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Vitai Slade

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On the right track! ...or not
« on: September 19, 2013, 05:41:07 PM »
I was having a discussion about a particular custom purchase one of my friends was making and he was deciding on options for it/different companies he could go through/etc. and this conversation happened:

Me: your choice, I guess

Him: money does not matter to me, just results

Me: money matters to me.

Him: I don't care for money because it depresses me but I use and acquire it because it is nescessary.

Me: Oh. Acquiring money makes me happy because it gets me closer to my ultimate goal of not having to acquire money anymore. Spending it pushes me farther away from that goal, so I'm not so keen on spending it.

Him: money is always needed from birth till death then in death it is no longer needed by the individual

Me: Yup, but acquiring it can be stopped once you have enough. at any point in life

Him: false. once you have enough it is used, then you will require more again, it is a fact of life.

Me: false. invested properly, money on its own will actually generate more money, negating the need to acquire more again.

Him: money does not fulfill meaning and self worth, working and meeting ones levels of self fulfilment makes it to were you will or wont require money

Me: No, but money does help me buy food which 'fulfills' my belly when it's hungry... which in turn drives me to meet my level of self fulfillment, meaning, and self worth without having to perform mundane tasks for an employer at dates and times which he or she sets for me at recurring increments of 40 hours per week for the rest of my life.

Him: I don't worry about physical hunger, just emotional hunger and emotionally filling a hole that maybe be near impossible to fill

Me: But you'll still need money for all the other things. and how are you gonna get that? By working that job every week? I prefer to let my money work for me instead.

Him: When I have a single complex need, all other desires and needs are simple. I don't need much, I am simple.

Me: well then you should need a whole lot to save up in order to never have to work again! Good for you! :D

Him: now that does not make sense to me. if I don't need much then that means I don't need much money either. I rather work till my heart gives out than have a lot of money and never work. having work gives me meaning

Me: I'm sure it does give you meaning. But having a lot of money doesn't mean you can't work. It just means that you have the OPTION to not work if you don't want to or have the OPTION to do something even MORE meaningful if a path opens up down the road. It's about having choices, not forcing you to give up meaning in your life.

Him: I don't always need many choices, just directions and I will follow them

Me: *Shakes head* I guess you're destined to always be a follower to everyone else's wishes and desires for you then instead of grabbing the reins to your own life and directing it yourself.

Him: if walking around the world till I die can make me happy then i would do it, it is a direction and path. I don't follow people, I follow my hearts desires

Me: It's kinda hard to walk around the world when you're stuck in a 40 hour a week job pushing papers around a desk (or whatever you happen to do)

Him: that was a metaphor comparing a life's journey or meaning to work. with out work it often hard to find meaning

Me: no matter what metaphor you use, if you get yourself stuck in a position where you have to work in a job for someone else for the rest of your life, you aren't free to do as you wish. Your 'journey' is going to be the commute to work and back again. This is why you need money, to free yourself from that obligation so that you CAN have a life journey.

Him: we are never truly free, we are always controlled by one thing or another whether we choose to see it or not

Me: I am not controlled by anything. Or rather, once I acquire enough money to leave the workforce, I won't be.

Him: yes, paying bills on the utility for your house is one. media, governments, borders, laws

Me: Nope, I can switch to green utilities. Solar power, well water, for example. I don't listen to the media, or watch TV, I pay the government a little bit of my money which is just fine because I can easily live on the rest FREELY, I can take a flight to anywhere in the world I would desire to go, and laws are based on fundamental morals that I'd follow anyway just because I'd rather be a good person rather than a shitty one.

.....and then it just goes on and on..... x.x


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Re: On the right track! ...or not
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2013, 01:01:20 PM »
Kudos to you for having the patience to carry on this conversation.... I would have given up after the first few back-and-forths  :)


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Re: On the right track! ...or not
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2013, 10:59:49 PM »
Kudos to you for having the patience to carry on this conversation.... I would have given up after the first few back-and-forths  :)