Overheard on Facebook

[Zikoris]

I think the best way to avoid self-control fatigue is probably to automate as much as possible and make the correct option the easiest one. Like, finances can be close to 100% automated and require zero effort. You can even set up things like an automated weekly grocery delivery these days (I used to do it when I was single). Weekend meal prep ensures you have zero-thought, zero-effort meals all week. People have long found that not keeping junk food at home usually almost entirely eliminates consuming it, because they eat what they do have instead rather than going to the effort of going and buying potato chips. Being very minimalist and living in a small space greatly reduces daily housework. Not having a car at all means you don't need to have an internal struggle between biking or driving somewhere. And so on.

Many years ago I decided I wanted the vast majority of my non-working time and mental energy to go towards fun things instead of boring shit, so I implemented all of those things, and it really does work.

[Sugaree]

I just got an email from my credit union.  The subject is "Looking for a new vehicle? Check out our inventory of repossessions!"  A couple of things come to mind here.  The first is that it's likely that this was sent to their entire email list and it's equally likely that the people who have had their cars repo'd probably got the same email.  Talk about throwing salt on the wound. 

I decided to poke around to see what they've got.  I like how they have an asking price now.  The process for buying a repo used to be submit a bid and wait a week to see if the bid was accepted.  I see now why none of the bids I submitted in the past were accepted.  They have a 2016 F-350 with 130k miles and are asking $44k for it.  I actually think that's pretty close to blue book on it.  So much for finding a good deal buying repos...

[Travis]

I just got an email from my credit union.  The subject is "Looking for a new vehicle? Check out our inventory of repossessions!"  A couple of things come to mind here.  The first is that it's likely that this was sent to their entire email list and it's equally likely that the people who have had their cars repo'd probably got the same email.  Talk about throwing salt on the wound. 

I decided to poke around to see what they've got.  I like how they have an asking price now.  The process for buying a repo used to be submit a bid and wait a week to see if the bid was accepted.  I see now why none of the bids I submitted in the past were accepted.  They have a 2016 F-350 with 130k miles and are asking $44k for it.  I actually think that's pretty close to blue book on it.  So much for finding a good deal buying repos...

1. That's hilarious that you might get a spam email from your bank trying to resell your car.
2. I imagine the bank is paying a storage fee somewhere for their fleet. I wonder how long before they'd start lowering the price to offload it?
3. Holy shit, that had to be an $80k truck brand new...

[Sugaree]

I just got an email from my credit union.  The subject is "Looking for a new vehicle? Check out our inventory of repossessions!"  A couple of things come to mind here.  The first is that it's likely that this was sent to their entire email list and it's equally likely that the people who have had their cars repo'd probably got the same email.  Talk about throwing salt on the wound. 

I decided to poke around to see what they've got.  I like how they have an asking price now.  The process for buying a repo used to be submit a bid and wait a week to see if the bid was accepted.  I see now why none of the bids I submitted in the past were accepted.  They have a 2016 F-350 with 130k miles and are asking $44k for it.  I actually think that's pretty close to blue book on it.  So much for finding a good deal buying repos...

1. That's hilarious that you might get a spam email from your bank trying to resell your car.
2. I imagine the bank is paying a storage fee somewhere for their fleet. I wonder how long before they'd start lowering the price to offload it?
3. Holy shit, that had to be an $80k truck brand new...

So, it's a credit union who's original target member were people who work at the same place I do.  A fair amount of repos are held in a parking lot right outside the gate, which again sucks if you have to see your car for sale every day coming and going to work.  When I first started working here, a lot of people were working a lot of mandatory OT and had been doing so for years.  Like 66 hour weeks every week for 10 years.  People started forgetting what they really made and started using the OT paystubs to buy toys.  In 2008, the OT tap was cut off nearly overnight.  The amount of available trucks, RVs, and boats sitting in that lot doubled a couple of months later.  It was really sad. 

My brother works there and he says that they try to get blue book and/or what the borrower owes on it.  If it doesn't sell then it goes to auction.  If I'm a borrower, I'm hoping that they are going to sell it to a private party because there's a better chance of covering what I owe on it and not sticking me with a large deficiency.

[Fomerly known as something]

In the FatFire facebook page aka, at times the rich people are slumming here page:

"I am currently on vacation in Miami Beach for 5 days. This vacay is also costing 25k. Due to the high demand in the post holiday season both hotels and flights were 2-3 times what they cost other times. So I am getting a decidedly 4 star experience for 5 star prices (mediocre room at blah hotel for 1k a night per room).... I feel resentful and stupid that I planned this vacay for this high price time....Can anyone make me feel better?"

[GreenToTheCore]

I feel like this is a great illustration of the difference in viewpoints:


FI Re-write:
Retirement age is 67.
Life expectancy is 78.
Work for 50 years to maybe enjoy 11?
Start saving more and spending less.
Then retirement will come sooner.



What would be your re-write?

[GreenToTheCore]

In the FatFire facebook page aka, at times the rich people are slumming here page:

"I am currently on vacation in Miami Beach for 5 days. This vacay is also costing 25k. Due to the high demand in the post holiday season both hotels and flights were 2-3 times what they cost other times. So I am getting a decidedly 4 star experience for 5 star prices (mediocre room at blah hotel for 1k a night per room).... I feel resentful and stupid that I planned this vacay for this high price time....Can anyone make me feel better?"

Goodness, did they not look at the cost when they booked those services? Not like they just surprise you with a bill after you fly/check-in.
What were the responses?

[jinga nation]

In the FatFire facebook page aka, at times the rich people are slumming here page:

"I am currently on vacation in Miami Beach for 5 days. This vacay is also costing 25k. Due to the high demand in the post holiday season both hotels and flights were 2-3 times what they cost other times. So I am getting a decidedly 4 star experience for 5 star prices (mediocre room at blah hotel for 1k a night per room).... I feel resentful and stupid that I planned this vacay for this high price time....Can anyone make me feel better?"

Goodness, did they not look at the cost when they booked those services? Not like they just surprise you with a bill after you fly/check-in.
What were the responses?

Not familiar with the FatFire page on FB (because I don't use social media), but "travel planning is hard", especially if the kid-adults were raised where everything was done for them, or if they gained that big inheritance but ain't worked a real job.

[bluebelle]

In the FatFire facebook page aka, at times the rich people are slumming here page:

"I am currently on vacation in Miami Beach for 5 days. This vacay is also costing 25k. Due to the high demand in the post holiday season both hotels and flights were 2-3 times what they cost other times. So I am getting a decidedly 4 star experience for 5 star prices (mediocre room at blah hotel for 1k a night per room).... I feel resentful and stupid that I planned this vacay for this high price time....Can anyone make me feel better?"

I just requested to join that facebook page, if this is the type of thing posted..... I want to watch (off to make popcorn to enjoy the show).

sounds like they booked last minute....I just popped on to the marriott website, and hotels are stupid expensive $200-300 a night, but not seeing $1,000 per night.....where the fuck are they staying?, since they're calling it 4 star.....and they certainly didn't "plan" anything if they're paying $25K.

[Imma]

I don't know what their idea of 'mediocre' is but I can't imagine a $1000 room that's 'mediocre'. Last time I stayed in a mediocre room it cost €25...

[Not There Yet]

Sounds like humble bragging to me, especially since he uses that ridiculous baby-talk "vacay".

[SwordGuy]

This is the response I wrote and didn't press "Post" for:

"Can anyone help me feel better?"

Not if I give my truthful opinion.

You're spending nearly one half what the median family gross income is for an entire year and you've done it before, too.

And it's not perfectly to your liking?  #QueueTheTinyViolins

Plan better next time.   

And nobody likes a whiner.

[Maenad]

In the FatFire facebook page aka, at times the rich people are slumming here page:

"I am currently on vacation in Miami Beach for 5 days. This vacay is also costing 25k. Due to the high demand in the post holiday season both hotels and flights were 2-3 times what they cost other times. So I am getting a decidedly 4 star experience for 5 star prices (mediocre room at blah hotel for 1k a night per room).... I feel resentful and stupid that I planned this vacay for this high price time....Can anyone make me feel better?"

I just requested to join that facebook page, if this is the type of thing posted..... I want to watch (off to make popcorn to enjoy the show).

sounds like they booked last minute....I just popped on to the marriott website, and hotels are stupid expensive $200-300 a night, but not seeing $1,000 per night.....where the fuck are they staying?, since they're calling it 4 star.....and they certainly didn't "plan" anything if they're paying $25K.

Yeah, that's... exorbitant. DH and I stayed at Little Palm Island in the Florida Keys for 5 nights the week of Valentines Day and it was $10K for everything, and that resort is NICE. (Belated honeymoon, not an every-year occurrence!)

[Fomerly known as something]

In the FatFire facebook page aka, at times the rich people are slumming here page:

"I am currently on vacation in Miami Beach for 5 days. This vacay is also costing 25k. Due to the high demand in the post holiday season both hotels and flights were 2-3 times what they cost other times. So I am getting a decidedly 4 star experience for 5 star prices (mediocre room at blah hotel for 1k a night per room).... I feel resentful and stupid that I planned this vacay for this high price time....Can anyone make me feel better?"

I just requested to join that facebook page, if this is the type of thing posted..... I want to watch (off to make popcorn to enjoy the show).

sounds like they booked last minute....I just popped on to the marriott website, and hotels are stupid expensive $200-300 a night, but not seeing $1,000 per night.....where the fuck are they staying?, since they're calling it 4 star.....and they certainly didn't "plan" anything if they're paying $25K.

Yeah, that's... exorbitant. DH and I stayed at Little Palm Island in the Florida Keys for 5 nights the week of Valentines Day and it was $10K for everything, and that resort is NICE. (Belated honeymoon, not an every-year occurrence!)

I swear that group is the only group that can make me think that I am working toward LeanFIRE vs. a huge abundance.

[TheGrimSqueaker]

Sounds like humble bragging to me, especially since he uses that ridiculous baby-talk "vacay".

Did he have brekkie with all his fave celebs?

/sarcasm. Because, seriously, the baby talk makes me want to puke.

[Travis]

Sounds like humble bragging to me, especially since he uses that ridiculous baby-talk "vacay".

Definitely some bragging in there. "This vacay" as in "I've taken others and plan to do it again."  They're either advertising that they're incredibly stupid at planning and not reading price tags, or bragging that they can afford to blow that much money.  The last time I had a $1000 hotel bill I was staying somewhere for two weeks.

[dragoncar]

Sounds like humble bragging to me, especially since he uses that ridiculous baby-talk "vacay".

Definitely some bragging in there. "This vacay" as in "I've taken others and plan to do it again."  They're either advertising that they're incredibly stupid at planning and not reading price tags, or bragging that they can afford to blow that much money.  The last time I had a $1000 hotel bill I was staying somewhere for two weeks.

I can’t even with the fat fire community

[SugarMountain]

I joined fatFIRE a few months ago and I would definitely say it's a mixed bag. Some is interesting, some is ridiculous. $25k for a week in Miami seems nuts, though. What do I know, though, we just dropped $76 at La Quinta Inn last week while driving to my parents (#humblebrag).

[SwordGuy]

Given the discussion about the uber-wealthy fatFIRE group, it's important to get a balanced perspective, so I offer up for your perusal the:

Socially Conscious Mustachians

https://www.facebook.com/groups/503774263339844/

[Wrenchturner]

Sounds like humble bragging to me, especially since he uses that ridiculous baby-talk "vacay".

Definitely some bragging in there. "This vacay" as in "I've taken others and plan to do it again."  They're either advertising that they're incredibly stupid at planning and not reading price tags, or bragging that they can afford to blow that much money.  The last time I had a $1000 hotel bill I was staying somewhere for two weeks.

I can’t even with the fat fire community

7.9/10 troll.  I can't give it an 8 cause it's a bit too obvious.

[Kitsune]

Seen this morning:
Person 1: "your car costs more to run than mine."
Person 2: "yeah? Filling my tank costs me 40$"
Person 1: "oh, filling my tank costs me 80."

... congrats. One tank is bigger than the other. This... has nothing to do with how much the car costs to run? How far do you go on it? What are the maintenance costs? How often do you drive? Come on, make an effort...

Honestly, that profound lack of understanding explains a LOT about both their lives.

[Taran Wanderer]

Funny troll, though.

[Bloop Bloop]

Yeah the idea of "work hard, play hard" is almost always a recipe for disaster because no one stops spending if for some reason they don't have the same money coming in. Bad year and no bonus? You still have to pay your outrageous mortgage and car lease.

I have a lot of sympathy for these people though. It seem so easy to stop spending for the naturally frugal but for many people it means unlearning year of bad money habits and building an entirely new relationship with money. Its huge transformation if you have't ever gone through it. For me I was like "Shit all these things I thought were necessities are actually luxuries?!" I had to completely restructure my life and was lucky enough to have a partner who was on board but I did lose almost all of my "friends" in the process. I can't imagine how hard it would have been to be much older and have kids with someone who wasn't on board with FIRE.

I wouldn't go back and change a thing but I always chaff when people say how easy it is. Its like dieting. Its simple math calories in vs calories out but when you look at America, how many people are still overweight? How many people fall for scam dieting programs that only make their wallets lighter. Of course its simple once you figure it out, but for people who are lost it seems very overwhelming.

Sorry to get too deep on a funny board lol

Yeah, an unfortunate part of life is that you can know exactly how the math works, but it won't help if your psychology isn't equipped to act on it. And people behave differently in different parts of life, too; humans aren't consistent. e.g. I have a ~64% savings rate and 50 pounds of obesity that is unlikely to go away anytime soon. So I have a variable amount of sympathy for spendypants suckers even while their trainwrecks entertain us all.

The difference is that fat people know they're fat and only a tiny minority of people try to justify it or say that it's an optimum state to be in. They might accept it but they don't extol it. Many high spenders genuinely think the only way to live is by spending every penny.

[jinga nation]

The difference is that fat people know they're fat and only a tiny minority of people try to justify it or say that it's an optimum state to be in. They might accept it but they don't extol it.

Hold my beer... you haven't met fat people in my family. I mean, my extended family. (pun intended)

There's this idea in (East) Indian and African cultures that being fat = healthy. Being slim is associated with poverty.

Every time I go back to East Africa, my relatives assume things are bad for my wife and me. I have to explain to them that being poor in America means you can't afford a lot of veggies and whole grain foods in the supermarket, that food deserts exist, and we don't live in one.

White bread syndrome:
America - cheapest you can find, bad for you.
East Africa - associated with wealth, because brown bread is more common and cheaper. Also, "White is Right"

[Wrenchturner]

The difference is that fat people know they're fat and only a tiny minority of people try to justify it or say that it's an optimum state to be in. They might accept it but they don't extol it.

Hold my beer... you haven't met fat people in my family. I mean, my extended family. (pun intended)

There's this idea in (East) Indian and African cultures that being fat = healthy. Being slim is associated with poverty.

Every time I go back to East Africa, my relatives assume things are bad for my wife and me. I have to explain to them that being poor in America means you can't afford a lot of veggies and whole grain foods in the supermarket, that food deserts exist, and we don't live in one.

White bread syndrome:
America - cheapest you can find, bad for you.
East Africa - associated with wealth, because brown bread is more common and cheaper. Also, "White is Right"

Being slim was associated with poverty for millennia!  Being fat is only a recent pathology.  And having some fat is good if you get sick, from what I understand.

[AnnaGrowsAMustache]

The difference is that fat people know they're fat and only a tiny minority of people try to justify it or say that it's an optimum state to be in. They might accept it but they don't extol it.

Hold my beer... you haven't met fat people in my family. I mean, my extended family. (pun intended)

There's this idea in (East) Indian and African cultures that being fat = healthy. Being slim is associated with poverty.

Every time I go back to East Africa, my relatives assume things are bad for my wife and me. I have to explain to them that being poor in America means you can't afford a lot of veggies and whole grain foods in the supermarket, that food deserts exist, and we don't live in one.

White bread syndrome:
America - cheapest you can find, bad for you.
East Africa - associated with wealth, because brown bread is more common and cheaper. Also, "White is Right"

Being slim was associated with poverty for millennia!  Being fat is only a recent pathology.  And having some fat is good if you get sick, from what I understand.

Being seriously ill will melt that fat away in record time. Your body does need resources to fight with. Having said that, a healthy weight has enough body fat for that. You're not saving up for anything by being 300 pounds! It's funny how doctor's change advice over time though - before old age they encourage you to lose a few pounds, once you hit "old age" they encourage you to maintain your weight.

[Wrenchturner]

Being seriously ill will melt that fat away in record time. Your body does need resources to fight with. Having said that, a healthy weight has enough body fat for that. You're not saving up for anything by being 300 pounds! It's funny how doctor's change advice over time though - before old age they encourage you to lose a few pounds, once you hit "old age" they encourage you to maintain your weight.

You're right.  Part of the problem is that what is marketed to be healthy is like <10% body fat.

[AnnaGrowsAMustache]

Being seriously ill will melt that fat away in record time. Your body does need resources to fight with. Having said that, a healthy weight has enough body fat for that. You're not saving up for anything by being 300 pounds! It's funny how doctor's change advice over time though - before old age they encourage you to lose a few pounds, once you hit "old age" they encourage you to maintain your weight.

You're right.  Part of the problem is that what is marketed to be healthy is like <10% body fat.

Anything that's suggested that has you actively working against your own healthy body isn't healthy. Very low bodyfat is hard for most people to maintain for a reason. There will always be a few who are just genetically of very low bodyfat. That's their healthy. It isn't my healthy. There isn't one healthy, just as there isn't an ideal height or skintone or eyecolour or orientation. You have to remember that people who deal with large groups of folk, like medical agencies, use statistics to tell them what is "normal" and therefore healthy. Outliers aren't automatically unhealthy. I've got friends whose baby was classed as very underweight by their local medical center. By the general standards of kiwi babies, she was a very small baby for her age. Except that her parents are of East Asian extraction, both below 5'5 and both of tiny build. The med staff were also concerned at what the child was being fed - a traditional East Asian type of baby food, one that has raised millions of East Asians! Suffice to say, the child was absolutely fine, although it took awhile for the do-gooders to come to that conclusion.

[AlanStache]

...
Anything that's suggested that has you actively working against your own healthy body isn't healthy. Very low bodyfat is hard for most people to maintain for a reason. There will always be a few who are just genetically of very low bodyfat. That's their healthy. It isn't my healthy. There isn't one healthy, just as there isn't an ideal height or skintone or eyecolour or orientation. You have to remember that people who deal with large groups of folk, like medical agencies, use statistics to tell them what is "normal" and therefore healthy. Outliers aren't automatically unhealthy. I've got friends whose baby was classed as very underweight by their local medical center. By the general standards of kiwi babies, she was a very small baby for her age. Except that her parents are of East Asian extraction, both below 5'5 and both of tiny build. The med staff were also concerned at what the child was being fed - a traditional East Asian type of baby food, one that has raised millions of East Asians! Suffice to say, the child was absolutely fine, although it took awhile for the do-gooders to come to that conclusion.

I would hope they are using quantity and quality of life to determine what is healthly and not just "normal == healthy".  I cant say I care what is or was normal, I care about living a long high quality life. 

But yeah your friends are why simple statistical models cant be blindly applied.  One always needs to remember how a mathematical model was generated and what assumptions are baked into it or its source data. 

[Taran Wanderer]

People get so fixated on “average” being “normal”. In mathematical terms, normal is a distribution and includes a range of values.  Weather forecasts are the worst for this. It drives me nuts to hear the weather person on the local news declare that today was X degrees above or below normal.  IT’S ABOVE OR BELOW AVERAGE!!!  Yes, that’s me yelling at the TV.  They haven’t heard me yet, apparently.

[JAYSLOL]

The former high school classmate Facebook friend of mine that has spent the last 2 years posting about how they really need to win the lottery to have any chance of paying off debts while posting photos of a brand new big screen tv and new huge dodge truck and complaining about their "loan place"(payday loans), and not making ends meet just posted that they crashed their SO's car and posted a photo of a brand new jeep SUV as the replacement.  I just don't understand how people can be so wrapped up in consumerism that they can completely destroy their own future for that new car smell today.

It’s been a long time since an update.  Just saw a post that this person is off to Las Vegas, I have a feeling more posts of anti-mustachian financial trainwreckery will follow. 

[cupcakery]

Sounds like humble bragging to me, especially since he uses that ridiculous baby-talk "vacay".

Definitely some bragging in there. "This vacay" as in "I've taken others and plan to do it again."  They're either advertising that they're incredibly stupid at planning and not reading price tags, or bragging that they can afford to blow that much money.  The last time I had a $1000 hotel bill I was staying somewhere for two weeks.

I can’t even with the fat fire community

This is particularly funny to me.  A few years ago, I spent the day with one of my out of town friends.  She had just lost her job and had her car repossessed.  We were just walking around and she wanted to go in the candle shop because they were having a sale.  I said that I thought it was a bad idea given her financial situation, but was told that they were 50% off so she HAD to get them.  When it was time to go, she asked if I wanted to get dinner.  I said no, I was going to eat at home and save my money.  She said we could go somewhere cheap.  No thanks.  Meanwhile, I was gainfully employed with money in the bank.  It made me sad.

[partgypsy]

Being seriously ill will melt that fat away in record time. Your body does need resources to fight with. Having said that, a healthy weight has enough body fat for that. You're not saving up for anything by being 300 pounds! It's funny how doctor's change advice over time though - before old age they encourage you to lose a few pounds, once you hit "old age" they encourage you to maintain your weight.

You're right.  Part of the problem is that what is marketed to be healthy is like <10% body fat.

Anything that's suggested that has you actively working against your own healthy body isn't healthy. Very low bodyfat is hard for most people to maintain for a reason. There will always be a few who are just genetically of very low bodyfat. That's their healthy. It isn't my healthy. There isn't one healthy, just as there isn't an ideal height or skintone or eyecolour or orientation. You have to remember that people who deal with large groups of folk, like medical agencies, use statistics to tell them what is "normal" and therefore healthy. Outliers aren't automatically unhealthy. I've got friends whose baby was classed as very underweight by their local medical center. By the general standards of kiwi babies, she was a very small baby for her age. Except that her parents are of East Asian extraction, both below 5'5 and both of tiny build. The med staff were also concerned at what the child was being fed - a traditional East Asian type of baby food, one that has raised millions of East Asians! Suffice to say, the child was absolutely fine, although it took awhile for the do-gooders to come to that conclusion.

Or get a doctor with common sense. My oldest daughter was always around 50% of weight but- as she is long/skinny, for a long time her bmi was very low, around the 5% level. The doctor simply tracked her weight. She was healthy, she stayed in the same percentile but just following her own track). She only ended up getting into the 25% later in life when she hit puberty and got some curves. Still, her bmi will always be on the low side because she just has a stretched out body shape (long limbs).

otoh with pregnancy with youngest, they were concerned about her in utero, bugging me to eat more because based on the ultrasounds were estimating her to be underweight saying she was going to be around 4.5-5.5 lbs at birth. When she was born she was 7 lb 1 ounce.

[ysette9]

I’ve read that the causal arrow goes the other direction though: you eat more and gain more weight because the baby you are growing is big, not that eating more will make the baby bigger.

I’ve made three babies and each pregnancy I pretty much ate the same. My first baby I was told not to do strenuous exercise and she was tiny (1.65kg). My second I ate the same and exercised and she was gigantic for her gestational age and has remained consistently 90th percentile for weight from day 1. My third baby is somewhere in the middle and was the pregnancy where I worked out pretty much daily.

[partgypsy]

I’ve read that the causal arrow goes the other direction though: you eat more and gain more weight because the baby you are growing is big, not that eating more will make the baby bigger.

I’ve made three babies and each pregnancy I pretty much ate the same. My first baby I was told not to do strenuous exercise and she was tiny (1.65kg). My second I ate the same and exercised and she was gigantic for her gestational age and has remained consistently 90th percentile for weight from day 1. My third baby is somewhere in the middle and was the pregnancy where I worked out pretty much daily.

What I have heard, is that the baby steals from the mom. The baby is typically going to get what it needs regardless. But not an excuse not to eat well or nutritionally because it will definitely impact the mother's health and possibly impact the baby.  The opposite thing happened when my mother when pregnant with me was told to STOP EATING so much, you are getting too fat! She was basically put on a diet. The doctor didn't realize she was having twins. It is true we were both on the small side and probably would have weighed more if she ate the way she wanted. But we were both perfectly healthy. 

[Sibley]

I’ve read that the causal arrow goes the other direction though: you eat more and gain more weight because the baby you are growing is big, not that eating more will make the baby bigger.

I’ve made three babies and each pregnancy I pretty much ate the same. My first baby I was told not to do strenuous exercise and she was tiny (1.65kg). My second I ate the same and exercised and she was gigantic for her gestational age and has remained consistently 90th percentile for weight from day 1. My third baby is somewhere in the middle and was the pregnancy where I worked out pretty much daily.

What I have heard, is that the baby steals from the mom. The baby is typically going to get what it needs regardless. But not an excuse not to eat well or nutritionally because it will definitely impact the mother's health and possibly impact the baby.  The opposite thing happened when my mother when pregnant with me was told to STOP EATING so much, you are getting too fat! She was basically put on a diet. The doctor didn't realize she was having twins. It is true we were both on the small side and probably would have weighed more if she ate the way she wanted. But we were both perfectly healthy.

I sincerely hope that doctor apologized on hands and knees to your mother when they realized that they starved a pregnant woman because of stupid "norms". But I doubt that happened. Sometimes doctors are really, really stupid.

[partgypsy]

No. This was when pregnant and laboring women were treated like cattle. Things have definitely improved.

[Travis]

From the comments section of the Garrison Commander's daily update:

Will my kids be excused if I don't school them at home? I am not a teacher nor do I want to be

School has been closed for three weeks and counting. The students are receiving daily assignments on the school portal.  As parents we don't have to teach a damn thing - just make sure the kids are logging in and doing the work.  Regardless, we're parents. Making sure our kids are getting an education somehow is what parents do.  Several other spouses gave her hell for the comment.

[DadJokes]

Found this gen today:

I feel some businesses are taking advantage of the situation regarding the Tornado and this Virus!!! I went to one of the Cigarette stores that have been to a few times but not my regular place I stop at. As the 2 places I normally go to were blown way or damaged by tornado. ANYWAY...go into this Cigarette store couple days ago and ask for just a couple of packs of my brand (generic) until I get paid this Friday, The person behind counter....tells me they don't sell by the pack!! WHAT..I say?? What the HELL?? He tells me that they only sell the "Edgefield RED 100's Box" only by the CARTON!!  Because his customers only buy by the carton and never packs?? I just about turned around and wallked out of there. I told him my cigarette places both of them got hit by tornado and just wanted couple packs to hold me over for couple days till I get paid!! He gave in and opened a carton and let me buy 2 packs!! I GUESS THEY MAKE MORE MONEY OFF SELLING CARTONS THAN PACKS??... — feeling mad.

[Taran Wanderer]

Found this gen today:

Addiction sucks.

[La Bibliotecaria Feroz]

Found this gen today:

Addiction sucks.

Many smokers never buy more than one pack at a time because they will smoke faster if they have more. My mother, as a smoker in the 80s, bought by the carton because it was cheaper, whereas my father, who still smokes, has always done just one pack at a time. Which is obviously terrible in many ways, but at least shows  some self-awareness?

[AnnaGrowsAMustache]

Found this gen today:

Addiction sucks.

Many smokers never buy more than one pack at a time because they will smoke faster if they have more. My mother, as a smoker in the 80s, bought by the carton because it was cheaper, whereas my father, who still smokes, has always done just one pack at a time. Which is obviously terrible in many ways, but at least shows  some self-awareness?

I employ the same logic about chocolate. Big bars are cheaper, but little bars mean I can't eat as much...... sigh

[Travis]

Found this gen today:

Addiction sucks.

Many smokers never buy more than one pack at a time because they will smoke faster if they have more. My mother, as a smoker in the 80s, bought by the carton because it was cheaper, whereas my father, who still smokes, has always done just one pack at a time. Which is obviously terrible in many ways, but at least shows  some self-awareness?

I employ the same logic about chocolate. Big bars are cheaper, but little bars mean I can't eat as much...... sigh

I'll continue to eat as much chocolate as you put in front of me, often to the point of it making me sick. When there's chocolate candy in the house, normal procedure is for her to grab one or two, my son has a stash, and the rest goes with me to work.  After Halloween, Christmas, and Easter my wife has to remind me of my eating habits and how unsympathetic she'll be if I give myself a stomach ache. 

[dragoncar]

Found this gen today:

Addiction sucks.

Many smokers never buy more than one pack at a time because they will smoke faster if they have more. My mother, as a smoker in the 80s, bought by the carton because it was cheaper, whereas my father, who still smokes, has always done just one pack at a time. Which is obviously terrible in many ways, but at least shows  some self-awareness?

I employ the same logic about chocolate. Big bars are cheaper, but little bars mean I can't eat as much...... sigh

Gotta get a chocobuddy

[AnnaGrowsAMustache]

Found this gen today:

Addiction sucks.

Many smokers never buy more than one pack at a time because they will smoke faster if they have more. My mother, as a smoker in the 80s, bought by the carton because it was cheaper, whereas my father, who still smokes, has always done just one pack at a time. Which is obviously terrible in many ways, but at least shows  some self-awareness?

I employ the same logic about chocolate. Big bars are cheaper, but little bars mean I can't eat as much...... sigh

Gotta get a chocobuddy

Been there. Turns out that sharing doesn't mean halving.......

[jinga nation]

Found this gen today:

Addiction sucks.

Many smokers never buy more than one pack at a time because they will smoke faster if they have more. My mother, as a smoker in the 80s, bought by the carton because it was cheaper, whereas my father, who still smokes, has always done just one pack at a time. Which is obviously terrible in many ways, but at least shows  some self-awareness?

I employ the same logic about chocolate. Big bars are cheaper, but little bars mean I can't eat as much...... sigh

Gotta get a chocobuddy

Been there. Turns out that sharing doesn't mean halving.......

Split your choc according to your asset allocation. I share 80/20 or 70/30 with wife, sometimes 60/40 if I'm in a good mood.

[frugalnacho]

I take the boglehead approach to chocolate and consume about 10X what is realistically required just in case.  2,000 calories a day? preposterous, I don't see how anyone could survive on less than 20,000.

[dragoncar]

Found this gen today:

Addiction sucks.

Many smokers never buy more than one pack at a time because they will smoke faster if they have more. My mother, as a smoker in the 80s, bought by the carton because it was cheaper, whereas my father, who still smokes, has always done just one pack at a time. Which is obviously terrible in many ways, but at least shows  some self-awareness?

I employ the same logic about chocolate. Big bars are cheaper, but little bars mean I can't eat as much...... sigh

Gotta get a chocobuddy

Been there. Turns out that sharing doesn't mean halving.......

Split your choc according to your asset allocation. I share 80/20 or 70/30 with wife, sometimes 60/40 if I'm in a good mood.

This seems like a good strategy until you have to rebalance

[jinga nation]

Found this gen today:

Addiction sucks.

Many smokers never buy more than one pack at a time because they will smoke faster if they have more. My mother, as a smoker in the 80s, bought by the carton because it was cheaper, whereas my father, who still smokes, has always done just one pack at a time. Which is obviously terrible in many ways, but at least shows  some self-awareness?

I employ the same logic about chocolate. Big bars are cheaper, but little bars mean I can't eat as much...... sigh

Gotta get a chocobuddy

Been there. Turns out that sharing doesn't mean halving.......

Split your choc according to your asset allocation. I share 80/20 or 70/30 with wife, sometimes 60/40 if I'm in a good mood.

This seems like a good strategy until you have to rebalance

Always rebalance in your favor.
I'm in shape, round is a shape.

[Uturn]

Three posts this week from the same person

Upset that their annual Disney World trip is cancelled
Grateful for restaurant delivery services, because who has time to cook and
Upset that they won't be getting a stimulus check because they cannot afford to pay taxes, therefore does not have returns filed for the last few years