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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3500 on: August 28, 2017, 08:53:49 AM »
Hitched a ride from Chicago to home (~100 miles) with a friend who happened to be there and headed back. I noticed she had her husband's truck (Brand new F150 loaded). I asked where her Lincoln SUV is and she said she's over the mileage on the lease. Her logic may be right that it was cheaper to drive a truck, but if your better option is to drive an expensive, 15 mpg truck 200 miles RT, you are doing it wrong.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3501 on: August 28, 2017, 09:42:25 AM »
Hitched a ride from Chicago to home (~100 miles) with a friend who happened to be there and headed back. I noticed she had her husband's truck (Brand new F150 loaded). I asked where her Lincoln SUV is and she said she's over the mileage on the lease. Her logic may be right that it was cheaper to drive a truck, but if your better option is to drive an expensive, 15 mpg truck 200 miles RT, you are doing it wrong.

To be fair she was already doing it wrong by:
1. leasing
2. having an SUV
3. having a brand new F150


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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3502 on: August 28, 2017, 10:30:51 AM »
Hitched a ride from Chicago to home (~100 miles) with a friend who happened to be there and headed back. I noticed she had her husband's truck (Brand new F150 loaded). I asked where her Lincoln SUV is and she said she's over the mileage on the lease. Her logic may be right that it was cheaper to drive a truck, but if your better option is to drive an expensive, 15 mpg truck 200 miles RT, you are doing it wrong.

To be fair she was already doing it wrong by:
1. leasing
2. having an SUV
3. having a brand new F150

And there's probably not even a second thought given to any of these choices.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3503 on: August 29, 2017, 12:30:26 PM »
While I'm not condoning her actions (leasing!?) that F150 should be getting ~25mpg on the highway, roughly the same as the Lincoln, so not as bad as it first appears. 

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3504 on: August 29, 2017, 01:04:03 PM »
While I'm not condoning her actions (leasing!?) that F150 should be getting ~25mpg on the highway, roughly the same as the Lincoln, so not as bad as it first appears.

Depends on which F150. The base 2WD 2.7L V6 model is rated for 26 mpg on the highway, but the 4WD 5.0L V8 model only gets 19 mpg (or 16 mpg on E85).

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3505 on: August 30, 2017, 04:44:41 PM »
While I'm not condoning her actions (leasing!?) that F150 should be getting ~25mpg on the highway, roughly the same as the Lincoln, so not as bad as it first appears.

Depends on which F150. The base 2WD 2.7L V6 model is rated for 26 mpg on the highway, but the 4WD 5.0L V8 model only gets 19 mpg (or 16 mpg on E85).
Dashboard said 15.5 mpg. She said she gets 16.5 when she drives but her husband likes to drive hard.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3506 on: August 30, 2017, 04:51:17 PM »
I'm an idiot at lost my iPhone 4s (I'm an idiot) but had my mom's Moto G4 since she just switched carriers. I used the phone for the day and I love it and think its better than my work iPhone 6s but is driving my wife nuts due to the group chats not connecting properly due to Apple's features. Luckily, my sister who was also on my parents plan is giving me her old iPhone 6 and I will use that.

Point of the story is that Apple has creating a super expensive product and service that is needlessly exclusive and has become socially so popular you are shamed for not having one. I like the $150 moto better than the iPhone but would get in constant arguments with my wife if I didnt switch back to the iPhone.

It reminds me of Vegas where the pools like Caeser are super popular, cost $XX to get in and you have to pay $12 a drink for the same experience as a hotel off the strip you can drink (byob) and have pool time for free. I'm with friends all

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« Reply #3507 on: August 30, 2017, 06:54:22 PM »
I'm an idiot at lost my iPhone 4s (I'm an idiot) but had my mom's Moto G4 since she just switched carriers. I used the phone for the day and I love it and think its better than my work iPhone 6s but is driving my wife nuts due to the group chats not connecting properly due to Apple's features. Luckily, my sister who was also on my parents plan is giving me her old iPhone 6 and I will use that.

Point of the story is that Apple has creating a super expensive product and service that is needlessly exclusive and has become socially so popular you are shamed for not having one. I like the $150 moto better than the iPhone but would get in constant arguments with my wife if I didnt switch back to the iPhone.

It reminds me of Vegas where the pools like Caeser are super popular, cost $XX to get in and you have to pay $12 a drink for the same experience as a hotel off the strip you can drink (byob) and have pool time for free. I'm with friends all

You should be able to get that to work. I know with GOSMS group texts work even with iPhone users.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3508 on: August 31, 2017, 01:24:09 AM »
I'm an idiot at lost my iPhone 4s (I'm an idiot) but had my mom's Moto G4 since she just switched carriers. I used the phone for the day and I love it and think its better than my work iPhone 6s but is driving my wife nuts due to the group chats not connecting properly due to Apple's features. Luckily, my sister who was also on my parents plan is giving me her old iPhone 6 and I will use that.

Point of the story is that Apple has creating a super expensive product and service that is needlessly exclusive and has become socially so popular you are shamed for not having one.
I don't follow. Why is it Apple's fault that your phone doesn't work or that of the myriad of available communication channels you (plural) chose one not open to all devices?

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3509 on: August 31, 2017, 01:35:11 AM »
I'm an idiot at lost my iPhone 4s (I'm an idiot) but had my mom's Moto G4 since she just switched carriers. I used the phone for the day and I love it and think its better than my work iPhone 6s but is driving my wife nuts due to the group chats not connecting properly due to Apple's features. Luckily, my sister who was also on my parents plan is giving me her old iPhone 6 and I will use that.

Point of the story is that Apple has creating a super expensive product and service that is needlessly exclusive and has become socially so popular you are shamed for not having one.
I don't follow. Why is it Apple's fault that your phone doesn't work or that of the myriad of available communication channels you (plural) chose one not open to all devices?

It's not their "fault" but definitely their plan and goal.
That's why you shouldn't use the chat platform of your device manufacturer. It's like using the email address provided by by your ISP. First it seems to be convenient because it is there and it works. But it will bite you in the ass.

Speaking of him, my FIL "can't" switch to a cheaper ISP (15-20€ less per month) because his company email is an @o2online.de address. O2 would terminate the address as soon as he terminates the contract. No mail forwarding or anything.

I told him he should just make a Gmail account and tell his customers. Answer emails to the old address from the new address and they will learn it. We aren't talking about thousands of customers, maybe a dozen and most of them he meets in person very often, so loosing a contract would be very unlikely.
But it's to much effort to him...
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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3510 on: August 31, 2017, 06:04:46 AM »
I'm an idiot at lost my iPhone 4s (I'm an idiot) but had my mom's Moto G4 since she just switched carriers. I used the phone for the day and I love it and think its better than my work iPhone 6s but is driving my wife nuts due to the group chats not connecting properly due to Apple's features. Luckily, my sister who was also on my parents plan is giving me her old iPhone 6 and I will use that.

Point of the story is that Apple has creating a super expensive product and service that is needlessly exclusive and has become socially so popular you are shamed for not having one.
I don't follow. Why is it Apple's fault that your phone doesn't work or that of the myriad of available communication channels you (plural) chose one not open to all devices?

I have experienced this group shaming phenomenon. If you're not following, I assume you have never experienced a group text between apple and Android phones with dropped texts, multiple threads created automatically for no reason and responses split between each thread. It's not as easy as it sounds to just move to another communication channel. Everyone uses something different.


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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3511 on: August 31, 2017, 07:47:11 AM »
I'm an idiot at lost my iPhone 4s (I'm an idiot) but had my mom's Moto G4 since she just switched carriers. I used the phone for the day and I love it and think its better than my work iPhone 6s but is driving my wife nuts due to the group chats not connecting properly due to Apple's features. Luckily, my sister who was also on my parents plan is giving me her old iPhone 6 and I will use that.

Point of the story is that Apple has creating a super expensive product and service that is needlessly exclusive and has become socially so popular you are shamed for not having one.
I don't follow. Why is it Apple's fault that your phone doesn't work or that of the myriad of available communication channels you (plural) chose one not open to all devices?

I have experienced this group shaming phenomenon. If you're not following, I assume you have never experienced a group text between apple and Android phones with dropped texts, multiple threads created automatically for no reason and responses split between each thread. It's not as easy as it sounds to just move to another communication channel. Everyone uses something different.


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I think that can happen even among all androids. I really am a big fan of the iMessage, and wish I could get it on an android. If I could, I wouldn't have apple anymore.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3512 on: August 31, 2017, 08:17:39 AM »
I have experienced this group shaming phenomenon. If you're not following, I assume you have never experienced a group text between apple and Android phones with dropped texts, multiple threads created automatically for no reason and responses split between each thread. It's not as easy as it sounds to just move to another communication channel. Everyone uses something different.
You know people who'd rather tell you to buy a 600+$ phone than install a messenger app that runs on both OSes? Mind = blown.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3513 on: August 31, 2017, 10:43:12 AM »
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Dashboard said 15.5 mpg. She said she gets 16.5 when she drives but her husband likes to drive hard.



If true there should be face punches all around. That's the mileage a late '80s Suburban gets with a V8 350. Good Lord.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3514 on: August 31, 2017, 11:12:15 AM »
Dashboard said 15.5 mpg. She said she gets 16.5 when she drives but her husband likes to drive hard.

If true there should be face punches all around. That's the mileage a late '80s Suburban gets with a V8 350. Good Lord.

1989 Suburban with 350 is rated for 11/13 mpg city/highway. That averages to 12 mpg which is 29% more fuel consumed than 15.5 mpg.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3515 on: August 31, 2017, 12:22:22 PM »
Perhaps I was a bit too subtle, my point was that I would have expected greater “real world” efficiency gains in 30 years of truck technology if the OP’s friend really was getting 16.5MPG on the highway. From my experience, the mall-rated  (2wd, Ecoboost, etc) trucks that never see dirt in the bed nor on the tires have reached a point where their economy is on par with mid-size sedans of years past, so while face-punch-worthy in this crowd, not every F150 on the road is a rolling gas hog.

Turbos, direct injection, 10-speed transmissions and extensive use of aluminum should (and AFAIK is) getting better MPG than my 1987 Suburban (which, despite the internet reference, does get better than the MPG suggested in completely stock trim on 87 non-E and with a 700R4). I’ve had several GMT400’s (currently have two in 4x4 trim) and 15MPG is more their domain.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3516 on: August 31, 2017, 01:18:50 PM »
Perhaps I was a bit too subtle, my point was that I would have expected greater “real world” efficiency gains in 30 years of truck technology if the OP’s friend really was getting 16.5MPG on the highway. From my experience, the mall-rated  (2wd, Ecoboost, etc) trucks that never see dirt in the bed nor on the tires have reached a point where their economy is on par with mid-size sedans of years past, so while face-punch-worthy in this crowd, not every F150 on the road is a rolling gas hog.

Turbos, direct injection, 10-speed transmissions and extensive use of aluminum should (and AFAIK is) getting better MPG than my 1987 Suburban (which, despite the internet reference, does get better than the MPG suggested in completely stock trim on 87 non-E and with a 700R4). I’ve had several GMT400’s (currently have two in 4x4 trim) and 15MPG is more their domain.

And now, back to the Wall of Shame and Comedy!

I agree and I believe both real world and paper gains have been significant over the last 30 years. My guess is the 15.5-16.5 mpg displayed in the truck is an average that is from mixed or mostly city driving. Even the worst new F150 should be getting 19 mpg on the highway (with regular gas) and the best ones get 26 mpg.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3517 on: August 31, 2017, 02:24:02 PM »
I have experienced this group shaming phenomenon. If you're not following, I assume you have never experienced a group text between apple and Android phones with dropped texts, multiple threads created automatically for no reason and responses split between each thread. It's not as easy as it sounds to just move to another communication channel. Everyone uses something different.
You know people who'd rather tell you to buy a 600+$ phone than install a messenger app that runs on both OSes? Mind = blown.



my kids have all tried to get me to buy them Apple phones over the last couple years because they say there group chats with their teams they cant be in. I said you want one fine, you pay the upcharge not me. Is there an app or something I can suggest? Im tired of this response but I am not caving.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3518 on: August 31, 2017, 02:28:15 PM »
I have experienced this group shaming phenomenon. If you're not following, I assume you have never experienced a group text between apple and Android phones with dropped texts, multiple threads created automatically for no reason and responses split between each thread. It's not as easy as it sounds to just move to another communication channel. Everyone uses something different.
You know people who'd rather tell you to buy a 600+$ phone than install a messenger app that runs on both OSes? Mind = blown.



my kids have all tried to get me to buy them Apple phones over the last couple years because they say there group chats with their teams they cant be in. I said you want one fine, you pay the upcharge not me. Is there an app or something I can suggest? Im tired of this response but I am not caving.
WhatsApp. Very popular outside the USA. Encrypted messages. You can set up groups.
OTOH, it's owned by FaceBook.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3519 on: August 31, 2017, 02:32:37 PM »
I have experienced this group shaming phenomenon. If you're not following, I assume you have never experienced a group text between apple and Android phones with dropped texts, multiple threads created automatically for no reason and responses split between each thread. It's not as easy as it sounds to just move to another communication channel. Everyone uses something different.
You know people who'd rather tell you to buy a 600+$ phone than install a messenger app that runs on both OSes? Mind = blown.



my kids have all tried to get me to buy them Apple phones over the last couple years because they say there group chats with their teams they cant be in. I said you want one fine, you pay the upcharge not me. Is there an app or something I can suggest? Im tired of this response but I am not caving.

I find this really odd. I'm not really up on all the messenger apps but since everyone I know has Facebook, we all use the Facebook messenger apps or groups. My son's footy team created a private group page for parents on Facebook (he's 8) and posted there. Even my 6yo daughter's dance class has a Facebook group page. I get notified every time someone posts so it might as well be messenger.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3520 on: August 31, 2017, 02:46:12 PM »
I have experienced this group shaming phenomenon. If you're not following, I assume you have never experienced a group text between apple and Android phones with dropped texts, multiple threads created automatically for no reason and responses split between each thread. It's not as easy as it sounds to just move to another communication channel. Everyone uses something different.
You know people who'd rather tell you to buy a 600+$ phone than install a messenger app that runs on both OSes? Mind = blown.



my kids have all tried to get me to buy them Apple phones over the last couple years because they say there group chats with their teams they cant be in. I said you want one fine, you pay the upcharge not me. Is there an app or something I can suggest? Im tired of this response but I am not caving.

I find this really odd. I'm not really up on all the messenger apps but since everyone I know has Facebook, we all use the Facebook messenger apps or groups. My son's footy team created a private group page for parents on Facebook (he's 8) and posted there. Even my 6yo daughter's dance class has a Facebook group page. I get notified every time someone posts so it might as well be messenger.
Not to mention you can have different threads discussing different things at the same time (dance lessons, costume prep, etc). Why are people so hung up on group texts?

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3521 on: August 31, 2017, 02:59:09 PM »
I have experienced this group shaming phenomenon. If you're not following, I assume you have never experienced a group text between apple and Android phones with dropped texts, multiple threads created automatically for no reason and responses split between each thread. It's not as easy as it sounds to just move to another communication channel. Everyone uses something different.
You know people who'd rather tell you to buy a 600+$ phone than install a messenger app that runs on both OSes? Mind = blown.
My friends and me all had jobs (until recently) that paid for the phones. I admit I would be annoyed at friends that didn't have iPhones until I realized the cost of the iPhones when you paid for it yourselves and just this week test drive a moto g4.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3522 on: August 31, 2017, 10:55:49 PM »
I have experienced this group shaming phenomenon. If you're not following, I assume you have never experienced a group text between apple and Android phones with dropped texts, multiple threads created automatically for no reason and responses split between each thread. It's not as easy as it sounds to just move to another communication channel. Everyone uses something different.
You know people who'd rather tell you to buy a 600+$ phone than install a messenger app that runs on both OSes? Mind = blown.



my kids have all tried to get me to buy them Apple phones over the last couple years because they say there group chats with their teams they cant be in. I said you want one fine, you pay the upcharge not me. Is there an app or something I can suggest? Im tired of this response but I am not caving.
WhatsApp. Very popular outside the USA. Encrypted messages. You can set up groups.
OTOH, it's owned by FaceBook.

DH and I are in Europe right now, and his European relatives set him up on WhatsApp. So yeah, popular here.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3523 on: September 01, 2017, 12:14:53 AM »
Even better than WhatsApp is Telegram. Don't thank me :)

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3524 on: September 01, 2017, 12:27:51 AM »
Even better than WhatsApp is Telegram. Don't thank me :)
Or Signal or Slack or Skype or ICQ

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3525 on: September 01, 2017, 04:04:39 AM »
I have experienced this group shaming phenomenon. If you're not following, I assume you have never experienced a group text between apple and Android phones with dropped texts, multiple threads created automatically for no reason and responses split between each thread. It's not as easy as it sounds to just move to another communication channel. Everyone uses something different.
You know people who'd rather tell you to buy a 600+$ phone than install a messenger app that runs on both OSes? Mind = blown.



my kids have all tried to get me to buy them Apple phones over the last couple years because they say there group chats with their teams they cant be in. I said you want one fine, you pay the upcharge not me. Is there an app or something I can suggest? Im tired of this response but I am not caving.
WhatsApp. Very popular outside the USA. Encrypted messages. You can set up groups.
OTOH, it's owned by FaceBook.
I can't even people who prefer imessage over WhatsApp. So useful for communicating with people with other devices, not to mention the computer integration. Just last week my relatives said I *need* an iPhone so I can join their group texts..  When WhatsApp does that so much better.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3526 on: September 01, 2017, 07:19:22 AM »
American guy using an iPhone and I'm USA based. I only use WhatsApp and Telegram for group chats. Even with fellow iPhone users. Members exist in the group chats from all around the World.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3527 on: September 01, 2017, 08:42:57 AM »
Not sure where to put this story since it really isnt a shaming story and I'm the relative who just doesn't get it due to my mustachian ways...

My sister lives outside Austin and is texting us how all the gas stations around her are out of gas. Partly due to supply/partly due to fear with every truck in Texas fueling up. It took me a few minutes to comprehend how this would severely impact her life living 30 minutes outside the city in hills and in a community meant to drive every where. As any self-centered human being, I looked at it from my lifestyle and was like what's the big deal. My car has been sitting with 3/4 tank of gas for two weeks. I couldn't even comprehend the problem at first.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3528 on: September 01, 2017, 09:27:19 AM »
American guy using an iPhone and I'm USA based. I only use WhatsApp and Telegram for group chats. Even with fellow iPhone users. Members exist in the group chats from all around the World.

I LOVE Whatsapp. I import products and it is just so useful for talking and sending images and files back my manufacturers to me, and I can send them out to my customers and get an immediate response. I also love that you can send messages on your desktop which is nice as it has most of my documents saved on it and I can type messages faster.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3529 on: September 01, 2017, 09:46:19 AM »
Not sure where to put this story since it really isnt a shaming story and I'm the relative who just doesn't get it due to my mustachian ways...

My sister lives outside Austin and is texting us how all the gas stations around her are out of gas. Partly due to supply/partly due to fear with every truck in Texas fueling up. It took me a few minutes to comprehend how this would severely impact her life living 30 minutes outside the city in hills and in a community meant to drive every where. As any self-centered human being, I looked at it from my lifestyle and was like what's the big deal. My car has been sitting with 3/4 tank of gas for two weeks. I couldn't even comprehend the problem at first.

DFW is seeing the gas "crisis" today as well. Far too many people here at my office that have hour+ long commutes and couldn't come in today because they couldn't get fuel. Plus side is that it is nice and quiet here in the office!

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3530 on: September 01, 2017, 11:08:07 AM »
Not sure where to put this story since it really isnt a shaming story and I'm the relative who just doesn't get it due to my mustachian ways...

My sister lives outside Austin and is texting us how all the gas stations around her are out of gas. Partly due to supply/partly due to fear with every truck in Texas fueling up. It took me a few minutes to comprehend how this would severely impact her life living 30 minutes outside the city in hills and in a community meant to drive every where. As any self-centered human being, I looked at it from my lifestyle and was like what's the big deal. My car has been sitting with 3/4 tank of gas for two weeks. I couldn't even comprehend the problem at first.

But, but, you're only in a good situation because you're lucky...

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3531 on: September 01, 2017, 11:13:56 AM »
Another +1 for WhatsApp. And a huge +1 for Slack. I use it for work but I created separate groups for personal use as well. A million times better than group text.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3532 on: September 01, 2017, 12:02:35 PM »
Even better than WhatsApp is Telegram. Don't thank me :)
Or Signal or Slack or Skype or ICQ
WhatsApp's end-to-end encryption was developed in collaboration with Open Whisper Systems, the company that makes Signal.
The problem is that most of my contacts don't know that Telegram or Signal exists. But almost everyone has WhatsApp.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3533 on: September 01, 2017, 12:25:48 PM »
Or group.me

Just any messanger, not exclusive to Apple.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3534 on: September 01, 2017, 01:36:12 PM »
I have experienced this group shaming phenomenon. If you're not following, I assume you have never experienced a group text between apple and Android phones with dropped texts, multiple threads created automatically for no reason and responses split between each thread. It's not as easy as it sounds to just move to another communication channel. Everyone uses something different.
You know people who'd rather tell you to buy a 600+$ phone than install a messenger app that runs on both OSes? Mind = blown.

I wasn't clear on that. They want us to all have the same phone for the other features exclusive to iPhone like photo sharing and iCloud


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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3535 on: September 01, 2017, 01:37:57 PM »
I've had some limited success getting people to use Telegram - I like it because I can install it on my laptop, I don't have to have a mobile device that uses apps.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3536 on: September 01, 2017, 01:55:02 PM »
I find it a little annoying that there are so many testing platforms now. I use WhatsApp for daycare stuff and FB messenger for some friends and regular group texts for family and other friends and occasionally WeChat when my husband is overseas. I like the interface of regular iOS texts the best. I love the interplay between my phone and my laptop and going back and forth smoothly between for texts. My daycare sends a TON of photos and videos through WhatsApp and it is a constant struggle to delete all of that data so my phone isn't full. I totally understand why people use alternate platforms and how they are cheaper. It just isn't as convnenient on my end as the recipient of so much variety. :)

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3537 on: September 01, 2017, 02:00:20 PM »
Why do you add WeChat in the mix just to communicate with one person?

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3538 on: September 01, 2017, 02:07:39 PM »
She is on Republic Wireless and that is the app she uses. If I want to hear about what my kiddo is doing during the day and which park to pick her up at in the afternoon, I have to use WhatsApp. WeChat I admittedly almost never use,  it it is popular in Asia so my husband is ok it with all of his overseas relatives. He uses it sometimes when a lead also for whatever reason.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3539 on: September 02, 2017, 03:27:08 AM »
You know people who'd rather tell you to buy a 600+$ phone than install a messenger app that runs on both OSes? Mind = blown.

I wasn't clear on that. They want us to all have the same phone for the other features exclusive to iPhone like photo sharing and iCloud
So, like, two apps?

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3540 on: September 03, 2017, 02:00:48 AM »
Nokia MeeGo was an awesome phone OS that solved this problem. The built in chat app integrated with all the other chat apps (text, Facebook, Skype, etc), so there was only one place you had to go to read and reply to any message.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3541 on: September 03, 2017, 06:30:27 PM »
A family member paid $100 to watch the Mayweather-McGregor fight. He had planned to watch it at a pub but decided he couldn't be bothered so paid to stream it instead.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3542 on: September 03, 2017, 06:31:57 PM »
Not a relative (yet) but my girlfriends brother, who told me he makes "between $32k and $37k a year" just bought a house for $215k and then put over $60k renovations into it.  The transmission in his car just blew and he was thinking about buying a new f150 but thankfully decided to just fix the transmission.  He said he is now waiting to get a new f150 or f250 when he receives a raise.  Thankfully my girlfriend is not like this at all.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3543 on: September 04, 2017, 06:50:26 AM »
The base model for an iPhone is 1050$. If the cost of the phone wasn't buried in a 127$/month plan, I doubt it would have 25% of the market share. (This isn't to say that the platform or the device aren't good, I actually think highly of it. The payment structure is genius.)

Not a relative (yet) but my girlfriends brother, who told me he makes "between $32k and $37k a year" just bought a house for $215k and then put over $60k renovations into it.  The transmission in his car just blew and he was thinking about buying a new f150 but thankfully decided to just fix the transmission.  He said he is now waiting to get a new f150 or f250 when he receives a raise.  Thankfully my girlfriend is not like this at all.

I am guessing 25-year amortization with a rate around 3%? I hate to be an old man but your girlfriend's brother is why senior citizens will go without some meals. Unless there was a massive down payment involved, the only way the kid can afford a house that cost is with a crazy low interest rate stretched over a long period.

It is like an iPhone; he can't afford it but the height of the bill is seen over many years instead of upfront.

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3544 on: September 05, 2017, 11:23:21 AM »
When I was eleven, I was at a gathering at my aunt and uncle's house. Uncle went on a LONG rant, probably over an hour, about his brother who had just leased a car. (Uncle by marriage, so his brother is not also an uncle of mine.) This was a terribly stupid decision, especially since he used the lease to not just pay less but to get a more expensive car at the same monthly cost, etc. etc.

That story came up at a gathering with my cousins this weekend, the children of that aunt and uncle. Cousins all started laughing because they remember those rants but had forgotten... and their dad now leases all his cars. (Luckily, the cousins believe in their dad's original view about buying cars outright.)

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3545 on: September 05, 2017, 02:44:25 PM »
Just back from 2 week vacation with my family and Mr. HH's family

My family: Recently retired at 55 parents, fairly frugal, but 100% don't believe in ERE. Also don't believe me when I try to convince them that I have my financial ducks in a row. (Ie I joked about quitting my job, selling our stupidly overpriced house, and moving to a LCOL dream city and living on savings until I/we find other work, and was told this would be the WORST DECISION EVER...could comfortably live for ~10 years until we find other work, assuming we make 0 money.)

My younger brother: Spendy pants habit of buying EVERYTHING on amazon. "It is only $40 for these VR headset!!" I opened his spare room and it was FULL of empty boxes from all his toys.

MIL/FIL: Retired on small pensions at 57. MIL continues to work part time to pay for "fun things". FIL has a new financed car in his driveway every few years. Advised us to open a TFSA when Mr. HH and I were talking about finances...had to explain to them that we had maxed out our limit. Mr. HH was showing MIL mint, and she was shocked at our net worth.

BIL/SIL (slightly older than us): OH DEAR LORD. (I've written about them before on another thread). They are the poster children for anti-mustachian lifestyle.  Have a mcmansion with 6 tvs. Have 3 gas guzzling cars, one is a financed lambourghini (and they are a teacher and an engineer, so not making millions). SIL is all about the Brandnames and the Starbucks! They don't cook, and buy crappy take out food always. Specific story: we were watching HGTV on vacation, and there was a couple looking for a stupidly expensive summer home. SIL says "This is so silly, why would someone waste their money on a house like that!! Imagine how many all inclusive vacations you could buy!!"...0 concept of using property as an investment venue.

But yet...we are the strange ones :P

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3546 on: September 06, 2017, 07:53:06 AM »
Just returned from a weekend trip to Colorado for a family wedding. One night, we were all sitting on the porch, BSing, and I decided to ask the two older, retired gentlemen in the group if they had any advice for someone just starting their career. It started positive with "save as much as you can" until they told me to ignore high-interest debt and save money instead of paying that down as early as possible. Even when I told them that I have student loans at 6% and my 401k is only returning 5% currently they just said "doesn't matter, you need to save everything. Make minimum payments and save the rest."
Um, ok.

Then they hit me with "you need to stash way AT LEAST 5%" and it hit me why neither of them were able to retire until they were nearly 70.

I just ... I saw two successful looking retired guys and thought they would have good advice and was completely blown away by the generic (and uninformed) BS they gave me. Something tells me that all of their vacations they brag about are paid for with credit ...

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3547 on: September 06, 2017, 08:24:44 AM »
"...AT LEAST 5%"

The more emphatically I imagine these two geezers saying AT LEAST, the funnier it is. It's like, WASH YOUR HAIR AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH! WHETHER IT NEEDS IT OR NOT!

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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3548 on: September 06, 2017, 08:25:59 AM »
This is probably a fairly standard story for this thread. Nothing really new or exciting here. It’s just my turn to rant. Sorry if it's too long for the entertainment value.

I’m a 51-year-old woman, married to a wonderful man, with a 29-year-old stepson who lives with us. Let’s call him DS. He lives with us because he’s just finished his undergraduate degree (he spent several years in the Navy in his 20s), has started graduate school, and will probably be moving away soon, so it doesn’t make sense to sign a lease in this area. He’s at a crossroads between perhaps going to a different graduate school next fall, or changing course to go into a Coast Guard program this November that sounds pretty sweet and would keep in on the road to a military retirement, plus possibly sending him to grad school on Uncle Sam’s dime. Smart young man. Big brain. Straight A’s in college. While he was in the Navy, he made decent money and got bonuses because he was in a highly technical specialty. He built up a couple of IRAs worth maybe about $70k in only a few years. I think that’s pretty great.

He came to live with us originally because he and his wife were splitting up. It was a tough decision for him, but we support him and were happy to have him here rather than see him sign a second lease (he had a two-year lease with his wife that they were only several months into). Although he’s a student, he has an income through the GI Bill, so I decided to charge him $250 a month in rent. Market rate would have been at least $400. I didn’t want to give him a free ride because he does have an income, so he should pay rent.

He was driving an old Jeep Cherokee that wasn’t doing him any favors. He’s been living with us for a little over a year (since June of last year. It’s now September). DH and I have both been doing our best to drum good decision-making processes into him, nicely, not often enough to be naggy about it – I hope. He’s been spending a fair amount of money going out, which is a bit annoying because it’s partly subsidized by the low rent I’m charging him. But it’s his money and I wasn’t going to raise the rent out of spite, especially since he'd proven he can save money by stocking his IRA while in the service. He seems to mostly have a good head on his shoulders, or at least have the potential to. Doesn’t get in trouble. Doesn’t drink to excess. Good study habits. Has a new girlfriend who’s nice and a good influence on him. Doesn’t make big messes. Doesn’t make noise.

Here’s where it gets interesting. The Cherokee crapped out last week. He decided to buy another vehicle. I stepped up and did a bunch of research for him on Consumer Reports and Craigslist. He said he wanted to buy a used vehicle in the $6k - $7k range, which sounded extremely reasonable, and I wanted to help steer him in the right direction. I was afraid he'd just buy the first thing that presented itself. He also didn't seem enthused about doing the research, so I did it for him.

Unfortunately he would have to tap his IRA for a car, but considering his IRA is his only savings, his only other choice is a loan. In any case, it wasn’t up to me. I didn’t like the idea of raiding the IRA, but as long as he bought an inexpensive car, the hit would just be what it is, and it wouldn’t be the worst thing he could do.

DH and I went over several possibilities with him, mostly Honda Fits and Honda Civics from around 2011. He made appointments to go see a few of them. He really seemed on track to get a relatively Mustachian vehicle that would serve him well. We all agreed that getting a new car would be a foolish financial choice.

So… he went to see a couple of the cars we all had looked at online. DH offered to go with him, but he went on his own. He’s 29, so that seemed quite reasonable. Well, the next thing we know, he’s bought a NEW 2017 Honda Accord from a car dealer! Argh! Somewhere along the way he’d talked himself into a new vehicle because he actually thinks he’s going to save money when the expected repairs of a used cars are taken into account. The Cherokee used to suck up money regularly, but it’s a Cherokee. Anyway, he already did it by the time we found out about it, and in my state you don't have a cooling-off period. The $6 - $7k he was going to spend on a used car became a down payment for the new car. {Face palm} He’s got a $250/month car payment now! He kept comparing the car payment to his rent and joking about how he could live in his car if he needed to. What about when he moves out?! He got a 0.9% interest rate, so he won’t be paying much in interest. He talks about running the car 20 years, and how he’s glad he’s the first owner, etc. etc.

He just seems to have caved in and done the easy thing and wanted the shiny toy. He didn’t want to worry about the possible car repairs. He’s not thinking ahead to how his car payment is going to affect his life over the next five years. This semester he’s making less money because he’s on an assistantship instead of the GI Bill, so his income has actually gone down. His plan has been to either enter the Coast Guard this fall, in which case he’d move out and get his own place, or to go to a higher-caliber grad school somewhere else next fall, in which case he’d also move out. Either way, his rent is probably going to go up, even if he gets roommates.

My problem with all this is that I’m taking it a bit too personally. I was all excited to help him minimize this bump in the road, and he seemed on board. Then boom, he goes and buys a new car. In addition, I’m looking at my 1998 Camry sitting in the garage and thinking I’ll never have as nice a car as DS does now. It would sure be nice to have a new car, or at least a newer one than I have. I feel grumbly when I see that shiny new car of his. I also feel like now that he has a car payment, he’s more likely to just stay here at the local college and finish his Master’s here, since his rent is cheap. He’s welcome to stay, but he gets straight A’s now, while correcting his professors on applied math problems. He should be at a more elite school. Staying here and finishing wouldn't be the worst thing he could do, but it wouldn't challenge him, either.

In short, I believe DS just tends to do the easy thing. It’s clear to me now that it’s a pattern, from the car episode combined with other things I've seen him do and his past history. I just hope for his sake that he ends up in a high-paying profession that will support his habits, and doesn’t decide to go into more debt for something like a car. I just know I'm going to hear him complaining that he doesn't have any money to go out, or go away, etc. and it's going to be difficult to not be snippy about it. I can't help what he does, but I can help how I react. I suppose I should look at this as a challenge to take the high road when the subject comes up.
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Re: Relatives who just don't get it
« Reply #3549 on: September 06, 2017, 08:26:57 AM »
"...AT LEAST 5%"

The more emphatically I imagine these two geezers saying AT LEAST, the funnier it is. It's like, WASH YOUR HAIR AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH! WHETHER IT NEEDS IT OR NOT!
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