Overheard at Work

[Papa Mustache]

"look honey SHE has a Louis Vuitton, why won't you buy ME one" (talking about me)

This is honestly a fear of mine for if (or when) I get married. It's not so much the money aspect (though that is a factor) but the concept that if anyone else has something, then she should get it as well.

Over the 4th I went to a friend's parent's house, they have a house on a beautiful lake. While there I paddleboarded for the first time, and it was fun. The reason I was able to paddleboard is because one of their neighbors wanted one and so two other neighbors went with her to buy them, the first neighbor is the only one that actually uses it. My friend's parents aren't anywhere close to being Mustachians, but they shook their head and said, "They spent $1200 on them."

You better test drive that subject during the dating process!!! I ditched a couple of girlfriends b/c for one reason or another they were not going to be easy people to share a budget with.

[kayvent]

"look honey SHE has a Louis Vuitton, why won't you buy ME one" (talking about me)

This is honestly a fear of mine for if (or when) I get married. It's not so much the money aspect (though that is a factor) but the concept that if anyone else has something, then she should get it as well.

Don't worry, there are plenty of warning signs long before you get married.  For instance, if anyone needs YOU to pay for something for THEM, then that's a warning.  If I want something, I buy it myself and I don't as my SO to buy it for me.

A close relative started dating a year after her husband died (relative is mid-40's). There was one person she was dating for a month or two, maybe more. One day allegedly he asked her if he could borrow 20$ to buy a pack a smokes, his pay day was five days away. Dumped instantly. Super red flag.

[Kitsune]

I've a 28yo coworker who I consider a closed friend and I've been trying to get him to up his 401k contribution from the preset 4% for the last few months.

Tos morning I asked just for shits and he seriously told me his mom was "looking through his bills" to see how much he could afford to go up to. By the end of the day, he was discussing buying a new Subaru WRX STi($38k).

He does not live with his parents. He owns a house..

Wow. Just... Wow. The day I let my mother go through ANY of my bills is the day I'm legally incapacitated, in which case she's the 4th in line to be able to see to my affairs, as per my will and inaptitude mandate.

Wteverlovingf.

[MishMash]

"look honey SHE has a Louis Vuitton, why won't you buy ME one" (talking about me)

This is honestly a fear of mine for if (or when) I get married. It's not so much the money aspect (though that is a factor) but the concept that if anyone else has something, then she should get it as well.

Over the 4th I went to a friend's parent's house, they have a house on a beautiful lake. While there I paddleboarded for the first time, and it was fun. The reason I was able to paddleboard is because one of their neighbors wanted one and so two other neighbors went with her to buy them, the first neighbor is the only one that actually uses it. My friend's parents aren't anywhere close to being Mustachians, but they shook their head and said, "They spent $1200 on them."

Date someone long enough and you can ferret this out ahead of time.

And..OMG. Really.  "Buy one at a yard sale!"  And no response huh?

Oy.

You usually can ferret it out ahead of time but you are also correct that there seems to be a big "I had babies so I'm staying home and not working" mentality.  Sometimes, in the case of a low wage earner, it does make sense due to the cost of daycare being SO high.  This is very common in military couples, the frequent moves, and cost of daycare, do make it a bit difficult to keep solid employment so for some it makes sense.  In our case DH will be working for a number of years after I am done (probably in the 3-5 year range).  However, that is because of the cliff vesting of his pension and medical (3 years) and a personal goal he wants to attain (which he doesn't need to do but wants to and would add on another 2 years).  We will already be FI when I call it quits (and in all actuality we already are pretty much FI), but we are relying on that medical coverage in our calculations. 

 
Yup, no response to the yard sale thing zip, zilch.  I buy those damn things all the time, all the big brands for pennies on the dollar to what they sell for at the store, sometimes I even score brand new ones, still in the box/bag for under 10 bucks.  I flip them on craigslist for a tidy profit so the deals are definitely out there.  I had to try very hard to not be snarky, there is a large possibility of the two guys moving to the same station for the next PCS.  I personally found it entertaining that my husbands brain function switched off after hearing about the 50k range rover.

[merula]

I've a 28yo coworker who I consider a closed friend and I've been trying to get him to up his 401k contribution from the preset 4% for the last few months.

Tos morning I asked just for shits and he seriously told me his mom was "looking through his bills" to see how much he could afford to go up to. By the end of the day, he was discussing buying a new Subaru WRX STi($38k).

He does not live with his parents. He owns a house..

Wow. Just... Wow. The day I let my mother go through ANY of my bills is the day I'm legally incapacitated, in which case she's the 4th in line to be able to see to my affairs, as per my will and inaptitude mandate.

Wteverlovingf.

I think it depends on the parent. For example, my brother isn't great with money, so he works with our dad on budgeting (Dad being the better financial mind of our parents). If this guy's mother is good with money and he was asking for her help so he didn't get in too far over his head, I see that as commendable.

[Kitsune]

I've a 28yo coworker who I consider a closed friend and I've been trying to get him to up his 401k contribution from the preset 4% for the last few months.

Tos morning I asked just for shits and he seriously told me his mom was "looking through his bills" to see how much he could afford to go up to. By the end of the day, he was discussing buying a new Subaru WRX STi($38k).

He does not live with his parents. He owns a house..

Wow. Just... Wow. The day I let my mother go through ANY of my bills is the day I'm legally incapacitated, in which case she's the 4th in line to be able to see to my affairs, as per my will and inaptitude mandate.

Wteverlovingf.

I think it depends on the parent. For example, my brother isn't great with money, so he works with our dad on budgeting (Dad being the better financial mind of our parents). If this guy's mother is good with money and he was asking for her help so he didn't get in too far over his head, I see that as commendable.

Ah. Fair. My mom is of the 'remind me of what she thinks I did wrong for years and hold it over my head' persuasion. We have an excellent relationship as long as I keep amunition far away from her. With a different relationship, it might be commendable, but I just have a stomach-squeezing gut instinct of 'omg HIDE IT' when I think of my mom reviewing my finances.

[frugalnacho]

I've a 28yo coworker who I consider a closed friend and I've been trying to get him to up his 401k contribution from the preset 4% for the last few months.

Tos morning I asked just for shits and he seriously told me his mom was "looking through his bills" to see how much he could afford to go up to. By the end of the day, he was discussing buying a new Subaru WRX STi($38k).

He does not live with his parents. He owns a house..

Wow. Just... Wow. The day I let my mother go through ANY of my bills is the day I'm legally incapacitated, in which case she's the 4th in line to be able to see to my affairs, as per my will and inaptitude mandate.

Wteverlovingf.

I think it depends on the parent. For example, my brother isn't great with money, so he works with our dad on budgeting (Dad being the better financial mind of our parents). If this guy's mother is good with money and he was asking for her help so he didn't get in too far over his head, I see that as commendable.

she apparently advised him he could afford a $38k subaru. does not sound like sound financial advice

[Chris22]

So the mom thing is weird, but that aside, is there a back story where this guy has terrible finances and in no way can afford this car, or are you just critical of a dude who apparently has different priorities than you? 


I should note that I work with plenty of, and at one time was, young single men with good incomes and little/no other financial obligations who drive cars that were a little more expensive than might be otherwise prudent, but to no ill effects because, again, no other obligations. 

[PencilThinStash]

I just got an email at work saying that payroll wasn't processed this week due to some sort of "technical difficulty" - Whatever, I have cash reserves specifically for random things like this, no big deal as long as I get paid eventually.

I haven't left my office yet to go up front, but I imagine that a few people are rioting. Gonna go "refill my coffee" and see if anything's on fire yet. This could get exciting.

[mtn]

I just got an email at work saying that payroll wasn't processed this week due to some sort of "technical difficulty" - Whatever, I have cash reserves specifically for random things like this, no big deal as long as I get paid eventually.

I haven't left my office yet to go up front, but I imagine that a few people are rioting. Gonna go "refill my coffee" and see if anything's on fire yet. This could get exciting.

Normally I wouldn't even notice that. But if that happened to my wife or I anytime from the end of July to the end of this month, we'd be rioting too.

There are times that even for the responsible that can really fuck up your current situation.

[MgoSam]

I will keep my financial advices to myself when it comes to him. Nothing else I can do ;)

I think that was the wisest course to take.

[Chris22]

I just got an email at work saying that payroll wasn't processed this week due to some sort of "technical difficulty" - Whatever, I have cash reserves specifically for random things like this, no big deal as long as I get paid eventually.

I haven't left my office yet to go up front, but I imagine that a few people are rioting. Gonna go "refill my coffee" and see if anything's on fire yet. This could get exciting.

Normally I wouldn't even notice that. But if that happened to my wife or I anytime from the end of July to the end of this month, we'd be rioting too.

There are times that even for the responsible that can really fuck up your current situation.

Yup.  I manage my checking account cash fairly tightly, and have lots of auto withdrawals and such, it would be a PITA to have to deal with them not paying me.  It's not like they don't do the same thing every other goddamn week, how can they fuck it up?

[mtn]

I just got an email at work saying that payroll wasn't processed this week due to some sort of "technical difficulty" - Whatever, I have cash reserves specifically for random things like this, no big deal as long as I get paid eventually.

I haven't left my office yet to go up front, but I imagine that a few people are rioting. Gonna go "refill my coffee" and see if anything's on fire yet. This could get exciting.

Normally I wouldn't even notice that. But if that happened to my wife or I anytime from the end of July to the end of this month, we'd be rioting too.

There are times that even for the responsible that can really fuck up your current situation.

Yup.  I manage my checking account cash fairly tightly, and have lots of auto withdrawals and such, it would be a PITA to have to deal with them not paying me.  It's not like they don't do the same thing every other goddamn week, how can they fuck it up?

Right now it would probably cause us to lose the house that we're trying to buy. Or at least delay the process, which would require us to move in with parents and get a storage unit.

[PencilThinStash]

I just got an email at work saying that payroll wasn't processed this week due to some sort of "technical difficulty" - Whatever, I have cash reserves specifically for random things like this, no big deal as long as I get paid eventually.

I haven't left my office yet to go up front, but I imagine that a few people are rioting. Gonna go "refill my coffee" and see if anything's on fire yet. This could get exciting.

Normally I wouldn't even notice that. But if that happened to my wife or I anytime from the end of July to the end of this month, we'd be rioting too.

There are times that even for the responsible that can really fuck up your current situation.

Yup.  I manage my checking account cash fairly tightly, and have lots of auto withdrawals and such, it would be a PITA to have to deal with them not paying me.  It's not like they don't do the same thing every other goddamn week, how can they fuck it up?

Right now it would probably cause us to lose the house that we're trying to buy. Or at least delay the process, which would require us to move in with parents and get a storage unit.

Dang, that would actually be a problem.

Like Chris22, I usually keep my checking account pretty tight too - but I just moved a couple grand into checking last week with the intention of buying a motorcycle soon (I know, I know, facepunch me). I suppose I'd be more annoyed if I actually had to do a savings transfer, but I'll just delay the purchase and use it as a cash cushion for a week or two. *shrug*

[mtn]

I just got an email at work saying that payroll wasn't processed this week due to some sort of "technical difficulty" - Whatever, I have cash reserves specifically for random things like this, no big deal as long as I get paid eventually.

I haven't left my office yet to go up front, but I imagine that a few people are rioting. Gonna go "refill my coffee" and see if anything's on fire yet. This could get exciting.

Normally I wouldn't even notice that. But if that happened to my wife or I anytime from the end of July to the end of this month, we'd be rioting too.

There are times that even for the responsible that can really fuck up your current situation.

Yup.  I manage my checking account cash fairly tightly, and have lots of auto withdrawals and such, it would be a PITA to have to deal with them not paying me.  It's not like they don't do the same thing every other goddamn week, how can they fuck it up?

Right now it would probably cause us to lose the house that we're trying to buy. Or at least delay the process, which would require us to move in with parents and get a storage unit.

Dang, that would actually be a problem.

Like Chris22, I usually keep my checking account pretty tight too - but I just moved a couple grand into checking last week with the intention of buying a motorcycle soon (I know, I know, facepunch me). I suppose I'd be more annoyed if I actually had to do a savings transfer, but I'll just delay the purchase and use it as a cash cushion for a week or two. *shrug*

This is the first time in a long time that it would be a problem, but it would certainly delay underwriting and we're on a tight rope in terms of our lease ending and closing. And after the close, we wouldn't notice it at all--assuming they got it fixed within 2 or 3 paychecks.

Although I would be very concerned about my employment status if they couldn't fix it within a week.

[PencilThinStash]

*snip*

This is the first time in a long time that it would be a problem, but it would certainly delay underwriting and we're on a tight rope in terms of our lease ending and closing. And after the close, we wouldn't notice it at all--assuming they got it fixed within 2 or 3 paychecks.

Although I would be very concerned about my employment status if they couldn't fix it within a week.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure someone just accidentally dropped the ball, but it would start to bother me on principle past a certain point.

We have an agreement - I show up and do my job, and you pay me.

To quote someone much smarter than I am: "The day that one of us stops holding up our end, the other is free to do the same."

[HairyUpperLip]

I keep my house at a temp that would give MMMers fits.  68-70 all year around.  Bump up to 75 if we go away.  I have a small house and a highly efficient brand new HVAC system.  My July electric bill was $124.  Whoopty shit.  If it was $400 I'd do something different.  For $124 I'm keeping it exactly as I like it.

lol.

[TheGrimSqueaker]

I keep my house at a temp that would give MMMers fits.  68-70 all year around.  Bump up to 75 if we go away.  I have a small house and a highly efficient brand new HVAC system.  My July electric bill was $124.  Whoopty shit.  If it was $400 I'd do something different.  For $124 I'm keeping it exactly as I like it.

lol.

If I had a $124 electric bill for just one month, I believe I would shit a live canary.

[MishMash]

I keep my house at a temp that would give MMMers fits.  68-70 all year around.  Bump up to 75 if we go away.  I have a small house and a highly efficient brand new HVAC system.  My July electric bill was $124.  Whoopty shit.  If it was $400 I'd do something different.  For $124 I'm keeping it exactly as I like it.

lol.

If I had a $124 electric bill for just one month, I believe I would shit a live canary.

124 is about average for us, but we are all electric no gas.

[Chris22]

I keep my house at a temp that would give MMMers fits.  68-70 all year around.  Bump up to 75 if we go away.  I have a small house and a highly efficient brand new HVAC system.  My July electric bill was $124.  Whoopty shit.  If it was $400 I'd do something different.  For $124 I'm keeping it exactly as I like it.

lol.

If I had a $124 electric bill for just one month, I believe I would shit a live canary.

124 is about average for us, but we are all electric no gas.

As a reference, my electric bill in the winter is ~$60-80 (plus a gas bill of maybe $80; summer gas bill is like $30 but I have a gas water heater and dryer).  So as I see it, I'm paying ~$40-60/mo for 3-4 months to be the temp I want.  I am 100% okay with that. 

[Apples]

*snip*

This is the first time in a long time that it would be a problem, but it would certainly delay underwriting and we're on a tight rope in terms of our lease ending and closing. And after the close, we wouldn't notice it at all--assuming they got it fixed within 2 or 3 paychecks.

Although I would be very concerned about my employment status if they couldn't fix it within a week.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure someone just accidentally dropped the ball, but it would start to bother me on principle past a certain point.

We have an agreement - I show up and do my job, and you pay me.

To quote someone much smarter than I am: "The day that one of us stops holding up our end, the other is free to do the same."

We've only not gotten payroll out on Friday once, and it took until the following Monday afternoon.  Our payroll is physical checks handed out every Friday.  Someone sold their check and the bank called to say duplicates had been made, our checks had been compromised.  The called about this Thursday morning.  It took until Monday to have a totally different set of checks mailed to us and for the bank to get a copy and put out an alert that the old checks could be fake.  We then had to do a bunch of "these check numbers and amounts are real, anything else is fake" and do it with the main local check cashing places.  It was chaos, a lot of people didn't like it, but there was nothing else we could do other than hand out literal cash.  Which I don't think the owners have that much cash laying around, and you couldn't withdraw that much in bills from the bank haha.

[LivlongnProsper]

I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

[MgoSam]

He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month.

34 years at the same place!!!!

[RyanAtTanagra]

So the mom thing is weird, but that aside, is there a back story where this guy has terrible finances and in no way can afford this car, or are you just critical of a dude who apparently has different priorities than you? 

I guess I'm critical because in the past he has commented how "easier" it's for me to save since I make more money than him.

Depending on the snarkiness of those comments, I'll sometimes reply 'and yet your monthly spending is twice mine'.

[MishMash]

I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though. 

[Chris22]

I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

[dragoncar]

*snip*

This is the first time in a long time that it would be a problem, but it would certainly delay underwriting and we're on a tight rope in terms of our lease ending and closing. And after the close, we wouldn't notice it at all--assuming they got it fixed within 2 or 3 paychecks.

Although I would be very concerned about my employment status if they couldn't fix it within a week.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure someone just accidentally dropped the ball, but it would start to bother me on principle past a certain point.

We have an agreement - I show up and do my job, and you pay me.

To quote someone much smarter than I am: "The day that one of us stops holding up our end, the other is free to do the same."

Yeah I'd be angling for go home for the day (paid)... You know, to juggle my finances to accommodate the error. 

[mtn]

I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

[LivlongnProsper]

He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month.

34 years at the same place!!!!

That's right. I drive past this place from time to time and I think it hasn't had much maintenance done in that same time.

[PencilThinStash]

I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

All four of these posts have me salivating right now.

You know you're a functional alcoholic when...

[MgoSam]

I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

All four of these posts have me salivating right now.

You know you're a functional alcoholic when...

I've been lookwarm on bourbons until this Friday. I went over to a friend's house with a few cigars that someone had given me. We smoke them on his porch while sipping Maker's Mark and wow did it really hit the spot.

Any recommendations for a few inexpensive bottles to try, or anything I should know? Or anything you recommend for a first bottle?

[Chris22]

I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

All four of these posts have me salivating right now.

You know you're a functional alcoholic when...

I've been lookwarm on bourbons until this Friday. I went over to a friend's house with a few cigars that someone had given me. We smoke them on his porch while sipping Maker's Mark and wow did it really hit the spot.

Any recommendations for a few inexpensive bottles to try, or anything I should know? Or anything you recommend for a first bottle?

Great thing about bourbons is that you can buy great bottles for well under $50 all day long.

Try:
-Buffalo Trace
-Eagle Rare
-Knob Creek (and KC Single Barrel)
-Jim Beam Black (shockingly good for like $20)
-Maker's 46
-Four Roses
-Templton Rye is pretty good

And there are plenty more. 

[mtn]

I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

All four of these posts have me salivating right now.

You know you're a functional alcoholic when...

I've been lookwarm on bourbons until this Friday. I went over to a friend's house with a few cigars that someone had given me. We smoke them on his porch while sipping Maker's Mark and wow did it really hit the spot.

Any recommendations for a few inexpensive bottles to try, or anything I should know? Or anything you recommend for a first bottle?

What is inexpensive? $20 or $50?

For beginners, depending on budget, I recommend (going down in price) Bakers, Mitchers, Eagle Rare, Woodford Reserve, Costco/Kirkland brand (although it appears to have changed, so I don't know how it will be), and Very Old Barton. That takes you from about $50 a bottle to $15 a bottle, and generally are pretty easy to drink. For a beginner, if you have the choice between higher and lower proof, go lower. Make sure it is on ice, and don't be afraid to cut it with water or mix it with anything (but the correct answer is Ginger Ale or an Old Fashioned).

Whiskey isn't for everyone. Same as anything. I enjoy it a lot. I hate tequila. Don't force it on yourself if you don't like it; if you need a mixer to like it, go for the mixer.

But am really not a fan of Makers myself--too sweet. Far too sweet. So my opinion may not be the best for you if you enjoyed Makers.

[dragoncar]

I like booze

[Chris22]

I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

All four of these posts have me salivating right now.

You know you're a functional alcoholic when...

I've been lookwarm on bourbons until this Friday. I went over to a friend's house with a few cigars that someone had given me. We smoke them on his porch while sipping Maker's Mark and wow did it really hit the spot.

Any recommendations for a few inexpensive bottles to try, or anything I should know? Or anything you recommend for a first bottle?

What is inexpensive? $20 or $50?

For beginners, depending on budget, I recommend (going down in price) Bakers, Mitchers, Eagle Rare, Woodford Reserve, Costco/Kirkland brand (although it appears to have changed, so I don't know how it will be), and Very Old Barton. That takes you from about $50 a bottle to $15 a bottle, and generally are pretty easy to drink. For a beginner, if you have the choice between higher and lower proof, go lower. Make sure it is on ice, and don't be afraid to cut it with water or mix it with anything (but the correct answer is Ginger Ale or an Old Fashioned).

Whiskey isn't for everyone. Same as anything. I enjoy it a lot. I hate tequila. Don't force it on yourself if you don't like it; if you need a mixer to like it, go for the mixer.

But am really not a fan of Makers myself--too sweet. Far too sweet. So my opinion may not be the best for you if you enjoyed Makers.

I think Makers is a gateway bourbon, it's what I drank until I decided I liked bourbon and now I'm not much of a Makers fan.  Knob Creek is my go-to mainstream bourbon in a bar/restaurant/etc.

[Proud Foot]

I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

All four of these posts have me salivating right now.

You know you're a functional alcoholic when...

I've been lookwarm on bourbons until this Friday. I went over to a friend's house with a few cigars that someone had given me. We smoke them on his porch while sipping Maker's Mark and wow did it really hit the spot.

Any recommendations for a few inexpensive bottles to try, or anything I should know? Or anything you recommend for a first bottle?

Great thing about bourbons is that you can buy great bottles for well under $50 all day long.

Try:
-Buffalo Trace
-Eagle Rare
-Knob Creek (and KC Single Barrel)
-Jim Beam Black (shockingly good for like $20)
-Maker's 46
-Four Roses
-Templton Rye is pretty good

And there are plenty more.

Don't forget about Wild Turkey.  Its about $20 for a bottle of the 101.

[MgoSam]

I hate tequila. Don't force it on yourself if you don't like it; if you need a mixer to like it, go for the mixer.

That's a good point, my entire life I would drink tequila with a mix or other things, never straight. That is until I tried a Guatemalan tequila that completely blew my mind. I'm somewhat tempted to buy a bottle, it's like $40.

[MgoSam]

I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

All four of these posts have me salivating right now.

You know you're a functional alcoholic when...

I've been lookwarm on bourbons until this Friday. I went over to a friend's house with a few cigars that someone had given me. We smoke them on his porch while sipping Maker's Mark and wow did it really hit the spot.

Any recommendations for a few inexpensive bottles to try, or anything I should know? Or anything you recommend for a first bottle?

Great thing about bourbons is that you can buy great bottles for well under $50 all day long.

Try:
-Buffalo Trace
-Eagle Rare
-Knob Creek (and KC Single Barrel)
-Jim Beam Black (shockingly good for like $20)
-Maker's 46
-Four Roses
-Templton Rye is pretty good

And there are plenty more.

Don't forget about Wild Turkey.  Its about $20 for a bottle of the 101.

Thanks for the advice, I would like to stay around $30 and under for the time being because I'm newish to bourbon and I fundamentally believe that as you upgrade the level of your poison your enjoyment doesn't change, it's just the cost and snobbish factor that does. I regret being a beer snob as it costs me more to get the same enjoyment as my warehouse manger gets off a Coors Light.

[MishMash]

MGO

Eagle rare...hands down, it's about 35 a bottle here, it's our go to, a great quality for the price for a beginner bottle.

In regards to Buffalo Trace vs Pappy.   WORLDS and WORLDS and WORLDS apart, you'd never know they were from the same place.  Pappy is hands down the best bourbon I've had in my life, both the 20 and the 23 year are great (and thanks to best friends hobby I've now had several hundred brands, I bring the food, he does a tasting party).  However it's next to impossible to get without paying the highly inflated online price of about 2k.  Seriously, our liquor store got robbed last year on Pappy delivery day, dude didn't take money, he stuck them up for their 2 bottles they were alloted.  Best friend got it in some back woods liquor store that had been stiffed on their initial allotment, he had to help unload an entire truck to get it at liquor store price. 

[nr]

I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

All four of these posts have me salivating right now.

You know you're a functional alcoholic when...

I've been lookwarm on bourbons until this Friday. I went over to a friend's house with a few cigars that someone had given me. We smoke them on his porch while sipping Maker's Mark and wow did it really hit the spot.

Any recommendations for a few inexpensive bottles to try, or anything I should know? Or anything you recommend for a first bottle?

Blanton's.  Not the cheapest but at around $55 a bottle it's not super high end.  And boy is it good!

Whistle Pig also makes a great rye.

[CmFtns]

Why the hell is everyone talking about bottles?

buy a handle of the stuff it's not like bourbon goes bad...

[mtn]

Why the hell is everyone talking about bottles?

buy a handle of the stuff it's not like bourbon goes bad...

1: The handle isn't always the best deal 
2: I like to experiment with a lot of it. I am not willing to buy a handle if I don't know if I'll like it
3: My favorite bottom shelf brand doesn't come in a handle, at least around me
4: I don't drink it that fast. I've moved with one particular handle 3 times now (College, landlord sold place, new job)
5: It is a pain to pour from some handles. This was a big issue for my grandpa in his old age; we'd buy him the little flask sized ones and pour from the handle into that.

[LivlongnProsper]

I have two.

First one was yesterday when several coworkers and I went out socially after work. We attended a AAA baseball game that was fun and relatively cheap. Afterwards we went to my bosses new house and had drinks. Not being a drinker I have very little knowledge of brands and types. Two coworkers were bragging about the smooth whiskey the boss provided costing $200 a bottle (they went through 2 while we were there). I almost gagged on my water.

The other one is someone who I commute with but works in another part of the organization. He is 63, no wife or kids. He has been renting the same place for 34 years currently for $600 a month. The owner recently sold and he received notice that his rent will be increased to $900 a month which for around here is still cheap. I know he makes pretty good money (~70k) but says he can't afford the increase. He has commented in the past that he doesn't save anything and buys what he wants. He is considering taking the new landlord to court on a technicality to delay the rent increase.

You'd die at my best friends whiskey collection (seriously it's up to a few hundred bottles), 200 is a fairly cheap high end bottle, some bottles are a grand or more.  Not my cup of tea, and this guy is pretty mustachian in other realms, but his yearly whiskey tour routinely puts a multi thousand dollar hit in his budget.  He scored a few bottles of Pappy last year, invited everyone over for some, it was good, I wouldn't pay the price for it though.

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

Not a fan of Buffalo Trace, which is why I haven't sought out pappy's.

I'm a big fan of Mitcher's, which reminds me a lot of Woodford Reserve, only slightly... better somehow. Maybe I should have my wife blind pour me some of both, they could be the same for all I know.

On the lower end from that I like Very Old Barton and Old Fitzgerald, both of which are difficult to find in Chicagoland, so I go towards the more anti-mustachian bourbons like the WR and Mitchers.

All four of these posts have me salivating right now.

You know you're a functional alcoholic when...

I've been lookwarm on bourbons until this Friday. I went over to a friend's house with a few cigars that someone had given me. We smoke them on his porch while sipping Maker's Mark and wow did it really hit the spot.

Any recommendations for a few inexpensive bottles to try, or anything I should know? Or anything you recommend for a first bottle?

Blanton's.  Not the cheapest but at around $55 a bottle it's not super high end.  And boy is it good!

Whistle Pig also makes a great rye.

Damn, I didn't mean to turn this thread over to the drunks. :)

[LivlongnProsper]

Man, I need a drink.

[dragoncar]

Why the hell is everyone talking about bottles?

buy a handle of the stuff it's not like bourbon goes bad...

1: The handle isn't always the best deal 
2: I like to experiment with a lot of it. I am not willing to buy a handle if I don't know if I'll like it
3: My favorite bottom shelf brand doesn't come in a handle, at least around me
4: I don't drink it that fast. I've moved with one particular handle 3 times now (College, landlord sold place, new job)
5: It is a pain to pour from some handles. This was a big issue for my grandpa in his old age; we'd buy him the little flask sized ones and pour from the handle into that.

[BTDretire]

Damn, I didn't mean to turn this thread over to the drunks. :)

  "Not that there's anything wrong with that."

[TomTX]

Buffalo Trace, made at the same distillery as Pappy, and costs $25/fifth.

Or Eagle Rare is the next step up for $35 if you're feeling spendy.  Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon hands down, regardless of price, but I'll admit my experience only extends to about $60-70/bottle, haven't had the really $$$ stuff.

I really enjoyed the Buffalo Trace rye, I got an >80% full bottle for free. Left over from an in-store tasting.

[mustachepungoeshere]

I like to be under blankets when I sleep, so I need to keep it a little cooler than ideal on the other levels to keep it comfy on the bedroom level.

FWIW, I also find it much easier to get to sleep when there's a heavy feeling blanket on top of me, but really didn't want to waste all that energy in the summer.  I got a cheap heavy rope net and spread it out over the sheets.  Under the sheet it feels like you're sleeping under a big comforter, but it traps almost no heat at all.

Genius!

[SoccerLounge]

I haven't overheard anything good at work this weekend, but I wanted to post just so there's another recent post that isn't about #%@!ing bourbon. ;)

[MgoSam]

I haven't overheard anything good at work this weekend, but I wanted to post just so there's another recent post that isn't about #%@!ing bourbon. ;)

You do realize that your post was about bourbon...