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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1400 on: October 09, 2020, 07:36:48 AM »
Had no idea that there are so many different MLMs!

Yes, and they just keep popping up.

Got invited to another "Color Street" party. This invitation came from someone who ended up selling her huge Lularoe inventory at a significant loss a couple of years ago. You'd think she'd have learned...

I'm amazed how many MLM sellers are frequent fliers- hoping from one company to the next.

There was a huge uproar awhile back because Beachbody (?) required exclusivity. And it seems most Beachbody "coaches" also sold LLR or Younique.

That's interesting. Two of my coworkers are beachbody "coaches" and one also sells Rodan and Fields and the other sells some kind of makeup.

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« Reply #1401 on: October 09, 2020, 08:19:46 AM »
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That's interesting. Two of my coworkers are beachbody "coaches" and one also sells Rodan and Fields and the other sells some kind of makeup.

They eventually backed off due to the negative firestorm of responses. Apparently too many of their "clients" were going to chose "the others" over BeachBody.

They now only require exclusivity if you're "Star Diamond" (???) level or above.

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« Reply #1402 on: October 09, 2020, 02:04:38 PM »
Had no idea that there are so many different MLMs!

Yes, and they just keep popping up.

Got invited to another "Color Street" party. This invitation came from someone who ended up selling her huge Lularoe inventory at a significant loss a couple of years ago. You'd think she'd have learned...

I'm amazed how many MLM sellers are frequent fliers- hoping from one company to the next.

There was a huge uproar awhile back because Beachbody (?) required exclusivity. And it seems most Beachbody "coaches" also sold LLR or Younique.

That's interesting. Two of my coworkers are beachbody "coaches" and one also sells Rodan and Fields and the other sells some kind of makeup.
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That's interesting. Two of my coworkers are beachbody "coaches" and one also sells Rodan and Fields and the other sells some kind of makeup.

They eventually backed off due to the negative firestorm of responses. Apparently too many of their "clients" were going to chose "the others" over BeachBody.

They now only require exclusivity if you're "Star Diamond" (???) level or above.

Ah, that makes sense.  I have a few friends who are Beachbody coaches.  I remember, vaguely, when they made the exclusivity rule, because they quit.  (At the time, one of them was hawking wine, and I don't know what the other one was hawking.  Oh yeah!  Valentus "magic" coffee.)

But then one of them came back to the fold, so to speak.  The wine thing didn't work out.  She's doing a lot of part time thing (dog walking, dog sitting, Beachbody, run-coaching).  The other one...I don't hear her talk so much about the magic coffee anymore.  She still does beachbody workouts but I don't think she's a coach anymore.  She's now hawking "safe" and "natural" skincare. 

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1403 on: October 12, 2020, 06:43:13 AM »
Beachbody actually has decent workouts. I just don't need a disgusting shake.

You can get the workouts online without a "coach".

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« Reply #1404 on: October 12, 2020, 11:18:24 AM »
I received a new online party invite this week- Ziya Activewear. Crazy expensive workout clothing. Looks like reps make a 20% commission for selling to you via Facebook.

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« Reply #1405 on: October 12, 2020, 11:21:49 AM »
I received a new online party invite this week- Ziya Activewear. Crazy expensive workout clothing. Looks like reps make a 20% commission for selling to you via Facebook.
One of my cousins just started selling this. Never heard of them before. They must be the hot new thing.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1406 on: October 14, 2020, 02:22:48 PM »
How many of these things would be available from a low cost Asian supplier on the internet - the clothing, the gear, etc?

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« Reply #1407 on: October 14, 2020, 03:37:17 PM »
Beachbody actually has decent workouts. I just don't need a disgusting shake.

You can get the workouts online without a "coach".
Yep.  I really enjoy the workouts.  Not so much "you should drink Energize before this workout." or "Beachbody recovery formula would be perfect after this workout." ads...

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« Reply #1408 on: October 14, 2020, 06:55:49 PM »
How many of these things would be available from a low cost Asian supplier on the internet - the clothing, the gear, etc?

Substitute products are available for all of them.  Usually the actual product isn't just a rebranded generic though.

But a substitute product for pretty much MLM is available EVERYWHERE. None of them sell anything unique.

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« Reply #1409 on: October 15, 2020, 11:17:05 AM »
I joined a local moms internet group, which people seem to be using to shill their MLMs.  It's really sad to see other new people join, looking for community and social connections, but instead getting sales pitches for these dumb companies. 

There are also posts along the lines of, "Hi everyone, I just had a baby and am looking for some part-time work from home. Does anyone have ideas?"  The responses are just an MLM feeding frenzy. I can't bear to watch!

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« Reply #1410 on: October 16, 2020, 02:06:00 PM »
I was following the story about Trump retweeting an article from Babylon Bee (similar to "The Onion" - a satire website) and just happened to see this beauty:

https://babylonbee.com/news/babylon-mom-how-this-momboss-almost-breaks-even-with-essential-oils

And it contains gems like these:

"This is the part where people usually say, “Hey, that sounds like a pyramid scheme!” But if it were truly a pyramid scheme, would it involve being contractually obligated to purchase products you don’t need so that the person who recruited you can get a cut of those proceeds? I don't think so!"


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« Reply #1411 on: October 16, 2020, 03:16:20 PM »
How many of these things would be available from a low cost Asian supplier on the internet - the clothing, the gear, etc?

Substitute products are available for all of them.  Usually the actual product isn't just a rebranded generic though.

But a substitute product for pretty much MLM is available EVERYWHERE. None of them sell anything unique.

I was thinking of all the things I've searched for online only to discover one specific version rebranded with 30 different names. Wondered if MLM stuff was every like this.

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« Reply #1412 on: October 16, 2020, 04:53:58 PM »
How many of these things would be available from a low cost Asian supplier on the internet - the clothing, the gear, etc?

Substitute products are available for all of them.  Usually the actual product isn't just a rebranded generic though.

But a substitute product for pretty much MLM is available EVERYWHERE. None of them sell anything unique.

I was thinking of all the things I've searched for online only to discover one specific version rebranded with 30 different names. Wondered if MLM stuff was every like this.

Pretty much. Or it's more expensive and worse quality, like Lularoe clothing or Lipsense impermeable liquid lipstick.

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« Reply #1413 on: October 16, 2020, 05:31:45 PM »
I was following the story about Trump retweeting an article from Babylon Bee (similar to "The Onion" - a satire website) and just happened to see this beauty:

https://babylonbee.com/news/babylon-mom-how-this-momboss-almost-breaks-even-with-essential-oils

And it contains gems like these:

"This is the part where people usually say, “Hey, that sounds like a pyramid scheme!” But if it were truly a pyramid scheme, would it involve being contractually obligated to purchase products you don’t need so that the person who recruited you can get a cut of those proceeds? I don't think so!"

That was a great piece. Thanks for posting it!

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« Reply #1414 on: October 17, 2020, 11:03:22 PM »
I was following the story about Trump retweeting an article from Babylon Bee (similar to "The Onion" - a satire website) and just happened to see this beauty:

https://babylonbee.com/news/babylon-mom-how-this-momboss-almost-breaks-even-with-essential-oils

And it contains gems like these:

"This is the part where people usually say, “Hey, that sounds like a pyramid scheme!” But if it were truly a pyramid scheme, would it involve being contractually obligated to purchase products you don’t need so that the person who recruited you can get a cut of those proceeds? I don't think so!"

That was absolute gold, nothing beats a good MLM roast

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« Reply #1415 on: November 10, 2020, 06:40:23 PM »
I asked a relative of mine if he thought of taking vitamins because he seemed tired. I added that I had been B deficient, and that with just one simple fix I was feeling better.

Mistakenly assuming he didn't think me a total motherfucking asshole with an ulterior motive, I hit send. "Worst case scenario," I thought, "he knows I'm thinking of him."

Nope. He comes back telling that it sounds like I got myself into selling vitamins and he wasn't buying.

I almost replied, NOT JUST VITAMINS, BUT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO GET IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR!!!!!!

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« Reply #1416 on: November 11, 2020, 09:48:25 PM »
I asked a relative of mine if he thought of taking vitamins because he seemed tired. I added that I had been B deficient, and that with just one simple fix I was feeling better.

Mistakenly assuming he didn't think me a total motherfucking asshole with an ulterior motive, I hit send. "Worst case scenario," I thought, "he knows I'm thinking of him."

Nope. He comes back telling that it sounds like I got myself into selling vitamins and he wasn't buying.

I almost replied, NOT JUST VITAMINS, BUT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO GET IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR!!!!!!

LOL

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1417 on: November 12, 2020, 07:10:34 AM »
The beachbody workouts are actually pretty good, just don't buy their overpriced shakes and other stuff.  My GF and I share a monthly sub to the online workouts.  It's considerably cheaper than a gym membership and more effective, at least for us.  No trekking to the gym, fighting for weights, people who don't wipe down equipment, etc...but yes, I have known a couple "coaches".  Not sure what exactly they do.

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« Reply #1418 on: November 12, 2020, 11:58:45 AM »
My best friend has apparently agreed to host an online Pampered Chef party for another friend.  While I do like the PC items that I've inherited over the years, I just don't need any more stuff in my kitchen and don't want to support an MLM.  I hope they don't like put me on the spot. 

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« Reply #1419 on: November 19, 2020, 01:54:00 PM »
oh my goodness.  Have you seen this article!? Is this real life?  "Ponzi Scheme Suspect Uses Underwater Scooter to Flee F.B.I.
After a chase, Matthew Piercey disappeared underwater using a submersible scooter, the authorities said. When he surfaced, agents were waiting with dry clothes his wife had provided."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/us/matthew-piercey-ponzi-scheme.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR28IKhK9t10W6hhM29hxpEMPio4qJR1Fou-xLW7pc0RrVcbUhzua3JrB84

(In the past week I have been invited to a norwix party, a pampered chef party and... another "home shopping" party and I can't figure out how to get out of seeing all those posts on my Facebook without blocking the inviters.)

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« Reply #1420 on: November 19, 2020, 02:22:20 PM »
The beachbody workouts are actually pretty good, just don't buy their overpriced shakes and other stuff.  My GF and I share a monthly sub to the online workouts.  It's considerably cheaper than a gym membership and more effective, at least for us.  No trekking to the gym, fighting for weights, people who don't wipe down equipment, etc...but yes, I have known a couple "coaches".  Not sure what exactly they do.
They "give support", make recommendations, and run Facebook support groups.

So, for example, a new program comes out and they get people to sign up and pay for it (new programs don't come out on BOD for several months, so you have to pay for early access).  Then, they pick a "start date" and they all workout "together" and high five each other, etc.  Some coaches are actually fitness trainers or nutritionists, so they can also make dietary recommendations, etc.

For certain people, it can be helpful.  Much like WW, some success comes in with a feeling of belonging.

One of the people I know locally who is a BB coach actually owns a fitness business and (when gyms aren't closed), runs twice daily workouts, meaning he has a large screen TV and he and the folks who show up work out together.  (Usually only 1-4 people, tbh.)

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« Reply #1421 on: November 19, 2020, 02:22:38 PM »
Are people gathering in person for these parties? In 2020?

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« Reply #1422 on: November 19, 2020, 05:39:17 PM »
oh my goodness.  Have you seen this article!? Is this real life?  "Ponzi Scheme Suspect Uses Underwater Scooter to Flee F.B.I.
After a chase, Matthew Piercey disappeared underwater using a submersible scooter, the authorities said. When he surfaced, agents were waiting with dry clothes his wife had provided."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/us/matthew-piercey-ponzi-scheme.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR28IKhK9t10W6hhM29hxpEMPio4qJR1Fou-xLW7pc0RrVcbUhzua3JrB84

(In the past week I have been invited to a norwix party, a pampered chef party and... another "home shopping" party and I can't figure out how to get out of seeing all those posts on my Facebook without blocking the inviters.)

You could do a temporary hide (I think it's 30 days) for the poster. 

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« Reply #1423 on: November 19, 2020, 05:48:18 PM »
oh my goodness.  Have you seen this article!? Is this real life?  "Ponzi Scheme Suspect Uses Underwater Scooter to Flee F.B.I.
After a chase, Matthew Piercey disappeared underwater using a submersible scooter, the authorities said. When he surfaced, agents were waiting with dry clothes his wife had provided."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/us/matthew-piercey-ponzi-scheme.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR28IKhK9t10W6hhM29hxpEMPio4qJR1Fou-xLW7pc0RrVcbUhzua3JrB84

(In the past week I have been invited to a norwix party, a pampered chef party and... another "home shopping" party and I can't figure out how to get out of seeing all those posts on my Facebook without blocking the inviters.)

You could do a temporary hide (I think it's 30 days) for the poster.
You can also just unfollow people.  You're still friends, but you don't see their stuff unless you go to their wall.

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« Reply #1424 on: November 19, 2020, 06:33:59 PM »
I’ve declined the invites but it still shows me posts with this header. Oh well!  I need less social media anyway.


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« Reply #1425 on: November 24, 2020, 09:38:55 AM »
One of my FB acquaintances has been posting lately about something a friend of her's is doing.  The amount of emojis in the message is distinctly in MLM territory.  But it's for credit repair and how you can have bad trade lines removed "whether you owe them or not."  Having spent the better part of three years rehabbing my ex-husband's credit, I'm familiar with the process, but that seems way shady.

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« Reply #1426 on: December 02, 2020, 11:49:45 AM »
Are people gathering in person for these parties? In 2020?

No, usually they're online video "parties" that are basically just people watching a hun give a presentation and try to convince them to buy crap. There's usually a few other huns planted in the audience to comment a bunch and try to drum up interest, but they're about as entertaining as a root canal for anyone else.

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« Reply #1427 on: December 02, 2020, 05:38:50 PM »
Ack, I participated in a friend's FB usborne book party because I wanted to be nice. I bought two books, and that was fine. BUT THEN I got the notification that I 'won' the door prize. Silly me, I thought it would be, you know, a book. It wasn't. Option one for my prize was that I get to 'host a party,' and if I do, then I get $20 in free books (that's about 2 books for the pleasure of harassing all my closest friends). Option two, is free shipping on my next order of $40 or more. I chose the free shipping, and I won't be ordering. Gah!

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« Reply #1428 on: December 03, 2020, 02:43:08 AM »
Ack, I participated in a friend's FB usborne book party because I wanted to be nice. I bought two books, and that was fine. BUT THEN I got the notification that I 'won' the door prize. Silly me, I thought it would be, you know, a book. It wasn't. Option one for my prize was that I get to 'host a party,' and if I do, then I get $20 in free books (that's about 2 books for the pleasure of harassing all my closest friends). Option two, is free shipping on my next order of $40 or more. I chose the free shipping, and I won't be ordering. Gah!

Points for cleverness. You either become a seller or remain a customer.

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« Reply #1429 on: December 03, 2020, 07:10:27 AM »
Ack, I participated in a friend's FB usborne book party because I wanted to be nice. I bought two books, and that was fine. BUT THEN I got the notification that I 'won' the door prize. Silly me, I thought it would be, you know, a book. It wasn't. Option one for my prize was that I get to 'host a party,' and if I do, then I get $20 in free books (that's about 2 books for the pleasure of harassing all my closest friends). Option two, is free shipping on my next order of $40 or more. I chose the free shipping, and I won't be ordering. Gah!

I'd bet money that everybody in attendance "won" the door prize. If you can call it a prize.

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« Reply #1430 on: December 03, 2020, 07:57:52 AM »
I have someone on FB involved with what appears to be a CBD oil MLM.

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« Reply #1431 on: December 03, 2020, 12:26:04 PM »
Has anyone seen a useful effect of CBD oil? A friend gave me a little bottle. I couldn't see any benefits. It seems to everywhere though.

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« Reply #1432 on: December 03, 2020, 12:33:03 PM »
Has anyone seen a useful effect of CBD oil? A friend gave me a little bottle. I couldn't see any benefits. It seems to everywhere though.

It's the new essential oil that makes all the rest nonessential... although they kind of already were.

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« Reply #1433 on: December 03, 2020, 01:40:08 PM »
Has anyone seen a useful effect of CBD oil? A friend gave me a little bottle. I couldn't see any benefits. It seems to everywhere though.
It's one of those things that you buy because you have a pre-existing specific need that this would work for.. and there is some research (not fully concluded) that suggests that it needs to have tiny bit of active compounds, say at 5-10% ratio to the CBD to be effective.  Synergistic effect or something.

Lots of seniors with underlying on-going physical ailments love it (and the active variety of oil too).   These are people that would never drink to excess or enjoy drugs otherwise, all their lives.   That suggests that there is something to it, not just addictive reasons.

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« Reply #1434 on: December 03, 2020, 01:53:12 PM »
Has anyone seen a useful effect of CBD oil? A friend gave me a little bottle. I couldn't see any benefits. It seems to everywhere though.
It's one of those things that you buy because you have a pre-existing specific need that this would work for.. and there is some research (not fully concluded) that suggests that it needs to have tiny bit of active compounds, say at 5-10% ratio to the CBD to be effective.  Synergistic effect or something.

Lots of seniors with underlying on-going physical ailments love it (and the active variety of oil too).   These are people that would never drink to excess or enjoy drugs otherwise, all their lives.   That suggests that there is something to it, not just addictive reasons.

I think it's unregulated, so the quality is wildly diverse. I'm not willing to dismiss it as snake oil yet...although I wouldn't actually try it unless I knew a lot about the source of whatever I was trying.

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« Reply #1435 on: December 03, 2020, 02:26:55 PM »
Has anyone seen a useful effect of CBD oil? A friend gave me a little bottle. I couldn't see any benefits. It seems to everywhere though.

A friend has been a whitewater guide on the central Idaho Rivers - Middle Fork, Salmon, etc - for more than 55 years.  It can snow any night of the year up there, and the water is never warm; early/late seasons, slushy with ice.  His hands hurt every morning as he rolls out of the sleeping bag.  He rubs CBD oil into them, and claims it helps them feel enough better for another painless day of rowing.  Seems like small potatoes to build a billion-dollar industry on, but then he is not a stoner and not given to gabble - if he says it works, I'll try it.

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« Reply #1436 on: December 04, 2020, 05:21:22 AM »
Has anyone seen a useful effect of CBD oil? A friend gave me a little bottle. I couldn't see any benefits. It seems to everywhere though.

A friend has been a whitewater guide on the central Idaho Rivers - Middle Fork, Salmon, etc - for more than 55 years.  It can snow any night of the year up there, and the water is never warm; early/late seasons, slushy with ice.  His hands hurt every morning as he rolls out of the sleeping bag.  He rubs CBD oil into them, and claims it helps them feel enough better for another painless day of rowing.  Seems like small potatoes to build a billion-dollar industry on, but then he is not a stoner and not given to gabble - if he says it works, I'll try it.


A layer of any kind of oil at all would keep your hands dryer and warmer and thus less painful, though. In his application the benefit may be from the "oil" part rather than the "CBD" part.

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« Reply #1437 on: December 04, 2020, 10:12:54 AM »
Sounds like a good application for wet suits or dry suits or whatever the equipment - with gloves. I don't dive so I don't know the equipment.

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« Reply #1438 on: December 04, 2020, 10:17:30 AM »
Sounds like a good application for wet suits or dry suits or whatever the equipment - with gloves. I don't dive so I don't know the equipment.

Diving suits probably aren't the best for rafting.  But there are sailing wetsuits and drysuits that might suffice for this. 

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« Reply #1439 on: December 04, 2020, 10:38:03 AM »
I gave my now deceased kitty Sibley CBD treats in an attempt to help her arthritis. There's a lot of woo out there about CBD, but the cat was more comfortable and moved better as evidenced by her behavior and activity level. And it was a pretty clear improvement over about a week's time once I started her on it. My conclusion was that it seemed to reduce inflammation related to the arthritis, thus reducing discomfort. More than that, we need quality research and standardized products to really understand and use it effectively. I bought the treats from a website that was as legit seeming as I could find.

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« Reply #1440 on: December 04, 2020, 10:40:52 AM »
Invited to a Pampered Chef event... uh thanks, but no thanks.