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I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.
I suspect it's for kids plus their gear. Strollers, pack'n plays, diaper bags and all the other paraphernalia are pretty bulky. Especially if you buy one of those ginormous strollers for multiple kids.

As I said above, I've got a compact and we can take all that stuff with us, no problem.  We even have one of those ginormous jogging strollers, and it folds up and fits in the trunk (boot). Before Covid we'd even take it camping and on car trips to the in-laws.

I think what's at play here is that marketing has convinced people they need all this extra space, but in reality its not needed, not efficient, and winds up being less useful overall.  But every car ad shows how much easier parenting is with a full-sized SUV or Minivan, so it must be true! When my spouse was pregnant and we were at the dealership for an airbag recall servicing we even had a salesman tell us "no way you can get a modern carseat in the back - they're so big now with all the added safety the will never fit".  Wrong! I'm 6'5" and I can still sit in the passenger seat just fine with my daughter in her carseat behind me.  And FWIW we wound up with one of the larger, heavier car seats on the market (gift from the grandparents).

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I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.
I suspect it's for kids plus their gear. Strollers, pack'n plays, diaper bags and all the other paraphernalia are pretty bulky. Especially if you buy one of those ginormous strollers for multiple kids.

I think it depends on how big you are. My husband is a relatively tall man 6’1” but a very healthy athletic weight for that height (200lbs). We had a Prius and when our first daughter was born we realized we could not put her bucket seat behind his seat, because his knees would be smashed into the dash. He is blind and cannot drive so he is always on the passenger side and we put her seat behind mine. Now we are pregnant with #2 and we recently upgraded her to a convertible seat, but still rear facing. Our plan was to put her seat behind his, and leave the bucket behind mine. Unfortunately he still can’t sit in front of her seat. Even if he could stand being cramped with his knees on the dash, we were given a double stroller and figured out it will only fit in the car if the backseat is lying down, so we could take the babies somewhere, or the stroller, but not both.

We went looking for a reasonable used car last week and tried out many larger sedans and crossover SUVs and none of them had enough room front to back to fit her car seat behind his seat, without his knees touching the dash. We ended up getting a Mitsubishi Outlander, fully an SUV, because it was the only one we could fit in!

I really think all of you who say it’s easy to fit multiple car seats in a compact car must be no taller than 5’7”.

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I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.
I suspect it's for kids plus their gear. Strollers, pack'n plays, diaper bags and all the other paraphernalia are pretty bulky. Especially if you buy one of those ginormous strollers for multiple kids.

As I said above, I've got a compact and we can take all that stuff with us, no problem.  We even have one of those ginormous jogging strollers, and it folds up and fits in the trunk (boot). Before Covid we'd even take it camping and on car trips to the in-laws.

I think what's at play here is that marketing has convinced people they need all this extra space, but in reality its not needed, not efficient, and winds up being less useful overall.  But every car ad shows how much easier parenting is with a full-sized SUV or Minivan, so it must be true! When my spouse was pregnant and we were at the dealership for an airbag recall servicing we even had a salesman tell us "no way you can get a modern carseat in the back - they're so big now with all the added safety the will never fit".  Wrong! I'm 6'5" and I can still sit in the passenger seat just fine with my daughter in her carseat behind me.  And FWIW we wound up with one of the larger, heavier car seats on the market (gift from the grandparents).

I’m honestly curious about this - you can see my response below that I typed while you were posting yours. Is your daughter’s car seat forward facing or rear? I think forward facing takes up a LOT less space than rear facing. In our case our daughter has almost 2 more years of rear facing and my 6’1” husband cannot fit in front of her.

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Granted, we are short, but I think the type of car seat you get matters a lot. I purposefully got the smallest convertible car seat on the market when my first was born. I now have three kids across in the backseat of my GTI (Golf). When we only had two kids and two car seats I fit myself back there with them more comfortably in my car than in my husband’s RAV4. The thing is the car seat he chose for his car is huge, leaving only enough room next to it for a small adult, and a bit squished at that.

I wouldn’t say that small cars will work for lost people, but it is worth looking into whether spending $150 on a new car seat can save you the hassle of looking for a new car.
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I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.
I suspect it's for kids plus their gear. Strollers, pack'n plays, diaper bags and all the other paraphernalia are pretty bulky. Especially if you buy one of those ginormous strollers for multiple kids.

As I said above, I've got a compact and we can take all that stuff with us, no problem.  We even have one of those ginormous jogging strollers, and it folds up and fits in the trunk (boot). Before Covid we'd even take it camping and on car trips to the in-laws.

I think what's at play here is that marketing has convinced people they need all this extra space, but in reality its not needed, not efficient, and winds up being less useful overall.  But every car ad shows how much easier parenting is with a full-sized SUV or Minivan, so it must be true! When my spouse was pregnant and we were at the dealership for an airbag recall servicing we even had a salesman tell us "no way you can get a modern carseat in the back - they're so big now with all the added safety the will never fit".  Wrong! I'm 6'5" and I can still sit in the passenger seat just fine with my daughter in her carseat behind me.  And FWIW we wound up with one of the larger, heavier car seats on the market (gift from the grandparents).

I’m honestly curious about this - you can see my response below that I typed while you were posting yours. Is your daughter’s car seat forward facing or rear? I think forward facing takes up a LOT less space than rear facing. In our case our daughter has almost 2 more years of rear facing and my 6’1” husband cannot fit in front of her.

Right now she’s still rear-facing (for another 2 months).  The seat goes back about halfway before it touches the back of the car-seat, which is plenty of room still for me a a passenger.  It will be nice when we flit the car seat around and she’s front-facing, both for myself (a bit more room) and for her (able to see).

That said, in my parent’s Pilot the rear-facing car seat *still* meant the front seat couldn’t be set back all the way.  I’m more comfortable in our car.

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I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.
I suspect it's for kids plus their gear. Strollers, pack'n plays, diaper bags and all the other paraphernalia are pretty bulky. Especially if you buy one of those ginormous strollers for multiple kids.

I think it depends on how big you are. My husband is a relatively tall man 6’1” but a very healthy athletic weight for that height (200lbs). We had a Prius and when our first daughter was born we realized we could not put her bucket seat behind his seat, because his knees would be smashed into the dash. He is blind and cannot drive so he is always on the passenger side and we put her seat behind mine. Now we are pregnant with #2 and we recently upgraded her to a convertible seat, but still rear facing. Our plan was to put her seat behind his, and leave the bucket behind mine. Unfortunately he still can’t sit in front of her seat. Even if he could stand being cramped with his knees on the dash, we were given a double stroller and figured out it will only fit in the car if the backseat is lying down, so we could take the babies somewhere, or the stroller, but not both.

We went looking for a reasonable used car last week and tried out many larger sedans and crossover SUVs and none of them had enough room front to back to fit her car seat behind his seat, without his knees touching the dash. We ended up getting a Mitsubishi Outlander, fully an SUV, because it was the only one we could fit in!

I really think all of you who say it’s easy to fit multiple car seats in a compact car must be no taller than 5’7”.

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I'm 6'0" with a mid-sized sedan, and it's pretty uncomfortable for me if the carseat is on the driver's side.

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I think a small car is definitely doable-we've had our civic our daughter's whole life.  But it's a two door, and I kind of wish we'd upgraded sooner to something with four doors.  Climbing in and out of the back is not fun.  So we're working on buying a Subaru impreza, with four doors!  Also, the civic is just starting to get too old.

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I think a small car is definitely doable-we've had our civic our daughter's whole life.  But it's a two door, and I kind of wish we'd upgraded sooner to something with four doors.  Climbing in and out of the back is not fun.  So we're working on buying a Subaru impreza, with four doors!  Also, the civic is just starting to get too old.
Agreed. We went from a small 2-door to a small 4-door for this exact reason.

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I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.
I suspect it's for kids plus their gear. Strollers, pack'n plays, diaper bags and all the other paraphernalia are pretty bulky. Especially if you buy one of those ginormous strollers for multiple kids.

I think it depends on how big you are. My husband is a relatively tall man 6’1” but a very healthy athletic weight for that height (200lbs). We had a Prius and when our first daughter was born we realized we could not put her bucket seat behind his seat, because his knees would be smashed into the dash. He is blind and cannot drive so he is always on the passenger side and we put her seat behind mine. Now we are pregnant with #2 and we recently upgraded her to a convertible seat, but still rear facing. Our plan was to put her seat behind his, and leave the bucket behind mine. Unfortunately he still can’t sit in front of her seat. Even if he could stand being cramped with his knees on the dash, we were given a double stroller and figured out it will only fit in the car if the backseat is lying down, so we could take the babies somewhere, or the stroller, but not both.

We went looking for a reasonable used car last week and tried out many larger sedans and crossover SUVs and none of them had enough room front to back to fit her car seat behind his seat, without his knees touching the dash. We ended up getting a Mitsubishi Outlander, fully an SUV, because it was the only one we could fit in!

I really think all of you who say it’s easy to fit multiple car seats in a compact car must be no taller than 5’7”.
My husband is 6' tall.  Our cars are a Civic and a matrix.  We were able to have rear facing carseats behind his seat in both cars.  It depends on a couple of things:
1. The type of carseat.
2.  Legs. My husband is not "all leg".  Average legs, longer torso.  But he's still 6' tall. 

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We have the same CRV since before we started having kids 21 years ago. Its the 1st gen and thus little compared to the modern versions.

No, not as thrifty on gas as a 2020 something but whatever. Its very, very paid for.

Its always been big enough for our family aside from a couple of years where we were all traveling to grandma's house for Christmas.

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In both my old 2door Civic and 4 door impreza we had to slide seat almost all the way forward to fit a Britex rear facing seat behind them.  This resulted in me (6'3) not being able to drive safely if it was behind me (couldn't position leg for brake) and had difficulty handling a steering wheel that's 3-5 inches from my chest.  On passenger side I was more cramped than airlines with my knees almost touching my chest.  Should airbags activate I would have been a lot of trouble.

Now that said there are some surprising cars that give lots of space for rear facing seats.  Honda Accord actually has lots of room for this.  Newer Honda Civics also had reasonable space (some sacrifice, but not much).  Also Subaru Crosstrek had loads of space for the car seat, way more than mid sized suvs we compared to.

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Several years ago, DH and I were shopping for a diamond engagement ring. We went into one jewelry store, and I asked to try on a particular $10,000 ring. After I slipped it on, the salesperson said, “Wow...I didn’t think that would fit you. Your finger looked way too fat to fit the ring.”

The more senior salesperson beside him gave him a look that could kill.

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I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.

If you have multiple kids who require car seats, you do have to make sure that all of the carseats can be properly attached in the backseat.  In reality, this only becomes an issue once you hit three kids.  Baby gear is another issue.  Some of those "travel system" strollers are ginormous.

I had a two door Jeep when my kid was born, and we kept it until he was about 9 months old and I slipped and fell getting him out one day.  Luckily, I landed on my back with him on top of me rather than the other way around.  We went with the bigger version, but I'll probably go back to the two-door version next time.
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I never understood the big car for kids thing. Even with car seats they are still smaller than adults.

If you have multiple kids who require car seats, you do have to make sure that all of the carseats can be properly attached in the backseat.  In reality, this only becomes an issue once you hit three kids.  Baby gear is another issue.  Some of those "travel system" strollers are ginormous.

I had a two door Jeep when my kid was born, and we kept it until he was about 9 months old and I slipped and fell getting him out one day.  Luckily, I landed on my back with him on top of me rather than the other way around.  We went with the bigger version, but I'll probably go back to the two-door version next time.
Wow! That sounds scary. Glad no one was seriously hurt.

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Several years ago, DH and I were shopping for a diamond engagement ring. We went into one jewelry store, and I asked to try on a particular $10,000 ring. After I slipped it on, the salesperson said, “Wow...I didn’t think that would fit you. Your finger looked way too fat to fit the ring.”

The more senior salesperson beside him gave him a look that could kill.

This nearly made me spit my coffee out! Talk about sales 101, right there.

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Several years ago, DH and I were shopping for a diamond engagement ring. We went into one jewelry store, and I asked to try on a particular $10,000 ring. After I slipped it on, the salesperson said, “Wow...I didn’t think that would fit you. Your finger looked way too fat to fit the ring.”

The more senior salesperson beside him gave him a look that could kill.

And then you bought the $800 ring?

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Several years ago, DH and I were shopping for a diamond engagement ring. We went into one jewelry store, and I asked to try on a particular $10,000 ring. After I slipped it on, the salesperson said, “Wow...I didn’t think that would fit you. Your finger looked way too fat to fit the ring.”

The more senior salesperson beside him gave him a look that could kill.

And then you bought the $800 ring? Somewhere else, right?

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Several years ago, DH and I were shopping for a diamond engagement ring. We went into one jewelry store, and I asked to try on a particular $10,000 ring. After I slipped it on, the salesperson said, “Wow...I didn’t think that would fit you. Your finger looked way too fat to fit the ring.”

The more senior salesperson beside him gave him a look that could kill.

And then you bought the $800 ring? Somewhere else, right?

The one we bought was $150, and we bought it at a jewelry wholesale market that sold individual gemstones and settings to jewelry makers.

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Several years ago, DH and I were shopping for a diamond engagement ring. We went into one jewelry store, and I asked to try on a particular $10,000 ring. After I slipped it on, the salesperson said, “Wow...I didn’t think that would fit you. Your finger looked way too fat to fit the ring.”

The more senior salesperson beside him gave him a look that could kill.

And then you bought the $800 ring? Somewhere else, right?

The one we bought was $150, and we bought it at a jewelry wholesale market that sold individual gemstones and settings to jewelry makers.

I love happy endings!

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I sit down in his chair, he starts fooling with my hair as we discuss what I want.... and he flat out REFUSES to give me a haircut.  "Because your hair is in such poor condition, even if I give you a great cut it still won't look good. And that will reflect badly on me and my reputation when people ask you who does your hair."
You just reminded me of a tattoo artist I saw once who refused to do the small, inconspicuous thing I wanted in white ink. Because the two things I wanted (I tend to just save up a couple/few tattoos and get them all done at once because it's such a chore, and I hate doing things). He said white ink looks like shit. I told him it's my tattoo, and the location was chosen because it wouldn't be that seen or noticeable. He said he didnt want to put his name on a white tattoo, and that i should just do it in black. I told him with all due respect, nobody would ask who did a tiny, nothing tattoo, and, honestly, I wouldn't remember his name (I don't go to random artists for larger or more visible pieces).  He still refused, and because i'm an idiot, I asked what the lightest color was that he felt comfortable doing it in, and he said a light gray wash, but I should do it in black.  I said fine, do the gray wash.   During the first tattoo he kept asking if he could just do the second one in black. I kept saying no.  He spent the entire appointment criticizing other tattoo artists in general, hyping up how great he was, did my 2nd tattoo in black anyway(!), and I'm really unimpressed with the wonky first one. But whatever, because I literally don't remember the kid's name.

2.  I work in a office building with a no soliciting sign on the front door and on the door to our suite.  Years ago, this guy came in and wanted to talk to me about how he could save our company money.  I said, "You don't have an appointment and we have two no soliciting signs that you ignored."  He replied with, "I'm not soliciting, I'm trying to help you save money!"  I told him we weren't interested and that he needed to leave the premises.  He condescendingly said, "You don't want to save your company money?!"  I said, "Nope, I don't.  Please leave."  LOL!
I LOATHE solicitors. I don't care what they're selling. I do not want to be disturbed when i'm at home, period.  I have a sign on my door that says all deliveries are to be left at the door, and not to knock or ring the bell, as my dog will bark.  People ignore the sign, and it freaks both me and my dog out, she goes nuts, i'm angry..it's a mess every single time. I now have THREE freaking signs at my front door. One you can see as you walk up the walkway, the polite one on my door, and a blatant DO NOT KNOCK next to the polite one, since I've caught on camera multiple people who think my covering my doorbell means they should knock instead, despite all the signs. <_<   My neighbor thinks i'm insane, but it's like what else can I do???  Especially now that i'm working at home it is imperative that I am not disturbed and that my dog does not bark.  Adam Carolla once said "I didn't start out being an asshole, you made me an asshole." and I think about that a lot.

The crown was, drum roll, yellow. What the heck, was this woman blind? This was going in my mouth and didn't match my teeth! Her answer was that my teeth would eventually match that color since I was refusing to whiten them
    I just laughed SO loudly. WOW.

You cut your own hair to spite your boyfriend? 
I don’t get it.
   I was wondering this with every post where someone did something spiteful towards a partner, and remained in the relationship. I don't get it.  I mean, i don't get how it's offensive for someone to have a thing they like and mention it or compliment it, but I really don't get that someone would remain in the relationship with the person they find chronically maliciously offensive. It seems the last thing my partner should be is malicious to me, and the least healthy response is for me to do something to spite them because something they did bothered me...? 

To actually neg someone effectively requires a lot of skill at reading people. I actually tried it on some super-hot guys that I thought were out of my league, and it did actually work. They were usually a little vain about something, so it was all about finding something to say that wasn't mean, that was true, and saying it the right way.
   Negging is not remotely close to needing to be true or not mean. What you did sounds more like just being complimentary, which is a far cry from the garbage that is negging.
Although I also acknowledge that things often work differently when directed toward a man vs toward a woman (pls see the Jersey Shore reference: Grenades. Or don't. Probably don't.)

These stories rarely happen "just because" in the US, probably because of the inane customer service focus. But if it *does* happen, it's probably because the people behind the counter actually don't like you. They're racist, or they don't think you're cool enough to shop there, or whatever.
  Nah. Most front line retail people just don't give a shit about their jobs or the companies for which they work. And a lot of minimum wage workers feel they deserve better, and it comes out in the service.

To be clear, my response was mostly triggered by projekt's off the wall (IMO) assumptions. I can fully appreciate the thrill of coming up with a solid comeback on the spot. Believe me, i grok how hard it is to do, especially when someone has royally pissed you off!
Are you an MDA fan? X-D

Most times when someone complained about poor treatment, they tended blame it on how they were dressed. News Flash: We don't GAF what you're wearing. If you fought traffic, got a parking space and found your way here, you must need something. More likely, the complainer was the person who felt less confident about their appearance or was somehow personally intimidated by the general environment. @project, your assumptions in the quote below were really triggering for me, hence my response. Why the fuck would you think a salesperson/clerk etc. wouldn't like you? They don't even know you!
  I really appreciate this.   I hear a lot of people (in general, not in this thread) complain about an interaction they had with someone, and include a whole lot of assumptions that one would not come to if they weren't feeling some kind of way about those projected things. Being an outsider hearing the description of events it's a lot easier to be less biased, and judge based on what actually happened and not how it FELT when it happened, and I wish it were easier to get people to be more truthful/honest about these encounters.  I get that the person absolutely might've been a jerk, but it's really unfair to accuse the person of racism (or sexism or whatever else), when their actions and words didn't support that in any way.

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I sit down in his chair, he starts fooling with my hair as we discuss what I want.... and he flat out REFUSES to give me a haircut.  "Because your hair is in such poor condition, even if I give you a great cut it still won't look good. And that will reflect badly on me and my reputation when people ask you who does your hair."

Something about this refusal to perform requested work reminded me of an experience my wife had with a plumber.
We are renovating a turn-of-the-19th-century home that has a lot of deferred maintenance and questionable previous renovations.  When a plumber  (in his late 60s I imagine) came over to replace a manifold, my wife tried to talk to him about doing some extensive work on an upstairs bathroom for which we were prepared to pay lots of money to get done.  We had agreed on what we wanted done and were asking for a quote.

While explaining to the plumber what we wanted done (basically a tear-out and moving a drain line) he looked at her and just shook his head and said "oh honey that's going to be expensive, and it's going to get your home all dusty and then you'll spend hours vacuuming.  Maybe you should talk to your husband." She told him we had talked and agreed on what we wanted done, but he persisted.  "oh honey, I'm so sorry to tell you that this would be a big job, and it would be messy."  Ultiamtely he never even suggested what it might cost or how long it would take.

The kicker is ...
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that we got two other quotes, and they were both less than what we thought we might have to pay.  One guy told us "well yeah, I got to cut a hole in the floor, but you already knew that, and I can get all the roughed in stuff in 3-4 days".  We were expecting 2-3 weeks.
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I sit down in his chair, he starts fooling with my hair as we discuss what I want.... and he flat out REFUSES to give me a haircut.  "Because your hair is in such poor condition, even if I give you a great cut it still won't look good. And that will reflect badly on me and my reputation when people ask you who does your hair."

Something about this refusal to perform requested work reminded me of an experience my wife had with a plumber.
We are renovating a turn-of-the-19th-century home that has a lot of deferred maintenance and questionable previous renovations.  When a plumber  (in his late 60s I imagine) came over to replace a manifold, my wife tried to talk to him about doing some extensive work on an upstairs bathroom for which we were prepared to pay lots of money to get done.  We had agreed on what we wanted done and were asking for a quote.

While explaining to the plumber what we wanted done (basically a tear-out and moving a drain line) he looked at her and just shook his head and said "oh honey that's going to be expensive, and it's going to get your home all dusty and then you'll spend hours vacuuming.  Maybe you should talk to your husband." She told him we had talked and agreed on what we wanted done, but he persisted.  "oh honey, I'm so sorry to tell you that this would be a big job, and it would be messy."  Ultiamtely he never even suggested what it might cost or how long it would take.

The kicker is that we got two other quotes, and they were both less than what we thought we might have to pay.  One guy told us "well yeah, I got to cut a hole in the floor, but you already knew that, and I can get all the roughed in stuff in 3-4 days".  We were expecting 2-3 weeks.

The kicker i

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Several years ago, DH and I were shopping for a diamond engagement ring. We went into one jewelry store, and I asked to try on a particular $10,000 ring. After I slipped it on, the salesperson said, “Wow...I didn’t think that would fit you. Your finger looked way too fat to fit the ring.”

The more senior salesperson beside him gave him a look that could kill.

This seems so blatant that I have to suspect it was an attempt at negging. 

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It was a guy who wanted to sell me magic face cream. He started pointing out the condition of the skin (and wrinkles) on my face and hands, and I just gave him my best, harshest "are you seriously saying that to me" expression. 

He kind of just petered out all on his own...

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"Wow... you have a lot of hair."

Said to me at a laser hair consult. Quite unnecessarily, since I had already decided to do it and didn't need to be shamed and manipulated into spending the money.
Also, I had been waxing for over a decade at that point so that was only 50-60% of the hair I originally had.
I do wish now that I had told her she was a little bitch and gone elsewhere. It was just another version of the whole "Oh my, your pores are... quite large. But we do have something that will help..."