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Title: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: marty998 on November 20, 2016, 05:08:57 AM
Right folks. There's a thread for work, and one for Facebook too.

I'd like to start one for neighbours.

While taking out the garbage bags at my parents place, I was stopped out the front by Ms T, daughter of Mrs B.

Ms T is married and has brood of 4(?) children. I forget how many, but there's a few. Little T is the oldest. The 6 of them used to rent a house for a few years for about $750 a week. More than enough to afford a place, even in Sydney, however they could never get a deposit big enough together, so they have to pay comparatively top dollar rent for a "nice" place. They've bought land out in the far away sticks, and their new house is currently being built. I don't know what sort of work the 2 of them do, but there isn't many jobs where they are going.

To save money in the meantime they've decided to move back in with Mrs B, who is a widow, and was enjoying the relative peace and quiet of not having her children around anymore.

I remember when I was growing up, the 3 girls were between 5-10 years older than me... they would raise hell. The screaming and fighting and...oh my god the nastiness.

Ms T starts recounting the story of the fancy restaurant she and Mr D went to for their anniversary.. they paid $191 for dinner for 2. They were actually prepared to spend up to $600(!) but because they didn't like the prawn entree or the mash potato and side dishes they cut their losses early. Actually she complained about the whole experience and said pub food was better.

Little T has a basic starter manual labor type job. He bought an iPhone7 (how much do they retail for...$1300?), and it caught fire and exploded last week. Ok that part is not really his fault, but despite having Apple Care and warranties etc, they still paid another $150 for a replacement, after arguing with the store. I do not really understand why people NEED an iPhone 7, especially an 18 year old kid who earns $10 an hour. I am aware from previous encounters that Little T has an Xbox + every game under the sun. He did not live a deprived childhood.

Little T also just got his licence, and bought a car for $800 from a mate of a mate(?) I forget this too, wasn't paying too much attention! The engine blew up 100kms later, and they have a $2,000+ repair bill. Little T is also a smoker, which is a pretty ordinary financial choice of habit these days.

The 6 of them went on a tropical destination holiday last year, and are probably going away again this year.

I nodded politely throughout...didn't have much to say beyond "yeah that's tough". Fortunately I started getting bitten by mosquitoes. It gave me a chance to run away from the whole mess.

Talking to her was enlightening in someways. You begin to understand exactly why some people are in the financial situation they are in. They know exactly what they are spending their money on, but they truly believe at the time of purchase of many of these items that they are making optimum decisions.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on November 20, 2016, 05:58:34 AM
Replying to follow. It probably says a lot about a person who enjoys reading these kinds of stories.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: human on November 20, 2016, 06:03:53 AM
Not overheard but observed. Some neighbours have two parking spots (they sell for 30k each), they park one luxury vehicle convertible in the middle of the two spots.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mustachepungoeshere on November 20, 2016, 02:10:25 PM
What a trainwreck.

My neighbours bought a new car a few weeks ago. They kept their original vehicle, so now have two.

Husband and wife work for the same business, which is, no exaggeration, across the street. I walk past their work on my way to the train station to start the commute to my work.

Occasionally, when they can't nab visitor parks*, they park the new car on the street because their garage is full of crap.

I don't know what's in the garage but I would wager that as with most people, it's worth less than the $45,000 car.

*My building has four visitor parks and this couple regularly occupies two of them, screwing over the rest of the building because they don't want to part with Stuff.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: The Guru on November 20, 2016, 03:22:42 PM
What a trainwreck.

My neighbours bought a new car a few weeks ago. They kept their original vehicle, so now have two.

Husband and wife work for the same business, which is, no exaggeration, across the street. I walk past their work on my way to the train station to start the commute to my work.

Occasionally, when they can't nab visitor parks*, they park the new car on the street because their garage is full of crap.

I don't know what's in the garage but I would wager that as with most people, it's worth less than the $45,000 car.

*My building has four visitor parks and this couple regularly occupies two of them, screwing over the rest of the building because they don't want to part with Stuff.

Please tell me they don't drive to work!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: happy on November 20, 2016, 03:52:15 PM
I'll play. Ex neighbours.
Family of 5.
Parked their cars on the street because garage full of stuff. 2x50k cars. After a few years got sick of them and bought 2 new ones.  After a year wifey decided she didn't like the new one, and sold it and bought another one of the kind she sold.  Kids all individually got the latest biggest and best of everything. Giant sized cubby, large trampoline sunk into the ground. Serial top end bikes, then cars. Oh and the boat. No room in front of the house because of the cars, so boat was often parked in front of my house. Actually there were 3 boats. It took 3 models one after the other until they got one that suited.
Decided they wanted a pool, and according to wifey it had to be a good sized pool so it could  fit all of them and their friends and play games. Lots of hard boulders on  a slope, so even though it was an above ground pool, blasting of rock had to be done. It cost 40k and was bog ugly. The folks who bought the house took it out.
Despite a huge house with more bedrooms than people, they then decided they wanted a studio down the back and built an illegal dwelling, coz they "needed" the extra space.
Come time to sell the house - serial skip loads and trailer loads of stuff to the tip - went on for days.
The kids have not grown up well. Entitled, spoilt and ruthlessly exploit others to get what they want.

I had a nice cactus in a nice pot at a time when they were trendy. I'd had the cactus since I was a teenager, and the pot was from my mum. It mysteriously disappeared from my front verandah. Weeks later I spotted it on their's.  Go figure.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: UKMustache on November 21, 2016, 02:49:30 AM
I'll start with a small disclaimer, I have fantastic neighbours and I think of myself as very fortunate to live surrounded by such nice people. 

However I do question the choices made by a house on our street.  They have probably been in for around 18 months. 
During that time they have had (between a household of 4 adults) 8 brand new cars, there is always 3 cars and every few months the oldest gets replaced.

I wondered at first if maybe one of them works in a car leasing business or something but another neighbour has advised not.
The cars are financed and they trade them in when they want a change.  These aren't cheap cars either, the latest addition is an £80k ($100k) range rover sport.

We live on a street where the houses are worth between £180-250k, so by my estimation they have spent more on cars in the last year and a half than their house is worth. 


I also have a VERY mustachian neighbour.  For context we live in a solidly middle class area.
I was talking to him a while ago and he told me that he owns property in the wealthiest suburbs nearby but he rents it out because he doesn't like how everyone in that area is obsessed with status and 'being flashy'. 

He owns an 8 year old german hatchback which is meticulously clean (it looks brand new and that's no exaggeration) and during the summer he spends a lot of time helping other neighbours do their gardens etc.  He's only about 50, I'm not sure at what age he retired but he's never worked while we've lived here.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: patchyfacialhair on November 21, 2016, 08:39:57 AM
Face punch me! We're about to close on our first house, and we have hardly any furniture to fill it...so we may buy some furniture ***gasp*** brand new!

That being said; I've already observed that we have the cheapest/oldest cars in our cul-de-sac so I imagine that I'll have some stories after a little while.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shadowmoss on November 21, 2016, 08:52:41 AM
I live full time in my older small motor home.  I am temporarily (well, most places are temporary since I live in an RV) in a rather upscale resort park in Mesa.  As the snowbirds come back I am trying to fit in.  I went to coffee and donuts on Thursday and sat with a couple who were alone at a big table.  I should have realized that it wasn't because they were lonely.  As their friends filled the other seats, I had a hard time staying in the conversation.  At one point one of the women was talking about how difficult it was for her to get rid of stuff but the need to move meant she had to.  The original woman at the table responded that she moved every 4 years and still had a lot of stuff.  I smiled and said 'Military?'  She replied 'No, bankers, I just want a new house every 4 years.'  Sigh.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: boarder42 on November 21, 2016, 08:53:05 AM
Face punch me! We're about to close on our first house, and we have hardly any furniture to fill it...so we may buy some furniture ***gasp*** brand new!

That being said; I've already observed that we have the cheapest/oldest cars in our cul-de-sac so I imagine that I'll have some stories after a little while.

why not just buy it off craigslist. if you're getting by with the furniture you have now why do you need more to "fill" a new house.  you could slowly acrue the items you want.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: jeeebus on November 21, 2016, 09:09:16 AM
Not heard anything over the fence as such... yet.

Our neighbours are new and moved in a few weeks ago. They are about the same age as us - late 20s. They paid about 30% more than we did 3 years ago for their almost identical house (due to the rising market), before hiring a team of builders for nearlya month to replace the 4 year old kitchen and re-decorate the rest of the house. They own a sporty Mercedes and a top of the range Lexus, and can frequently be seen at the weekends returning home from the nearby shopping centre with arms full of bags from designer shops.

We have already on two occasions heard them having rather loud arguements (shouting matches) about money. I have no doubt that they will be making frequent appearences in this thread in the future.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MgoSam on November 21, 2016, 09:11:18 AM
Face punch me! We're about to close on our first house, and we have hardly any furniture to fill it...so we may buy some furniture ***gasp*** brand new!

That being said; I've already observed that we have the cheapest/oldest cars in our cul-de-sac so I imagine that I'll have some stories after a little while.

why not just buy it off craigslist. if you're getting by with the furniture you have now why do you need more to "fill" a new house.  you could slowly acrue the items you want.

I agree, when I bought my house I was fortunate in that my parents had a furnished indoor den that they hardly used. They had no problem gifting me the furniture and it's in my main floor. It's old and doesn't look all that good, but I haven't heard any complaints. I will upgrade eventually as it's leather and I would prefer a different fabric, but I'm not willing to shell out money.

I highly advise against going on a buying binge for your house but rather make a list of things you want. Find out which ones are essential and start shopping around to find good deals on those (Black Friday can sometimes yield bargains, plus post-holidays is when people clean out things...like if you don't need a Christmas tree but want one, wait until Jan/Feb for the following year), and for everything else, just keep looking around for deals.

When buying a house, it's good to have money saved up because there may be expenses that you simply cannot account for until you move in.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: infogoon on November 21, 2016, 09:34:41 AM
Posting to follow. I haven't heard anything yet, but my neighborhood appears to be getting gentrified (there aren't even any vacants left!) so I'm sure it's a matter of time.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: patchyfacialhair on November 21, 2016, 09:37:47 AM
Face punch me! We're about to close on our first house, and we have hardly any furniture to fill it...so we may buy some furniture ***gasp*** brand new!

That being said; I've already observed that we have the cheapest/oldest cars in our cul-de-sac so I imagine that I'll have some stories after a little while.

why not just buy it off craigslist. if you're getting by with the furniture you have now why do you need more to "fill" a new house.  you could slowly acrue the items you want.

I agree, when I bought my house I was fortunate in that my parents had a furnished indoor den that they hardly used. They had no problem gifting me the furniture and it's in my main floor. It's old and doesn't look all that good, but I haven't heard any complaints. I will upgrade eventually as it's leather and I would prefer a different fabric, but I'm not willing to shell out money.

I highly advise against going on a buying binge for your house but rather make a list of things you want. Find out which ones are essential and start shopping around to find good deals on those (Black Friday can sometimes yield bargains, plus post-holidays is when people clean out things...like if you don't need a Christmas tree but want one, wait until Jan/Feb for the following year), and for everything else, just keep looking around for deals.

When buying a house, it's good to have money saved up because there may be expenses that you simply cannot account for until you move in.

Fair enough...although I did say "some"...

New Mattress? Brand new...don't even try to convince me otherwise. Sleep is a third of life I'm not skimping on a good mattress. We found one we love for $1K, and it's a nice big king size. We're putting our existing bed, a small queen bed, in a guest bedroom.

Dining table? Maybe used, but this is our favorite/most used area so we'll get something nice and big and "its gotta be perfect."

Baby furniture? You're damn right I'm buying used or taking donations. They're only small for so long.

Wood furniture like china hutches and end tables and bed sets?...used if at all possible. Good wood furniture found at a bargain is easy to accomplish. Estate sales, consignment stores, and patience are the key here.

Cloth furniture like couches? Probably new. We both have an aversion to getting cloth furniture from used sources, as it's a fantastic way to bring bedbugs or other pests into your home.

All in, I'm guessing we'll spend around $10K on absolutely everything to furnish our ridiculous borderline McMansion 2600 sqft. Keep the facepunches coming, I have a solid chin.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: boarder42 on November 21, 2016, 09:53:36 AM
thats a pile to furnish a small mcmansion.  we furnished a 3800 mcmansion for around 2k ... keeping most of what we had in our 1800sqft house. but to each their own i guess.  used mattress for us.  neighbor bought it slept on it for a week and hated it ... could not be returned due to not buying the stupid cover from the furniture store - 1800 dollar mattress 400 bucks (thanks to people with an aversion to used mattresses like yourself) dining table with hutch beautiful 400 bucks could resell for 1k or more - coffee table and end tables 40 bucks -  lazyboy couch for nook area 200 bucks - king bedroom set - negative 300 bucks.  had a frame we liked finally found some matching tables and a dresser.  - resold our unmatching stuff and the frame we didnt need for 300 more than we paid for it all. -  the deals are out there if you apply patience. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Lanthiriel on November 21, 2016, 12:03:40 PM
I love my neighbors. They're wonderful people, but I think we're mutually horrified at the way each pair lives.

Their house is 3300 square feet for four people. They have two financed $40k cars that they bought within a year of each other. When we came home with a new couch that we paid for with cash from Costco, they said that we "inspired" them to spend $4k on a couch from a local furniture store to take advantage of their 0% interest financing. They each have 10-year old student loans that they've been paying interest only on and haven't touched the principal. Just a few days after we had a long discussion about retirement savings while our dogs played in my backyard, they came home with a new boat.

We used to both try to sway the other to our view of things, her that I should "live more" and me that it's "better to pay cash." Now we've largely given up and just enjoy each other's friendship.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: AlanStache on November 21, 2016, 12:45:50 PM
My neighbors make a habit of leaving there gate open and unlatched.  Who does that? 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mustachepungoeshere on November 21, 2016, 12:55:54 PM
I love my neighbors. They're wonderful people, but I think we're mutually horrified at the way each pair lives.

I love this.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Uturn on November 21, 2016, 12:57:26 PM
My neighbors make a habit of leaving there gate open and unlatched.  Who does that?

I don't have a gate, or front fences.  I don't have any animals or kids that I am trying to keep in. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Uturn on November 21, 2016, 01:04:41 PM
I don't know if my neighbor is mustachian or not.  In the past year, he has purchased an Alfa 4C, Tesla Model D, and probably $50k in landscaping.  New patio, stone retainer wall, pergola, and built in grill.  So I was thinking that he is probably financed to the hilt.  He was showing me the new Tesla last week and I said something about living the good life.  He laughed and said "I'm 65 years old, don't have any kids, work because I like it, and will not outlive my money.  So why not?" 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: jinga nation on November 21, 2016, 01:10:07 PM
I don't know if my neighbor is mustachian or not.  In the past year, he has purchased an Alfa 4C, Tesla Model D, and probably $50k in landscaping.  New patio, stone retainer wall, pergola, and built in grill.  So I was thinking that he is probably financed to the hilt.  He was showing me the new Tesla last week and I said something about living the good life.  He laughed and said "I'm 65 years old, don't have any kids, work because I like it, and will not outlive my money.  So why not?"
"He who dies with the most toys wins."
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: slugline on November 21, 2016, 01:22:49 PM
I don't know if my neighbor is mustachian or not.  In the past year, he has purchased an Alfa 4C, Tesla Model D, and probably $50k in landscaping.  New patio, stone retainer wall, pergola, and built in grill.  So I was thinking that he is probably financed to the hilt.  He was showing me the new Tesla last week and I said something about living the good life.  He laughed and said "I'm 65 years old, don't have any kids, work because I like it, and will not outlive my money.  So why not?"

Not Mustachian, but genuinely happy anyway? I guess that's possible. :)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: AlanStache on November 21, 2016, 01:51:39 PM
I don't know if my neighbor is mustachian or not.  In the past year, he has purchased an Alfa 4C, Tesla Model D, and probably $50k in landscaping.  New patio, stone retainer wall, pergola, and built in grill.  So I was thinking that he is probably financed to the hilt.  He was showing me the new Tesla last week and I said something about living the good life.  He laughed and said "I'm 65 years old, don't have any kids, work because I like it, and will not outlive my money.  So why not?"

Not Mustachian, but genuinely happy anyway? I guess that's possible. :)

Some how it might be possible to NOT want to build your own home... crazy.  Only wonder if he really likes working or just does not know anything else; if he thinks in retirement you have to watch 'the price is right' I can see why he would keep working.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on November 21, 2016, 02:40:09 PM
I don't know if my neighbor is mustachian or not.  In the past year, he has purchased an Alfa 4C, Tesla Model D, and probably $50k in landscaping.  New patio, stone retainer wall, pergola, and built in grill.  So I was thinking that he is probably financed to the hilt.  He was showing me the new Tesla last week and I said something about living the good life.  He laughed and said "I'm 65 years old, don't have any kids, work because I like it, and will not outlive my money.  So why not?"

This guy sounds like he is truly happy. Certainly nothing wrong with enjoying the money one has earned.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Chris22 on November 21, 2016, 02:49:50 PM
My neighbors make a habit of leaving there gate open and unlatched.  Who does that?

My neighbor does.  The only reason my gates are closed is because I have a small dog I'm keeping fenced in when he's back there.  My neighbor has no dog.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: gliderpilot567 on November 22, 2016, 10:01:17 AM
I like our neighbors, they are friendly and helpful (we'll water each others' plants when one of us is away, our kids play together, occasionally loan each other tools, etc). But they seem to belong in this thread:

- 3 car garage, packed to the hilt with boxes and crap, so both their cars are parked outside. To their credit, their cars are a minivan and a small hatchback that both appear pretty old, so that may be the most mustachian thing about them. In comparison, our almost identical house next door, I have room in the garage for my wood shop, locker/mud room area, six bicycles easily accessible, a wall of camping equipment on shelves, kids sports equipment, my weight lifting set, and still have room for at least one of our cars and could fit the other one in if desired. Same 3 car garage which I admit is un-mustachian, but we utilize the space efficiently.

- They work at the same place, but always drive separately to work. They don't always work the same days, but come on 3 of 5 work days there's got to be overlap.

- Oftentimes when I am in my garage/shop working for a few hours, or working in the yard, I see one of them getting in one of their cars, driving away, then returning 15 minutes later with one grocery bag or one bag from Target/Walmart. An hour or two later they will do it again. Several times a day. I think they are running out to buy ONE THING that they desperately need right that moment.

- EVERY morning, around 5:30 or 6, one of them gets in the car, returns 15 minutes later with two starbucks cups. Every. single. morning.

- And the latest gem.... belongs on the Facebook thread but pertains to the same people so I'll post here. One of them decided that one of their dogs (they have several) was having a "bad day," so as a reward this person drove the dog to Taco Bell and bought him a burrito. Yes a Taco Bell burrito, for a dog. Then afterward this neighbor complained that the dog's flatulence was considerably more objectionable than usual. My wife read the story on Facebook and we had a good laugh.

Hope neither of them are on this forum (doubt it!)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Stash Engineer on November 22, 2016, 10:28:25 AM
This thread is hilarious.  My neighbors are no where near as funny as the ones here.  In for more stories...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Stachey on November 22, 2016, 11:51:07 AM
My neighbours are self professed Green types.  They will talk at length about how green they are and how much they love the planet.  Then they park their asses on airplanes every five minutes to fly here to this green conference or there to that luxury vacation.   The "greenest" one of all is on an airplane at least once a month.

I walk to the grocery store which is only ten blocks away and see them all there with their cars in the parking lot.
One had her car down the road for repairs and couldn't figure out how she was going to retrieve it.  She was going around asking people to drive her several blocks down the road so she could pick her car up.   She should have asked me...I could have given her a bus schedule since the bus goes down the street every 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MgoSam on November 22, 2016, 12:30:20 PM

- And the latest gem.... belongs on the Facebook thread but pertains to the same people so I'll post here. One of them decided that one of their dogs (they have several) was having a "bad day," so as a reward this person drove the dog to Taco Bell and bought him a burrito. Yes a Taco Bell burrito, for a dog. Then afterward this neighbor complained that the dog's flatulence was considerably more objectionable than usual. My wife read the story on Facebook and we had a good laugh.

Hope neither of them are on this forum (doubt it!)

A buddy of mine buys his dog a cheeseburger when he goes to McD (which is often) becomes loves seeing his dog just destroy it in under 5 seconds. He too complains of his dog's flatulence but still continues to do things like this.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kitsune on November 22, 2016, 12:37:11 PM
My neighbors make a habit of leaving there gate open and unlatched.  Who does that?

My neighbor does.  The only reason my gates are closed is because I have a small dog I'm keeping fenced in when he's back there.  My neighbor has no dog.

My parents old neighbor used to.

He was a farmer. Had a huge bull with like 3-ft-long horns who would escape through the 'oops, forgot that!' open gate on a weekly basis.

Fortunately, this guy was a freakin' LEGEND - my mom had to call me in late to highschool a few times, and all she had to say was 'well, Ben got loose and is between us and the car' and the secretary was like 'oh god stay put just come in when he decides to leave'.

There are some advantages to city life, you guys. ;)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: AlanStache on November 22, 2016, 12:52:28 PM
My neighbors make a habit of leaving there gate open and unlatched.  Who does that?

My neighbor does.  The only reason my gates are closed is because I have a small dog I'm keeping fenced in when he's back there.  My neighbor has no dog.

My parents old neighbor used to.

He was a farmer. Had a huge bull with like 3-ft-long horns who would escape through the 'oops, forgot that!' open gate on a weekly basis.

Fortunately, this guy was a freakin' LEGEND - my mom had to call me in late to highschool a few times, and all she had to say was 'well, Ben got loose and is between us and the car' and the secretary was like 'oh god stay put just come in when he decides to leave'.

There are some advantages to city life, you guys. ;)

I have no animals but latching a gate is like turning the lights off when you leave or turning the water off when done, it is just what you do. :-)

Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Half-Borg on November 22, 2016, 02:32:31 PM
I recently saw my neighbor driving around in a Maserati. His name includes a "von" so maybe he/his dad can afford it, but then, why is he lifing in one of the cheapest apartments in town?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Pooperman on November 22, 2016, 03:07:46 PM
My neighbors are fairly frugal. One of them owns a truck, an SUV, and a sports car, but the SUV and the sports car were grandparent hand-me-downs, and they don't actually have car loans (and the vehicles are pushing 10 years old). Not so sure about the other yet, but they all seem fairly Mustachian and handy for the most part. Less than 1/4 of a mile away is McMansionville. We laugh at those people.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mustachepungoeshere on November 22, 2016, 03:27:20 PM
I like our neighbors, they are friendly and helpful (we'll water each others' plants when one of us is away, our kids play together, occasionally loan each other tools, etc). But they seem to belong in this thread:

- 3 car garage, packed to the hilt with boxes and crap, so both their cars are parked outside. To their credit, their cars are a minivan and a small hatchback that both appear pretty old, so that may be the most mustachian thing about them. In comparison, our almost identical house next door, I have room in the garage for my wood shop, locker/mud room area, six bicycles easily accessible, a wall of camping equipment on shelves, kids sports equipment, my weight lifting set, and still have room for at least one of our cars and could fit the other one in if desired. Same 3 car garage which I admit is un-mustachian, but we utilize the space efficiently.

- They work at the same place, but always drive separately to work. They don't always work the same days, but come on 3 of 5 work days there's got to be overlap.

- Oftentimes when I am in my garage/shop working for a few hours, or working in the yard, I see one of them getting in one of their cars, driving away, then returning 15 minutes later with one grocery bag or one bag from Target/Walmart. An hour or two later they will do it again. Several times a day. I think they are running out to buy ONE THING that they desperately need right that moment.

- EVERY morning, around 5:30 or 6, one of them gets in the car, returns 15 minutes later with two starbucks cups. Every. single. morning.

- And the latest gem.... belongs on the Facebook thread but pertains to the same people so I'll post here. One of them decided that one of their dogs (they have several) was having a "bad day," so as a reward this person drove the dog to Taco Bell and bought him a burrito. Yes a Taco Bell burrito, for a dog. Then afterward this neighbor complained that the dog's flatulence was considerably more objectionable than usual. My wife read the story on Facebook and we had a good laugh.

Hope neither of them are on this forum (doubt it!)

That whole post was an emotional roller coaster of increasing surprise and horror, but the dog...

I'd love to know what made it a bad day.

Did he forget where he buried a bone? Tip over his water bowl? Dream about bunnies but wake up before he caught them?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: bassman on November 22, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Our neighbours recently sold their house and went out the next day to put down a deposit on a brand new fancy pants car (with the rest being financed of course).

They are now saying they can't afford to pay for a removal company.  :-\
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on November 23, 2016, 04:36:40 AM
I recently saw my neighbor driving around in a Maserati. His name includes a "von" so maybe he/his dad can afford it, but then, why is he lifing in one of the cheapest apartments in town?

Perhaps he's secretly mustachian and he has a Maserati because he lives in one of the cheapest apartments.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: With This Herring on November 23, 2016, 06:11:09 AM
Following.

Our neighbours recently sold their house and went out the next day to put down a deposit on a brand new fancy pants car (with the rest being financed of course).

They are now saying they can't afford to pay for a removal company.  :-\

I have to look up more terms with you Australians...  "Removal company" sounds like a polite name for a group of assassins, haha.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on November 23, 2016, 06:49:09 AM
Following.

Our neighbours recently sold their house and went out the next day to put down a deposit on a brand new fancy pants car (with the rest being financed of course).

They are now saying they can't afford to pay for a removal company.  :-\

I have to look up more terms with you Australians...  "Removal company" sounds like a polite name for a group of assassins, haha.

Isn't that the plot of Repo Men?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BlueHouse on November 23, 2016, 07:09:19 AM
My neighbors make a habit of leaving there gate open and unlatched.  Who does that?

My neighbor does.  The only reason my gates are closed is because I have a small dog I'm keeping fenced in when he's back there.  My neighbor has no dog.

My parents old neighbor used to.

He was a farmer. Had a huge bull with like 3-ft-long horns who would escape through the 'oops, forgot that!' open gate on a weekly basis.

Fortunately, this guy was a freakin' LEGEND - my mom had to call me in late to highschool a few times, and all she had to say was 'well, Ben got loose and is between us and the car' and the secretary was like 'oh god stay put just come in when he decides to leave'.

There are some advantages to city life, you guys. ;)

I have no animals but latching a gate is like turning the lights off when you leave or turning the water off when done, it is just what you do. :-)
Interesting. Never heard this view. Must all doors in your house be shut too?  I generally leave all bedroom doors open during the day when no one is in them, but I may have to rethink that! 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: boyerbt on November 23, 2016, 09:08:44 AM
My neighbors make a habit of leaving there gate open and unlatched.  Who does that?

My neighbor does.  The only reason my gates are closed is because I have a small dog I'm keeping fenced in when he's back there.  My neighbor has no dog.

My parents old neighbor used to.

He was a farmer. Had a huge bull with like 3-ft-long horns who would escape through the 'oops, forgot that!' open gate on a weekly basis.

Fortunately, this guy was a freakin' LEGEND - my mom had to call me in late to highschool a few times, and all she had to say was 'well, Ben got loose and is between us and the car' and the secretary was like 'oh god stay put just come in when he decides to leave'.

There are some advantages to city life, you guys. ;)

I have no animals but latching a gate is like turning the lights off when you leave or turning the water off when done, it is just what you do. :-)
Interesting. Never heard this view. Must all doors in your house be shut too?  I generally leave all bedroom doors open during the day when no one is in them, but I may have to rethink that!

I for one shut all of the doors upstairs and have the vents in the rooms that are frequently unused shut to be more efficient.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Chris22 on November 23, 2016, 11:40:55 AM
A REAL Mustachian wouldn't have any frequently unused rooms ;)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kitsune on November 23, 2016, 11:47:34 AM
A REAL Mustachian wouldn't have any frequently unused rooms ;)

Pfft. We have a guest room, used minimum one night a week, uusally 2. But we certainly don't heat it the other 5!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Chris22 on November 23, 2016, 12:04:57 PM
A REAL Mustachian wouldn't have any frequently unused rooms ;)

Pfft. We have a guest room, used minimum one night a week, uusally 2. But we certainly don't heat it the other 5!

We have a guest room too. 

For now.

It's being upgraded to "nursery" soon though ;)

Then we'll be at 100% utilization in our house.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MrMoogle on November 23, 2016, 12:30:13 PM
My neighbors make a habit of leaving there gate open and unlatched.  Who does that?

My neighbor does.  The only reason my gates are closed is because I have a small dog I'm keeping fenced in when he's back there.  My neighbor has no dog.

My parents old neighbor used to.

He was a farmer. Had a huge bull with like 3-ft-long horns who would escape through the 'oops, forgot that!' open gate on a weekly basis.

Fortunately, this guy was a freakin' LEGEND - my mom had to call me in late to highschool a few times, and all she had to say was 'well, Ben got loose and is between us and the car' and the secretary was like 'oh god stay put just come in when he decides to leave'.

There are some advantages to city life, you guys. ;)

I have no animals but latching a gate is like turning the lights off when you leave or turning the water off when done, it is just what you do. :-)
Interesting. Never heard this view. Must all doors in your house be shut too?  I generally leave all bedroom doors open during the day when no one is in them, but I may have to rethink that!
It's quite annoying when wind picks up at midnight and the gate starts banging.  It's definitely a problem out here
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kitsune on November 23, 2016, 12:42:27 PM
A REAL Mustachian wouldn't have any frequently unused rooms ;)

Pfft. We have a guest room, used minimum one night a week, uusally 2. But we certainly don't heat it the other 5!

We have a guest room too. 

For now.

It's being upgraded to "nursery" soon though ;)

Then we'll be at 100% utilization in our house.

Hah. Well. We have a kid's room (for the toddler) and a nursery (I'm currently pregnant), and we're planning on 1-2 more after this. The guest room is in the basement, and my sister is here and helps with the kid almost every Friday night, and most Saturdays (the advantage of my sister also being my best friend...), and we have friends who come stay weekends pretty often too (yay rural living - if you wanna see people, gotta give 'em a place to stay)

The logic of the basement guest room: we built the house, and finishing vs not finishing the basement was a 6K difference on total building costs, INCLUDING adding a bathroom, 2 extra closed rooms, and a large tv/elliptical/adult hang-out space. We needed an office space (both of us work from home 3 days a week) ang it was the only place to put one. And doing this made the house go for 3 bedroom and 1.5 bathrooms to 5 bedrooms and 2.5 bathrooms (essentially valued at about 50K more in this area), AND gives us a place to put extra kids once they hit teenage years and get cranky about sharing rooms. So. *shrugs*

Functionally: no regrets. Having friends over and having my sister over this much increases my quality of life WAY more than what it cost to finish this space. :)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Sibley on November 23, 2016, 07:27:40 PM
My neighbor is on his 3rd car this year. First was some sort of black sports-looking car. 2nd was a white jeep thing. newest one is an ORANGE SUV. seriously, orange. Absolutely hideous.

He's a decent neighbor overall though, just has a thing for cars I guess.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: moof on November 23, 2016, 08:30:15 PM
Cross the street neighbor chatted with me a bit today.  He was retired by Intel recently at age 58 with a year severance.  While he is not over the top in his spending, but he does have a boat, camper, 3 cars, and a motorcycle.  He has to go back to work soon as he really has no savings, and "the money goes fast."

Really my nightmare scenario to be a grandpa and have to go interviewing at 58 with no savings to speak of.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: nnls on November 23, 2016, 08:32:20 PM
Posting to follow, I dont really have any stories to share though
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: englyn on November 23, 2016, 09:41:04 PM

I'd love to know what made it a bad day.

Did he forget where he buried a bone? Tip over his water bowl? Dream about bunnies but wake up before he caught them?
HAHAHA best bit of the thread
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Megma on November 23, 2016, 09:53:48 PM

I had a nice cactus in a nice pot at a time when they were trendy. I'd had the cactus since I was a teenager, and the pot was from my mum. It mysteriously disappeared from my front verandah. Weeks later I spotted it on their's.  Go figure.

Did you steal it back? I'd have taken that sucker back and maybe talked to the parents implying it was their kids, though really thinking it was the parents. I'd just want them to know I noticed they stole my plant.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Taran Wanderer on November 23, 2016, 10:49:30 PM
Okay, I want to hear more!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: HappierAtHome on November 23, 2016, 11:15:43 PM
My immediate neighbours are mostly pretty down to earth and frugal, but I've noticed quite a few houses slightly further down the street with multiple large prestige vehicles despite the house itself looking really run down. I guess they just have REALLY different priorities from ours!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: marty998 on November 24, 2016, 01:33:01 AM

I'd love to know what made it a bad day.

Did he forget where he buried a bone? Tip over his water bowl? Dream about bunnies but wake up before he caught them?
HAHAHA best bit of the thread

My cousins have a doggie, when he was a puppy he used to wake up randomly at various times and frantically look left and right searching for...whatever he was dreaming about. He would then bark, and then carry on with doggie life.

It was quite funny to watch when I caught him, but the poor thing is so old now if he wakes up it takes him another 10 minutes to lift his head and then get out of his blanket covered nest.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mustachepungoeshere on November 24, 2016, 01:49:25 AM
My cousins have a doggie, when he was a puppy he used to wake up randomly at various times and frantically look left and right searching for...whatever he was dreaming about. He would then bark, and then carry on with doggie life...

:)

... It was quite funny to watch when I caught him, but the poor thing is so old now if he wakes up it takes him another 10 minutes to lift his head and then get out of his blanket covered nest.

:(
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: happy on November 24, 2016, 03:35:46 AM

I had a nice cactus in a nice pot at a time when they were trendy. I'd had the cactus since I was a teenager, and the pot was from my mum. It mysteriously disappeared from my front verandah. Weeks later I spotted it on their's.  Go figure.

Did you steal it back? I'd have taken that sucker back and maybe talked to the parents implying it was their kids, though really thinking it was the parents. I'd just want them to know I noticed they stole my plant.

Yes I did! I waited til they were all out and crept up on to the verandah and reclaimed it. I decided not to confront them ( although I seriously thought about it) and found a nice spot on the back deck for it.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: FIREby35 on November 25, 2016, 08:25:36 AM
Cross the street neighbor chatted with me a bit today.  He was retired by Intel recently at age 58 with a year severance.  While he is not over the top in his spending, but he does have a boat, camper, 3 cars, and a motorcycle.  He has to go back to work soon as he really has no savings, and "the money goes fast."

Really my nightmare scenario to be a grandpa and have to go interviewing at 58 with no savings to speak of.

If that isn't "over the top" then what is? 58, no savings, but a boat, a camper, 3 cars and a motorcycle - sounds like financial hell.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: moof on November 25, 2016, 11:26:25 PM
Cross the street neighbor chatted with me a bit today.  He was retired by Intel recently at age 58 with a year severance.  While he is not over the top in his spending, but he does have a boat, camper, 3 cars, and a motorcycle.  He has to go back to work soon as he really has no savings, and "the money goes fast."

Really my nightmare scenario to be a grandpa and have to go interviewing at 58 with no savings to speak of.
If that isn't "over the top" then what is? 58, no savings, but a boat, a camper, 3 cars and a motorcycle - sounds like financial hell.
Fair enough.  I'm pretty sure he is debt free, but just spends it as it comes in, which is still better than the sad average.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: redbird on November 26, 2016, 10:46:57 PM
One had her car down the road for repairs and couldn't figure out how she was going to retrieve it.  She was going around asking people to drive her several blocks down the road so she could pick her car up.   She should have asked me...I could have given her a bus schedule since the bus goes down the street every 15 minutes.

WOW. I must be insane to that person for being happy that there's a very good, trustworthy mechanic whose shop is a 45 minute one way walk from my house.

Your story reminds me of my husband's stories of his co-workers (he's back to work temporarily). They go out to eat every single day for lunch, almost always to one of the restaurants/fast food places that are a 5 minute or less walk from the office . They will always drive there, even if the weather is nice. I imagine they would also do the same as your neighbor if in that same situation.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on November 27, 2016, 02:14:50 AM
Sometimes it feels like the Overheard threads are my main reason for coming to this forum.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: appleblossom on November 27, 2016, 02:35:31 AM
Sometimes it feels like the Overheard threads are my main reason for coming to this forum.

+1

I don't post often but I keep coming back for the overheard threads, there's a slightly addictive thrill when a thread has lots of new posts, even when it gets a bit foamy.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Making Cookies on November 27, 2016, 04:27:14 PM
Replying to follow. It probably says a lot about a person who enjoys reading these kinds of stories.

While these stories might represent a statistical outlier it also offers perspective for some of us who are interested. The holidays with extended family (if they live in a different city) can offer something similar.

Yes, it is an opportunity to air grievances and point fingers but damn these stories can be cathartic as in "YEAH - that WAS dumb! Glad I wasn't the only one to notice that!"

Hard to do that politely in real life.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Making Cookies on November 27, 2016, 04:37:29 PM
I love my neighbors. They're wonderful people, but I think we're mutually horrified at the way each pair lives.

Their house is 3300 square feet for four people. They have two financed $40k cars that they bought within a year of each other. When we came home with a new couch that we paid for with cash from Costco, they said that we "inspired" them to spend $4k on a couch from a local furniture store to take advantage of their 0% interest financing. They each have 10-year old student loans that they've been paying interest only on and haven't touched the principal. Just a few days after we had a long discussion about retirement savings while our dogs played in my backyard, they came home with a new boat.

We used to both try to sway the other to our view of things, her that I should "live more" and me that it's "better to pay cash." Now we've largely given up and just enjoy each other's friendship.

You're supposed to be the enabling audience that admires every purchase they bring home. ;)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MrsPete on November 27, 2016, 05:03:21 PM
I can't say I see any neighbors spending poorly -- most of my neighbors are pretty moderate in their spending, or -- if they're not -- I haven't noticed.

I do see this behavior in some family and co-workers.  People who are broke, can't buy groceries the week before payday -- yet lease a new car because it means they can "skip a payment".  People who can't pay their rent, yet bring a fast food breakfast into work every morning.  People one year out of college who pay professionals to move them out of their parents' house /buy all new furniture for an apartment.  I think these people just don't bother to consider the big picture.

A REAL Mustachian wouldn't have any frequently unused rooms ;)
Um, I have two rooms that are completely unused, and it's the right choice for us at this point in our lives:   

- I've been in this house for 16 years, and when we moved in we needed the space -- paid cash for it, never paid any interest.  Living here costs us about 2K/year in taxes plus upkeep.  The house represents less than 4% of our total net worth. 
- It's perfectly located for our jobs and our youngest child's college commute.  We want to stay in this area another couple years 'til we retire; then we intend to go back to the country. 
- Housing prices have skyrocketed, and we could not buy another house in this area for what this would would bring in a sale.  Likewise, if we were to rent, it would cost much more than living in our current house. 

I consider myself frugal, and I'm happily staying right here in this house another couple years!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on November 28, 2016, 10:37:53 AM
One had her car down the road for repairs and couldn't figure out how she was going to retrieve it.  She was going around asking people to drive her several blocks down the road so she could pick her car up.   She should have asked me...I could have given her a bus schedule since the bus goes down the street every 15 minutes.

WOW. I must be insane to that person for being happy that there's a very good, trustworthy mechanic whose shop is a 45 minute one way walk from my house.

Your story reminds me of my husband's stories of his co-workers (he's back to work temporarily). They go out to eat every single day for lunch, almost always to one of the restaurants/fast food places that are a 5 minute or less walk from the office . They will always drive there, even if the weather is nice. I imagine they would also do the same as your neighbor if in that same situation.

The mechanic shop about three miles from my house has won every major award in the city. Price-wise they're a bit higher than average but the quality is good, they're honest, and the turnaround time is fantastic. I took the family car there for some work over the summer, and walking back and forth was no problem at all.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TOgirl on November 28, 2016, 11:19:25 AM
Ok ok...I have one :)

Neighbour's elderly mother passes away, elderly father goes into a nursing/old age home. Important point, I feel, as one of them is still alive.

Before mom is even buried, they empty out the parent's house, grab a realtor, and put it on the market. Sells for 1.2 million, minus closing costs, etc. Neighbour and sibling split the proceeds equally, so neighbour gets around $500,000. They DO NOT tell the elderly father that they sold the house (they have power of attorney, etc so it is legal...but moral is a different story).

Neighbour is now coming around every day dancing for joy that his debt will finally be paid off...he is mid-50's, married, with 2 teenagers. He tells us "Man, it'll be great to have my debt and mortgage paid off now. I might actually be able to retire!! So excited!! The first $300,000 will wipe out all my debt!!!"

So, we estimate he has $200,000 left...then finances a new vehicle for $45,000 and sells the old one for $500, and has contractors in and out of his house non-stop over a few weeks...re-does landscaping, concrete driveway for $18,000, currently ripping out kitchen and renovating for $30,000, sends the kids and wife on a trip for $10,000, plus several other items that I know I'm forgetting. And every day now, he comes over complaining that "my wife wants a new XYZ...guess there goes more money..."

A fellow mustachian neighbour and us have a running bet on when the above neighbour will be broke again, because really...it's just a matter of time!!!

Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: With This Herring on November 28, 2016, 11:57:48 AM
Ok ok...I have one :)

Neighbour's elderly mother passes away, elderly father goes into a nursing/old age home. Important point, I feel, as one of them is still alive.

Before mom is even buried, they empty out the parent's house, grab a realtor, and put it on the market. Sells for 1.2 million, minus closing costs, etc. Neighbour and sibling split the proceeds equally, so neighbour gets around $500,000. They DO NOT tell the elderly father that they sold the house (they have power of attorney, etc so it is legal...but moral is a different story).

Neighbour is now coming around every day dancing for joy that his debt will finally be paid off...he is mid-50's, married, with 2 teenagers. He tells us "Man, it'll be great to have my debt and mortgage paid off now. I might actually be able to retire!! So excited!! The first $300,000 will wipe out all my debt!!!"

So, we estimate he has $200,000 left...then finances a new vehicle for $45,000 and sells the old one for $500, and has contractors in and out of his house non-stop over a few weeks...re-does landscaping, concrete driveway for $18,000, currently ripping out kitchen and renovating for $30,000, sends the kids and wife on a trip for $10,000, plus several other items that I know I'm forgetting. And every day now, he comes over complaining that "my wife wants a new XYZ...guess there goes more money..."

A fellow mustachian neighbour and us have a running bet on when the above neighbour will be broke again, because really...it's just a matter of time!!!

If there is any sort of authority in your country that investigates cases of elder abuse (http://www.preventelderabuse.org/elderabuse/), please contact them.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BlueHouse on November 28, 2016, 12:02:57 PM
Ok ok...I have one :)

Neighbour's elderly mother passes away, elderly father goes into a nursing/old age home. Important point, I feel, as one of them is still alive.

Before mom is even buried, they empty out the parent's house, grab a realtor, and put it on the market. Sells for 1.2 million, minus closing costs, etc. Neighbour and sibling split the proceeds equally, so neighbour gets around $500,000. They DO NOT tell the elderly father that they sold the house (they have power of attorney, etc so it is legal...but moral is a different story).

Neighbour is now coming around every day dancing for joy that his debt will finally be paid off...he is mid-50's, married, with 2 teenagers. He tells us "Man, it'll be great to have my debt and mortgage paid off now. I might actually be able to retire!! So excited!! The first $300,000 will wipe out all my debt!!!"

So, we estimate he has $200,000 left...then finances a new vehicle for $45,000 and sells the old one for $500, and has contractors in and out of his house non-stop over a few weeks...re-does landscaping, concrete driveway for $18,000, currently ripping out kitchen and renovating for $30,000, sends the kids and wife on a trip for $10,000, plus several other items that I know I'm forgetting. And every day now, he comes over complaining that "my wife wants a new XYZ...guess there goes more money..."

A fellow mustachian neighbour and us have a running bet on when the above neighbour will be broke again, because really...it's just a matter of time!!!

Wait!  who is paying for the old man's nursing home?  Doesn't he need that money?  Oh, this story made me so upset. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Cpa Cat on November 28, 2016, 12:11:37 PM
I heard a noise from next door and when I looked out the window, I saw a man vacuuming the neighbor's lawn with a lawn vacuum.

I have twice as many leaves as them (which isn't a ton) and I just mulch-mow mine.

I can't wrap my head around the idea of paying someone to vacuum your lawn, which appeared to take three times as long as raking it and infinity times as long as simply mowing over the leaves.

Then I noticed that this lawn vacuum is becoming increasingly popular in my neighborhood. I can't believe that someone actually invented a vacuum for your lawn and that my ridiculous neighbors thought that vacuuming their lawns was a good idea.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: exterous on November 28, 2016, 12:12:31 PM
I have two but the first one is about us because its only fair and I can only imagine what our neighbors think about us.

Story #1:
There are few things in life that will cause my wife and I to fight more than moving ourselves. We've been together a long time and have done many moves but have yet to figure out how to not fight during a move other than perhaps the 'Pay someone else to do it all' model. Well we looked at doing that this last time, saw the price and both agreed that we would do it ourselves and just fight on the day we were moving.

So the day of the move the usual rumblings and snippy comments from both sides starts. We get to the new house and my wife has to move her car out of the driveway. I am sitting in the Uhaul blocking our (not very busy) street. She has no sense of urgency as she gets into her car and does...well I still don't know what but it didn't involve moving the car. I honk. She starts backing up and then stops. She's close enough I can see her texting. I honk again - longer. I see her arms start waving about and some unseemly gestures appear but she finally gets out of my way. (Supposedly it was to let someone know we were at the house to come by and help. Which could have waited 30 seconds IMO)

So I back the Uhaul into the drive way and hop out. I see an older gentleman from the neighborhood walking down the sidewalk towards our house. He starts to wave.

It was at this moment that my wife, oblivious to the man, comes over and starts yelling at me and dropping F-bombs. The man puts his hand down, turns around and walks quickly away. He probably wonders how we are still married.

Story #2:
We moved into an area that I suspect has many people who wish to appear wealthier than they actually are. The sub recently took over HOA administration from the developer and the first meeting was an eye opener. They wanted to raise HOA fees because there wasn't enough coming in to support the budget. I asked how they knew this since the budget had a list of unknowns like the water bill or electricity for the subdivision lights. I also pointed out that perhaps the expenditures of $2,000 for holiday decorations and $1,500 for community events were areas that could be reduced to lessen the need for an increase.

The answers were vague and basically relied on the fact that other HOA's pay more like the one across the street. People in the audience chimed in that they appreciated how cheap the HOA was. I wanted to point out that our old HOA one town over did more with 1/3 the assessment and that paying more just because someone else does is a poor excuse. I also wanted to point out that the houses in the HOA across the street also cost more. But we were new, the increase wasn't that substantial and it was clear I would be outvoted so I let it drop.

On the community facebook page is filled with people asking for recommendations on what company to hire to put up christmas lights or asking recommendations on what expensive designer dog to get.

Fast forward to the recent HOA meeting and the same person who was asking about companies to hang up christmas lights was complaining they might not have enough money to pay the HOA increase. Their Christmas light look quite nice though.

During this same meeting the topic of landscaping was brought up. The HOA rules require that 1 new tree of at least 5' in height or some specified inches in trunk size be planted within 1 year after the house is first occupied. One of the owners of the last completed houses (Sub was started in 2012) stood up and complained that since her husband was out of work she needed an extension because there was no way they could afford to hire landscapers to do that because they want over $500 to do the work.

I thought I was being helpful when I replied that "The fall tree sales have started so he could take his truck to Nursery X and get a tree that fulfilled the requirements for $75-100." She looked at me like I had tentacles growing out of my face.

So sure he could have some other reason not to do that but I see him washing his truck every other day and carrying large bags of charcoal to his large new 4 burner stove and smoker set he got this summer. (while he was supposedly out of work)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on November 28, 2016, 12:15:32 PM
I heard a noise from next door and when I looked out the window, I saw a man vacuuming the neighbor's lawn with a lawn vacuum.

I have twice as many leaves as them (which isn't a ton) and I just mulch-mow mine.

I can't wrap my head around the idea of paying someone to vacuum your lawn, which appeared to take three times as long as raking it and infinity times as long as simply mowing over the leaves.

Then I noticed that this lawn vacuum is becoming increasingly popular in my neighborhood. I can't believe that someone actually invented a vacuum for your lawn and that my ridiculous neighbors thought that vacuuming their lawns was a good idea.

I have vacuumed my neighbors lawn... but it was because non-degrading construction supplies from my remodel blew all over their nicely manicured lawn. And I did feel at least as stupid as I looked - I'd love to see what a lawn vacuum looks like though. Probably would have been faster than crawling around with my shop vac.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TOgirl on November 28, 2016, 12:20:36 PM


Wait!  who is paying for the old man's nursing home?  Doesn't he need that money?  Oh, this story made me so upset.

Elderly father has one of the best pension plans in the country, all his needs and costs are taken care of through that....this is also bragged about quite often... Apparently the house was just 'extra'.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: gardeningandgreen on November 28, 2016, 01:05:11 PM
None of my neighbors are quite as bad as many on here. Or at least I don't know about it. We do have a neighbor across the street who was mad when a new person moved in next to him and he could no longer park his very large camper in their drive way. He even went as far as parking his camper in the driveway of the new neighbors when they weren't there yet and played dumb when they got there and were like WTF theres a large camper where we are supposed to unload our stuff. Im sure they are getting along wonderfully...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Cpa Cat on November 28, 2016, 01:10:47 PM
I have vacuumed my neighbors lawn... but it was because non-degrading construction supplies from my remodel blew all over their nicely manicured lawn. And I did feel at least as stupid as I looked - I'd love to see what a lawn vacuum looks like though. Probably would have been faster than crawling around with my shop vac.

It basically looks like a mower bag backpack with a motor attached and a big hose about the size of a dryer hose.

It would be faster only if you had dropped shredded paper and lawn clippings on your neighbor's lawn. And even then... dubiously.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: marty998 on November 28, 2016, 01:27:56 PM


Wait!  who is paying for the old man's nursing home?  Doesn't he need that money?  Oh, this story made me so upset.

Elderly father has one of the best pension plans in the country, all his needs and costs are taken care of through that....this is also bragged about quite often... Apparently the house was just 'extra'.


Very sad story of how to blow through half a million. Well, I guess the saving grace is that $300k went to debt reduction.

I too would consider reporting it for elder abuse, pension plan or not, care can get very expensive. The more cash the old man has the better it will be for him.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: With This Herring on November 28, 2016, 01:38:29 PM
I have two but the first one is about us because its only fair and I can only imagine what our neighbors think about us.

Story #1:
There are few things in life that will cause my wife and I to fight more than moving ourselves. We've been together a long time and have done many moves but have yet to figure out how to not fight during a move other than perhaps the 'Pay someone else to do it all' model. Well we looked at doing that this last time, saw the price and both agreed that we would do it ourselves and just fight on the day we were moving.
*snip*

That is the most literal "agree to disagree" I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: patchyfacialhair on November 28, 2016, 01:54:13 PM
None of my neighbors are quite as bad as many on here. Or at least I don't know about it. We do have a neighbor across the street who was mad when a new person moved in next to him and he could no longer park his very large camper in their drive way. He even went as far as parking his camper in the driveway of the new neighbors when they weren't there yet and played dumb when they got there and were like WTF theres a large camper where we are supposed to unload our stuff. Im sure they are getting along wonderfully...

I can't quite imagine the mental gymnastics required to come to the conclusion of "Oh, I'll just park this large recreational vehicle riiiight.....there. Perfect. Nothing wrong with what I just did."
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on November 28, 2016, 01:57:24 PM
I have two but the first one is about us because its only fair and I can only imagine what our neighbors think about us.

Story #1:
There are few things in life that will cause my wife and I to fight more than moving ourselves. We've been together a long time and have done many moves but have yet to figure out how to not fight during a move other than perhaps the 'Pay someone else to do it all' model. Well we looked at doing that this last time, saw the price and both agreed that we would do it ourselves and just fight on the day we were moving.
*snip*

That is the most literal "agree to disagree" I have ever seen.

Ha. Right? Is that mustachian, or cheap? Either way I like the 'Let's compromise and just fight all the time".
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mustachepungoeshere on November 28, 2016, 02:28:52 PM
Ok ok...I have one :)

Neighbour's elderly mother passes away, elderly father goes into a nursing/old age home. Important point, I feel, as one of them is still alive.

Before mom is even buried, they empty out the parent's house, grab a realtor, and put it on the market. Sells for 1.2 million, minus closing costs, etc. Neighbour and sibling split the proceeds equally, so neighbour gets around $500,000. They DO NOT tell the elderly father that they sold the house (they have power of attorney, etc so it is legal...but moral is a different story).

Neighbour is now coming around every day dancing for joy that his debt will finally be paid off...he is mid-50's, married, with 2 teenagers. He tells us "Man, it'll be great to have my debt and mortgage paid off now. I might actually be able to retire!! So excited!! The first $300,000 will wipe out all my debt!!!"

So, we estimate he has $200,000 left...then finances a new vehicle for $45,000 and sells the old one for $500, and has contractors in and out of his house non-stop over a few weeks...re-does landscaping, concrete driveway for $18,000, currently ripping out kitchen and renovating for $30,000, sends the kids and wife on a trip for $10,000, plus several other items that I know I'm forgetting. And every day now, he comes over complaining that "my wife wants a new XYZ...guess there goes more money..."

A fellow mustachian neighbour and us have a running bet on when the above neighbour will be broke again, because really...it's just a matter of time!!!

If there is any sort of authority in your country that investigates cases of elder abuse (http://www.preventelderabuse.org/elderabuse/), please contact them.

Seconded.

This is appalling, and it's definitely on the rise here in Australia.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Half-Borg on November 28, 2016, 02:43:32 PM
It was at this moment that my wife, oblivious to the man, comes over and starts yelling at me and dropping F-bombs. The man puts his hand down, turns around and walks quickly away. He probably wonders how we are still married.
Maybe it's the reason you're still married. You gotta let out some steam every once in a while :D
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: bebegirl on November 28, 2016, 03:00:52 PM
Wow, I doubt that my neighbors will outplay the above horror stories, but let me try ))

Our recent neighbor in the apartment across the hall is a young woman sales manager. Later turned out that her boy-friend lives in another city where he "goes to university" but regularly he spends weeks living with her.

I am wondering if he compensates her for the cost of the apartment though. Obviously he does not work.

Every week multiple times either her or him receives a package from amazon prime and women's online retailer.

On a regular basis a big package is awaiting for them with the note "open quickly - perishable". Turned out this was some kind of seafood restaurant!!

Recently we put on our coats to go for a walk to Trader Joe's for grocery shopping and this boy-friend appeared barefooted at the same time saying "excuse me, I just want to go and get some food..." and run downstairs in front of us. I was puzzled for a second because was wondering how he planned to go grocery shopping wearing pijamas pants  but figured quickly at the entrance when he was receiving restaurant take out from a delivery man!

Every time this guy returns back from the place of his study he puts out endless boxes of stuff and covers the whole backyard like this is his personal backyard though we live in apartment building.

What he is doing with that stuff - hard to imagine. But this happens on a regular basis. I saw their apartment when the door was opened - tons of stuff on the floor.




Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BFGirl on November 28, 2016, 03:30:30 PM
Ok ok...I have one :)

Neighbour's elderly mother passes away, elderly father goes into a nursing/old age home. Important point, I feel, as one of them is still alive.

Before mom is even buried, they empty out the parent's house, grab a realtor, and put it on the market. Sells for 1.2 million, minus closing costs, etc. Neighbour and sibling split the proceeds equally, so neighbour gets around $500,000. They DO NOT tell the elderly father that they sold the house (they have power of attorney, etc so it is legal...but moral is a different story).

Neighbour is now coming around every day dancing for joy that his debt will finally be paid off...he is mid-50's, married, with 2 teenagers. He tells us "Man, it'll be great to have my debt and mortgage paid off now. I might actually be able to retire!! So excited!! The first $300,000 will wipe out all my debt!!!"

So, we estimate he has $200,000 left...then finances a new vehicle for $45,000 and sells the old one for $500, and has contractors in and out of his house non-stop over a few weeks...re-does landscaping, concrete driveway for $18,000, currently ripping out kitchen and renovating for $30,000, sends the kids and wife on a trip for $10,000, plus several other items that I know I'm forgetting. And every day now, he comes over complaining that "my wife wants a new XYZ...guess there goes more money..."

A fellow mustachian neighbour and us have a running bet on when the above neighbour will be broke again, because really...it's just a matter of time!!!

If there is any sort of authority in your country that investigates cases of elder abuse (http://www.preventelderabuse.org/elderabuse/), please contact them.

Please report this elder abuse!  This is not legal!  An agent under a power of attorney is a fiduciary and are not allowed to do what they want with the money.  This could cause serious harm to this elderly man and his future care!  People like this are the reason I have a job.  The quicker this is reported, the quicker something can be done to preserve some assets for this poor elderly man.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Fresh Bread on November 28, 2016, 04:01:07 PM
Our soon to be neighbour bought the house nextdoor for $500k more than market price, or more than 25%. It wasn't on the market at the time. I still have no idea why they paid so much when they could have got one nearby for HALF A MILLION less. Baffled.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Noodle on November 28, 2016, 05:51:52 PM
I don't know much about my neighbors (pretty quiet condo complex, nodding and smiling is about as far as we go...) but I enjoy speculating. My complex is pretty modestly priced for the area--especially before the local market went crazy about 4 years ago, it would have been very affordable on a not-fancy salary. However, the cars in the garage are evenly divided between modest sedans, very expensive cars, and enormous trucks/SUVs. I can't decide if my neighbors are crazy, because they are buying expensive cars on modest salaries, or extremely sensible, because they choose to balance out their expensive vehicles with cheaper housing. And I have no explanation for the giganto-mobiles, which barely fit in our parking spots (and are a nuisance to have to back out next to.) If you live in a tiny condo, you are unlikely to be hauling your horse trailer or moving gigantic loads of potting soil. Of course, some may be renters (the rents here are on the higher end) and others may have cars they bought during a previous phase of life. But it's fun to speculate.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TravelJunkyQC on November 30, 2016, 01:59:13 PM
A neighbour in our condo complex: she used to have a financed SUV Tiguan (single woman, no children). She also used to be an insurance broker. Then she decided that it wasn't what she wanted to do, she wants to "make a difference" (which is perfectly acceptable), so she's started all sorts of esoteric projects, becoming a sort of "life-coach", I don't know. Anywhoo, doesn't make much money off it all.

She doesn't cook, and her "client meetings" are always in little cafés, so she's in restaurants pretty much every day. My BF convinced her to sell her truck when she started having money issues, so she did, and "borrowed" her parents' car... indefinitely (it's been about 6 months now).
She went to my BF to ask him for a 2k loan to pay her mortgage because her cards and lines of credits are maxed out. He said "sure", and offered a 4% loan, payable monthly. She said, "oh, I thought you were just loaning me the money, not like a bank... nevermind, I'll ask my parents".

Now she's taking a class on naturopathic whatnot, and wants to join an essential oil MLM, and is trying to sell her condo because she can't make payments (although according to her, it's because her condo "isn't what she's looking for anymore").
She's 32 and has an MBA in finance... which obviously, doesn't mean anything in terms of understanding consequences when it comes to spending and income.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on November 30, 2016, 02:59:13 PM
If only all degree courses required an introductory course in Basic Causality and a final year module in the Bleeding Obvious.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on November 30, 2016, 05:39:09 PM
If only all degree courses required an introductory course in Basic Causality and a final year module in the Bleeding Obvious.

With remedial facepunching available free of charge.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mrcheese on November 30, 2016, 07:45:20 PM
If only all degree courses required an introductory course in Basic Causality and a final year module in the Bleeding Obvious.
where's a 'like' button when you need one? :)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: SeaEhm on November 30, 2016, 08:22:14 PM

Story #2:
We moved into an area that I suspect has many people who wish to appear wealthier than they actually are. The sub recently took over HOA administration from the developer and the first meeting was an eye opener. They wanted to raise HOA fees because there wasn't enough coming in to support the budget. I asked how they knew this since the budget had a list of unknowns like the water bill or electricity for the subdivision lights. I also pointed out that perhaps the expenditures of $2,000 for holiday decorations and $1,500 for community events were areas that could be reduced to lessen the need for an increase.

The answers were vague and basically relied on the fact that other HOA's pay more like the one across the street. People in the audience chimed in that they appreciated how cheap the HOA was. I wanted to point out that our old HOA one town over did more with 1/3 the assessment and that paying more just because someone else does is a poor excuse. I also wanted to point out that the houses in the HOA across the street also cost more. But we were new, the increase wasn't that substantial and it was clear I would be outvoted so I let it drop.

On the community facebook page is filled with people asking for recommendations on what company to hire to put up christmas lights or asking recommendations on what expensive designer dog to get.

Fast forward to the recent HOA meeting and the same person who was asking about companies to hang up christmas lights was complaining they might not have enough money to pay the HOA increase. Their Christmas light look quite nice though.

During this same meeting the topic of landscaping was brought up. The HOA rules require that 1 new tree of at least 5' in height or some specified inches in trunk size be planted within 1 year after the house is first occupied. One of the owners of the last completed houses (Sub was started in 2012) stood up and complained that since her husband was out of work she needed an extension because there was no way they could afford to hire landscapers to do that because they want over $500 to do the work.

I thought I was being helpful when I replied that "The fall tree sales have started so he could take his truck to Nursery X and get a tree that fulfilled the requirements for $75-100." She looked at me like I had tentacles growing out of my face.

So sure he could have some other reason not to do that but I see him washing his truck every other day and carrying large bags of charcoal to his large new 4 burner stove and smoker set he got this summer. (while he was supposedly out of work)

So what are you writing in your bio when you run for the HOA board?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Making Cookies on December 01, 2016, 07:29:46 AM
I heard a noise from next door and when I looked out the window, I saw a man vacuuming the neighbor's lawn with a lawn vacuum.

I have twice as many leaves as them (which isn't a ton) and I just mulch-mow mine.

I can't wrap my head around the idea of paying someone to vacuum your lawn, which appeared to take three times as long as raking it and infinity times as long as simply mowing over the leaves.

Then I noticed that this lawn vacuum is becoming increasingly popular in my neighborhood. I can't believe that someone actually invented a vacuum for your lawn and that my ridiculous neighbors thought that vacuuming their lawns was a good idea.

I have vacuumed my neighbors lawn... but it was because non-degrading construction supplies from my remodel blew all over their nicely manicured lawn. And I did feel at least as stupid as I looked - I'd love to see what a lawn vacuum looks like though. Probably would have been faster than crawling around with my shop vac.

I have a "lawn vacuum". Looks like a 4x4 pushmower (no blade underneath so you see empty space). It bags leaves. Or I can put the chute on the back and it honestly is the best leaf blower I've ever used. I don't bag b/c with the number of leaves we have - the bag fills up in two passes of my small yard. Make sure the leaves are dry-ish or they will clog. I think mowing/mulching before vacuuming is worthwhile. It was a $350 machine that I got for about $150 on sale.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Chris22 on December 01, 2016, 07:37:18 AM
I heard a noise from next door and when I looked out the window, I saw a man vacuuming the neighbor's lawn with a lawn vacuum.

I have twice as many leaves as them (which isn't a ton) and I just mulch-mow mine.

I can't wrap my head around the idea of paying someone to vacuum your lawn, which appeared to take three times as long as raking it and infinity times as long as simply mowing over the leaves.

Then I noticed that this lawn vacuum is becoming increasingly popular in my neighborhood. I can't believe that someone actually invented a vacuum for your lawn and that my ridiculous neighbors thought that vacuuming their lawns was a good idea.

I have vacuumed my neighbors lawn... but it was because non-degrading construction supplies from my remodel blew all over their nicely manicured lawn. And I did feel at least as stupid as I looked - I'd love to see what a lawn vacuum looks like though. Probably would have been faster than crawling around with my shop vac.

I have a "lawn vacuum". Looks like a 4x4 pushmower (no blade underneath so you see empty space). It bags leaves. Or I can put the chute on the back and it honestly is the best leaf blower I've ever used. I don't bag b/c with the number of leaves we have - the bag fills up in two passes of my small yard. Make sure the leaves are dry-ish or they will clog. I think mowing/mulching before vacuuming is worthwhile. It was a $350 machine that I got for about $150 on sale.

My grandpa had one when I was a kid, he bought it when he got too old to use a rake, bend over to pick leaves up, etc, but still wanted to work in his own yard and not pay a service. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Making Cookies on December 01, 2016, 08:03:10 AM
Rather than making fun of a $200 leaf machine, let's make fun of the guys mowing suburban yards with $10K+ ZTR mowers. ;)

Great machines for a business. Pointless for a single neighborhood yard. Where I live these can be as brag worthy for some guys as the big 4x4 diesel pickups they drive back and forth to work.

I don't care how they want to spend their money. I'll always be here if they want to complain how they are broke and the price of fuel for something thirsty. I'm a great audience and manage a pretty good poker face - most of the time... ;)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on December 01, 2016, 09:16:09 AM
Ha-ha... my leaf blower (which has a suction system and bag attachment) also mulches and sucks up leaves. And it was free: my company gives gifts on significant service anniversaries and this was what I picked out for mine. Every time I vacuum up the leaves I get off on the fact that this wonderful labor-saving device cost me nothing. I was putting in the hours anyway.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: boarder42 on December 01, 2016, 09:30:30 AM
Ha-ha... my leaf blower (which has a suction system and bag attachment) also mulches and sucks up leaves. And it was free: my company gives gifts on significant service anniversaries and this was what I picked out for mine. Every time I vacuum up the leaves I get off on the fact that this wonderful labor-saving device cost me nothing. I was putting in the hours anyway.

well what were the other options and could it have just been flipped for cash?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on December 01, 2016, 09:54:59 AM
Ha-ha... my leaf blower (which has a suction system and bag attachment) also mulches and sucks up leaves. And it was free: my company gives gifts on significant service anniversaries and this was what I picked out for mine. Every time I vacuum up the leaves I get off on the fact that this wonderful labor-saving device cost me nothing. I was putting in the hours anyway.

well what were the other options and could it have just been flipped for cash?

The other options included various camping toys, jewelry, and other stuff that didn't interest me. In theory I could have sold the leaf blower for cash, but in practice the $40 or so it was worth retail would have taken me two to three hours to get. Instead, I turn what used to be a 4-hour job into a 1-hour job three or four times a year. (I live on the corner of the street, and all my neighbors' leaves end up in my front yard because of how the wind blows.)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Cpa Cat on December 01, 2016, 10:19:36 AM
Rather than making fun of a $200 leaf machine, let's make fun of the guys mowing suburban yards with $10K+ ZTR mowers. ;)

Great machines for a business. Pointless for a single neighborhood yard. Where I live these can be as brag worthy for some guys as the big 4x4 diesel pickups they drive back and forth to work.

I don't care how they want to spend their money. I'll always be here if they want to complain how they are broke and the price of fuel for something thirsty. I'm a great audience and manage a pretty good poker face - most of the time... ;)

This is half my neighborhood. It's one of those fancy pants neighborhoods where most people have nice lawns.

It's broken down like this:
10% mow and make a rudimentary effort to care for their lawn, but clearly don't care.
40% hire someone to mow/vacuum their leaves
30% clearly enjoy buying lawn tools and using them, including giant riding mowers that they ride around seemingly for fun.
20% are obsessed with their lawns like it's the third person in their polygamous marriages. These people (all men) are like Hank Hill from King of the Hill. Sometimes I feel like I'm going to look over at them and see them on their knees, kissing their precious grass. Their lawns deserve only the best! They have the best lawn tractors, the best weed whackers, leaf blowers, and out of jealousy, the leaf vacuum is making more frequent appearances. Where do they even keep these tools? There are already three giant vehicles in their garages!

There's one guy who first mows his lawn with a push mower - bagging his lawn clippings as he goes, stopping every ten minutes to dump them. Then he mows with his lawn tractor - sometimes twice. Then he weed whacks. Then he blows the lawn area with his leaf blower (WHY? YOU ALREADY BAGGED YOUR LAWN CLIPPINGS! WHAT ARE YOU BLOWING?!?!). The best part is that he does like multiple times a week. The grass doesn't grow that fast!! Sometimes I just want to yell at him: "You missed a spot!" just to F--- with his head.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: bebegirl on December 01, 2016, 01:24:06 PM
The best part is that he does like multiple times a week. The grass doesn't grow that fast!! Sometimes I just want to yell at him: "You missed a spot!" just to F--- with his head.

He probably has obsessive compulsive disorder.. ))
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: katstache92 on December 01, 2016, 01:37:29 PM
I live in a condo community and a group of us is pretty friendly.  I go to the board meetings.  One of the frequent topics of conversation is that no trucks are allowed to be parked in driveways.  So people buy a condo and then find out they can't park their giant truck in their driveway and it won't fit in their garage.  Nevermind it was in the paperwork before they actually bought the place.  During one of these discussions one of the ladies on the board said, "ugh, people should be ashamed of some of the cars they have around here."  I haven't seen a single car that I would consider embarrassing.  I kind of wish I had kept my rusty, multicolored 1990 Honda Accord so I could park it in the driveway.

I moved into my unit in November and the next June or July one of the people in the friendly group told me I needed to buy some furniture for my deck so it looked like someone lives there.  I told her I was waiting until there was something on sale after the summer (I had a chair that wasn't suitable to all weather, but I would take it out on my deck when I needed it and then bring it back in.)  She told me I was a money bags.  Lol, guess I'm not good at hiding my mustache?  I'm also not sure that the hammock stand I ended up with was what she had in mind, but I love it!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: zephyr911 on December 01, 2016, 01:43:52 PM

A fellow mustachian neighbour and us have a running bet on when the above neighbour will be broke again, because really...it's just a matter of time!!!

It's ironic, but unsurprising if you think about it, that those most in need of this kind of potentially life-changing cash infusion are the least likely to benefit from it in the long run. They got themselves where they were through a series of choices. The windfall relieved them of the consequences of said choices. Not only does this eliminate the immediate need for any kind of habit change, it actually reduces their incentive to be responsible. Why would they do anything but start spending even more?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: exterous on December 02, 2016, 08:11:04 AM
I have two but the first one is about us because its only fair and I can only imagine what our neighbors think about us.

Story #1:
There are few things in life that will cause my wife and I to fight more than moving ourselves. We've been together a long time and have done many moves but have yet to figure out how to not fight during a move other than perhaps the 'Pay someone else to do it all' model. Well we looked at doing that this last time, saw the price and both agreed that we would do it ourselves and just fight on the day we were moving.
*snip*

That is the most literal "agree to disagree" I have ever seen.

Ha. Right? Is that mustachian, or cheap? Either way I like the 'Let's compromise and just fight all the time".

I vote mustachian but I'm biased. There's usually at least one situation like the old man waving that we laugh about later.

It was at this moment that my wife, oblivious to the man, comes over and starts yelling at me and dropping F-bombs. The man puts his hand down, turns around and walks quickly away. He probably wonders how we are still married.
Maybe it's the reason you're still married. You gotta let out some steam every once in a while :D

And its pretty easy to figure out how we feel about something :)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: boarder42 on December 02, 2016, 01:02:59 PM
The best part is that he does like multiple times a week. The grass doesn't grow that fast!! Sometimes I just want to yell at him: "You missed a spot!" just to F--- with his head.

He probably has obsessive compulsive disorder.. ))

or hates being inside with his family so its an escape
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: AlanStache on December 05, 2016, 06:44:53 AM
The best part is that he does like multiple times a week. The grass doesn't grow that fast!! Sometimes I just want to yell at him: "You missed a spot!" just to F--- with his head.

He probably has obsessive compulsive disorder.. ))

or hates being inside with his family so its an escape

Or it is a hobby he enjoys, people do weird things.  Would it be better if he went to a pub and stood 7' 9.25" from a wall and flicked metal tipped plastic things at a circle? 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Renegade23 on December 05, 2016, 09:30:20 AM

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I for one shut all of the doors upstairs and have the vents in the rooms that are frequently unused shut to be more efficient.
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That is really bad for the A/C unit. They are designed for a certain level of pressure and closing vents increases that pressure in the ducts and causes the unit to work harder and burn out faster.

I used to do it and researched it, I immediately opened my vents up. The electrical savings are not worth my unit lasting 1/2 as long.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kitsune on December 05, 2016, 10:26:00 AM


I for one shut all of the doors upstairs and have the vents in the rooms that are frequently unused shut to be more efficient.
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That is really bad for the A/C unit. They are designed for a certain level of pressure and closing vents increases that pressure in the ducts and causes the unit to work harder and burn out faster.

I used to do it and researched it, I immediately opened my vents up. The electrical savings are not worth my unit lasting 1/2 as long.
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Depends on the space, no?

Say you've got a 3k sq ft house, and you close off one room that's... 140sq ft. The pressure difference isn't large enough to make a difference, I wouldn't think. Whereas cutting off a whole floor (or say 1000sq ft) would totally have an impact.

(In our case, it's a moot point - the rooms we don't want to heat are in the basement, and the wood stove is on the main floor, so heat distribution going up means that happens naturally. The electric furnace is a back-up for when we leave the house, and is rarely used.)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Renegade23 on December 05, 2016, 12:01:08 PM


I for one shut all of the doors upstairs and have the vents in the rooms that are frequently unused shut to be more efficient.

That is really bad for the A/C unit. They are designed for a certain level of pressure and closing vents increases that pressure in the ducts and causes the unit to work harder and burn out faster.

I used to do it and researched it, I immediately opened my vents up. The electrical savings are not worth my unit lasting 1/2 as long.
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Depends on the space, no?

Say you've got a 3k sq ft house, and you close off one room that's... 140sq ft. The pressure difference isn't large enough to make a difference, I wouldn't think. Whereas cutting off a whole floor (or say 1000sq ft) would totally have an impact.

(In our case, it's a moot point - the rooms we don't want to heat are in the basement, and the wood stove is on the main floor, so heat distribution going up means that happens naturally. The electric furnace is a back-up for when we leave the house, and is rarely used.)
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With a wood stove I doubt it'd make much of a difference either way. Just don't do it with an electrical unit if you can get away with it. I'm not a subject matter expert though, I just googled and stopped doing it after the research.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Joggernot on December 06, 2016, 02:06:55 PM
Daughter (28) of a neighbor is going to buy a house with her boyfriend.  They each make about $32k; drink like fishes; and spend on whatever comes by.  The house they have chosen is a new house they will build on the largest lot in the newest subdivision.  Cost will be $230k plus the cost of the lot, but I expect it to go up from there.  There are lots of excellent remodeled homes in the $170k range that they could buy and modify, but they insist on new.  This will be a two-story, 3000 sq. ft. home with his Man Cave, two master bedrooms, another guest bedroom, and space for four vehicles.  She says “he has two cars, so I get two cars!”  They are planning on spending another $30k just for new furniture for the living room and dining room because what they have “isn’t good enough”.  She used his money to pay off her credit cards so they could apply for the house loan.

Sorry, but I just don’t understand this thinking.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MgoSam on December 06, 2016, 02:38:07 PM

Sorry, but I just don’t understand this thinking.

No need to apologize, and I hope you don't spend a lot of time trying to understanding their reasoning (or lack thereof).

I can't imagine spending $30k on new furniture, even if I had nothing and needed to make my house look good. But then again, I took hand-me-down couches and got an employee to make me a coffee table (on company time) so I guess I'm not the go-to guy when it comes to furniture.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: FIREby35 on December 06, 2016, 04:06:06 PM

Sorry, but I just don’t understand this thinking.

No need to apologize, and I hope you don't spend a lot of time trying to understanding their reasoning (or lack thereof).

I can't imagine spending $30k on new furniture, even if I had nothing and needed to make my house look good. But then again, I took hand-me-down couches and got an employee to make me a coffee table (on company time) so I guess I'm not the go-to guy when it comes to furniture.

Funny you should say that. I have a neighbor that is moving out of our neighborhood to a new (bigger) home. They were telling us about the bargain the got on a new table for 3k and all the various assorted other furniture. I don't know if it will hit 30k. But if the 3k table is a deal then who knows....
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: With This Herring on December 06, 2016, 05:26:13 PM
Daughter (28) of a neighbor is going to buy a house with her boyfriend.  They each make about $32k; drink like fishes; and spend on whatever comes by.  The house they have chosen is a new house they will build on the largest lot in the newest subdivision.  Cost will be $230k plus the cost of the lot, but I expect it to go up from there.  There are lots of excellent remodeled homes in the $170k range that they could buy and modify, but they insist on new.  This will be a two-story, 3000 sq. ft. home with his Man Cave, two master bedrooms, another guest bedroom, and space for four vehicles.  She says “he has two cars, so I get two cars!”  They are planning on spending another $30k just for new furniture for the living room and dining room because what they have “isn’t good enough”.  She used his money to pay off her credit cards so they could apply for the house loan.

Sorry, but I just don’t understand this thinking.

TWO master bedrooms?!  WHY?!

And what bank is going to give them a mortgage for that kind of money with earnings at that level?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Joggernot on December 06, 2016, 06:08:18 PM
Daughter (28) of a neighbor is going to buy a house with her boyfriend.  They each make about $32k; drink like fishes; and spend on whatever comes by.  The house they have chosen is a new house they will build on the largest lot in the newest subdivision.  Cost will be $230k plus the cost of the lot, but I expect it to go up from there.  There are lots of excellent remodeled homes in the $170k range that they could buy and modify, but they insist on new.  This will be a two-story, 3000 sq. ft. home with his Man Cave, two master bedrooms, another guest bedroom, and space for four vehicles.  She says “he has two cars, so I get two cars!”  They are planning on spending another $30k just for new furniture for the living room and dining room because what they have “isn’t good enough”.  She used his money to pay off her credit cards so they could apply for the house loan.

Sorry, but I just don’t understand this thinking.

TWO master bedrooms?!  WHY?!

And what bank is going to give them a mortgage for that kind of money with earnings at that level?
One master bedroom downstairs in case her Mother comes to visit someday.  Mom can't climb stairs.  One upstairs for them.  It will be a VA loan from his service in the Marines.  Don't know the bank.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on December 06, 2016, 08:22:12 PM
My neighbors make a habit of leaving there gate open and unlatched.  Who does that?

My neighbor does.  The only reason my gates are closed is because I have a small dog I'm keeping fenced in when he's back there.  My neighbor has no dog.

My parents old neighbor used to.

He was a farmer. Had a huge bull with like 3-ft-long horns who would escape through the 'oops, forgot that!' open gate on a weekly basis.

Fortunately, this guy was a freakin' LEGEND - my mom had to call me in late to highschool a few times, and all she had to say was 'well, Ben got loose and is between us and the car' and the secretary was like 'oh god stay put just come in when he decides to leave'.

There are some advantages to city life, you guys. ;)

I have no animals but latching a gate is like turning the lights off when you leave or turning the water off when done, it is just what you do. :-)
Interesting. Never heard this view. Must all doors in your house be shut too?  I generally leave all bedroom doors open during the day when no one is in them, but I may have to rethink that!

Don't forget to put the gimp back in his cage
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on December 06, 2016, 08:26:16 PM
I heard a noise from next door and when I looked out the window, I saw a man vacuuming the neighbor's lawn with a lawn vacuum.

I have twice as many leaves as them (which isn't a ton) and I just mulch-mow mine.

I can't wrap my head around the idea of paying someone to vacuum your lawn, which appeared to take three times as long as raking it and infinity times as long as simply mowing over the leaves.

Then I noticed that this lawn vacuum is becoming increasingly popular in my neighborhood. I can't believe that someone actually invented a vacuum for your lawn and that my ridiculous neighbors thought that vacuuming their lawns was a good idea.

I just bought one of these for like $30.  It's an electric blower but it also vacuums/mulches.  But I already had a blower I got for free, so it's just for the mulching.

Thing is, my lawn only needs to be mowed like once every 2-4 weeks.  But I learned the hard way that the grass WILL die if I let the leaves sit there for that long. 

I don't mind mowing/mulching the leaves, but I feel bad burning all that gas in a very polluting engine type, and it doesn't seem to do a very good job.

I could rake, but for whatever reason that takes me like an hour, and in the fall leaves build up daily.  Maybe I just suck at raking.

So I got the vacuum.  Just got it today and really happy with the result.  It doesn't take up much space and when my free mower finally dies, I'll probably be able to replace it with a reel mower (that's not able to mulch leaves anyways)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Linea_Norway on December 07, 2016, 04:34:14 AM

Sorry, but I just don’t understand this thinking.

No need to apologize, and I hope you don't spend a lot of time trying to understanding their reasoning (or lack thereof).

I can't imagine spending $30k on new furniture, even if I had nothing and needed to make my house look good. But then again, I took hand-me-down couches and got an employee to make me a coffee table (on company time) so I guess I'm not the go-to guy when it comes to furniture.

Funny you should say that. I have a neighbor that is moving out of our neighborhood to a new (bigger) home. They were telling us about the bargain the got on a new table for 3k and all the various assorted other furniture. I don't know if it will hit 30k. But if the 3k table is a deal then who knows....

Many years ago when we moved from a small apartment to a big house, we filled it up with second hand furniture bought on a flea market. In our current house we needed 2 more furniture items that I bought second hand from an equivalent to Craig's list, as well as a combi oven/microwave. We also recently replace the dining room table and chairs with second hand newer furniture. But we did once invest in a new sofa and chairs, although nowhere near 30k.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Making Cookies on December 07, 2016, 07:41:14 AM
We bought a cheap couch and tables for the front room years ago. Looked nice, knew they weren't future heirlooms.

We have kids and critters - and knew the furniture would live a hard, short life. And it has. Finish is wearing through on one top. We might upgrade someday.

I can't imagine having a house full of furniture that you had to "protect" from the kids and critters. There are other things I want to worry more about than expensive furniture.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: former player on December 07, 2016, 09:16:14 AM
If I were spending $30k on furniture (fat chance, and I'm both already FIREd and have much more than that at my disposal) I'd be looking at the catalogues for Christies and Sotheby's and Bonhams and so on and putting together a collection of some seriously nice art and antiques.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: auntie_betty on December 11, 2016, 12:20:41 PM
Posting to follow but I have normal neighbours :(
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MrsPete on December 12, 2016, 08:04:27 AM
On the community facebook page is filled with people asking for recommendations on what company
You can pay people to hang you Christmas lights?  Wow, I am out of touch. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kitsune on December 12, 2016, 08:11:39 AM
On the community facebook page is filled with people asking for recommendations on what company
You can pay people to hang you Christmas lights?  Wow, I am out of touch.

Well, I mean, you can hire someone to do pretty much any odd job that needs doing.

But the idea that there are companies specializing in this stuff is kinda out there.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Chris22 on December 12, 2016, 08:18:29 AM
On the community facebook page is filled with people asking for recommendations on what company
You can pay people to hang you Christmas lights?  Wow, I am out of touch.

Well, I mean, you can hire someone to do pretty much any odd job that needs doing.

But the idea that there are companies specializing in this stuff is kinda out there.

I'm guessing it's either A) enterprising individuals renting equipment and doing it as a side gig or B) some other type of company that has the high-lift equipment and a slow schedule in the winter so they diversified.  You've got to appreciate the hustle. 

Honestly, while I'd never pay someone to decorate my house (given all we do is a tree in the picture window and a wreath on the door) the types of houses around here that DO pay are generally 2-3 story houses that pay someone with a lift to decorate high up on the house and/or very large trees.  I can see not wanting to DIY that.  I can't see paying to have it done.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kitsune on December 12, 2016, 08:23:18 AM
On the community facebook page is filled with people asking for recommendations on what company
You can pay people to hang you Christmas lights?  Wow, I am out of touch.

Well, I mean, you can hire someone to do pretty much any odd job that needs doing.

But the idea that there are companies specializing in this stuff is kinda out there.

I'm guessing it's either A) enterprising individuals renting equipment and doing it as a side gig or B) some other type of company that has the high-lift equipment and a slow schedule in the winter so they diversified.  You've got to appreciate the hustle. 

Honestly, while I'd never pay someone to decorate my house (given all we do is a tree in the picture window and a wreath on the door) the types of houses around here that DO pay are generally 2-3 story houses that pay someone with a lift to decorate high up on the house and/or very large trees.  I can see not wanting to DIY that.  I can't see paying to have it done.

Yep. I have a large-ish colonial style house. I'm more and more appreciative of the colonial holiday look of putting wreaths/bows inside the windows and then some candles (led...) in the bottom of the window. NIce, festive, affordable, and put up inside without the help of a ladder. ;) we put up lights on the porch, but that's it.

And I totally appreciate the hustle! Great short-term seasonal gig, rock it! But the idea that there's enough business to support the hustle is kind of boggling.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Uturn on December 12, 2016, 08:45:34 AM
Well, I mean, you can hire someone to do pretty much any odd job that needs doing.

But the idea that there are companies specializing in this stuff is kinda out there.

I know a landscaper that does Christmas lights.  It keeps his crew working during slow months and revenue flowing.  Hangs the lights in December, takes them down in January.  He says that he actually makes more doing Christmas lights than he does mowing grass. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on December 13, 2016, 07:13:37 AM
Well, I mean, you can hire someone to do pretty much any odd job that needs doing.

But the idea that there are companies specializing in this stuff is kinda out there.

I know a landscaper that does Christmas lights.  It keeps his crew working during slow months and revenue flowing.  Hangs the lights in December, takes them down in January.  He says that he actually makes more doing Christmas lights than he does mowing grass.

And usually (at least in my area) the companies have all the supplies - they use their own lights, hangers, cords, etc, and when they take it down they also store it for the summer. So for someone who doesn't like the clutter, it can make a kind of sense.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mamagoose on December 13, 2016, 07:21:31 AM
Well, I mean, you can hire someone to do pretty much any odd job that needs doing.

But the idea that there are companies specializing in this stuff is kinda out there.

I know a landscaper that does Christmas lights.  It keeps his crew working during slow months and revenue flowing.  Hangs the lights in December, takes them down in January.  He says that he actually makes more doing Christmas lights than he does mowing grass.

This sounds like a great idea for a teenager looking for work over the Christmas break.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kitsune on December 13, 2016, 08:37:32 AM
Well, I mean, you can hire someone to do pretty much any odd job that needs doing.

But the idea that there are companies specializing in this stuff is kinda out there.

I know a landscaper that does Christmas lights.  It keeps his crew working during slow months and revenue flowing.  Hangs the lights in December, takes them down in January.  He says that he actually makes more doing Christmas lights than he does mowing grass.

This sounds like a great idea for a teenager looking for work over the Christmas break.

Not actually though - lights go up in early December - right in the middle of finals and final essays.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: infogoon on December 13, 2016, 08:38:07 AM
Well, I mean, you can hire someone to do pretty much any odd job that needs doing.

But the idea that there are companies specializing in this stuff is kinda out there.

I know a landscaper that does Christmas lights.  It keeps his crew working during slow months and revenue flowing.  Hangs the lights in December, takes them down in January.  He says that he actually makes more doing Christmas lights than he does mowing grass.

That's a great idea. I know a couple of landscapers who do snow plowing in the winter, but for Christmas decorating your profit margin is unaffected by the amount of snow that falls.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Cookie78 on December 13, 2016, 09:32:19 AM
We bought a cheap couch and tables for the front room years ago. Looked nice, knew they weren't future heirlooms.

We have kids and critters - and knew the furniture would live a hard, short life. And it has. Finish is wearing through on one top. We might upgrade someday.

I can't imagine having a house full of furniture that you had to "protect" from the kids and critters. There are other things I want to worry more about than expensive furniture.

Agreed

Foster dog chews on wooden arm of cheap moving sale futon: care level = 2 out of 100. Maybe I'll sand it some day so it's not so obviously chewed. I'm more concerned about teaching her not to chew on things that aren't toys so she is more successful in her new home than I am about the furniture.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Hunny156 on December 13, 2016, 11:37:23 AM
Yes, here in Central TX, pretty much all the landscapers do the holiday lights hustle, and from what I've heard from neighbors, it is NOT cheap.  Estimates of $1K or more are to be expected, and all they do is what we refer to as "runway lights".  You can tell which houses pay for the service, they all have the same string of white bulbs perfectly attached to the roof lines of the house.  It really does look like a runway!

Many of the services will now also offer take down and storage service, and they provide the lights too; probably helps with repeat business.

OK, so here's my neighbor contribution.  My old neighborhood, our lovely next door neighbors.  Hubby has some medical issues, so I can tell he can see the value in being frugal.  He was always interested in our side hustles and our aggressive FIRE plan.  Wife would seem bored.  One time, he looked hopefully at his wife and asked her "Honey, when will we be starting our early retirement savings plan?"  Her response was quick and cool.  "But we like to buy things, dear!"  Ouch.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Reynold on December 13, 2016, 11:53:35 AM
Honestly, while I'd never pay someone to decorate my house (given all we do is a tree in the picture window and a wreath on the door) the types of houses around here that DO pay are generally 2-3 story houses that pay someone with a lift to decorate high up on the house and/or very large trees.  I can see not wanting to DIY that.  I can't see paying to have it done.

I visited a family friend in Florida in a newer subdivision specializing in custom mini-McMansions for retirees, and saw a lot of that.  Most of the trees to decorate are palm trees, which are hard and somewhat dangerous to do with just a ladder (no branches, smooth, round trunk) so they hire people with cherry pickers to do the decorating.  Which I would absolutely do if I was older and wanted nice decorations and had money.  I fail on #2, I'm not that fanatic about decorations, but I like seeing the ones other people put up, so I'm getting my money's worth at least.  :)

On the neighbors front, I live in a townhouse, and across the street is a townhouse with 3 drivers (2 parents, 1 older daughter) with 5 cars.  Since the garage is full, and the driveway only holds 2 cars, the other three get parked on the street, usually violating the rule about not parking opposite other people's driveways, like everyone else does on the street.  On the bright side, I was able to show people at work pictures of their Tesla and say "Hey, look what's parked at the end of *my* driveway now.  OK, not actually IN my driveway, admittedly. . . "  :) 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on December 13, 2016, 12:07:46 PM
There's a guy near me who lights up a really tall redwood every year (50 ft? 75?).  I just saw his cherry picker rental this year.  I had assumed he left the lights up (they would not be highly visible in the tree but apparently he rents it every year.  Ouch that's gotta add up.  These days you can get quality leds that never need to be replaced
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on December 13, 2016, 02:36:57 PM
There's a guy near me who lights up a really tall redwood every year (50 ft? 75?).  I just saw his cherry picker rental this year.  I had assumed he left the lights up (they would not be highly visible in the tree but apparently he rents it every year.  Ouch that's gotta add up.  These days you can get quality leds that never need to be replaced

Right? For probably the price of one year of rental he could have the lights, a set of gaffs and a harness - after the first year running the cord would probably take less time than making the scheduling phone call and explaining what he wanted to the company.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BTDretire on December 14, 2016, 09:24:29 AM
On the community facebook page is filled with people asking for recommendations on what company
You can pay people to hang you Christmas lights?  Wow, I am out of touch.

 I live in a Fl. neighborhood with abut 100 houses. About 15 have their Christmas lights up.
I have this idea to have printed a bunch of colorful awards saying the Christmas committee for "Such and Such"
subdivision has awarded you second place, Congratulations!
We encourage you to try a little harder next year as you were so close to receiving the First place award.
 Is that evil? :-)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Khaetra on December 14, 2016, 09:32:23 AM
On the community facebook page is filled with people asking for recommendations on what company
You can pay people to hang you Christmas lights?  Wow, I am out of touch.

 I live in a Fl. neighborhood with abut 100 houses. About 15 have their Christmas lights up.
I have this idea to have printed a bunch of colorful awards saying the Christmas committee for "Such and Such"
subdivision has awarded you second place, Congratulations!
We encourage you to try a little harder next year as you were so close to receiving the First place award.
 Is that evil? :-)

A subdivision a few streets over from me actually does hold a contest like this!  The funny thing is the couple same houses win every year because they are the only ones who bother to even put lights up :).
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BFGirl on December 14, 2016, 10:01:08 AM
On the community facebook page is filled with people asking for recommendations on what company
You can pay people to hang you Christmas lights?  Wow, I am out of touch.

 I live in a Fl. neighborhood with abut 100 houses. About 15 have their Christmas lights up.
I have this idea to have printed a bunch of colorful awards saying the Christmas committee for "Such and Such"
subdivision has awarded you second place, Congratulations!
We encourage you to try a little harder next year as you were so close to receiving the First place award.
 Is that evil? :-)

A subdivision a few streets over from me actually does hold a contest like this!  The funny thing is the couple same houses win every year because they are the only ones who bother to even put lights up :).

My subdivision does this and I know of people who have paid over $1K to have their lights put up and taken down.  They look pretty, but it's not worth it to me.  I put out some lights and decorations and decorate my front window, but I don't want to do anymore or store the extra stuff.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BTDretire on December 14, 2016, 10:37:33 AM

 I live in a Fl. neighborhood with abut 100 houses. About 15 have their Christmas lights up.
I have this idea to have printed a bunch of colorful awards saying the Christmas committee for "Such and Such"
subdivision has awarded you second place, Congratulations!
We encourage you to try a little harder next year as you were so close to receiving the First place award.
 Is that evil? :-)

A subdivision a few streets over from me actually does hold a contest like this!  The funny thing is the couple same houses win every year because they are the only ones who bother to even put lights up :).

My subdivision does this and I know of people who have paid over $1K to have their lights put up and taken down.  They look pretty, but it's not worth it to me.  I put out some lights and decorations and decorate my front window, but I don't want to do anymore or store the extra stuff.
  I don't put up lights, I just think it would be funny having the decorators competing every year
and everyone always receiving second place.
  I'll try to get a picture of one house that is decorated to the 9s, it looks nice and would get first place if there was a contest.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on December 14, 2016, 02:58:58 PM
If you made a product that could be inconspicuously left up year round, that would be sweet.  I think you could do an ok job using those flat LED strips, but it wouldn't look as Christmassy as techno clubby unless the leds were spaced out more or given specific colors etc.  weather resistant attachment would be a problem

Never mind, :9'eone did it: https://www.ksl.com/?sid=37512228&nid=148

Would be a good option for people buying new homes if the tech can be integrated during construction.  "Save" thousands per year
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: LadyStache in Baja on December 14, 2016, 03:05:28 PM
It just totally defeats the purpose!!  Here in Mexico everyone's got maybe one string of lights.  No, not even everyone, a few people here and there.  Just one lonely tree with a sad string of lights.  Takes the pressure off!  But yeah, I do miss driving around and seeing all the lights.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: gimp on December 14, 2016, 05:23:22 PM
Interesting. Never heard this view. Must all doors in your house be shut too?  I generally leave all bedroom doors open during the day when no one is in them, but I may have to rethink that!

Don't forget to put the gimp back in his cage

Leave me alone.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: auntie_betty on December 15, 2016, 12:27:49 AM
Having said I was posting to follow, I've now remembered one. Second store names changed for US audience.

A group of neighbours were having a discussion about closets and whether we fold or hang various items. Focus was on levity as I'd confessed I fold my socks and underwear.

Neighbour 1. My daugthers have all their clothes hung in designer order. All the A&F, then Hollister, then Jack Wills and so on.
Collective response. ..............................silence............... then
Neighbour 2. Actually so do I. All the Target, then Walmart. And so on.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on December 15, 2016, 12:41:31 AM
Having said I was posting to follow, I've now remembered one. Second store names changed for US audience.

A group of neighbours were having a discussion about closets and whether we fold or hang various items. Focus was on levity as I'd confessed I fold my socks and underwear.

Neighbour 1. My daugthers have all their clothes hung in designer order. All the A&F, then Hollister, then Jack Wills and so on.
Collective response. ..............................silence............... then
Neighbour 2. Actually so do I. All the Target, then Walmart. And so on.

All the goodwill, all the Salvation Army, then comes the stuff I knit myself
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: marty998 on December 15, 2016, 01:13:48 AM
Having said I was posting to follow, I've now remembered one. Second store names changed for US audience.

A group of neighbours were having a discussion about closets and whether we fold or hang various items. Focus was on levity as I'd confessed I fold my socks and underwear.

Neighbour 1. My daugthers have all their clothes hung in designer order. All the A&F, then Hollister, then Jack Wills and so on.
Collective response. ..............................silence............... then
Neighbour 2. Actually so do I. All the Target, then Walmart. And so on.

All the goodwill, all the Salvation Army, then comes the stuff I knit myself

What happened to your username dragoncar???
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on December 15, 2016, 03:38:17 AM
Having said I was posting to follow, I've now remembered one. Second store names changed for US audience.

A group of neighbours were having a discussion about closets and whether we fold or hang various items. Focus was on levity as I'd confessed I fold my socks and underwear.

Neighbour 1. My daugthers have all their clothes hung in designer order. All the A&F, then Hollister, then Jack Wills and so on.
Collective response. ..............................silence............... then
Neighbour 2. Actually so do I. All the Target, then Walmart. And so on.

All the goodwill, all the Salvation Army, then comes the stuff I knit myself

What happened to your username dragoncar???

this isn't even my final form
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: With This Herring on December 15, 2016, 08:01:59 AM
I live in a Fl. neighborhood...
*snip*

I would like to point out that a capital letter i (eye) "I" and a lowercase letter L (ell) "l" are the same character with this forum's font.  So, I was really excited that your entire neighborhood had already achieved FIRE, but apparently you just live in Florida...


What happened to your username dragoncar???

this isn't even my final form

*gasp!*  If we give you a Moonstone when you hit level 50, will that do it?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: joleran on December 15, 2016, 12:40:49 PM
My subdivision does this and I know of people who have paid over $1K to have their lights put up and taken down.  They look pretty, but it's not worth it to me.  I put out some lights and decorations and decorate my front window, but I don't want to do anymore or store the extra stuff.

Where does the satisfaction come from?  I mean, $1k is a cheap European vacation...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Joggernot on December 15, 2016, 02:38:43 PM
Daughter (28) of a neighbor is going to buy a house with her boyfriend.  They each make about $32k; drink like fishes; and spend on whatever comes by.  The house they have chosen is a new house they will build on the largest lot in the newest subdivision.  Cost will be $230k plus the cost of the lot, but I expect it to go up from there.  There are lots of excellent remodeled homes in the $170k range that they could buy and modify, but they insist on new.  This will be a two-story, 3000 sq. ft. home with his Man Cave, two master bedrooms, another guest bedroom, and space for four vehicles.  She says “he has two cars, so I get two cars!”  They are planning on spending another $30k just for new furniture for the living room and dining room because what they have “isn’t good enough”.  She used his money to pay off her credit cards so they could apply for the house loan.

Sorry, but I just don’t understand this thinking.
This continues...The builder now says it will be $296k to build the house.  To their credit they decided to look elsewhere.  One works in town; the other works about 40 miles north of here.  They commute in separate SUVs.  So where are they looking?  In the only HCL area, which is 30 miles south of here.  So they are going to force an extra 60 miles a day for each of their commutes.  I mentioned this, but got blown off because they don't consider it a problem.  I continue to be boggled...  This will no doubt continue because I'm sure they won't be able to afford a house in the HCL.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Dave1442397 on December 16, 2016, 07:32:16 AM
This continues...The builder now says it will be $296k to build the house.  To their credit they decided to look elsewhere.  One works in town; the other works about 40 miles north of here.  They commute in separate SUVs.  So where are they looking?  In the only HCL area, which is 30 miles south of here.  So they are going to force an extra 60 miles a day for each of their commutes.  I mentioned this, but got blown off because they don't consider it a problem.  I continue to be boggled...  This will no doubt continue because I'm sure they won't be able to afford a house in the HCL.

I don't get that kind of thinking either, but people still do it.

 A co-worker has a set of in-laws who are clueless when it comes to finances. He doesn't know how much they make, but they qualify for those free government cellphones and a bunch of other free stuff.

They bought a house a couple of years ago and had trouble paying the mortgage. They never paid until the middle of the month, because they could get away with it.

They sold that house and bought another place in October of this year. They didn't have a mortgage payment in November, and then told their family that they didn't have the money to make the first mortgage payment in December.

We can't figure out how they get a loan in the first place, but somehow, they do.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BTDretire on December 16, 2016, 01:45:45 PM

 They commute in separate SUVs.  So where are they looking?  In the only HCL area, which is 30 miles south of here.  So they are going to force an extra 60 miles a day for each of their commutes.  I mentioned this, but got blown off because they don't consider it a problem.  I continue to be boggled... 
I live 2 miles from my work, 30 miles would be a big deal to me.
 You might suggest they take 5 business days and drive a 30 mile route to work and home.
If they say, they don't want to waste the gas, you can laugh!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BTDretire on December 16, 2016, 06:21:27 PM
  I don't put up lights, I just think it would be funny having the decorators competing every year
and everyone always receiving second place.
  I'll try to get a picture of one house that is decorated to the 9s, it looks nice and would get first place if there was a contest.
Here are the pictures.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on December 17, 2016, 07:28:05 AM
Please tell me they have them timed to blink and change with music...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BTDretire on December 17, 2016, 11:55:04 AM
Please tell me they have them timed to blink and change with music...

 Sorry no, but if they did, the wouldn't have has to settle for the second place award!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Playing with Fire UK on December 17, 2016, 03:39:17 PM
On the community facebook page is filled with people asking for recommendations on what company
You can pay people to hang you Christmas lights?  Wow, I am out of touch.

 I live in a Fl. neighborhood with abut 100 houses. About 15 have their Christmas lights up.
I have this idea to have printed a bunch of colorful awards saying the Christmas committee for "Such and Such"
subdivision has awarded you second place, Congratulations!
We encourage you to try a little harder next year as you were so close to receiving the First place award.
 Is that evil? :-)

Maybe instead of 'second place' just make it 'silver award'. Then if two people get chatting and both have a silver award it will take longer for them to work out that there is no gold award.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Playing with Fire UK on December 17, 2016, 03:43:31 PM
OK, so here's my neighbor contribution.  My old neighborhood, our lovely next door neighbors.  Hubby has some medical issues, so I can tell he can see the value in being frugal.  He was always interested in our side hustles and our aggressive FIRE plan.  Wife would seem bored.  One time, he looked hopefully at his wife and asked her "Honey, when will we be starting our early retirement savings plan?"  Her response was quick and cool.  "But we like to buy things, dear!"  Ouch.

Wow, I particularly like that there is no grey in this: buying things or savings plan. Pick one and only one.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BlueHouse on December 18, 2016, 07:16:25 PM

 They commute in separate SUVs.  So where are they looking?  In the only HCL area, which is 30 miles south of here.  So they are going to force an extra 60 miles a day for each of their commutes.  I mentioned this, but got blown off because they don't consider it a problem.  I continue to be boggled... 
I live 2 miles from my work, 30 miles would be a big deal to me.
 You might suggest they take 5 business days and drive a 30 mile route to work and home.
If they say, they don't want to waste the gas, you can laugh!

I'm thinking along the same lines.   Maybe because they are young they just don't realize what a drag it is to make that drive every single day - twice.  They probably only drive that far when they're going on a road trip somewhere fun. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kitsune on December 19, 2016, 07:19:34 AM

 They commute in separate SUVs.  So where are they looking?  In the only HCL area, which is 30 miles south of here.  So they are going to force an extra 60 miles a day for each of their commutes.  I mentioned this, but got blown off because they don't consider it a problem.  I continue to be boggled... 
I live 2 miles from my work, 30 miles would be a big deal to me.
 You might suggest they take 5 business days and drive a 30 mile route to work and home.
If they say, they don't want to waste the gas, you can laugh!

I'm thinking along the same lines.   Maybe because they are young they just don't realize what a drag it is to make that drive every single day - twice.  They probably only drive that far when they're going on a road trip somewhere fun.

60 miles a day EACH??? Like, not even intending to carpool?

Ok... look. I live 30 miles from work. Husband works less than a mile from where I do. So we both have partial work-from-home arrangements and we carpool in together 2-3 days per week (which, really, is a nice opportuity to spend an hour and a half that day chatting and planning stuff, so it's cool).

Commuting that 5 days/week in SEPARATE cars?? Gotta be nuts.

And frankly: we considered moving closer to the city... but country living has HUGE advantages for us (multiple acres of land, big house for the cost of a tiny city house, I look out my window and there are 2 houses between us and the horizon, we're next to a lake and can have chickens and rabbits and sheep and (eventually!) goats and an aquaponics set-up, large gardens and peace and quiet and we live super near family and everyone important to us, and, frankly, we leave here to go to work and do groceries on the way home and that's IT, it's where we actually want to be, we don't leave), which are worth the 120 miles/week. I can't imagine signing up for 2-3x that commute in order to leave near neighbors and need to go out to do anything anyway, wtf. If you're gonna sign up for living near people and not needing space to do everything you wanna do, at least do that near work!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Joggernot on December 19, 2016, 07:53:12 AM

 They commute in separate SUVs.  So where are they looking?  In the only HCL area, which is 30 miles south of here.  So they are going to force an extra 60 miles a day for each of their commutes.  I mentioned this, but got blown off because they don't consider it a problem.  I continue to be boggled... 
I live 2 miles from my work, 30 miles would be a big deal to me.
 You might suggest they take 5 business days and drive a 30 mile route to work and home.
If they say, they don't want to waste the gas, you can laugh!

I'm thinking along the same lines.   Maybe because they are young they just don't realize what a drag it is to make that drive every single day - twice.  They probably only drive that far when they're going on a road trip somewhere fun.

60 miles a day EACH??? Like, not even intending to carpool?

Ok... look. I live 30 miles from work. Husband works less than a mile from where I do. So we both have partial work-from-home arrangements and we carpool in together 2-3 days per week (which, really, is a nice opportuity to spend an hour and a half that day chatting and planning stuff, so it's cool).

Commuting that 5 days/week in SEPARATE cars?? Gotta be nuts.

And frankly: we considered moving closer to the city... but country living has HUGE advantages for us (multiple acres of land, big house for the cost of a tiny city house, I look out my window and there are 2 houses between us and the horizon, we're next to a lake and can have chickens and rabbits and sheep and (eventually!) goats and an aquaponics set-up, large gardens and peace and quiet and we live super near family and everyone important to us, and, frankly, we leave here to go to work and do groceries on the way home and that's IT, it's where we actually want to be, we don't leave), which are worth the 120 miles/week. I can't imagine signing up for 2-3x that commute in order to leave near neighbors and need to go out to do anything anyway, wtf. If you're gonna sign up for living near people and not needing space to do everything you wanna do, at least do that near work!
Ya gotta quote the whole thing.  Here's the whole quote.
This continues...The builder now says it will be $296k to build the house.  To their credit they decided to look elsewhere.  One works in town; the other works about 40 miles north of here.  They commute in separate SUVs.  So where are they looking?  In the only HCL area, which is 30 miles south of here.  So they are going to force an extra 60 miles a day for each of their commutes.  I mentioned this, but got blown off because they don't consider it a problem.  I continue to be boggled...  This will no doubt continue because I'm sure they won't be able to afford a house in the HCL.
Note that one works north of here and one works here.  Her current commute is ~15 minutes and will go to ~50 minutes.  His goes from ~50 minutes to ~80 minutes.  They can't carpool because they work different times and in different towns.  They aren't moving to the country, but are moving to our HCL area, so no country benefits, just more houses, and maybe some shopping.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kitsune on December 19, 2016, 08:49:34 AM

 They commute in separate SUVs.  So where are they looking?  In the only HCL area, which is 30 miles south of here.  So they are going to force an extra 60 miles a day for each of their commutes.  I mentioned this, but got blown off because they don't consider it a problem.  I continue to be boggled... 
I live 2 miles from my work, 30 miles would be a big deal to me.
 You might suggest they take 5 business days and drive a 30 mile route to work and home.
If they say, they don't want to waste the gas, you can laugh!

I'm thinking along the same lines.   Maybe because they are young they just don't realize what a drag it is to make that drive every single day - twice.  They probably only drive that far when they're going on a road trip somewhere fun.

60 miles a day EACH??? Like, not even intending to carpool?

Ok... look. I live 30 miles from work. Husband works less than a mile from where I do. So we both have partial work-from-home arrangements and we carpool in together 2-3 days per week (which, really, is a nice opportuity to spend an hour and a half that day chatting and planning stuff, so it's cool).

Commuting that 5 days/week in SEPARATE cars?? Gotta be nuts.

And frankly: we considered moving closer to the city... but country living has HUGE advantages for us (multiple acres of land, big house for the cost of a tiny city house, I look out my window and there are 2 houses between us and the horizon, we're next to a lake and can have chickens and rabbits and sheep and (eventually!) goats and an aquaponics set-up, large gardens and peace and quiet and we live super near family and everyone important to us, and, frankly, we leave here to go to work and do groceries on the way home and that's IT, it's where we actually want to be, we don't leave), which are worth the 120 miles/week. I can't imagine signing up for 2-3x that commute in order to leave near neighbors and need to go out to do anything anyway, wtf. If you're gonna sign up for living near people and not needing space to do everything you wanna do, at least do that near work!
Ya gotta quote the whole thing.  Here's the whole quote.
This continues...The builder now says it will be $296k to build the house.  To their credit they decided to look elsewhere.  One works in town; the other works about 40 miles north of here.  They commute in separate SUVs.  So where are they looking?  In the only HCL area, which is 30 miles south of here.  So they are going to force an extra 60 miles a day for each of their commutes.  I mentioned this, but got blown off because they don't consider it a problem.  I continue to be boggled...  This will no doubt continue because I'm sure they won't be able to afford a house in the HCL.
Note that one works north of here and one works here.  Her current commute is ~15 minutes and will go to ~50 minutes.  His goes from ~50 minutes to ~80 minutes.  They can't carpool because they work different times and in different towns.  They aren't moving to the country, but are moving to our HCL area, so no country benefits, just more houses, and maybe some shopping.

... some people just be nuts. Plain nuts.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Stachey on December 19, 2016, 03:58:02 PM
I used to work with a guy who was constantly bragging about how much house he was able to buy half an hour outside of town.  So with the traffic congestion his commute to work would be at least an hour one way.

But wait it gets better!  His wife worked about 7 city blocks away from where he did.  So what do you think they did...that's right...they each would drive gas guzzling trucks to work each day.

But wait it gets even better!  This oh so great community where he could buy a starter castle for half of what it would cost in the city had ZERO amenities.  No grocery store.  No schools.  Nothing.  I don't think it even had a gas station.  So these people had to drive constantly for every little thing. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kitsune on December 19, 2016, 05:19:23 PM
But wait it gets even better!  This oh so great community where he could buy a starter castle for half of what it would cost in the city had ZERO amenities.  No grocery store.  No schools.  Nothing.  I don't think it even had a gas station.  So these people had to drive constantly for every little thing.

Which is basically like where I live - nearest gas station and grocery store are 25km away, in the nearest town. The nearest actual city is 50km away, and is where we work.

So: you bike around the lake (to see friends/family/go swimming/go hiking/go to the canoe dock), and use a small gas-efficient car to go into the city twice a week (negotiate partial wfh arrangement - important!) and do groceries and get gas on the way home (no unnecessary trips, that shit wastes both time and gas). Then, you have a garden/fish/chickens/etc so that your grocery needs are minimal, you can fish out of that lake, spend a lot of time outside hiking and swimming and playing, and generally have a pretty great life. All it takes is some planning and liking solitude.

... I'm pretty sure that someone who drives a gas-guzzler 7 city blocks to work doesn't do that kind of life planning though.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: zephyr911 on December 21, 2016, 11:01:45 AM
This one is not comedy, but definitely shameful. Just across the street and down one door:

- One elderly woman I've never met, who owns the house.
- Her adult children, at least 2, possibly more... I've met one, around 50, who is nice enough, but said his family is full of addicts and crazy people. His sister has knocked over at least one mailbox while DUI on our street, and been taken away by both cops and EMTs at some point.
- At least one young couple around age 20, one of them (I'm assuming) being a grandchild... the girl is pregnant and recently was brought back from a party after she OD'd, so they could call 911 without implicating her friends.

This entire sad family is now being evicted and moving out, just days before Christmas, because someone bought the house at a tax auction for like $20K, and gave them the boot.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: AlanStache on December 22, 2016, 11:14:23 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/kYTDx1I.png)



Sorry man, I saw a big fat underhand-pitched softball and decided to swing for the fence.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Joggernot on December 22, 2016, 01:16:25 PM
Daughter (28) of a neighbor is going to buy a house with her boyfriend.  They each make about $32k; drink like fishes; and spend on whatever comes by.  The house they have chosen is a new house they will build on the largest lot in the newest subdivision.  Cost will be $230k plus the cost of the lot, but I expect it to go up from there.  There are lots of excellent remodeled homes in the $170k range that they could buy and modify, but they insist on new.  This will be a two-story, 3000 sq. ft. home with his Man Cave, two master bedrooms, another guest bedroom, and space for four vehicles.  She says “he has two cars, so I get two cars!”  They are planning on spending another $30k just for new furniture for the living room and dining room because what they have “isn’t good enough”.  She used his money to pay off her credit cards so they could apply for the house loan.

Sorry, but I just don’t understand this thinking.
This continues...The builder now says it will be $296k to build the house.  To their credit they decided to look elsewhere.  One works in town; the other works about 40 miles north of here.  They commute in separate SUVs.  So where are they looking?  In the only HCL area, which is 30 miles south of here.  So they are going to force an extra 60 miles a day for each of their commutes.  I mentioned this, but got blown off because they don't consider it a problem.  I continue to be boggled...  This will no doubt continue because I'm sure they won't be able to afford a house in the HCL.
Well, they bought the largest lot in the HCL that is 30 miles farther from each of their work locations.  I talked with her about the commute because she currently doesn't leave for work until 15 minutes before sign-in.  She doesn't think it will be so bad.  I don't believe she is even considering that she will lose 1.5 hours from her day just in the commute, let alone the $.54/mile cost of running her vehicle ($32+/day extra for each of them).  The house is currently slated to cost $230k to build plus the cost of the lot, but they are going to pick their options on Friday and get the final cost.  Update on Saturday, if I remember.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Warlord1986 on December 22, 2016, 01:32:18 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/kYTDx1I.png)



Sorry man, I saw a big fat underhand-pitched softball and decided to swing for the fence.

Sorry man, I lived in the largest city in Virginia for twenty-plus years. Shit like that goes down everyday. It's not unique to Alabama.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: AlanStache on December 22, 2016, 01:56:58 PM
...
Sorry man, I saw a big fat underhand-pitched softball and decided to swing for the fence.

Sorry man, I lived in the largest city in Virginia for twenty-plus years. Shit like that goes down everyday. It's not unique to Alabama.

Yep, people I last lived across the street from had 3 or 4 generations under one roof and nothing but raised SUV's with fancy rims and big TV's in every room.  I do very much live in the south, and there definitely are "Picard Facepalm" families in every state. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: chouchouu on December 22, 2016, 11:20:44 PM
I live in an apartment with some interesting neighbours. Last year an apartment was flipped and the new buyers bought it for over 200k more than it had sold for less than six months earlier. The only renovations had been painting, laminate flooring and a new kitchen, I'm guessing they own the Porsche parked in the garage. Another couple moved in upstairs and have a daughter the same age as my twins so we have arranged play dates. We went to a public water park last week and the daughter started crying when my daughters pulled out their packed lunch and she had to eat McDonalds instead since her mother doesn't pack lunches. The mother told me how they moved here because her husband didn't want her living close to a shopping centre since it "caused him a lot of problems!" When she "had to keep up with all the mothers from playgroup" He had once been amazed I walk to do the grocery shopping, which is ten minutes away. They have both boasted to me how they would only ever live in a penthouse. Her DH heads the strata and another tenant had brought a case against the strata for 10k damage to property caused by builders, so her DH hired a barrister to fight the case in the local court because he has a grudge against the other tenant who is actually very mustachian and retired although at least 20 years younger than the DH. I think it really annoys the penthouse dwellers that mr moustache spends half the year travelling around the world and the other half gardening and bicycling around the neighbourhood.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Playing with Fire UK on December 23, 2016, 12:00:33 AM
We went to a public water park last week and the daughter started crying when my daughters pulled out their packed lunch and she had to eat McDonalds instead since her mother doesn't pack lunches.

This is sad. How long before daughter is of an age to pack a lunch?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Playing with Fire UK on December 23, 2016, 12:03:32 AM
The mother told me how they moved here because her husband didn't want her living close to a shopping centre since it "caused him a lot of problems!" When she "had to keep up with all the mothers from playgroup"

Wait what?! Were these loan shark type problems. Does she not recognise that the issue doesn't reside solely in the head of the husband.

Had to. Haha. I choose to believe this was said in self-aware irony because anything else makes my head spin.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: chouchouu on December 23, 2016, 03:41:40 PM
The mother told me how they moved here because her husband didn't want her living close to a shopping centre since it "caused him a lot of problems!" When she "had to keep up with all the mothers from playgroup"

Wait what?! Were these loan shark type problems. Does she not recognise that the issue doesn't reside solely in the head of the husband.

Had to. Haha. I choose to believe this was said in self-aware irony because anything else makes my head spin.

She is really quite bizarre, she went on and on how rich the mothers were in her previous neighbourhood and how she spent so much shopping to make sure she could fit in. I just can't imagine it, who keeps tab on whether a baby has a new outfit each week? I didn't mention I actually used to live in her previous area and the richest people are as cheap as chips, so she was probably hanging around a bunch of nouveau riche insecure types who have to conspicuously consume to make themselves more class secure but I was definitely thinking it!

Her daughter is almost five so could probably make herself a sandwich but you need to have a lunch box to put it in, I'm guessing she'll probably be buying lunch next near when she starts school.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: ender on December 23, 2016, 03:53:03 PM
This makes me wonder what our neighbors think.

We bought a nice house (most expensive one on the block basically, best lot and everything) and a new car this year and are pretty obviously in our 20s.

lol.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on December 23, 2016, 04:55:15 PM


Her daughter is almost five so could probably make herself a sandwich but you need to have a lunch box to put it in, I'm guessing she'll probably be buying lunch next near when she starts school.

Five years is old enough to make your own box.  In some more advanced countries, children that age make cell phones!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Shalamar on December 28, 2016, 07:56:34 AM
Our new neighbour just moved in, then we got a blizzard, so my husband and I helped her shovel her driveway.   We learned that she's a divorced mother with one kid and three dogs.   Thing is, the house is huge for her - four bedrooms and three bathrooms.   Why on earth does she need that much space?   She said that she fell in love with the house, will be paying the mortgage for the next 20 years, and won't have it paid off until she's in her sixties.   Yike.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: boarder42 on December 28, 2016, 09:23:46 AM
This makes me wonder what our neighbors think.

We bought a nice house (most expensive one on the block basically, best lot and everything) and a new car this year and are pretty obviously in our 20s.

lol.

its how you spend your money not just how you save it. stretching dollars is a way not often spoken of around these parts.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: zolotiyeruki on December 28, 2016, 11:04:24 AM
Posting to follow.  I don't have any specific examples, but I occasionally see requests via the facebook and/or email group for recommendations for tradespeople to do fairly simple work, like recaulking a shower or bathtub, or fixing a leaky toilet.  On the other hand, I also see folks borrowing things (like high chairs or strollers) when they have family in town, and swapping coupons, so there's that.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Catbert on December 28, 2016, 03:50:45 PM
Posting to follow.  I don't have any specific examples, but I occasionally see requests via the facebook and/or email group for recommendations for tradespeople to do fairly simple work, like recaulking a shower or bathtub, or fixing a leaky toilet.  On the other hand, I also see folks borrowing things (like high chairs or strollers) when they have family in town, and swapping coupons, so there's that.

And they always want someone who will do it for a "reasonable price".
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: bigalsmith101 on December 28, 2016, 09:59:30 PM
This history is 20 years in the making. I grew up next to a married couple as neighbors my entire life. They were a constant fixture, and yet I had no idea of the calamity behind the scenes! After their sons moved out, it was just the two of them in the house for the last 20 years. They lived in a 3000sqft, 4bd 2.5 bath home on 2.25 acres, alone, until this month when they finally sold and moved. The wife was a home maker, the husband was well employed.

The house sold for $535k, and it was paid off, and so they downsized. Except, they didn't really. They bought a BRAND NEW 1800sqft , 3bed 2bath single level home on a standard city lot in the next town over, for $440k. They sold their home for $180sqft and paid $245/sqft for their new one. They literally paid top dollar at market height for their new home. His commute got 8 minutes longer, but in comparison, that is pretty negligible.

I asked the wife when I saw her packing up the house in preparation for the move if her husband was ready to retire. She laughed a bit and said, "No, no, he wants to work 5 more years, cause you know it's about the money".  He's 67 now, and will be 72 at retirement, hence a larger pension from him employer, and max social security benefits.

In 20 years of living next to them, I've NEVER been in their home. Their children were 10 years older then my siblings and I, and they kept to themselves. The wife was always very friendly, but the husband was not so much. Here comes the mind numbing reality. Their garage was always fully packed with stuff. JUST enough room to pull their cars in, and that's it. Next to their home was a barn that I've NEVER seen inside of. Turns out it was packed full of stuff, a lot of it belonging to their oldest son. Upon their move, the wife noted to my mom that her son had to get a third storage unit to put the stuff in and joked, "We've got enough stuff of our own that we may have to add an addition to our new home! Haha!" (I'm relatively sure she really is joking. But maybe not?)

What is all boils down to is that they could have bought a very nice home in our area for $340k. That would have allowed them to put $200k into a retirement account, netting $8k/year in useable money, and putting them in a position to retire earlier.

It's OMY and TMS syndrome all day long (One more year, Too much shit).
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mousebandit on December 28, 2016, 11:11:37 PM
This history is 20 years in the making.

After their sons moved out, it was just the two of them in the house for the last 20 years.



What is all boils down to is that they could have bought a very nice home in our area for $340k. That would have allowed them to put $200k into a retirement account, netting $8k/year in useable money, and putting them in a position to retire earlier.

It's OMY and TMS syndrome all day long (One more year, Too much shit).

Imagine if they'd sold and truly downsized 20 years ago, and invested the equity plus everything since then, or rented out the big house and made other appropriate housing arrangements.  They'd be sitting very pretty right now.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Playing with Fire UK on December 29, 2016, 02:30:21 AM
This history is 20 years in the making.

After their sons moved out, it was just the two of them in the house for the last 20 years.



What is all boils down to is that they could have bought a very nice home in our area for $340k. That would have allowed them to put $200k into a retirement account, netting $8k/year in useable money, and putting them in a position to retire earlier.

It's OMY and TMS syndrome all day long (One more year, Too much shit).

Imagine if they'd sold and truly downsized 20 years ago, and invested the equity plus everything since then, or rented out the big house and made other appropriate housing arrangements.  They'd be sitting very pretty right now.

They could have been, but I'd put money that in the parallel universe where circumstances forced the same couple to downsize they'd have spent the money filling the next garage.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mm1970 on December 29, 2016, 10:20:38 AM
Posting to follow.  I don't have any specific examples, but I occasionally see requests via the facebook and/or email group for recommendations for tradespeople to do fairly simple work, like recaulking a shower or bathtub, or fixing a leaky toilet.  On the other hand, I also see folks borrowing things (like high chairs or strollers) when they have family in town, and swapping coupons, so there's that.

And they always want someone who will do it for a "reasonable price".
That's legitimate.  Because there's a sliding scale of price, and a sliding scale of quality, and it's hard to tell when they will overlap.

For tradespeople and professionals - we've had good and bad experiences around town with plumbers, heating contractors, and pest control - so it's good to get recommendations.

I see similar requests for child care.  "Not too expensive."  Well, one time I asked "what is too expensive?"  The answer was $1200 a month for 3 days a week.  Ouch.  That is definitely on the  high side, even for this area.  On the other hand, one person posted looking for 4x a week, 9 to 5, for $100 a week.  That's...going to be really hard to find.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Hunny156 on December 30, 2016, 02:14:43 PM
This makes me wonder what our neighbors think.

We bought a nice house (most expensive one on the block basically, best lot and everything) and a new car this year and are pretty obviously in our 20s.

lol.

They think your parents are loaded and are financing the lifestyle!  And if one of you is in sales and gets a brand new (company) car every 18 months, they assume you are drug dealers.

Oh, and if you decide to buy rental properties anytime soon, be prepared for tenants to assume that it's your parents house.

We are 40, but still have baby faces, and people still make these sorts of assumptions about us.  Shake your head and laugh, not much else you can do!  :)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: thebattlewalrus on January 01, 2017, 04:33:40 PM
I was talking to my one of my neighbors mid-summer last year, really good family but all of them have no care about financial management. At all. He was telling me how good of a deal he got on his furniture and I should really look into it, and it would be delivered in a day or two. I wasn't needing anything so I passed and the conversation ended. Fast forward two days and the rent-to-own truck pulled up.... TV delivered, couch, few matching chairs, end tables. Ugh, no! 6 months later half of it was pulled from the house.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mustachepungoeshere on January 01, 2017, 10:48:52 PM
And if one of you is in sales and gets a brand new (company) car every 18 months, they assume you are drug dealers.

...

We are 40, but still have baby faces...

Moved into our apartment building at 25 (now 30, sigh). Husband drives a different new car every day, when he's not jetting around the world. Our neighbours definitely think we're drug dealers. He wants to start buying industrial quantities of foil just to mess with them.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on January 01, 2017, 10:59:11 PM
And if one of you is in sales and gets a brand new (company) car every 18 months, they assume you are drug dealers.

...

We are 40, but still have baby faces...

Moved into our apartment building at 25 (now 30, sigh). Husband drives a different new car every day, when he's not jetting around the world. Our neighbours definitely think we're drug dealers. He wants to start buying industrial quantities of foil just to mess with them.

Reminds me of when I spent a season in landscape construction. My crew I would make up the most ridiculous stories about who lived in some of the big, swanky houses and how they came by the money. This one's a drug dealer, that one's a pimp, the other one owns the patent on Astro-glide. It was all in good fun.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BlueHouse on January 03, 2017, 02:40:53 PM
This makes me wonder what our neighbors think.

We bought a nice house (most expensive one on the block basically, best lot and everything) and a new car this year and are pretty obviously in our 20s.

lol.

They think your parents are loaded and are financing the lifestyle!  And if one of you is in sales and gets a brand new (company) car every 18 months, they assume you are drug dealers.

Oh, and if you decide to buy rental properties anytime soon, be prepared for tenants to assume that it's your parents house.

We are 40, but still have baby faces, and people still make these sorts of assumptions about us.  Shake your head and laugh, not much else you can do!  :)
I've seen many people who would assume that this is a normal lifestyle for 20-something year-olds and if they don't have it, it's because the system has robbed them of what they deserved. 

Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Travis on January 03, 2017, 04:42:59 PM
OK, so here's my neighbor contribution.  My old neighborhood, our lovely next door neighbors.  Hubby has some medical issues, so I can tell he can see the value in being frugal.  He was always interested in our side hustles and our aggressive FIRE plan.  Wife would seem bored.  One time, he looked hopefully at his wife and asked her "Honey, when will we be starting our early retirement savings plan?"  Her response was quick and cool.  "But we like to buy things, dear!"  Ouch.

Wow, I particularly like that there is no grey in this: buying things or savings plan. Pick one and only one.

At least she was honest about it. This forum is full of stories of people who spend every dime they find, but just can't understand why they can't save.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Travis on January 03, 2017, 05:03:34 PM
I mentioned this in my journal, but posting it again here seemed appropriate. DW's best friend and husband (2 adults and a toddler) are renting out their house in our hometown (Sacramento) and buying his childhood home in San Jose.  They work in S.F. and own a condo there, but have been renting it out for years.  Essentially they live in San Jose, commute to SF, and the house in Sac is a weekend/holiday home.  I'm not quite sure why they bought this house (5 bed, 2 bath, 3000+ square feet) which is literally next door to their BIL's family.  During a visit this summer DW's friend lamented that the house allowed her husband's parents to come up from the Bay Area constantly to babysit BIL's three kids from their house and practically raise them which meant this monstrous house effectively subsidized her BIL's child care for the past 8 years.  I got the feeling this situation was simply taken in stride by the BIL without fully acknowledging what his brother and wife were providing.  The local market won't allow them to sell it right now, so they're hoping to get enough to cover the mortgage for a couple more years until the market looks brighter.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: former player on January 04, 2017, 01:42:45 AM
OK, so here's my neighbor contribution.  My old neighborhood, our lovely next door neighbors.  Hubby has some medical issues, so I can tell he can see the value in being frugal.  He was always interested in our side hustles and our aggressive FIRE plan.  Wife would seem bored.  One time, he looked hopefully at his wife and asked her "Honey, when will we be starting our early retirement savings plan?"  Her response was quick and cool.  "But we like to buy things, dear!"  Ouch.

Wow, I particularly like that there is no grey in this: buying things or savings plan. Pick one and only one.

At least she was honest about it. This forum is full of stories of people who spend every dime they find, but just can't understand why they can't save.
It might have been honest with a change in pronoun "But I like to buy things, dear".
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Playing with Fire UK on January 04, 2017, 03:06:13 AM
OK, so here's my neighbor contribution.  My old neighborhood, our lovely next door neighbors.  Hubby has some medical issues, so I can tell he can see the value in being frugal.  He was always interested in our side hustles and our aggressive FIRE plan.  Wife would seem bored.  One time, he looked hopefully at his wife and asked her "Honey, when will we be starting our early retirement savings plan?"  Her response was quick and cool.  "But we like to buy things, dear!"  Ouch.
Wow, I particularly like that there is no grey in this: buying things or savings plan. Pick one and only one.
At least she was honest about it. This forum is full of stories of people who spend every dime they find, but just can't understand why they can't save.

I like this too.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on January 04, 2017, 03:42:11 AM
This makes me wonder what our neighbors think.

We bought a nice house (most expensive one on the block basically, best lot and everything) and a new car this year and are pretty obviously in our 20s.

lol.

They think your parents are loaded and are financing the lifestyle!  And if one of you is in sales and gets a brand new (company) car every 18 months, they assume you are drug dealers.

Oh, and if you decide to buy rental properties anytime soon, be prepared for tenants to assume that it's your parents house.

We are 40, but still have baby faces, and people still make these sorts of assumptions about us.  Shake your head and laugh, not much else you can do!  :)
I've seen many people who would assume that this is a normal lifestyle for 20-something year-olds and if they don't have it, it's because the system has robbed them of what they deserved.

I see these sentiments all the time on Facebook. Even on this forum!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Linea_Norway on January 04, 2017, 07:43:09 AM
And if one of you is in sales and gets a brand new (company) car every 18 months, they assume you are drug dealers.

...

We are 40, but still have baby faces...

Moved into our apartment building at 25 (now 30, sigh). Husband drives a different new car every day, when he's not jetting around the world. Our neighbours definitely think we're drug dealers. He wants to start buying industrial quantities of foil just to mess with them.

I used to have a neighbour living in a very cheap house, but who regularly came home driving a new Ferrari or other new sports car. I just assumed he worked at a car company or had something to do with importing such cars.

But later we saw 2 men at his house standing beside very big plastic water tanks (the size used for cattle), tapping fluid out of the big tanks into smaller handy size tanks. My DH and I assumed that neighbour was into distributing illegal booze. Norway is a very expensive country for alcohol, so it is a likely scenario.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Inaya on January 04, 2017, 08:43:07 AM
My neighbors keep throwing out furniture--i.e., leaving it on the landing for facilities to come pick up and take... wherever it goes. Granted, some is broken down crap, but some of it could be Craigslisted! They're just throwing money away!

My gain--I now have a nice club chair, a nice glass coffee table, and some extremely dilapidated but mostly functional balcony furniture. I'm almost seriously considering going furniture scavenging to see what I can find and craigslist. 80 floors combined between both buildings--also a great workout!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kitsune on January 04, 2017, 09:09:27 AM
My neighbors keep throwing out furniture--i.e., leaving it on the landing for facilities to come pick up and take... wherever it goes. Granted, some is broken down crap, but some of it could be Craigslisted! They're just throwing money away!

My parents used to do that... 'too much hassle' to sell things on Craigslist, dontcha know. So I started putting dibs on whatever I wanted.

Antique iron bed frames? 3 of them. Which sell for 500$+ around here. ARGH. (I claimed 2, my sister claimed 1, and my parents are happy to see them gone. I don'T understand... )
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: zephyr911 on January 04, 2017, 10:58:37 AM
...
Sorry man, I saw a big fat underhand-pitched softball and decided to swing for the fence.

Sorry man, I lived in the largest city in Virginia for twenty-plus years. Shit like that goes down everyday. It's not unique to Alabama.

Yep, people I last lived across the street from had 3 or 4 generations under one roof and nothing but raised SUV's with fancy rims and big TV's in every room.  I do very much live in the south, and there definitely are "Picard Facepalm" families in every state.
Y'all crack me the F up.

Another sad thing is how much they had to leave behind and how badly they seem to have lived. At least a dozen storage containers have been hauled to the curb, already picked over by the cleaning crew, along with the rotten old carpet and the remnants of a decrepit shed from the backyard. Having peeked in some of the windows, I'm sure the drywall will follow (there are random holes in the walls), and probably some fixtures.

The house originally had central air, but even with no mortgage, the owner couldn't afford to fix it, so they had retrofitted a bunch of crappy window units (only house on the street with them). I'm sure that'll be rectified too. I'm glad for my property value but still sad for the loss of the family. Some bad choices in there, but I still feel for them.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BuffaloStache on January 04, 2017, 02:48:14 PM
Not exactly a neighbor, but I went to visit a very old friend for the first time in ~8 years during the holidays. I was shocked to find him and his wife living absolutely at their means, when both of them have great jobs and bring in high salaries.

We were hanging out in his partially finished basement, and him and his wife got in an argument over what to do with the TV we were watching  (a very nice 40"+ TV) since they planned on buying an even bigger 65"+ TV the following week.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mustachepungoeshere on January 04, 2017, 04:52:55 PM
Had a giggle at this. An artist poking fun at lavish showers.

http://upshout.net/rich-people-showers/?utm_content=inf_11_3298_2&utm_source=TSE&utm_medium=CPC&utm_campaign=tse&tse_id=INF_9cf592c0d2d711e6a03c354c456e1db2



Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: gimp on January 04, 2017, 05:35:18 PM
That looks like a very pretty version of a gym shower. Pass!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on January 04, 2017, 11:08:23 PM
That looks like a very pretty version of a gym shower. Pass!

Pass?  I mean, I'd take it if it were free. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MrMoogle on January 05, 2017, 09:12:04 AM
That looks like a very pretty version of a gym shower. Pass!

Pass?  I mean, I'd take it if it were free. 
Look at all that stuff to clean!  I like being able to wipe down my shower in 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on January 05, 2017, 10:04:56 AM
Had a giggle at this. An artist poking fun at lavish showers.

http://upshout.net/rich-people-showers/?utm_content=inf_11_3298_2&utm_source=TSE&utm_medium=CPC&utm_campaign=tse&tse_id=INF_9cf592c0d2d711e6a03c354c456e1db2

Yeah - the military has those open showers too. Always fun to know your co-workers REALLY well.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: AlanStache on January 05, 2017, 10:30:33 AM
That looks like a very pretty version of a gym shower. Pass!

Pass?  I mean, I'd take it if it were free. 
Look at all that stuff to clean!  I like being able to wipe down my shower in 10 minutes.

I think the easiest way to clean all that would be to use a garden hose with bleach in a liquid weed-n-feed dispenser (after you take the wooden ladder out of shower).
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on January 05, 2017, 01:04:39 PM
10HP Pressure washer....
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Quidnon? on January 05, 2017, 01:06:40 PM
That looks like a very pretty version of a gym shower. Pass!

That's an orgy shower.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on January 05, 2017, 01:33:42 PM
That looks like a very pretty version of a gym shower. Pass!

Pass?  I mean, I'd take it if it were free. 
Look at all that stuff to clean!  I like being able to wipe down my shower in 10 minutes.

The shower part is still small enough to wipe down in 10 min.  Even less, since there are no walls/doors to get scummy.

Everything else... just don't get it dirty?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: joleran on January 05, 2017, 02:34:07 PM
The shower part is still small enough to wipe down in 10 min.  Even less, since there are no walls/doors to get scummy.

Everything else... just don't get it dirty?

I don't think you have much experience with orgy showers.  It can get pretty messy.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: FIT_Goat on January 05, 2017, 03:36:22 PM
10HP Pressure washer....

This is why the next time I clean the shower will be the last time my wife allows me to clean the shower!  LOL, I don't enjoy the job and would absolutely do it with the pressure washer (if I wasn't worried about the grout holding up).
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on January 05, 2017, 03:39:07 PM
The shower part is still small enough to wipe down in 10 min.  Even less, since there are no walls/doors to get scummy.

Everything else... just don't get it dirty?

I don't think you have much experience with orgy showers.  It can get pretty messy.

You don't charge a cleaning fee for your orgies?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Quidnon? on January 05, 2017, 03:39:46 PM
The shower part is still small enough to wipe down in 10 min.  Even less, since there are no walls/doors to get scummy.

Everything else... just don't get it dirty?

I don't think you have much experience with orgy showers.  It can get pretty messy.

True,  but it's all water soluble.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: gimp on January 05, 2017, 05:58:35 PM
True,  but it's all water soluble.

However, hot water causes proteins to curdle/fold, so a lot of those water soluble liquids will end up pretty annoying to get out of your pretty rock walls with large gaps. I'd agree with powerwashing instead.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Taran Wanderer on January 05, 2017, 10:54:17 PM
True,  but it's all water soluble.

However, hot water causes proteins to curdle/fold, so a lot of those water soluble liquids will end up pretty annoying to get out of your pretty rock walls with large gaps. I'd agree with powerwashing instead.

He calls himself "gimp" for a reason, folks...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TravelJunkyQC on January 09, 2017, 01:17:53 PM
I already talked about my Antimustachian neighbour with an MBA in finance who can't keep the roof over her head but goes out to eat every day with "clients" of her new MLM essential oil business.

Another gem this weekend on her Facebook:

Her laptop seemed to turn on, made all the right noises, but the screen stayed black. She wrote on Facebook that she was looking for a new computer because this happened and ipso-facto, it was dead and she needed a new one. I had had the same issue with my old MacBook (same computer as hers), and it was just a question of resetting a few things. No biggie. I sent her an article straight from Apple with 3 troubleshooting options she should try, telling her that if the computer was still making the start-up noises, it was probably just a software issue that could be fixed.

She asks me if I can do it for her, I tell her no, but here's an article. (I was busy and the woman can barely tie her own shoes it seems - my BF and I are tired of always helping her when she can't help herself).

Today I find again on Facebook, that she went to Apple (for them to do the EXACT troubleshooting in the article I sent her). That the computer turned back on no problem, but that this was probably a sign that she needs to "renew" for the new year. And to send her positive energy and wishes of abundance for 2017 - and that she's now looking at 1,300$ refurbished MacBooks.

The brain. It hurts.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: marty998 on January 09, 2017, 01:47:59 PM
I thought $1300 is the cost of a new Macbook, not a refurbished one?

Sorry, the cost is probably about $50, with Apple's markup being $1250
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Playing with Fire UK on January 09, 2017, 01:59:05 PM
I thought $1300 is the cost of a new Macbook, not a refurbished one?

Sorry, the cost is probably about $50, with Apple's markup being $1250

Surely you aren't doubting the neighbour?!? They have an MBA in finance!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TravelJunkyQC on January 09, 2017, 02:24:01 PM
I thought $1300 is the cost of a new Macbook, not a refurbished one?

Sorry, the cost is probably about $50, with Apple's markup being $1250

Surely you aren't doubting the neighbour?!? They have an MBA in finance!

1,300$ CAD (we're in Québec) is the price of a refurbished one here...

And although I did mention that she has an MBA in finance, I am very much aware that formal education in no way indicates someone's level of intelligence. I find it ironic nonetheless though.

At first it made me sad. Now it's just making me angry. She watches environmental documentaries with us sometimes (we love most documentaries in general) - she notes how sad it is, how much garbage our society creates, she posts on Facebook how we all have to be careful... and then she throws away an electronic device for being a bit wonky ONCE.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on January 09, 2017, 02:36:38 PM
I thought $1300 is the cost of a new Macbook, not a refurbished one?

Sorry, the cost is probably about $50, with Apple's markup being $1250

LOL, Apple may have gross margins of 40%, but 2500% would be quite a feat
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Sibley on January 09, 2017, 04:59:34 PM
Technically this is my roommate, not a neighbor, but sorta works here.

Back story:
She got fired last year. Didn't look for a job for 6+ months. When she did finally get a job, its a part time minimum wage job. She is financially struggling, but I think her parents are giving her money to make up the difference. Oh, and she went to 3 conventions during her jobless period.

Anyway, she says tonight that the newest book in the series she likes is out and she needs to order it. "It's not that much."

I am moving out in 6 months.


Edit: some day, I will learn to type and not skip words.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mustachepungoeshere on January 09, 2017, 11:32:44 PM
I thought $1300 is the cost of a new Macbook, not a refurbished one?

Someone has been window shopping... ;)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: marty998 on January 09, 2017, 11:38:27 PM
I thought $1300 is the cost of a new Macbook, not a refurbished one?

Sorry, the cost is probably about $50, with Apple's markup being $1250

LOL, Apple may have gross margins of 40%, but 2500% would be quite a feat

Is that the gross margin based on Apple's ridiculous transfer pricing arrangements with Ireland and the Netherlands? Or an actual cost of production in China?

I would guess the cost of production is closer to $50 than an inflated transfer pricing figure designed to increase US costs and shift revenues abroad.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on January 10, 2017, 07:28:38 AM
I thought $1300 is the cost of a new Macbook, not a refurbished one?

Someone has been window shopping... ;)

I believe there's also a $CAD versus $USD conversion somewhere in the conversation.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on January 10, 2017, 02:41:23 PM
I thought $1300 is the cost of a new Macbook, not a refurbished one?

Sorry, the cost is probably about $50, with Apple's markup being $1250

LOL, Apple may have gross margins of 40%, but 2500% would be quite a feat

Is that the gross margin based on Apple's ridiculous transfer pricing arrangements with Ireland and the Netherlands? Or an actual cost of production in China?

I would guess the cost of production is closer to $50 than an inflated transfer pricing figure designed to increase US costs and shift revenues abroad.

I don't know it was the first google result.  But the order of magnitude is right based on everything I've seen-- like this

Quote
If you go to an Apple Store and buy an iPhone 7 with 32GB of storage space, Apple will charge you $649. That device only costs $224.80 to make, after adding $5 for manufacturing costs, according to an estimate by research firm IHS, which took apart and studied Apple's latest phone

http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-7-ihs-teardown-list-of-component-prices-2016-9

I don't know the details of what you consider to be ridiculous pricing, but if it truly costs $50, you should be able to get a phone very much like the iPhone for like $100, right?  Is this possible?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mustachepungoeshere on January 10, 2017, 02:57:02 PM
I thought $1300 is the cost of a new Macbook, not a refurbished one?

Someone has been window shopping... ;)

I believe there's also a $CAD versus $USD conversion somewhere in the conversation.

Versus $AUD.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: cakie on January 11, 2017, 12:33:39 AM
I thought $1300 is the cost of a new Macbook, not a refurbished one?

Sorry, the cost is probably about $50, with Apple's markup being $1250

LOL, Apple may have gross margins of 40%, but 2500% would be quite a feat

Is that the gross margin based on Apple's ridiculous transfer pricing arrangements with Ireland and the Netherlands? Or an actual cost of production in China?

I would guess the cost of production is closer to $50 than an inflated transfer pricing figure designed to increase US costs and shift revenues abroad.

I don't know it was the first google result.  But the order of magnitude is right based on everything I've seen-- like this

Quote
If you go to an Apple Store and buy an iPhone 7 with 32GB of storage space, Apple will charge you $649. That device only costs $224.80 to make, after adding $5 for manufacturing costs, according to an estimate by research firm IHS, which took apart and studied Apple's latest phone

http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-7-ihs-teardown-list-of-component-prices-2016-9

I don't know the details of what you consider to be ridiculous pricing, but if it truly costs $50, you should be able to get a phone very much like the iPhone for like $100, right?  Is this possible?
I have a android phone made by Foxconn (apple manufacturers). Cost me aud$130 with express shipping from China...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on January 11, 2017, 01:58:50 AM
I thought $1300 is the cost of a new Macbook, not a refurbished one?

Sorry, the cost is probably about $50, with Apple's markup being $1250

LOL, Apple may have gross margins of 40%, but 2500% would be quite a feat

Is that the gross margin based on Apple's ridiculous transfer pricing arrangements with Ireland and the Netherlands? Or an actual cost of production in China?

I would guess the cost of production is closer to $50 than an inflated transfer pricing figure designed to increase US costs and shift revenues abroad.

I don't know it was the first google result.  But the order of magnitude is right based on everything I've seen-- like this

Quote
If you go to an Apple Store and buy an iPhone 7 with 32GB of storage space, Apple will charge you $649. That device only costs $224.80 to make, after adding $5 for manufacturing costs, according to an estimate by research firm IHS, which took apart and studied Apple's latest phone

http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-7-ihs-teardown-list-of-component-prices-2016-9

I don't know the details of what you consider to be ridiculous pricing, but if it truly costs $50, you should be able to get a phone very much like the iPhone for like $100, right?  Is this possible?
I have a android phone made by Foxconn (apple manufacturers). Cost me aud$130 with express shipping from China...

Neat what are the specs?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: cakie on January 11, 2017, 02:11:10 AM
I thought $1300 is the cost of a new Macbook, not a refurbished one?

Sorry, the cost is probably about $50, with Apple's markup being $1250

LOL, Apple may have gross margins of 40%, but 2500% would be quite a feat

Is that the gross margin based on Apple's ridiculous transfer pricing arrangements with Ireland and the Netherlands? Or an actual cost of production in China?

I would guess the cost of production is closer to $50 than an inflated transfer pricing figure designed to increase US costs and shift revenues abroad.

I don't know it was the first google result.  But the order of magnitude is right based on everything I've seen-- like this

Quote
If you go to an Apple Store and buy an iPhone 7 with 32GB of storage space, Apple will charge you $649. That device only costs $224.80 to make, after adding $5 for manufacturing costs, according to an estimate by research firm IHS, which took apart and studied Apple's latest phone

http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-7-ihs-teardown-list-of-component-prices-2016-9

I don't know the details of what you consider to be ridiculous pricing, but if it truly costs $50, you should be able to get a phone very much like the iPhone for like $100, right?  Is this possible?
I have a android phone made by Foxconn (apple manufacturers). Cost me aud$130 with express shipping from China...

Neat what are the specs?
Infocus m560 - http://www.xiaomitoday.com/infocus-m560-review/

Unfortunately they didn't make them for long, tried to buy one for my SO a couple months later and couldn't (late last year). Has 4g band 28 that is very difficult to find in chinese phones, but useful in rural/outback areas of Australia.

Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Friar on January 11, 2017, 02:22:57 AM
I'll start with a small disclaimer, I have fantastic neighbours and I think of myself as very fortunate to live surrounded by such nice people. 

However I do question the choices made by a house on our street.  They have probably been in for around 18 months. 
During that time they have had (between a household of 4 adults) 8 brand new cars, there is always 3 cars and every few months the oldest gets replaced.

I wondered at first if maybe one of them works in a car leasing business or something but another neighbour has advised not.
The cars are financed and they trade them in when they want a change.  These aren't cheap cars either, the latest addition is an £80k ($100k) range rover sport.

We live on a street where the houses are worth between £180-250k, so by my estimation they have spent more on cars in the last year and a half than their house is worth. 

Are the cars they get always Land Rovers or do they change up the brand occasionally?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on January 11, 2017, 02:31:34 PM
I thought $1300 is the cost of a new Macbook, not a refurbished one?

Sorry, the cost is probably about $50, with Apple's markup being $1250

LOL, Apple may have gross margins of 40%, but 2500% would be quite a feat

Is that the gross margin based on Apple's ridiculous transfer pricing arrangements with Ireland and the Netherlands? Or an actual cost of production in China?

I would guess the cost of production is closer to $50 than an inflated transfer pricing figure designed to increase US costs and shift revenues abroad.

I don't know it was the first google result.  But the order of magnitude is right based on everything I've seen-- like this

Quote
If you go to an Apple Store and buy an iPhone 7 with 32GB of storage space, Apple will charge you $649. That device only costs $224.80 to make, after adding $5 for manufacturing costs, according to an estimate by research firm IHS, which took apart and studied Apple's latest phone

http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-7-ihs-teardown-list-of-component-prices-2016-9

I don't know the details of what you consider to be ridiculous pricing, but if it truly costs $50, you should be able to get a phone very much like the iPhone for like $100, right?  Is this possible?
I have a android phone made by Foxconn (apple manufacturers). Cost me aud$130 with express shipping from China...

Neat what are the specs?
Infocus m560 - http://www.xiaomitoday.com/infocus-m560-review/

Unfortunately they didn't make them for long, tried to buy one for my SO a couple months later and couldn't (late last year). Has 4g band 28 that is very difficult to find in chinese phones, but useful in rural/outback areas of Australia.

looks like a good deal, but the fact that they didn't make them for long leads me to believe the prom price of $130 wasn't profitable.  Since the list a regular price of over $200, I'd guess the discounted price was closer to the manufacturing cost and they were liquidating their inventory.  I also wouldn't be surprised if the iPhones higher finishes and features did add another $100 to the manufacturing price. 

Maybe $50 is correct for just the silicon, metal, energy,  and assembly if everything is designed in house (i.e. Ignoring all design and plant costs) but of course any component apple doesn't drain and build itself has the design manufacturing costs plus third party profits built in.

In other words, if the entire iPhone was designed and manufactured by a single entity, the marginal unit cost could be as low as $50.  Perhaps that's what you were saying all along, that the $224 number includes profits by third party vendors?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: lostamonkey on January 24, 2017, 11:06:56 PM
This is not really neighbours related but is real estate related so I thought I would post it here.

I rent an apartment. Recently I starting to get a lot of flyers advertising condos for sale. This is reasonable since I live in a fairly nice apartment building and many of my neighbours would consider buying. The odd/antimustachian thing about these flyers is they state "buy a house for xxx biweekly". They don't even list the total price of the home, just the biweekly mortgage payments. They don't even state what mortgage terms they are assuming.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on January 24, 2017, 11:54:56 PM
This is not really neighbours related but is real estate related so I thought I would post it here.

I rent an apartment. Recently I starting to get a lot of flyers advertising condos for sale. This is reasonable since I live in a fairly nice apartment building and many of my neighbours would consider buying. The odd/antimustachian thing about these flyers is they state "buy a house for xxx biweekly". They don't even list the total price of the home, just the biweekly mortgage payments. They don't even state what mortgage terms they are assuming.
Common psychological marketing.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Linea_Norway on January 25, 2017, 01:15:01 AM
This is not really neighbours related but is real estate related so I thought I would post it here.

I rent an apartment. Recently I starting to get a lot of flyers advertising condos for sale. This is reasonable since I live in a fairly nice apartment building and many of my neighbours would consider buying. The odd/antimustachian thing about these flyers is they state "buy a house for xxx biweekly". They don't even list the total price of the home, just the biweekly mortgage payments. They don't even state what mortgage terms they are assuming.

Then it is guaranteed a trick with a very high mortgage. Just like when some items in the supermarket are not priced. They are always overly expensive.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: marty998 on January 25, 2017, 01:31:44 AM
Maybe $50 is correct for just the silicon, metal, energy,  and assembly if everything is designed in house (i.e. Ignoring all design and plant costs) but of course any component apple doesn't drain and build itself has the design manufacturing costs plus third party profits built in.

In other words, if the entire iPhone was designed and manufactured by a single entity, the marginal unit cost could be as low as $50.  Perhaps that's what you were saying all along, that the $224 number includes profits by third party vendors?

Sorry, just come back to this thread now. $50 was a finger-in-the-air number. I was under the impression all phones are pretty similar component wise, they just charge you more for the x amount of Gigabyte memory/storage? Maybe one of 2 features bump up the cost a bit more too, but I don't know these things.

Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: cakie on January 25, 2017, 02:35:06 AM


http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-7-ihs-teardown-list-of-component-prices-2016-9

I don't know the details of what you consider to be ridiculous pricing, but if it truly costs $50, you should be able to get a phone very much like the iPhone for like $100, right?  Is this possible?
I have a android phone made by Foxconn (apple manufacturers). Cost me aud$130 with express shipping from China...

Neat what are the specs?
Infocus m560 - http://www.xiaomitoday.com/infocus-m560-review/

Unfortunately they didn't make them for long, tried to buy one for my SO a couple months later and couldn't (late last year). Has 4g band 28 that is very difficult to find in chinese phones, but useful in rural/outback areas of Australia.
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looks like a good deal, but the fact that they didn't make them for long leads me to believe the prom price of $130 wasn't profitable.  Since the list a regular price of over $200, I'd guess the discounted price was closer to the manufacturing cost and they were liquidating their inventory.  I also wouldn't be surprised if the iPhones higher finishes and features did add another $100 to the manufacturing price. 

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Just noticed this reply! The phone was marketed as a US$100 phone for Indian market... Not sure where you got the $200 price from? It is high end finish, lower end specs.

I think it is interesting though how cheap the fancy metal casings must be to manufacture compared to the cost of 3rd party high end processor/graphics. Some clever marketing at play here to distinguish between cheap and expensive phones? Otherwise why are the regular ones plastic?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on January 25, 2017, 01:56:54 PM



I think it is interesting though how cheap the fancy metal casings must be to manufacture compared to the cost of 3rd party high end processor/graphics. Some clever marketing at play here to distinguish between cheap and expensive phones? Otherwise why are the regular ones plastic?

Probably marketing, but plastic is also probably easier to assemble (snap-on vs. screws).  And like I alluded, Apple is trying to push the bar to distinguish itself - I don't personally care about "rotational 3d polishing" but it's gotta be a lot more expensive than the alternatives (even if the expense is still a small portion of overall cost): https://youtu.be/sbios0u2Px8?t=72

I also don't care if I have an A10 chip that can play games faster, or two cameras, but that is certainly differentiating and adds to the cost.

It sounds like your phone is more on par with older iphones -- consider that Apple likely spent money to develop the processes that make those finishes economic in the first place.  So without early adopters paying top price for these designs, last years designs would not be available at rock bottom prices.

None of that is to say you should waste money on an expensive phone you don't want.  I'm just not sure you can manufacture an iphone 7, with slightly lower processor specs, for $50.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: SeaEhm on January 28, 2017, 04:58:34 PM
This is not really neighbours related but is real estate related so I thought I would post it here.

I rent an apartment. Recently I starting to get a lot of flyers advertising condos for sale. This is reasonable since I live in a fairly nice apartment building and many of my neighbours would consider buying. The odd/antimustachian thing about these flyers is they state "buy a house for xxx biweekly". They don't even list the total price of the home, just the biweekly mortgage payments. They don't even state what mortgage terms they are assuming.

Buy a condo for less than what it costs to stay a night at a local Motel 6!  Only $100 per night!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on January 28, 2017, 05:12:21 PM
This is not really neighbours related but is real estate related so I thought I would post it here.

I rent an apartment. Recently I starting to get a lot of flyers advertising condos for sale. This is reasonable since I live in a fairly nice apartment building and many of my neighbours would consider buying. The odd/antimustachian thing about these flyers is they state "buy a house for xxx biweekly". They don't even list the total price of the home, just the biweekly mortgage payments. They don't even state what mortgage terms they are assuming.

Buy a condo for less than what it costs to stay a night at a local Motel 6!  Only $100 per night!

The thought of that payment makes me shudder...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TomTX on January 28, 2017, 08:33:29 PM
Not exactly a neighbor, but I went to visit a very old friend for the first time in ~8 years during the holidays. I was shocked to find him and his wife living absolutely at their means, when both of them have great jobs and bring in high salaries.

We were hanging out in his partially finished basement, and him and his wife got in an argument over what to do with the TV we were watching  (a very nice 40"+ TV) since they planned on buying an even bigger 65"+ TV the following week.
In fairness, you can get a 65" 4k "smart TV" from Costco for $800.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on January 29, 2017, 12:24:33 AM
I actually do figure my housing costs (and other expenses) on a daily basis just for fun.  Especially when I replace something... like I figured my last laptop cost me 41 cents per day.  Definitely worth it in my book. Other stuff not so much
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: SeaEhm on January 29, 2017, 09:44:26 AM
This is not really neighbours related but is real estate related so I thought I would post it here.

I rent an apartment. Recently I starting to get a lot of flyers advertising condos for sale. This is reasonable since I live in a fairly nice apartment building and many of my neighbours would consider buying. The odd/antimustachian thing about these flyers is they state "buy a house for xxx biweekly". They don't even list the total price of the home, just the biweekly mortgage payments. They don't even state what mortgage terms they are assuming.

Buy a condo for less than what it costs to stay a night at a local Motel 6!  Only $100 per night!

The thought of that payment makes me shudder...

haha!

I guess I need to change my marketing then!

For less than the cost of weekly lunches and staying in a cheap motel, you can own the home of your dreams!  Pay $120 per day and you will get a free car of your choice! 

The car cannot be over $20k MSRP at a competitive rate of 12% APR.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on January 29, 2017, 06:35:43 PM
This is not really neighbours related but is real estate related so I thought I would post it here.

I rent an apartment. Recently I starting to get a lot of flyers advertising condos for sale. This is reasonable since I live in a fairly nice apartment building and many of my neighbours would consider buying. The odd/antimustachian thing about these flyers is they state "buy a house for xxx biweekly". They don't even list the total price of the home, just the biweekly mortgage payments. They don't even state what mortgage terms they are assuming.

Buy a condo for less than what it costs to stay a night at a local Motel 6!  Only $100 per night!

The thought of that payment makes me shudder...

haha!

I guess I need to change my marketing then!

For less than the cost of weekly lunches and staying in a cheap motel, you can own the home of your dreams!  Pay $120 per day and you will get a free car of your choice! 

The car cannot be over $20k MSRP at a competitive rate of 12% APR.

That's starting to sound like a good deal... I mean, I have to eat and sleep anyway. And a free car? Incredible.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MgoSam on February 01, 2017, 12:42:34 PM
This is not really neighbours related but is real estate related so I thought I would post it here.

I rent an apartment. Recently I starting to get a lot of flyers advertising condos for sale. This is reasonable since I live in a fairly nice apartment building and many of my neighbours would consider buying. The odd/antimustachian thing about these flyers is they state "buy a house for xxx biweekly". They don't even list the total price of the home, just the biweekly mortgage payments. They don't even state what mortgage terms they are assuming.

Buy a condo for less than what it costs to stay a night at a local Motel 6!  Only $100 per night!

Who the heck pays $100/night for a local Motel 6? Unless local to you means a very HCOL place like SF during the Superbowl, you can find a motel for a lot cheaper nearly everywhere in the country. I've gotten by on $45/night rooms at Red Roof Inn too many times to count.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on February 02, 2017, 12:23:47 AM
Who the heck pays $100/night for a local Motel 6? Unless local to you means a very HCOL place like SF during the Superbowl, you can find a motel for a lot cheaper nearly everywhere in the country. I've gotten by on $45/night rooms at Red Roof Inn too many times to count.
If only I could get a house for that price per night! I bet it wouldn't come with a car though...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: golden1 on February 02, 2017, 09:31:22 AM
I live in a high COL area that is quickly gentrifying so my whole town is a goldmine of anti-mustachian stories.

I moved into my town in the metrowest Boston area in 1999.  This town is convenient to the interstate, had decent schools in the top third of the state, but wasn't one of the super quaint towns in MA with the well kept town center etc...  so the home prices were more affordable.  I considered it a high value town.  It was primarily a commuter town full of working class people and white collar professionals.  It has a large business center and a mall, but it is separated well from the residential area.  I bought a house that was bigger than I needed, because I wanted to have children in a few years, probably "average" for the town at the time.  1960 construction, multilevel 1800 sqft, 4 bedrooms, 2 baths.  Nothing fancy. 

In the last 18 years, there have been a lot of improvements to the town.  The town center, while still not great, is becoming nicer and more traditional looking.  The schools have become nearly top tier.  Since we have a large business community, we have dual tax rates which means very low property taxes compared to the surrounding towns.  With home prices in the Boston area skyrocketing, this has brought an influx of wealthier families with young children to the town.  So this has meant that there is a demand for housing, and home prices have more than doubled in that time.  Great for me because I have a lot of equity now.  But my town is starting the whole tear down, build McMansion process.  The houses that people are building are sheer insanity IMO and look ridiculous in this neighborhood.  I can't complain since their property taxes mean iPads in the school, great rec center services, paid trash pickup etc...  However, my average house is now one of the "worst" ones in that it is small and not brand new. 


The house across the street used to be a nice little ranch.  Five years ago (which is about when this all started) it got torn down and a decent sized colonial got built.  Then they decided a few years ago THAT wasn't big enough, so they added a huge addition.  The house basically takes up the entire 0.5 acre lot.  It's gigantic.  They have three garages filled and 2-3 cars in the driveway at all times. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mm1970 on February 02, 2017, 10:26:15 AM
This is not really neighbours related but is real estate related so I thought I would post it here.

I rent an apartment. Recently I starting to get a lot of flyers advertising condos for sale. This is reasonable since I live in a fairly nice apartment building and many of my neighbours would consider buying. The odd/antimustachian thing about these flyers is they state "buy a house for xxx biweekly". They don't even list the total price of the home, just the biweekly mortgage payments. They don't even state what mortgage terms they are assuming.

Buy a condo for less than what it costs to stay a night at a local Motel 6!  Only $100 per night!

Who the heck pays $100/night for a local Motel 6? Unless local to you means a very HCOL place like SF during the Superbowl, you can find a motel for a lot cheaper nearly everywhere in the country. I've gotten by on $45/night rooms at Red Roof Inn too many times to count.
My stepdad came to visit in Santa Barbara last year and was about to book the local motel 6 (which is horrible.  He and my mom stayed there years ago.)  It was $179 a night!

I found him an air-BNB for $99 a night, *right* before the city banned short term rentals.  He got in under the wire!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BuffaloStache on February 03, 2017, 11:52:08 PM
...The house across the street used to be a nice little ranch.  Five years ago (which is about when this all started) it got torn down and a decent sized colonial got built.  Then they decided a few years ago THAT wasn't big enough, so they added a huge addition.  The house basically takes up the entire 0.5 acre lot.  It's gigantic.  They have three garages filled and 2-3 cars in the driveway at all times.

I feel like this is happening in many places throughout the country. Everyday people are going into serious debt to tear down perfectly good homes and build McMansions that are way too big for the lot of land they are on. It's one of the main things that drew me to the MMM community; the idea of "enough".
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Fomerly known as something on February 05, 2017, 07:04:00 PM
...The house across the street used to be a nice little ranch.  Five years ago (which is about when this all started) it got torn down and a decent sized colonial got built.  Then they decided a few years ago THAT wasn't big enough, so they added a huge addition.  The house basically takes up the entire 0.5 acre lot.  It's gigantic.  They have three garages filled and 2-3 cars in the driveway at all times.

I feel like this is happening in many places throughout the country. Everyday people are going into serious debt to tear down perfectly good homes and build McMansions that are way too big for the lot of land they are on. It's one of the main things that drew me to the MMM community; the idea of "enough".

It really depends on the home and the neighborhood.  I say that sitting in my home that was once on the site of another home.  Some might say it's too big for my 40x110ft lot.  But at least my town is building things of "normal size."  600 sq ft ranches are being replaced with 1500-2000 sq ft 2 stories.  Some of the ranches are having their roofs torn off and the base taken down to the studs with a 2nd floor added on but a lot of that has to do with if the foundation is still ok and many aren't.  When they are getting renovated things such as energy efficient windows, heaters and insulation are added.  The 600 sq ft house would likely have been enough for me but I'm happy with my mini McMansion.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on February 05, 2017, 09:43:41 PM
...The house across the street used to be a nice little ranch.  Five years ago (which is about when this all started) it got torn down and a decent sized colonial got built.  Then they decided a few years ago THAT wasn't big enough, so they added a huge addition.  The house basically takes up the entire 0.5 acre lot.  It's gigantic.  They have three garages filled and 2-3 cars in the driveway at all times.

I feel like this is happening in many places throughout the country. Everyday people are going into serious debt to tear down perfectly good homes and build McMansions that are way too big for the lot of land they are on. It's one of the main things that drew me to the MMM community; the idea of "enough".

It really depends on the home and the neighborhood.  I say that sitting in my home that was once on the site of another home.  Some might say it's too big for my 40x110ft lot.  But at least my town is building things of "normal size."  600 sq ft ranches are being replaced with 1500-2000 sq ft 2 stories.  Some of the ranches are having their roofs torn off and the base taken down to the studs with a 2nd floor added on but a lot of that has to do with if the foundation is still ok and many aren't.  When they are getting renovated things such as energy efficient windows, heaters and insulation are added.  The 600 sq ft house would likely have been enough for me but I'm happy with my mini McMansion.

Building vertically does have the virtue of conserving heat and stabilizing the temperature indoors, provided the seals around the windows and doors are good and the place is insulated according to modern standards.

Replacing a bungalow with, say, a split-level or a 2-story house, or adding a basement to increase usable square footage, doesn't strike me as offensive because it doesn't significantly break up the lines of the neighborhood in terms of vertical development and overall distance from the road. One and two-story houses are pretty normal. I'd rather see a 2-story house with a small footprint than an oozing behemoth of a bungalow edging Blob-like toward the sidewalk as though it wished to devour the pedestrians before overlapping the property lines and snacking on the neighbors' shrubbery. With an understated roof it might top out reasonably well in line with its neighbors.

Any time a house juts up above the adjacent homes by more than one story, or is set noticeably closer to the street, it kind of draws attention to itself. It's like an erection in math class. You don't want to look at it, you don't want to acknowledge its presence, but it can't help but attract notice.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Linea_Norway on February 06, 2017, 01:32:36 AM

Building vertically does have the virtue of conserving heat and stabilizing the temperature indoors, provided the seals around the windows and doors are good and the place is insulated according to modern standards.

Replacing a bungalow with, say, a split-level or a 2-story house, or adding a basement to increase usable square footage, doesn't strike me as offensive because it doesn't significantly break up the lines of the neighborhood in terms of vertical development and overall distance from the road.

You are right that vertical, compact houses are smart for saving energy. Unfortunately my community only allows the low end of the roof to be very low. In practice this means that the second floor of the house cannot be full stand-up height. The only solution is indeed to make a cellar that is dug into the ground, with only small high windows. This is more difficult in building to keep free of moisture.

The most beneficial is to live in an apartment block. When we did, many years ago, we never had the heating on, except for in the bedroom half an hour before going to bed. We used only 1300 KWh a year! Warm water was included in the rental price, though.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: golden1 on February 06, 2017, 09:06:05 AM
Right, I am not talking about making more efficient use of land space here.  I am talking about just building giant houses on smallish lots.  There is one around the corner of my house, 3000 sqft with three car garage, replaced a perfectly good house that was likely 1500-2000 sqft.  $930,000 selling price.  I mean I get it, the developer probably paid around 400,000 for the land and building bigger houses means more profit.  It still seems wasteful.  And our town has 0.5 acre lot zoning.  I have seen the same houses squeezed on 0.33 and 0.25 acre lots in other towns. 


Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Chris22 on February 06, 2017, 09:46:27 AM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...I mean, if people want a larger house, is it better that they have it on smaller, denser lots, or farther out in the sticks with more land between houses?  I know most of you think "well you just don't get a larger house" but given that people want and are going to buy one, isn't it better if they have them in denser suburbs?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: redbird on February 06, 2017, 10:19:14 AM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...I mean, if people want a larger house, is it better that they have it on smaller, denser lots, or farther out in the sticks with more land between houses?  I know most of you think "well you just don't get a larger house" but given that people want and are going to buy one, isn't it better if they have them in denser suburbs?

Then it'll become like Tokyo, where the exterior wall of your neighbor's house is only 10 feet from the exterior wall of your house.

Not exaggerating, by the way. That was true in my neighborhood in Tokyo. It was all single family houses, not apartment buildings, and they were built super close together like that.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on February 06, 2017, 10:27:23 AM
Embrace terraced housing? It's the norm for much (most?) UK towns. And the houses either side offer excellent insulation!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Chris22 on February 06, 2017, 10:29:05 AM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...I mean, if people want a larger house, is it better that they have it on smaller, denser lots, or farther out in the sticks with more land between houses?  I know most of you think "well you just don't get a larger house" but given that people want and are going to buy one, isn't it better if they have them in denser suburbs?

Then it'll become like Tokyo, where the exterior wall of your neighbor's house is only 10 feet from the exterior wall of your house.

Not exaggerating, by the way. That was true in my neighborhood in Tokyo. It was all single family houses, not apartment buildings, and they were built super close together like that.

The exterior of my 1700 sq ft house is already only 10-15' from my neighbor's house on both sides...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: ShoulderThingThatGoesUp on February 06, 2017, 01:22:34 PM
Tokyo has very low housing costs for a first-world city...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on February 06, 2017, 01:38:21 PM
Fire risk???
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: AlanStache on February 06, 2017, 02:21:49 PM
Tokyo has very low housing costs for a first-world city...

?  Restaurant food can be objectively cheap but rents are rather high.  Or are you talking about single family homes outside the city proper?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Fresh Bread on February 06, 2017, 05:58:04 PM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...I mean, if people want a larger house, is it better that they have it on smaller, denser lots, or farther out in the sticks with more land between houses?  I know most of you think "well you just don't get a larger house" but given that people want and are going to buy one, isn't it better if they have them in denser suburbs?

Then it'll become like Tokyo, where the exterior wall of your neighbor's house is only 10 feet from the exterior wall of your house.

Not exaggerating, by the way. That was true in my neighborhood in Tokyo. It was all single family houses, not apartment buildings, and they were built super close together like that.

My wall is six feet from my neighbour's and that's the standard where I am. It feels very spacious after living in various apartments and terraces.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: HappierAtHome on February 06, 2017, 07:03:48 PM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...I mean, if people want a larger house, is it better that they have it on smaller, denser lots, or farther out in the sticks with more land between houses?  I know most of you think "well you just don't get a larger house" but given that people want and are going to buy one, isn't it better if they have them in denser suburbs?

Then it'll become like Tokyo, where the exterior wall of your neighbor's house is only 10 feet from the exterior wall of your house.

Not exaggerating, by the way. That was true in my neighborhood in Tokyo. It was all single family houses, not apartment buildings, and they were built super close together like that.

My wall is six feet from my neighbour's and that's the standard where I am. It feels very spacious after living in various apartments and terraces.

This. Isn't a six-ish foot gap standard in most suburban areas in Australia?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on February 06, 2017, 07:09:23 PM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...I mean, if people want a larger house, is it better that they have it on smaller, denser lots, or farther out in the sticks with more land between houses?  I know most of you think "well you just don't get a larger house" but given that people want and are going to buy one, isn't it better if they have them in denser suburbs?

Then it'll become like Tokyo, where the exterior wall of your neighbor's house is only 10 feet from the exterior wall of your house.

Not exaggerating, by the way. That was true in my neighborhood in Tokyo. It was all single family houses, not apartment buildings, and they were built super close together like that.

My wall is six feet from my neighbour's and that's the standard where I am. It feels very spacious after living in various apartments and terraces.

This. Isn't a six-ish foot gap standard in most suburban areas in Australia?
This seems like even more wasted space - is there anything productive that can be done with the space between houses?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: HappierAtHome on February 06, 2017, 07:18:07 PM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...I mean, if people want a larger house, is it better that they have it on smaller, denser lots, or farther out in the sticks with more land between houses?  I know most of you think "well you just don't get a larger house" but given that people want and are going to buy one, isn't it better if they have them in denser suburbs?

Then it'll become like Tokyo, where the exterior wall of your neighbor's house is only 10 feet from the exterior wall of your house.

Not exaggerating, by the way. That was true in my neighborhood in Tokyo. It was all single family houses, not apartment buildings, and they were built super close together like that.

My wall is six feet from my neighbour's and that's the standard where I am. It feels very spacious after living in various apartments and terraces.

This. Isn't a six-ish foot gap standard in most suburban areas in Australia?
This seems like even more wasted space - is there anything productive that can be done with the space between houses?

On our side of the fence we're planting trees and shrubs, so yes, that's pretty productive. Other things that live alongside the sides of my house: washing line, gas hot water system, air conditioning unit. I would think that's pretty standard in Aus. Soon, I'll have a slimline garden shed and slimline rainwater tanks too!

My neighbours on one side appear to hate nature (their entire backyard is paved...) and don't seem to use the space alongside their place for anything at all. Weird.

Note: in Australia, pretty much everyone has a backyard washing line, AND pretty much everyone has a fenced backyard. It is super rare and weird to not have fencing along the sides and back of your property.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: nnls on February 06, 2017, 09:38:45 PM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...I mean, if people want a larger house, is it better that they have it on smaller, denser lots, or farther out in the sticks with more land between houses?  I know most of you think "well you just don't get a larger house" but given that people want and are going to buy one, isn't it better if they have them in denser suburbs?

Then it'll become like Tokyo, where the exterior wall of your neighbor's house is only 10 feet from the exterior wall of your house.

Not exaggerating, by the way. That was true in my neighborhood in Tokyo. It was all single family houses, not apartment buildings, and they were built super close together like that.

My wall is six feet from my neighbour's and that's the standard where I am. It feels very spacious after living in various apartments and terraces.

This. Isn't a six-ish foot gap standard in most suburban areas in Australia?
This seems like even more wasted space - is there anything productive that can be done with the space between houses?

On our side of the fence we're planting trees and shrubs, so yes, that's pretty productive. Other things that live alongside the sides of my house: washing line, gas hot water system, air conditioning unit. I would think that's pretty standard in Aus. Soon, I'll have a slimline garden shed and slimline rainwater tanks too!

My neighbours on one side appear to hate nature (their entire backyard is paved...) and don't seem to use the space alongside their place for anything at all. Weird.

Note: in Australia, pretty much everyone has a backyard washing line, AND pretty much everyone has a fenced backyard. It is super rare and weird to not have fencing along the sides and back of your property.

I get so confused when I watch American TV househunter like shows and there is no fence and no clothes line. more so the no fence, but its all so weird
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: HappierAtHome on February 06, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
I get so confused when I watch American TV househunter like shows and there is no fence and no clothes line. more so the no fence, but its all so weird

Don't you think it would be kind of creepy to have a completely unfenced backyard? It's bad enough being able to see over my side fence into the neighbour's backyard at various points along the property line, NO WAY would I want to have an unfenced yard... I don't even like unfenced front yards!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: nnls on February 06, 2017, 09:58:23 PM
I get so confused when I watch American TV househunter like shows and there is no fence and no clothes line. more so the no fence, but its all so weird

Don't you think it would be kind of creepy to have a completely unfenced backyard? It's bad enough being able to see over my side fence into the neighbour's backyard at various points along the property line, NO WAY would I want to have an unfenced yard... I don't even like unfenced front yards!

yes exactly, its so weird. I cant even imagine who thought it was a good idea
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Linea_Norway on February 07, 2017, 12:43:57 AM
Note: in Australia, pretty much everyone has a backyard washing line, AND pretty much everyone has a fenced backyard. It is super rare and weird to not have fencing along the sides and back of your property.

I have hung my washing lines above the balcony, which has a roof over it. I hate it when the almost dry laundry gets rained over. Of course, we have a very different climate from Australia.

My yard only has a fence on one side and I think it was the neighbour on that side that set it up. The yard is quite big and there are trees. I haven't really missed the fence.
Lines of high shrubberies along your yard make your house more attractive for thieves, according to the police.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on February 07, 2017, 12:55:32 AM
I get so confused when I watch American TV househunter like shows and there is no fence and no clothes line. more so the no fence, but its all so weird

Don't you think it would be kind of creepy to have a completely unfenced backyard? It's bad enough being able to see over my side fence into the neighbour's backyard at various points along the property line, NO WAY would I want to have an unfenced yard... I don't even like unfenced front yards!

yes exactly, its so weird. I cant even imagine who thought it was a good idea
Probably the people who asked what it costs to put up a fence around a suburban sized lot.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: HappierAtHome on February 07, 2017, 01:00:38 AM
I get so confused when I watch American TV househunter like shows and there is no fence and no clothes line. more so the no fence, but its all so weird

Don't you think it would be kind of creepy to have a completely unfenced backyard? It's bad enough being able to see over my side fence into the neighbour's backyard at various points along the property line, NO WAY would I want to have an unfenced yard... I don't even like unfenced front yards!

yes exactly, its so weird. I cant even imagine who thought it was a good idea

Probably Obama. Thanks Obama :-( Trump would've built a wall for sure.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: ShoulderThingThatGoesUp on February 07, 2017, 04:47:26 AM
In Texas the yards all have fences too, so it was an adjustment for me to come north where they aren't nearly so common.

Of course I have no interest in paying to put one up...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Dave1442397 on February 07, 2017, 05:25:24 AM
I get so confused when I watch American TV househunter like shows and there is no fence and no clothes line. more so the no fence, but its all so weird

Don't you think it would be kind of creepy to have a completely unfenced backyard? It's bad enough being able to see over my side fence into the neighbour's backyard at various points along the property line, NO WAY would I want to have an unfenced yard... I don't even like unfenced front yards!
yes exactly, its so weird. I cant even imagine who thought it was a good idea
Probably the people who asked what it costs to put up a fence around a suburban sized lot.

Exactly. Our lot is an acre, and most of it is wooded. There is also a stream running through it, which can be anywhere from 1' deep to maybe 12' deep when we get a lot of rain. There are a couple of houses upstream that have tried to put in split-rail fences, and I've seen pieces of them floating downstream during big storms.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kitsune on February 07, 2017, 06:45:54 AM
In Texas the yards all have fences too, so it was an adjustment for me to come north where they aren't nearly so common.

Of course I have no interest in paying to put one up...

This. My parents fenced in their yard because they have a dog. After seeing what it costs to fence in 2 acres? NOPE.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: infogoon on February 07, 2017, 08:07:21 AM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...I mean, if people want a larger house, is it better that they have it on smaller, denser lots, or farther out in the sticks with more land between houses?  I know most of you think "well you just don't get a larger house" but given that people want and are going to buy one, isn't it better if they have them in denser suburbs?

Then it'll become like Tokyo, where the exterior wall of your neighbor's house is only 10 feet from the exterior wall of your house.

Not exaggerating, by the way. That was true in my neighborhood in Tokyo. It was all single family houses, not apartment buildings, and they were built super close together like that.

I'd be thrilled if my neighbor's house were that far away. My house is six inches from the property line, and his is a few feet on the other side.

This is a hundred year old "streetcar suburb" in Buffalo.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Chris22 on February 07, 2017, 08:17:47 AM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...I mean, if people want a larger house, is it better that they have it on smaller, denser lots, or farther out in the sticks with more land between houses?  I know most of you think "well you just don't get a larger house" but given that people want and are going to buy one, isn't it better if they have them in denser suburbs?

Then it'll become like Tokyo, where the exterior wall of your neighbor's house is only 10 feet from the exterior wall of your house.

Not exaggerating, by the way. That was true in my neighborhood in Tokyo. It was all single family houses, not apartment buildings, and they were built super close together like that.

My wall is six feet from my neighbour's and that's the standard where I am. It feels very spacious after living in various apartments and terraces.

This. Isn't a six-ish foot gap standard in most suburban areas in Australia?
This seems like even more wasted space - is there anything productive that can be done with the space between houses?

The space between houses here basically just exists as a path between back and front yards.  One side I had a nasty old patio/sidewalk I ripped out, and put down sod and a plant bed.  On the other side it's literally just sidewalk and fence.  Good way to get the mower from back to front and back again though. 

Pic is in process of tearing out the old patio (2 very long, hard days' work with a jackhammer).
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: firelight on February 07, 2017, 11:37:26 AM
We live in a condo with most people renting. Our neighbor is a single 40 year old lady who eats out everyday and has stuff delivered every two or three days. But ends up with late payment notice every few months.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Inaya on February 07, 2017, 01:29:22 PM
In Texas the yards all have fences too, so it was an adjustment for me to come north where they aren't nearly so common.

Of course I have no interest in paying to put one up...
Don't worry, your neighbor will pay for it...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: ambimammular on February 07, 2017, 04:14:42 PM
I get so confused when I watch American TV househunter like shows and there is no fence and no clothes line. more so the no fence, but its all so weird

Don't you think it would be kind of creepy to have a completely unfenced backyard? It's bad enough being able to see over my side fence into the neighbour's backyard at various points along the property line, NO WAY would I want to have an unfenced yard... I don't even like unfenced front yards!

Might depend on the layout. Growing up our neighborhood spanned a rolling hill with all the backyards facing in. It looked like a park or a meadow, all the lots were large enough that you couldn't see anyone's business. A few neighbor kids might stray over if we were playing in the backyard, or we might hike up to their house if they were out. We loved up on our older neighbors' little old dog. And put may baskets and valentines in mailboxes. Our retired neighbor lady taught me how to knit swinging on her front porch. I know there was one yard where we weren't allowed to play, but with our own yards, no one felt the need. All of us neighbors knew each other.

Where I live now, the houses are too close. We've been here eight years, and I could only pick my next door neighbor out of a line up if she was wearing her gardening sunhat. For good or worse, that's what comes of fences.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on February 08, 2017, 01:29:55 AM
We live in a condo with most people renting. Our neighbor is a single 40 year old lady who eats out everyday and has stuff delivered every two or three days. But ends up with late payment notice every few months.

Surely there would be mileage for landlords in making rent due the day after their tenant's payday.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: AlanStache on February 08, 2017, 12:11:36 PM
We live in a condo with most people renting. Our neighbor is a single 40 year old lady who eats out everyday and has stuff delivered every two or three days. But ends up with late payment notice every few months.

Surely there would be mileage for landlords in making rent due the day after their tenant's payday.
maybe but these people could never cover the transition phase :-)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on February 08, 2017, 01:05:55 PM
We live in a condo with most people renting. Our neighbor is a single 40 year old lady who eats out everyday and has stuff delivered every two or three days. But ends up with late payment notice every few months.

Surely there would be mileage for landlords in making rent due the day after their tenant's payday.

I've found it better to insist on a class of tenants that has enough in the way of organization skills to set aside rent money and keep it. Disorganized tenants cause more damage than they're worth due to other habits of theirs that are extremely hard on buildings.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: marty998 on February 08, 2017, 01:34:09 PM
We live in a condo with most people renting. Our neighbor is a single 40 year old lady who eats out everyday and has stuff delivered every two or three days. But ends up with late payment notice every few months.

Surely there would be mileage for landlords in making rent due the day after their tenant's payday.

I've found it better to insist on a class of tenants that has enough in the way of organization skills to set aside rent money and keep it. Disorganized tenants cause more damage than they're worth due to other habits of theirs that are extremely hard on buildings.

One of the things landlords can do in Australia is to have rent money paid directly from the government for tenants in receipt of welfare benefits. Having a direct debit from Centrelink means that even if the ratbag tenants trash your place, knock down the walls and burn it to the ground, at least the rent will 100% always be on time.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on February 08, 2017, 02:03:41 PM
We live in a condo with most people renting. Our neighbor is a single 40 year old lady who eats out everyday and has stuff delivered every two or three days. But ends up with late payment notice every few months.

Surely there would be mileage for landlords in making rent due the day after their tenant's payday.

I've found it better to insist on a class of tenants that has enough in the way of organization skills to set aside rent money and keep it. Disorganized tenants cause more damage than they're worth due to other habits of theirs that are extremely hard on buildings.

One of the things landlords can do in Australia is to have rent money paid directly from the government for tenants in receipt of welfare benefits. Having a direct debit from Centrelink means that even if the ratbag tenants trash your place, knock down the walls and burn it to the ground, at least the rent will 100% always be on time.

I've had welfare tenants who paid on time and didn't trash the place. Simply receiving welfare isn't a warning sign of dirtbaggery. The most thorough trashing of rooms or apartments I've ever seen came from people who were employed. One of them-- I'll call him Michelangelo-- painted a nude portrait of himself on the ceiling.

The only connection I've found so far between the way a tenant gets his or her income and whether that tenant is a dirtbag is when the tenant's rent is being paid by family members who live in town. That's a gigantic red flag.

Organizational skills, however, are in my opinion a huge predictor of future tenant reliability.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Playing with Fire UK on February 09, 2017, 06:09:11 AM
We live in a condo with most people renting. Our neighbor is a single 40 year old lady who eats out everyday and has stuff delivered every two or three days. But ends up with late payment notice every few months.

Surely there would be mileage for landlords in making rent due the day after their tenant's payday.

I've found it better to insist on a class of tenants that has enough in the way of organization skills to set aside rent money and keep it. Disorganized tenants cause more damage than they're worth due to other habits of theirs that are extremely hard on buildings.

One of the things landlords can do in Australia is to have rent money paid directly from the government for tenants in receipt of welfare benefits. Having a direct debit from Centrelink means that even if the ratbag tenants trash your place, knock down the walls and burn it to the ground, at least the rent will 100% always be on time.

Agreed with TGS that being a ratbag and being on welfare are not related.

In the UK housing allowance used to be paid straight to landlords. Then they tried to pay it to tenants so that they could get used to managing their money and paying their rent. For some people it worked. For others it was an utter disaster. Landlords were not impressed.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on February 09, 2017, 08:40:15 AM
We live in a condo with most people renting. Our neighbor is a single 40 year old lady who eats out everyday and has stuff delivered every two or three days. But ends up with late payment notice every few months.

Surely there would be mileage for landlords in making rent due the day after their tenant's payday.

I've found it better to insist on a class of tenants that has enough in the way of organization skills to set aside rent money and keep it. Disorganized tenants cause more damage than they're worth due to other habits of theirs that are extremely hard on buildings.

One of the things landlords can do in Australia is to have rent money paid directly from the government for tenants in receipt of welfare benefits. Having a direct debit from Centrelink means that even if the ratbag tenants trash your place, knock down the walls and burn it to the ground, at least the rent will 100% always be on time.

Agreed with TGS that being a ratbag and being on welfare are not related.

In the UK housing allowance used to be paid straight to landlords. Then they tried to pay it to tenants so that they could get used to managing their money and paying their rent. For some people it worked. For others it was an utter disaster. Landlords were not impressed.

The same circumstances that lead to a person being on welfare often contribute to a lack of organizational skills, such as the ability to pay rent on time and clean up after oneself. It can also impair a person's ability to get along with his or her neighbors.

Developmental delays, intellectual limitations, old head injuries, personality disorders, and mental illnesses are all legitimate grounds for receiving government help. But just because a person's getting financial help from the government doesn't mean he or she is capable of living independently and functioning like an adult. Many receive a higher level of aid so that they can live in, say, a nursing home or assisted living facility. In addition, there's a sizable gray area consisting of people who really would be better served in a structured environment such as a group home, if for some reason staying with family isn't an option, but that are living in apartments or rented rooms instead.

It's a very sad state of affairs that the demand for group homes and structured living options exceeds the supply. Nobody wants to go back to the days of abusive, prison-like institutions but at the same time wandering around the neighborhood isn't safe for a person with a deteriorating condition like Alzheimer's.

Generally when staying with family isn't an option, it's because of the level of care and supervision required to interact with that person. That's a politically correct way of saying that the family member's behavior is so unpleasant or egregious that it's a full-time job just to clean up after that person and keep him or her from self destructing. Long-term, people can't live that way.

What I never want to do is to take on a tenant who really needs a higher level of care than I'm willing/able/qualified to provide, or who has a high cost of doing business because of some aspect of their behavior they can't or won't fix. It won't be cash flow positive.

I've got no problem renting to people whose income comes from SSI or Disability, and I find that my single room tenants who are on disability and food stamps can more than qualify for the room rental when the government aid is factored into their income. That's because this is a relatively low cost of living area and I'm renting out a single room and not, say, the entire house. But I won't sign up to be a Section 8 landlord because I'm not prepared to work the business model necessary to cater to the organizationally-impaired. I can easily accommodate a tenant who's missing a leg, who uses a walker or a wheelchair, or who's got visual or auditory impairments. That's a minor change to the layout of the house, at worst. What I cannot deal with is a tenant who jerks me around or who is incapable of holding up his or her end of an agreement. With a Section 8 tenant, that's the demographic. It's not necessarily their fault, and I do agree that they need shelter just as much as the next person, but the only effective way to serve that customer demographic is to set it up in a very structured way with lots of rules and supervision... which I personally don't have the wherewithal to enforce. Doing it any other way results in property damage. Given that I don't have the wherewithal to set up a proper Section 8 operation, I do not believe that I should be required to take on a substantial amount of extra, unnecessary work and heartache while also operating at a financial loss. That's not business.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Vindicated on February 09, 2017, 10:39:14 AM
Posting to follow!

My neighbors across the street moved in last summer.  It appeared to be just one family at first.  However, now, there are definitely at least grown men, and two women that I've seen.  5 cars, none in the garage, which means I have to be careful when I back out.

They aren't loud or anything, they keep up with the yard, and the kids smile and wave if they're outside playing, so I can't complain too much.

It actually makes me wonder if we could get another family to move in and cut our expenses down!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: gardeningandgreen on February 09, 2017, 11:12:33 AM
Ok so this isn't actually my neighbor but it is in my town... https://www.wday.com/news/4189161-small-fire-starts-man-uses-blow-torch-remove-ice-near-his-moorhead-home

I would also like to point out that a fake news story circulates every year about someone doing something like this and this year someone finally actually did it. Great job guys.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MissNancyPryor on February 09, 2017, 02:53:05 PM
following
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: RWD on February 09, 2017, 03:20:50 PM
Our current neighborhood seems a little better than our previous one. In our previous neighborhood there were tons of houses with trucks too big for the garage and nice cars parked in driveways or on the street because of junk in the garage (including a Lotus Esprit!). And then there was the guy that just spent all his time sitting in his garage blaring music into the neighborhood. And would have big front yard parties with his motorcycle buddies, some of whom would rev their bike engine's for minutes at a time...

In our current neighborhood the worst seems to be people that care way too much for their lawn. I've seen a guy with a riding lawnmower on his ~20-foot square patch of front lawn...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: With This Herring on February 09, 2017, 06:19:00 PM
Ok so this isn't actually my neighbor but it is in my town... https://www.wday.com/news/4189161-small-fire-starts-man-uses-blow-torch-remove-ice-near-his-moorhead-home

I would also like to point out that a fake news story circulates every year about someone doing something like this and this year someone finally actually did it. Great job guys.

I am glad you guys are now safe from the Moorhead Fire Department.  ;)
Quote from: WDAY News
The Moorhead Fire Department was able to put out the small fire within a half an hour and is no longer a danger to the homeowner or neighbors.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BlueHouse on February 10, 2017, 11:37:01 AM
Any time a house juts up above the adjacent homes by more than one story, or is set noticeably closer to the street, it kind of draws attention to itself. It's like an erection in math class. You don't want to look at it, you don't want to acknowledge its presence, but it can't help but attract notice.

please, please google "the v street middle finger".  It's the most hated house modification in Washington DC. and has been the cause of many resident fights and zoning changes.  It's referenced in almost every briefing of "what not to do"
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BlueHouse on February 10, 2017, 11:52:41 AM
I get so confused when I watch American TV househunter like shows and there is no fence and no clothes line. more so the no fence, but its all so weird

Don't you think it would be kind of creepy to have a completely unfenced backyard? It's bad enough being able to see over my side fence into the neighbour's backyard at various points along the property line, NO WAY would I want to have an unfenced yard... I don't even like unfenced front yards!

I live in Washington DC and our public design manuals and property laws were created a few centuries ago.  In most parts of the "old city" in DC, no one actually owns their front yards.  In fact, I have a bay front victorian and the entire portion of that bay is on city-owned property.  The city allows residents to use that land and in return, we are responsible for maintaining it (decent landscape, shoveling snow, etc).  To put up a small ornamental iron fence, I had to get a permit to use public space.

One of the stranger rules is for homes with driveways -- not allowed to park in driveways in front of homes because it messes up the view of the street for the rest of the people. DC planners looked at these front yards as part of the public parks system, for everyone's enjoyment.  So we're not even allowed to grow hedges over 42 inches in the front yards! 
I know it's weird and very difficult to accept if you're not used to it (I wasn't), but once you understand the reason (and it's limited to the old city), it's really kind of pretty and you appreciate the history behind it.  It also makes me appreciate my walks more because I share a secret with the original designers of this city.   Long stretches of greenery and nature down every block. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Vindicated on February 10, 2017, 11:57:46 AM
I get so confused when I watch American TV househunter like shows and there is no fence and no clothes line. more so the no fence, but its all so weird

Don't you think it would be kind of creepy to have a completely unfenced backyard? It's bad enough being able to see over my side fence into the neighbour's backyard at various points along the property line, NO WAY would I want to have an unfenced yard... I don't even like unfenced front yards!

I live in Washington DC and our public design manuals and property laws were created a few centuries ago.  In most parts of the "old city" in DC, no one actually owns their front yards.  In fact, I have a bay front victorian and the entire portion of that bay is on city-owned property.  The city allows residents to use that land and in return, we are responsible for maintaining it (decent landscape, shoveling snow, etc).  To put up a small ornamental iron fence, I had to get a permit to use public space.

One of the stranger rules is for homes with driveways -- not allowed to park in driveways in front of homes because it messes up the view of the street for the rest of the people. DC planners looked at these front yards as part of the public parks system, for everyone's enjoyment.  So we're not even allowed to grow hedges over 42 inches in the front yards! 
I know it's weird and very difficult to accept if you're not used to it (I wasn't), but once you understand the reason (and it's limited to the old city), it's really kind of pretty and you appreciate the history behind it.  It also makes me appreciate my walks more because I share a secret with the original designers of this city.   Long stretches of greenery and nature down every block.

That sounds like a beautiful place to live.

I'd love to be able to walk down my sidewalk and seeing beautifully landscaped homes everywhere.  Instead, I can't walk without cars blocking the sidewalk, because they didn't pull into their drive way all the way, or there are two cars in one spot.  There is a HOA rule against this, but I'd say 15% of the homes block the sidewalk at times.  *sigh*
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on February 10, 2017, 12:03:11 PM
As much as I like cars (car enthusiast here) - I wouldn't mind living some place where they were unnecessary and not such an dominant part of the landscape.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on February 17, 2017, 12:06:38 AM
I am glad you guys are now safe from the Moorhead Fire Department.  ;)
Quote from: WDAY News
The Moorhead Fire Department was able to put out the small fire within a half an hour and is no longer a danger to the homeowner or neighbors.
Ha!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: paddedhat on February 19, 2017, 07:04:03 PM
I get so confused when I watch American TV househunter like shows and there is no fence and no clothes line. more so the no fence, but its all so weird

Don't you think it would be kind of creepy to have a completely unfenced backyard? It's bad enough being able to see over my side fence into the neighbour's backyard at various points along the property line, NO WAY would I want to have an unfenced yard... I don't even like unfenced front yards!

LOL. I just bought a single family home a few weeks back, here in the states. There isn't a fence anywhere, and there never will be one. The backyard looks down a valley, for miles. The view of rolling hills and farmland is like a postcard, and a major factor in quickly grabbing the place, and buying it, literally hours after it was first listed. The folks we meet in the area ask where we moved to, and then comment about how lucky we got to score a house where we did, because of the view. (which would be lost with a fence)  Interesting how different culture are. In many towns in this area, not only do you need permits to put fences up, they are very restricted, in height, design and placement, or flat out denied, often to protect your neighbors from getting "walled in" and losing the open feeling that is so common here. The community we  moved from had a rule of no fences at all, period.

 As for wash lines, I'm pretty sure that we moved to the wash line capital of North America. There are 30K+ Amish in the area, and they are real serious about line drying. They typically have long line that travels between two pullies. One attached to the porch, the other can be 100 feet away, and thirty feet up the side of a barn, or on a "telephone pole" planted just to hold the line up. A tour of the neighborhood on "wash day" features their famous black outfits, colorful dresses and shirts, and the usual underwear and sheets being clipped to the line, and then pulled high up and away from the porch, as the farm women add more. Doesn't matter if it's 25*F and snowing, or a perfect day for hanging wash, it still gets hung.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: RetiredAt63 on February 26, 2017, 02:48:38 PM

 As for wash lines, I'm pretty sure that we moved to the wash line capital of North America. There are 30K+ Amish in the area, and they are real serious about line drying. They typically have long line that travels between two pullies. One attached to the porch, the other can be 100 feet away, and thirty feet up the side of a barn, or on a "telephone pole" planted just to hold the line up.

You have described my clothes line.  I stand on my back deck to hang out the wash, one pulley is attached to the house and the other is high up on a telephone pole (only purpose is to hold my clothes line) at the back of the lot.  Rural area, we all have backyard clothes lines.  I don't use it a lot in winter though, since clothes freeze instead of drying, and I am afraid of breaking fibres when I take them off the line.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: economista on February 28, 2017, 08:58:54 AM

I'd love to be able to walk down my sidewalk and seeing beautifully landscaped homes everywhere.  Instead, I can't walk without cars blocking the sidewalk, because they didn't pull into their drive way all the way, or there are two cars in one spot.  There is a HOA rule against this, but I'd say 15% of the homes block the sidewalk at times.  *sigh*

This is one of my fiance's biggest irritations.  He is visually impaired and in low light environments (so in the evening or at night) he is completely blind and has to walk with a cane.  When cars are blocking the side walk he has to go around them, which often means stepping into the street, which is ridiculously dangerous on busier streets.  Luckily the cane finds the cars before his shins do, but it's still a jerk move to park your car that way.  Also, he has the ability to physically walk around the car but those who are in wheel chairs don't - they are just stuck if their wheel chairs don't have the ability to go off the side walk and around the car.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BlueHouse on March 01, 2017, 08:30:13 AM

I'd love to be able to walk down my sidewalk and seeing beautifully landscaped homes everywhere.  Instead, I can't walk without cars blocking the sidewalk, because they didn't pull into their drive way all the way, or there are two cars in one spot.  There is a HOA rule against this, but I'd say 15% of the homes block the sidewalk at times.  *sigh*

This is one of my fiance's biggest irritations.  He is visually impaired and in low light environments (so in the evening or at night) he is completely blind and has to walk with a cane.  When cars are blocking the side walk he has to go around them, which often means stepping into the street, which is ridiculously dangerous on busier streets.  Luckily the cane finds the cars before his shins do, but it's still a jerk move to park your car that way.  Also, he has the ability to physically walk around the car but those who are in wheel chairs don't - they are just stuck if their wheel chairs don't have the ability to go off the side walk and around the car.
I know this is passive-aggressive, but I report cars to the police immediately when they block access to sidewalks or crosswalks, sidewalk ramps, etc.   I have  ZERO tolerance for someone who is too fucking lazy to do the right thing and ends up making life that much harder for a disabled person.  Now for the aggressive-aggressive part:  I also advocate that anyone who is not disabled but who parks in handicapped parking should have one ankle hobbled (think Kathy Bates in Misery).  Second offense is the other ankle.   Honestly, this is not something that ever gets done "by accident" so I think the punishment should be very severe. 
Sorry for the rant, this stuff just makes me lose it.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Vindicated on March 01, 2017, 08:48:38 AM
ow for the aggressive-aggressive part:  I also advocate that anyone who is not disabled but who parks in handicapped parking should have one ankle hobbled (think Kathy Bates in Misery). Second offense is the other ankle.   Honestly, this is not something that ever gets done "by accident" so I think the punishment should be very severe. 
Sorry for the rant, this stuff just makes me lose it.

I fully understand your frustration.

I assume there will be no second offense, since the person, now hobbled, will be fully qualified for that handicapped spot :)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on March 01, 2017, 10:51:25 AM

I'd love to be able to walk down my sidewalk and seeing beautifully landscaped homes everywhere.  Instead, I can't walk without cars blocking the sidewalk, because they didn't pull into their drive way all the way, or there are two cars in one spot.  There is a HOA rule against this, but I'd say 15% of the homes block the sidewalk at times.  *sigh*

This is one of my fiance's biggest irritations.  He is visually impaired and in low light environments (so in the evening or at night) he is completely blind and has to walk with a cane.  When cars are blocking the side walk he has to go around them, which often means stepping into the street, which is ridiculously dangerous on busier streets.  Luckily the cane finds the cars before his shins do, but it's still a jerk move to park your car that way.  Also, he has the ability to physically walk around the car but those who are in wheel chairs don't - they are just stuck if their wheel chairs don't have the ability to go off the side walk and around the car.
I know this is passive-aggressive, but I report cars to the police immediately when they block access to sidewalks or crosswalks, sidewalk ramps, etc.   I have  ZERO tolerance for someone who is too fucking lazy to do the right thing and ends up making life that much harder for a disabled person.  Now for the aggressive-aggressive part:  I also advocate that anyone who is not disabled but who parks in handicapped parking should have one ankle hobbled (think Kathy Bates in Misery).  Second offense is the other ankle.   Honestly, this is not something that ever gets done "by accident" so I think the punishment should be very severe. 
Sorry for the rant, this stuff just makes me lose it.

I have a coworker who has a handicapped tag (single, older) and uses it daily here at work. Also tells me about cutting down trees, splitting the wood, and stacking firewood - among other frontier like tasks. My grandmother used to encourage me to drive her car on errands for her so I could make use of her tag and park up front.

Ahh, no.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Canadian in KS on March 01, 2017, 11:47:17 AM

I'd love to be able to walk down my sidewalk and seeing beautifully landscaped homes everywhere.  Instead, I can't walk without cars blocking the sidewalk, because they didn't pull into their drive way all the way, or there are two cars in one spot.  There is a HOA rule against this, but I'd say 15% of the homes block the sidewalk at times.  *sigh*

This is one of my fiance's biggest irritations.  He is visually impaired and in low light environments (so in the evening or at night) he is completely blind and has to walk with a cane.  When cars are blocking the side walk he has to go around them, which often means stepping into the street, which is ridiculously dangerous on busier streets.  Luckily the cane finds the cars before his shins do, but it's still a jerk move to park your car that way.  Also, he has the ability to physically walk around the car but those who are in wheel chairs don't - they are just stuck if their wheel chairs don't have the ability to go off the side walk and around the car.
I know this is passive-aggressive, but I report cars to the police immediately when they block access to sidewalks or crosswalks, sidewalk ramps, etc.   I have  ZERO tolerance for someone who is too fucking lazy to do the right thing and ends up making life that much harder for a disabled person.  Now for the aggressive-aggressive part:  I also advocate that anyone who is not disabled but who parks in handicapped parking should have one ankle hobbled (think Kathy Bates in Misery).  Second offense is the other ankle.   Honestly, this is not something that ever gets done "by accident" so I think the punishment should be very severe. 
Sorry for the rant, this stuff just makes me lose it.

This drives me crazy too! When I'm pushing my toddler in the stroller and my kindergartener is on his scooter a few paces ahead of me and we come up to a car blocking the sidewalk, we all have to go out onto the (sometimes busy) street to get around the car. It's dangerous!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on March 01, 2017, 01:09:16 PM
Sidewalks seem like a nice idea... ;)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on March 02, 2017, 02:41:34 AM
ow for the aggressive-aggressive part:  I also advocate that anyone who is not disabled but who parks in handicapped parking should have one ankle hobbled (think Kathy Bates in Misery). Second offense is the other ankle.   Honestly, this is not something that ever gets done "by accident" so I think the punishment should be very severe. 
Sorry for the rant, this stuff just makes me lose it.

I fully understand your frustration.

I assume there will be no second offense, since the person, now hobbled, will be fully qualified for that handicapped spot :)

Broken ankles heal. You'd just want it to be enough for a few weeks of inconvenience so they can understand people's pain. But your also have to tag their car with something so they couldn't park in the disabled space and had to hobble on crutches from the other end of the car park.

I have seen big car parks with disabled spaces in prime position and then "family" spaces (painted with a buggy sign) nearby. I think it's a nice idea. Us able-bodied adults can walk a few extra seconds no problem, but hauling a car full of children can get tiring quickly. Maybe it would also cut accidents as the too-short-to-be-seen and not-understanding-car-safety children wouldn't have to walk across so much car park.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Friar on March 02, 2017, 03:57:23 AM
ow for the aggressive-aggressive part:  I also advocate that anyone who is not disabled but who parks in handicapped parking should have one ankle hobbled (think Kathy Bates in Misery). Second offense is the other ankle.   Honestly, this is not something that ever gets done "by accident" so I think the punishment should be very severe. 
Sorry for the rant, this stuff just makes me lose it.

I fully understand your frustration.

I assume there will be no second offense, since the person, now hobbled, will be fully qualified for that handicapped spot :)

Broken ankles heal. You'd just want it to be enough for a few weeks of inconvenience so they can understand people's pain. But your also have to tag their car with something so they couldn't park in the disabled space and had to hobble on crutches from the other end of the car park.

I have seen big car parks with disabled spaces in prime position and then "family" spaces (painted with a buggy sign) nearby. I think it's a nice idea. Us able-bodied adults can walk a few extra seconds no problem, but hauling a car full of children can get tiring quickly. Maybe it would also cut accidents as the too-short-to-be-seen and not-understanding-car-safety children wouldn't have to walk across so much car park.

I generally park as far from the entrance of a location as the car park allows me. It's usually the quietest and allows me to get a bit more exercise so that my FitBit doesn't grumble at me.

The 'disabled' and 'parent and child' spots are great when situated close to the entrance, as you say. The problem comes when I see people who are neither disabled, nor have children with them, parked in the bays. I've found that it's either pimped up Corsas or luxury vehicles that occupy these spaces "illegally" which speaks volumes about the sense of entitlement some people have.

On a side topic, what is the term for doing something "illegal" that isn't actually against the law but merely against the conditions. Like, for example, parking in a parent & child space when not with a child.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: rockstache on March 02, 2017, 08:53:57 AM
I'm not going to comment on how deplorable it is for people to park in a spot for disabled people when they have no disability. But I will put out a friendly reminder that not all handicaps are outwardly visible. When it is a stranger in a parking lot, it's generally better not to judge. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Fomerly known as something on March 02, 2017, 12:19:10 PM
I'm not going to comment on how deplorable it is for people to park in a spot for disabled people when they have no disability. But I will put out a friendly reminder that not all handicaps are outwardly visible. When it is a stranger in a parking lot, it's generally better not to judge.

This.  My Dad recently suffered a leg injury.  For the first two months he was visibly disabled.  Now he is closer to normal but has a temporary tag until May.  I was defiantly feeling a bit paranoid about others thoughts last weekend when I was visiting and we parked in Handicap spots because of Dad's leg. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Mezzie on March 02, 2017, 08:34:17 PM
I'm not going to comment on how deplorable it is for people to park in a spot for disabled people when they have no disability. But I will put out a friendly reminder that not all handicaps are outwardly visible. When it is a stranger in a parking lot, it's generally better not to judge.

Thank you. My disability is rarely visible, but the pain is always there.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on March 02, 2017, 08:43:04 PM
I'm not going to comment on how deplorable it is for people to park in a spot for disabled people when they have no disability. But I will put out a friendly reminder that not all handicaps are outwardly visible. When it is a stranger in a parking lot, it's generally better not to judge.

Thank you. My disability is rarely visible, but the pain is always there.
Yeah, i usually figure if they're parked there, its for good reason.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: ozbeach on March 02, 2017, 11:10:25 PM
I get so confused when I watch American TV househunter like shows and there is no fence and no clothes line. more so the no fence, but its all so weird

Don't you think it would be kind of creepy to have a completely unfenced backyard? It's bad enough being able to see over my side fence into the neighbour's backyard at various points along the property line, NO WAY would I want to have an unfenced yard... I don't even like unfenced front yards!

I live in Washington DC and our public design manuals and property laws were created a few centuries ago.  In most parts of the "old city" in DC, no one actually owns their front yards.  In fact, I have a bay front victorian and the entire portion of that bay is on city-owned property.  The city allows residents to use that land and in return, we are responsible for maintaining it (decent landscape, shoveling snow, etc).  To put up a small ornamental iron fence, I had to get a permit to use public space.

One of the stranger rules is for homes with driveways -- not allowed to park in driveways in front of homes because it messes up the view of the street for the rest of the people. DC planners looked at these front yards as part of the public parks system, for everyone's enjoyment.  So we're not even allowed to grow hedges over 42 inches in the front yards! 
I know it's weird and very difficult to accept if you're not used to it (I wasn't), but once you understand the reason (and it's limited to the old city), it's really kind of pretty and you appreciate the history behind it.  It also makes me appreciate my walks more because I share a secret with the original designers of this city.   Long stretches of greenery and nature down every block.

I grew up in Canberra, Australia which is a planned city, and had these same regulations (no front fences allowed, shrubs with permission but only to a certain height). I still find front fences weird.

Also, I think everywhere in Australia the local council retains ownership of the front part of the property (what we call the nature-strip) and they run services underground there or put in footpaths, lights etc. Typically this would be about 2 or 3 metres.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Friar on March 03, 2017, 12:57:44 AM
I'm not going to comment on how deplorable it is for people to park in a spot for disabled people when they have no disability. But I will put out a friendly reminder that not all handicaps are outwardly visible. When it is a stranger in a parking lot, it's generally better not to judge.

I completely agree. In order to park in a disabled bay in the UK you need a disabled permit that you display in the windscreen of your car.

For those parking there that I mentioned previously this is not there.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Linea_Norway on March 03, 2017, 01:09:28 AM
I'm not going to comment on how deplorable it is for people to park in a spot for disabled people when they have no disability. But I will put out a friendly reminder that not all handicaps are outwardly visible. When it is a stranger in a parking lot, it's generally better not to judge.

I completely agree. In order to park in a disabled bay in the UK you need a disabled permit that you display in the windscreen of your car.

For those parking there that I mentioned previously this is not there.

My husband had earlier some tickets in his car that made it clear that disabled places are only meant for disabled people. He used to put those on the windscreen of cars without a disabled permit parked in such a place. I think this helps a bit. Some of the people who park illegally in such places just hope that they can do so unnoticed and this ticket made it very clear that it was noticed and not appreciated.

Something like this:
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Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on March 03, 2017, 02:22:21 AM
I'm not going to comment on how deplorable it is for people to park in a spot for disabled people when they have no disability. But I will put out a friendly reminder that not all handicaps are outwardly visible. When it is a stranger in a parking lot, it's generally better not to judge.

Absolutely agree, but in the UK we have the Blue Badge system. If you're not displaying a blue badge, you 99.9999% shouldn't be there. (My grandmother has one because she's 90 with a cane and a heart condition. My mother had to make her get it after she realised she couldn't walk to the supermarket from the far end of the car park without having a ten minute rest halfway. I'm still convinced Granny doesn't use it when we're not there because she doesn't think she deserves it.)

Also, does anyone here report it? If so, who to?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Friar on March 03, 2017, 09:39:35 AM
I'm not going to comment on how deplorable it is for people to park in a spot for disabled people when they have no disability. But I will put out a friendly reminder that not all handicaps are outwardly visible. When it is a stranger in a parking lot, it's generally better not to judge.

Absolutely agree, but in the UK we have the Blue Badge system. If you're not displaying a blue badge, you 99.9999% shouldn't be there. (My grandmother has one because she's 90 with a cane and a heart condition. My mother had to make her get it after she realised she couldn't walk to the supermarket from the far end of the car park without having a ten minute rest halfway. I'm still convinced Granny doesn't use it when we're not there because she doesn't think she deserves it.)

Also, does anyone here report it? If so, who to?

I also have the feeling that those who need it most generally don't use them.

Regarding your reporting question, I have not reported people for this and have no clue where I would do so. The "problem" is that there are typically quite a few disabled bays which means that, even with the illegal* parking, there are plenty of spaces available. This makes me feel like a complaint wouldn't be taken seriously. It's also likely to be the justification the people parking there tell themselves.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on March 03, 2017, 10:04:58 AM
I'm not going to comment on how deplorable it is for people to park in a spot for disabled people when they have no disability. But I will put out a friendly reminder that not all handicaps are outwardly visible. When it is a stranger in a parking lot, it's generally better not to judge.

Absolutely agree, but in the UK we have the Blue Badge system. If you're not displaying a blue badge, you 99.9999% shouldn't be there. (My grandmother has one because she's 90 with a cane and a heart condition. My mother had to make her get it after she realised she couldn't walk to the supermarket from the far end of the car park without having a ten minute rest halfway. I'm still convinced Granny doesn't use it when we're not there because she doesn't think she deserves it.)

Also, does anyone here report it? If so, who to?

We have the same system, and I've only reported it once for a chronic offender at my apartment complex (dude basically thought it was his private parking spot -- if he had a hidden disability then he had months to get the plaque, and notably he stopped parking there after the first ticket).  The fines are pretty big here and the police love getting that sweet fine money.  They might not send someone right away, but if your city is big enough to have a parking division they will swing by
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on March 04, 2017, 09:33:09 AM
I'm not going to comment on how deplorable it is for people to park in a spot for disabled people when they have no disability. But I will put out a friendly reminder that not all handicaps are outwardly visible. When it is a stranger in a parking lot, it's generally better not to judge.

I completely agree. In order to park in a disabled bay in the UK you need a disabled permit that you display in the windscreen of your car.

For those parking there that I mentioned previously this is not there.

I normally feel the same way - if you park there then there is a reason. However I know this guy well enough to say he is very physically active at work and home. Lifting, walking, carrying, etc. Someone mentioned that he has a disabled relative that occasionally stays with him. Occasionally. He has a handicapped tag full time and makes use of it even when alone.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on March 06, 2017, 04:25:43 AM
I'm not going to comment on how deplorable it is for people to park in a spot for disabled people when they have no disability. But I will put out a friendly reminder that not all handicaps are outwardly visible. When it is a stranger in a parking lot, it's generally better not to judge.

I completely agree. In order to park in a disabled bay in the UK you need a disabled permit that you display in the windscreen of your car.

For those parking there that I mentioned previously this is not there.

I normally feel the same way - if you park there then there is a reason. However I know this guy well enough to say he is very physically active at work and home. Lifting, walking, carrying, etc. Someone mentioned that he has a disabled relative that occasionally stays with him. Occasionally. He has a handicapped tag full time and makes use of it even when alone.
I've always felt it was only deplorable if by parking there one is denying a person with limited mobility the spot. If an apartment complex, say, has three reserved spots and zero limited mobility residents, it doesn't hurt me if some jerk off takes up one regularly. There are still two for the incredibly unlikely event of limited-mobility guests arriving.

If jerk-off parks in the spot at a store or a hospital or another place that has a much higher usage of its reserved parking spaces, that is completely fine worthy, though naturally harder to prove.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Vindicated on March 06, 2017, 06:16:35 AM
I normally feel the same way - if you park there then there is a reason. However I know this guy well enough to say he is very physically active at work and home. Lifting, walking, carrying, etc. Someone mentioned that he has a disabled relative that occasionally stays with him. Occasionally. He has a handicapped tag full time and makes use of it even when alone.

My Brother uses his handicap tag regularly, and doesn't appear to need it to someone that doesn't know him.  He has ankle/shoulder problems due to injuries while serving in the military, and is considered a Disabled Veteran.  So, he walks with a limp, but he does somewhat physical work, and is an avid bowler.  So, I'm on the fence whether he needs it or not.  I just try not to judge him negatively for it.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on March 06, 2017, 11:17:06 AM

I've always felt it was only deplorable if by parking there one is denying a person with limited mobility the spot. If an apartment complex, say, has three reserved spots and zero limited mobility residents, it doesn't hurt me if some jerk off takes up one regularly. There are still two for the incredibly unlikely event of limited-mobility guests arriving.

If jerk-off parks in the spot at a store or a hospital or another place that has a much higher usage of its reserved parking spaces, that is completely fine worthy, though naturally harder to prove.

You can't know in advance whether someone will need it.  Surprise, disabled people often have disabled friends.  Three might arrive at the same time.

Even if it was guaranteed not to be used, jerk-off should split use of the spot with everyone else in the complex.  Unilaterally annexing the space is a dick move no matter what.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on March 06, 2017, 02:50:02 PM

I've always felt it was only deplorable if by parking there one is denying a person with limited mobility the spot. If an apartment complex, say, has three reserved spots and zero limited mobility residents, it doesn't hurt me if some jerk off takes up one regularly. There are still two for the incredibly unlikely event of limited-mobility guests arriving.

If jerk-off parks in the spot at a store or a hospital or another place that has a much higher usage of its reserved parking spaces, that is completely fine worthy, though naturally harder to prove.

You can't know in advance whether someone will need it.  Surprise, disabled people often have disabled friends.  Three might arrive at the same time.

Even if it was guaranteed not to be used, jerk-off should split use of the spot with everyone else in the complex.  Unilaterally annexing the space is a dick move no matter what.

Agreed. If the building doesn't need that many disabled spaces they can paint some out.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Chris22 on March 06, 2017, 03:04:13 PM
The US has some pretty aggressive ADA-based laws regarding number of parking spaces that are for handicapped that don't always make a lot of sense.  I worked for a small business that had no handicapped employees and had very few visitors, yet we had two handicapped spaces out front Just Because.  Plus all the handicapped spaces you see out in front of gyms or other places obviously geared towards the non-handicapped.  I don't begrudge anyone who needs one a spot (I've spent enough time on crutches due to sports injuries to understand) but I think the law can be a little over-prescriptive on this.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on March 06, 2017, 03:18:22 PM
The US has some pretty aggressive ADA-based laws regarding number of parking spaces that are for handicapped that don't always make a lot of sense.  I worked for a small business that had no handicapped employees and had very few visitors, yet we had two handicapped spaces out front Just Because.  Plus all the handicapped spaces you see out in front of gyms or other places obviously geared towards the non-handicapped.  I don't begrudge anyone who needs one a spot (I've spent enough time on crutches due to sports injuries to understand) but I think the law can be a little over-prescriptive on this.

And you'll probably never have a disabled employee if they can't make it in to the interview.  Gyms typically have office workers, too.  In fact people recovering from injury can use many gym facilities to aid recovery.  You are ridiculous
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Chris22 on March 06, 2017, 03:22:16 PM
The US has some pretty aggressive ADA-based laws regarding number of parking spaces that are for handicapped that don't always make a lot of sense.  I worked for a small business that had no handicapped employees and had very few visitors, yet we had two handicapped spaces out front Just Because.  Plus all the handicapped spaces you see out in front of gyms or other places obviously geared towards the non-handicapped.  I don't begrudge anyone who needs one a spot (I've spent enough time on crutches due to sports injuries to understand) but I think the law can be a little over-prescriptive on this.

And you'll probably never have a disabled employee if they can't make it in to the interview.  Gyms typically have office workers, too.  In fact people recovering from injury can use many gym facilities to aid recovery.  You are ridiculous

Let me be more specific; there seems to be some rule associating capacity of a building with number of handicapped spaces.  So if you have one of those massive Lifetime Fitness buildings or something, you end up with an equally huge number of handicapped spaces outside.  Do they need SOME?  Probably, sure.  Do they need a dozen?  Probably not.  Same with the small business, there were <20 people there.  We had plenty of parking in a relatively small, level lot.  It was also a sports-related company.  We didn't need two handicapped spaces.  In fact, we had them clearly marked, etc, but just treated them as normal spots. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: AlanStache on March 06, 2017, 03:30:24 PM
The US has some pretty aggressive ADA-based laws regarding number of parking spaces that are for handicapped that don't always make a lot of sense.  I worked for a small business that had no handicapped employees and had very few visitors, yet we had two handicapped spaces out front Just Because.  Plus all the handicapped spaces you see out in front of gyms or other places obviously geared towards the non-handicapped.  I don't begrudge anyone who needs one a spot (I've spent enough time on crutches due to sports injuries to understand) but I think the law can be a little over-prescriptive on this.

And you'll probably never have a disabled employee if they can't make it in to the interview.  Gyms typically have office workers, too.  In fact people recovering from injury can use many gym facilities to aid recovery.  You are ridiculous

Let me be more specific; there seems to be some rule associating capacity of a building with number of handicapped spaces.  So if you have one of those massive Lifetime Fitness buildings or something, you end up with an equally huge number of handicapped spaces outside.  Do they need SOME?  Probably, sure.  Do they need a dozen?  Probably not.  Same with the small business, there were <20 people there.  We had plenty of parking in a relatively small, level lot.  It was also a sports-related company.  We didn't need two handicapped spaces.  In fact, we had them clearly marked, etc, but just treated them as normal spots.

dozens?  handicap spot count is a function of the number of regular spaces. 
https://adata.org/factsheet/parking (https://adata.org/factsheet/parking)
To get 24 handy cap spots a parking lot would need 2400 other spaces.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: paddedhat on March 06, 2017, 05:35:01 PM
The US has some pretty aggressive ADA-based laws regarding number of parking spaces that are for handicapped that don't always make a lot of sense.  I worked for a small business that had no handicapped employees and had very few visitors, yet we had two handicapped spaces out front Just Because.  Plus all the handicapped spaces you see out in front of gyms or other places obviously geared towards the non-handicapped.  I don't begrudge anyone who needs one a spot (I've spent enough time on crutches due to sports injuries to understand) but I think the law can be a little over-prescriptive on this.

And you'll probably never have a disabled employee if they can't make it in to the interview.  Gyms typically have office workers, too.  In fact people recovering from injury can use many gym facilities to aid recovery.  You are ridiculous

Let me be more specific; there seems to be some rule associating capacity of a building with number of handicapped spaces.  So if you have one of those massive Lifetime Fitness buildings or something, you end up with an equally huge number of handicapped spaces outside.  Do they need SOME?  Probably, sure.  Do they need a dozen?  Probably not.  Same with the small business, there were <20 people there.  We had plenty of parking in a relatively small, level lot.  It was also a sports-related company.  We didn't need two handicapped spaces.  In fact, we had them clearly marked, etc, but just treated them as normal spots.

dozens?  handicap spot count is a function of the number of regular spaces. 
https://adata.org/factsheet/parking (https://adata.org/factsheet/parking)
To get 24 handy cap spots a parking lot would need 2400 other spaces.

The problem with your 24/2400 is that you assign a defined ratio based on a government requirement. In fact, the link listed these figures as "required minimums". My wife is severely disabled. It's not uncommon for us to find places like a Walmart  with thirty or more spaces, and they certainly do not have 3000+ total spaces. Now if we are talking about huning for said spaces, while wintering in Florida, it's all a theory anyway, since, unless it's 2 AM, every one will be legitimately filled, EVERY hour the business is open, LOL.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on March 06, 2017, 07:04:29 PM

I've always felt it was only deplorable if by parking there one is denying a person with limited mobility the spot. If an apartment complex, say, has three reserved spots and zero limited mobility residents, it doesn't hurt me if some jerk off takes up one regularly. There are still two for the incredibly unlikely event of limited-mobility guests arriving.

If jerk-off parks in the spot at a store or a hospital or another place that has a much higher usage of its reserved parking spaces, that is completely fine worthy, though naturally harder to prove.

You can't know in advance whether someone will need it.  Surprise, disabled people often have disabled friends.  Three might arrive at the same time.

Even if it was guaranteed not to be used, jerk-off should split use of the spot with everyone else in the complex.  Unilaterally annexing the space is a dick move no matter what.

Pretty much everyone has disabled friends and family members.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Linea_Norway on March 07, 2017, 01:30:05 AM
Let me be more specific; there seems to be some rule associating capacity of a building with number of handicapped spaces.  So if you have one of those massive Lifetime Fitness buildings or something, you end up with an equally huge number of handicapped spaces outside.  Do they need SOME?  Probably, sure.  Do they need a dozen?  Probably not.  Same with the small business, there were <20 people there.  We had plenty of parking in a relatively small, level lot.  It was also a sports-related company.  We didn't need two handicapped spaces.  In fact, we had them clearly marked, etc, but just treated them as normal spots.

If you think there are too many disabled parking places, you should request them to be transformed into normal places. That is what I (and some others) did at work. We have no disabled people working here and several disabled places that took up space and where normal cars were parking. We requested them to be transformed. They did and made a new disabled parking place in the fron of the building, beside the entrance. At the back we now have an extra parking place for the rest of us. Good solution.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: HairyUpperLip on March 07, 2017, 07:46:55 AM
The US has some pretty aggressive ADA-based laws regarding number of parking spaces that are for handicapped that don't always make a lot of sense.  I worked for a small business that had no handicapped employees and had very few visitors, yet we had two handicapped spaces out front Just Because.  Plus all the handicapped spaces you see out in front of gyms or other places obviously geared towards the non-handicapped.  I don't begrudge anyone who needs one a spot (I've spent enough time on crutches due to sports injuries to understand) but I think the law can be a little over-prescriptive on this.

And you'll probably never have a disabled employee if they can't make it in to the interview.  Gyms typically have office workers, too.  In fact people recovering from injury can use many gym facilities to aid recovery.  You are ridiculous

hahaha - I still think Chris22 is on here to troll everyone. I'll never get over the fact this guy drives his car to the bus stop.

Come on man, you can't be that dense? Do you really think everyone who parks in a handicap spot is supposed to be a white stick man in a wheel chair?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Chris22 on March 07, 2017, 07:56:13 AM
hahaha - I still think Chris22 is on here to troll everyone. I'll never get over the fact this guy drives his car to the bus stop.

I what now?  I don't take the bus.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BlueHouse on March 07, 2017, 09:03:03 AM
I'm not going to comment on how deplorable it is for people to park in a spot for disabled people when they have no disability. But I will put out a friendly reminder that not all handicaps are outwardly visible. When it is a stranger in a parking lot, it's generally better not to judge.
This is why I do not carry my sledgehammer around with me. 


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Also, does anyone here report it? If so, who to?

I do report, especially on street parking where parking is severely limited and where forcing someone off the sidewalk into the street can be dangerous.  There is an app called "311" and it is available for a bunch of different cities.  In WDC, it feeds right into the District's official 311 system.  You can report everything from a tree needing help from the city arborist to illegal parking to uncollected recycling to parking meters not working to roadkill, and many other things.  You can take photos and include those in your report.  You can report anonymously if you wish.  For something time sensitive, you can also call 311 and report whatever issue you're having so they will send someone immediately.  On rare occasions, I have called the police directly and requested patrol come out to ticket (car was blocking my driveway and I couldn't get to work --- only with a ticket will the city tow.  So I needed the ticket in order to get out of my garage)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: AlanStache on March 07, 2017, 09:09:49 AM
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The problem with your 24/2400 is that you assign a defined ratio based on a government requirement. In fact, the link listed these figures as "required minimums". My wife is severely disabled. It's not uncommon for us to find places like a Walmart  with thirty or more spaces, and they certainly do not have 3000+ total spaces. Now if we are talking about huning for said spaces, while wintering in Florida, it's all a theory anyway, since, unless it's 2 AM, every one will be legitimately filled, EVERY hour the business is open, LOL.

Your issue is the minimum is to low?  I assume it is a hold over from a "pre-bigdata" era where simplicity and ease of application was valued over exactness.  Yes today it would be possible to make county by county requirements based on population age and disability rates etc so that FLA would have higher ratios of handicap spaces than a younger/more mobile area.  Call your congressman, or the Walmart manager.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: jinga nation on March 07, 2017, 10:25:29 AM
The US has some pretty aggressive ADA-based laws regarding number of parking spaces that are for handicapped that don't always make a lot of sense.  I worked for a small business that had no handicapped employees and had very few visitors, yet we had two handicapped spaces out front Just Because.  Plus all the handicapped spaces you see out in front of gyms or other places obviously geared towards the non-handicapped.  I don't begrudge anyone who needs one a spot (I've spent enough time on crutches due to sports injuries to understand) but I think the law can be a little over-prescriptive on this.
I agree with your overall message. I know an internet-based auto wheel dealer who does zero walk-ins and zero in-store retail. His parking lot has 20 regular spots and 2 disabled spots, which are right in front of the door. He's renting the building, but his landlord can't make adjustments to the spots to increase employee parking for his growing business. He has zero disabled employees.

Meanwhile, also here in FL, at my workplace, lots have 10%+ disabled parking. One is over 50%. 90+% are former/current military, all disabled spots are filled up by 0730 daily. Yet many of them do crossfit, adventure sports, etc and are of sound mind and body. I've heard them say that if you apply for disability, you get at least 20%, so why not try. They blame the system for letting them get away for it.

Just because gov mandates something, doesn't mean one blindly follows it.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on March 07, 2017, 11:35:46 AM


Just because gov mandates something, doesn't mean one blindly follows it.

I mean, you can fight it if you want, but you should still follow it.  For the most part, nobody is really hurt by having too many disabled spots.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: jinga nation on March 07, 2017, 12:55:28 PM


Just because gov mandates something, doesn't mean one blindly follows it.

I mean, you can fight it if you want, but you should still follow it.  For the most part, nobody is really hurt by having too many disabled spots.

You have x spots, of which n are disabled. x-n spots for non-disabled.
x-n < y, where y is the number of cars that can use those spots. There aren't any more spots in any other lot.
Most of the n spots are taken up by gov/military who do zero technical work and flap gums.
Most y are contractors, mostly IT and Intel analysts.
As a consequence, my workplace gets a negative rep for insufficient parking. People don't want to work here due to this situation. Govt/Military is aware but won't do anything build overflow parking as it barely affects their personnel.
Thus a major command can't find qualified personnel; the command and ultimately the DoD suffers.
Potentially soldiers may get hurt as there wasn't sufficient IT and intel analysts resources available for them to be successful in their mission.
The reality is that you can build another 200 disabled spots where I work and I can guarantee you that by 0900 they'll be filled up. Coz when everyone qualifies for disability, then its the new normal.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on March 07, 2017, 01:01:31 PM
You have a negative rep for having insufficient parking because you have insufficient parking, not because you have too many disabled spots.  theres really no way to blame regulation on that
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: jinga nation on March 07, 2017, 02:15:03 PM
You have a negative rep for having insufficient parking because you have insufficient parking, not because you have too many disabled spots.  theres really no way to blame regulation on that
I checked with the civil engineering squadron today. Was told they increased disabled parking by 40% in last 5 years. Zero increase for non-disabled. Sad!
Regulations, blah! Apparently they've been requesting funds for years for additional parking, but internal politics is to blame.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: VoteCthulu on March 07, 2017, 03:27:51 PM
I have a neighbor who in some ways is more frugal than I am (he replaced his own roof, installed his own lawn irrigation system, etc.). His weakness appears to be vehicles, though, since he and his wife (no kids) had two cars, an SUV, and a boat when they bought a brand new truck (a showy one with the raised suspension). I asked why they got it, thinking they might be getting rid of they SUV or take it to a monster truck rally, but his answer was "The wife just wanted a truck, so she bought one. I'm going to have to build an addition onto our (3 car) garage so we can store everything." So he did, although he built it 90% by himself.

If I had his ability and motivation for doing home improvement mixed with my spending and investing habits, I could probably have retired 5 years ago.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: paddedhat on March 07, 2017, 05:08:20 PM
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The problem with your 24/2400 is that you assign a defined ratio based on a government requirement. In fact, the link listed these figures as "required minimums". My wife is severely disabled. It's not uncommon for us to find places like a Walmart  with thirty or more spaces, and they certainly do not have 3000+ total spaces. Now if we are talking about huning for said spaces, while wintering in Florida, it's all a theory anyway, since, unless it's 2 AM, every one will be legitimately filled, EVERY hour the business is open, LOL.

Your issue is the minimum is to low?  I assume it is a hold over from a "pre-bigdata" era where simplicity and ease of application was valued over exactness.  Yes today it would be possible to make county by county requirements based on population age and disability rates etc so that FLA would have higher ratios of handicap spaces than a younger/more mobile area.  Call your congressman, or the Walmart manager.

No issues at all, I just caught a comment about needing a 2400 car lot to end up with 24 HC spaces and realized that it just isn't how it works in the real world. The FL. thing just amuses me. We spend 3-4 months there, every winter, and the whole HC spot thing is always a laugh when we go out to any big store. Deep in snowbird country they should probably paint all the lines blue and get it over with. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: zolotiyeruki on March 07, 2017, 05:31:23 PM
At the risk of introducing even more foam into the thread, I'd like to point out that there are also requirements governing the minimum size of parking lots, based not on the expected demand for spaces, but rather on square footage and type of store.  So, for example, even though its parking lot may only reach capacity once per year on Black Friday, a store will still have to install and maintain a lot of a certain size, based on the square footage of the store.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on March 08, 2017, 12:24:35 AM
I finished reading 'Happy City' (the one from MMM's latest blog post) yesterday and it said there are 8 parking spaces for every car in America.

Would it be possible to change the law to include mandated bike parking spaces?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Linea_Norway on March 08, 2017, 01:24:24 AM
I finished reading 'Happy City' (the one from MMM's latest blog post) yesterday and it said there are 8 parking spaces for every car in America.

Would it be possible to change the law to include mandated bike parking spaces?

Here where I live we have an Ikea store. It has hundreds or maybe even a thousand parking places for cars. And less than 10 parking places for bicycles. The bicycle parking is right at the entrance though.

In a typical biking country, like in the Netherlands, Ikea has lot of bicycle parking places. And you can even rent or borrow a  bicycle trolley at Ikea to hang behind your bike.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on March 08, 2017, 03:43:55 AM
I finished reading 'Happy City' (the one from MMM's latest blog post) yesterday and it said there are 8 parking spaces for every car in America.

Would it be possible to change the law to include mandated bike parking spaces?

Here where I live we have an Ikea store. It has hundreds or maybe even a thousand parking places for cars. And less than 10 parking places for bicycles. The bicycle parking is right at the entrance though.

In a typical biking country, like in the Netherlands, Ikea has lot of bicycle parking places. And you can even rent or borrow a  bicycle trolley at Ikea to hang behind your bike.

Can you send them an email or ring them up an ask them to change it? You can fit half a dozen bikes in the space of one car!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Mezzie on March 08, 2017, 06:04:47 AM
The US has some pretty aggressive ADA-based laws regarding number of parking spaces that are for handicapped that don't always make a lot of sense.  I worked for a small business that had no handicapped employees and had very few visitors, yet we had two handicapped spaces out front Just Because.  Plus all the handicapped spaces you see out in front of gyms or other places obviously geared towards the non-handicapped.  I don't begrudge anyone who needs one a spot (I've spent enough time on crutches due to sports injuries to understand) but I think the law can be a little over-prescriptive on this.

I actually started using the gym more frequently post-disability since running, hiking, dancing, and other non-gym exercise is out for me. I need the machines because of my limited mobility, and the pool is my best friend. Considering how it's actually hard for me to get a handicapped spot, I'd venture that I'm far from alone on this.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: slugline on March 08, 2017, 08:58:29 AM
I finished reading 'Happy City' (the one from MMM's latest blog post) yesterday and it said there are 8 parking spaces for every car in America.

Would it be possible to change the law to include mandated bike parking spaces?

Near my house, there's a formerly abandoned shopping center that's been renovated and re-occupied with tenants. It's wonderful to see the blight replaced with commerce, but I wish the parking lot had a legitimate bike rack somewhere onsite. I've tried mentioning the idea to store employees, and while they smile and nod I'm sure they're in no position to make that happen.

Anyone have an idea of what it actually costs a property owner to buy and install a bike rack?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on March 08, 2017, 12:55:50 PM
I finished reading 'Happy City' (the one from MMM's latest blog post) yesterday and it said there are 8 parking spaces for every car in America.

Would it be possible to change the law to include mandated bike parking spaces?

Near my house, there's a formerly abandoned shopping center that's been renovated and re-occupied with tenants. It's wonderful to see the blight replaced with commerce, but I wish the parking lot had a legitimate bike rack somewhere onsite. I've tried mentioning the idea to store employees, and while they smile and nod I'm sure they're in no position to make that happen.

Anyone have an idea of what it actually costs a property owner to buy and install a bike rack?

Yes I do! Looked it up just the other week. Last page of this doc: www.sustrans.org.uk/sites/default/files/images/files/Route-Design-Resources/Cycle-Parking-31-10-14.pdf
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on March 11, 2017, 04:37:26 AM

I've always felt it was only deplorable if by parking there one is denying a person with limited mobility the spot. If an apartment complex, say, has three reserved spots and zero limited mobility residents, it doesn't hurt me if some jerk off takes up one regularly. There are still two for the incredibly unlikely event of limited-mobility guests arriving.

If jerk-off parks in the spot at a store or a hospital or another place that has a much higher usage of its reserved parking spaces, that is completely fine worthy, though naturally harder to prove.

You can't know in advance whether someone will need it.  Surprise, disabled people often have disabled friends.  Three might arrive at the same time.

Even if it was guaranteed not to be used, jerk-off should split use of the spot with everyone else in the complex.  Unilaterally annexing the space is a dick move no matter what.

Agreed. If the building doesn't need that many disabled spaces they can paint some out.
What's the difference if it's painted blue or yellow? If it's not needed, it's not needed. As long as it's not denying someone truly in need, I am not affected by a jerk-off parking two spots closer to the door than I did. Good for them for being more efficient; hardly going to wreck my day.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on March 11, 2017, 04:45:01 AM
I have a neighbor who in some ways is more frugal than I am (he replaced his own roof, installed his own lawn irrigation system, etc.). His weakness appears to be vehicles, though, since he and his wife (no kids) had two cars, an SUV, and a boat when they bought a brand new truck (a showy one with the raised suspension). I asked why they got it, thinking they might be getting rid of they SUV or take it to a monster truck rally, but his answer was "The wife just wanted a truck, so she bought one. I'm going to have to build an addition onto our (3 car) garage so we can store everything." So he did, although he built it 90% by himself.

If I had his ability and motivation for doing home improvement mixed with my spending and investing habits, I could probably have retired 5 years ago.
One should spend on the things that bring one joy. Saving money by building one's own house opens up all kinds of money to use to enjoy nice vehicles. Good for your neighbor for having his priorities straight!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kimera757 on March 11, 2017, 06:35:33 PM
I have a neighbour who is on disability welfare. His disability is caused by physical illness, and welfare pays only a little, so it's not his fault he's poor. Unfortunately, he isn't helping matters by going on spending sprees every month. He does get the stuff cheap, but someone struggling to survive shouldn't be buying so many potted plants and laptop computers that he's not proficient with. Or big screen TVs (he has two). Or... let's just say his apartment is packed with stuff, which he's finally now selling.

We live in an apartment building in a poor neighbourhood, but it's not geared to income, so after rent he only has $200 to $300 per month. He survives by subletting his apartment, selling free health food he gets from the welfare authorities, and by doing balance transfers on his credit cards, until he couldn't afford the minimum payment on the current 0% interest card. His last "tenants" left in disgust due to him being a slob. This is a common occurrence with him, so I don't bother to learn his tenants' names and faces. (Because of the neighbourhood poverty, most of its residents seem to be elderly people on government pensions and welfare recipients.)

His ex-girlfriend (who lives in another town) is next door right now yelling at him for spending over $500 on a single purchase this month. The comments suggested it was beer, but I don't know how you spend that much in a month. We're just over a third of the way through the month. She's always chewing him out for his overspending, so I thought she was responsible.

He used to be self-employed and worked under the table. As a result, he didn't pay into CPP (our version of Social Security). He'll still get a minimum pension when he retires, but that's a case of short-term thinking from before he got sick. More importantly, he can't "retire" early and get his CPP at age 60. A person in his position pretty much has no choice but to do that... if they haven't closed off that avenue.

Last month he failed to pay his rent for the first time in the several years that he's been here. He wrote a cheque but it bounced. I'm not exactly sure what happened, but he told me he into overdraft for over $1,000 (roughly $750 USD). Since he paid his rent the month before, that suggests he spent more than that amount of money in only one month (on top of his rent for the previous month). However I'm not sure, there are other possible explanations. The unbanked phenomenon is not as common in Canada as in the US. I just can't figure out how he could have written a cheque that bounced if he didn't use his bank account. (A money order wouldn't bounce, because you have to pay for it up front.)

When he told me this, I found out that he hadn't filed his taxes last year, and so didn't get some small tax benefits that together would have almost paid for a month of rent. He had to call the tax agency to get them to take off his direct deposit (to keep the bank from thanking him for this unexpected deposit) and won't actually see any money until April. (I did his taxes since I know how to do it, for free. I had to see his rent records to get him that benefit, so I know he wasn't lying about only missing the one payment.)

I said that if he had told me this before I would have done his taxes then and he could have gotten that money before missing a rent payment. He told me that if I had done this before December he would have spent all the money (presumably on Christmas stuff)...

At the end of February his welfare payment came in. His ex-girlfriend's came in as well. Given the distance she has to travel to see him from her city, I don't know how she affords it. Turns out she can't. She had also missed her last rent payment, and her landlord was angry with her too. Instead of immediately writing her landlord a cheque, she decided to hang out with her ex-boyfriend on her rent due date, buy a lot of beer and get drunk. He had to pay her cab fare to get back. The two of them telling me the story is how I found out she's on welfare.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: JLR on March 15, 2017, 12:43:05 AM
We have some neighbours who moved in last year. We got talking to them on the street a few weeks ago. They were telling us about the kitchen upgrade they had just done, this and that they were in the middle of doing, and how they had applied to council to put in a front fence but were knocked back as they weren't allowed in our part of town and how terribly upset they were about this. Later that evening we heard then call out "get in the car kids, we are going to look at a better house". Now we hear they are moving. After less than 12 months, and all those renovations. Because they couldn't get a front fence. They already have fences at the sides of the house to separate the front and back yards, but it seems no front fence (in our quiet cul-de-sac) was a deal breaker for them.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Linea_Norway on March 15, 2017, 06:56:09 AM
We have some neighbours who moved in last year. We got talking to them on the street a few weeks ago. They were telling us about the kitchen upgrade they had just done, this and that they were in the middle of doing, and how they had applied to council to put in a front fence but were knocked back as they weren't allowed in our part of town and how terribly upset they were about this. Later that evening we heard then call out "get in the car kids, we are going to look at a better house". Now we hear they are moving. After less than 12 months, and all those renovations. Because they couldn't get a front fence. They already have fences at the sides of the house to separate the front and back yards, but it seems no front fence (in our quiet cul-de-sac) was a deal breaker for them.

That is a dramatic choice. Couldn't they just have planted a row of hedges that could have functioned as a fence?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: zolotiyeruki on March 15, 2017, 07:57:41 AM
We have some neighbours who moved in last year. We got talking to them on the street a few weeks ago. They were telling us about the kitchen upgrade they had just done, this and that they were in the middle of doing, and how they had applied to council to put in a front fence but were knocked back as they weren't allowed in our part of town and how terribly upset they were about this. Later that evening we heard then call out "get in the car kids, we are going to look at a better house". Now we hear they are moving. After less than 12 months, and all those renovations. Because they couldn't get a front fence. They already have fences at the sides of the house to separate the front and back yards, but it seems no front fence (in our quiet cul-de-sac) was a deal breaker for them.
Wow.  That's kind of like the story of the billionaire throwing away a private jet when the ashtrays got full.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: slugline on March 15, 2017, 01:09:20 PM
That is a dramatic choice. Couldn't they just have planted a row of hedges that could have functioned as a fence?

If this council is like my homeowners association, the answer to both the front fence and the extended front hedges is "no."
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: wonkette on March 15, 2017, 04:19:09 PM
My neighbors, a couple I like very much, invited me over for a drink last night. Sadly, they shared that they are seriously considering moving to Baltimore (we're in DC), where they can afford more house. They plan on having kids in a few years and they've both recently gotten jobs where they can work from home three days a week.

I mentioned that they'd still have to factor in the cost of the commuter train which is something like $7 each way and doesn't run very late, at which point they'd have to take the more expensive Amtrak. The neighbor confessed that it wouldn't impact their budget much because she ubers to and from work every day she goes into the office anyway! Their place is maybe 15 minutes to the metro at a leisurely stroll (which is ten minutes closer than my place) and even on the same line she needs. I was gobsmacked.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: HappierAtHome on March 15, 2017, 06:47:55 PM
We have some neighbours who moved in last year. We got talking to them on the street a few weeks ago. They were telling us about the kitchen upgrade they had just done, this and that they were in the middle of doing, and how they had applied to council to put in a front fence but were knocked back as they weren't allowed in our part of town and how terribly upset they were about this. Later that evening we heard then call out "get in the car kids, we are going to look at a better house". Now we hear they are moving. After less than 12 months, and all those renovations. Because they couldn't get a front fence. They already have fences at the sides of the house to separate the front and back yards, but it seems no front fence (in our quiet cul-de-sac) was a deal breaker for them.

Surely if having a fence was *that* important to you, you'd check whether or not they're allowed in a particular suburb before moving there!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mm1970 on March 15, 2017, 08:36:52 PM
My neighbors, a couple I like very much, invited me over for a drink last night. Sadly, they shared that they are seriously considering moving to Baltimore (we're in DC), where they can afford more house. They plan on having kids in a few years and they've both recently gotten jobs where they can work from home three days a week.

I mentioned that they'd still have to factor in the cost of the commuter train which is something like $7 each way and doesn't run very late, at which point they'd have to take the more expensive Amtrak. The neighbor confessed that it wouldn't impact their budget much because she ubers to and from work every day she goes into the office anyway! Their place is maybe 15 minutes to the metro at a leisurely stroll (which is ten minutes closer than my place) and even on the same line she needs. I was gobsmacked.
wow
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BlueHouse on March 16, 2017, 08:44:04 AM
My neighbors, a couple I like very much, invited me over for a drink last night. Sadly, they shared that they are seriously considering moving to Baltimore (we're in DC), where they can afford more house. They plan on having kids in a few years and they've both recently gotten jobs where they can work from home three days a week.

I mentioned that they'd still have to factor in the cost of the commuter train which is something like $7 each way and doesn't run very late, at which point they'd have to take the more expensive Amtrak. The neighbor confessed that it wouldn't impact their budget much because she ubers to and from work every day she goes into the office anyway! Their place is maybe 15 minutes to the metro at a leisurely stroll (which is ten minutes closer than my place) and even on the same line she needs. I was gobsmacked.
I am pretty sure an entire topic could be devoted to antimustachianism in DC.  It is unbelievable.  And the strangest part is that the vast majority of us come from somewhere else.  So are we a microcosm of what is happening in the rest of the country?  Or is there just so much freaking money here that we're not used to, so we feel like there is free rein to spend spend spend?  Or do we just see everyone else doing it and copy?  I don't get it!  I have absolutely experienced lifestyle creep since moving here, and have put a halt to it, but I still spend so much beyond what I was accustomed to when I lived elsewhere.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on March 16, 2017, 08:51:58 AM
My neighbors, a couple I like very much, invited me over for a drink last night. Sadly, they shared that they are seriously considering moving to Baltimore (we're in DC), where they can afford more house. They plan on having kids in a few years and they've both recently gotten jobs where they can work from home three days a week.

I mentioned that they'd still have to factor in the cost of the commuter train which is something like $7 each way and doesn't run very late, at which point they'd have to take the more expensive Amtrak. The neighbor confessed that it wouldn't impact their budget much because she ubers to and from work every day she goes into the office anyway! Their place is maybe 15 minutes to the metro at a leisurely stroll (which is ten minutes closer than my place) and even on the same line she needs. I was gobsmacked.

I've never used one of these ride services. Any idea what that costs?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on March 16, 2017, 11:25:40 AM
My neighbors, a couple I like very much, invited me over for a drink last night. Sadly, they shared that they are seriously considering moving to Baltimore (we're in DC), where they can afford more house. They plan on having kids in a few years and they've both recently gotten jobs where they can work from home three days a week.

I mentioned that they'd still have to factor in the cost of the commuter train which is something like $7 each way and doesn't run very late, at which point they'd have to take the more expensive Amtrak. The neighbor confessed that it wouldn't impact their budget much because she ubers to and from work every day she goes into the office anyway! Their place is maybe 15 minutes to the metro at a leisurely stroll (which is ten minutes closer than my place) and even on the same line she needs. I was gobsmacked.

I've never used one of these ride services. Any idea what that costs?
Probably cheaper than owning a second car.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on March 16, 2017, 12:34:09 PM
So $1-$2 per mile. Thanks.

Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: wonkette on March 16, 2017, 12:37:05 PM
My neighbors, a couple I like very much, invited me over for a drink last night. Sadly, they shared that they are seriously considering moving to Baltimore (we're in DC), where they can afford more house. They plan on having kids in a few years and they've both recently gotten jobs where they can work from home three days a week.

I mentioned that they'd still have to factor in the cost of the commuter train which is something like $7 each way and doesn't run very late, at which point they'd have to take the more expensive Amtrak. The neighbor confessed that it wouldn't impact their budget much because she ubers to and from work every day she goes into the office anyway! Their place is maybe 15 minutes to the metro at a leisurely stroll (which is ten minutes closer than my place) and even on the same line she needs. I was gobsmacked.

I've never used one of these ride services. Any idea what that costs?
Probably cheaper than owning a second car.
I use the services to get to/from the airport.  For a 10-15 minute ride, I pay between $7-$15.  It's about 6 miles.
This is right. Seven dollars at minimum, but probably more like $10 with traffic. But the train is right there! If they won't take a train now I have low confidence they'll actually take the one from Baltimore. Maybe they'll take an Uber from their house to the train station and from Union Station to work.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BTDretire on March 16, 2017, 02:28:06 PM
I finished reading 'Happy City' (the one from MMM's latest blog post) yesterday and it said there are 8 parking spaces for every car in America.

Would it be possible to change the law to include mandated bike parking spaces?

Near my house, there's a formerly abandoned shopping center that's been renovated and re-occupied with tenants. It's wonderful to see the blight replaced with commerce, but I wish the parking lot had a legitimate bike rack somewhere onsite. I've tried mentioning the idea to store employees, and while they smile and nod I'm sure they're in no position to make that happen.

Anyone have an idea of what it actually costs a property owner to buy and install a bike rack?
I don't know, but I did see my local city put a bike rack in a fancy artistic bike rack in the
shape of a fish to the tune of $10,000.
Cost includes engineer time and installation by city employees.
 I worked the marina about 5 days a week and it was two years before I saw a
one bike in it and that was the only one over maybe
6 years before it was removed.
 I did see someone ride up to it once and I ask them if they were going use the bike rack,
the "no, just waiting for a friend to catch up.
 I saw two guys outside the Planet Fitness I use, inspecting an area,
I suspected they were contemplating a bike rack, so I ask. They were,
and I told them I would like that, I'm 3 miles from the gym and would like to make that ride.
 That's been a month, nothing yet.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MgoSam on March 16, 2017, 03:27:47 PM
My neighbors, a couple I like very much, invited me over for a drink last night. Sadly, they shared that they are seriously considering moving to Baltimore (we're in DC), where they can afford more house. They plan on having kids in a few years and they've both recently gotten jobs where they can work from home three days a week.

I mentioned that they'd still have to factor in the cost of the commuter train which is something like $7 each way and doesn't run very late, at which point they'd have to take the more expensive Amtrak. The neighbor confessed that it wouldn't impact their budget much because she ubers to and from work every day she goes into the office anyway! Their place is maybe 15 minutes to the metro at a leisurely stroll (which is ten minutes closer than my place) and even on the same line she needs. I was gobsmacked.

I've never used one of these ride services. Any idea what that costs?
Probably cheaper than owning a second car.
I use the services to get to/from the airport.  For a 10-15 minute ride, I pay between $7-$15.  It's about 6 miles.
This is right. Seven dollars at minimum, but probably more like $10 with traffic. But the train is right there! If they won't take a train now I have low confidence they'll actually take the one from Baltimore. Maybe they'll take an Uber from their house to the train station and from Union Station to work.

If they aren't using the train now, I doubt they'll use it if they move, though maybe they will when they factor in the cost. I can't imagine what it will cost if they take Uber to work from Baltimore to DC, even if it is only a few times a week. I imagine with rush hour they will be paying a price premium.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: CptCool on March 17, 2017, 10:04:39 AM
I finished reading 'Happy City' (the one from MMM's latest blog post) yesterday and it said there are 8 parking spaces for every car in America.

Would it be possible to change the law to include mandated bike parking spaces?

Near my house, there's a formerly abandoned shopping center that's been renovated and re-occupied with tenants. It's wonderful to see the blight replaced with commerce, but I wish the parking lot had a legitimate bike rack somewhere onsite. I've tried mentioning the idea to store employees, and while they smile and nod I'm sure they're in no position to make that happen.

Anyone have an idea of what it actually costs a property owner to buy and install a bike rack?
I don't know, but I did see my local city put a bike rack in a fancy artistic bike rack in the
shape of a fish to the tune of $10,000.
Cost includes engineer time and installation by city employees.
 I worked the marina about 5 days a week and it was two years before I saw a
one bike in it and that was the only one over maybe
6 years before it was removed.
 I did see someone ride up to it once and I ask them if they were going use the bike rack,
the "no, just waiting for a friend to catch up.
 I saw two guys outside the Planet Fitness I use, inspecting an area,
I suspected they were contemplating a bike rack, so I ask. They were,
and I told them I would like that, I'm 3 miles from the gym and would like to make that ride.
 That's been a month, nothing yet.

Haha 10k is ridiculous. Just give us $100 worth of steel bolted into concrete - it should take less than an hour to install and would be dirt cheap!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MgoSam on March 17, 2017, 01:07:59 PM
I finished reading 'Happy City' (the one from MMM's latest blog post) yesterday and it said there are 8 parking spaces for every car in America.

Would it be possible to change the law to include mandated bike parking spaces?

Near my house, there's a formerly abandoned shopping center that's been renovated and re-occupied with tenants. It's wonderful to see the blight replaced with commerce, but I wish the parking lot had a legitimate bike rack somewhere onsite. I've tried mentioning the idea to store employees, and while they smile and nod I'm sure they're in no position to make that happen.

Anyone have an idea of what it actually costs a property owner to buy and install a bike rack?
I don't know, but I did see my local city put a bike rack in a fancy artistic bike rack in the
shape of a fish to the tune of $10,000.
Cost includes engineer time and installation by city employees.
 I worked the marina about 5 days a week and it was two years before I saw a
one bike in it and that was the only one over maybe
6 years before it was removed.
 I did see someone ride up to it once and I ask them if they were going use the bike rack,
the "no, just waiting for a friend to catch up.
 I saw two guys outside the Planet Fitness I use, inspecting an area,
I suspected they were contemplating a bike rack, so I ask. They were,
and I told them I would like that, I'm 3 miles from the gym and would like to make that ride.
 That's been a month, nothing yet.

Haha 10k is ridiculous. Just give us $100 worth of steel bolted into concrete - it should take less than an hour to install and would be dirt cheap!

Yup and if it gets broken, some Boston lads will be happy to fix it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhXPrYEp6pQ
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on March 17, 2017, 03:33:36 PM
Their heart was in the right place! I think more beer would have made that easier!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Goldielocks on March 18, 2017, 12:41:23 PM
The US has some pretty aggressive ADA-based laws regarding number of parking spaces that are for handicapped that don't always make a lot of sense.  I worked for a small business that had no handicapped employees and had very few visitors, yet we had two handicapped spaces out front Just Because.  Plus all the handicapped spaces you see out in front of gyms or other places obviously geared towards the non-handicapped.  I don't begrudge anyone who needs one a spot (I've spent enough time on crutches due to sports injuries to understand) but I think the law can be a little over-prescriptive on this.

And you'll probably never have a disabled employee if they can't make it in to the interview.  Gyms typically have office workers, too.  In fact people recovering from injury can use many gym facilities to aid recovery.  You are ridiculous

Let me be more specific; there seems to be some rule associating capacity of a building with number of handicapped spaces.  So if you have one of those massive Lifetime Fitness buildings or something, you end up with an equally huge number of handicapped spaces outside.  Do they need SOME?  Probably, sure.  Do they need a dozen?  Probably not.  Same with the small business, there were <20 people there.  We had plenty of parking in a relatively small, level lot.  It was also a sports-related company.  We didn't need two handicapped spaces.  In fact, we had them clearly marked, etc, but just treated them as normal spots.

The challenge for city planners comes when city fitness closes down and a physio therapy shop, or retail store or a community church takes over the space.  Suddenly, the need for the calculated number of spots does not seem to be exaggerated anymore.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TomTX on March 19, 2017, 11:30:45 AM
The US has some pretty aggressive ADA-based laws regarding number of parking spaces that are for handicapped that don't always make a lot of sense.  I worked for a small business that had no handicapped employees and had very few visitors, yet we had two handicapped spaces out front Just Because.  Plus all the handicapped spaces you see out in front of gyms or other places obviously geared towards the non-handicapped.  I don't begrudge anyone who needs one a spot (I've spent enough time on crutches due to sports injuries to understand) but I think the law can be a little over-prescriptive on this.

And you'll probably never have a disabled employee if they can't make it in to the interview.  Gyms typically have office workers, too.  In fact people recovering from injury can use many gym facilities to aid recovery.  You are ridiculous

Let me be more specific; there seems to be some rule associating capacity of a building with number of handicapped spaces.  So if you have one of those massive Lifetime Fitness buildings or something, you end up with an equally huge number of handicapped spaces outside.  Do they need SOME?  Probably, sure.  Do they need a dozen?  Probably not.  Same with the small business, there were <20 people there.  We had plenty of parking in a relatively small, level lot.  It was also a sports-related company.  We didn't need two handicapped spaces.  In fact, we had them clearly marked, etc, but just treated them as normal spots.

The challenge for city planners comes when city fitness closes down and a physio therapy shop, or retail store or a community church takes over the space.  Suddenly, the need for the calculated number of spots does not seem to be exaggerated anymore.

If you are refurbing a retail space into a physiotherapy shop, painting a few parking spaces blue is a negligible cost.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Goldielocks on March 19, 2017, 12:01:24 PM
The US has some pretty aggressive ADA-based laws regarding number of parking spaces that are for handicapped that don't always make a lot of sense.  I worked for a small business that had no handicapped employees and had very few visitors, yet we had two handicapped spaces out front Just Because.  Plus all the handicapped spaces you see out in front of gyms or other places obviously geared towards the non-handicapped.  I don't begrudge anyone who needs one a spot (I've spent enough time on crutches due to sports injuries to understand) but I think the law can be a little over-prescriptive on this.

And you'll probably never have a disabled employee if they can't make it in to the interview.  Gyms typically have office workers, too.  In fact people recovering from injury can use many gym facilities to aid recovery.  You are ridiculous

Let me be more specific; there seems to be some rule associating capacity of a building with number of handicapped spaces.  So if you have one of those massive Lifetime Fitness buildings or something, you end up with an equally huge number of handicapped spaces outside.  Do they need SOME?  Probably, sure.  Do they need a dozen?  Probably not.  Same with the small business, there were <20 people there.  We had plenty of parking in a relatively small, level lot.  It was also a sports-related company.  We didn't need two handicapped spaces.  In fact, we had them clearly marked, etc, but just treated them as normal spots.

The challenge for city planners comes when city fitness closes down and a physio therapy shop, or retail store or a community church takes over the space.  Suddenly, the need for the calculated number of spots does not seem to be exaggerated anymore.

If you are refurbing a retail space into a physiotherapy shop, painting a few parking spaces blue is a negligible cost.

Other way around, actually.  And the blue spots are a different size, and require ramps or other access, etc.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: ShoulderThingThatGoesUp on March 20, 2017, 04:37:19 AM
Density saves money in cities. It would be beyond ridiculous to waste a bunch of space on parking to allow for anything a building might one day become.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Metric Mouse on March 20, 2017, 04:44:19 AM
Yup and if it gets broken, some Boston lads will be happy to fix it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhXPrYEp6pQ

I think a tow rope and a vehicle would have been much more efficient.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Taran Wanderer on March 20, 2017, 11:33:54 PM

Yup and if it gets broken, some Boston lads will be happy to fix it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhXPrYEp6pQ


That was fantastic.  It made my day.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on March 21, 2017, 04:33:51 PM
Density saves money in cities. It would be beyond ridiculous to waste a bunch of space on parking to allow for anything a building might one day become.

Yep. The physiotherapist doesn't need every available lot in any given city to be suitable just in case they one day decide to move into it. They only have one office at a time.

Seriously, y'all, come to England. We don't have this shit here. Or, if we do, it's massively outweighed by our huge percentage of pre-car cities. We'll show you how to do it.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: AlanStache on March 21, 2017, 07:25:18 PM
Density saves money in cities. It would be beyond ridiculous to waste a bunch of space on parking to allow for anything a building might one day become.

Yep. The physiotherapist doesn't need every available lot in any given city to be suitable just in case they one day decide to move into it. They only have one office at a time.

Seriously, y'all, come to England. We don't have this shit here. Or, if we do, it's massively outweighed by our huge percentage of pre-car cities. We'll show you how to do it.

It is not just the age of the city, my area of south east Virginia has had white folk cities since the early 1600's and they are all as car-centric now as you would find anywhere (maybe not wrt pure distance but in terms of alternatives to cars yes).  Come to think of it I cant think of an area around here that has a 'natural' UK-style downtown that is not based on driving in and parking near the store you want to go to.  Colonial Williamsburg has a parking lots a block or two off the main pedestrian mall.  There is one cool hipster area but its only sort of not really car-free, I would call it more of a walk to the bar and walk home area.  I think much of the US is in a chicken vs egg position of we build around cars cuz everyone expects to get around with a car and everyone has a car cuz that is the only way to get around. 

edit: The Colonial Williamsburg pedestrian mall is nearly all a tourist thing.  Over priced food, tri-pointed hat vendors, ye old time candle shope, etc
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Playing with Fire UK on March 23, 2017, 01:38:26 AM
I wonder if it is our walled cities that kept the cars out? I agree that it is the large percentage of pre-car cities that has kept the focus on people not cars. In the US then the way of life in most cities seems so pro-car that older cities change?

Also, our traffic laws are more pedestrian friendly. The pedestrian always has right of way and you can cross the road wherever you like (no jaywalking laws).
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Linea_Norway on March 23, 2017, 01:53:42 AM
Also, our traffic laws are more pedestrian friendly. The pedestrian always has right of way and you can cross the road wherever you like (no jaywalking laws).

In the countries where I have lived cars need to stop for a pedestrian on a pedestrian crossing. Once when I was in Italy I got totally shocked. I could stand at a pedestrian crossing for 5 minutes without a single car stopping for me. And when I crossed until halfway, the cars on the other half still didn't stop. I'm very happy I live in a place that treats pedestrians better.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: marty998 on March 23, 2017, 05:05:24 AM
Also, our traffic laws are more pedestrian friendly. The pedestrian always has right of way and you can cross the road wherever you like (no jaywalking laws).

In the countries where I have lived cars need to stop for a pedestrian on a pedestrian crossing. Once when I was in Italy I got totally shocked. I could stand at a pedestrian crossing for 5 minutes without a single car stopping for me. And when I crossed until halfway, the cars on the other half still didn't stop. I'm very happy I live in a place that treats pedestrians better.

Yeah I remember Rome quite clearly. Cars would see you on a pedestrian crossing and they would speed up in order to get you to hurry and move along!

Having said that, the Italian (and European) concept of a Town Square I think is a good one. We don't have enough of them in Australia - everything is designed around roads and cars.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: JustGettingStarted1980 on March 23, 2017, 10:55:24 AM
I live in a condo community and a group of us is pretty friendly.  I go to the board meetings.  One of the frequent topics of conversation is that no trucks are allowed to be parked in driveways.  So people buy a condo and then find out they can't park their giant truck in their driveway and it won't fit in their garage.  Nevermind it was in the paperwork before they actually bought the place.  During one of these discussions one of the ladies on the board said, "ugh, people should be ashamed of some of the cars they have around here."  I haven't seen a single car that I would consider embarrassing.  I kind of wish I had kept my rusty, multicolored 1990 Honda Accord so I could park it in the driveway.

I moved into my unit in November and the next June or July one of the people in the friendly group told me I needed to buy some furniture for my deck so it looked like someone lives there.  I told her I was waiting until there was something on sale after the summer (I had a chair that wasn't suitable to all weather, but I would take it out on my deck when I needed it and then bring it back in.)  She told me I was a money bags.  Lol, guess I'm not good at hiding my mustache?  I'm also not sure that the hammock stand I ended up with was what she had in mind, but I love it!

I thank God every day that there is no HOA where I own my home.  To have a bunch of idiots control how I paint, manage, landscape, decorate, or even where I park my car [and then have to pay extra for this!!!] is the most idiotic of idiotic concepts I can imagine.

The metaphor that first comes to mind is going to dinner with a bunch of coworkers who start drinking like fish and ordering Delmonico steaks, while having just a draft beer and a ceasar salad myself. Time for the check, everyone wants an even split. Ai-yai.

JGS
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: jinga nation on March 23, 2017, 12:35:55 PM
I live in a condo community and a group of us is pretty friendly.  I go to the board meetings.  One of the frequent topics of conversation is that no trucks are allowed to be parked in driveways.  So people buy a condo and then find out they can't park their giant truck in their driveway and it won't fit in their garage.  Nevermind it was in the paperwork before they actually bought the place.  During one of these discussions one of the ladies on the board said, "ugh, people should be ashamed of some of the cars they have around here."  I haven't seen a single car that I would consider embarrassing.  I kind of wish I had kept my rusty, multicolored 1990 Honda Accord so I could park it in the driveway.

I moved into my unit in November and the next June or July one of the people in the friendly group told me I needed to buy some furniture for my deck so it looked like someone lives there.  I told her I was waiting until there was something on sale after the summer (I had a chair that wasn't suitable to all weather, but I would take it out on my deck when I needed it and then bring it back in.)  She told me I was a money bags.  Lol, guess I'm not good at hiding my mustache?  I'm also not sure that the hammock stand I ended up with was what she had in mind, but I love it!

I thank God every day that there is no HOA where I own my home.  To have a bunch of idiots control how I paint, manage, landscape, decorate, or even where I park my car [and then have to pay extra for this!!!] is the most idiotic of idiotic concepts I can imagine.

The metaphor that first comes to mind is going to dinner with a bunch of coworkers who start drinking like fish and ordering Delmonico steaks, while having just a draft beer and a ceasar salad myself. Time for the check, everyone wants an even split. Ai-yai.

JGS
Tis a free country where folks buy a house and are mandated by an HOA which is the antithesis to principles of a free country.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MrMoogle on March 23, 2017, 03:17:39 PM
I live in a condo community and a group of us is pretty friendly.  I go to the board meetings.  One of the frequent topics of conversation is that no trucks are allowed to be parked in driveways.  So people buy a condo and then find out they can't park their giant truck in their driveway and it won't fit in their garage.  Nevermind it was in the paperwork before they actually bought the place.  During one of these discussions one of the ladies on the board said, "ugh, people should be ashamed of some of the cars they have around here."  I haven't seen a single car that I would consider embarrassing.  I kind of wish I had kept my rusty, multicolored 1990 Honda Accord so I could park it in the driveway.

I moved into my unit in November and the next June or July one of the people in the friendly group told me I needed to buy some furniture for my deck so it looked like someone lives there.  I told her I was waiting until there was something on sale after the summer (I had a chair that wasn't suitable to all weather, but I would take it out on my deck when I needed it and then bring it back in.)  She told me I was a money bags.  Lol, guess I'm not good at hiding my mustache?  I'm also not sure that the hammock stand I ended up with was what she had in mind, but I love it!

I thank God every day that there is no HOA where I own my home.  To have a bunch of idiots control how I paint, manage, landscape, decorate, or even where I park my car [and then have to pay extra for this!!!] is the most idiotic of idiotic concepts I can imagine.

The metaphor that first comes to mind is going to dinner with a bunch of coworkers who start drinking like fish and ordering Delmonico steaks, while having just a draft beer and a ceasar salad myself. Time for the check, everyone wants an even split. Ai-yai.

JGS
Tis a free country where folks buy a house and are mandated by an HOA which is the antithesis to principles of a free country.
Ah, but it's free to create an HOA so you live with like minded people.  I would never live in one.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Jane Dough on March 28, 2017, 10:03:22 PM
My neighbor just shared with me that her daughter owes almost $400,000 in student loans. She told me she isn't really earning very much and doesn't know when she will ever pay them off.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on March 30, 2017, 08:56:57 AM
That *sounds* like a lifetime career earnings for some jobs. ;)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Jane Dough on March 30, 2017, 09:27:39 AM
Yes, there is a well-publicized glut of lawyers in our metropolitan area.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: russianswinga on March 30, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
Ah, but it's free to create an HOA so you live with like minded people.  I would never live in one.

As much as I'd like to say I would never live in one, this is becoming a near-impossibility in Southern California. Everything from Northern LA (Ventura, Pasadena) to the mexican border, built after about 1990, has an HOA attached to it. Not just condos - full-on houses.
The only way to avoid an HOA in SoCal is to purchase a standalone house built before 1990, or purchase a piece of land and build your house on it the way you want it (but then you have to deal with the city, which is 10x worse than HOA).

Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on March 30, 2017, 11:46:22 AM
Ah, but it's free to create an HOA so you live with like minded people.  I would never live in one.

As much as I'd like to say I would never live in one, this is becoming a near-impossibility in Southern California. Everything from Northern LA (Ventura, Pasadena) to the mexican border, built after about 1990, has an HOA attached to it. Not just condos - full-on houses.
The only way to avoid an HOA in SoCal is to purchase a standalone house built before 1990, or purchase a piece of land and build your house on it the way you want it (but then you have to deal with the city, which is 10x worse than HOA).

Some are worse than others, of course.  At least in CA, getting the HOA documents is a relatively simple request.  I've tried to screen a few properties in other states, and in some places it's common to charge you like $50-$100 for a copy of the docs.  I'm not paying that much just to see whether the HOA is operatingn in the red... I'm moving on.  I have no idea how they sell any condos at all with practices like that.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Dave1442397 on March 30, 2017, 01:47:50 PM
I would never live anywhere with an HOA.

This is the best book I've read on the subject.

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Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: marty998 on March 30, 2017, 02:06:57 PM
Yes, there is a well-publicized glut of lawyers in our metropolitan area.

She could always sue herself for negligence and collect on insurance?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Shalamar on April 22, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
My husband and I are friends with another couple, "Clancy" and "Tina".  We've known them for years (in fact, they were the best man/matron of honour at our wedding).  We saw them on Saturday night.  When we asked "What's new?", they answered that they had to sell the 150-acre piece of land they'd bought years ago.  One of our other friends said "Wasn't that the land you were going to build your dream house on?".  They smiled sadly and said "Yeah, well, some dreams don't come true."

I knew all along that this would happen.  Why?  Because Clancy and Tina are horrible - HORRIBLE - with money. They've been in debt as long as we've known them.  Any time they get their hands on some money, they're spending it on stupid shit.  Example:  Tina is an aspiring writer, and when she turned 40, she asked for a new computer for her birthday.    Clancy bought her a $1,500 Mac, because Lord knows, a $500 laptop wouldn't be nearly good enough.

They also have a tendency to announce plans, and then sit back expectantly waiting for the universe to provide.  I'm pretty sure that they didn't make a single move towards saving for their dream house, or paying off their existing debt so that they could afford it better. 

My husband and I are planning to retire in a couple of years.  I'll bet money that Clancy and Tina will still be working until they're in their 60's.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: SeaEhm on April 22, 2017, 04:39:01 PM
My husband and I are friends with another couple, "Clancy" and "Tina".  We've known them for years (in fact, they were the best man/matron of honour at our wedding).  We saw them on Saturday night.  When we asked "What's new?", they answered that they had to sell the 150-acre piece of land they'd bought years ago.  One of our other friends said "Wasn't that the land you were going to build your dream house on?".  They smiled sadly and said "Yeah, well, some dreams don't come true."

I knew all along that this would happen.  Why?  Because Clancy and Tina are horrible - HORRIBLE - with money. They've been in debt as long as we've known them.  Any time they get their hands on some money, they're spending it on stupid shit.  Example:  Tina is an aspiring writer, and when she turned 40, she asked for a new computer for her birthday.    Clancy bought her a $1,500 Mac, because Lord knows, a $500 laptop wouldn't be nearly good enough.

They also have a tendency to announce plans, and then sit back expectantly waiting for the universe to provide.  I'm pretty sure that they didn't make a single move towards saving for their dream house, or paying off their existing debt so that they could afford it better. 

My husband and I are planning to retire in a couple of years.  I'll bet money that Clancy and Tina will still be working until they're in their 60's.

Not sure how to read this...  It's kind of hard. I am not sure if it's the glare or the screen needs to be fixed on my $1500 mac. 

#tailbetweenlegs
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Spork on April 22, 2017, 05:02:05 PM
My neighbors are temporarily "working for the county"... awaiting 10% down payment on their $300k bail bonds.  I assume that counts as antimustacian.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on April 22, 2017, 05:09:21 PM
My neighbors are temporarily "working for the county"... awaiting 10% down payment on their $300k bail bonds.  I assume that counts as antimustacian.

What are they in trouble for??? That's alot of bail money around here according to our local newspaper.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: wahhunglee on April 22, 2017, 06:20:46 PM
My neighbors are no where close to being this fun.  Posting to follow


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Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: briesas on April 22, 2017, 08:58:53 PM
I live in what for my city, is a relatively low end two bedroom apartment ($845  per month). I have a fairly new next door neighbor -- and i do feel for her. She is going through a divorce -- from what I understand her spouse was abusive. I don't think they had anything to their name before she left, so now she is on her own with two kids aged 4 and 7, and re-entering the job market and trying to make this all work. She and the kids are living in one of the two bedrooms  so that she has room for a roommate. She is also looking for some part time work. All this because her rent is more than half of her monthly pay (take home, presumably -- she makes about $16 per hour) and she still has a year of car payments. She wants to buy a house in three years (already tried to get a mortgage but the bank told her to 'pay off her debt' first). She was stressed out when she learned the rent is going up $10 per month when the leases renew.

Then, last weekend, she brings home a puppy. Cue trips to the store for expensive toys. This weekend she told me she hoped the $35 fee from  our landlord was a one time thing -- it's not -- it's a per month dog fee, which is on the landlord's website. Today she told me she watched a documentary called "Pet Fooled" and now thinks she has to buy high end food for the dog. And I don't think she paid more than a shelter fee for the dog.

Today, she enrolled in a master's program. Which is smart, in the sense that she will be able to further her career (early childhood education) -- but I don't know how long she can juggle the crap job (even at $16 an hour she is exempt and working evenings and weekends), the kids, the dog, school and not being able to meet bills.

I think maybe she is overwhelmed from everything that is going on in her life, and is just making bad choices in the name of giving the kids the best life possible at this moment.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Spork on April 23, 2017, 05:56:37 AM
My neighbors are temporarily "working for the county"... awaiting 10% down payment on their $300k bail bonds.  I assume that counts as antimustacian.

What are they in trouble for??? That's alot of bail money around here according to our local newspaper.

This time...  Two of them both have "tampering with government documents" and one has several additional charges of debit/credit card fraud.  It's a tiny house with 8-10 people living in it at any given time.  Most of the adults have pretty long rap sheets.

And from the booking photos, I'd also guess there is meth involved.  They're loads of fun.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Pooperman on April 23, 2017, 08:47:39 AM
My neighbor is attempting to sell his house for $250k, but it's probably only worth about $230k. Went on the market Friday, so we'll see how that turns out. It may end up being on the market for a while.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: CptCool on April 24, 2017, 08:52:16 AM
My neighbor is attempting to sell his house for $250k, but it's probably only worth about $230k. Went on the market Friday, so we'll see how that turns out. It may end up being on the market for a while.

Haha same here - my neighbors have had their house for sale since last April for about 260 when it's worth a little closer to 210. They simultaneously advertised it for rent since around June of last year for $1800 when $1200-1300 is the going rate too. The prices are so high since they bought it before the bubble & so "that's what it's worth". Shockingly, there hasn't been any interest.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: paddedhat on April 24, 2017, 02:51:31 PM
My neighbor is attempting to sell his house for $250k, but it's probably only worth about $230k. Went on the market Friday, so we'll see how that turns out. It may end up being on the market for a while.

Haha same here - my neighbors have had their house for sale since last April for about 260 when it's worth a little closer to 210. They simultaneously advertised it for rent since around June of last year for $1800 when $1200-1300 is the going rate too. The prices are so high since they bought it before the bubble & so "that's what it's worth". Shockingly, there hasn't been any interest.

I'm just shaking my head and quietly chucking about this. At the end of last summer my neighbor announced that he has his home listed since spring, and he is pissed at the realtor.  First, it's a bottom grade vacation/ seasonal home, built as cheaply as possible, ten years old, and totally unmaintained. Second he wants EXACTLY to the penny,  they exact amount that the same shit grade builder is currently advertising the same shit grade house for, turn key, brand new. Second, for "security reasons" this chucklenut refuses to allow the realtor to place a sign in front of the yard. God forbid that anybody would drive by and discover that they house is listed, they might get crazy, call the realtor and buy it. Oh, the horror. Finally, the lazy bastard decided that he wouldn't cut the grass at all, so it literally looks like an abandoned house in a hay field. By the time he was done with his sad tale of how badly the realtor was screwing him, I was trying not to laugh. It was a stunning conversation. 

My other favorite  is a guy who moved to my neighborhood 8-10 years ago. In the early 2000s he gets a corporate transfer to a very low cost area of the south. He buys a lovely new ranch house for $140K. He spends another 20-25% above that on upgrades and improvements during his six or seven years there. He relocates to my area and builds his retirement home.  He contacts a realtor at his previous home to list it. The realtor tells him that, since we are now deep into the recession, it will be a struggle to recoup his original purchase price. No deal. He will only sell once the transaction covers ALL of his investment and closing costs. It's nearing ten years now. He has driven tens of thousands of miles traveling back to their southern home to address issues with renters, rental agencies, tenant damage, evictions, etc... He has gotten screwed over repeatedly by tenants and agencies. I have no doubt that he has spent $50k in management fees, repairs, eviction costs, and travel so far.  Unfortunately, it still causes him grief since it hasn't increased to the $190 value he "needs" to break even.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Pooperman on April 24, 2017, 03:28:39 PM
My neighbor is attempting to sell his house for $250k, but it's probably only worth about $230k. Went on the market Friday, so we'll see how that turns out. It may end up being on the market for a while.

Haha same here - my neighbors have had their house for sale since last April for about 260 when it's worth a little closer to 210. They simultaneously advertised it for rent since around June of last year for $1800 when $1200-1300 is the going rate too. The prices are so high since they bought it before the bubble & so "that's what it's worth". Shockingly, there hasn't been any interest.

I'm just shaking my head and quietly chucking about this. At the end of last summer my neighbor announced that he has his home listed since spring, and he is pissed at the realtor.  First, it's a bottom grade vacation/ seasonal home, built as cheaply as possible, ten years old, and totally unmaintained. Second he wants EXACTLY to the penny,  they exact amount that the same shit grade builder is currently advertising the same shit grade house for, turn key, brand new. Second, for "security reasons" this chucklenut refuses to allow the realtor to place a sign in front of the yard. God forbid that anybody would drive by and discover that they house is listed, they might get crazy, call the realtor and buy it. Oh, the horror. Finally, the lazy bastard decided that he wouldn't cut the grass at all, so it literally looks like an abandoned house in a hay field. By the time he was done with his sad tale of how badly the realtor was screwing him, I was trying not to laugh. It was a stunning conversation. 

My other favorite  is a guy who moved to my neighborhood 8-10 years ago. In the early 2000s he gets a corporate transfer to a very low cost area of the south. He buys a lovely new ranch house for $140K. He spends another 20-25% above that on upgrades and improvements during his six or seven years there. He relocates to my area and builds his retirement home.  He contacts a realtor at his previous home to list it. The realtor tells him that, since we are now deep into the recession, it will be a struggle to recoup his original purchase price. No deal. He will only sell once the transaction covers ALL of his investment and closing costs. It's nearing ten years now. He has driven tens of thousands of miles traveling back to their southern home to address issues with renters, rental agencies, tenant damage, evictions, etc... He has gotten screwed over repeatedly by tenants and agencies. I have no doubt that he has spent $50k in management fees, repairs, eviction costs, and travel so far.  Unfortunately, it still causes him grief since it hasn't increased to the $190 value he "needs" to break even.

There has been a lot of interest in the place. They had an open house this weekend, and like 30 or 40 families showed up to look. They've done a lot of work on the inside that has attracted people, but who knows about the selling price. Even today, people are checking it out (probably another 10) despite it being super rainy and nasty. I hope they can sell it for that much because we'll blow past the 100k NW milestone haha.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Rural on April 24, 2017, 06:42:22 PM
My neighbors are temporarily "working for the county"... awaiting 10% down payment on their $300k bail bonds.  I assume that counts as antimustacian.

What are they in trouble for??? That's alot of bail money around here according to our local newspaper.

This time...  Two of them both have "tampering with government documents" and one has several additional charges of debit/credit card fraud.  It's a tiny house with 8-10 people living in it at any given time.  Most of the adults have pretty long rap sheets.

And from the booking photos, I'd also guess there is meth involved.  They're loads of fun.


I see some of my next door neighbors moved next to you when they got out of prison. Get a locking mailbox if you don't have one already.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Spork on April 25, 2017, 07:25:29 AM
My neighbors are temporarily "working for the county"... awaiting 10% down payment on their $300k bail bonds.  I assume that counts as antimustacian.

What are they in trouble for??? That's alot of bail money around here according to our local newspaper.

This time...  Two of them both have "tampering with government documents" and one has several additional charges of debit/credit card fraud.  It's a tiny house with 8-10 people living in it at any given time.  Most of the adults have pretty long rap sheets.

And from the booking photos, I'd also guess there is meth involved.  They're loads of fun.


I see some of my next door neighbors moved next to you when they got out of prison. Get a locking mailbox if you don't have one already.

We've talked about that... or moving mail back to a PO box in town.  At least 2 of them have previous charges for ID theft.  What we've done instead (and still may change our minds) is:
* signed up for USPS informed delivery.  We get a photo of every piece of mail that we are expected to receive on a given day
* froze my wife/my credit at all 3 agencies.
* majority of finance/bill pay occurs on line... though there are always some bit of paper that comes (tax forms, some amount of administrative junk)

We've had these neighbors for about 8 years.  We keep thinking they'll burn down their house or do something so awful that they'll all go away...  but we never have had more than 2 of them in prison at a time.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: hudsoncat on April 25, 2017, 09:54:24 AM
My neighbors are lovely people, but talking to them is like watching a financial train wreck unfold. Wife works a low paying job, but it is stable and has a side benefit of helping with childcare costs (she can bring them to work). Husband is on his third job in five years (the previous two were in companies that shut down), each one has paid worse and the current job is none too stable. So what did they do? Spent their tax refund on a Disney vacation. Did I mention that both current vehicles are older (fine), frequently break down (not so fine) and the husband thinks they will have to replace both by the end of the year? Hopefully the brand new pitching machine and batting cage he just bought/put up for the 8 year old playing his first year of city summer league baseball doesn't set them back too on the car buying scheme much. Sigh.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: eddie on April 25, 2017, 04:21:50 PM
My neighbor is attempting to sell his house for $250k, but it's probably only worth about $230k. Went on the market Friday, so we'll see how that turns out. It may end up being on the market for a while.

Similar situation.  My neighbor across the street moved out of state for a job and put his house on the market for $120k.  It's about 1,300 sqft and we live in a LCOL area.  It would sell for that if it was in great shape with a modern kitchen & bathroom. But... The dude a hoarder.  Had a 2 car garage he couldn't park in, it took 2 rental dumpsters to take away all his trash, there are nails sticking out of the hard wood floor as soon as you walk in the front door, the foundation is cracked, drywall is cracked, the exterior has lots of peeling paint, he smoked in the house for over a decade, I could go on for a few more lines.  He lowered the price to 110k after a couple weeks.  I'll be shocked if he gets more than $80k.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Rural on April 25, 2017, 06:02:50 PM
My neighbors are temporarily "working for the county"... awaiting 10% down payment on their $300k bail bonds.  I assume that counts as antimustacian.

What are they in trouble for??? That's alot of bail money around here according to our local newspaper.

This time...  Two of them both have "tampering with government documents" and one has several additional charges of debit/credit card fraud.  It's a tiny house with 8-10 people living in it at any given time.  Most of the adults have pretty long rap sheets.

And from the booking photos, I'd also guess there is meth involved.  They're loads of fun.


I see some of my next door neighbors moved next to you when they got out of prison. Get a locking mailbox if you don't have one already.

We've talked about that... or moving mail back to a PO box in town.  At least 2 of them have previous charges for ID theft.  What we've done instead (and still may change our minds) is:
* signed up for USPS informed delivery.  We get a photo of every piece of mail that we are expected to receive on a given day
* froze my wife/my credit at all 3 agencies.
* majority of finance/bill pay occurs on line... though there are always some bit of paper that comes (tax forms, some amount of administrative junk)

We've had these neighbors for about 8 years.  We keep thinking they'll burn down their house or do something so awful that they'll all go away...  but we never have had more than 2 of them in prison at a time.


I didn't even know about Informed Delivery. I'll have to look into it. I'll tell you, not having home delivery at all (our solution to the methhead mail shopping) works just fine most of the time, but it's getting to be more of a pain with official documents and Homeland Security regulations. Renewed drivers license, new bank account... So far I've managed to get those things sent to the PO box, but it was some trouble. But of course those are exactly the things you don't want stolen.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Fomerly known as something on April 26, 2017, 05:58:09 AM
On the topic of crazy house pricing.  The Fugly Blue house.

My town is an interesting mix, "old" close in suburb of Detroit.  There are a mix of smaller older homes, some in good condition that will stay, some that will become tear downs for houses like mine, moderate sized by current standards new houses.  (mostly in the 1,500-2,000 sq ft range).  The fugly house built around 1980, it is 2,000 sq ft on a double lot, but I don't think anything has been done since it was built.  They put it on the market originally for $299,000 a year ago, rumor has it a developer offered them $250,000 for the land before they listed.  It is still for sale, it needs at a minimum $50,000 for new windows, a roof and it doesn't have a garage which is abnormal for the neighborhood.  Lets not mention normal people would want to upgrade the kitchens and baths so really it could easily be $100,000+ for "renovations."  Same town, maintained house of a transferred co-worker sold in 30 hours for over-asking.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Spork on April 26, 2017, 08:27:09 AM
I didn't even know about Informed Delivery. I'll have to look into it. I'll tell you, not having home delivery at all (our solution to the methhead mail shopping) works just fine most of the time, but it's getting to be more of a pain with official documents and Homeland Security regulations. Renewed drivers license, new bank account... So far I've managed to get those things sent to the PO box, but it was some trouble. But of course those are exactly the things you don't want stolen.

It's new (but did a small run in limited areas for a while).  It's free.  Just go to usps.com and click a bit.  The down side is... I didn't see anything that would keep your meth-head neighbors from signing up for informed delivery of someone else's mail.  This seems like a dumb problem waiting to happen.  Why fish through every mailbox in the neighborhood every day when you can get a preview of all of them.

Been there-done that with the PO box.  It can be a pain.  It was less of a pain pre-fire when I "went to town" every day commuting.  Post-FIRE, there are often several days in a row that we don't go to town.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Rural on April 26, 2017, 09:57:29 AM
I didn't even know about Informed Delivery. I'll have to look into it. I'll tell you, not having home delivery at all (our solution to the methhead mail shopping) works just fine most of the time, but it's getting to be more of a pain with official documents and Homeland Security regulations. Renewed drivers license, new bank account... So far I've managed to get those things sent to the PO box, but it was some trouble. But of course those are exactly the things you don't want stolen.

It's new (but did a small run in limited areas for a while).  It's free.  Just go to usps.com and click a bit.  The down side is... I didn't see anything that would keep your meth-head neighbors from signing up for informed delivery of someone else's mail.  This seems like a dumb problem waiting to happen.  Why fish through every mailbox in the neighborhood every day when you can get a preview of all of them.

Been there-done that with the PO box.  It can be a pain.  It was less of a pain pre-fire when I "went to town" every day commuting.  Post-FIRE, there are often several days in a row that we don't go to town.


Yeah, I have to make a point of going to get the mail - I aim for once a week but sometimes miss.


I have just signed up for Informed Delivery on our street address (which has no mailbox and should get nothing) because a debit card on a new account was sent there.* To get Informed Delivery, I did have to answer a series of identity questions along the lines of those one must answer to get a credit report (may have been more difficult questions, in fact). So I think the security must be improved. It looks like the full rollout to all addresses happened just last week, so perhaps the security upgrade was then.


Now I have a support query in to see if there's any way to get the service for both street and PO address. It would be nice to know when there's no need to go to town.




* I had declined to have a debit card at all since that's strictly an investment account, but that's another story.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Spork on April 26, 2017, 10:01:55 AM
I didn't even know about Informed Delivery. I'll have to look into it. I'll tell you, not having home delivery at all (our solution to the methhead mail shopping) works just fine most of the time, but it's getting to be more of a pain with official documents and Homeland Security regulations. Renewed drivers license, new bank account... So far I've managed to get those things sent to the PO box, but it was some trouble. But of course those are exactly the things you don't want stolen.

It's new (but did a small run in limited areas for a while).  It's free.  Just go to usps.com and click a bit.  The down side is... I didn't see anything that would keep your meth-head neighbors from signing up for informed delivery of someone else's mail.  This seems like a dumb problem waiting to happen.  Why fish through every mailbox in the neighborhood every day when you can get a preview of all of them.

Been there-done that with the PO box.  It can be a pain.  It was less of a pain pre-fire when I "went to town" every day commuting.  Post-FIRE, there are often several days in a row that we don't go to town.


Yeah, I have to make a point of going to get the mail - I aim for once a week but sometimes miss.


I have just signed up for Informed Delivery on our street address (which has no mailbox and should get nothing) because a debit card on a new account was sent there.* To get Informed Delivery, I did have to answer a series of identity questions along the lines of those one must answer to get a credit report (may have been more difficult questions, in fact). So I think the security must be improved. It looks like the full rollout to all addresses happened just last week, so perhaps the security upgrade was then.


Now I have a support query in to see if there's any way to get the service for both street and PO address. It would be nice to know when there's no need to go to town.




* I had declined to have a debit card at all since that's strictly an investment account, but that's another story.

That's much better than mine... I didn't have to answer a single question other than pick a userid, password, email address, physical address.  Someone must have mentioned the risk to them. ;)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Dicey on April 27, 2017, 08:15:21 AM
This is not really neighbours related but is real estate related so I thought I would post it here.

I rent an apartment. Recently I starting to get a lot of flyers advertising condos for sale. This is reasonable since I live in a fairly nice apartment building and many of my neighbours would consider buying. The odd/antimustachian thing about these flyers is they state "buy a house for xxx biweekly". They don't even list the total price of the home, just the biweekly mortgage payments. They don't even state what mortgage terms they are assuming.

Buy a condo for less than what it costs to stay a night at a local Motel 6!  Only $100 per night!

Who the heck pays $100/night for a local Motel 6? Unless local to you means a very HCOL place like SF during the Superbowl, you can find a motel for a lot cheaper nearly everywhere in the country. I've gotten by on $45/night rooms at Red Roof Inn too many times to count.
My stepdad came to visit in Santa Barbara last year and was about to book the local motel 6 (which is horrible.  He and my mom stayed there years ago.)  It was $179 a night!

I found him an air-BNB for $99 a night, *right* before the city banned short term rentals.  He got in under the wire!
Haha! I stayed at that M6 once and completely agree, it's awful! We were riding our bikes from SF to LA. IIRC, we stayed there because the camping options were too far removed from our route and almost as expensive. Next day, we agreed it was worse than the camping we'd done on the rest of the trip.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: patchyfacialhair on April 27, 2017, 08:35:20 AM
This is not really neighbours related but is real estate related so I thought I would post it here.

I rent an apartment. Recently I starting to get a lot of flyers advertising condos for sale. This is reasonable since I live in a fairly nice apartment building and many of my neighbours would consider buying. The odd/antimustachian thing about these flyers is they state "buy a house for xxx biweekly". They don't even list the total price of the home, just the biweekly mortgage payments. They don't even state what mortgage terms they are assuming.

Buy a condo for less than what it costs to stay a night at a local Motel 6!  Only $100 per night!

Who the heck pays $100/night for a local Motel 6? Unless local to you means a very HCOL place like SF during the Superbowl, you can find a motel for a lot cheaper nearly everywhere in the country. I've gotten by on $45/night rooms at Red Roof Inn too many times to count.
My stepdad came to visit in Santa Barbara last year and was about to book the local motel 6 (which is horrible.  He and my mom stayed there years ago.)  It was $179 a night!

I found him an air-BNB for $99 a night, *right* before the city banned short term rentals.  He got in under the wire!
Haha! I stayed at that M6 once and completely agree, it's awful! We were riding our bikes from SF to LA. IIRC, we stayed there because the camping options were too far removed from our route and almost as expensive. Next day, we agreed it was worse than the camping we'd done on the rest of the trip.

Worst I ever got ripped off was $150/night for 1 night at a super low end motel in Madison, WI. FIL and I were there training for a sport we play recreationally, but bad planning on our part meant we scheduled our trip the same weekend as the University of Wisconsin's graduation. Sadly that was the cheapest option that weekend even compared to AirBNB. I thoroughly checked for bedbugs, but it actually wasn't that bad of a room overall lol
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: jslasher88 on April 29, 2017, 08:35:19 AM
Was helping a neighbor friend move some furniture last weekend.

At some point in the afternoon his wife announced that she was going to take their 1-year-old baby for a drive to help the baby fall asleep for her nap. This is their regular alternative when the baby won't go down on her own in the crib.

Off she went in their heavily-financed clown SUV...she was gone for 2 hours, driving around town the whole time.

Now, I won't profess to know anything much about child-raising...but I could only imagine what MMM would say about this...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Spork on April 29, 2017, 11:03:18 AM
Was helping a neighbor friend move some furniture last weekend.

At some point in the afternoon his wife announced that she was going to take their 1-year-old baby for a drive to help the baby fall asleep for her nap. This is their regular alternative when the baby won't go down on her own in the crib.

Off she went in their heavily-financed clown SUV...she was gone for 2 hours, driving around town the whole time.

Now, I won't profess to know anything much about child-raising...but I could only imagine what MMM would say about this...

I know absolutely zero about child raising...  And having seen a few new-mom nieces that have had 8 hours of cumulative sleep in the last month: I would probably forgive anything short of murder in those situations.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: JustGettingStarted1980 on April 29, 2017, 11:40:04 AM
I'm with Spork. WHATEVER WORKS when it comes to getting babies their rest (and their momma's some ear rest too).
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mustachepungoeshere on April 30, 2017, 04:41:41 AM
Was helping a neighbor friend move some furniture last weekend.

At some point in the afternoon his wife announced that she was going to take their 1-year-old baby for a drive to help the baby fall asleep for her nap. This is their regular alternative when the baby won't go down on her own in the crib.

Off she went in their heavily-financed clown SUV...she was gone for 2 hours, driving around town the whole time.

Now, I won't profess to know anything much about child-raising...but I could only imagine what MMM would say about this...

I know absolutely zero about child raising...  And having seen a few new-mom nieces that have had 8 hours of cumulative sleep in the last month: I would probably forgive anything short of murder in those situations.

Husband's parents did this with him (minus the SUV and car loan). He didn't sleep through the night once till he was three. Prior to that, my FiL would either put him in the pram and push him around their town till the early hours, or put him in the car and drive till he fell asleep. My husband is the ultimate Car Guy with all that it entails, so I joke that it didn't influence him at all...

(You would think my in-laws share this story to talk about how hard those early years were. Nope. My mother would have put me up for adoption if it was me, but they adored him, their perfect first-born.)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: zolotiyeruki on April 30, 2017, 10:28:47 AM
We've found that a good alternative to the long dive is to set the baby and car seat on a running clothes dryer. You get the same sound and vibration that way, without spending a bunch on gasoline :)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on April 30, 2017, 10:57:55 PM
We've found that a good alternative to the long dive is to set the baby and car seat on a running clothes dryer. You get the same sound and vibration that way, without spending a bunch on gasoline :)

Another thing a clothes line won't do for you. (But the mental image is good.)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Pooperman on May 01, 2017, 04:59:00 AM
My neighbor is attempting to sell his house for $250k, but it's probably only worth about $230k. Went on the market Friday, so we'll see how that turns out. It may end up being on the market for a while.

Haha same here - my neighbors have had their house for sale since last April for about 260 when it's worth a little closer to 210. They simultaneously advertised it for rent since around June of last year for $1800 when $1200-1300 is the going rate too. The prices are so high since they bought it before the bubble & so "that's what it's worth". Shockingly, there hasn't been any interest.

The place is under contract, I think. Not sure what they got for a price, though. I'll know once it closes in a month.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BuffaloStache on May 01, 2017, 10:28:31 AM
I'm with Spork. WHATEVER WORKS when it comes to getting babies their rest (and their momma's some ear rest too).

While I generally agree with this, I think the criticism is really on the financed SUV. That, and/or trying *any* lower cost alternative to that wasteful habit.

(Thanks zolotiyeruki for the dryer idea. We try not to use our dryer too often, but I'll save the next dryer washload for an evening and see if I can sync those 2 things up)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: AlanStache on May 01, 2017, 11:04:19 AM
I'm with Spork. WHATEVER WORKS when it comes to getting babies their rest (and their momma's some ear rest too).

While I generally agree with this, I think the criticism is really on the financed SUV. That, and/or trying *any* lower cost alternative to that wasteful habit.

(Thanks zolotiyeruki for the dryer idea. We try not to use our dryer too often, but I'll save the next dryer washload for an evening and see if I can sync those 2 things up)

The electrical usage should be a lot less without the heating options on but you would still get the same vibration/noise.  With the different plug/voltage you cant use a normal watt meter to compare but some google-foo might answer it easy enough.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BuffaloStache on May 02, 2017, 09:27:56 PM
The electrical usage should be a lot less without the heating options on but you would still get the same vibration/noise.  With the different plug/voltage you cant use a normal watt meter to compare but some google-foo might answer it easy enough.

Exactly. I havent looked it up but it seems common sense that it would be a lower operating cost than driving a car around. And to be honest, safer too.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MoMan on May 03, 2017, 12:42:05 PM
When I returned home from my bike ride yesterday afternoon (yea me!) I saw what looked like some kind of Christmas decoration in the yard of the new neighbors on the corner of my street. It was some kind of flashing bright white light, quite visible even at 6 p.m. on a bright May day, surrounded by mist. I got closer and realized it is a "sprinkler" with a bright LED light. A couple of details to make this even more ridiculous: 1. This is Houston, which averages around 44 inches of rain each year, making it a borderline tropical rain forest. 2. We just got some rain in the last few days. 3. Heavy rain is forecast for today (we already had a couple of small downpours). I water my grass about once every five years. 4. This "sprinkler" tosses the water in the air, turning much of it to mist which is carried away in the wind.  They must be thinking, "how can I dispose of more natural resources faster?"  Naturally, a giant new pickup sits on the street in front of the house despite the three-car attached garage--likely full of more vehicles.

Another house in our neighborhood parks three pickups, a large SUV and a VW Beetle in their drive (actually, they have taken to parking one of the trucks on the vacant lot next door--classy). Who the fuck needs that much hauling capacity??
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: zolotiyeruki on May 03, 2017, 02:11:32 PM
... Naturally, a giant new pickup sits on the street in front of the house despite the three-car attached garage--likely full of more vehicles.

Another house in our neighborhood parks three pickups, a large SUV and a VW Beetle in their drive (actually, they have taken to parking one of the trucks on the vacant lot next door--classy). Who the fuck needs that much hauling capacity??
How long have you lived in Houston?  I was there for 6 years.  Given the typical lack of storage space, it's more likely that their garage is filled with "stuff."  Ours wasn't--one bay was for the car, the other functioned as my shop along with bikes/lawn mowers/etc.  But I have a couple brothers who almost never parked their cars in the garage because it was full of the kind of stuff that you'd put in a basement if you lived further north.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BFGirl on May 03, 2017, 02:46:15 PM
On Nextdoor one of my neighbors just listed a Chanel purse for sale.  Never been used.  She says it retails for $3000 and wants someone to buy it from her for $2000.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on May 03, 2017, 04:14:32 PM
Another house in our neighborhood parks three pickups, a large SUV and a VW Beetle in their drive (actually, they have taken to parking one of the trucks on the vacant lot next door--classy). Who the fuck needs that much hauling capacity??

Sounds like my inlaw's neighbors. They bought a place in a zero lot line type development. Driveway is barely long enough for two modest vehicles end to end. Neighbor had four expensive 4WD vehicles parked all over - street, garage, driveway, etc. Often had visitors too with more 4WDs and muscle cars.

They just don't physically fit in the neighborhood. I hear that now just a year after buying the place they are looking for something else. Nice folks, just needs 2 acres of parking.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: accountingteacher on May 05, 2017, 07:55:49 PM
It really depends on the home and the neighborhood.  I say that sitting in my home that was once on the site of another home.  Some might say it's too big for my 40x110ft lot.  But at least my town is building things of "normal size."  600 sq ft ranches are being replaced with 1500-2000 sq ft 2 stories.  Some of the ranches are having their roofs torn off and the base taken down to the studs with a 2nd floor added on but a lot of that has to do with if the foundation is still ok and many aren't.  When they are getting renovated things such as energy efficient windows, heaters and insulation are added.  The 600 sq ft house would likely have been enough for me but I'm happy with my mini McMansion.

Responding to follow.  Also wondering if there is an agreed upon list of criteria for what constitutes a McMansion.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on May 05, 2017, 11:46:26 PM
It really depends on the home and the neighborhood.  I say that sitting in my home that was once on the site of another home.  Some might say it's too big for my 40x110ft lot.  But at least my town is building things of "normal size."  600 sq ft ranches are being replaced with 1500-2000 sq ft 2 stories.  Some of the ranches are having their roofs torn off and the base taken down to the studs with a 2nd floor added on but a lot of that has to do with if the foundation is still ok and many aren't.  When they are getting renovated things such as energy efficient windows, heaters and insulation are added.  The 600 sq ft house would likely have been enough for me but I'm happy with my mini McMansion.

Responding to follow.  Also wondering if there is an agreed upon list of criteria for what constitutes a McMansion.

Yes! http://www.mcmansionhell.com/101
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: accountingteacher on May 06, 2017, 04:37:49 PM
Quote from: accountingteacher link=topic=64578.msg1541812#msg1541812   Also wondering if there is an agreed upon list of criteria for what constitutes a McMansion.
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Yes! http://www.mcmansionhell.com/101

Well that's a relief.  There are definitely McMansions in my neighbourhood but I don't, apparently, live in one. 

I'm not sure that an attached double garage is so unreasonable, as long as they're used for cars and not crap.  Not having to scrape my windshield or warm up the car in the winter saves me at least 20 minutes in the morning, and (according to my dad) extends the life of the vehicles (currently 8 & 9 years, 120,000 & 160,000 km.)  It's actually the main reason we moved from our 1 garage townhouse.

We've been shocked though (and annoyed) by the # of neighbours who park 3-4 cars per family on the road because their garages are stuffed and their driveways are for hockey and basketball nets even though the houses all back on to a huge municipal park.  I don't get how someone thinks their default parking spot should be directly in front of my house. Sometimes I park there just to make a point.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Inaya on May 08, 2017, 03:42:36 PM
No fence because apartment building, but still antiMustachian. Walked out to see that the neighbor two doors down had a TideSpin (http://www.tidespin.com/) (laundry service) bag outside her door. I won't say I haven't considered it myself because I hate laundry (especially folding), but I don't think I'd actually pay somebody to do my laundry and deliver it.


I would have some sympathy if she was a single mom or something, but there's only one family with kids on my floor, and it isn't hers. I don't know maybe she has an injury or something? (We have a drycleaning service in our building, so that's not the reason.)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: HappierAtHome on May 08, 2017, 06:40:18 PM
No fence because apartment building, but still antiMustachian. Walked out to see that the neighbor two doors down had a TideSpin (http://www.tidespin.com/) (laundry service) bag outside her door. I won't say I haven't considered it myself because I hate laundry (especially folding), but I don't think I'd actually pay somebody to do my laundry and deliver it.


I would have some sympathy if she was a single mom or something, but there's only one family with kids on my floor, and it isn't hers. I don't know maybe she has an injury or something? (We have a drycleaning service in our building, so that's not the reason.)

She could have an invisible disability (there are certain things I cannot do for myself, but you'd never know from looking at me).

But it's much more likely she's just engaging in antimustachian behaviour :-P
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Inaya on May 08, 2017, 07:55:37 PM
No fence because apartment building, but still antiMustachian. Walked out to see that the neighbor two doors down had a TideSpin (http://www.tidespin.com/) (laundry service) bag outside her door. I won't say I haven't considered it myself because I hate laundry (especially folding), but I don't think I'd actually pay somebody to do my laundry and deliver it.


I would have some sympathy if she was a single mom or something, but there's only one family with kids on my floor, and it isn't hers. I don't know maybe she has an injury or something? (We have a drycleaning service in our building, so that's not the reason.)

She could have an invisible disability (there are certain things I cannot do for myself, but you'd never know from looking at me).

But it's much more likely she's just engaging in antimustachian behaviour :-P
She could have a visible disability! I've never seen her. But I've been trying to be better about giving people the benefit of the doubt when I encounter "stupid" behavior instead of jumping straight to judge mode.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Fomerly known as something on May 09, 2017, 07:30:00 PM
No fence because apartment building, but still antiMustachian. Walked out to see that the neighbor two doors down had a TideSpin (http://www.tidespin.com/) (laundry service) bag outside her door. I won't say I haven't considered it myself because I hate laundry (especially folding), but I don't think I'd actually pay somebody to do my laundry and deliver it.


I would have some sympathy if she was a single mom or something, but there's only one family with kids on my floor, and it isn't hers. I don't know maybe she has an injury or something? (We have a drycleaning service in our building, so that's not the reason.)

When I lived in NYC, I dropped my clothes off at the laundry mat and had them wash and fold.  The $5 or so premium every other week vs spending 2 hours there myself was worth it.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Fomerly known as something on May 10, 2017, 05:49:09 AM
I happened to be "stalking" my neighbor behind my house.  His house is for sale and mine is about to be.  We both have houses approximately the same size built by the same builder.  Trying to figure out how realistic his price is.

The Antimustacian part. 

I mention I'm being transferred to another city. 

He has gotten a promotion so is going to move to a much more expensive suburb.  So he's moving just to pay more for a house.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on May 18, 2017, 03:18:13 PM
When I returned home from my bike ride yesterday afternoon (yea me!) I saw what looked like some kind of Christmas decoration in the yard of the new neighbors on the corner of my street. It was some kind of flashing bright white light, quite visible even at 6 p.m. on a bright May day, surrounded by mist. I got closer and realized it is a "sprinkler" with a bright LED light. A couple of details to make this even more ridiculous: 1. This is Houston, which averages around 44 inches of rain each year, making it a borderline tropical rain forest. 2. We just got some rain in the last few days. 3. Heavy rain is forecast for today (we already had a couple of small downpours). I water my grass about once every five years. 4. This "sprinkler" tosses the water in the air, turning much of it to mist which is carried away in the wind.  They must be thinking, "how can I dispose of more natural resources faster?"  Naturally, a giant new pickup sits on the street in front of the house despite the three-car attached garage--likely full of more vehicles.

Another house in our neighborhood parks three pickups, a large SUV and a VW Beetle in their drive (actually, they have taken to parking one of the trucks on the vacant lot next door--classy). Who the fuck needs that much hauling capacity??

OK, this is a pretty late response, but if your area really gets that much rainfall, how does using the sprinkler really waste resources?  Wouldn't your reservoirs all be full and running off into the ocean?

I don't get the LED though.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BuffaloStache on May 18, 2017, 07:12:56 PM
^I think the point is that with all that rainfall, the grass shouldn't need that much watering.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: zolotiyeruki on May 18, 2017, 07:27:52 PM
OK, this is a pretty late response, but if your area really gets that much rainfall, how does using the sprinkler really waste resources?  Wouldn't your reservoirs all be full and running off into the ocean?
Some flat areas don't have reservoirs (see the Midwest and Southeast US).
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TomTX on May 18, 2017, 08:01:54 PM
When I returned home from my bike ride yesterday afternoon (yea me!) I saw what looked like some kind of Christmas decoration in the yard of the new neighbors on the corner of my street. It was some kind of flashing bright white light, quite visible even at 6 p.m. on a bright May day, surrounded by mist. I got closer and realized it is a "sprinkler" with a bright LED light. A couple of details to make this even more ridiculous: 1. This is Houston, which averages around 44 inches of rain each year, making it a borderline tropical rain forest. 2. We just got some rain in the last few days. 3. Heavy rain is forecast for today (we already had a couple of small downpours). I water my grass about once every five years. 4. This "sprinkler" tosses the water in the air, turning much of it to mist which is carried away in the wind.  They must be thinking, "how can I dispose of more natural resources faster?"  Naturally, a giant new pickup sits on the street in front of the house despite the three-car attached garage--likely full of more vehicles.

Another house in our neighborhood parks three pickups, a large SUV and a VW Beetle in their drive (actually, they have taken to parking one of the trucks on the vacant lot next door--classy). Who the fuck needs that much hauling capacity??

OK, this is a pretty late response, but if your area really gets that much rainfall, how does using the sprinkler really waste resources?  Wouldn't your reservoirs all be full and running off into the ocean?

I don't get the LED though.

Waste of the energy and effort to purify that water to drinking standards and pump it to the location, even if you had an infinite reservoir.

In this particular case, Houston is thirsty enough that a significant fraction of their drinking water was "previously owned" (Heh. Flush!) by someone in the Dallas/Fort Worth area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_River_(Texas)#/media/File:Trinity_Watershed.png
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MrMoogle on May 19, 2017, 09:59:55 AM
I think it's a toy for kids to play with.  I could understand an LED for that...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on May 19, 2017, 11:59:38 AM
OK, this is a pretty late response, but if your area really gets that much rainfall, how does using the sprinkler really waste resources?  Wouldn't your reservoirs all be full and running off into the ocean?
Some flat areas don't have reservoirs (see the Midwest and Southeast US).

Waste of the energy and effort to purify that water to drinking standards and pump it to the location, even if you had an infinite reservoir.

In this particular case, Houston is thirsty enough that a significant fraction of their drinking water was "previously owned" (Heh. Flush!) by someone in the Dallas/Fort Worth area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_River_(Texas)#/media/File:Trinity_Watershed.png

Eww. So you guys drink ....

(http://images.amcnetworks.com/ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Idiocracy-14.jpg)

Around here we only drink the finest melted sierra snowpack.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TomTX on May 19, 2017, 02:09:51 PM

Around here we only drink the finest melted sierra snowpack.

Uh huh.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/01/world/from-toilet-to-tap-water/
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on May 19, 2017, 02:39:39 PM

Around here we only drink the finest melted sierra snowpack.

Uh huh.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/01/world/from-toilet-to-tap-water/

That would be a relevant article if I lived in Orange County
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BuffaloStache on May 20, 2017, 06:49:13 AM
^excellent reference DragonCar. From that, I'm pretty sure we know the solution is to get rid of the sprinkler altogether and just spray them with Brawndo- it's what plants crave!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on May 20, 2017, 12:24:56 PM
^excellent reference DragonCar. From that, I'm pretty sure we know the solution is to get rid of the sprinkler altogether and just spray them with Brawndo- it's what plants crave!

Only way to mutilate their thirst!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kimera757 on July 04, 2017, 08:37:56 PM
My neighbor, who is on welfare disability (for something physical) did something crazy again. He caught up to his rent (after taking legal action against the bank), then fell behind a month because he had ignored at least three Hydro bills. They took money out of his new bank account. It's possible they sued him.

My building is rent-controlled and the tenants want to raise rent more than the guidelines. They do this every year. To be fair they have expenses, and a lot of neighbors are acting paranoid. They say they deliberately paid for expensive services so they could boost the rent, which makes little sense, since they don't get to keep any of that extra money. Unless they're in cahoots, but there's no proof.

Many building residents are seniors on "fixed income" or welfare. Normal rate increases keep pace with seniors' fixed income but outpaces that of those on welfare. Above-rate increases, of course, make it harder even on seniors. The buildings are old and need lots of maintenance (which naturally neighbors complain they aren't getting). There are legitimate complaints on both sides.

Some of my neighbors are participating in a rent strike. A lawyer has been telling them they can get away with not paying rent for three months, even if they get an eviction notice. Ontario rules are so tenant-favored that this advice might be accurate (though not "good advice"). The landlord promised not to punish the rent strikers, which I'm sure will bite them in the rear because some of their tenants will spend the money rather than save it.

So my irresponsible neighbor is "pretending" to participate in the rent strike. I saw him coming back from the grocery store today. I have no idea how he carried all that stuff (at least twelve full-sized plastic bags, not exaggerating), since he didn't have a cart. A taxi? Uber? Given his health issues, there's no way he carried all that by himself. He bought a lot of stuff on sale, but he also bought a lot of luxuries like pineapples. He's even buying treats for my dogs (nice, but not necessary, as I'm gainfully employed and he knows that). He also offered my mother $20 to wash his dishes. While my mother is a poor senior on "fixed income", she is clearly better off than him.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Linea_Norway on July 05, 2017, 05:03:01 AM
My neighbour's new solar panels are still standing in his other neighbour's garage for the second summer in a row. I don't understand it. Maybe he is waiting until he has saved enough money to buy a Tesla wall, as he is a major Tesla fan.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: solon on July 05, 2017, 03:51:36 PM
He also offered my mother $20 to wash his dishes. While my mother is a poor senior on "fixed income", she is clearly better off than him.

She should take him up on the offer. Might accelerate his departure.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: marty998 on July 06, 2017, 02:47:38 AM
I happened to be "stalking" my neighbor behind my house.  His house is for sale and mine is about to be.  We both have houses approximately the same size built by the same builder.  Trying to figure out how realistic his price is.

The Antimustacian part. 

I mention I'm being transferred to another city. 

He has gotten a promotion so is going to move to a much more expensive suburb.  So he's moving just to pay more for a house.

Can you find a developer who might want to combine both blocks and build terraces/townhouses on them?

You could get a premium for selling together.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BTDretire on July 06, 2017, 06:36:25 AM
We've found that a good alternative to the long dive is to set the baby and car seat on a running clothes dryer. You get the same sound and vibration that way, without spending a bunch on gasoline :)

 We did the dryer thing, I also used to set my daughters rocker in front of the TV with MTV on, she would settle right down. That was 25 years ago, when MTV was constant music videos, (for you youngsters).
 :-)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BuffaloStache on July 06, 2017, 08:06:02 AM
There is a neighbor in my condo complex (one of the ones I don't know/talk to) who drives a 4-door porsche. We live in a condo complex where even the largest unit is ~2,000 sq ft. I can only surmise 1 of 2 options explains it:
1. He is a consumer sukka member of the clown commuting club.
2. He is already FI, and this is his "indulgence" purchase?

Either way, a 4-door porsche? Why not get a real one?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: solon on July 06, 2017, 08:49:04 AM
There is a neighbor in my condo complex (one of the ones I don't know/talk to) who drives a 4-door porsche. We live in a condo complex where even the largest unit is ~2,000 sq ft. I can only surmise 1 of 2 options explains it:
1. He is a consumer sukka member of the clown commuting club.
2. He is already FI, and this is his "indulgence" purchase?

Either way, a 4-door porsche? Why not get a real one?

My MPP: I don't know enough about porsche's to know why a 4-door one is odd?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MustachiansWitness on July 06, 2017, 08:52:50 AM
We've found that a good alternative to the long dive is to set the baby and car seat on a running clothes dryer. You get the same sound and vibration that way, without spending a bunch on gasoline :)

 We did the dryer thing, I also used to set my daughters rocker in front of the TV with MTV on, she would settle right down. That was 25 years ago, when MTV was constant music videos, (for you youngsters).
 :-)

Lol, so the three solutions proposed on this forum now are an SUV, an electric dryer and a TV (with a cable channel). A Mustachian would be against all three of these! I don't even have kids or know anything about this, but I just thought that was funny.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: jinga nation on July 06, 2017, 09:12:47 AM
There is a neighbor in my condo complex (one of the ones I don't know/talk to) who drives a 4-door porsche. We live in a condo complex where even the largest unit is ~2,000 sq ft. I can only surmise 1 of 2 options explains it:
1. He is a consumer sukka member of the clown commuting club.
2. He is already FI, and this is his "indulgence" purchase?

Either way, a 4-door porsche? Why not get a real one?
I'm assuming it is the Panamera. That is a fine family performance vehicle, when under warranty. I have driven one, but I ain't owning one.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BuffaloStache on July 06, 2017, 10:48:23 AM
...Panamera...is a fine family performance vehicle, when under warranty. I have driven one, but I ain't owning one.

Exactly, I don't see a legitimate (and especially a mustachian) reason you would need a family performance vehicle. Also, everytime I've seen the owner driving by, he has no one else in the car with him. Which means he isn't even using it as a family car.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: jinga nation on July 06, 2017, 03:05:35 PM
...Panamera...is a fine family performance vehicle, when under warranty. I have driven one, but I ain't owning one.

Exactly, I don't see a legitimate (and especially a mustachian) reason you would need a family performance vehicle. Also, everytime I've seen the owner driving by, he has no one else in the car with him. Which means he isn't even using it as a family car.
I've seen several in my area, on weekends, with backseat passengers.
A mustachian most probably does not need a family performance vehicle. But a mustachian is a statistical outlier. That vehicle, along with the Audi S7, is for the poseur family.
Mock On!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on July 06, 2017, 05:40:30 PM
...Panamera...is a fine family performance vehicle, when under warranty. I have driven one, but I ain't owning one.

Exactly, I don't see a legitimate (and especially a mustachian) reason you would need a family performance vehicle. Also, everytime I've seen the owner driving by, he has no one else in the car with him. Which means he isn't even using it as a family car.

If used responsibly, it is safer to be in a big car during collisions.  But big cars have crap acceleration.  Also used responsibly, big cars with good maneuverability, acceleration, and stopping power (i.e. "performance") are safer.  So if you really want to be very safe, a performance family car can make sense.  There are probably cheaper ways to be equally safe, but compared to, say, a 20 year old Caravan, you're gonna have a good time.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MrMoogle on July 07, 2017, 06:51:14 AM
...Panamera...is a fine family performance vehicle, when under warranty. I have driven one, but I ain't owning one.

Exactly, I don't see a legitimate (and especially a mustachian) reason you would need a family performance vehicle. Also, everytime I've seen the owner driving by, he has no one else in the car with him. Which means he isn't even using it as a family car.

If used responsibly, it is safer to be in a big car during collisions.  But big cars have crap acceleration.  Also used responsibly, big cars with good maneuverability, acceleration, and stopping power (i.e. "performance") are safer.  So if you really want to be very safe, a performance family car can make sense.  There are probably cheaper ways to be equally safe, but compared to, say, a 20 year old Caravan, you're gonna have a good time.
It is safer for you to be in a big car during collisions, but not the other guy.  If everyone drove smaller cars, everyone would be safer.  But I guess I can't get everyone to drive smaller cars.  Since there are so many SUVs and trucks here, I can understand getting something bigger to defend yourself, but it's a race to the biggest, which isn't a good race in the long term IMO.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Fomerly known as something on July 07, 2017, 07:18:16 PM
I happened to be "stalking" my neighbor behind my house.  His house is for sale and mine is about to be.  We both have houses approximately the same size built by the same builder.  Trying to figure out how realistic his price is.

The Antimustacian part. 

I mention I'm being transferred to another city. 

He has gotten a promotion so is going to move to a much more expensive suburb.  So he's moving just to pay more for a house.

Can you find a developer who might want to combine both blocks and build terraces/townhouses on them?

You could get a premium for selling together.

Not an option in the neighborhood.  They are new builds (both are less than 5 years old).  While our town is working on adding in multifamily housing options in appropriate areas, our lots are going to stay single family for a long time.

But I don't care because my place is pending for basically asking and slightly more than I expected.  His (I think he overpriced it) has had a first reduction in price and I haven't talked to him since it happened.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: redbird on July 08, 2017, 03:35:54 PM
My neighbour's new solar panels are still standing in his other neighbour's garage for the second summer in a row. I don't understand it. Maybe he is waiting until he has saved enough money to buy a Tesla wall, as he is a major Tesla fan.

Does the neighbor who has the panels in his garage get rent? I wouldn't let anyone store solar panels long term in my garage unless they were paying me to use the space. They're not exactly tiny.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Linea_Norway on July 11, 2017, 04:27:24 AM
My neighbour's new solar panels are still standing in his other neighbour's garage for the second summer in a row. I don't understand it. Maybe he is waiting until he has saved enough money to buy a Tesla wall, as he is a major Tesla fan.

Does the neighbor who has the panels in his garage get rent? I wouldn't let anyone store solar panels long term in my garage unless they were paying me to use the space. They're not exactly tiny.

No, they are best friends.
But like you, I wouldn't allow for this as a permanent solution either.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: MgoSam on July 12, 2017, 02:54:39 PM
My neighbour's new solar panels are still standing in his other neighbour's garage for the second summer in a row. I don't understand it. Maybe he is waiting until he has saved enough money to buy a Tesla wall, as he is a major Tesla fan.

Does the neighbor who has the panels in his garage get rent? I wouldn't let anyone store solar panels long term in my garage unless they were paying me to use the space. They're not exactly tiny.

No, they are best friends.
But like you, I wouldn't allow for this as a permanent solution either.

I can't see myself allowing any friends, besties or not, to do this for that long without some sort of agreement. With stuff that is expensive and can be broken I wouldn't want to be held liable for any damages. Right now my company's warehouse has a ton of space that we aren't using.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Lauran75 on July 14, 2017, 12:19:37 PM
We have a neighbor that has a huge RV in their driveway. We have lived in our home for just over a year now. The RV has not moved once. I did see someone going in and out of it the other day though, so maybe they're going to actually use it.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: forumname123 on July 14, 2017, 12:27:05 PM
We have a neighbor that has a huge RV in their driveway. We have lived in our home for just over a year now. The RV has not moved once. I did see someone going in and out of it the other day though, so maybe they're going to actually use it.

In my experience many people use them more for extra storage than anything. They are a good excuse to have extra sets of dishes/sheets/cutlery/cookware/etc...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: paddedhat on July 14, 2017, 03:55:46 PM
We have a neighbor that has a huge RV in their driveway. We have lived in our home for just over a year now. The RV has not moved once. I did see someone going in and out of it the other day though, so maybe they're going to actually use it.

In my experience many people use them more for extra storage than anything. They are a good excuse to have extra sets of dishes/sheets/cutlery/cookware/etc...

Two decades of owning them, met a few hundred others that do, and have yet to hear your logic from a single owner. Heard a LOT of bitching about what a total PITA it is to try to own, and inventory two of everything, but have yet to hear somebody who was happy about owning a rolling storage unit.  Never fails that you are a thousand miles from home and discover that you have TWO wine openers in the kitchen drawer at home, and none in the RV. Sadly, I have seen a tons of RVs that are used for the three summer holidays and not much else. Horrendous waste of money. Now, I did make a nice living building vacation homes, and in a contest of stupidity, buying a vacation home makes the average RV purchase look like a pack of gum.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: forumname123 on July 14, 2017, 04:05:43 PM
Two decades of owning them, met a few hundred others that do, and have yet to hear your logic from a single owner. Heard a LOT of bitching about what a total PITA it is to try to own, and inventory two of everything, but have yet to hear somebody who was happy about owning a rolling storage unit.  Never fails that you are a thousand miles from home and discover that you have TWO wine openers in the kitchen drawer at home, and none in the RV. Sadly, I have seen a tons of RVs that are used for the three summer holidays and not much else. Horrendous waste of money. Now, I did make a nice living building vacation homes, and in a contest of stupidity, buying a vacation home makes the average RV purchase look like a pack of gum.

I think you missed my point. These are not "rolling storage units" for many people. They don't travel with them, and therefor they are only stationary storage units. They operate more like oddly shaped garages, holding extra _____'s for supposed future use. Of course when these people are off buying multiple _____'s, they justify duplicate purchases by telling themselves they need one for the house and one for the RV.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: nouveauRiche on July 14, 2017, 04:14:28 PM
In the past couple of years, two different neighbors/acquaintances each sold a moderate-sized house (1300-1800 sq ft) in our ridiculously high cost of living area.  I assume each walked away with a big pile of equity from the sale, based on how long they lived here & how crazy things have been recently.

Each moved to a slightly less ridiculous COL area and bought a HUGE house (5000-7000 sq ft) for more $$$ than they got for the house here.  Each has a family of four.  It makes my brain hurt.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on July 14, 2017, 05:22:33 PM
My neighbour's new solar panels are still standing in his other neighbour's garage for the second summer in a row. I don't understand it. Maybe he is waiting until he has saved enough money to buy a Tesla wall, as he is a major Tesla fan.

Does the neighbor who has the panels in his garage get rent? I wouldn't let anyone store solar panels long term in my garage unless they were paying me to use the space. They're not exactly tiny.

No, they are best friends.
But like you, I wouldn't allow for this as a permanent solution either.

I can't see myself allowing any friends, besties or not, to do this for that long without some sort of agreement. With stuff that is expensive and can be broken I wouldn't want to be held liable for any damages. Right now my company's warehouse has a ton of space that we aren't using.

I don't mind storing my friend's expensive stuff because inevitably it just becomes mine by default.  I've been "storing" a 50" TV for the past couple years.  This friend is more likely to buy a new one when he finally gets a bigger place than to want his "old, small" TV back.

I'll store any solar panels outside in the sun.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: paddedhat on July 14, 2017, 07:28:43 PM
Two decades of owning them, met a few hundred others that do, and have yet to hear your logic from a single owner. Heard a LOT of bitching about what a total PITA it is to try to own, and inventory two of everything, but have yet to hear somebody who was happy about owning a rolling storage unit.  Never fails that you are a thousand miles from home and discover that you have TWO wine openers in the kitchen drawer at home, and none in the RV. Sadly, I have seen a tons of RVs that are used for the three summer holidays and not much else. Horrendous waste of money. Now, I did make a nice living building vacation homes, and in a contest of stupidity, buying a vacation home makes the average RV purchase look like a pack of gum.

I think you missed my point. These are not "rolling storage units" for many people. They don't travel with them, and therefor they are only stationary storage units. They operate more like oddly shaped garages, holding extra _____'s for supposed future use. Of course when these people are off buying multiple _____'s, they justify duplicate purchases by telling themselves they need one for the house and one for the RV.

Ah, well that's a whole other level of strange, I guess. Unless the RV is basically trash, it's worth something and continuing to depreciate. Always amazes me that folks like that don't just put the thing on Craigslist and at least get some cash out of it.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Alfred J Quack on July 15, 2017, 03:16:50 PM
My neighbour's new solar panels are still standing in his other neighbour's garage for the second summer in a row. I don't understand it. Maybe he is waiting until he has saved enough money to buy a Tesla wall, as he is a major Tesla fan.

Does the neighbor who has the panels in his garage get rent? I wouldn't let anyone store solar panels long term in my garage unless they were paying me to use the space. They're not exactly tiny.

No, they are best friends.
But like you, I wouldn't allow for this as a permanent solution either.

I can't see myself allowing any friends, besties or not, to do this for that long without some sort of agreement. With stuff that is expensive and can be broken I wouldn't want to be held liable for any damages. Right now my company's warehouse has a ton of space that we aren't using.

I don't mind storing my friend's expensive stuff because inevitably it just becomes mine by default.  I've been "storing" a 50" TV for the past couple years.  This friend is more likely to buy a new one when he finally gets a bigger place than to want his "old, small" TV back.

I'll store any solar panels outside in the sun.
Did the same with my dad's stuff. I'd been storing it for 5 years and moving it because I moved too. I told him he needed to pick it up if he still wanted it, he replied use what you want and sell what you can't except for 2 specific things. So I did and we considered any profit as rent for the storage. (we also dumped 5 boxes of clothes hangers, 8 boxes of expired financial information etc).

Regarding the fence:
My neigbour is redecorating his house, for the third time in 12 years. 4 years ago he redid the kitchen and of course the floor no longer matched the kitchen rebuild so that's what he's doing now. With every rebuild he has to redo the walls and the ceilings, he was complaining about it too... Only plus on it is that he's a contractor and does most, or maybe even all of it, himself.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Cassie on July 16, 2017, 02:15:48 PM
WE bought a used motorhome 10 years ago thinking that we would use it a lot when we retired. Well we haven't taken a ton of trips. It only gets 9 mpg so it costs a ton to take a big trip. We decided for that price we can take a much nicer vacation. However, we have decided against selling it mainly because we use it a lot for an extra guest room.  We also have 1 guest room/office in the house. We love having people visit from all over and staying with us.  My son and DIL even lived in it for 18 months to save $. It is parked on our land for free.  We have no regrets because it was old with very low miles and well kept so did not cost much. It is a smaller bed (double) so I keep 2 sets of sheets for it, small amount of plastic dishes, few cups, silverware, old pans etc.  We keep some items in it like our lawn chairs so don't have to pack it up each time. The dishes I bring in and run thru the dishwasher in the beginning of the season. We also let all our 5 adult kids use it if they want to for a trip.  We have had people knock on the door and offer to buy it since they don;t see it move much.  My DH has also lived in it when he gets bored and picks up a consulting gig out of town.  So there may be reasons people are hanging on to them.  Now if they bought it new then all I can say is Yikes!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mustachepungoeshere on July 16, 2017, 10:11:08 PM
I don't mind storing my friend's expensive stuff because inevitably it just becomes mine by default.  I've been "storing" a 50" TV for the past couple years.  This friend is more likely to buy a new one when he finally gets a bigger place than to want his "old, small" TV back.

I'll store any solar panels outside in the sun.

This.

A friend lives in a duplex owned by his employer. A colleague lived in the other half but didn't have a carport, so he had a pool table delivered and left it in my friend's carport. For a year. Then he left the job, the duplex, and the pool table.

The pool table has been in my friend's family room for three years now.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: marty998 on July 17, 2017, 02:54:35 AM
I don't mind storing my friend's expensive stuff because inevitably it just becomes mine by default.  I've been "storing" a 50" TV for the past couple years.  This friend is more likely to buy a new one when he finally gets a bigger place than to want his "old, small" TV back.

I'll store any solar panels outside in the sun.

This.

A friend lives in a duplex owned by his employer. A colleague lived in the other half but didn't have a carport, so he had a pool table delivered and left it in my friend's carport. For a year. Then he left the job, the duplex, and the pool table.

The pool table has been in my friend's family room for three years now.

How does one forget about a pool table.

I mean, surely, at some point when he wanted to invite his mates around for a bear and a game of pool.... the penny didn't drop at all???
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mustachepungoeshere on July 17, 2017, 03:41:20 AM
I don't mind storing my friend's expensive stuff because inevitably it just becomes mine by default.  I've been "storing" a 50" TV for the past couple years.  This friend is more likely to buy a new one when he finally gets a bigger place than to want his "old, small" TV back.

I'll store any solar panels outside in the sun.

This.

A friend lives in a duplex owned by his employer. A colleague lived in the other half but didn't have a carport, so he had a pool table delivered and left it in my friend's carport. For a year. Then he left the job, the duplex, and the pool table.

The pool table has been in my friend's family room for three years now.

How does one forget about a pool table.

I mean, surely, at some point when he wanted to invite his mates around for a bear and a game of pool.... the penny didn't drop at all???

I know you mean beer but still giggling at this. :D
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: With This Herring on July 17, 2017, 08:46:08 AM
I don't mind storing my friend's expensive stuff because inevitably it just becomes mine by default.  I've been "storing" a 50" TV for the past couple years.  This friend is more likely to buy a new one when he finally gets a bigger place than to want his "old, small" TV back.

I'll store any solar panels outside in the sun.

This.

A friend lives in a duplex owned by his employer. A colleague lived in the other half but didn't have a carport, so he had a pool table delivered and left it in my friend's carport. For a year. Then he left the job, the duplex, and the pool table.

The pool table has been in my friend's family room for three years now.

We had multiple roommates a few years back.  #1 left his large, solid wood table (along with many other possessions) when he "temporarily" left the city to do some more college.  He promised he would grab them later.  A year later, we were planning to move to a smaller apartment not suitable for roommates.  It did not have the space for this gorgeous table.  We kept badgering #1 to come back and move his table to his mother's house, as he promised, but he said he would do it on our moving day.

Well, moving day came.  We rented a UHaul for the day and got everything except that table to the new apartment.  He called and said he would be there first thing the next morning before the move-out inspection.  We returned the UHaul.  Early the next morning, he texted to say that a relative was in the hospital and he couldn't make it.  We would be penalized if any possessions were left in the apartment.  We prevailed upon friends with an SUV (also friends of his) to come take the table to their house, as we no longer even had means to transport it.  We later learned that #1 had no relatives in the hospital; he just didn't feel like getting up that morning.

Now SUV friends have a lovely table that is perfect for their house, and we have learned never to rely on #1 for anything.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: marty998 on July 20, 2017, 03:15:00 AM
I don't mind storing my friend's expensive stuff because inevitably it just becomes mine by default.  I've been "storing" a 50" TV for the past couple years.  This friend is more likely to buy a new one when he finally gets a bigger place than to want his "old, small" TV back.

I'll store any solar panels outside in the sun.

This.

A friend lives in a duplex owned by his employer. A colleague lived in the other half but didn't have a carport, so he had a pool table delivered and left it in my friend's carport. For a year. Then he left the job, the duplex, and the pool table.

The pool table has been in my friend's family room for three years now.

How does one forget about a pool table.

I mean, surely, at some point when he wanted to invite his mates around for a bear and a game of pool.... the penny didn't drop at all???

I know you mean beer but still giggling at this. :D

God damn typos. Thankyou for laughing at my expense ;)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: paddedhat on July 20, 2017, 12:01:58 PM
I don't mind storing my friend's expensive stuff because inevitably it just becomes mine by default.  I've been "storing" a 50" TV for the past couple years.  This friend is more likely to buy a new one when he finally gets a bigger place than to want his "old, small" TV back.

I'll store any solar panels outside in the sun.

This.

A friend lives in a duplex owned by his employer. A colleague lived in the other half but didn't have a carport, so he had a pool table delivered and left it in my friend's carport. For a year. Then he left the job, the duplex, and the pool table.

The pool table has been in my friend's family room for three years now.

We had multiple roommates a few years back.  #1 left his large, solid wood table (along with many other possessions) when he "temporarily" left the city to do some more college.  He promised he would grab them later.  A year later, we were planning to move to a smaller apartment not suitable for roommates.  It did not have the space for this gorgeous table.  We kept badgering #1 to come back and move his table to his mother's house, as he promised, but he said he would do it on our moving day.

Well, moving day came.  We rented a UHaul for the day and got everything except that table to the new apartment.  He called and said he would be there first thing the next morning before the move-out inspection.  We returned the UHaul.  Early the next morning, he texted to say that a relative was in the hospital and he couldn't make it.  We would be penalized if any possessions were left in the apartment.  We prevailed upon friends with an SUV (also friends of his) to come take the table to their house, as we no longer even had means to transport it.  We later learned that #1 had no relatives in the hospital; he just didn't feel like getting up that morning.

Now SUV friends have a lovely table that is perfect for their house, and we have learned never to rely on #1 for anything.

The concept of people failing to take ownership of their crap can be interesting.

We have good friends who have serious issues with a family member who does this. The guy has a job where he travels nearly full time, so all he really needs is a tiny apartment to get along. He also comes from a large rural family that dabbles in farming. This guy will go to farm auctions and buy strange stuff, that he has absolutely zero need for, no ability to transport, and no place to store. He then refuses to remove his stuff, from the site of the auction, ever.  This includes things like large amounts of leftover/used lumber and old worn out farm equipment. Since my friends are a know reliable family in the community, they get the "why won't your brother pick this shit up, and what are you going to do about it, since he won't answer his phone?" calls.

Years later, he comes up with a scheme to use the crap he bought, and shows up at a farm, which he might not even know the new owner of, demanding his goods, in good shape. Which, as you might guess, is not well received by the decent folks he is accusing of theft, or not storing his junk properly.

Yep, humans are strange.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: With This Herring on July 20, 2017, 12:29:43 PM
[nested stories of stuff left behind]

The concept of people failing to take ownership of their crap can be interesting.

We have good friends who have serious issues with a family member who does this. The guy has a job where he travels nearly full time, so all he really needs is a tiny apartment to get along. He also comes from a large rural family that dabbles in farming. This guy will go to farm auctions and buy strange stuff, that he has absolutely zero need for, no ability to transport, and no place to store. He then refuses to remove his stuff, from the site of the auction, ever.  This includes things like large amounts of leftover/used lumber and old worn out farm equipment. Since my friends are a know reliable family in the community, they get the "why won't your brother pick this shit up, and what are you going to do about it, since he won't answer his phone?" calls.

Years later, he comes up with a scheme to use the crap he bought, and shows up at a farm, which he might not even know the new owner of, demanding his goods, in good shape. Which, as you might guess, is not well received by the decent folks he is accusing of theft, or not storing his junk properly.

Yep, humans are strange.

Sometimes I wish we could tattoo people with information that would only be visible to those who need to know it.
For auctioneers: "This guy will never take the stuff he bought."
For anyone meeting my ex-roommate: "This guy is very nice and easy to get along with, but completely unreliable."
"This girl loses control of her emotions and words monthly.  Don't take anything she says personally during that time."
"This person will stab you in the back if (s)he sees an advantage to it."
"Don't ask this lady about cows."
"Don't let this man anywhere near fire."
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Dollar Slice on July 20, 2017, 01:10:03 PM
How does one forget about a pool table.

I mean, surely, at some point when he wanted to invite his mates around for a bear and a game of pool.... the penny didn't drop at all???

I know you mean beer but still giggling at this. :D

God damn typos. Thankyou for laughing at my expense ;)

I do some proofreading/editing at work, and I once was proofing an article sent in by a subscriber where someone kept making the same mistake, but in the opposite direction. It was about a bear breaking into his house. It was too long ago to remember the exact wording, but it was full of lines like "I just about crapped my pants when I walked into the kitchen and saw a beer! I've never been so scared in my life!"
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Sibley on July 24, 2017, 08:35:34 AM
....(other stuff removed)

The concept of people failing to take ownership of their crap can be interesting.

We have good friends who have serious issues with a family member who does this. The guy has a job where he travels nearly full time, so all he really needs is a tiny apartment to get along. He also comes from a large rural family that dabbles in farming. This guy will go to farm auctions and buy strange stuff, that he has absolutely zero need for, no ability to transport, and no place to store. He then refuses to remove his stuff, from the site of the auction, ever.  This includes things like large amounts of leftover/used lumber and old worn out farm equipment. Since my friends are a know reliable family in the community, they get the "why won't your brother pick this shit up, and what are you going to do about it, since he won't answer his phone?" calls.

Years later, he comes up with a scheme to use the crap he bought, and shows up at a farm, which he might not even know the new owner of, demanding his goods, in good shape. Which, as you might guess, is not well received by the decent folks he is accusing of theft, or not storing his junk properly.

Yep, humans are strange.

Why is he allowed at the auctions, etc? If everyone knows about him, just ban him.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: cheapass on July 24, 2017, 09:07:02 AM
Had a neighbor meet up the other night with some couples that are in our same age range (early 30's). Wife was talking to the ladies while the dudes were upstairs watching TV.

Wife 1: "We are getting a pool in the next couple of months." (in ground, ~$40K)
Wife 2: "We want to get a bigger house but we also want to get a lake house so we are just going to buy the lake house now until we can afford to upgrade."
Wife 3: "We want to get a lake house so we can use our boat more often." (Just bought a $40K boat and had to buy a brand new massive SUV to tow it, even though the smaller SUV they had previously did just fine. But it's okay because they had just paid off the previous SUV and they were already used to having a car payment. Also proceeds to bitch about how they never have any money)

Meanwhile my wife is looking at these people like they're aliens and thinking about how we're about to drop $30-40K on a rental house down payment instead of new toys. Also, am I insane or is it extraordinarily wasteful to buy a lake house that sits empty half the year and sits empty 5 out of 7 days the other half of the year... like, what the actual fuck?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Spork on July 24, 2017, 04:57:54 PM
Meanwhile my wife is looking at these people like they're aliens and thinking about how we're about to drop $30-40K on a rental house down payment instead of new toys. Also, am I insane or is it extraordinarily wasteful to buy a lake house that sits empty half the year and sits empty 5 out of 7 days the other half of the year... like, what the actual fuck?

It is wasteful... but (at least around my neck of the woods) it's maybe worse than you think.  When I was a kid, a lake house was still an extravagance.  But the ones I visited (we didn't have one) were sort of rustic.  They had indoor plumbing and probably a bed or two, but it was old furniture picked up at garage sales.  Probably no air conditioning (in hot Texas). 

The very same lake now has mansions around it.  Nothing rustic.  The fucking boathouses have a full kitchen, bathroom and a bedroom (becuz: walking all the way back to the actual house up the hill is hard, I think.)  And wait, there's more... This is a Army Corps of Engineers lake.  You own the house, but not the property.  The property is a 99 year lease.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Adventures With Poopsie on July 24, 2017, 08:46:54 PM
Have quite enjoyed reading this so posting to follow.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BTDretire on July 25, 2017, 07:37:01 AM
I don't mind storing my friend's expensive stuff because inevitably it just becomes mine by default.  I've been "storing" a 50" TV for the past couple years.  This friend is more likely to buy a new one when he finally gets a bigger place than to want his "old, small" TV back.

I'll store any solar panels outside in the sun.

This.

A friend lives in a duplex owned by his employer. A colleague lived in the other half but didn't have a carport, so he had a pool table delivered and left it in my friend's carport. For a year. Then he left the job, the duplex, and the pool table.

The pool table has been in my friend's family room for three years now.
My son is moving from a 4bdr apartment near a college to go to another college, 2hrs away.
 His new apartment is furnished, his plan is to move his bed and frame back home, to stack on top of his old bed;-?
 Then he has a circular leather couch, he plans to leave the couch with his roommates for now.
I suggested he try to sell the couch to the existing 3 roommates and be done with it. The room would be
pretty bare without the couch and I think they would be happy to have it.
 His new place is across the street from the college, he has two years left and I would hope he will stay in that apartment two years. So, he will not need a couch for at least two years, I just think ownership will be questionable two years from now, but I can't convince him of that. He said dad, these are my friends.
 Oh well, probably a life lesson, for one of us!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: paddedhat on July 25, 2017, 06:24:35 PM
Also, am I insane or is it extraordinarily wasteful to buy a lake house that sits empty half the year and sits empty 5 out of 7 days the other half of the year... like, what the actual fuck?

I made a really nice pile of coin building vacation homes in a lake-mountain-ski region of the northeast. After a decade of that I learned:

#1. There is no way in hell I would ever own a second home
#2. The majority of the folks I did business with made some extraordinarily bad decisions when purchasing their second homes.  Things like blowing inheritances, emptying retirement accounts, or  going to extremes to get 100% financing on something that they clearly couldn't afford, and never should of been given a loan for.

As for your usage math, which is roughly 50 days a year, that's optimistic from what I have observed.  Most walk away from the settlement table with visions swirling in their heads about being there every weekend, and more. After the first few months of the stress of screwing up schedules at home, and spending Friday night and Sunday afternoon in a mad rush to get there and back, things start to taper off. By the end of the first year, it's more like the reserves, one weekend a month, and a week in the summer. The first year is typically the peak year for days of use, and it tapers down from there. In a solid economy, the place had a 50/50 shot of having a realtors sign in the yard by the fifth year. When I first started I heard this exact tale from one of the old heavy hitters in the real estate business. She then asked me if I knew a particular house in a nearby resort community? I said yes, and she told me that she had sold it, as the listing agent, FIVE TIMES since it was built. The place wasn't thirty years old.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: zephyr911 on July 26, 2017, 11:08:22 AM
Also, am I insane or is it extraordinarily wasteful to buy a lake house that sits empty half the year and sits empty 5 out of 7 days the other half of the year... like, what the actual fuck?

I made a really nice pile of coin building vacation homes in a lake-mountain-ski region of the northeast. After a decade of that I learned:

#1. There is no way in hell I would ever own a second home
#2. The majority of the folks I did business with made some extraordinarily bad decisions when purchasing their second homes.  Things like blowing inheritances, emptying retirement accounts, or  going to extremes to get 100% financing on something that they clearly couldn't afford, and never should of been given a loan for.

As for your usage math, which is roughly 50 days a year, that's optimistic from what I have observed.  Most walk away from the settlement table with visions swirling in their heads about being there every weekend, and more. After the first few months of the stress of screwing up schedules at home, and spending Friday night and Sunday afternoon in a mad rush to get there and back, things start to taper off. By the end of the first year, it's more like the reserves, one weekend a month, and a week in the summer. The first year is typically the peak year for days of use, and it tapers down from there. In a solid economy, the place had a 50/50 shot of having a realtors sign in the yard by the fifth year. When I first started I heard this exact tale from one of the old heavy hitters in the real estate business. She then asked me if I knew a particular house in a nearby resort community? I said yes, and she told me that she had sold it, as the listing agent, FIVE TIMES since it was built. The place wasn't thirty years old.

Only way I'd ever buy vacation property is if it rents for enough to be profitable for the 50+ weeks when I'm not there.

My grandpa had a similar story with a house in HI, though I think it was only 3x that he listed and sold it.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: CptCool on July 26, 2017, 11:25:33 AM
Also, am I insane or is it extraordinarily wasteful to buy a lake house that sits empty half the year and sits empty 5 out of 7 days the other half of the year... like, what the actual fuck?

I made a really nice pile of coin building vacation homes in a lake-mountain-ski region of the northeast. After a decade of that I learned:

#1. There is no way in hell I would ever own a second home
#2. The majority of the folks I did business with made some extraordinarily bad decisions when purchasing their second homes.  Things like blowing inheritances, emptying retirement accounts, or  going to extremes to get 100% financing on something that they clearly couldn't afford, and never should of been given a loan for.

As for your usage math, which is roughly 50 days a year, that's optimistic from what I have observed.  Most walk away from the settlement table with visions swirling in their heads about being there every weekend, and more. After the first few months of the stress of screwing up schedules at home, and spending Friday night and Sunday afternoon in a mad rush to get there and back, things start to taper off. By the end of the first year, it's more like the reserves, one weekend a month, and a week in the summer. The first year is typically the peak year for days of use, and it tapers down from there. In a solid economy, the place had a 50/50 shot of having a realtors sign in the yard by the fifth year. When I first started I heard this exact tale from one of the old heavy hitters in the real estate business. She then asked me if I knew a particular house in a nearby resort community? I said yes, and she told me that she had sold it, as the listing agent, FIVE TIMES since it was built. The place wasn't thirty years old.

Only way I'd ever buy vacation property is if it rents for enough to be profitable for the 50+ weeks when I'm not there.

My grandpa had a similar story with a house in HI, though I think it was only 3x that he listed and sold it.

Even then I think I'd prefer to buy a house solely for rental, then rent a separate vacation home those other 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: zephyr911 on July 26, 2017, 11:49:22 AM

Even then I think I'd prefer to buy a house solely for rental, then rent a separate vacation home those other 2 weeks.

Makes the accounting and tax reporting easier, if nothing else... lol
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Fomerly known as something on July 27, 2017, 08:27:58 AM
While at the local shoe store yearly tent sale.

Old neighbor:  I think these shoes are ugly but they are only $20.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dycker1978 on July 27, 2017, 10:13:17 AM
I have two neghbours that fit this thread...

The first is directly across the street.  They have four dogs that they spoil, new toys all the time etc.  They do a few things that I find quite... interesting...  They own their own business, which, by all accounts is quite successful.  I have spoken to them about retirement, as they are in their late 50 or early 60's.  They say over and over again, that they cant retire.  They have no saving, no exit plan for the business, and they have opted out of CPP because they are self employed, so cant rely on that either.  They are on the second brand new car since we have lived there, in 3 years.  They have a nice four or 5 year old boat, that I have yet to see move, and their dogs have run of their back yard, so they have to lay new sod to make it look good every summer...  They cant seem to figure out why it is so hard to save though.

The neighbours directly to the north of us, seem to have an addiction to cars.  They both bought brand new GMC SUV's the weekend we move into the place 3 years ago.  I am not sure what they drove prior.  My wife and I were out in the garden doing some work, and they wandered out to their back yard, a couple of weeks ago.  They wanted us to come check out what they bought.  So we wonder around, and in their drive way was a matching pair of 2018 new GM SUV's.  They did not share what they paid, but to say that they were having issues getting financing for both, but one would not be an issue. The story is that they told the car company, either they figure out both, or they don't get a sale on either.  This couple work in the oil/gas sector.  He has been laid off almost as much as he worked, since we moved next door, and she is constantly talking that her company will be doing layoffs.  She just had a health scare and could not work for 8 months, but 2 new cars to replace their new cars makes since... SMH.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: cheapass on July 27, 2017, 10:56:49 AM
This couple work in the oil/gas sector.  He has been laid off almost as much as he worked, since we moved next door, and she is constantly talking that her company will be doing layoffs.  She just had a health scare and could not work for 8 months, but 2 new cars to replace their new cars makes since... SMH.

Reminds me of some relatives that live in another state that I observe from Facebook. She is always, always bitching about money and how there's nothing left after the bills each month. Guess what pops up a couple of months ago? Photos of 2 brand new Jeep SUV's, complete with the hashtag #POWERCOUPLE

LOL
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Jtrey17 on July 27, 2017, 11:44:02 AM
This couple work in the oil/gas sector.  He has been laid off almost as much as he worked, since we moved next door, and she is constantly talking that her company will be doing layoffs.  She just had a health scare and could not work for 8 months, but 2 new cars to replace their new cars makes since... SMH.

Reminds me of some relatives that live in another state that I observe from Facebook. She is always, always bitching about money and how there's nothing left after the bills each month. Guess what pops up a couple of months ago? Photos of 2 brand new Jeep SUV's, complete with the hashtag
#POWERCOUPLE

LOL


Lol is right! Aren't they like 50 grand new?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: RWD on July 27, 2017, 12:44:46 PM
This couple work in the oil/gas sector.  He has been laid off almost as much as he worked, since we moved next door, and she is constantly talking that her company will be doing layoffs.  She just had a health scare and could not work for 8 months, but 2 new cars to replace their new cars makes since... SMH.

Reminds me of some relatives that live in another state that I observe from Facebook. She is always, always bitching about money and how there's nothing left after the bills each month. Guess what pops up a couple of months ago? Photos of 2 brand new Jeep SUV's, complete with the hashtag
#POWERCOUPLE

LOL


Lol is right! Aren't they like 50 grand new?

Assuming they are Jeep Grand Cherokees (the most expensive Jeeps and the only ones that are technically SUVs) then the MSRP starts at $30.4k. The Jeep crossovers start at $18k.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Dicey on July 28, 2017, 08:57:58 AM
How does one forget about a pool table.

I mean, surely, at some point when he wanted to invite his mates around for a bear and a game of pool.... the penny didn't drop at all???

I know you mean beer but still giggling at this. :D

God damn typos. Thankyou for laughing at my expense ;)

I do some proofreading/editing at work, and I once was proofing an article sent in by a subscriber where someone kept making the same mistake, but in the opposite direction. It was about a bear breaking into his house. It was too long ago to remember the exact wording, but it was full of lines like "I just about crapped my pants when I walked into the kitchen and saw a beer! I've never been so scared skeered in my life!"
FTFY.

And marty, we're laughing with you.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BlueHouse on August 10, 2017, 12:08:30 PM

 My son is moving from a 4bdr apartment near a college to go to another college, 2hrs away.
 His new apartment is furnished, his plan is to move his bed and frame back home, to stack on top of his old bed;-?
 Then he has a circular leather couch, he plans to leave the couch with his roommates for now.
I suggested he try to sell the couch to the existing 3 roommates and be done with it. The room would be
pretty bare without the couch and I think they would be happy to have it.
 His new place is across the street from the college, he has two years left and I would hope he will stay in that apartment two years. So, he will not need a couch for at least two years, I just think ownership will be questionable two years from now, but I can't convince him of that. He said dad, these are my friends.
 Oh well, probably a life lesson, for one of us!
May want to have him discuss with his friends now about whose responsibility it will be to move the couch when all the roommates move out.  If he knows he's on the hook to pay to move it after them using it for 2 years, he may feel differently about finding a deal that works for all of them. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: paddedhat on August 10, 2017, 12:50:06 PM

 My son is moving from a 4bdr apartment near a college to go to another college, 2hrs away.
 His new apartment is furnished, his plan is to move his bed and frame back home, to stack on top of his old bed;-?
 Then he has a circular leather couch, he plans to leave the couch with his roommates for now.
I suggested he try to sell the couch to the existing 3 roommates and be done with it. The room would be
pretty bare without the couch and I think they would be happy to have it.
 His new place is across the street from the college, he has two years left and I would hope he will stay in that apartment two years. So, he will not need a couch for at least two years, I just think ownership will be questionable two years from now, but I can't convince him of that. He said dad, these are my friends.
 Oh well, probably a life lesson, for one of us!
May want to have him discuss with his friends now about whose responsibility it will be to move the couch when all the roommates move out.  If he knows he's on the hook to pay to move it after them using it for 2 years, he may feel differently about finding a deal that works for all of them.

Not just friends who can develop strange relationships with stuff you leave until later. As a young guy, I once traded some work for an antique Chestnut wood church bench. It was 12' long, and I had no room for it, so I made the mistake of asking my mom if I could leave it, along with an Antique, solid oak, teacher's desk. Oddly enough, as time went buy, both had been put to good use at the family home, and had gone from being stored items to major pieces in a large dining room. A decade or so goes by, I had my own family and a large house, and wanted to reclaim my furniture. At this point dear ole' mom decided to go the revisionist history route and claim that I had given her both items. I didn't really do too much battle over it, but I was pretty amazed. Mom passed a few years back, and my A-hole sister decides to take up the fight, and declares that "mom wanted me to have the bench, and desk". Yea, right after monkeys fly. Sorry, but no, I'm not allowing a second generation of women in the family to steal my stuff. I loaded the two pieces in my truck and finally got to use the furniture I first bought twenty five years previous.

   Yep, people are strange.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dycker1978 on August 10, 2017, 03:34:13 PM
The neighbours directly to the north of us, seem to have an addiction to cars.  They both bought brand new GMC SUV's the weekend we move into the place 3 years ago.  I am not sure what they drove prior.  My wife and I were out in the garden doing some work, and they wandered out to their back yard, a couple of weeks ago.  They wanted us to come check out what they bought.  So we wonder around, and in their drive way was a matching pair of 2018 new GM SUV's.  They did not share what they paid, but to say that they were having issues getting financing for both, but one would not be an issue. The story is that they told the car company, either they figure out both, or they don't get a sale on either.  This couple work in the oil/gas sector.  He has been laid off almost as much as he worked, since we moved next door, and she is constantly talking that her company will be doing layoffs.  She just had a health scare and could not work for 8 months, but 2 new cars to replace their new cars makes since... SMH.

I need to continue this story...  We were talking to these neighbors last night.  It turns out he has been laid off for the last 7 weeks.  We had noticed that one of the brand new SUV's was gone, but did not know why.  Well it turns out that they "gave it back to the dealer" to get out of their loan.  by Gave it back I mean the sold it back to the dealer for 2/3 what they paid for it and added the "negative equity" to the other loan.  Hey but they only have one car payment not right?

Oh, he got a new job, that is about a 100km commute one way, but now they only have one vehicle.  and her commute is 15 km the other way, so they are going to need to buy a new vehicle... These two are the gift that keep on giving.

Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: paddedhat on August 10, 2017, 05:29:13 PM
The neighbours directly to the north of us, seem to have an addiction to cars.  They both bought brand new GMC SUV's the weekend we move into the place 3 years ago.  I am not sure what they drove prior.  My wife and I were out in the garden doing some work, and they wandered out to their back yard, a couple of weeks ago.  They wanted us to come check out what they bought.  So we wonder around, and in their drive way was a matching pair of 2018 new GM SUV's.  They did not share what they paid, but to say that they were having issues getting financing for both, but one would not be an issue. The story is that they told the car company, either they figure out both, or they don't get a sale on either.  This couple work in the oil/gas sector.  He has been laid off almost as much as he worked, since we moved next door, and she is constantly talking that her company will be doing layoffs.  She just had a health scare and could not work for 8 months, but 2 new cars to replace their new cars makes since... SMH.

I need to continue this story...  We were talking to these neighbors last night.  It turns out he has been laid off for the last 7 weeks.  We had noticed that one of the brand new SUV's was gone, but did not know why.  Well it turns out that they "gave it back to the dealer" to get out of their loan.  by Gave it back I mean the sold it back to the dealer for 2/3 what they paid for it and added the "negative equity" to the other loan.  Hey but they only have one car payment not right?

Oh, he got a new job, that is about a 100km commute one way, but now they only have one vehicle.  and her commute is 15 km the other way, so they are going to need to buy a new vehicle... These two are the gift that keep on giving.

My son is a young engineer in the shale play in the mid-Atlantic states.  Based on what he has been telling me, as I quickly read your story, the thought "damn if these two don't sound like a classic pair of clueless rig workers" popped into my head. Then I re-read and caught the part about being employed in the industry. My son keeps the family tradition of being tight as a frog's ass. Once he started working the fields he was given a company truck, and continued to drive his 20 year old, $1500 BMW on weekends, for another year, until he had $8K off to the side for a good used car. But the stories of stupidity among young guys and families are the stuff of legend. Get a $20/hr job, with minimal benefits, and a company that's trying to work you to death with as many twelve hour days in a row as you can stand. Next you just have to "reward" yourself with a stupid $50-60K pick-up truck that you then throw another $10-15K of stupid shit on, like a lifted suspension, $4K in tires and wheels, etc..... A few months later you get hurt and are living on 25% of your salary, or you get laid off due to a slow down, and suddenly that $800 a month truck mortgage isn't getting paid. Now you have a hillbilly pimpmobile that's worth $30K less than you have in it, and a bank that wants to know if you are bringing it in to the dealer, or do they have to come get it. Nicely played, dumbass.  Stupidity can get expensive, fast.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dycker1978 on August 11, 2017, 07:14:12 AM
The neighbours directly to the north of us, seem to have an addiction to cars.  They both bought brand new GMC SUV's the weekend we move into the place 3 years ago.  I am not sure what they drove prior.  My wife and I were out in the garden doing some work, and they wandered out to their back yard, a couple of weeks ago.  They wanted us to come check out what they bought.  So we wonder around, and in their drive way was a matching pair of 2018 new GM SUV's.  They did not share what they paid, but to say that they were having issues getting financing for both, but one would not be an issue. The story is that they told the car company, either they figure out both, or they don't get a sale on either.  This couple work in the oil/gas sector.  He has been laid off almost as much as he worked, since we moved next door, and she is constantly talking that her company will be doing layoffs.  She just had a health scare and could not work for 8 months, but 2 new cars to replace their new cars makes since... SMH.

I need to continue this story...  We were talking to these neighbors last night.  It turns out he has been laid off for the last 7 weeks.  We had noticed that one of the brand new SUV's was gone, but did not know why.  Well it turns out that they "gave it back to the dealer" to get out of their loan.  by Gave it back I mean the sold it back to the dealer for 2/3 what they paid for it and added the "negative equity" to the other loan.  Hey but they only have one car payment not right?

Oh, he got a new job, that is about a 100km commute one way, but now they only have one vehicle.  and her commute is 15 km the other way, so they are going to need to buy a new vehicle... These two are the gift that keep on giving.

My son is a young engineer in the shale play in the mid-Atlantic states.  Based on what he has been telling me, as I quickly read your story, the thought "damn if these two don't sound like a classic pair of clueless rig workers" popped into my head. Then I re-read and caught the part about being employed in the industry. My son keeps the family tradition of being tight as a frog's ass. Once he started working the fields he was given a company truck, and continued to drive his 20 year old, $1500 BMW on weekends, for another year, until he had $8K off to the side for a good used car. But the stories of stupidity among young guys and families are the stuff of legend. Get a $20/hr job, with minimal benefits, and a company that's trying to work you to death with as many twelve hour days in a row as you can stand. Next you just have to "reward" yourself with a stupid $50-60K pick-up truck that you then throw another $10-15K of stupid shit on, like a lifted suspension, $4K in tires and wheels, etc..... A few months later you get hurt and are living on 25% of your salary, or you get laid off due to a slow down, and suddenly that $800 a month truck mortgage isn't getting paid. Now you have a hillbilly pimpmobile that's worth $30K less than you have in it, and a bank that wants to know if you are bringing it in to the dealer, or do they have to come get it. Nicely played, dumbass.  Stupidity can get expensive, fast.
That just it, they are my age, mid to late 30's.  They are not riggers, but she works for a pipe manufacturing company, which follows the ups and downs of oil.  He is a pipe fitter, so again, not quite a rigger, but see ebbs and flows related to it.

The worst part is they have 3 kids.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on August 11, 2017, 10:40:38 AM
This morning, the Venomous Spaz Beast tried very hard to wake me up. That's unusual early in the morning, because she'd rather curl up in a warm little ball and sleep in. I was having none of it because my alarm wasn't going off. But I should have paid attention because she's a smart little dog. She was responding to something weird going on outside a few doors down. A couple minutes later a car alarm went off, followed by a gunshot. Had I responded when the dog first alerted, drama could have been averted.

We don't live in the kind of neighborhood that has gunshots or car theft.

Although our city is legendary for its violent crime and vehicle thefts, it doesn't happen on our street chiefly because of what we all do when one of us hears or notices something potentially stupid. Everyone stops what they're doing and rushes toward the neighbor who needs help. (My daughter didn't want to do this and suggested I stay inside, but that's how it's done in neighborhoods where the criminals are in charge and it's one of the reasons our city is high-crime to begin with-- we do things differently and that's why there have been no thefts are break-ins for well over a decade.)

Like all the other neighbors I got up immediately and went outside to see a tow truck making off with a vehicle that still had its car alarm going nuts. We all thought it was a theft. Neighbors were pouring out into the street from all the houses nearby, calling 911 and double checking to make sure they'd caught the tow truck and driver on their security cameras (they did.)

Having overcome her desire to stay indoors, my daughter stuck around to get a situation report. It turns out the car in question was bought by the neighbor and his wife, who were no longer together. She'd moved out of town but was supposed to continue payments on the car so that her son could continue using it for school. But for three months, she'd stopped making payments on the car and lied about it. So the car got repossessed. The man and boy whose car it was had no idea the payments hadn't been made; there was no communication.

I feel kind of sorry for the repo guy, who had to be pretty ballsy to take the car even though my neighbor had a shotgun out and fired a warning shot. Being rapidly approached by large numbers of people, at least one of whom was wielding a baseball bat, couldn't have been good for him either. He got out of there before he was surrounded but it was a very near miss for him. We'd have let him go if he really was a repo guy but not without getting to the bottom of the situation first.

The moral of the story is: it sucks to have a car payment. And, never let an ex control something that affects your credit.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: patchyfacialhair on August 11, 2017, 12:30:29 PM
Holy schnikes that's crazy, Grim! Much more eventful than a few weeks ago, when i heard a crash downstairs in the middle of the night...thinking someone broke in...turns out a raccoon made it's way inside.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: marty998 on August 11, 2017, 11:41:44 PM

I feel kind of sorry for the repo guy, who had to be pretty ballsy to take the car even though my neighbor had a shotgun out and fired a warning shot.

How is firing a shotgun with a crowd of people hovering around legal and/or the responsible thing to do in that situation??
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on August 12, 2017, 12:13:44 AM

I feel kind of sorry for the repo guy, who had to be pretty ballsy to take the car even though my neighbor had a shotgun out and fired a warning shot.

How is firing a shotgun with a crowd of people hovering around legal and/or the responsible thing to do in that situation??

Legal? Well, not exactly. I think he was given a ticket or citation of some kind for it but only because the guy with the tow truck turned out to be an actual repo man. If it had been a bona fide car thief nobody would have had a problem with it. Car thieves in the act are legitimate targets in my city these days. The paperwork will most likely be lost or misfiled by the district attorney's office so my neighbor is unlikely to face any serious negative consequences.

Responsible? Well, ideally he'd have gotten the facts from the repo guy first, however the repo guy wasn't exactly sticking around or answering questions and since he'd been skulking around in the dark like a car thief it's reasonable that he was mistaken for one. Cars get stolen more than once an hour in this city; at least one of the cartels has a tow truck. But overall, the gun was loaded with birdshot and the neighbor didn't aim it at anyone.

You have to keep the criminal classes in their place or they'll walk all over you, and the only thing they really respect is violence or the threat thereof. The Supreme Court of New Mexico just told all the judges that they had to let most criminals go with no bail, regardless of how violent or recidivistic they are. Sentences are basically just a slap on the wrist, and it's normal for killers to walk free after just a few years. There aren't enough ankle monitors to go around so nobody is keeping track of much, and in the meantime there's a 10-day deadline to build a complete case and turn over all the evidence to the defense attorneys, or else the charges are dropped. We've had "alleged" rapists and murderers set free. In theory the charges can be re-filed; in practice they won't be because the personnel are flooded with more crime. So the streets are a war zone. Wednesday there was a rolling gunfight in front of a day care. An innocent man walking on the other side of the street was hit by a bullet and a 6-year-old girl was cut by some broken glass. Last week a 14-year-old kid was killed in a drive-by shooting that wounded two other teens, and a 10-year-old kid in his bedroom was shot in the back when someone fired at a house. Bodies are turning up at a rate of three or four a week, there's a police involved shooting at least once a week, and it's about to get worse since rumor has it the feds are pulling out.

So the police are fine with whatever we want to do to people who are actual violent criminals as long as it's not ridiculously sadistic like nailing a guy to a tree (which happened a few months ago in a different neighborhood).

The repo guy wasn't a car thief, and that's why he lived. It's also the only reason the cops got upset about the shotgun. If it had been an actual car thief with a tow truck-- at least one of the cartels has a team like that-- the cops wouldn't have blinked.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Tass on August 13, 2017, 11:31:05 PM
Do roommates count as neighbors? My peers and I are driving our first cars and my roommate is evidently thinking about buying his first, because he asked me:

"Hey, do you think it's a good idea to buy a car on a monthly repayment plan?"
Me: "NO, you'll just end up paying more for the car in the end! Since we have a successful carpool setup anyway I think it makes more sense to save up until you can buy something cheap in cash."

His response? "...but I'm lazy."

Eventually we remembered that our grad program offers small interest-free loans to students for such things so I advised him to go that route and get it taken straight out of his paycheck. Shouldn't have asked my opinion if you just wanted yours validated, my friend!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Spiffy on August 14, 2017, 07:50:00 PM
Also, am I insane or is it extraordinarily wasteful to buy a lake house that sits empty half the year and sits empty 5 out of 7 days the other half of the year... like, what the actual fuck?

I made a really nice pile of coin building vacation homes in a lake-mountain-ski region of the northeast. After a decade of that I learned:

#1. There is no way in hell I would ever own a second home
#2. The majority of the folks I did business with made some extraordinarily bad decisions when purchasing their second homes.  Things like blowing inheritances, emptying retirement accounts, or  going to extremes to get 100% financing on something that they clearly couldn't afford, and never should of been given a loan for.

As for your usage math, which is roughly 50 days a year, that's optimistic from what I have observed.  Most walk away from the settlement table with visions swirling in their heads about being there every weekend, and more. After the first few months of the stress of screwing up schedules at home, and spending Friday night and Sunday afternoon in a mad rush to get there and back, things start to taper off. By the end of the first year, it's more like the reserves, one weekend a month, and a week in the summer. The first year is typically the peak year for days of use, and it tapers down from there. In a solid economy, the place had a 50/50 shot of having a realtors sign in the yard by the fifth year. When I first started I heard this exact tale from one of the old heavy hitters in the real estate business. She then asked me if I knew a particular house in a nearby resort community? I said yes, and she told me that she had sold it, as the listing agent, FIVE TIMES since it was built. The place wasn't thirty years old.
Maybe the house was haunted...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on August 14, 2017, 09:42:48 PM
Also, am I insane or is it extraordinarily wasteful to buy a lake house that sits empty half the year and sits empty 5 out of 7 days the other half of the year... like, what the actual fuck?

I made a really nice pile of coin building vacation homes in a lake-mountain-ski region of the northeast. After a decade of that I learned:

#1. There is no way in hell I would ever own a second home
#2. The majority of the folks I did business with made some extraordinarily bad decisions when purchasing their second homes.  Things like blowing inheritances, emptying retirement accounts, or  going to extremes to get 100% financing on something that they clearly couldn't afford, and never should of been given a loan for.

As for your usage math, which is roughly 50 days a year, that's optimistic from what I have observed.  Most walk away from the settlement table with visions swirling in their heads about being there every weekend, and more. After the first few months of the stress of screwing up schedules at home, and spending Friday night and Sunday afternoon in a mad rush to get there and back, things start to taper off. By the end of the first year, it's more like the reserves, one weekend a month, and a week in the summer. The first year is typically the peak year for days of use, and it tapers down from there. In a solid economy, the place had a 50/50 shot of having a realtors sign in the yard by the fifth year. When I first started I heard this exact tale from one of the old heavy hitters in the real estate business. She then asked me if I knew a particular house in a nearby resort community? I said yes, and she told me that she had sold it, as the listing agent, FIVE TIMES since it was built. The place wasn't thirty years old.
Maybe the house was haunted...

Of course it was! By the ghost of opportunities past.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: paddedhat on August 14, 2017, 10:04:30 PM

Maybe the house was haunted...

Of course it was! By the ghost of opportunities past.

Nope, it's now four years since I built my last place, and I know that quite a few of mine are on their second owners. Nothing for the wife to be on facebook and tell me that one of my old customers just wrote that, "the couple you built the house for, on the next street over, just put a realtor sign up". I think it's a pretty fascinating behavior. The opposite if this is that the ones that hold on to vacation houses, often do so for life. I have had a few customers that were second and third generation owners in a particular resort, or neighborhood. As in, "I spent the summers at my grandparent's place on Lakeview Drive. They still own that house. My mom and dad have a place on Birch circle, that they bought about 20 years ago, and now I want my own". So there seems to be two camps, the ones that "thought" they really wanted or needed a vacation home, and needed a few years to figure out that the reality wasn't a match for the expectations, or the ones that buy one, and still own it thirty or forty years later.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kimera757 on September 06, 2017, 06:48:34 PM
This will probably be my last post about my neighbour, since he just got an eviction notice.

A month or two ago, after my last post, his phone stopped working (probably because he wasn't paying for it; he had bragged it was an internet phone for only $4 a month) and he borrowed our portable phone. He seemed rather reluctant to give it back until forced, but that's another story.

He arranged a meeting with a married couple to buy some of his pile of stuff. I think he was selling them a knife. I found out because they called me on the intercom, and I had to let them in, explain that I wasn't the seller, and so on. He went to their place for the transaction and ended up not selling the knife. Instead, he bought something of theirs!

So today, when I found out about the eviction notice, I learned that he had a small TV on his balcony. Since apparently the big screen TV in his living room and the big screen TV in his bedroom wasn't enough. Despite literally getting an eviction notice today, he was asking if we had the right kind of cables to hook up the balcony TV to his cable setup. I got the impression that he would buy new cables since we didn't have any. Maybe he should sell one of those giant screen TVs to raise funds to pay off his rent debt instead. He's "only" four months behind.

That ex-girlfriend of his who keeps visiting at month's end has a reason for that. She lives in another city, and as I mentioned in earlier posts is also on welfare. However, she hasn't told the welfare office that she moved from our city to her city. She's getting paid the same amount, so while it's fraud, it's not costing the taxpayer more money. However, maintaining this fiction is costing her money.

She doesn't have a bank account. At month's end she has to commute (at least $8 one-way by public transit) to get to the welfare office to get a cheque (she can't have them mailing the cheque, of course) and then take it to Moneymart or some similar place to cash it. Or maybe she has an arrangement with our neighbour, who has a bank account that is frequently in overdraft (in their last conversation, the neighbour was trying to convince her to directly deposit her payment into his bank account). Then she has to go back (but not after spending a few days drinking with my neighbour, so I bet she pays her rent a few days late every month) and that costs at least $8. She takes her disabled adult child with her sometimes, increasing the costs.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mustachepungoeshere on September 06, 2017, 10:02:16 PM
This will probably be my last post about my neighbour, since he just got an eviction notice.

A month or two ago, after my last post, his phone stopped working (probably because he wasn't paying for it; he had bragged it was an internet phone for only $4 a month) and he borrowed our portable phone. He seemed rather reluctant to give it back until forced, but that's another story.

He arranged a meeting with a married couple to buy some of his pile of stuff. I think he was selling them a knife. I found out because they called me on the intercom, and I had to let them in, explain that I wasn't the seller, and so on. He went to their place for the transaction and ended up not selling the knife. Instead, he bought something of theirs!

So today, when I found out about the eviction notice, I learned that he had a small TV on his balcony. Since apparently the big screen TV in his living room and the big screen TV in his bedroom wasn't enough. Despite literally getting an eviction notice today, he was asking if we had the right kind of cables to hook up the balcony TV to his cable setup. I got the impression that he would buy new cables since we didn't have any. Maybe he should sell one of those giant screen TVs to raise funds to pay off his rent debt instead. He's "only" four months behind.

That ex-girlfriend of his who keeps visiting at month's end has a reason for that. She lives in another city, and as I mentioned in earlier posts is also on welfare. However, she hasn't told the welfare office that she moved from our city to her city. She's getting paid the same amount, so while it's fraud, it's not costing the taxpayer more money. However, maintaining this fiction is costing her money.

She doesn't have a bank account. At month's end she has to commute (at least $8 one-way by public transit) to get to the welfare office to get a cheque (she can't have them mailing the cheque, of course) and then take it to Moneymart or some similar place to cash it. Or maybe she has an arrangement with our neighbour, who has a bank account that is frequently in overdraft (in their last conversation, the neighbour was trying to convince her to directly deposit her payment into his bank account). Then she has to go back (but not after spending a few days drinking with my neighbour, so I bet she pays her rent a few days late every month) and that costs at least $8. She takes her disabled adult child with her sometimes, increasing the costs.

This is one of those stories where I just think, Christ, it must cost a huge amount of emotional energy to live like that.

I have friends who think budgeting is hard work and that checking online banking is tedious. No, it's really not.

Having everything set up, automated to an acceptable point, and just ticking over in the background is easy.

Living like that ^^^ would be hard.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: RWD on January 18, 2018, 06:43:11 AM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: jinga nation on January 18, 2018, 08:16:38 AM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...
At least he drives it, right?
Mine fires up his Fox 'Stang 5L V8 every other day and idles for 10-15 mins in his garage. I don't think I've ever seen him drive it.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: RWD on January 18, 2018, 09:02:54 AM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...
At least he drives it, right?
Mine fires up his Fox 'Stang 5L V8 every other day and idles for 10-15 mins in his garage. I don't think I've ever seen him drive it.
I assume he commutes with it. I can't think of why he'd go outside in 11 degree weather at 7 am to idle it otherwise. If he had a more reasonably sized commuter car it would fit in his garage and it wouldn't be so cold that he'd have to warm it up at all...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on January 18, 2018, 09:39:40 AM
Also, am I insane or is it extraordinarily wasteful to buy a lake house that sits empty half the year and sits empty 5 out of 7 days the other half of the year... like, what the actual fuck?

I made a really nice pile of coin building vacation homes in a lake-mountain-ski region of the northeast. After a decade of that I learned:

#1. There is no way in hell I would ever own a second home
#2. The majority of the folks I did business with made some extraordinarily bad decisions when purchasing their second homes.  Things like blowing inheritances, emptying retirement accounts, or  going to extremes to get 100% financing on something that they clearly couldn't afford, and never should of been given a loan for.

As for your usage math, which is roughly 50 days a year, that's optimistic from what I have observed.  Most walk away from the settlement table with visions swirling in their heads about being there every weekend, and more. After the first few months of the stress of screwing up schedules at home, and spending Friday night and Sunday afternoon in a mad rush to get there and back, things start to taper off. By the end of the first year, it's more like the reserves, one weekend a month, and a week in the summer. The first year is typically the peak year for days of use, and it tapers down from there. In a solid economy, the place had a 50/50 shot of having a realtors sign in the yard by the fifth year. When I first started I heard this exact tale from one of the old heavy hitters in the real estate business. She then asked me if I knew a particular house in a nearby resort community? I said yes, and she told me that she had sold it, as the listing agent, FIVE TIMES since it was built. The place wasn't thirty years old.

I know someone through the extended family that has a lake house - supposedly something significant in size and value - which has not been used for YEARS now. Visited occasionally. Owner is elderly now and thus must hire out the chores and maintenance and has most of the past 20 years I'm aware of. I can't imagine flinging that kind of coin on such a thing.

Meanwhile DW and I look around our little family home and carefully plan maintenance and improvements to keep the costs manageable.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: former player on January 18, 2018, 10:40:26 AM
Also, am I insane or is it extraordinarily wasteful to buy a lake house that sits empty half the year and sits empty 5 out of 7 days the other half of the year... like, what the actual fuck?

I made a really nice pile of coin building vacation homes in a lake-mountain-ski region of the northeast. After a decade of that I learned:

#1. There is no way in hell I would ever own a second home
#2. The majority of the folks I did business with made some extraordinarily bad decisions when purchasing their second homes.  Things like blowing inheritances, emptying retirement accounts, or  going to extremes to get 100% financing on something that they clearly couldn't afford, and never should of been given a loan for.

As for your usage math, which is roughly 50 days a year, that's optimistic from what I have observed.  Most walk away from the settlement table with visions swirling in their heads about being there every weekend, and more. After the first few months of the stress of screwing up schedules at home, and spending Friday night and Sunday afternoon in a mad rush to get there and back, things start to taper off. By the end of the first year, it's more like the reserves, one weekend a month, and a week in the summer. The first year is typically the peak year for days of use, and it tapers down from there. In a solid economy, the place had a 50/50 shot of having a realtors sign in the yard by the fifth year. When I first started I heard this exact tale from one of the old heavy hitters in the real estate business. She then asked me if I knew a particular house in a nearby resort community? I said yes, and she told me that she had sold it, as the listing agent, FIVE TIMES since it was built. The place wasn't thirty years old.

I know someone through the extended family that has a lake house - supposedly something significant in size and value - which has not been used for YEARS now. Visited occasionally. Owner is elderly now and thus must hire out the chores and maintenance and has most of the past 20 years I'm aware of. I can't imagine flinging that kind of coin on such a thing.

Meanwhile DW and I look around our little family home and carefully plan maintenance and improvements to keep the costs manageable.
Someone near where I live bought a holiday home for £700k 5 years ago and hasn't even opened the door yet.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on January 18, 2018, 11:55:42 AM
I can't even invent some sort of bent logic for these kinds of situations. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Jouer on January 18, 2018, 04:54:00 PM
Do roommates count as neighbors? My peers and I are driving our first cars and my roommate is evidently thinking about buying his first, because he asked me:

"Hey, do you think it's a good idea to buy a car on a monthly repayment plan?"
Me: "NO, you'll just end up paying more for the car in the end! Since we have a successful carpool setup anyway I think it makes more sense to save up until you can buy something cheap in cash."

His response? "...but I'm lazy."

Eventually we remembered that our grad program offers small interest-free loans to students for such things so I advised him to go that route and get it taken straight out of his paycheck. Shouldn't have asked my opinion if you just wanted yours validated, my friend!

When did it become ok to admit to being lazy? This used to be one of the worst things you could be known as.

(also, get off my lawn)
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on January 18, 2018, 07:10:55 PM
Do roommates count as neighbors? My peers and I are driving our first cars and my roommate is evidently thinking about buying his first, because he asked me:

"Hey, do you think it's a good idea to buy a car on a monthly repayment plan?"
Me: "NO, you'll just end up paying more for the car in the end! Since we have a successful carpool setup anyway I think it makes more sense to save up until you can buy something cheap in cash."

His response? "...but I'm lazy."

Eventually we remembered that our grad program offers small interest-free loans to students for such things so I advised him to go that route and get it taken straight out of his paycheck. Shouldn't have asked my opinion if you just wanted yours validated, my friend!

When did it become ok to admit to being lazy? This used to be one of the worst things you could be known as.

(also, get off my lawn)

Around the time it became OK to quit work while still able-bodied
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Jouer on January 19, 2018, 06:57:51 AM
Do roommates count as neighbors? My peers and I are driving our first cars and my roommate is evidently thinking about buying his first, because he asked me:

"Hey, do you think it's a good idea to buy a car on a monthly repayment plan?"
Me: "NO, you'll just end up paying more for the car in the end! Since we have a successful carpool setup anyway I think it makes more sense to save up until you can buy something cheap in cash."

His response? "...but I'm lazy."

Eventually we remembered that our grad program offers small interest-free loans to students for such things so I advised him to go that route and get it taken straight out of his paycheck. Shouldn't have asked my opinion if you just wanted yours validated, my friend!

When did it become ok to admit to being lazy? This used to be one of the worst things you could be known as.

(also, get off my lawn)

Around the time it became OK to quit work while still able-bodied

I don't see early retirement as being lazy at all. In fact, quite the opposite.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mustachepungoeshere on January 23, 2018, 02:24:48 AM
We've had a couple of 38, 39 degree days lately.

I got home one day last week to find a neighbour and his toddler taking out the garbage. Both were wearing hoodies.

Me: Hey, aren't you guys a bit warm?
Neighbour: We have the air-con on inside.

How bloody cold do you have it that you need a hoodie?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: kayvent on January 23, 2018, 03:40:17 AM
We've had a couple of 38, 39 degree days lately.

I got home one day last week to find a neighbour and his toddler taking out the garbage. Both were wearing hoodies.

Me: Hey, aren't you guys a bit warm?
Neighbour: We have the air-con on inside.

How bloody cold do you have it that you need a hoodie?

Many years ago, in the city where I live, we had a year where more people died of hypothermia in summer than in winter and more died of heat exhaustion in winter than in summer.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: HappierAtHome on January 23, 2018, 04:59:18 AM
Neighbour told me about the great financing she got on her new solar panels :-/
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Sibley on January 23, 2018, 10:38:53 AM
We've had a couple of 38, 39 degree days lately.

I got home one day last week to find a neighbour and his toddler taking out the garbage. Both were wearing hoodies.

Me: Hey, aren't you guys a bit warm?
Neighbour: We have the air-con on inside.

How bloody cold do you have it that you need a hoodie?

I must say, that whole thing makes more sense when I realized you're in Australia. I'm very happy with 38/39 F right now - since I've had weeks -10C and below. (thank you google) Though I will pass on the 38/39 C.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: honeybbq on January 23, 2018, 12:03:09 PM
Neighbour told me about the great financing she got on her new solar panels :-/

Hmmm. This could actually be ok depending on what it is. We have a big roof and listened to the spiel about solar panels where you lease them back the electricity generated and it pays the fees (so financing, in a way, with no cost other than letting them use your roof). Then once the 'payment' was up then the solar power generated would be deducted/credited to your account. So more like indenture servitude....
 
Or you could buy them outright for 30k or so.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Jouer on January 23, 2018, 12:32:43 PM
We've had a couple of 38, 39 degree days lately.

I got home one day last week to find a neighbour and his toddler taking out the garbage. Both were wearing hoodies.

Me: Hey, aren't you guys a bit warm?
Neighbour: We have the air-con on inside.

How bloody cold do you have it that you need a hoodie?

I have friends who use their HVAC so much I have to wear a t-shirt when I visit in winter and a long-sleeve when I visit in summer. They complain about their electricity bill. Wife and I laugh.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: gooki on January 24, 2018, 01:14:19 PM
Neighbour told me about the great financing she got on her new solar panels :-/

There are some awesome financing deals out there for roof top solar. My deal is two years interest free, no repayments, $150 in fees. The free power generated during those two years combined with two years investment returns, equates to a 30% discount vs just 3% cash discount one could negotiate with the installer.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: marty998 on January 24, 2018, 01:21:13 PM
Neighbour told me about the great financing she got on her new solar panels :-/

There are some awesome financing deals out there for roof top solar. My deal is two years interest free, no repayments, $150 in fees. The free power generated during those two years combined with two years investment returns, equates to a 30% discount vs just 3% cash discount one could negotiate with the installer.

Yes but gooki... New Zealand is light years in front of the basket case that is the Australian energy market.

When our Federal Treasurer proclaims loud and clear that "COAL IS GOOD FOR HUMANITY" you can bet there isn't going to be any incentive given towards renewables.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Cookie78 on January 24, 2018, 06:43:44 PM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on January 24, 2018, 11:34:11 PM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Maybe someone will finally invent a sweater for your truck.  They already sell balls for your tuck
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: gooki on January 25, 2018, 02:44:19 AM
When our Federal Treasurer proclaims loud and clear that "COAL IS GOOD FOR HUMANITY" you can bet there isn't going to be any incentive given towards renewables.

Just to be clear there zero government incentive to go solar here in NZ. These interest free offers are purely market driven. The intent is to use the offer to encourage more debt and then catch buyers out after the interest free period and slap them with 25.99% interest.

It's my mustachian responsibility to ensure these lenders lose money when dealing with me.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Sibley on January 25, 2018, 01:20:28 PM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Cookie78 on January 25, 2018, 11:59:28 PM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Dicey on January 26, 2018, 12:10:18 AM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.
I'm ignoring the environmental effect for the moment to say I bow down to your badassity. I'm a Californian and I can't even imagine those temps, let alone recreating in the out of doors in those numbers. Crazy!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Cookie78 on January 26, 2018, 12:17:00 AM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.
I'm ignoring the environmental effect for the moment to say I bow down to your badassity. I'm a Californian and I can't even imagine those temps, let alone recreating in the out of doors in those numbers. Crazy!

I hadn't done it before and was a little nervous, but it was quite fun. He's insulated a 5th wheel utility trailer and put a wall across the middle to separate the snowmobiles and the 'living area'. It was tiny and heated up very fast with a propane heater. At night we slept 3 adults and 2 dogs on the top part of the trailer and we kept it warm all night just with body heat (after turning the heater on for a few min before bed). Except the first night when we forgot to close the roof vent and woke up with a layer of frost over everything and the coffee pot frozen.

As for the environmental cost idling the truck all night (and night that far north was 4:30pm to 9:30am, though to be fair the truck wasn't always idling until 8 or 9pm) was less than $10 worth of diesel (according to brother).
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: RWD on January 26, 2018, 08:02:54 AM
As for the environmental cost idling the truck all night (and night that far north was 4:30pm to 9:30am, though to be fair the truck wasn't always idling until 8 or 9pm) was less than $10 worth of diesel (according to brother).
You can drive 140 miles on $10 of gas in a modern Honda Fit... We averaged $10/week in gas last year and we drive a sports can that takes premium fuel.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Cookie78 on January 26, 2018, 10:46:16 AM
As for the environmental cost idling the truck all night (and night that far north was 4:30pm to 9:30am, though to be fair the truck wasn't always idling until 8 or 9pm) was less than $10 worth of diesel (according to brother).
You can drive 140 miles on $10 of gas in a modern Honda Fit... We averaged $10/week in gas last year and we drive a sports can that takes premium fuel.

Nice. But how much fuel does it cost to idle for 12 hours? :p jk

Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: RWD on January 26, 2018, 11:13:31 AM
As for the environmental cost idling the truck all night (and night that far north was 4:30pm to 9:30am, though to be fair the truck wasn't always idling until 8 or 9pm) was less than $10 worth of diesel (according to brother).

You can drive 140 miles on $10 of gas in a modern Honda Fit... We averaged $10/week in gas last year and we drive a sports can that takes premium fuel.

Nice. But how much fuel does it cost to idle for 12 hours? :p jk

Well now I'm curious... According to this (https://energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-861-february-23-2015-idle-fuel-consumption-selected-gasoline-and-diesel-vehicles) a 2L compact sedan uses 0.16 gallons/hour. At current average gas prices that works out to about $5 for 12 hours of idling. Unfortunately that resource doesn't have Class 1-3 diesel trucks listed.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Cookie78 on January 26, 2018, 11:47:42 AM
As for the environmental cost idling the truck all night (and night that far north was 4:30pm to 9:30am, though to be fair the truck wasn't always idling until 8 or 9pm) was less than $10 worth of diesel (according to brother).

You can drive 140 miles on $10 of gas in a modern Honda Fit... We averaged $10/week in gas last year and we drive a sports can that takes premium fuel.

Nice. But how much fuel does it cost to idle for 12 hours? :p jk

Well now I'm curious... According to this (https://energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-861-february-23-2015-idle-fuel-consumption-selected-gasoline-and-diesel-vehicles) a 2L compact sedan uses 0.16 gallons/hour. At current average gas prices that works out to about $5 for 12 hours of idling. Unfortunately that resource doesn't have Class 1-3 diesel trucks listed.

Now I'm curious too. He was paying $1.24CAD per litre for gas. What is that compared to the measurement you used? Presumably US$/gallon?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: RWD on January 26, 2018, 12:42:44 PM
As for the environmental cost idling the truck all night (and night that far north was 4:30pm to 9:30am, though to be fair the truck wasn't always idling until 8 or 9pm) was less than $10 worth of diesel (according to brother).

You can drive 140 miles on $10 of gas in a modern Honda Fit... We averaged $10/week in gas last year and we drive a sports can that takes premium fuel.

Nice. But how much fuel does it cost to idle for 12 hours? :p jk

Well now I'm curious... According to this (https://energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-861-february-23-2015-idle-fuel-consumption-selected-gasoline-and-diesel-vehicles) a 2L compact sedan uses 0.16 gallons/hour. At current average gas prices that works out to about $5 for 12 hours of idling. Unfortunately that resource doesn't have Class 1-3 diesel trucks listed.

Now I'm curious too. He was paying $1.24CAD per litre for gas. What is that compared to the measurement you used? Presumably US$/gallon?

I used the national averages from here:
http://gasprices.aaa.com/

$2.571USD/gal for regular. That works out to $0.84CAD/litre. According to the same site diesel is about 15% more expensive than regular in the US currently.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Prairie Stash on January 26, 2018, 03:43:45 PM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.
There's always been a fix, use a block heater. We used a propane block heater on the diesels growing up, no electricity required. If you park for 4 days, then want it to start, you can fire up the heater, wait a bit for everything to warm up and then start your machine. Essentially the same as what you did except you only need to start the night before you want to drive (and less fuel).

Unfortunately its not free, you have to balance how often you'll actually use it vs. the cost of installing it. Its a great deal though if you want the extra insurance that your vehicle will always start; even if the temperature drops. I think the coldest we hit was -40C (which is -40F), normally we tried to avoid working past that since fuel lines gel. The propane cuts down on run time so it extends motor life as well.

Nowadays you can just have diesel heaters as well. Sips from the fuel tank as needed but its independent of the motor so the worry about a non-start is gone.

MMM forum, where even the smallest expense can be minimized further.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: RidetheRain on January 26, 2018, 05:21:57 PM
My neighbor always has cold air blowing out of their door (70F outside temp) which is open at all times so their dog can wander in and out as it pleases.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Cookie78 on January 26, 2018, 07:58:40 PM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.
There's always been a fix, use a block heater. We used a propane block heater on the diesels growing up, no electricity required. If you park for 4 days, then want it to start, you can fire up the heater, wait a bit for everything to warm up and then start your machine. Essentially the same as what you did except you only need to start the night before you want to drive (and less fuel).

Unfortunately its not free, you have to balance how often you'll actually use it vs. the cost of installing it. Its a great deal though if you want the extra insurance that your vehicle will always start; even if the temperature drops. I think the coldest we hit was -40C (which is -40F), normally we tried to avoid working past that since fuel lines gel. The propane cuts down on run time so it extends motor life as well.

Nowadays you can just have diesel heaters as well. Sips from the fuel tank as needed but its independent of the motor so the worry about a non-start is gone.

MMM forum, where even the smallest expense can be minimized further.

Great ideas. :) We only were out 6 nights and it may not have been worth the purchase, but it's certainly interesting info. I didn't think of non-electric block heaters! We already had propane tanks too. We drove each day (hunting) so would have had to use it each morning.

Do you remember how long it took to warm up? A few days ago at home he forgot to plug the block heater in overnight and it took 4 hours to warm it up enough to start.


As for the environmental cost idling the truck all night (and night that far north was 4:30pm to 9:30am, though to be fair the truck wasn't always idling until 8 or 9pm) was less than $10 worth of diesel (according to brother).

You can drive 140 miles on $10 of gas in a modern Honda Fit... We averaged $10/week in gas last year and we drive a sports can that takes premium fuel.

Nice. But how much fuel does it cost to idle for 12 hours? :p jk

Well now I'm curious... According to this (https://energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-861-february-23-2015-idle-fuel-consumption-selected-gasoline-and-diesel-vehicles) a 2L compact sedan uses 0.16 gallons/hour. At current average gas prices that works out to about $5 for 12 hours of idling. Unfortunately that resource doesn't have Class 1-3 diesel trucks listed.

Now I'm curious too. He was paying $1.24CAD per litre for gas. What is that compared to the measurement you used? Presumably US$/gallon?

I used the national averages from here:
http://gasprices.aaa.com/

$2.571USD/gal for regular. That works out to $0.84CAD/litre. According to the same site diesel is about 15% more expensive than regular in the US currently.

Wow, dense moment of my part. I only looked at the gas prices ($1.24) when we filled up, not diesel. I don't actually know what the price of diesel was.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: RWD on January 26, 2018, 08:16:48 PM
Well now I'm curious... According to this (https://energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-861-february-23-2015-idle-fuel-consumption-selected-gasoline-and-diesel-vehicles) a 2L compact sedan uses 0.16 gallons/hour. At current average gas prices that works out to about $5 for 12 hours of idling. Unfortunately that resource doesn't have Class 1-3 diesel trucks listed.

Now I'm curious too. He was paying $1.24CAD per litre for gas. What is that compared to the measurement you used? Presumably US$/gallon?

I used the national averages from here:
http://gasprices.aaa.com/

$2.571USD/gal for regular. That works out to $0.84CAD/litre. According to the same site diesel is about 15% more expensive than regular in the US currently.

Wow, dense moment of my part. I only looked at the gas prices ($1.24) when we filled up, not diesel. I don't actually know what the price of diesel was.

Looks like $1.27CAD/litre (http://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Canada/diesel_prices/) for diesel and $1.37CAD/litre (http://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Canada/gasoline_prices/) for gasoline are the averages in Canada.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Cookie78 on January 26, 2018, 08:29:48 PM
Well now I'm curious... According to this (https://energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-861-february-23-2015-idle-fuel-consumption-selected-gasoline-and-diesel-vehicles) a 2L compact sedan uses 0.16 gallons/hour. At current average gas prices that works out to about $5 for 12 hours of idling. Unfortunately that resource doesn't have Class 1-3 diesel trucks listed.

Now I'm curious too. He was paying $1.24CAD per litre for gas. What is that compared to the measurement you used? Presumably US$/gallon?

I used the national averages from here:
http://gasprices.aaa.com/

$2.571USD/gal for regular. That works out to $0.84CAD/litre. According to the same site diesel is about 15% more expensive than regular in the US currently.

Wow, dense moment of my part. I only looked at the gas prices ($1.24) when we filled up, not diesel. I don't actually know what the price of diesel was.

Looks like $1.27CAD/litre (http://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Canada/diesel_prices/) for diesel and $1.37CAD/litre (http://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Canada/gasoline_prices/) for gasoline are the averages in Canada.

I just asked my brother, he said $1.43/L
Everything is more expensive in the north.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on January 27, 2018, 09:30:13 PM
Well now I'm curious... According to this (https://energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-861-february-23-2015-idle-fuel-consumption-selected-gasoline-and-diesel-vehicles) a 2L compact sedan uses 0.16 gallons/hour. At current average gas prices that works out to about $5 for 12 hours of idling. Unfortunately that resource doesn't have Class 1-3 diesel trucks listed.

Now I'm curious too. He was paying $1.24CAD per litre for gas. What is that compared to the measurement you used? Presumably US$/gallon?

I used the national averages from here:
http://gasprices.aaa.com/

$2.571USD/gal for regular. That works out to $0.84CAD/litre. According to the same site diesel is about 15% more expensive than regular in the US currently.

Wow, dense moment of my part. I only looked at the gas prices ($1.24) when we filled up, not diesel. I don't actually know what the price of diesel was.

Looks like $1.27CAD/litre (http://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Canada/diesel_prices/) for diesel and $1.37CAD/litre (http://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Canada/gasoline_prices/) for gasoline are the averages in Canada.

I just asked my brother, he said $1.43/L
Everything is more expensive in the north.

Just in case you're interested, $2.12/L in NZ. In NZ $.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on January 28, 2018, 12:12:26 PM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.
There's always been a fix, use a block heater. We used a propane block heater on the diesels growing up, no electricity required. If you park for 4 days, then want it to start, you can fire up the heater, wait a bit for everything to warm up and then start your machine. Essentially the same as what you did except you only need to start the night before you want to drive (and less fuel).

Unfortunately its not free, you have to balance how often you'll actually use it vs. the cost of installing it. Its a great deal though if you want the extra insurance that your vehicle will always start; even if the temperature drops. I think the coldest we hit was -40C (which is -40F), normally we tried to avoid working past that since fuel lines gel. The propane cuts down on run time so it extends motor life as well.

Nowadays you can just have diesel heaters as well. Sips from the fuel tank as needed but its independent of the motor so the worry about a non-start is gone.

MMM forum, where even the smallest expense can be minimized further.

My grandfather told me that way back when folks up north would build a small wood/coal fire under their Model T to warm the engine and make it easier to start.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on January 28, 2018, 07:23:07 PM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.
There's always been a fix, use a block heater. We used a propane block heater on the diesels growing up, no electricity required. If you park for 4 days, then want it to start, you can fire up the heater, wait a bit for everything to warm up and then start your machine. Essentially the same as what you did except you only need to start the night before you want to drive (and less fuel).

Unfortunately its not free, you have to balance how often you'll actually use it vs. the cost of installing it. Its a great deal though if you want the extra insurance that your vehicle will always start; even if the temperature drops. I think the coldest we hit was -40C (which is -40F), normally we tried to avoid working past that since fuel lines gel. The propane cuts down on run time so it extends motor life as well.

Nowadays you can just have diesel heaters as well. Sips from the fuel tank as needed but its independent of the motor so the worry about a non-start is gone.

MMM forum, where even the smallest expense can be minimized further.

My grandfather told me that way back when folks up north would build a small wood/coal fire under their Model T to warm the engine and make it easier to start.

I did this with my Model S once, do not reccomend
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Prairie Stash on January 29, 2018, 09:00:03 AM
Great ideas. :) We only were out 6 nights and it may not have been worth the purchase, but it's certainly interesting info. I didn't think of non-electric block heaters! We already had propane tanks too. We drove each day (hunting) so would have had to use it each morning.
Propane block heaters (or diesel heaters) work similar to electric. You can get them oversize to heat faster, but it still takes time to transfer the heat to the large cold block of metal. Follow the same steps as an electric heater that you're use to. Propane is cheaper to heat with than diesel, but then you need to attach propane (don't forget to fill the tanks).

Its more of an insurance/safety feature. If its too cold to start the motor you can turn on the block heater, wait, then you're fine.

We tried open wood fire before, its hard (doing repair work out in the forest). You need to keep the flame small so it doesn't burn anything important, but keep the fire hot enough to do something useful. I don't recommend trying it until all other options are exhausted. The people who do it regularly probably kept it in stoves, to keep the flames contained. Pretty much just switching from propane to wood heaters, same idea, different fuel source.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: formerlydivorcedmom on January 30, 2018, 12:12:38 PM
Back on topic....

One of my neighbors always goes overboard on decorating his yard for Christmas.  This year, there was a contest between him and two other families to see who could have the "best" yard, where "best" appeared to have been defined as "visible from space".

I found out last night that the "winner" spent $5,000 buying his outside Christmas decorations this year.  I love decorating for Christmas and have been collecting things for 30-odd years...and I don't think that, combined, I've spent $5k on it all.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: FireHiker on January 31, 2018, 10:37:44 AM
Back on topic....

One of my neighbors always goes overboard on decorating his yard for Christmas.  This year, there was a contest between him and two other families to see who could have the "best" yard, where "best" appeared to have been defined as "visible from space".

I found out last night that the "winner" spent $5,000 buying his outside Christmas decorations this year.  I love decorating for Christmas and have been collecting things for 30-odd years...and I don't think that, combined, I've spent $5k on it all.

OMG, that's nuts. We "won" our community light contest this year. We add a couple new decorations each year, nothing major. We splurged on the wire unicorn from Target, yes I am hanging my head in shame...but my teenager surprised my daughter (5) with it after clearing the purchase with me first and she was over the moon. Anyway, the thing that pushed us over the edge was 19 strings of LED lights my boss gave me because they decided not to decorate anymore. Our "theme" (ha) was definitely less cohesive than the neighbors across the street who went all out with inflatables tying into a santa's workshop/north pole theme, but ours was a TON cheaper. Driving through our neighborhood at Christmas is interesting; the easy but expensive inflatables are everywhere.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: ketchup on January 31, 2018, 10:49:59 AM
Oh man, Christmas decorating nonsense.  My neighbors were pretty bad about that this year.

My favorite/least favorite was one that had an odd mix of inflatable nonsense and lit up nonsense simultaneously declaring "JESUS IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON" and having Santa, reindeer, and snowmen bullshit.  Pick a side, sheesh.

One of my dogs started barking like crazy at an inflatable Santa the first time she saw it.  Good dog.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Kashmani on January 31, 2018, 11:02:17 AM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

As a Canadian prairie dweller, I have to take issue with someone describing -20F as "REALLY cold". We call this a pleasant winter day. My kids' elementary school has a rule that when the temperature drops to less than -30C (-22F), recess is indoors instead of outdoors.

OK, we just to like to brag how tough we are. I actually hate winter...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: JAYSLOL on January 31, 2018, 11:38:51 AM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.
There's always been a fix, use a block heater. We used a propane block heater on the diesels growing up, no electricity required. If you park for 4 days, then want it to start, you can fire up the heater, wait a bit for everything to warm up and then start your machine. Essentially the same as what you did except you only need to start the night before you want to drive (and less fuel).

Unfortunately its not free, you have to balance how often you'll actually use it vs. the cost of installing it. Its a great deal though if you want the extra insurance that your vehicle will always start; even if the temperature drops. I think the coldest we hit was -40C (which is -40F), normally we tried to avoid working past that since fuel lines gel. The propane cuts down on run time so it extends motor life as well.

Nowadays you can just have diesel heaters as well. Sips from the fuel tank as needed but its independent of the motor so the worry about a non-start is gone.

MMM forum, where even the smallest expense can be minimized further.

My grandfather told me that way back when folks up north would build a small wood/coal fire under their Model T to warm the engine and make it easier to start.

I met a guy who used to fly a small plane very far north and in the winter said after he would land it and shut down the engine, he had to drain all the oil from the engine while it was still warm so it didn't freeze.  They would then put the pot of oil on a fire for the night and pour it back in the plane in the morning while very hot, then they had a couple min to get the plane started again or drain the oil and get it hot again and start over.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: gaja on January 31, 2018, 11:49:07 AM
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

As a Canadian prairie dweller, I have to take issue with someone describing -20F as "REALLY cold". We call this a pleasant winter day. My kids' elementary school has a rule that when the temperature drops to less than -30C (-22F), recess is indoors instead of outdoors.

OK, we just to like to brag how tough we are. I actually hate winter...

In Northern Norway, the kids can decide to stay at home if the temperature gets below -38, because that is too cold for the school bus. But those who live within reasonable distances, are expected to walk to school instead.

Idling cars is illegal on our side of the pond. You either use block heaters, or get an EV.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: HappierAtHome on February 01, 2018, 10:27:19 PM
Neighbour told me I should buy a 4WD because then if I'm out and about and need to change my baby's nappy, I can do it in the boot. I have no words for this madness.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Fresh Bread on February 01, 2018, 11:47:56 PM
Neighbour told me I should buy a 4WD because then if I'm out and about and need to change my baby's nappy, I can do it in the boot. I have no words for this madness.

Ha ha, surely a hatchback is safer because baby can't roll/ crawl out of the boot!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on February 02, 2018, 12:39:42 PM
Neighbour told me I should buy a 4WD because then if I'm out and about and need to change my baby's nappy, I can do it in the boot. I have no words for this madness.

I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Uturn on February 02, 2018, 01:25:39 PM
I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

Hmmm, getting smacked might not be seen as a deterrent. 
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on February 02, 2018, 01:56:20 PM
I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

Hmmm, getting smacked might not be seen as a deterrent.

Culture clash? By "smack", I mean "in the face and I hope I break their nose". Not a cutesy little spank.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: zolotiyeruki on February 02, 2018, 09:41:09 PM
I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

Hmmm, getting smacked might not be seen as a deterrent.

Culture clash? By "smack", I mean "in the face and I hope I break their nose". Not a cutesy little spank.
"Smack" can also mean "kiss" in the US, although it's not super common.  If you kiss someone in the face and break their nose in the process, you're probably doing it wrong :P
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: HappierAtHome on February 02, 2018, 10:28:27 PM
Neighbour told me I should buy a 4WD because then if I'm out and about and need to change my baby's nappy, I can do it in the boot. I have no words for this madness.

I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

We were constantly told we needed a bigger car. It annoyed me. Then we tried to fit a carseat in our tiny car and... Yup. We had to buy a bigger car. SO UNIMPRESSED. At least nobody was silly enough to say "I told you so" to me.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: bluebelle on February 02, 2018, 10:55:19 PM
I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

Hmmm, getting smacked might not be seen as a deterrent.

Culture clash? By "smack", I mean "in the face and I hope I break their nose". Not a cutesy little spank.
"Smack" can also mean "kiss" in the US, although it's not super common.  If you kiss someone in the face and break their nose in the process, you're probably doing it wrong :P
huh?  I know Canada speaks a different english than the US, but I've never heard "smack" mean kiss..."smooch" yes, "smack", never.  The closest is the expression of 'smacking your lips' within the context of eating or tasting.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Dicey on February 02, 2018, 11:09:46 PM
I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

Hmmm, getting smacked might not be seen as a deterrent.

Culture clash? By "smack", I mean "in the face and I hope I break their nose". Not a cutesy little spank.
"Smack" can also mean "kiss" in the US, although it's not super common.  If you kiss someone in the face and break their nose in the process, you're probably doing it wrong :P
huh?  I know Canada speaks a different english than the US, but I've never heard "smack" mean kiss..."smooch" yes, "smack", never.  The closest is the expression of 'smacking your lips' within the context of eating or tasting.
A smack on the lips means a kiss. Just because you haven't heard it doesn't make it any less real. Isn't English a fascinating language?
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Sibley on February 03, 2018, 08:21:50 AM
I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

Hmmm, getting smacked might not be seen as a deterrent.

Culture clash? By "smack", I mean "in the face and I hope I break their nose". Not a cutesy little spank.
"Smack" can also mean "kiss" in the US, although it's not super common.  If you kiss someone in the face and break their nose in the process, you're probably doing it wrong :P
huh?  I know Canada speaks a different english than the US, but I've never heard "smack" mean kiss..."smooch" yes, "smack", never.  The closest is the expression of 'smacking your lips' within the context of eating or tasting.
A smack on the lips means a kiss. Just because you haven't heard it doesn't make it any less real. Isn't English a fascinating language?

Confirmed. I've heard "smack" used to reference a kiss.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on February 03, 2018, 05:02:42 PM
Neighbour told me I should buy a 4WD because then if I'm out and about and need to change my baby's nappy, I can do it in the boot. I have no words for this madness.

I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

You really shouldn't be smacking anyone in your condition
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: BTDretire on February 04, 2018, 10:20:56 AM
Oh man, Christmas decorating nonsense.  My neighbors were pretty bad about that this year.

My favorite/least favorite was one that had an odd mix of inflatable nonsense and lit up nonsense simultaneously declaring "JESUS IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON" and having Santa, reindeer, and snowmen bullshit.  Pick a side, sheesh.

One of my dogs started barking like crazy at an inflatable Santa the first time she saw it.  Good dog.

   Every Christmas I have a fantasy idea to get several 2nd place awards printed for our subdivisions Christmas decorations committee. (there is no such thing)
 Then secretly give the awards to everyone with decorations. I'm sure this will spur a few to up their game next year.
The next year I'll add a note with the 2nd place award, The (subdivsion) Decorations Committe really had a tough time this year, picking from all the great decorations, if you didn't win, maybe next year is your year! Congatulations on your 2nd place award.
 But I haven't done it, yet!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: mustachepungoeshere on February 04, 2018, 01:14:38 PM
Oh man, Christmas decorating nonsense.  My neighbors were pretty bad about that this year.

My favorite/least favorite was one that had an odd mix of inflatable nonsense and lit up nonsense simultaneously declaring "JESUS IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON" and having Santa, reindeer, and snowmen bullshit.  Pick a side, sheesh.

One of my dogs started barking like crazy at an inflatable Santa the first time she saw it.  Good dog.

   Every Christmas I have a fantasy idea to get several 2nd place awards printed for our subdivisions Christmas decorations committee. (there is no such thing)
 Then secretly give the awards to everyone with decorations. I'm sure this will spur a few to up their game next year.
The next year I'll add a note with the 2nd place award, The (subdivsion) Decorations Committe really had a tough time this year, picking from all the great decorations, if you didn't win, maybe next year is your year! Congatulations on your 2nd place award.
 But I haven't done it, yet!

Please, please do this and report back!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Khaetra on February 05, 2018, 09:57:13 AM
Had a chat with my neighbor who lives across from me this weekend.  We (when I was married) used to hang out with them on weekends, but soon discovered they are both alcoholics who fight like crazy and have opinions which differ from mine greatly, so we quit that.  She works in a grocer, he stays home and drinks.  He came over complaining about his giant tree and how expensive it is to have trimmed and how he needs to have the roof replaced but that costs too much too (never mind the fact that his tree put a hole in his roof from rubbing during Irma) so it'll have to wait.  But, did I know Elton John is coming to Orlando and they got front-row seats for the concert and a hotel room for the night?  And that there's a couple other concerts they'll be going to as well?  But never mind that the tree in question has some heavy branches dangling and that a good gust could send them sailing, possibly in my direction.  I did offer to hire someone to take care of those on my dime, to save my own home from damage, but the offer was refused.  But as long as they have booze and concerts to go to, I guess that's what's really important.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Dragonswan on February 05, 2018, 10:43:11 AM
Had a chat with my neighbor who lives across from me this weekend.  We (when I was married) used to hang out with them on weekends, but soon discovered they are both alcoholics who fight like crazy and have opinions which differ from mine greatly, so we quit that.  She works in a grocer, he stays home and drinks.  He came over complaining about his giant tree and how expensive it is to have trimmed and how he needs to have the roof replaced but that costs too much too (never mind the fact that his tree put a hole in his roof from rubbing during Irma) so it'll have to wait.  But, did I know Elton John is coming to Orlando and they got front-row seats for the concert and a hotel room for the night?  And that there's a couple other concerts they'll be going to as well?  But never mind that the tree in question has some heavy branches dangling and that a good gust could send them sailing, possibly in my direction.  I did offer to hire someone to take care of those on my dime, to save my own home from damage, but the offer was refused.  But as long as they have booze and concerts to go to, I guess that's what's really important.
On YOUR dime and they REFUSED?  I'm speechless.  Please come be my neighbor.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Khaetra on February 05, 2018, 11:37:22 AM
Had a chat with my neighbor who lives across from me this weekend.  We (when I was married) used to hang out with them on weekends, but soon discovered they are both alcoholics who fight like crazy and have opinions which differ from mine greatly, so we quit that.  She works in a grocer, he stays home and drinks.  He came over complaining about his giant tree and how expensive it is to have trimmed and how he needs to have the roof replaced but that costs too much too (never mind the fact that his tree put a hole in his roof from rubbing during Irma) so it'll have to wait.  But, did I know Elton John is coming to Orlando and they got front-row seats for the concert and a hotel room for the night?  And that there's a couple other concerts they'll be going to as well?  But never mind that the tree in question has some heavy branches dangling and that a good gust could send them sailing, possibly in my direction.  I did offer to hire someone to take care of those on my dime, to save my own home from damage, but the offer was refused.  But as long as they have booze and concerts to go to, I guess that's what's really important.
On YOUR dime and they REFUSED?  I'm speechless.  Please come be my neighbor.

Insane, right?  With most of my neighbors, we're a help each other group but a few of them just don't give a crap about their homes and these folks are a good example of that.  I offered to pay, because I know that if we get a tropical storm or hurricane those limbs are going to go flying, either into my home/car or a neighbors home/car and I don't want to deal with that if they decide to fly my way.  I get stressed about storms enough without having to worry about something else that could easily be taken care of.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on February 05, 2018, 11:47:59 PM
Sitting in the antenatal waiting room at the hospital, I overhear two men chatting about their very pregnant wives:
Man 1: Looks like she's due any day, huh?
Man 2: Yeah, due next week. Hoping it doesn't come early cause they won't let you home without a car seat and I don't get paid til Friday, so if she's in this week she'll be waiting here til the weekend to come home!
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Linea_Norway on February 06, 2018, 12:14:01 AM
Sitting in the antenatal waiting room at the hospital, I overhear two men chatting about their very pregnant wives:
Man 1: Looks like she's due any day, huh?
Man 2: Yeah, due next week. Hoping it doesn't come early cause they won't let you home without a car seat and I don't get paid til Friday, so if she's in this week she'll be waiting here til the weekend to come home!

Right.. they had almost 9 months to prepare for the baby to come and they haven't bought or second-hand received a baby car seat.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: Just Joe on February 06, 2018, 08:16:21 AM
Sitting in the antenatal waiting room at the hospital, I overhear two men chatting about their very pregnant wives:
Man 1: Looks like she's due any day, huh?
Man 2: Yeah, due next week. Hoping it doesn't come early cause they won't let you home without a car seat and I don't get paid til Friday, so if she's in this week she'll be waiting here til the weekend to come home!

And I hope the baby only poops every other day 'cause we can't afford to buy too many diapers...
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on February 06, 2018, 01:25:53 PM
Sitting in the antenatal waiting room at the hospital, I overhear two men chatting about their very pregnant wives:
Man 1: Looks like she's due any day, huh?
Man 2: Yeah, due next week. Hoping it doesn't come early cause they won't let you home without a car seat and I don't get paid til Friday, so if she's in this week she'll be waiting here til the weekend to come home!

Right.. they had almost 9 months to prepare for the baby to come and they haven't bought or second-hand received a baby car seat.

I hear they sometimes ask for a little thing called money before you go home as well
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on February 06, 2018, 02:26:16 PM
Sitting in the antenatal waiting room at the hospital, I overhear two men chatting about their very pregnant wives:
Man 1: Looks like she's due any day, huh?
Man 2: Yeah, due next week. Hoping it doesn't come early cause they won't let you home without a car seat and I don't get paid til Friday, so if she's in this week she'll be waiting here til the weekend to come home!

Right.. they had almost 9 months to prepare for the baby to come and they haven't bought or second-hand received a baby car seat.

I hear they sometimes ask for a little thing called money before you go home as well

Not in England, though your president seems to regard this as a bug rather than a feature.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on February 06, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
Sitting in the antenatal waiting room at the hospital, I overhear two men chatting about their very pregnant wives:
Man 1: Looks like she's due any day, huh?
Man 2: Yeah, due next week. Hoping it doesn't come early cause they won't let you home without a car seat and I don't get paid til Friday, so if she's in this week she'll be waiting here til the weekend to come home!

Right.. they had almost 9 months to prepare for the baby to come and they haven't bought or second-hand received a baby car seat.

I hear they sometimes ask for a little thing called money before you go home as well

Not in England, though your president seems to regard this as a bug rather than a feature.

Doh, missed the location.  But this makes me wonder why, if car seats are such an important aspect of public health, they do not provide “free”options upon discharge.  Kinda like the Obamacare breast pumps, but for car seats
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: shelivesthedream on February 07, 2018, 01:05:18 AM
Sitting in the antenatal waiting room at the hospital, I overhear two men chatting about their very pregnant wives:
Man 1: Looks like she's due any day, huh?
Man 2: Yeah, due next week. Hoping it doesn't come early cause they won't let you home without a car seat and I don't get paid til Friday, so if she's in this week she'll be waiting here til the weekend to come home!

Right.. they had almost 9 months to prepare for the baby to come and they haven't bought or second-hand received a baby car seat.

I hear they sometimes ask for a little thing called money before you go home as well

Not in England, though your president seems to regard this as a bug rather than a feature.

Doh, missed the location.  But this makes me wonder why, if car seats are such an important aspect of public health, they do not provide “free”options upon discharge.  Kinda like the Obamacare breast pumps, but for car seats

Because the NHS gets to do cost-benefit analysis and say no. I imagine 99% of people would reject the standard hospital car seat in favour of something cuter or with more features, so it's jut not worth them getting into it. Plus srsly, people have nine months to prepare for their baby. It is not supposed to be a massive surprise! But I found out a little while ago that my local council gives vouchers towards the cost of cloth nappies, so clearly there is some interesting cost-benefit analysis there.
Title: Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
Post by: dragoncar on February 07, 2018, 01:20:04 AM
Sitting in the antenatal waiting room at the hospital, I overhear two men chatting about their very pregnant wives:
Man 1: Looks like she's due any day, huh?
Man 2: Yeah, due next week. Hoping it doesn't come early cause they won't let you home without a car seat and I don't get paid