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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #3050 on: April 30, 2021, 10:05:02 AM »
"I don't want to continue this debate about covid in a thread that has nothing to do with covid, but I'm going to do it anyway, because I have to have the last word."

Y'all just let it go.

Iím just letting people know I wonít respond here further on that topic - in fact Dee_ has had the last public word and Iím happy to listen and respond to all opinions through PM.  Thus, Iím not stopping the conversation, just suggesting we move it elsewhere because there was already a complaint about off topic discussion.  Seems only polite to me, and I suggest this is how all such off topic issues are handled here.

I didnít originally realize what thread this was when I responded to the first post about Covid
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« Reply #3051 on: May 01, 2021, 01:16:00 AM »
No kidding, blech.  We have been eating out once/ week because of COVID (getting takeout)

I donít follow this logic.  What about Covid makes you eat out more often?

Iíve eaten out far less during Covid because itís such a pain in the ass to disinfect (I reheat everything to 165).  I am aware that thereís ďno evidenceĒ for food borne Covid spread, but I also donít know what studies have been done to prove/disprove the hypothesis.  Whenever I see that thereís ďno evidenceĒ for something I ask what evidence might be Availabe.  For example, has someone innoculated food with Covid and fed it to 100 monkeys?  No.  Has someone done intense contact tracing of an unmasked symptomatic line cook to see if any of their customers has contracted Covid?  Maybe?  I havenít seen that study.  Iím willing to accept that itís an unlikely avenue for transmission but also know that restaurant back of house is and has always been filthy so I donít really trust those guys to take any precautions unless Iíve personally visited the kitchen

You know what the funny thing is? My immune system is compromised. I get sick all the time. Everything makes me sick, going to parties, meeting kids, going to work, taking public transit, visiting dinner parties.

I know what restaurant kitchens often look like. But the one place where I've never contracted food poisoning is a restaurant, take-out or dine-in. I've given myself food poisoning, other people have given me food poisoning with their home-cooking, but somehow I've either been lucky or restaurant chefs are more aware of hygiene than people would think.

I have no idea about how Covid is contracted so I'm definitely not going to discuss that. I don't reheat my restaurant food but if you feel that's something you need to do, please do it. Better safe than sorry.

I share your concern about gastro-intestinal Covid. A family member stared having gastro symptoms in late Feb/early March 2020 and turned out to have Covid. It wasn't until 10 days later when they were hospitalised that they found out about the Covid (because of a routine test) because they were only having classic stomach bug symptoms and not lung symptoms. By then my family member already had symptomless severe pneumonia in both lungs. Coughing only started another week later right before death. Another family member that helped washing sheets and clothing when my sick relative had accidents got very sick with Covid too. It's impossible to prove how they got infected but my sick family member was not coughing at that point.

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« Reply #3052 on: May 02, 2021, 01:31:05 AM »

I know what restaurant kitchens often look like. But the one place where I've never contracted food poisoning is a restaurant, take-out or dine-in.

Guess you've never eaten the chili at wendys (literally gave me food poisoning thrice before I stopped going there -- the final time I was admitted to the hospital for fluids.  I was young and stupid and would eat wendy's on the way home from WORK)  Never given myself food poisoning and I'm usually a "leave it out on the counter all day" kinda guy.  I tend to overcook my food though, so don't ask me to make you a medium rare hamburder without signing a waiver

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« Reply #3053 on: May 02, 2021, 04:33:37 AM »

I know what restaurant kitchens often look like. But the one place where I've never contracted food poisoning is a restaurant, take-out or dine-in.

Guess you've never eaten the chili at wendys (literally gave me food poisoning thrice before I stopped going there -- the final time I was admitted to the hospital for fluids.  I was young and stupid and would eat wendy's on the way home from WORK)  Never given myself food poisoning and I'm usually a "leave it out on the counter all day" kinda guy.  I tend to overcook my food though, so don't ask me to make you a medium rare hamburder without signing a waiver

We don't have Wendy's in my country, so maybe that's why! And I'm careful with the type of food I order.  I'm not a big meat eater but I'd maybe order a medium rare steak at a fancy restaurant, but when I'm at an outdoors music festival I'll stick to the French fries and use a hand sanitizer before I eat and after I've touched basically anything. Funny, when I'm abroad and I'm not sure what I can eat and what I can't, I tend to stick to American restaurant chains like Subway and the big yellow M. They have pretty strict hygiene standards and their standards are the same around the world, and both have open kitchens so you can see what's going on. Apparantly Wendy's isn't like that?

The story why we don't have Wendy's in the EU is actually an epic FU money kind of story: https://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation/wendys-locations-europe-netherlands-goes-restaurant  The guy could have accepted a ton of cash but he decided he'd rather have his restaurant.

I remember being in a small town in a central European country on a summer day and the temperature was over 40C. I wanted to grab lunch but properly stored food was nowhere to be found - I'm not going to eat a pre-prepared sandwich from an uncooled display at a bakery with an indoors temperature of over 30C. I don't think I've ever been happier to see a big yellow M in the distance. I'd much rather eat at the local bakery but I'm not going to risk it under these circumstances.  I've only ended up in hospital with food poisoning once (salmonella) and fortunately I didn't cook that dinner! But I think I gave myself food poisoning twice before I figured out my freezer wasn't working properly anymore.

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« Reply #3054 on: May 02, 2021, 05:38:28 PM »
The story why we don't have Wendy's in the EU is actually an epic FU money kind of story: https://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation/wendys-locations-europe-netherlands-goes-restaurant  The guy could have accepted a ton of cash but he decided he'd rather have his restaurant.

That's interesting! I remember going to Wendy's in Cork, Ireland. It was the first fast food restaurant I'd even been to, so it must have been the mid-'70s. I remember McDonald's opening in Dublin in May 1977, and the lines were out the door for months. Wendy's had been around for a while at that point, but the Cork city location was the only one, as far as I know.


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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #3055 on: May 04, 2021, 03:52:24 AM »
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Funny, when I'm abroad and I'm not sure what I can eat and what I can't, I tend to stick to American restaurant chains like Subway and the big yellow M.

FWIW I got the worst ever food poisoning from Subway. Had to go to a after hours doc, was folded over in pain. I was on the verge of calling an ambulance to get to ER. Never ever am I having subway meatballs again. The fuckers must have been sitting in the warmer all week festering. Perfect temperature for bacteria to grow.

Sorry to hear you're missing out on awesome international cuisine.
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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #3056 on: May 04, 2021, 06:17:53 AM »
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Funny, when I'm abroad and I'm not sure what I can eat and what I can't, I tend to stick to American restaurant chains like Subway and the big yellow M.

FWIW I got the worst ever food poisoning from Subway. Had to go to a after hours doc, was folded over in pain. I was on the verge of calling an ambulance to get to ER. Never ever am I having subway meatballs again. The fuckers must have been sitting in the warmer all week festering. Perfect temperature for bacteria to grow.

Sorry to hear you're missing out on awesome international cuisine.

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I know what that feels like :( Don't they normally have signs on every ingredient that shows when it was put in the sandwich bar and when it's supposed to be tossed out? In here they also make a point of making the staff wear gloves and showing they get discarded right in front of the customer? That's what I like about them. I'm not a very massive fan of the food itself. If it wasn't for the rigid safety procedures I wouldn't visit them.

I am naturally a fairly adventurous eater, and I really do try to eat local foods as much as possible, but it very much depends on the country and the season. In the UK and Scandinavia it's much less common to leave foods at room temperature in summer than in some places in Central Europe, for example, so I feel much more comfortable getting lunch from a small independent business.

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« Reply #3057 on: May 04, 2021, 12:06:16 PM »

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I know what that feels like :( Don't they normally have signs on every ingredient that shows when it was put in the sandwich bar and when it's supposed to be tossed out?

I am convinced this problem owes a lot to our crappy franchise arrangements.  Franchises like McDonaldís and subway set standards like that.  But there are a lot of flailing locations that are basically run by the local owner who either directly works there or micromanaged his staff.  And he has a personal profit motive to save every penny (corporations have profit motive but they donít see you taking an extra packet of sauce as taking food out of their kids mouths).  Iíve heard stories of owners just changing the expiration dates, for example, so as not to throw out product.  Iíve personally seen the intense penny pinching with napkin counting.  This is far more likely to happen at a smaller location where the owner has only one franchise.  The larger more visible locations are often corporate run (eg airport international).  Not every chain is a franchise either.  I tend to like corporate own location better as they better recognize the liabilities involved in food safety (which is why they made those policies to begin with).  If there are a lot of impromptu signs around the store, it makes me very wary (2 napkin limit, one sauce per 6 nuggets, one refill per visit, etc) because that level of penny pinching inevitably means cut corners on food safety

Now if your location is busy, you probably wonít see an issue with expired product because itís constantly getting used up.  Unless itís something that people donít order often (eg chili) that sits there all day and is supposed to get changed out but for some reason isnít

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« Reply #3058 on: May 04, 2021, 12:29:28 PM »

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I know what that feels like :( Don't they normally have signs on every ingredient that shows when it was put in the sandwich bar and when it's supposed to be tossed out?

I am convinced this problem owes a lot to our crappy franchise arrangements.  Franchises like McDonaldís and subway set standards like that.  But there are a lot of flailing locations that are basically run by the local owner who either directly works there or micromanaged his staff.  And he has a personal profit motive to save every penny (corporations have profit motive but they donít see you taking an extra packet of sauce as taking food out of their kids mouths).  Iíve heard stories of owners just changing the expiration dates, for example, so as not to throw out product.  Iíve personally seen the intense penny pinching with napkin counting.  This is far more likely to happen at a smaller location where the owner has only one franchise.  The larger more visible locations are often corporate run (eg airport international).  Not every chain is a franchise either.  I tend to like corporate own location better as they better recognize the liabilities involved in food safety (which is why they made those policies to begin with).  If there are a lot of impromptu signs around the store, it makes me very wary (2 napkin limit, one sauce per 6 nuggets, one refill per visit, etc) because that level of penny pinching inevitably means cut corners on food safety

Now if your location is busy, you probably wonít see an issue with expired product because itís constantly getting used up.  Unless itís something that people donít order often (eg chili) that sits there all day and is supposed to get changed out but for some reason isnít

Subway is also one of the worst franchises for profit margins. There's not a lot of space between individual locations and most people need two to three locations and to be an owner/operator to earn enough of a profit to live on. There's more incentive to cut corners in an operation like that, which is why so many ingredients are consistently unavailable, why the vegetables tend to look wilted and awful, and why the "tuna salad" is mostly mayonnaise.

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« Reply #3059 on: May 06, 2021, 05:12:30 PM »

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I know what that feels like :( Don't they normally have signs on every ingredient that shows when it was put in the sandwich bar and when it's supposed to be tossed out?

I am convinced this problem owes a lot to our crappy franchise arrangements.  Franchises like McDonaldís and subway set standards like that.  But there are a lot of flailing locations that are basically run by the local owner who either directly works there or micromanaged his staff.  And he has a personal profit motive to save every penny (corporations have profit motive but they donít see you taking an extra packet of sauce as taking food out of their kids mouths).  Iíve heard stories of owners just changing the expiration dates, for example, so as not to throw out product.  Iíve personally seen the intense penny pinching with napkin counting.  This is far more likely to happen at a smaller location where the owner has only one franchise.  The larger more visible locations are often corporate run (eg airport international).  Not every chain is a franchise either.  I tend to like corporate own location better as they better recognize the liabilities involved in food safety (which is why they made those policies to begin with).  If there are a lot of impromptu signs around the store, it makes me very wary (2 napkin limit, one sauce per 6 nuggets, one refill per visit, etc) because that level of penny pinching inevitably means cut corners on food safety

Now if your location is busy, you probably wonít see an issue with expired product because itís constantly getting used up.  Unless itís something that people donít order often (eg chili) that sits there all day and is supposed to get changed out but for some reason isnít

I agree on you being wary of locations penny-pinching. My memory of one Subway in particular was that they were only including one napkin with the order - I asked for more. And with that restaurant being so common that was also the last time I went to that location. As you alluded to, if they are cutting corners one the things you can see, where might they be cutting where you cannot see?

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« Reply #3060 on: May 06, 2021, 09:27:30 PM »
I agree on you being wary of locations penny-pinching. My memory of one Subway in particular was that they were only including one napkin with the order - I asked for more. And with that restaurant being so common that was also the last time I went to that location. As you alluded to, if they are cutting corners one the things you can see, where might they be cutting where you cannot see?

My supply of (free) napkins/tissues in car and my coats comes from restaurants that put too many napkins on the table. Giving one napkin seems like good business sense... as long as they provide more if you need them.

But Subway...  first, yuck.  Second, wayyyyyyyy too many decisions to make there.  Can't do it.

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« Reply #3061 on: May 08, 2021, 06:50:12 AM »
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Funny, when I'm abroad and I'm not sure what I can eat and what I can't, I tend to stick to American restaurant chains like Subway and the big yellow M.

FWIW I got the worst ever food poisoning from Subway. Had to go to a after hours doc, was folded over in pain. I was on the verge of calling an ambulance to get to ER. Never ever am I having subway meatballs again. The fuckers must have been sitting in the warmer all week festering. Perfect temperature for bacteria to grow.

Sorry to hear you're missing out on awesome international cuisine.

My husbandís Subway food poisoning ruined our camping trip last summer. (He grabbed Subway for lunch the day before we left. Symptoms kicked in after we set up camp.) I donít normally eat fast food, but that pretty much cemented my decision to avoid it.

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« Reply #3062 on: May 09, 2021, 12:39:29 PM »
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Funny, when I'm abroad and I'm not sure what I can eat and what I can't, I tend to stick to American restaurant chains like Subway and the big yellow M.

FWIW I got the worst ever food poisoning from Subway. Had to go to a after hours doc, was folded over in pain. I was on the verge of calling an ambulance to get to ER. Never ever am I having subway meatballs again. The fuckers must have been sitting in the warmer all week festering. Perfect temperature for bacteria to grow.

Sorry to hear you're missing out on awesome international cuisine.

My husbandís Subway food poisoning ruined our camping trip last summer. (He grabbed Subway for lunch the day before we left. Symptoms kicked in after we set up camp.) I donít normally eat fast food, but that pretty much cemented my decision to avoid it.

Food poisoning is s strange thing. Sometimes it can break out several days after the bad food - even though I never understood how that is possible. What I want to say: I would give it no more than a 50:50 chance it was actually the subway food. Maybe even while setting up the camp your husband gut some dirt in the mouth with the offending bacteria. Easy if the ground is not wet.

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« Reply #3063 on: May 09, 2021, 06:02:16 PM »
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Funny, when I'm abroad and I'm not sure what I can eat and what I can't, I tend to stick to American restaurant chains like Subway and the big yellow M.

FWIW I got the worst ever food poisoning from Subway. Had to go to a after hours doc, was folded over in pain. I was on the verge of calling an ambulance to get to ER. Never ever am I having subway meatballs again. The fuckers must have been sitting in the warmer all week festering. Perfect temperature for bacteria to grow.

Sorry to hear you're missing out on awesome international cuisine.

My husbandís Subway food poisoning ruined our camping trip last summer. (He grabbed Subway for lunch the day before we left. Symptoms kicked in after we set up camp.) I donít normally eat fast food, but that pretty much cemented my decision to avoid it.

Food poisoning is s strange thing. Sometimes it can break out several days after the bad food - even though I never understood how that is possible. What I want to say: I would give it no more than a 50:50 chance it was actually the subway food. Maybe even while setting up the camp your husband gut some dirt in the mouth with the offending bacteria. Easy if the ground is not wet.

Sometimes that's how long it takes the pathogenic bacteria to reach a critical mass in the gut. But 24 hours isn't an unusually long incubation time.

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« Reply #3064 on: May 11, 2021, 03:12:40 AM »
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Funny, when I'm abroad and I'm not sure what I can eat and what I can't, I tend to stick to American restaurant chains like Subway and the big yellow M.

FWIW I got the worst ever food poisoning from Subway. Had to go to a after hours doc, was folded over in pain. I was on the verge of calling an ambulance to get to ER. Never ever am I having subway meatballs again. The fuckers must have been sitting in the warmer all week festering. Perfect temperature for bacteria to grow.

Sorry to hear you're missing out on awesome international cuisine.

My husbandís Subway food poisoning ruined our camping trip last summer. (He grabbed Subway for lunch the day before we left. Symptoms kicked in after we set up camp.) I donít normally eat fast food, but that pretty much cemented my decision to avoid it.

Food poisoning is s strange thing. Sometimes it can break out several days after the bad food - even though I never understood how that is possible. What I want to say: I would give it no more than a 50:50 chance it was actually the subway food. Maybe even while setting up the camp your husband gut some dirt in the mouth with the offending bacteria. Easy if the ground is not wet.

Sometimes that's how long it takes the pathogenic bacteria to reach a critical mass in the gut. But 24 hours isn't an unusually long incubation time.
Yes, but the point is that you can't be sure by far that it was the subway food (or any other single meal for several days before).

It's a reasonable guess, but still just an educated guess.

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« Reply #3065 on: May 23, 2021, 07:51:00 PM »
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Funny, when I'm abroad and I'm not sure what I can eat and what I can't, I tend to stick to American restaurant chains like Subway and the big yellow M.

FWIW I got the worst ever food poisoning from Subway. Had to go to a after hours doc, was folded over in pain. I was on the verge of calling an ambulance to get to ER. Never ever am I having subway meatballs again. The fuckers must have been sitting in the warmer all week festering. Perfect temperature for bacteria to grow.

Sorry to hear you're missing out on awesome international cuisine.

My husbandís Subway food poisoning ruined our camping trip last summer. (He grabbed Subway for lunch the day before we left. Symptoms kicked in after we set up camp.) I donít normally eat fast food, but that pretty much cemented my decision to avoid it.

Food poisoning is s strange thing. Sometimes it can break out several days after the bad food - even though I never understood how that is possible. What I want to say: I would give it no more than a 50:50 chance it was actually the subway food. Maybe even while setting up the camp your husband gut some dirt in the mouth with the offending bacteria. Easy if the ground is not wet.

Sometimes that's how long it takes the pathogenic bacteria to reach a critical mass in the gut. But 24 hours isn't an unusually long incubation time.
Yes, but the point is that you can't be sure by far that it was the subway food (or any other single meal for several days before).

It's a reasonable guess, but still just an educated guess.

True story.

I've been to various parts of the globe, including active war zones and parts of Asia that aren't known for their food hygiene.  I eat local pretty much everywhere I go.

Two places that have bad enough food to make me incredibly sick.  The first was poorly cooked unidentified meat from an Iraqi local.  The second case was bar food in London. 

Be careful with that British food.

Don't worry about that Thai street food though.  Or the interesting menu choices in a Chinese Seafood restaurant.  Sea Cucumber and Duck tongue are quite tasty if you can get past the texture.

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« Reply #3066 on: June 03, 2021, 09:09:20 AM »
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Funny, when I'm abroad and I'm not sure what I can eat and what I can't, I tend to stick to American restaurant chains like Subway and the big yellow M.

FWIW I got the worst ever food poisoning from Subway. Had to go to a after hours doc, was folded over in pain. I was on the verge of calling an ambulance to get to ER. Never ever am I having subway meatballs again. The fuckers must have been sitting in the warmer all week festering. Perfect temperature for bacteria to grow.

Sorry to hear you're missing out on awesome international cuisine.

My husbandís Subway food poisoning ruined our camping trip last summer. (He grabbed Subway for lunch the day before we left. Symptoms kicked in after we set up camp.) I donít normally eat fast food, but that pretty much cemented my decision to avoid it.

Food poisoning is s strange thing. Sometimes it can break out several days after the bad food - even though I never understood how that is possible. What I want to say: I would give it no more than a 50:50 chance it was actually the subway food. Maybe even while setting up the camp your husband gut some dirt in the mouth with the offending bacteria. Easy if the ground is not wet.

Sometimes that's how long it takes the pathogenic bacteria to reach a critical mass in the gut. But 24 hours isn't an unusually long incubation time.
Yes, but the point is that you can't be sure by far that it was the subway food (or any other single meal for several days before).

It's a reasonable guess, but still just an educated guess.

True story.

I've been to various parts of the globe, including active war zones and parts of Asia that aren't known for their food hygiene.  I eat local pretty much everywhere I go.

Two places that have bad enough food to make me incredibly sick.  The first was poorly cooked unidentified meat from an Iraqi local.  The second case was bar food in London. 

Be careful with that British food.

Don't worry about that Thai street food though.  Or the interesting menu choices in a Chinese Seafood restaurant.  Sea Cucumber and Duck tongue are quite tasty if you can get past the texture.

I traveled 6 months in Asia and the only time I got a food poisoning was in Vietnam when I ate at a tourist restaurant that was full of westerners. In China, I went to all kind of local restaurant were I only had a basic idea of the menu due to an app. I always choose buy places with locals.

The first time I got a food poisoning was in Switzerland, the night before a wedding with a four or five course menu. I look like a ghost in the pictures as I am even more pale then usual.

I really like food so I try to avoid american fast food restaurants. Part of the experience is to eat good local food.

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« Reply #3067 on: June 03, 2021, 01:08:14 PM »
"Well we are both splitting the car payment, so my payment is the same for my Jetta, but I get a new BMW M-series"
"She NEEDS a fancy car to impress her clients, boss, and co-workers if she wants to move up the ladder"

"Her boss was poor only 5 years ago, we went to their wedding, it was probably all in only $20k"

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« Reply #3068 on: June 03, 2021, 02:51:35 PM »
"Well we are both splitting the car payment, so my payment is the same for my Jetta, but I get a new BMW M-series"
"She NEEDS a fancy car to impress her clients, boss, and co-workers if she wants to move up the ladder"

"Her boss was poor only 5 years ago, we went to their wedding, it was probably all in only $20k"
Guess we must be in abject poverty, since ours was less than half that.  What on earth are they talking about?!  20k is a lot for a wedding.

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« Reply #3069 on: June 03, 2021, 03:01:54 PM »
"Well we are both splitting the car payment, so my payment is the same for my Jetta, but I get a new BMW M-series"
"She NEEDS a fancy car to impress her clients, boss, and co-workers if she wants to move up the ladder"

"Her boss was poor only 5 years ago, we went to their wedding, it was probably all in only $20k"
Guess we must be in abject poverty, since ours was less than half that.  What on earth are they talking about?!  20k is a lot for a wedding.

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« Reply #3070 on: June 05, 2021, 12:55:31 AM »
How do you even know how much a wedding costs?

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« Reply #3071 on: June 05, 2021, 02:48:35 PM »
How do you even know how much a wedding costs?

I wonder this too!

I've been to one wedding that clearly cost a lot--e.g. there were many large and beautiful fresh flower arrangements--but I couldn't begin to put a price tag on it. And never mind knowing what was a gift, what was DIY, etc.

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« Reply #3072 on: June 05, 2021, 10:56:56 PM »
People in the wedding industry can make pretty good estimates on prices. At least to the scale of costs.

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« Reply #3073 on: June 06, 2021, 12:00:10 AM »
Or some relative or friend at the wedding mentioned it or the boss herself.

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« Reply #3074 on: June 06, 2021, 10:28:19 AM »
How do you even know how much a wedding costs?

Catering is going to cost at least $15 per plate and can be multiples of that.

Renting a venue usually starts at $500 and can easily be thousands.

Photographer/Videographer will be $1,000+ in most cases - especially if it's multiple people.

Flowers, clothing, rings, etc.

A wedding with 50-100+ people with nice food and a nice venue is probably going to be in the tens of thousands unless it's obvious all the food was homemade and it's held in a free/cheap venue (backyard of friend/family member, etc.).


Our wedding in a courthouse was a almost nothing (I had a suit, friend made my wife's dress) except gold wedding bands that were around $1,000 (gold was much cheaper back then). The "reception" afterwards was maybe a few hundred more for lunch in a restaurant with a small group of family and friends.

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« Reply #3075 on: June 06, 2021, 11:31:01 AM »
How do you even know how much a wedding costs?

Catering is going to cost at least $15 per plate and can be multiples of that.

Renting a venue usually starts at $500 and can easily be thousands.

Photographer/Videographer will be $1,000+ in most cases - especially if it's multiple people.

Flowers, clothing, rings, etc.

A wedding with 50-100+ people with nice food and a nice venue is probably going to be in the tens of thousands unless it's obvious all the food was homemade and it's held in a free/cheap venue (backyard of friend/family member, etc.).


Our wedding in a courthouse was a almost nothing (I had a suit, friend made my wife's dress) except gold wedding bands that were around $1,000 (gold was much cheaper back then). The "reception" afterwards was maybe a few hundred more for lunch in a restaurant with a small group of family and friends.

Our wedding budget was $50.   That was for everything.  License, invitations, postage, everything.  Not because we were cheap but simply because we were poor. $50 was a lot of money to us at the time.  We held it in our apartment because that was already rented.   We told people that if they wanted something to eat or drink at the reception it would be wise to bring it.   Rings were gifts from friends because there was no money for rings.

People had such a good time that some folks stayed for 3 days.

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« Reply #3076 on: June 07, 2021, 07:35:03 AM »
I work with a guy who lives about an hour from work, so his total daily commute is north of 2 hours.  He also comes into the office every Saturday. On top of that, he drives like the biggest Ford F150 you can get (think King Ranch size).  He said his monthly gas expense is over $1,000.  It's a diesel though, so getting "good" gas mileage and longevity!  He's a nice guy and smart (has a P.E. designation), but that's about as anti-mustachian as it gets!

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« Reply #3077 on: June 07, 2021, 12:44:44 PM »
I work with a guy who lives about an hour from work, so his total daily commute is north of 2 hours.  He also comes into the office every Saturday. On top of that, he drives like the biggest Ford F150 you can get (think King Ranch size).  He said his monthly gas expense is over $1,000.  It's a diesel though, so getting "good" gas mileage and longevity!  He's a nice guy and smart (has a P.E. designation), but that's about as anti-mustachian as it gets!

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« Reply #3078 on: June 07, 2021, 12:53:07 PM »
Can you name the truck that's 4 wheel drive, smells like a steak and seats 45?

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« Reply #3079 on: June 07, 2021, 02:20:49 PM »
I work with a guy who lives about an hour from work, so his total daily commute is north of 2 hours.  He also comes into the office every Saturday. On top of that, he drives like the biggest Ford F150 you can get (think King Ranch size).  He said his monthly gas expense is over $1,000.  It's a diesel though, so getting "good" gas mileage and longevity!  He's a nice guy and smart (has a P.E. designation), but that's about as anti-mustachian as it gets!

Pretty common behavior in Houston.  I worked with a guy like that.  His giant Kind Ranch wouldn't fit in the company provided parking garage, so he leased an XL sized parking spot 4 blocks away for $130/month.

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« Reply #3080 on: June 07, 2021, 03:36:28 PM »
I work with a guy who lives about an hour from work, so his total daily commute is north of 2 hours.  He also comes into the office every Saturday. On top of that, he drives like the biggest Ford F150 you can get (think King Ranch size).  He said his monthly gas expense is over $1,000.  It's a diesel though, so getting "good" gas mileage and longevity!  He's a nice guy and smart (has a P.E. designation), but that's about as anti-mustachian as it gets!

Pretty common behavior in Houston.  I worked with a guy like that.  His giant Kind Ranch wouldn't fit in the company provided parking garage, so he leased an XL sized parking spot 4 blocks away for $130/month.

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« Reply #3081 on: June 08, 2021, 03:12:58 AM »
I work with a guy who lives about an hour from work, so his total daily commute is north of 2 hours.  He also comes into the office every Saturday. On top of that, he drives like the biggest Ford F150 you can get (think King Ranch size).  He said his monthly gas expense is over $1,000.  It's a diesel though, so getting "good" gas mileage and longevity!  He's a nice guy and smart (has a P.E. designation), but that's about as anti-mustachian as it gets!

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« Reply #3082 on: June 15, 2021, 08:46:15 PM »
My plant manager recently traded in his truck (a 2018 Ford F-150 Raptor) for a newer, more expensive truck. Unsure what the make/model is, I just know that it apparently cost a whopping $90,000.

He was in the break room showing off a video of the retractable driver's side step he had installed for an extra $2k. You press a button and it swings out, then you press the button again and it folds back into the undercarriage. I pointed out that I don't need a step to get into my 2010 Suzuki Kizashi, because it only sits about 5 inches off the ground. I can only imagine his frustration when next winter hits and his fancy retractable step freezes in place.

This same manager a few days later was talking to someone about one of his favorite fast food chains (actually it's a gas station chain called Sheetz which is very big here in PA, it's hard to explain the hype but they do have excellent food). "I love their food, but it's just so gosh darn expensive!" I remarked that if he bought a nice used Honda Civic instead of a $90k truck, he could afford to eat there as often as he'd like.

I'm sure he makes at least $150k a year, so he can surely afford to live a ridiculous spendypants lifestyle, but damn, if I made what he makes I could be retired in about 5 years.

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« Reply #3083 on: June 15, 2021, 08:59:49 PM »
Sheetz is the only place my mother has been known to throw out freshly purchased food.  It was a few years ago, but if IIRC, the hot dogs were 3/$1, so she didnít lose much. 

So my family always jokes about getting ďthe SheetzĒ and havenít been back. They actually have some edible food?


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« Reply #3084 on: June 16, 2021, 05:21:40 AM »
I was at a job site yesterday and was on the roof of a building with a half dozen guys. 3 of those guys have raptor trucks - they were all comparing notes on horsepower because apparently none of them were stock. The guy with the biggest stick had 750HP, which was impressive to all.

Then the conversation turned to a ~$400,000 truck at a local showroom. Didnít catch the make / model but everyone except me seemed to know the exact one.

And there I was getting into my Prius when we all left. Lol oh well, Iím sure all those guys make well into the Six figure range, $500k+ So more power to them (literally).

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« Reply #3085 on: June 18, 2021, 08:19:30 PM »
Sheetz is the only place my mother has been known to throw out freshly purchased food.  It was a few years ago, but if IIRC, the hot dogs were 3/$1, so she didnít lose much. 

So my family always jokes about getting ďthe SheetzĒ and havenít been back. They actually have some edible food?

I've never had a bad experience with Sheetz food. In general I would consider it superior in quality to most fast food (which isn't saying much, but you can't reasonably expect much more from gas station fare).

What probably earned them their popularity back in the early 2000s was that they were one of the first places to offer truly customizable menu options. Even back in like 2005 you could walk into a Sheetz, go up to a touchscreen kiosk and order subs, burgers, sandwiches, etc designed to your exact specifications. Even now that sort of thing isn't super common. Sure you can go to a fast food chain and specify things that you want or don't want on your order, but you're still just editing a pre-designed menu item. With sheetz, you can build your food the way you want it from the ground up.

As an example, sometimes after my morning workout I'll pick up a breakfast quesarito with bacon, sausage, eggs, cheddar cheese, and hash browns in it. The damn thing is a foot long and thicker than my forearm. It's about 1100 calories and 60g or so of protein, for about $6. Not bad at all by fast food standards.

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« Reply #3086 on: June 18, 2021, 08:22:04 PM »
Iím sure all those guys make well into the Six figure range, $500k+ So more power to them (literally).

Indeed, I'm sure they could all be retired if they valued their time over their horsepower.

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« Reply #3087 on: June 21, 2021, 09:46:17 AM »
*sigh* Our lovely admin-type person stopped by my office and we discussed weekend events.  Her daughter is getting married next year, and so they're working on the arrangements.  The venues in our area are apparently charging $10,000 just for the room.  No tables, no linens, etc.  Caterers are quoting $40-50/head for food, and they're planning on 120-150 guests.  So they're looking at neighboring states (minimum drive: 90 minutes to the state border) for cheaper options.

Dang, I'm in the wrong line of work.

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« Reply #3088 on: June 21, 2021, 12:53:16 PM »
*sigh* Our lovely admin-type person stopped by my office and we discussed weekend events.  Her daughter is getting married next year, and so they're working on the arrangements.  The venues in our area are apparently charging $10,000 just for the room.  No tables, no linens, etc.  Caterers are quoting $40-50/head for food, and they're planning on 120-150 guests.  So they're looking at neighboring states (minimum drive: 90 minutes to the state border) for cheaper options.

Dang, I'm in the wrong line of work.

Damn, at that price I could offer a Japanese garden and a nice home to host the wedding in.   Hell, it would pay for someone else to do the lawn work for the year.   One more would pay for the tables and chairs and a store-room to put them in.   

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« Reply #3089 on: June 21, 2021, 08:40:30 PM »
We spent $25k on our wedding 14 years ago. Best $25k ever spent. I wish weíd spent a little more. We talked about doing something in the in-lawsí backyard for $3k, but we decided we wanted something else. My brother eloped for close to nothing and then did a party a year later. Iíve also been to a wedding that easily cost more than $100k, and could have been $250k. Three separate ballrooms, three separate bands, open bar at the reception and dinner, steak and lobster and chicken for 350 guests, unlimited DOM Perignon, amazing flowers.

The thing is, a wedding should be what the bride and groom want and can afford. We wanted $25k, and we saved up to do that. It was awesome. I was a little miffed that my brother and his wife invited only my mom and stepdad and her parents to their wedding, but hey, itís their wedding.  The fancy wedding was amazing - and a little stuffy and pretentious at times, but when youíre putting on a show for all your rich friends, thatís the way it sometimes is. In the end, itís about the two people pledging themselves to each other. If they want simple, great. If they want fairy tale and can have it, great. People at our wedding told us they had no idea we could throw such a fun party - totally worth it.

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« Reply #3090 on: June 21, 2021, 10:03:52 PM »
We spent $25k on our wedding 14 years ago. Best $25k ever spent. I wish weíd spent a little more. We talked about doing something in the in-lawsí backyard for $3k, but we decided we wanted something else. My brother eloped for close to nothing and then did a party a year later. Iíve also been to a wedding that easily cost more than $100k, and could have been $250k. Three separate ballrooms, three separate bands, open bar at the reception and dinner, steak and lobster and chicken for 350 guests, unlimited DOM Perignon, amazing flowers.

The thing is, a wedding should be what the bride and groom want and can afford. We wanted $25k, and we saved up to do that. It was awesome. I was a little miffed that my brother and his wife invited only my mom and stepdad and her parents to their wedding, but hey, itís their wedding.  The fancy wedding was amazing - and a little stuffy and pretentious at times, but when youíre putting on a show for all your rich friends, thatís the way it sometimes is. In the end, itís about the two people pledging themselves to each other. If they want simple, great. If they want fairy tale and can have it, great. People at our wedding told us they had no idea we could throw such a fun party - totally worth it.

There is a correlation between expensive weddings and higher divorce rate. Does it mean a higher priced wedding will lead to divorce, obviously no.  But I would disagree that "putting on a show for your rich friends" is about two people pledging themselves to each other, in the end.  It's generally more about the show than the pledge.

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« Reply #3091 on: June 21, 2021, 10:15:43 PM »
It was dad putting on a show for his rich friends. The couple seems to be pretty happy still, and itís been years. But hey, you never know. It was a great party though, and seeing my late 80ís grandfather on stage dancing with the bridesmaids is a cherished memory. (He was a great dancer and honestly could out-dance most guys in their twenties even at 85+.)