.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: jps on June 24, 2020, 09:39:37 AM
Several years ago, DH and I were shopping for a diamond engagement ring. We went into one jewelry store, and I asked to try on a particular $10,000 ring. After I slipped it on, the salesperson said, “Wow...I didn’t think that would fit you. Your finger looked way too fat to fit the ring.”

The more senior salesperson beside him gave him a look that could kill.

This nearly made me spit my coffee out! Talk about sales 101, right there.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: solon on June 24, 2020, 10:01:30 AM
Several years ago, DH and I were shopping for a diamond engagement ring. We went into one jewelry store, and I asked to try on a particular $10,000 ring. After I slipped it on, the salesperson said, “Wow...I didn’t think that would fit you. Your finger looked way too fat to fit the ring.”

The more senior salesperson beside him gave him a look that could kill.

And then you bought the $800 ring?
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Dicey on June 24, 2020, 10:17:35 AM
Several years ago, DH and I were shopping for a diamond engagement ring. We went into one jewelry store, and I asked to try on a particular $10,000 ring. After I slipped it on, the salesperson said, “Wow...I didn’t think that would fit you. Your finger looked way too fat to fit the ring.”

The more senior salesperson beside him gave him a look that could kill.

And then you bought the $800 ring? Somewhere else, right?
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Freedomin5 on June 24, 2020, 04:28:32 PM
Several years ago, DH and I were shopping for a diamond engagement ring. We went into one jewelry store, and I asked to try on a particular $10,000 ring. After I slipped it on, the salesperson said, “Wow...I didn’t think that would fit you. Your finger looked way too fat to fit the ring.”

The more senior salesperson beside him gave him a look that could kill.

And then you bought the $800 ring? Somewhere else, right?

The one we bought was $150, and we bought it at a jewelry wholesale market that sold individual gemstones and settings to jewelry makers.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: solon on June 24, 2020, 05:28:35 PM
Several years ago, DH and I were shopping for a diamond engagement ring. We went into one jewelry store, and I asked to try on a particular $10,000 ring. After I slipped it on, the salesperson said, “Wow...I didn’t think that would fit you. Your finger looked way too fat to fit the ring.”

The more senior salesperson beside him gave him a look that could kill.

And then you bought the $800 ring? Somewhere else, right?

The one we bought was $150, and we bought it at a jewelry wholesale market that sold individual gemstones and settings to jewelry makers.

I love happy endings!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Jezibelle on June 29, 2020, 05:44:22 PM
I sit down in his chair, he starts fooling with my hair as we discuss what I want.... and he flat out REFUSES to give me a haircut.  "Because your hair is in such poor condition, even if I give you a great cut it still won't look good. And that will reflect badly on me and my reputation when people ask you who does your hair."
You just reminded me of a tattoo artist I saw once who refused to do the small, inconspicuous thing I wanted in white ink. Because the two things I wanted (I tend to just save up a couple/few tattoos and get them all done at once because it's such a chore, and I hate doing things). He said white ink looks like shit. I told him it's my tattoo, and the location was chosen because it wouldn't be that seen or noticeable. He said he didnt want to put his name on a white tattoo, and that i should just do it in black. I told him with all due respect, nobody would ask who did a tiny, nothing tattoo, and, honestly, I wouldn't remember his name (I don't go to random artists for larger or more visible pieces).  He still refused, and because i'm an idiot, I asked what the lightest color was that he felt comfortable doing it in, and he said a light gray wash, but I should do it in black.  I said fine, do the gray wash.   During the first tattoo he kept asking if he could just do the second one in black. I kept saying no.  He spent the entire appointment criticizing other tattoo artists in general, hyping up how great he was, did my 2nd tattoo in black anyway(!), and I'm really unimpressed with the wonky first one. But whatever, because I literally don't remember the kid's name.

2.  I work in a office building with a no soliciting sign on the front door and on the door to our suite.  Years ago, this guy came in and wanted to talk to me about how he could save our company money.  I said, "You don't have an appointment and we have two no soliciting signs that you ignored."  He replied with, "I'm not soliciting, I'm trying to help you save money!"  I told him we weren't interested and that he needed to leave the premises.  He condescendingly said, "You don't want to save your company money?!"  I said, "Nope, I don't.  Please leave."  LOL!
I LOATHE solicitors. I don't care what they're selling. I do not want to be disturbed when i'm at home, period.  I have a sign on my door that says all deliveries are to be left at the door, and not to knock or ring the bell, as my dog will bark.  People ignore the sign, and it freaks both me and my dog out, she goes nuts, i'm angry..it's a mess every single time. I now have THREE freaking signs at my front door. One you can see as you walk up the walkway, the polite one on my door, and a blatant DO NOT KNOCK next to the polite one, since I've caught on camera multiple people who think my covering my doorbell means they should knock instead, despite all the signs. <_<   My neighbor thinks i'm insane, but it's like what else can I do???  Especially now that i'm working at home it is imperative that I am not disturbed and that my dog does not bark.  Adam Carolla once said "I didn't start out being an asshole, you made me an asshole." and I think about that a lot.

The crown was, drum roll, yellow. What the heck, was this woman blind? This was going in my mouth and didn't match my teeth! Her answer was that my teeth would eventually match that color since I was refusing to whiten them
    I just laughed SO loudly. WOW.

You cut your own hair to spite your boyfriend? 
I don’t get it.
   I was wondering this with every post where someone did something spiteful towards a partner, and remained in the relationship. I don't get it.  I mean, i don't get how it's offensive for someone to have a thing they like and mention it or compliment it, but I really don't get that someone would remain in the relationship with the person they find chronically maliciously offensive. It seems the last thing my partner should be is malicious to me, and the least healthy response is for me to do something to spite them because something they did bothered me...? 

To actually neg someone effectively requires a lot of skill at reading people. I actually tried it on some super-hot guys that I thought were out of my league, and it did actually work. They were usually a little vain about something, so it was all about finding something to say that wasn't mean, that was true, and saying it the right way.
   Negging is not remotely close to needing to be true or not mean. What you did sounds more like just being complimentary, which is a far cry from the garbage that is negging.
Although I also acknowledge that things often work differently when directed toward a man vs toward a woman (pls see the Jersey Shore reference: Grenades. Or don't. Probably don't.)

These stories rarely happen "just because" in the US, probably because of the inane customer service focus. But if it *does* happen, it's probably because the people behind the counter actually don't like you. They're racist, or they don't think you're cool enough to shop there, or whatever.
  Nah. Most front line retail people just don't give a shit about their jobs or the companies for which they work. And a lot of minimum wage workers feel they deserve better, and it comes out in the service.

To be clear, my response was mostly triggered by projekt's off the wall (IMO) assumptions. I can fully appreciate the thrill of coming up with a solid comeback on the spot. Believe me, i grok how hard it is to do, especially when someone has royally pissed you off!
Are you an MDA fan? X-D

Most times when someone complained about poor treatment, they tended blame it on how they were dressed. News Flash: We don't GAF what you're wearing. If you fought traffic, got a parking space and found your way here, you must need something. More likely, the complainer was the person who felt less confident about their appearance or was somehow personally intimidated by the general environment. @project, your assumptions in the quote below were really triggering for me, hence my response. Why the fuck would you think a salesperson/clerk etc. wouldn't like you? They don't even know you!
  I really appreciate this.   I hear a lot of people (in general, not in this thread) complain about an interaction they had with someone, and include a whole lot of assumptions that one would not come to if they weren't feeling some kind of way about those projected things. Being an outsider hearing the description of events it's a lot easier to be less biased, and judge based on what actually happened and not how it FELT when it happened, and I wish it were easier to get people to be more truthful/honest about these encounters.  I get that the person absolutely might've been a jerk, but it's really unfair to accuse the person of racism (or sexism or whatever else), when their actions and words didn't support that in any way.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: nereo on June 30, 2020, 01:08:08 PM

I sit down in his chair, he starts fooling with my hair as we discuss what I want.... and he flat out REFUSES to give me a haircut.  "Because your hair is in such poor condition, even if I give you a great cut it still won't look good. And that will reflect badly on me and my reputation when people ask you who does your hair."

Something about this refusal to perform requested work reminded me of an experience my wife had with a plumber.
We are renovating a turn-of-the-19th-century home that has a lot of deferred maintenance and questionable previous renovations.  When a plumber  (in his late 60s I imagine) came over to replace a manifold, my wife tried to talk to him about doing some extensive work on an upstairs bathroom for which we were prepared to pay lots of money to get done.  We had agreed on what we wanted done and were asking for a quote.

While explaining to the plumber what we wanted done (basically a tear-out and moving a drain line) he looked at her and just shook his head and said "oh honey that's going to be expensive, and it's going to get your home all dusty and then you'll spend hours vacuuming.  Maybe you should talk to your husband." She told him we had talked and agreed on what we wanted done, but he persisted.  "oh honey, I'm so sorry to tell you that this would be a big job, and it would be messy."  Ultiamtely he never even suggested what it might cost or how long it would take.

The kicker is ...
Spoiler: show
that we got two other quotes, and they were both less than what we thought we might have to pay.  One guy told us "well yeah, I got to cut a hole in the floor, but you already knew that, and I can get all the roughed in stuff in 3-4 days".  We were expecting 2-3 weeks.
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: solon on June 30, 2020, 01:24:03 PM
I sit down in his chair, he starts fooling with my hair as we discuss what I want.... and he flat out REFUSES to give me a haircut.  "Because your hair is in such poor condition, even if I give you a great cut it still won't look good. And that will reflect badly on me and my reputation when people ask you who does your hair."

Something about this refusal to perform requested work reminded me of an experience my wife had with a plumber.
We are renovating a turn-of-the-19th-century home that has a lot of deferred maintenance and questionable previous renovations.  When a plumber  (in his late 60s I imagine) came over to replace a manifold, my wife tried to talk to him about doing some extensive work on an upstairs bathroom for which we were prepared to pay lots of money to get done.  We had agreed on what we wanted done and were asking for a quote.

While explaining to the plumber what we wanted done (basically a tear-out and moving a drain line) he looked at her and just shook his head and said "oh honey that's going to be expensive, and it's going to get your home all dusty and then you'll spend hours vacuuming.  Maybe you should talk to your husband." She told him we had talked and agreed on what we wanted done, but he persisted.  "oh honey, I'm so sorry to tell you that this would be a big job, and it would be messy."  Ultiamtely he never even suggested what it might cost or how long it would take.

The kicker is that we got two other quotes, and they were both less than what we thought we might have to pay.  One guy told us "well yeah, I got to cut a hole in the floor, but you already knew that, and I can get all the roughed in stuff in 3-4 days".  We were expecting 2-3 weeks.

The kicker i

What's the kicker?... You're killing us!
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: nereo on June 30, 2020, 01:41:25 PM
Sorry.  Sometimes I screw up the formatting with embedded quotes.  Fixed it (and added a 'Spoiler', just because!)
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Villanelle on June 30, 2020, 04:54:03 PM
Several years ago, DH and I were shopping for a diamond engagement ring. We went into one jewelry store, and I asked to try on a particular $10,000 ring. After I slipped it on, the salesperson said, “Wow...I didn’t think that would fit you. Your finger looked way too fat to fit the ring.”

The more senior salesperson beside him gave him a look that could kill.

This seems so blatant that I have to suspect it was an attempt at negging. 
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: jeninco on July 01, 2020, 05:23:40 PM
It was a guy who wanted to sell me magic face cream. He started pointing out the condition of the skin (and wrinkles) on my face and hands, and I just gave him my best, harshest "are you seriously saying that to me" expression. 

He kind of just petered out all on his own...
Title: Re: What's the worst thing anyone has said to you when trying to sell you something?
Post by: Missy B on July 09, 2020, 11:29:42 PM
"Wow... you have a lot of hair."

Said to me at a laser hair consult. Quite unnecessarily, since I had already decided to do it and didn't need to be shamed and manipulated into spending the money.
Also, I had been waxing for over a decade at that point so that was only 50-60% of the hair I originally had.
I do wish now that I had told her she was a little bitch and gone elsewhere. It was just another version of the whole "Oh my, your pores are... quite large. But we do have something that will help..."