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US presidential candidate has major CC debt
« on: August 30, 2015, 08:45:17 PM »
Scott Walker, governor of wisconsin has major credit card debt, some of which he is paying over 20% interest on. I'm curious how his state budget is going...


http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/scott-walker-credit-card-debt-20150803

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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2015, 09:17:15 PM »
Interesting you mentionned him, on meet the press, he proposed to build a huge wall on the Canada-US border http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/30/politics/scott-walker-northern-border-immigration-2016/ I guess broke people always find ways to waste money.
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2015, 09:26:01 PM »
Interesting you mentionned him, on meet the press, he proposed to build a huge wall on the Canada-US border http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/30/politics/scott-walker-northern-border-immigration-2016/ I guess broke people always find ways to waste money.

I guess he'll have to put that on his Sears Mastercard, lol.  I'm all for America building a giant wall along the border, good for keeping those violent radical extremists and desperate impoverished refugees fleeing an oppressive regime out of Canada and in their home country of America where they belong.  J/K guys :)
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2015, 09:31:14 PM »
Interesting you mentionned him, on meet the press, he proposed to build a huge wall on the Canada-US border http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/30/politics/scott-walker-northern-border-immigration-2016/ I guess broke people always find ways to waste money.

I guess he'll have to put that on his Sears Mastercard, lol.  I'm all for America building a giant wall along the border, good for keeping out those violent radical extremists and desperate impoverished refugees fleeing an oppressive regime out of Canada and in their home country of America where they belong.  J/K guys :)
You guys don't want our socialism to spread in your country, therefore the border will stop all that nonsense *sarcasm of course"

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Re: US presidential candidate has major CC debt
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2015, 09:33:11 PM »
Scott Walker, governor of wisconsin has major credit card debt, some of which he is paying over 20% interest on. I'm curious how his state budget is going...


http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/scott-walker-credit-card-debt-20150803

So, is he still allowed to be a fiscal Conservative?  Seems as though that would disqualify him outright.
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2015, 09:47:23 PM »
I love how he brushes it off:
""As a public servant, the governor gave back hundreds of thousands of his salary to the taxpayers, and he is a regular American with two kids in college and a small amount of credit card debt,""

So I suppose the moral of the story, it's ok to be in debt, afterall everyone else have debts. He makes a pretty good salary too (approx. 140 000$).
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2015, 10:23:35 PM »
I wonder who, among the 2016 candidates, are the most and least mustachian. They're probably both republicans (hey, it's a big tent).

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Re: US presidential candidate has major CC debt
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2015, 10:26:08 PM »
20k a small amount of cc debt! He sure is good at spin though...

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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2015, 11:02:17 PM »
he can't manage his own money

he screwed his state's schools

and he says so many stupid things that you look at the person next to you and go, "did he really just say that?"

how does he manage to dress himself everyday? because his skill set seems pretty limited

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Re: US presidential candidate has major CC debt
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2015, 08:02:09 AM »
I love how he brushes it off:
""As a public servant, the governor gave back hundreds of thousands of his salary to the taxpayers
WTF does that even mean? You're not supposed to do that. You're supposed to be fucking solvent so you can't be bought off by special interests. Period.

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...and he is a regular American with two kids in college and a small amount of credit card debt,""

So I suppose the moral of the story, it's ok to be in debt, afterall everyone else have debts. He makes a pretty good salary too (approx. 140 000$).

Plus a $45K book advance.
His NW is estimated at -72.5k in one place, but that appears to be just a total of his debts. Not sure about assets.
The truly insane part of this is, as a governor, you get almost everything provided for you - housing, much of your transportation, various business meals, etc. Out of that $140K/yr he only really needs 10 or 20 for what the rest of us think of as "incidentals". The rest should just be piling up in a "don't get pounded in the butt by superPAC donors daily" fund.
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Re: US presidential candidate has major CC debt
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2015, 08:07:12 AM »
20k a small amount of cc debt! He sure is good at spin though...
DW and I together have similar wages and similar CC debt, but only because we got a sweetheart deal ($0 fee, 0%APR for a year) and bought solar panels with it. I'd never call it small, and I'd never let it hang around past the 0% expiration.

$20K is huge if you're blowing your entire salary and have no practical means of paying it off....
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Re: US presidential candidate has major CC debt
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2015, 08:23:33 AM »
I wonder who, among the 2016 candidates, are the most and least mustachian. They're probably both republicans (hey, it's a big tent).

I think that's gonna boil down to how you weight various things in terms of "mustachian." I think at least half of the slate is/could be FI? It's a really interesting question though.

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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2015, 08:25:40 AM »
20k a small amount of cc debt! He sure is good at spin though...
DW and I together have similar wages and similar CC debt, but only because we got a sweetheart deal ($0 fee, 0%APR for a year) and bought solar panels with it. I'd never call it small, and I'd never let it hang around past the 0% expiration.

$20K is huge if you're blowing your entire salary and have no practical means of paying it off....

Well either he will be president (highly unlikely) or after his term if over, he'll go full lobbyist and have the means to pay it off. I suspect that Koch-funded sinecure in his near future.

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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2015, 08:37:43 AM »
Scott Walker, governor of wisconsin has major credit card debt, some of which he is paying over 20% interest on. I'm curious how his state budget is going...


http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/scott-walker-credit-card-debt-20150803

So, is he still allowed to be a fiscal Conservative?  Seems as though that would disqualify him outright.

Among other things he recently signed the bill essentially giving $250 million ($400 million including interest) in taxpayer money to the billionaire owners of the Milwaukee Bucks (now there's an ironic name). Study after study shows that public funding for these sporting venue projects are big money losers for the sponsoring governments. It's just a way for megarich people to get even richer at the expense of the public. Actually, that's how George W. Bush made his money. He had failed at a ton of businesses, and then he borrowed money to buy a portion of the Rangers. The Rangers got taxpayer funding for a new stadium (increasing the value of the club by the amount of the gift from the taxpayers) and then he sold his stake.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13423356/wisconsin-governor-scott-walker-signs-bill-fund-new-milwaukee-bucks-arena

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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2015, 08:38:35 AM »
I wonder who, among the 2016 candidates, are the most and least mustachian. They're probably both republicans (hey, it's a big tent).

I think that's gonna boil down to how you weight various things in terms of "mustachian." I think at least half of the slate is/could be FI? It's a really interesting question though.
Not at their spending levels, especially with Paul and Bush whose father's actually have the money.  And even with Trump, if he was not hustling I don't think he could afford his spending. 

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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2015, 09:02:24 AM »
Well either he will be president (highly unlikely) or after his term if over, he'll go full lobbyist and have the means to pay it off. I suspect that Koch-funded sinecure in his near future.
You never pay it off if your approach is to grow spending to match income. But that was kinda my point above: his odds of being beholden to someone other than the taxpayers at large mean I can't trust him in office.
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« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2015, 09:09:05 AM »
Well either he will be president (highly unlikely) or after his term if over, he'll go full lobbyist and have the means to pay it off. I suspect that Koch-funded sinecure in his near future.
You never pay it off if your approach is to grow spending to match income. But that was kinda my point above: his odds of being beholden to someone other than the taxpayers at large mean I can't trust him in office.

Entirely possible, but I hope that he will be able to save more money and live within his means when he goes from being a governor making something like $144k, towards making making way more than that by being a lobbyist and possible serving on various boards.

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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2015, 09:24:19 AM »
If this isn't enough, how much is enough? He comes off as the kind of guy who will finance a mansion inside the Beltway when that happens, and spend his later years chasing even greater wealth but spending it as fast as he gets it.
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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2015, 09:55:37 AM »
The other question concerning candidates who achieved FI is how they achieved it. 

Marco Rubio has had numerous debts covered through the patronage of by Norman Braman http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/10/us/billionaire-lifts-marco-rubio-politically-and-personally.html?_r=0

Several candidates came from wealthy and powerful families (Bush and Trump come to mind)

But a few actually worked hard to build careers before becoming professional politicians (Sanders and Carson for example)

That they have money isn't new or exciting, its how they got it and who they may be beholden to now that they have it.

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« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2015, 11:34:34 AM »
Can't say whether I agree or disagree with his politics. But I know one thing, any man who would delay tearing in to a delicious burger for a stump speech or photo op will never get my vote (first pic - http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/scott-walker-credit-card-debt-20150803)
Note, these opinions are from someone who is half-mustachian at best. Please consider my comments in that light.

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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2015, 06:14:49 PM »
Well either he will be president (highly unlikely) or after his term if over, he'll go full lobbyist and have the means to pay it off. I suspect that Koch-funded sinecure in his near future.

Funny...if you only listened to those on the left, you would be under the impression that those evil Koch brothers singlehandedly control the entire right half of America, have stopped major green initiative projects, and have been successful in spreading misinformation for decades.

It would be funny, except for the fact that millions of people are gullible enough to believe it.
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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2015, 07:53:30 PM »
Funny...if you only listened to those on the left, you would be under the impression that those evil Koch brothers singlehandedly control the entire right half of America, have stopped major green initiative projects, and have been successful in spreading misinformation for decades.

It would be funny, except for the fact that millions of people are gullible enough to believe it.

Are you here just to poke fun, or do you intend to inform as well? If the former... meh. If the latter... links?

Also... do the Koch brothers really only have one hand between the two of them??
Also also, I thought controlling the right half of America was Roger Ailes' job.

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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2015, 07:46:25 AM »

Funny...if you only listened to those on the left who are smart enough to think for themselves, you would be under the impression that those evil Koch brothers singlehandedly control the entire right half of America  have become a major force in controlling the right wing propaganda machine, have stopped major green initiative projects, and have been successful in spreading misinformation for decades.

Somehow, you missed a few? How about.............

Have murdered two teens, who were burned alive while their parents watched. This horror was a result of the brothers absolute refusal to maintain a pipeline they were pumping extremely flammable gases through. They have a well documented history of extreme behavior, including extensive environmental destruction caused by their profit at any cost mentality, abusing their workforce,  constant behind the scenes interference in political matters at all levels of government, a long history of battling any reasonable environmental regulation, and owning a major source of educational materials supplied to our public education system, where they work diligently at providing propaganda and misinformation in such material to suit their twisted goals.
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It would be funny, except for the fact that millions of people are gullible enough to believe it.
if you we also filthy rich, and bent on destroying this country for your personal gain.

Fixed to reflect the truth.  As for Mr. Walker and his relationship with the Kochs, it is best understood by listening to the recording where he mistakenly believed that he was speaking to one of the bros. and devoted much effort to tonguing David Koch's asshole, while debating the merits of engaging in illegal activities, like inserting thugs into the protests.

Your right, the Koch brothers are just all around wonderful guys. I guess the fact that their third brother devotes a lot of energy to waking the world up to the fact that these guys are soulless devil's spawn, is just another silly coincidence, right?

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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2015, 08:54:59 AM »
Your right, the Koch brothers are just all around wonderful guys. I guess the fact that their third brother devotes a lot of energy to waking the world up to the fact that these guys are soulless devil's spawn, is just another silly coincidence, right?
What's brother #3's name? Haven't heard about this. Curious.
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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2015, 09:26:32 AM »
Well either he will be president (highly unlikely) or after his term if over, he'll go full lobbyist and have the means to pay it off. I suspect that Koch-funded sinecure in his near future.

Funny...if you only listened to those on the left, you would be under the impression that those evil Koch brothers singlehandedly control the entire right half of America, have stopped major green initiative projects, and have been successful in spreading misinformation for decades.

It would be funny, except for the fact that millions of people are gullible enough to believe it.

They don't control the entire right half. But when they spend nearly $1 billion dollars in politics, it's kinda hard not to get that impression of them.

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« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2015, 09:35:46 AM »
Well either he will be president (highly unlikely) or after his term if over, he'll go full lobbyist and have the means to pay it off. I suspect that Koch-funded sinecure in his near future.

Funny...if you only listened to those on the left, you would be under the impression that those evil Koch brothers singlehandedly control the entire right half of America, have stopped major green initiative projects, and have been successful in spreading misinformation for decades.

It would be funny, except for the fact that millions of people are gullible enough to believe it.

They don't control the entire right half. But when they spend nearly $1 billion dollars in politics, it's kinda hard not to get that impression of them.

Not to mention that all the major republican candidates (with the exception of Trump) pander to them.

Or in Walker's case, their influence is so much that a prank caller was able to get Walker on the phone immediately by saying that he was David Koch. The staff had some token questions, but he was able to talk to the governor.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/11/i-punkd-scott-walker-100033

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« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2015, 09:42:02 AM »
I make no secret of my political bias, but it does crack me up when people who criticize "billionaires buying elections" invariably mean the Koch brothers and completely forget about/ignore George Soros.
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« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2015, 09:52:32 AM »
Don't forget that the Clintons left office with something like 10 million in personal debt.   As Dave Ramsey always says "the debtor is the slave to the lender."

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« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2015, 10:00:07 AM »
I make no secret of my political bias, but it does crack me up when people who criticize "billionaires buying elections" invariably mean the Koch brothers and completely forget about/ignore George Soros.
In which regard, the money to Clinton or the rumor that he gave money to Black Lives Matter?

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« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2015, 10:40:57 AM »
I make no secret of my political bias, but it does crack me up when people who criticize "billionaires buying elections" invariably mean the Koch brothers and completely forget about/ignore George Soros.
In which regard, the money to Clinton or the rumor that he gave money to Black Lives Matter?

That he is heavily involved in politics.  "People" like to claim billionaires are in politics to buy elections for the right, but Soros tried his damndest to buy one for the left (against Bush).
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« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2015, 11:13:23 AM »
I make no secret of my political bias, but it does crack me up when people who criticize "billionaires buying elections" invariably mean the Koch brothers and completely forget about/ignore George Soros.

Scale, perhaps? Some of it's hard to peg exactly (as the Koch brothers give a lot through intermediary groups/orgs) but overall they're projected/expected/planning (depending on who you read) to spend in the vicinity of $900 million this election cycle. A quick search reveals that Soros has contributed a couple million to Clinton, and is maybe planning on $5 million or so to other liberal causes. That could be off by a factor of 10 and still not match the Kochs. There are a couple other big-money guys on the left who are talking of up to $100 million this election cycle - but that's again only a bit more than 10%.

Another part of it is that the Kochs are pretty well known for funding "local grassroots" movements that turn out to be not-so-grassroots and not-so-local. If Soros has done similar, I have not heard of it (so seems he's either way better at it or hasn't done it).

There is definitely big money on both sides. But I have yet to see anything indicating that anyone on either side is spending even half as much in as many places as the Kochs are. That's why they get name-dropped all the time.

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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2015, 05:50:53 PM »
I wonder who, among the 2016 candidates, are the most and least mustachian. They're probably both republicans (hey, it's a big tent).
Haha, just saw a post about Bernie Sanders walking to work, I'd vote him as most mustachian: https://i.imgur.com/HM6r3aW.jpg

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« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2015, 06:00:34 PM »
I wonder who, among the 2016 candidates, are the most and least mustachian. They're probably both republicans (hey, it's a big tent).
Haha, just saw a post about Bernie Sanders walking to work, I'd vote him as most mustachian: https://i.imgur.com/HM6r3aW.jpg
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« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2015, 07:29:52 AM »
I wonder who, among the 2016 candidates, are the most and least mustachian. They're probably both republicans (hey, it's a big tent).
Haha, just saw a post about Bernie Sanders walking to work, I'd vote him as most mustachian: https://i.imgur.com/HM6r3aW.jpg
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Nice! That's pretty awesome.
If he's running (which I think we still don't know?), Joe Biden took public transit (Amtrak I think) for MANY years when travelling between his home/home district and DC, and got stuff done on the way. No idea how he is with finances otherwise, but that seems like a very Mustachian attitude!

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« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2015, 09:13:13 AM »
I wonder who, among the 2016 candidates, are the most and least mustachian. They're probably both republicans (hey, it's a big tent).
Haha, just saw a post about Bernie Sanders walking to work, I'd vote him as most mustachian: https://i.imgur.com/HM6r3aW.jpg
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Nice! That's pretty awesome.
If he's running (which I think we still don't know?), Joe Biden took public transit (Amtrak I think) for MANY years when travelling between his home/home district and DC, and got stuff done on the way. No idea how he is with finances otherwise, but that seems like a very Mustachian attitude!

I've always loved his use of Amtrak, especially since he did it so he could stay home with his kids as much as possible.  Major commitment to public service AND his family on that one.

There was a funny SNL skit about him stripping down to his bare chest and pulling the Amtrak back to Delaware when it broke down once.  Always cracks me up to think about it!

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« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2015, 08:46:52 PM »
There is no excuse for him to have credit card debt when he's been pulling in a six figure salary the last 10 years.

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« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2015, 04:46:17 PM »
^Yup.

Plus like someone mentioned earlier, as governor he has most of his daily living expenses paid for (housing, transportation).  Absolutely no excuse for this.

Sadly, to some people (who view cc debt as normal and even inevitable) this would "humanize" him and they would be able to relate to him better :(

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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2015, 06:16:29 AM »
I make no secret of my political bias, but it does crack me up when people who criticize "billionaires buying elections" invariably mean the Koch brothers and completely forget about/ignore George Soros.

This, every time.

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« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2015, 08:40:06 AM »
I make no secret of my political bias, but it does crack me up when people who criticize "billionaires buying elections" invariably mean the Koch brothers and completely forget about/ignore George Soros.

This, every time.

See my reply above. Welcome any return stats/thoughts you might have... Chris22 didn't have any, apparently.

You can certainly be supportive of the same candidate(s)/party as the Kochs, but I personally would still be concerned about anyone having that level of influence.

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« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2015, 08:56:31 AM »
At this point Walker is no longer considered a contender.   Thank the Baptist Lord Jesus. 

It appears all the big contenders are financially well off --  Trump,  Carson, Hillary, Fiorina, Sanders,  Biden,  Bush.  They all seem to have some change in their pockets. 

Only one of them would not consider taking money from special interests. 
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« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2015, 09:14:19 AM »

I don't think unreasonable personal financial dealings are uncommon among politicians.   I remember a couple of election cycles ago reading very similar things on Biden.  And if you look at how most of government finances work (or don't, depending on your opinion) ... is it any wonder politicians treat their own finances no differently?

And a pretty large majority of winners and losers expect their campaign debt to be forgiven when they're done.  This alone is a bit nauseating.   
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Re: US presidential candidate has major CC debt
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2015, 08:28:58 AM »
Now that he's officially dropped out of the race, what's next for Walker? Fix his personal finances and do a good job in office, or go on collecting megabucks from corporations to stash for the next race?
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Re: US presidential candidate has major CC debt
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2015, 09:49:03 AM »
Now that he's officially dropped out of the race, what's next for Walker? Fix his personal finances and do a good job in office, or go on collecting megabucks from corporations to stash for the next race?

I'll go out on a limb and say the latter :(

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Re: US presidential candidate has major CC debt
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2015, 10:01:59 AM »
And a pretty large majority of winners and losers expect their campaign debt to be forgiven when they're done.  This alone is a bit nauseating.

Yup, Carly Fiorina took 4 years to pay off her campaign workers from her failed 2010 senate campaign. This is a women that was given a massive golden parachute when she was fired from HP. But of course, she waited until she raised money to run for president and now has paid off her previous campaign workers. Anyone want to bet that if she fails to win the nomination, that she will similarly neglect her duty to pay her debts?

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Re: US presidential candidate has major CC debt
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2015, 10:30:33 AM »
I make no secret of my political bias, but it does crack me up when people who criticize "billionaires buying elections" invariably mean the Koch brothers and completely forget about/ignore George Soros.
There is a superficial resemblance, but every policy supported by the Kochs demonstrably goes to their bottom line, often at the expense of their own workers or the greater good.

Rarely have I seen Soros support any policies that are likely to pad his already-ridiculous Stash; often it is the exact opposite.
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Re: US presidential candidate has major CC debt
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2015, 10:31:44 AM »
And a pretty large majority of winners and losers expect their campaign debt to be forgiven when they're done.  This alone is a bit nauseating.

Yup, Carly Fiorina took 4 years to pay off her campaign workers from her failed 2010 senate campaign. This is a women that was given a massive golden parachute when she was fired from HP. But of course, she waited until she raised money to run for president and now has paid off her previous campaign workers. Anyone want to bet that if she fails to win the nomination, that she will similarly neglect her duty to pay her debts?

I still don't understand how/why people think she's qualified for office - she's good in a debate, but her record at HP wasn't great and she lost her one previous bid at public office. Failing up??
Scott Walker wasn't a fantastic candidate either, but at least he ran some successful campaigns.

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Re: US presidential candidate has major CC debt
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2015, 10:39:41 AM »
Scott's out of the race now anyways...

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I still don't understand how/why people think she's qualified for office - she's good in a debate, but her record at HP wasn't great and she lost her one previous bid at public office. Failing up??
so who do you think is qualified then? To me, they are all on the same boat, IE motor stalled, taking on water and they are fighting over the table seats instead of bailing or jumping ship

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Re: US presidential candidate has major CC debt
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2015, 10:55:34 AM »
Scott's out of the race now anyways...

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I still don't understand how/why people think she's qualified for office - she's good in a debate, but her record at HP wasn't great and she lost her one previous bid at public office. Failing up??
so who do you think is qualified then? To me, they are all on the same boat, IE motor stalled, taking on water and they are fighting over the table seats instead of bailing or jumping ship

I would say that out of the current GOP crop, there are a few who would be capable (do not confuse this with "have a shot at winning" or "people I endorse"): John Kasich, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, possibly Jeb Bush (though honestly I thought he was more capable prior to the start of his campaign than I think he is now...). All of them have issues and baggage (some more than others!), but they seem to understand what the presidency is and are potentially capable of holding the office without embarrassing the country too much (low bar, but gotta be realistic here).

The Dems have fewer (ridiculous) candidates, so (with similar caveats about endorsements and actual shots at winning), their "capable" slate in my mind includes: Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden (if he runs...), Martin O'Malley, Bernie Sanders, Jim Webb. Again, there is baggage and some of them have no shot at the nomination - but I think they're all technically able.



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Re: US presidential candidate has major CC debt
« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2015, 11:17:02 AM »
I guess, I just dont think being a governor "qualifies" someone to be a president exactly... I mean, to me, a governor is like a company manager, they know their part but can't be the CEO off the bat just because they can manage a store or two. The skills needed isn't just a matter of scaling up from state to country :S

I mean, it wasn't until fairly recent, Carter, that governors have  been the predominate profession before office. I mean yes there were some but not as many https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

if anything being the VP would qualify them more, which means Biden would get my support if he ran (maybe a biden/obama ticket? to mess with the GOP?)... next to that, I'll take a former first lady, Go Michelle? :D
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Re: US presidential candidate has major CC debt
« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2015, 11:19:44 AM »
Now that he's officially dropped out of the race, what's next for Walker? Fix his personal finances and do a good job in office, or go on collecting megabucks from corporations to stash for the next race?

I'll go out on a limb and say the latter :(

Yeah.  As someone employed by the UW system, my sense is that he will come back to WI, try to figure out another way to screw people that conservatives like to bash (other than the unions, which, he has seen, had only so much appeal this time around), and try to position himself for 2020. 
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