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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4000 on: May 16, 2024, 09:13:15 AM »
Oh my, that is an awful state she put herself into. Ouch, just ouch.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4001 on: May 16, 2024, 10:25:49 AM »
Oh my, that is an awful state she put herself into. Ouch, just ouch.

People do stupid, self-destructive things due to love. Invariably they think they're making an investment in the relationship long-term, possibly by throwing themselves into the breach to make a sacrifice or take a risk for long-term stability, security, or mutual gain.

What's really happening is that self-destructiveness is sticky, like a jumping cholla cactus. If you get close, even if you don't initiate contact with the drama, it will leap across the gap and attach itself to you with spikes that embed in your flesh and often prevent removal. You can't get too close to a self-destructive person without being affected by his or her bad decision making. But you're the one who's going to end up bleeding. It's like a person with an addiction: you can cross paths with that person, you can be polite, you can maybe even treat that person to a meal. But you can't share living quarters or a bank account. There's a level of closeness that guarantees you get sucked in and left with a long-term burden.

People always think that self-destructive partners are going to change. They mostly don't. Mostly they just oink down, consume, or destroy the best of what you have to offer, and once you're nothing but an empty shell, they move on. Full of complaints about how demanding, controlling, grumpy, or unreasonable you are. Depleted people do tend to ask for what they need and for problem behavior to stop, and they tend to be frustrated. They also tend to continue to react to bad things that are still affecting them, long after the happy-go-lucky goofball who caused the problem has moved on.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4002 on: May 16, 2024, 12:10:32 PM »
That's a classic case of an STD, as in Sexually Transmitted Debt.

This is a new one for me. And...I love it!

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4003 on: May 16, 2024, 03:55:30 PM »
That's a classic case of an STD, as in Sexually Transmitted Debt.

This is a new one for me. And...I love it!

Uh, new affliction, or new term?

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4004 on: May 19, 2024, 11:31:07 AM »
That's a classic case of an STD, as in Sexually Transmitted Debt.

This is a new one for me. And...I love it!

Uh, new affliction, or new term?

Fair question. New term. Hopefully my careful planning and prophylactics will help me avoid it as an affliction

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4005 on: May 20, 2024, 08:15:14 AM »
Wow, TheGrimSqueaker, did you ever nail it. If I'm ever having doubts about how to treat someone, I need to re-read your posts. I'm afraid they're coming from your hard-earned experience, but at least we can use that to avoid further hard-earned experiences.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4006 on: May 20, 2024, 09:56:32 AM »
A few new coworkers this season, two of them drive small cars and I havenít heard either of them complain about money problems.  Two of them drive full size trucks, and both of them have complained about money problems.  Probably a complete coincidence, right?

Correlation is not causation. It could be the guys with the small cars have inherited big while the others have to pay high cost care for relatives.

I think there could be more of a direct link than that.  Do the two truck guys have a real reason for owning the truck?  Work crew hauling stuff?  Rural home in a mountainous area, or with severe winter?  Or is it to haul their boat to their vacation cabin?  Maybe even worse, it is just their daily driver...

Both are using the trucks as daily drivers, they drive company vehicles once they get to work (not rural, hwy and city driving in this area).  Of the two car people one of them is a younger person in their early 20s, and one nearing retirement age, and of the truck people, one is a 30-something, and one is nearing retirement age.

Yeah, I had a coworker several years ago spend more on her souped-up truck than I did on my house. In fairness, I purchased the home during the recession, but even still... this is a $45,000+ vehicle that serves no purpose but to drive on well-paved roads.  I'd forgotten about this story over the last 5 years but I'm positive she still remembers every month when she pays back part of that loan. 

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4007 on: May 20, 2024, 10:02:47 AM »
(Yes, I hear everyone saying, "but what if they need to tow a camper? a truck makes more sense than two vehicles."  But that takes me right back to priorities:  if you are constantly short on money, you can't afford a camper that requires a big truck to tow it.)

You're describing a case in which the truck is part of a bigger Diderot unity. That's a very common thing. Spending on one thing begets spending on another thing. I know a debt-slave family with two breadwinners and minor children who have every toy known to man, and they "need" a truck to transport it all. They struggle financially, according to the wife, and have a great deal of debt. They're a great family, I love the kids, but I marvel at their landfill-magnet ways. Were they to suddenly switch to the small-used-car lifestyle, they'd have no way to enjoy some of their other luxuries that they're probably still paying for. I can see how that would put a person in a rut.

The solution, I think, is to work everything out early on when considering a major expenditure like a camper. It's more than how a person can make the payments: there's also maintenance, storage, repair, and schlepping it around.

So true.  The next step is the indefinite use of a storage unit.

Carlin [uncensored] knew all about the obsession with stuff: https://youtu.be/MvgN5gCuLac?si=hPzivQzovmk4xXSt

Many people on my street (next-door neighbors included) have massive campers mobile storage units taking up their whole driveways. My neighbor's has been like this for going on 6+ years. With so little room left, he often has to park his Cadillac Escalade truck on the street. Just checked, and yeah... it's sitting on the street right now.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4008 on: May 21, 2024, 08:23:22 AM »
A few new coworkers this season, two of them drive small cars and I havenít heard either of them complain about money problems.  Two of them drive full size trucks, and both of them have complained about money problems.  Probably a complete coincidence, right?

One of the truck driving employees was replaced a few weeks ago by a new employee that drives a jacked up 4 door Jeep Wrangler, constant ďemergenciesĒ and money problems are even more prevalent. 

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4009 on: May 21, 2024, 10:01:31 AM »
A few new coworkers this season, two of them drive small cars and I havenít heard either of them complain about money problems.  Two of them drive full size trucks, and both of them have complained about money problems.  Probably a complete coincidence, right?

One of the truck driving employees was replaced a few weeks ago by a new employee that drives a jacked up 4 door Jeep Wrangler, constant ďemergenciesĒ and money problems are even more prevalent.
People who drive a big truck should not be allowed to work at banks, casinos or similar, because they have proven they don't know how to handle money and that they are vulnerable to blackmailing or at least easy to influence to do very stupid things.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4010 on: May 21, 2024, 07:03:38 PM »
People who drive a big truck should not be allowed to work at banks, casinos or similar, because they have proven they don't know how to handle money and that they are vulnerable to blackmailing or at least easy to influence to do very stupid things.

When evaluating the risk that a person presents when considering granting a security clearance, two categories of risk are the primary ones considered.   

1) Is there something in their lifestyle that would make it easy to blackmail them? 

This includes relatives/significant others who are from or in hostile countries.  Or, anything they do that they would not want others to know.

2) Do they have money issues?

From my observations, your "drive a big truck they don't need" rule would disqualify 50+% of the defense industry, possibly as high as 80% of the males in it.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4011 on: May 22, 2024, 09:43:41 AM »
People who drive a big truck should not be allowed to work at banks, casinos or similar, because they have proven they don't know how to handle money and that they are vulnerable to blackmailing or at least easy to influence to do very stupid things.

When evaluating the risk that a person presents when considering granting a security clearance, two categories of risk are the primary ones considered.   

1) Is there something in their lifestyle that would make it easy to blackmail them? 

This includes relatives/significant others who are from or in hostile countries.  Or, anything they do that they would not want others to know.

2) Do they have money issues?

From my observations, your "drive a big truck they don't need" rule would disqualify 50+% of the defense industry, possibly as high as 80% of the males in it.

Yeah, the truck driving alone doesnít get you to security threat level, but high debt and money issues plus a lifestyle that includes stuff like owning a big truck you donít need certainly should make places like that pay attention to that person.  On the other hand I know a few people that drive trucks they donít need but are well off, donít have debt and are retired = they donít commute to a job in said truck they donít need.  The people who jump in with us for manual labour jobs and drive big trucks seem to fall squarely into the first category though. 

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4012 on: May 28, 2024, 08:23:55 AM »
I can't claim to have coined the phrase "Sexually Transmitted Debt".

It's fairly common in Australia and NZ. I think M. Bailey might have been the first one to use the phrase back in 1996. In different countries, different social issues are in the mainstream. How to avoid getting saddled with a spendthrift partner's debt has been mainstream there for decades. Of course, the legal and economic conditions that make it possible to *be* loaded up that way without one's own knowledge or consent will vary from place to place.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4013 on: June 03, 2024, 11:17:10 AM »
On the (kinda) other hand, we were driving -- and camping in -- a 73 blazer when we had our first kid in 2001, and pretty much immediately went out and purchased a new (!) Eurovan (for cash). We haven't made that many trips per year, but that thing has definitely been worth it: first car camping with one (then two) small kids, camping trips out to the Utah desert, it's been a great vehicle for longer drives: it's easy to pull over, even in bad weather, pop up the top and the table and sit down for a real lunch. Not to mention how awesome it is to pull into a smaller ski area early, park near the front, go ski for a couple of hours, (we can put on our boots in the vehicle!) then go back to the car, pop up the top and table and stretch out for a packed lunch, then go back to skiing.

Now the problem is that the thing is 23 years old, the transmission is starting to go (along with all the soft parts of the engine and gaskets) and we can't replace it with anything that even vaguely meets our requirements: doesn't get WORSE mileage, has a pop top that we can stand up in, is comfy for sleeping.

If i ever did this kind of traveling this is the kind of vehicle I'd want (eurovan) something both other other person AND me would be able to drive, back up in, etc. Might mean need to find places with bathrooms etc but overall a van can sleep in is awesome!
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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4014 on: June 10, 2024, 03:23:01 PM »
I overheard some coworkers talking about Great Wolf Resorts. Apparently, they're indoor water parks. One person casually said that it would be about $3,000 - $4,000 for a family of 4-5 to visit for a week or so. Not to mention the cost of traveling 500 - 1,500 miles to one of these resorts. One coworker remarked he had been to three different locations so far.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4015 on: June 10, 2024, 04:02:42 PM »
If you live near a Great Wolf Lodge, which my parents do, it's reasonably cost-effective to take your family for a day trip. Not cheap, but not terrible, maybe $50 per kid. Staying in the onsite hotel for multiple days is what really kills you.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4016 on: June 10, 2024, 04:12:31 PM »
We live near one, Iíve never been, but conversation among park workers moms is that the first trip is the most expensive, after that you are on the discount/coupon list. And Iíve heard recent comments about buying Groupons for it. So, some folks might be hacking it relatively affordably.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4017 on: June 10, 2024, 08:12:28 PM »
If you live near a Great Wolf Lodge, which my parents do, it's reasonably cost-effective to take your family for a day trip. Not cheap, but not terrible, maybe $50 per kid. Staying in the onsite hotel for multiple days is what really kills you.

We vacation near the same type of place (like a Great Wolf but different name).  It's crazy expensive to stay at the lodge with water park admission, plus food because it's pretty isolated.  But we bought day passes on a rainy day and it was fun but not terribly expensive.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4018 on: June 10, 2024, 09:18:23 PM »
I actually stayed at a Great Wolf Lodge for work, over a holiday week in a resort it was actually the cheapest option and they gave us a good corporate rate, water park not included.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4019 on: June 11, 2024, 05:33:43 AM »
Our last trip to GWL wasn't bad.  The kids entertained themselves.  The adults watched football and napped.  I can't imagine staying for a full week though.  We were there two nights and the kids were bored by the end that last day even with the highest-tier add-on package for all the non-water-park stuff.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4020 on: June 11, 2024, 01:34:00 PM »
We've been to a GWL once. It was in the aftermath of the pandemic; the trip was by way of a thank you to the teenagers for having cheerfully endured tighter Covid restrictions than their friends (because my asthmatic elderly father lives with us). Because the resort was trying to entice people to return to vacationing, we got some pretty good discounts. I think the trip cost about $1000 altogether, including all meals and three days of waterpark for five people.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4021 on: June 12, 2024, 07:05:23 AM »
We did GWL once when DD's daycare had a discount code. It was at least 16 years ago.

Never ever again.

While standing in line to get the key to our room, the Dad-dude behind me let out a loud coyote howl when he saw other members of his party enter the lobby. It made my ears hurt. It was a sign we should have gotten back in the car to go home. DH and I got no sleep due to hotel hallway noise. And the noise all day everywhere in the complex was ear damaging levels. Our sensitive kids were borderline overwhelmed the whole time. We are not GWL material.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4022 on: June 12, 2024, 07:06:57 AM »
We did GWL once when DD's daycare had a discount code. It was at least 16 years ago.

Never ever again.

While standing in line to get the key to our room, the Dad-dude behind me let out a loud coyote howl when he saw other members of his party enter the lobby. It made my ears hurt. It was a sign we should have gotten back in the car to go home. DH and I got no sleep due to hotel hallway noise. And the noise all day everywhere in the complex was ear damaging levels. Our sensitive kids were borderline overwhelmed the whole time. We are not GWL material.
WOW. Sounds very American ;)

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4023 on: June 12, 2024, 01:29:25 PM »
Someone at work today said, "Happy early Friday-eve" (better known as Wednesday)

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4024 on: June 12, 2024, 02:49:35 PM »
Someone at work today said, "Happy early Friday-eve" (better known as Wednesday)

LOL!

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4025 on: June 12, 2024, 03:20:51 PM »
We did GWL once when DD's daycare had a discount code. It was at least 16 years ago.

Never ever again.

While standing in line to get the key to our room, the Dad-dude behind me let out a loud coyote howl when he saw other members of his party enter the lobby. It made my ears hurt. It was a sign we should have gotten back in the car to go home. DH and I got no sleep due to hotel hallway noise. And the noise all day everywhere in the complex was ear damaging levels. Our sensitive kids were borderline overwhelmed the whole time. We are not GWL material.

I had never heard about it before hearing my coworker's conversation the other day. I agree it sounds like the exact opposite of what I want out of a vacation.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4026 on: June 12, 2024, 06:03:54 PM »
We've been to GWL twice - typically mid-week or weekend on a non-holiday.  It wasn't terribly expensive, but we only stayed for 2 nights.  Once was spring break.  The other was ??  I don't remember.  A week seems excessive.

I actually LOVE water slides, so I think I enjoyed the water park more than the kids.  The kids really liked the treasure hunt thing.  We never ate at the hotel restaurant - too expensive.  Rooms have mini fridge for breakfast.

How packed it is depends on when you go - if prices are expensive (you can look at a calendar), it's going to be packed.  So we don't go.  My kids are mostly aged out now, but I still want to go to places with water slides...

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4027 on: June 13, 2024, 09:59:15 AM »
We've been to GWL twice - typically mid-week or weekend on a non-holiday.  It wasn't terribly expensive, but we only stayed for 2 nights.  Once was spring break.  The other was ??  I don't remember.  A week seems excessive.

I actually LOVE water slides, so I think I enjoyed the water park more than the kids.  The kids really liked the treasure hunt thing.  We never ate at the hotel restaurant - too expensive.  Rooms have mini fridge for breakfast.

How packed it is depends on when you go - if prices are expensive (you can look at a calendar), it's going to be packed.  So we don't go.  My kids are mostly aged out now, but I still want to go to places with water slides...

It's ok to go. You can always pretend that the kids are around somewhere/with another adult.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #4028 on: June 13, 2024, 10:16:52 AM »
I actually stayed at a Great Wolf Lodge for work, over a holiday week in a resort it was actually the cheapest option and they gave us a good corporate rate, water park not included.
. Same. I've never taken my kids there but when traveling in fall with my (adult) family members it was a nice centrally located place to stay (overnight stay on route to final destination). Eta the park WAS included but by time checked in to time checked out, was not able to use park.
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