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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6450 on: January 22, 2015, 08:37:38 AM »
"It's so expensive to eat healthy. It's cheap to eat unhealthy."

The same person, minutes later...

"I've never eaten raw green beans before! I didn't know you even could eat raw green beans..."

I didn't eat vegetables until I was out of college. It can happen. I really didn't like them at all and still don't love a lot of them. Peppers, onions, mushrooms, and sweet potatoes. That's all I'm comfortable with now. I'll eat pan fried green beans but they're not my top choice.

I feel like I have a pretty varied palate but I've never eaten raw green beans. I always cook them. Is that weird?

It's not weird, but you're missing out. :) Raw green beans picked out of the garden are my second favorite thing. Most favorite is fresh peas out of the garden.

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« Reply #6451 on: January 22, 2015, 09:00:55 AM »
Just mentioned this guy in a new thread I started about tax returns... but same guy that maxed out his credit cards to buy a tactical fanny pack, knife, and few hundred dollar watch (that broke after a week on the job) went out and bough an AR-15 and two separate scopes for it... then was complaining that he had to wait two paychecks to afford bullets to go shooting (one paycheck went to the deposit to hold the gun, the next went to the other half of the gun....and the one he is waiting on will buy the bullets.

One of my co-workers does the same thing.  When I told him that he should be putting money into retirement or saving for his kid, he says "what's the point, the worlds going to end soon anyways, may as well buy guns, ammunition and knives now".  With the money he's spent on guns he'll never use he could have bought a lathe and made as many guns as he wanted, and a belt grinder to make as many knives as he wanted.

It's pretty disturbing that people who think like this are so heavily armed.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6452 on: January 22, 2015, 09:09:52 AM »
They have 53 paychecks a year more often than the biweekly crowd has 27 paychecks a year, so this phenomenon happens to them more often than the office worker crowd that's getting all worked up about it this year (painting broad strokes here-not everyone cares/is getting worked up about it).  All but one are thrilled with their sizeable refunds each spring, so they probably don't notice the slightly higher effective tax rate. 
Haha oh yea I forgot that there are weekly pay schedules. I didn't realize that until I was looking up the withholding tables that employers use, and saw there was a chart for a weekly pay cycle.

But like zephyr said above, it's impossible to reason with people who don't want to learn and don' think this is a logical system that can be learned because the government is just out to take all their money.  So I just turn to this thread and share my frustrations with all of you enlightened folks :)
It is one of the ways that I pass the time while procrastinating =P
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6453 on: January 22, 2015, 09:10:45 AM »
Just mentioned this guy in a new thread I started about tax returns... but same guy that maxed out his credit cards to buy a tactical fanny pack, knife, and few hundred dollar watch (that broke after a week on the job) went out and bough an AR-15 and two separate scopes for it... then was complaining that he had to wait two paychecks to afford bullets to go shooting (one paycheck went to the deposit to hold the gun, the next went to the other half of the gun....and the one he is waiting on will buy the bullets.

One of my co-workers does the same thing.  When I told him that he should be putting money into retirement or saving for his kid, he says "what's the point, the worlds going to end soon anyways, may as well buy guns, ammunition and knives now".  With the money he's spent on guns he'll never use he could have bought a lathe and made as many guns as he wanted, and a belt grinder to make as many knives as he wanted.

It's pretty disturbing that people who think like this are so heavily armed.



Considering that he hasn't focused on any of the real aspects of survival like toughening your body,going without, farming, or knowledge and skills acquisition I'd say that's a fair assessment. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6454 on: January 22, 2015, 09:22:51 AM »
Just mentioned this guy in a new thread I started about tax returns... but same guy that maxed out his credit cards to buy a tactical fanny pack, knife, and few hundred dollar watch (that broke after a week on the job) went out and bough an AR-15 and two separate scopes for it... then was complaining that he had to wait two paychecks to afford bullets to go shooting (one paycheck went to the deposit to hold the gun, the next went to the other half of the gun....and the one he is waiting on will buy the bullets.

One of my co-workers does the same thing.  When I told him that he should be putting money into retirement or saving for his kid, he says "what's the point, the worlds going to end soon anyways, may as well buy guns, ammunition and knives now".  With the money he's spent on guns he'll never use he could have bought a lathe and made as many guns as he wanted, and a belt grinder to make as many knives as he wanted.

It's pretty disturbing that people who think like this are so heavily armed.



Considering that he hasn't focused on any of the real aspects of survival like toughening your body,going without, farming, or knowledge and skills acquisition I'd say that's a fair assessment.

When I asked him why he needed the AR-15/knife etc. he said "for protection" and I asked, "What are you protecting? Your maxed out credit card?" He laughed and said it wouldn't be maxed out when he got his tax return. I give it two weeks tops

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6455 on: January 22, 2015, 11:52:35 AM »

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6456 on: January 22, 2015, 12:08:24 PM »
So a guy at work got into a car accident. T-boned a guy, everyone was ok. Says he's T-boned a guy every 4 years in the winter (3 times now, fairly consistent). Says he's gonna get a new car on lease to replace the old one (that was also on lease). I asked if he'd consider a used car, and he told me he's done that and hates having to pay for repairs. I said he's paying more on lease to avoid repairs than I have ever owning my car (10 years almost). He wouldn't hear it. He lives in NYC and honestly wouldn't need a car. At least it's going to be a car (civic kinda thing). Best quote of all of this: "at least the insurance will cover the rest of the lease so I can get a new one". I shudder to think what he pays in insurance on top of the lease price.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6457 on: January 22, 2015, 12:13:13 PM »


Basic gun safety fail...  Finger should be off the trigger. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6458 on: January 22, 2015, 01:30:23 PM »
I think it is trying to hide in the hole so he doesn't eat it too

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6459 on: January 22, 2015, 01:35:13 PM »
"It's so expensive to eat healthy. It's cheap to eat unhealthy."

The same person, minutes later...

"I've never eaten raw green beans before! I didn't know you even could eat raw green beans..."

I didn't eat vegetables until I was out of college. It can happen. I really didn't like them at all and still don't love a lot of them. Peppers, onions, mushrooms, and sweet potatoes. That's all I'm comfortable with now. I'll eat pan fried green beans but they're not my top choice.

I feel like I have a pretty varied palate but I've never eaten raw green beans. I always cook them. Is that weird?

It's not weird, but you're missing out. :) Raw green beans picked out of the garden are my second favorite thing. Most favorite is fresh peas out of the garden.

QFT... I love picking and eating a few fresh out of the garden here and there while I'm harvesting!

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« Reply #6460 on: January 22, 2015, 01:54:55 PM »
It's not weird, but you're missing out. :) Raw green beans picked out of the garden are my second favorite thing. Most favorite is fresh peas out of the garden.

QFT... I love picking and eating a few fresh out of the garden here and there while I'm harvesting!
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When I was in high school I had a summer job moving irrigation pipe for a near-by farmer (work white people won't do, I'm told now) and he raised green beans, sweet corn, and dicing carrots, the big fat ones.  I was always surprised he had anything left to sell to the cannery, I ate so much.  Maybe constantly starving teenagers shouldn't work around food.

Now I inspect the canned and frozen vegetables for a living.  I tell people I only eat vegetables if I'm paid to, but it's just a joke.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6461 on: January 22, 2015, 02:28:14 PM »
I think it is trying to hide in the hole so he doesn't eat it too
You are more dangerous then this guy. That nearly chocked me to death by laughing.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6462 on: January 22, 2015, 02:34:11 PM »


Basic gun safety fail...  Finger should be off the trigger.

My DH is always telling the TV how unsafe their gun practices are, when we are watching a movie or show. It's pretty scary because watching on people on TV is about all the gun knowledge most people have.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6463 on: January 22, 2015, 07:25:33 PM »
When I first heard people talking about k-cups, I thought it was a new larger size of designer fake boobs. Larger than a D-cup, which is already larger than I find attractive.

You realize that K is already a size? Not a particularly uncommon one, relegated to Penthouse spreads?

A friend of mine who is a petite size 10 normally breast fed triplets. She had to get her M cup breastfeeding bra imported from the UK.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6464 on: January 22, 2015, 08:23:58 PM »
When I first heard people talking about k-cups, I thought it was a new larger size of designer fake boobs. Larger than a D-cup, which is already larger than I find attractive.

You realize that K is already a size? Not a particularly uncommon one, relegated to Penthouse spreads?

A friend of mine who is a petite size 10 normally breast fed triplets. She had to get her M cup breastfeeding bra imported from the UK.

Right? Cup size is simply the difference between rib measurement above the waist, right under the breast tissue and bust (roughly around the nipple line) measurement. Each inch goes up a letter. So a 32K would have a 32 inch rib cage and a 43 inch bust measurement. Not freakish at all, especially for a larger frame or a taller person.

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« Reply #6465 on: January 22, 2015, 09:39:07 PM »
Later we were talking about stocks, and he unimpressed that I don't have anything that's up 4000% this year (not that he does either, all his cash flow goes to sports car payments at 8% interest.)  I tried to explain dividends and compounding and tax efficiency, but, he started to zone out.

That in a nutshell is a huge reason why many professional athletes are broke. I finally watched the 30 for 30 documentary "Broke," on this and they interviewed a few investment planners that stated that almost none of the athletes would touch mutual funds. They wanted sexy investments like restaurants, and things that would have a 400% investment.

I think I read a story recently about Carmelo hiring a "financial planner" that said they were looking at business plans that would produce a "10,000% ROI." I think the investments also came with snake oil... Not sure though.

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« Reply #6466 on: January 23, 2015, 10:38:53 AM »
Later we were talking about stocks, and he unimpressed that I don't have anything that's up 4000% this year (not that he does either, all his cash flow goes to sports car payments at 8% interest.)  I tried to explain dividends and compounding and tax efficiency, but, he started to zone out.

That in a nutshell is a huge reason why many professional athletes are broke. I finally watched the 30 for 30 documentary "Broke," on this and they interviewed a few investment planners that stated that almost none of the athletes would touch mutual funds. They wanted sexy investments like restaurants, and things that would have a 400% investment.

I think I read a story recently about Carmelo hiring a "financial planner" that said they were looking at business plans that would produce a "10,000% ROI." I think the investments also came with snake oil... Not sure though.

We've got a thread going on about that specific story:  http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/antimustachian-wall-of-shame-and-comedy/nba-player-looking-for-10-000-roi/msg527031

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6467 on: January 23, 2015, 11:29:18 AM »
So a guy at work got into a car accident. T-boned a guy, everyone was ok. Says he's T-boned a guy every 4 years in the winter (3 times now, fairly consistent). Says he's gonna get a new car on lease to replace the old one (that was also on lease). I asked if he'd consider a used car, and he told me he's done that and hates having to pay for repairs. I said he's paying more on lease to avoid repairs than I have ever owning my car (10 years almost). He wouldn't hear it. He lives in NYC and honestly wouldn't need a car. At least it's going to be a car (civic kinda thing). Best quote of all of this: "at least the insurance will cover the rest of the lease so I can get a new one". I shudder to think what he pays in insurance on top of the lease price.

gap insurance( the difference between the value of the car and how much you owed the leasing company)  should be build into the price of the lease, or the financing, and its like 500 bucks max.

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« Reply #6468 on: January 23, 2015, 11:40:03 AM »
Two CWs, both want puppies. I'm all for rescue. We're in Chicago, Illinois.

CW1: I've been thinking of getting a puppy for a while now. I found a breeder in Arizona, the puppies are {insert very expensive breed, I have no memory} are $1250 each. But they have this adorable brother and sister pair, and if I get two then I get a discount on the 2nd.
Me: They're in Arizona, right? How do they get here safely?
CW1: Oh they'll send them on a plane. Both and travel costs are only $5k.
Me: Wouldn't it be a lot cheaper to go to the shelters and find a puppy you like?
CW1: But shelter dogs have so many problems, I really want a pure bred.
CW2: I'm also getting a puppy. I found a breeder in Iowa, they have {insert very expensive breed}, and there's one that's so cute. Only $1000, and that includes transportation.
Me: [unable to process the waste and shame, there's a high probability that these are puppy mills]. ....

Great thoughts right here. Purebreds never have any health problems...

Right. We have rescued every animal we have ever owned, and they have turned out to be the best pets I've ever seen.  Smart, good tempered, kind, etc.  Also, from everything I've seen... breeder dogs have had way more problems than mutts we have found.
I've seen a lot of purebred animals in shelters, why would anyone believe that rescues are always mixed?

Because generally they are, also there are some people for whom when they state "purebred," they are referring to the dog also have a pedigree and papers. I don't know enough, but maybe that is what people are thinking about? In general when I was looking to adopt a dog, I was looking for mixed breeds as I assumed that nearly any purebred would be from a mill and that while a mixed breed dog likely is, I figured that the dog would have less of a risk of hereditary disease. Not sure if I was right in my assumptions, but that was my reasoning.

Haven't been here in a while... anyway update on the 3 puppies. All are very cute (I've seen many pictures). 2 had health problems when she got them, so put in god knows how much money with the vet. She got them healthy, then they promptly ate something they shouldn't have and required more vet trips. They've been good for a while now, so hopefully she's good to go.

The 3rd has been fine.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6469 on: January 23, 2015, 12:14:40 PM »
So a guy at work got into a car accident. T-boned a guy, everyone was ok. Says he's T-boned a guy every 4 years in the winter (3 times now, fairly consistent). Says he's gonna get a new car on lease to replace the old one (that was also on lease). I asked if he'd consider a used car, and he told me he's done that and hates having to pay for repairs. I said he's paying more on lease to avoid repairs than I have ever owning my car (10 years almost). He wouldn't hear it. He lives in NYC and honestly wouldn't need a car. At least it's going to be a car (civic kinda thing). Best quote of all of this: "at least the insurance will cover the rest of the lease so I can get a new one". I shudder to think what he pays in insurance on top of the lease price.

gap insurance( the difference between the value of the car and how much you owed the leasing company)  should be build into the price of the lease, or the financing, and its like 500 bucks max.
Had no idea what that was, so I was actually referring to the fact that he's totaled 3 cars in 12 years and can't use the mustachian liability only method. He's a guy under 30. It can't be cheap. I figure it's somewhere in the $200-$300/month range on top of leasing (another $200-$300/month I think). So before gas he's probably paying over $500 just to have a car.

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« Reply #6470 on: January 23, 2015, 12:29:36 PM »
Asked a coworker what he was up to for the weekend. He told me that he was actually going on vacation the next week.

When I pressed for details, I learned that he was flying across the country to Portland OR to go car shopping with his 30-yo married daughter and buy her a car!

We're in engineering, and I'm sure he makes decent money, but wow. Way to set your daughter up to succeed on her own.

I have a friend in similar situation, but the receiver end, will call her 'A'. A is 29, has a useless college degree in terms of defining a clear career path. Mommy and daddy: buy her clothes; paid for college; pay for 98% of her HORSE expenses; bought her a brand new Prius; and just recently basically told her that if she wanted to quit her current (sucky) job, they'd pay her living expenses and pay for more education if she wanted to. Until I started encouraging her to basically act like a grown up, she allowed her dad to handle all her finances. He still does at least 50% of it. She doesn't even get most of the bank statements - they all go to her parent's house.

If I didn't see evidence of progress, I'd be completely disgusted with her. Moral of story: people, please act like responsible parents. They came close to ruining this girl, and they don't seem to even see it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6471 on: January 23, 2015, 12:57:22 PM »
They have 53 paychecks a year more often than the biweekly crowd has 27 paychecks a year, so this phenomenon happens to them more often than the office worker crowd that's getting all worked up about it this year (painting broad strokes here-not everyone cares/is getting worked up about it).  All but one are thrilled with their sizeable refunds each spring, so they probably don't notice the slightly higher effective tax rate. 
Haha oh yea I forgot that there are weekly pay schedules. I didn't realize that until I was looking up the withholding tables that employers use, and saw there was a chart for a weekly pay cycle.

Hahahaha and I didn't really know people had biweekly pay schedules until college when I got paid on one!  I generally knew, theoretically, that people that had salaries usually got paid every other week.  But kind of in the way you know there's a rain forest in Central America, though you've never actually seen it or dealt with it, and maybe some of the people you know have visited there (or get paid biweekly) but you've not seen it with your own eyes.  If that makes sense.  There would be a mutiny if we ever tried to switch to biweekly, which was the point of my post waaaay back on the last page that started this whole taxation thing.

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« Reply #6472 on: January 23, 2015, 01:03:16 PM »
They have 53 paychecks a year more often than the biweekly crowd has 27 paychecks a year, so this phenomenon happens to them more often than the office worker crowd that's getting all worked up about it this year (painting broad strokes here-not everyone cares/is getting worked up about it).  All but one are thrilled with their sizeable refunds each spring, so they probably don't notice the slightly higher effective tax rate. 
Haha oh yea I forgot that there are weekly pay schedules. I didn't realize that until I was looking up the withholding tables that employers use, and saw there was a chart for a weekly pay cycle.

Hahahaha and I didn't really know people had biweekly pay schedules until college when I got paid on one!  I generally knew, theoretically, that people that had salaries usually got paid every other week.  But kind of in the way you know there's a rain forest in Central America, though you've never actually seen it or dealt with it, and maybe some of the people you know have visited there (or get paid biweekly) but you've not seen it with your own eyes.  If that makes sense.  There would be a mutiny if we ever tried to switch to biweekly, which was the point of my post waaaay back on the last page that started this whole taxation thing.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6473 on: January 23, 2015, 02:07:59 PM »
It's not weird, but you're missing out. :) Raw green beans picked out of the garden are my second favorite thing. Most favorite is fresh peas out of the garden.

Raw green beans + homemade ranch dressing = tasty crunchy snack.

I have several coworkers who consider themselves "cooks."  I put the word in quotes because all I hear is "oh, I got this great recipe off of (processed crap food)'s website!"  I'll look it up for shits and giggles, and basically the recipe's along the lines of "open this can.  Open this box.  Mix together.  Bake" and it looks like someone puked in a casserole dish.     

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« Reply #6474 on: January 23, 2015, 02:25:04 PM »
When I first heard people talking about k-cups, I thought it was a new larger size of designer fake boobs. Larger than a D-cup, which is already larger than I find attractive.

You realize that K is already a size? Not a particularly uncommon one, relegated to Penthouse spreads?

A friend of mine who is a petite size 10 normally breast fed triplets. She had to get her M cup breastfeeding bra imported from the UK.

Right? Cup size is simply the difference between rib measurement above the waist, right under the breast tissue and bust (roughly around the nipple line) measurement. Each inch goes up a letter. So a 32K would have a 32 inch rib cage and a 43 inch bust measurement. Not freakish at all, especially for a larger frame or a taller person.

Um, yeah. Bravissimo sells up to an L cup (there's a KK in between K and L, too): http://www.bravissimo.com/products/lingerie/

A small frame is even more likely to give you a high-letter cup size; if your rib cage is small, especially if you have some body fat (the support comes from the band, so you need it snug), your band size can get pretty low, so unless you have small breasts, you're probably not going to wear a B cup. My tiny big sister is just under 5 feet, looks perfectly in proportion, and wears an E cup.

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« Reply #6475 on: January 23, 2015, 02:52:41 PM »
When I first heard people talking about k-cups, I thought it was a new larger size of designer fake boobs. Larger than a D-cup, which is already larger than I find attractive.

You realize that K is already a size? Not a particularly uncommon one, relegated to Penthouse spreads?

A friend of mine who is a petite size 10 normally breast fed triplets. She had to get her M cup breastfeeding bra imported from the UK.

Right? Cup size is simply the difference between rib measurement above the waist, right under the breast tissue and bust (roughly around the nipple line) measurement. Each inch goes up a letter. So a 32K would have a 32 inch rib cage and a 43 inch bust measurement. Not freakish at all, especially for a larger frame or a taller person.

Um, yeah. Bravissimo sells up to an L cup (there's a KK in between K and L, too): http://www.bravissimo.com/products/lingerie/

A small frame is even more likely to give you a high-letter cup size; if your rib cage is small, especially if you have some body fat (the support comes from the band, so you need it snug), your band size can get pretty low, so unless you have small breasts, you're probably not going to wear a B cup. My tiny big sister is just under 5 feet, looks perfectly in proportion, and wears an E cup.

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« Reply #6476 on: January 23, 2015, 03:09:46 PM »
Hahahaha and I didn't really know people had biweekly pay schedules until college when I got paid on one!  I generally knew, theoretically, that people that had salaries usually got paid every other week.  But kind of in the way you know there's a rain forest in Central America, though you've never actually seen it or dealt with it, and maybe some of the people you know have visited there (or get paid biweekly) but you've not seen it with your own eyes.  If that makes sense.  There would be a mutiny if we ever tried to switch to biweekly, which was the point of my post waaaay back on the last page that started this whole taxation thing.
Haha and then it got better for me when I learned of semimonthly vs biweekly. Seems oh so similar, but one has 24 paychecks a year, guaranteed, and the other has 26 most of the time.
Sometimes I mistakenly say bimonthly instead of semimonthly....if any average American actually got paid bimonthly, they would probably run out of money around 6 weeks in =P

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6477 on: January 23, 2015, 03:18:58 PM »
They have 53 paychecks a year more often than the biweekly crowd has 27 paychecks a year, so this phenomenon happens to them more often than the office worker crowd that's getting all worked up about it this year (painting broad strokes here-not everyone cares/is getting worked up about it).  All but one are thrilled with their sizeable refunds each spring, so they probably don't notice the slightly higher effective tax rate. 
Haha oh yea I forgot that there are weekly pay schedules. I didn't realize that until I was looking up the withholding tables that employers use, and saw there was a chart for a weekly pay cycle.

Hahahaha and I didn't really know people had biweekly pay schedules until college when I got paid on one!  I generally knew, theoretically, that people that had salaries usually got paid every other week.  But kind of in the way you know there's a rain forest in Central America, though you've never actually seen it or dealt with it, and maybe some of the people you know have visited there (or get paid biweekly) but you've not seen it with your own eyes.  If that makes sense.  There would be a mutiny if we ever tried to switch to biweekly, which was the point of my post waaaay back on the last page that started this whole taxation thing.
my husband gets paid monthly!

As an academic, I get paid once a month, for nine months only (no paycheck July, August, or September).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6478 on: January 23, 2015, 03:39:05 PM »
They have 53 paychecks a year more often than the biweekly crowd has 27 paychecks a year, so this phenomenon happens to them more often than the office worker crowd that's getting all worked up about it this year (painting broad strokes here-not everyone cares/is getting worked up about it).  All but one are thrilled with their sizeable refunds each spring, so they probably don't notice the slightly higher effective tax rate. 
Haha oh yea I forgot that there are weekly pay schedules. I didn't realize that until I was looking up the withholding tables that employers use, and saw there was a chart for a weekly pay cycle.

Hahahaha and I didn't really know people had biweekly pay schedules until college when I got paid on one!  I generally knew, theoretically, that people that had salaries usually got paid every other week.  But kind of in the way you know there's a rain forest in Central America, though you've never actually seen it or dealt with it, and maybe some of the people you know have visited there (or get paid biweekly) but you've not seen it with your own eyes.  If that makes sense.  There would be a mutiny if we ever tried to switch to biweekly, which was the point of my post waaaay back on the last page that started this whole taxation thing.
my husband gets paid monthly!

As an academic, I get paid once a month, for nine months only (no paycheck July, August, or September).

Hey, you guys get paid?  No fair!

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« Reply #6479 on: January 23, 2015, 03:58:23 PM »
Two CWs, both want puppies. I'm all for rescue. We're in Chicago, Illinois.

CW1: I've been thinking of getting a puppy for a while now. I found a breeder in Arizona, the puppies are {insert very expensive breed, I have no memory} are $1250 each. But they have this adorable brother and sister pair, and if I get two then I get a discount on the 2nd.
Me: They're in Arizona, right? How do they get here safely?
CW1: Oh they'll send them on a plane. Both and travel costs are only $5k.
Me: Wouldn't it be a lot cheaper to go to the shelters and find a puppy you like?
CW1: But shelter dogs have so many problems, I really want a pure bred.
CW2: I'm also getting a puppy. I found a breeder in Iowa, they have {insert very expensive breed}, and there's one that's so cute. Only $1000, and that includes transportation.
Me: [unable to process the waste and shame, there's a high probability that these are puppy mills]. ....

Great thoughts right here. Purebreds never have any health problems...

Right. We have rescued every animal we have ever owned, and they have turned out to be the best pets I've ever seen.  Smart, good tempered, kind, etc.  Also, from everything I've seen... breeder dogs have had way more problems than mutts we have found.
I've seen a lot of purebred animals in shelters, why would anyone believe that rescues are always mixed?

Because generally they are, also there are some people for whom when they state "purebred," they are referring to the dog also have a pedigree and papers. I don't know enough, but maybe that is what people are thinking about? In general when I was looking to adopt a dog, I was looking for mixed breeds as I assumed that nearly any purebred would be from a mill and that while a mixed breed dog likely is, I figured that the dog would have less of a risk of hereditary disease. Not sure if I was right in my assumptions, but that was my reasoning.

Haven't been here in a while... anyway update on the 3 puppies. All are very cute (I've seen many pictures). 2 had health problems when she got them, so put in god knows how much money with the vet. She got them healthy, then they promptly ate something they shouldn't have and required more vet trips. They've been good for a while now, so hopefully she's good to go.

The 3rd has been fine.

AHHHH definitely not a good breeder if they're letting people take 2 littermates to the same house :( No wonder she's had high vet bills already :/ 

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« Reply #6480 on: January 23, 2015, 05:54:20 PM »
AHHHH definitely not a good breeder if they're letting people take 2 littermates to the same house :( No wonder she's had high vet bills already :/

Why is that? Too similar a genetic profile, so suceptible to the same health issues?

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« Reply #6481 on: January 23, 2015, 06:20:42 PM »
AHHHH definitely not a good breeder if they're letting people take 2 littermates to the same house :( No wonder she's had high vet bills already :/

Why is that? Too similar a genetic profile, so suceptible to the same health issues?

I think it's because breeders love them some protectionist bullshit and think people taking two dogs will breed them together and compete against them. They've got a list of "rules" a mile long as if this isn't a simple financial transaction.

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« Reply #6482 on: January 23, 2015, 06:59:51 PM »
I thought mixed breed dogs were healthier because they didn't have those genetic weaknesses that come from the single breeds.  At least that's what my almost-veterinarian daughter says...name a dog breed and she will tell you the issue that they are predisposed to get. 


 

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« Reply #6483 on: January 23, 2015, 10:29:23 PM »
AHHHH definitely not a good breeder if they're letting people take 2 littermates to the same house :( No wonder she's had high vet bills already :/

Why is that? Too similar a genetic profile, so suceptible to the same health issues?

The reason I've heard expressed most often has nothing to do with the dogs being related but just that most non-expert pet owners can't effectively train two puppies and get them to respect and bond with the human instead of always looking to each other.

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« Reply #6484 on: January 23, 2015, 11:43:42 PM »

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Hey, you guys get paid?  No fair!

Sorry for keeping it off topic but that reminded me of this Monty Python sketch:
http://www.phespirit.info/montypython/four_yorkshiremen.htm

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« Reply #6485 on: January 24, 2015, 02:32:48 AM »
I thought mixed breed dogs were healthier because they didn't have those genetic weaknesses that come from the single breeds.  At least that's what my almost-veterinarian daughter says...name a dog breed and she will tell you the issue that they are predisposed to get. 


 

Mixed breed dogs can still have genetic problems, it's just that the problems are unpredictable and have a lower frequency. A responsible breeder will not breed animals as pets and deliberately breed in genetic illness. Many breeders of purebred animals breed for show characteristics instead of the characteristics that make good pets, which is one reason purebred animals have a higher incidence of genetic disorders. There are no responsibly bred mixed breed dogs (or very few) which means that they can have ANYTHING wrong with them, and there is no predicting it. It's a crapshoot anyway you look at it unless you know someone who breeds pet animals responsibly.
I also think there's a tendency to blame all genetic disorders in purebred animals on the breeder, and all genetic disorders in mixed breed animals on bad luck, when in reality, it's always the breeder's fault. I'd rather buy an animal from someone who deliberatley bred it than someone too irresonsible to make sure their dog didn't get accidently preggers. And of course rescuing is always an option, although my experience volunteering with rescues is sometimes they don't really care about individual animals and their values don't align with mine.

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« Reply #6486 on: January 24, 2015, 07:31:14 AM »
Eavesdropping on a phone conversation on the bus this am.

"I can't wait to get my tax refund so I can rent a car and move to Atlanta. I hard you can get put on welfare over the phone real quick and rent a 5 bedroom house for $800."


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« Reply #6487 on: January 24, 2015, 10:53:14 AM »
AHHHH definitely not a good breeder if they're letting people take 2 littermates to the same house :( No wonder she's had high vet bills already :/

Why is that? Too similar a genetic profile, so suceptible to the same health issues?

The reason I've heard expressed most often has nothing to do with the dogs being related but just that most non-expert pet owners can't effectively train two puppies and get them to respect and bond with the human instead of always looking to each other.

This is the exact reason.  Two puppies from the same litter in the same house will often become extremely attached to each other and suffer severe separation anxiety from each other.  That can be really bad if one of them has an extended vet visit or god forbid passes away early, etc.  They also don't form as strong of a bond with their owners, and are therefore less likely to be well trained.

To have multiple dogs you really are supposed to take extra time to work on training/obedience individually, and with two puppies of the exact same age that's really hard because most people don't want to leave one unattended (for valid reasons, puppies are monsters!). 

It has nothing to do with breeders worrying about competition.  If a breeder is truly serious about maintaining their breed standard and quality of dogs, they wouldn't be selling show quality puppies to Joe Shmoe anyways.  They'd be keeping them or entering into co-ownership agreements with serious show homes, who would take the breed standard just as seriously and never breed two full siblings (nor half siblings, tbh).

Breeders who really value their breed and show their dogs in order to be sure they're perpetuating the best quality of the breed have a ton of rules because they are trying to protect their puppies.  They aren't engaging in a simple financial transaction; in fact most good breeders that do health testing on the parents, showing, and  proper early-life care (high quality food for parents & weanlings, deworming, vaccinations, etc.) for the puppies are barely breaking even, despite charging a ridiculous amount of money for each individual puppy.  To them it's a passion, not a business, and that's why they feel so strongly about how their puppies are treated for the rest of their lives. They really don't want to see one of their dogs mistreated and end up in the rescue world.  Good breeders will actually take back their dogs from the owners if their life circumstances change and they can't keep the dog, and then keep the dog in their home while trying to find it a new forever home.  Good breeders retire their breeding stock after a few litters and then either keep them as pets for the rest of their lives, or find them good homes with trusted people.  That's not a great profit-generating model, it's a compassionate and caring one.

Mixed breed dogs aren't predisposed to any one disorder because no one knows exactly what the mix they're made up of is.  That just means there's a greater variety of potential health issues, but less statistical chance of having any one specific issue.

FWIW, I have a mixed breed rescue and a purebred who was "rescued" by me from her original home after an unfortunate incident involving biting a kid that was harassing her.  I paid nearly $500 in adoption fees for the mutt, and $0 for the purebred.  The purebred's got significant chronic health issues and behavioral issues, but at least on the behavior side I can't really blame anyone but her first owner, though temperament is semi-hereditary and good breeders do consider it when choosing dogs to breed (and I'm on the fence about this dog's breeder tbh).  The mutt came with health issues caused by his mistreatment (abandoned in a box on the side of the road in Arkansas as a 5 week old puppy! :( :( ) but they resolved quickly and he's never had a behavioral issue except for possibly giving too many kisses :D  It's always a gamble.  I've never bought a puppy from a breeder and I'm not sure I ever will, mainly because of the financial outlay for my favored breed (over 1k, sometimes 2k) and my sense of obligation for rescue dogs, many of whom are the product of crappy backyard breeders who are only in it for the money.

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« Reply #6488 on: January 24, 2015, 06:10:21 PM »
It would take forever to explain the situation at work today. Let's just suffice it to say I swear I left stupider today for listening to it!

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« Reply #6489 on: January 24, 2015, 06:36:30 PM »
It would take forever to explain the situation at work today. Let's just suffice it to say I swear I left stupider today for listening to it!

Judging by your choice of the word "stupider", I'd declare that a true and honest statement! :)

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« Reply #6490 on: January 24, 2015, 07:41:41 PM »
Just a comment - if she has been a student, and then moving around, she may be getting mail (including banking mail) sent to her parents for consistency.  These days most of the young ones do everything on line.  How do I know?  Because I still get a lot of DD's mail - think of me as a post box.  Once she plans to actually stay in the same place for a second year she will do a change of address.  Its not a big deal for me, if something looks important I will get it to her and 98% of it is not important except for a paper trail.

One of the down sides of retirement is that I have nothing god-awful to contribute to this thread. 


I have a friend in similar situation, but the receiver end, will call her 'A'. A is 29, has a useless college degree in terms of defining a clear career path. Mommy and daddy: buy her clothes; paid for college; pay for 98% of her HORSE expenses; bought her a brand new Prius; and just recently basically told her that if she wanted to quit her current (sucky) job, they'd pay her living expenses and pay for more education if she wanted to. Until I started encouraging her to basically act like a grown up, she allowed her dad to handle all her finances. He still does at least 50% of it. She doesn't even get most of the bank statements - they all go to her parent's house.

If I didn't see evidence of progress, I'd be completely disgusted with her. Moral of story: people, please act like responsible parents. They came close to ruining this girl, and they don't seem to even see it.

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« Reply #6491 on: January 25, 2015, 04:22:27 PM »
It would take forever to explain the situation at work today. Let's just suffice it to say I swear I left stupider today for listening to it!

Judging by your choice of the word "stupider", I'd declare that a true and honest statement! :)

Choice of word was for effect. It felt like brain cells were dying by the second.

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« Reply #6492 on: January 25, 2015, 10:11:27 PM »
Choice of word was for effect. It felt like brain cells were dying by the second.

I too feel that I am consistently losing a large number of brain cells in my office via diffusion - yet they don't seem to be making others smarter :P

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« Reply #6493 on: January 25, 2015, 10:36:40 PM »
What are you going to do with your tax refund?
I have to get a new phone.
What's wrong with your phone? You just got it. Isn't it covered under warranty?
There's a newer model out now. (Said slowly and distinctly as if speaking to someone who isn't very bright.)

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« Reply #6494 on: January 26, 2015, 02:15:32 AM »
What are you going to do with your tax refund?
I have to get a new phone.
What's wrong with your phone? You just got it. Isn't it covered under warranty?
There's a newer model out now. (Said slowly and distinctly as if speaking to someone who isn't very bright.)
And that is about 50% of the worlds problems.

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« Reply #6495 on: January 26, 2015, 06:31:03 AM »
It always reminds me of Lisa Simpson* vs. Malibu Stacy.

Smithers: "But she has a new hat!"

*Lisa Lionheart or something like that. Don't know the English version of it.

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« Reply #6496 on: January 26, 2015, 08:12:58 AM »
I thought mixed breed dogs were healthier because they didn't have those genetic weaknesses that come from the single breeds.  At least that's what my almost-veterinarian daughter says...name a dog breed and she will tell you the issue that they are predisposed to get. 

Mixed breed dogs can still have genetic problems, it's just that the problems are unpredictable and have a lower frequency. A responsible breeder will not breed animals as pets and deliberately breed in genetic illness. Many breeders of purebred animals breed for show characteristics instead of the characteristics that make good pets, which is one reason purebred animals have a higher incidence of genetic disorders. There are no responsibly bred mixed breed dogs (or very few) which means that they can have ANYTHING wrong with them, and there is no predicting it. It's a crapshoot anyway you look at it unless you know someone who breeds pet animals responsibly.
I also think there's a tendency to blame all genetic disorders in purebred animals on the breeder, and all genetic disorders in mixed breed animals on bad luck, when in reality, it's always the breeder's fault. I'd rather buy an animal from someone who deliberatley bred it than someone too irresonsible to make sure their dog didn't get accidently preggers. And of course rescuing is always an option, although my experience volunteering with rescues is sometimes they don't really care about individual animals and their values don't align with mine.

-ish. Temperaments are part of the breed standard. So if a breed is supposed to be a companion breed, breeders will select for a good temperament. And while many breeders focus on show lines, that just means you need to choose the right breeder for your purposes. There are show lines, pet lines, and working lines. My mother works with australian shepherds and the show lines have big poofy coats that are completely impractical for actually working with livestock outdoors :) The working dogs are a different line and have much thinner coats and often a larger build. But they're all considered to be within breed standard. Aussies don't necessarily make good pets for a lot of families but show breeders certainly keep an eye towards generating good pets because that's how they'll sell the puppies that don't make the cut. And for many breeders of, say, golden retrievers or labradors, that's primarily the market they're selling to.

As you say, the genetics thing is tricky. German shepherds have been bred with a sloped back which has led to greater vulnerability to hip dysplasia. But a responsible breeder is checking family histories to try to avoid that defect. So while a mutt ought to be healthier because of greater genetic diversity, it's often closely related to animals with high vulnerability. And aside from things like labradoodles, which make up a small percentage, people aren't breeding mixed-breeds and thus no one's keeping an eye on their genetic pedigree.


Edit for relevance: On my walk to work today I saw a Rent-a-Center van with the slogan, "Worry-free living is closer than you think!"

Yes! Because worrying whether my couch is going to be repossessed is totally worry-free living!
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« Reply #6497 on: January 26, 2015, 10:25:09 AM »
Edit for relevance: On my walk to work today I saw a Rent-a-Center van with the slogan, "Worry-free living is closer than you think!"

Yes! Because worrying whether my couch is going to be repossessed is totally worry-free living!

I dated a guy who worked at a Rent-a-Center type place a few years ago, and even though he was the sales manager, he was pretty tall/beefy so they'd sometimes send him out on repos for big stuff.  It was super unpleasant for him because people would either pretend not to be home, get violent/verbally abusive, or parade their kids around and be like "Well junior, this guy has to take away your TV now."  -kid cries- "Oh I know, he's so mean isn't he?"

He was eventually pressured into quitting because they were threatening to fire him for not constantly increasing sales numbers -- he'd try to do the right thing and not sell people something they couldn't reasonably afford but that's not the business model of places like that, and his boss was super cutthroat/gung ho about it.  She apparently would berate the sales floor guys every time someone left the store without buying something, and told my ex that she didn't care if the items got repo'd the next month, the only important thing was getting a sale on the books. 

It was pretty eye-opening for 18 year old me, who was possibly stupid enough to consider buying from a place like that.  Thank goodness I saw the inside scoop before I did anything dumb!

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« Reply #6498 on: January 26, 2015, 10:31:53 AM »
Edit for relevance: On my walk to work today I saw a Rent-a-Center van with the slogan, "Worry-free living is closer than you think!"

Yes! Because worrying whether my couch is going to be repossessed is totally worry-free living!

I dated a guy who worked at a Rent-a-Center type place a few years ago, and even though he was the sales manager, he was pretty tall/beefy so they'd sometimes send him out on repos for big stuff.  It was super unpleasant for him because people would either pretend not to be home, get violent/verbally abusive, or parade their kids around and be like "Well junior, this guy has to take away your TV now."  -kid cries- "Oh I know, he's so mean isn't he?"

He was eventually pressured into quitting because they were threatening to fire him for not constantly increasing sales numbers -- he'd try to do the right thing and not sell people something they couldn't reasonably afford but that's not the business model of places like that, and his boss was super cutthroat/gung ho about it.  She apparently would berate the sales floor guys every time someone left the store without buying something, and told my ex that she didn't care if the items got repo'd the next month, the only important thing was getting a sale on the books. 

It was pretty eye-opening for 18 year old me, who was possibly stupid enough to consider buying from a place like that.  Thank goodness I saw the inside scoop before I did anything dumb!

I'm Canadian. I had to Google 'Rent-a-Center'. That's worse than pay-day loans! Do any Canadian's know if we have this up here I have never seen it before.

I am shocked that the 'Rent-a-Center' business model is considered ok business.

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« Reply #6499 on: January 26, 2015, 11:13:12 AM »
I'm Canadian. I had to Google 'Rent-a-Center'. That's worse than pay-day loans! Do any Canadian's know if we have this up here I have never seen it before.

I am shocked that the 'Rent-a-Center' business model is considered ok business.
Just looked it up now as well. Seems like they are present in Canada, too (15 locations, according to wikipedia). I remember way back in secondary school learning about different methods of credit and hire purchase was right up there with the rest. My teacher was very scornful though and not at all enthusiastic about the idea. I sometimes wonder if that's why, even though I did silly things with credit cards, I never financed any purchases directly with the company.  Considering that almost every company and shop that sells big ticket item offers some kind of financing though, why is it shocking? Or have I misunderstood what they do?