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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1350 on: November 04, 2019, 06:33:18 AM »
One of my clients is the owner/CEO of a marketing company with sales right around $500k/month.  He draws a conservative $120k a year for his salary.  I just found out the other day that he had been driving the oldest car of any of his employees and has gone the past 2 summers without air conditioning in that car.  Someone was finally able to convince him that he was being a little too frugal so he bought him self a low mileage civic.

I'm fine with being frugal, but I'm definitely going to have working air conditioning in my car.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1351 on: November 04, 2019, 09:34:57 AM »
Coworker emailed to ask for my health insurance options spreadsheet during open enrollment.

I, on the other hand, walk around forcing print outs of my health insurance options spreadsheet  on my co-workers during open enrollment. They looked at me oddly the first year, but several have benefited.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1352 on: November 04, 2019, 09:55:23 AM »
A few months ago I heard some office murmurings about a particular co-worker who works part-time. The water cooler gossip was that this man is really into FIRE-type principles, and that he's barely every in the office because he's usually off hiking or traveling to exotic locations. I was finally able to meet this guy, and after I mentioned that I'm into personal finance optimization, his response was "I need to send you my MATLAB routine that will perform a global optimization (possibly via genetic algorithms) to optimize your retirement savings strategy and tell you when you can FIRE". He had even factored in social security, with various assumptions about future administrations and political impacts. I think he used game theory as well to play out various scenarios. I just stood there in awe of his financial wizadry....and now I think I need to ask him to post his algorithms to github or something.
awesome! let us know of his github repo. would love to clone/fork and play with it.
doing it in matlab means he's way into this, writing routines and subroutines, etc.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1353 on: November 05, 2019, 05:53:06 AM »
Coworker emailed to ask for my health insurance options spreadsheet during open enrollment.

I, on the other hand, walk around forcing print outs of my health insurance options spreadsheet  on my co-workers during open enrollment. They looked at me oddly the first year, but several have benefited.
At a past employer, I had medical/dental/vision costs for each year and each option and single/married/family for 7 years bring tracked on a spreadsheet. along with deductibles, HSA, FSA, etc.
I used to share this with my team to track our premium and deductible increases. Someone from corporate on the other side of the country (California) called me and said this was illegal. I simply said "provide me where this is in Federal law as we work on Federal Property. Also, if your claim is right, you need to come to MyDODworkplace, identify the file, and delete it yourself. I hope you have the appropriate clearance to do this."
I told my boss, he told me never pick up the phone if corporate calls. Just ignore. Corp/HR can find me in the employee directory and call my supervisor (him) and he'll deflect it. He was an umbrella when it rained shit from above.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1354 on: November 05, 2019, 06:40:36 AM »
A few months ago I heard some office murmurings about a particular co-worker who works part-time. The water cooler gossip was that this man is really into FIRE-type principles, and that he's barely every in the office because he's usually off hiking or traveling to exotic locations. I was finally able to meet this guy, and after I mentioned that I'm into personal finance optimization, his response was "I need to send you my MATLAB routine that will perform a global optimization (possibly via genetic algorithms) to optimize your retirement savings strategy and tell you when you can FIRE". He had even factored in social security, with various assumptions about future administrations and political impacts. I think he used game theory as well to play out various scenarios. I just stood there in awe of his financial wizadry....and now I think I need to ask him to post his algorithms to github or something.
awesome! let us know of his github repo. would love to clone/fork and play with it.
doing it in matlab means he's way into this, writing routines and subroutines, etc.

color me impressed!

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1355 on: November 05, 2019, 09:08:24 AM »
Coworker emailed to ask for my health insurance options spreadsheet during open enrollment.

I, on the other hand, walk around forcing print outs of my health insurance options spreadsheet  on my co-workers during open enrollment. They looked at me oddly the first year, but several have benefited.
At a past employer, I had medical/dental/vision costs for each year and each option and single/married/family for 7 years bring tracked on a spreadsheet. along with deductibles, HSA, FSA, etc.
I used to share this with my team to track our premium and deductible increases. Someone from corporate on the other side of the country (California) called me and said this was illegal. I simply said "provide me where this is in Federal law as we work on Federal Property. Also, if your claim is right, you need to come to MyDODworkplace, identify the file, and delete it yourself. I hope you have the appropriate clearance to do this."
I told my boss, he told me never pick up the phone if corporate calls. Just ignore. Corp/HR can find me in the employee directory and call my supervisor (him) and he'll deflect it. He was an umbrella when it rained shit from above.
Illegal to speak about your very personal finances? Hard to believe.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1356 on: November 05, 2019, 09:54:54 AM »
Coworker emailed to ask for my health insurance options spreadsheet during open enrollment.

I, on the other hand, walk around forcing print outs of my health insurance options spreadsheet  on my co-workers during open enrollment. They looked at me oddly the first year, but several have benefited.
At a past employer, I had medical/dental/vision costs for each year and each option and single/married/family for 7 years bring tracked on a spreadsheet. along with deductibles, HSA, FSA, etc.
I used to share this with my team to track our premium and deductible increases. Someone from corporate on the other side of the country (California) called me and said this was illegal. I simply said "provide me where this is in Federal law as we work on Federal Property. Also, if your claim is right, you need to come to MyDODworkplace, identify the file, and delete it yourself. I hope you have the appropriate clearance to do this."
I told my boss, he told me never pick up the phone if corporate calls. Just ignore. Corp/HR can find me in the employee directory and call my supervisor (him) and he'll deflect it. He was an umbrella when it rained shit from above.
Illegal to speak about your very personal finances? Hard to believe.
if you haven't worked for a couple of Fortune 500's and dealt with their HR, you have lived a happier life.

Corp BS is endemic. Get these young college graduates, feed them some BS, and let them run amok.

A friend of mine had a sociology degree, joined HR for the Florida Division of one of America's largest landline/fiber/cellular providers; she couldn't believe the shit HR were telling her. She kept on asking how this or that rule was legal for enforcing, HR would simply tell her to comply or quit. Workplace harassment in the HR dept. Ironic.

A former contract manager overseeing 200+ people at a govt facility told us in an all-hands meeting that pay raises aren't supposed to be discussed. I asked if that statement was approved by the legal dept and passed under which statute or federal law, and does "supposed" mean if we do talk about pay at the bar over a few beers, would that be an issue? He said he'd get back to me (he never did), he knew who I was from our weekend group bike rides.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1357 on: November 05, 2019, 09:58:19 AM »
Coworker emailed to ask for my health insurance options spreadsheet during open enrollment.

I, on the other hand, walk around forcing print outs of my health insurance options spreadsheet  on my co-workers during open enrollment. They looked at me oddly the first year, but several have benefited.
At a past employer, I had medical/dental/vision costs for each year and each option and single/married/family for 7 years bring tracked on a spreadsheet. along with deductibles, HSA, FSA, etc.
I used to share this with my team to track our premium and deductible increases. Someone from corporate on the other side of the country (California) called me and said this was illegal. I simply said "provide me where this is in Federal law as we work on Federal Property. Also, if your claim is right, you need to come to MyDODworkplace, identify the file, and delete it yourself. I hope you have the appropriate clearance to do this."
I told my boss, he told me never pick up the phone if corporate calls. Just ignore. Corp/HR can find me in the employee directory and call my supervisor (him) and he'll deflect it. He was an umbrella when it rained shit from above.
Illegal to speak about your very personal finances? Hard to believe.
if you haven't worked for a couple of Fortune 500's and dealt with their HR, you have lived a happier life.

Corp BS is endemic. Get these young college graduates, feed them some BS, and let them run amok.

A friend of mine had a sociology degree, joined HR for the Florida Division of one of America's largest landline/fiber/cellular providers; she couldn't believe the shit HR were telling her. She kept on asking how this or that rule was legal for enforcing, HR would simply tell her to comply or quit. Workplace harassment in the HR dept. Ironic.

A former contract manager overseeing 200+ people at a govt facility told us in an all-hands meeting that pay raises aren't supposed to be discussed. I asked if that statement was approved by the legal dept and passed under which statute or federal law, and does "supposed" mean if we do talk about pay at the bar over a few beers, would that be an issue? He said he'd get back to me (he never did), he knew who I was from our weekend group bike rides.

location, location, location.  Last year it was HR who benefited from those printouts I mentioned up thread.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1358 on: November 06, 2019, 05:25:22 AM »
Our internal accounting lady sent out instructions on how to check 401k contributions for the year, calculate how much to withhold in remaining paychecks to be able to max out for the year. Apparently some 15-20% of the 70 employees are contributing the annual max, and others putting in close to max.

When we changed our 401k provider to Guideline from AmFundz earlier this year, we made it a policy that every new employee is auto-enrolled in the 401k from Day1, and minimum 3% contribution, with auto 1% increase every calendar year.

Thanks to member posts on MMMForums, I was able to recommend Guideline as one of the alternatives (others were Employee Fiduciary and Betterment4Biz).

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1359 on: November 06, 2019, 12:27:07 PM »
I had a nice talk with a lady here today about our retirement plan.  She might be the only person I work with who is as big of a numbers geek as I am when it comes to the retirement plan.  I don't get the feeling that she's totally on board with the MMM thing, but she's definitely contributing more than anyone else around me seems to be.

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« Reply #1360 on: November 06, 2019, 12:49:58 PM »
I decided to look up public info on company 401ks.  I know my spouse's company has a good one, and I felt like ours wasn't.

I was right.

But, even worse, I looked at the plan total.  We have over 70 employees.  I alone have >10% of the total value in the company 401k.  Geez.

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« Reply #1361 on: November 06, 2019, 01:18:32 PM »
I decided to look up public info on company 401ks.  I know my spouse's company has a good one, and I felt like ours wasn't.

I was right.

But, even worse, I looked at the plan total.  We have over 70 employees.  I alone have >10% of the total value in the company 401k.  Geez.

What an interesting metric. I'm going to see if I can figure out my ratio.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1362 on: November 07, 2019, 12:41:12 AM »
I decided to look up public info on company 401ks.  I know my spouse's company has a good one, and I felt like ours wasn't.

I was right.

But, even worse, I looked at the plan total.  We have over 70 employees.  I alone have >10% of the total value in the company 401k.  Geez.


How did you find the public info?

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1363 on: November 07, 2019, 03:53:37 AM »
I decided to look up public info on company 401ks.  I know my spouse's company has a good one, and I felt like ours wasn't.

I was right.

But, even worse, I looked at the plan total.  We have over 70 employees.  I alone have >10% of the total value in the company 401k.  Geez.

Haha, shocking to find out so few people follow the good example. Ever considered printing that statistic out and hanging it up beside the coffee machine?

I sponsor a local club on a yearly basis, because they prepare ski trails around our cabin. Once on a yearly meeting in that village, they told us publicly which amount they had received that year. I had paid 25% of that amount. And I hadn't paid extremely much, but most of the others had obviously not paid at all or very little.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1364 on: November 07, 2019, 06:10:43 AM »
I decided to look up public info on company 401ks.  I know my spouse's company has a good one, and I felt like ours wasn't.

I was right.

But, even worse, I looked at the plan total.  We have over 70 employees.  I alone have >10% of the total value in the company 401k.  Geez.


How did you find the public info?

Same question - the best I can find is the public information for the mutual fund itself. The one I invest in through work has net assets over $100 billion, so I would love to have 10% of that.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1365 on: November 07, 2019, 08:25:33 AM »
Often, the total plan value is (relatively) easily accessible, or even published and mailed to each participant.  If you know the value of your own account, it's easy to see what % your own. :)

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1366 on: November 07, 2019, 11:15:44 AM »
You can also search the 5500 filing for any plan on the DOL/Efast website - https://www.efast.dol.gov

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1367 on: November 07, 2019, 06:52:29 PM »
You can also search the 5500 filing for any plan on the DOL/Efast website - https://www.efast.dol.gov


Poo, can't find any of mine - all governmental plans.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1368 on: November 08, 2019, 02:23:13 PM »
If you want to nerd out on 401(k) filings, see Brightscope's site. They scrape all the Form 5500 data and then assigns ratings based on how they compare to the ones offered by other peer employers in the same industries. It may come in handy for someone comparing multiple job offers.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1369 on: November 13, 2019, 02:55:31 PM »
At work they're really big on out 457. During orientation they were like "if you ignore everything else today and only learn one thing, open a 457 right now" and they handed out the paperwork.

During training, a lot of the people who have been with the government for decades, will generally start out with "just some advise, invest in your 457".

One guy today who has been with the government agency I work for said "I wish I'd put more into my 457" and suggested putting in a percentage so all pay raises and overtimes, etc. is a straight percentage.

I really like the insistence on savings.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1370 on: November 14, 2019, 06:34:11 AM »
Found out that one coworker is saving around 50% of her take home pay. Three coworkers asked me for FIRE resources. Another one has multiple rental properties generating income. One is set to retire at 50 with over $5 million in investments. Iím going to have to start an employee club/meet up at work. I thought I was doing well, but Iím apparently just middle of the pack here.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1371 on: November 15, 2019, 08:04:04 AM »
CW who works out of town who wears old clothes, drives old car, said he and his wife are retiring in a few years. I said I was happy for him and he said he should just do it now. He slipped his wife makes 7 figures. Not 6, 7. Hardest working dude here. Crazy.

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« Reply #1372 on: November 15, 2019, 10:27:14 AM »
CW who works out of town who wears old clothes, drives old car, said he and his wife are retiring in a few years. I said I was happy for him and he said he should just do it now. He slipped his wife makes 7 figures. Not 6, 7. Hardest working dude here. Crazy.
Wow, and I thought I married well!

I did marry well. :)

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1373 on: November 15, 2019, 01:14:37 PM »
CW who works out of town who wears old clothes, drives old car, said he and his wife are retiring in a few years. I said I was happy for him and he said he should just do it now. He slipped his wife makes 7 figures. Not 6, 7. Hardest working dude here. Crazy.

The former head of our department who stepped down a couple years ago and now "just" works both as a MD and a principal investigator (very productive and successful), I heard through the grapevine has a wife with a profession (possibly a business) of her own who makes many times what he makes. Maybe that's why he seems so cheerful all the time?




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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1374 on: November 18, 2019, 09:10:58 PM »
One of my coworkers and I got into a discussion about food prices today.  He lives in downtown Bellevue, WA and works pretty nearby.  He and his wife spend $40 a week on groceries.  "Well, we're vegan."  Good on them!

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« Reply #1375 on: November 21, 2019, 09:58:16 PM »
Thanks for posting this site!  I FIRE'd 3 years ago but still have a significant portion of my portfolio in my old company's 401k.  I left it there because I thought the options and fees were pretty good.  Old Company's plan rates around 83 and the biggest ding was participation rate.  Plan options and fees were top ratings.  Glad to have my gut feeling confirmed!

I figure I can always move money out of that 401k but I can never add it again.

If you want to nerd out on 401(k) filings, see Brightscope's site. They scrape all the Form 5500 data and then assigns ratings based on how they compare to the ones offered by other peer employers in the same industries. It may come in handy for someone comparing multiple job offers.

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« Reply #1376 on: November 22, 2019, 12:13:36 AM »
I have a new youngish coworker who moved over long distance to work with us. He just bought himself his first apartment that he now had to fill up. I suggested our version of Graig's list. He still had some furniture in his old place though. I suggested that it might be expensive to transport cheap furniture here. But a friend was going over there and will take his stuff back. My coworker had already sold all his big stuff, like bed and TV, so that they don't need to be transported. It sounded promising that he is thinking smartly and was interested in being stuff second hand and a little Ikea.
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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1377 on: November 22, 2019, 07:42:21 AM »
It's autumn and the nut-trees are dropping their nuts. My boss brought in a large bag of walnuts, for us to share and take home; a colleague brought in 2 bags of hazelnuts for same.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1378 on: November 22, 2019, 07:59:08 AM »
Thanks for posting this site! 

If you want to nerd out on 401(k) filings, see Brightscope's site. They scrape all the Form 5500 data and then assigns ratings based on how they compare to the ones offered by other peer employers in the same industries. It may come in handy for someone comparing multiple job offers.

My thanks as well.  I had no idea something like this existed.

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« Reply #1379 on: November 22, 2019, 10:49:28 AM »
One of my coworkers and I got into a discussion about food prices today.  He lives in downtown Bellevue, WA and works pretty nearby.  He and his wife spend $40 a week on groceries.  "Well, we're vegan."  Good on them!

Good heavens. I'd have thought a bag of rice and a bag of apples costs $40 in Bellevue. Quite impressive. I forgot my lunch yesterday and got some tofu and noodles at a take out place and it was $15.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1380 on: November 22, 2019, 12:24:37 PM »
It's autumn and the nut-trees are dropping their nuts. My boss brought in a large bag of walnuts, for us to share and take home; a colleague brought in 2 bags of hazelnuts for same.

where do you live?

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1381 on: November 22, 2019, 01:47:35 PM »
In October, someone brought weekly a box full of starfruit. It'd be empty by end of day. Didn't know my fellow Floridians like to eat it. That person grows good starfruit. Great there's no waste.
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« Reply #1382 on: November 23, 2019, 07:33:55 AM »
In October, someone brought weekly a box full of starfruit. It'd be empty by end of day. Didn't know my fellow Floridians like to eat it. That person grows good starfruit. Great there's no waste.

Fresh starfruit is fabulous. Unfortunately once I had some, I can no longer tolerate the grocery-store starfruit here in Texas.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1383 on: November 23, 2019, 09:37:58 PM »
It's autumn and the nut-trees are dropping their nuts. My boss brought in a large bag of walnuts, for us to share and take home; a colleague brought in 2 bags of hazelnuts for same.

where do you live?
Autumn? Northern hemisphere.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1384 on: November 25, 2019, 03:55:27 AM »
North-Western Europe. Lovely sunny autumn this year; I've been cycling to work every day.

I work 4days/wk, 9km commute 1-way, electric bicycle where I only use the motor on 1 steep climb. My boss lives in my village and also makes the commute by electric bicycle unless she has to travel somewhere during the day. One of my colleagues commutes by train; the other will also come by electric bicycle as soon as his wife has given birth and he no longer has to be able to get home quickly-quickly.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1385 on: November 25, 2019, 10:31:05 AM »
It's autumn and the nut-trees are dropping their nuts. My boss brought in a large bag of walnuts, for us to share and take home; a colleague brought in 2 bags of hazelnuts for same.

where do you live?
Autumn? Northern hemisphere.

The house we rented when we first moved down to NC had a (thin shell) pecan tree in the side yard. Some years almost no nuts, some years enough to share the bounty. I now live where there are no nut trees : (It makes me want to try to grow nut trees, but if I did I'd have to have a dog in the yard to keep the squirrels away (the squirrels are crazy rapacious).

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« Reply #1386 on: November 25, 2019, 10:38:12 AM »
It's autumn and the nut-trees are dropping their nuts. My boss brought in a large bag of walnuts, for us to share and take home; a colleague brought in 2 bags of hazelnuts for same.

where do you live?
Autumn? Northern hemisphere.

The house we rented when we first moved down to NC had a (thin shell) pecan tree in the side yard. Some years almost no nuts, some years enough to share the bounty. I now live where there are no nut trees : (It makes me want to try to grow nut trees, but if I did I'd have to have a dog in the yard to keep the squirrels away (the squirrels are crazy rapacious).
Haha, so are ours. When my Stepdaughter was visiting from Colorado, she was amazed at how big and fat they are. And my stupid dogs bark at them constantly, which is yet another reason to hate all of them. Bah humbug!

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1387 on: November 25, 2019, 10:53:31 AM »
It's autumn and the nut-trees are dropping their nuts. My boss brought in a large bag of walnuts, for us to share and take home; a colleague brought in 2 bags of hazelnuts for same.

where do you live?
Autumn? Northern hemisphere.

The house we rented when we first moved down to NC had a (thin shell) pecan tree in the side yard. Some years almost no nuts, some years enough to share the bounty. I now live where there are no nut trees : (It makes me want to try to grow nut trees, but if I did I'd have to have a dog in the yard to keep the squirrels away (the squirrels are crazy rapacious).

I grew up surrounded by pecan trees. They were so annoying. Last week, I bought some pecans to make a pecan pie, and I regret not collecting and selling those pecans all that time, because dang they're expensive.

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1388 on: December 04, 2019, 12:46:53 PM »
One of the security guards, a man in his late fifties, I guess:

When I repair my own car and it goes well, I feel as if I have won the lottery!

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Re: Overheard at Work: The Anti-Antimustachian Edition
« Reply #1389 on: December 04, 2019, 01:05:19 PM »
One of my coworkers and I got into a discussion about food prices today.  He lives in downtown Bellevue, WA and works pretty nearby.  He and his wife spend $40 a week on groceries.  "Well, we're vegan."  Good on them!

You can eat vegan cheap or expensively, and it's easy to spend expensively, so good for them!