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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1100 on: March 27, 2019, 06:54:12 AM »
My favorite peddler of overpriced protein powder just posted her "money saving" weekly grocery plan. This includes:
meal kit delivery
$100 per week(!!!) on their shakes and other nutritional products
InstaCart grocery delivery

Total cost for a family of 3 is $250 per week(!!), but this "saves them money" because they're not tempted to get takeout or delivery.

I'm skeptical...

That is a lot of money per week, even in my (very) spending days we never got close to that amount, and we ate like kings plus I have a food hoarding tendency (working on it). Though I guess "saving money" is very perspective dependent. If they were spending $300 per week, then they are technically saving $50/week (more likely they are blowing it on something else).

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1101 on: March 27, 2019, 07:13:04 AM »

Then he went off..."I think I'd rather my wife have an addiction to gambling than be an MLM person. At least with gambling it's fun and maybe you might win some money at some point..."

Quote of the day.  Your husband is totally right.  Plus, you don't annoy all your friends with a gambling addition. 

Of course, a gambling addiction is nothing to make light of, but he has a point.

I used to deal with pro athletes frequently. Several mentioned the danger of having a stay-at-home wife (as most did given their incomes) who wanted to start her own business. After all, she saw the success of her husband (totally unrelated, of course), was living large herself, and figured that she had what it took to be successful as a businesswoman. One guy told me he told his wife to take an additional $10,000 a month and do whatever she wanted if she would not start a business. He had seen too many of his teammates's wives lose six- and even seven figures with their "businesses."

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1102 on: April 19, 2019, 12:11:38 AM »
Today I discovered* that being a member of an MLM is explicitly called out as a fireable offense at my company.

* I was looking through the rules of employment to see what steps I'd need to follow the day I decide to quit

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1103 on: April 19, 2019, 08:19:51 AM »
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Today I discovered* that being a member of an MLM is explicitly called out as a fireable offense at my company.

This is understandable, considering how disruptive MLM marketers can be in the workplace (not to mention the amount of company time they spend on their "business").

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1104 on: April 19, 2019, 08:50:21 AM »
Today I discovered* that being a member of an MLM is explicitly called out as a fireable offense at my company.

* I was looking through the rules of employment to see what steps I'd need to follow the day I decide to quit

Wow- that's insane. I wonder if it is enforceable. Lots of people are "discount only" in companies, and never sell to anyone else. So could it even be considered moonlighting?

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1105 on: April 19, 2019, 10:56:02 AM »
Thanks to this thread I am now familiar with the brand Luluroe (or however it is spelled). I was searching on ThredUp recently and came across a bunch of their leggings. Hot damn, they are shockingly ugly. I’d be willing to give them a try at $9 each if they came in solid black or dark gray. Shocking colors in strange, large  patterns? Do people really wear this stuff?

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1106 on: April 19, 2019, 11:11:32 AM »
Do people really wear this stuff?
They do, and it's horrible! Unless you are 7 years old, I really don't recommend walking around in leggings with snowmen on your butt.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1107 on: April 19, 2019, 11:36:49 AM »
Thanks to this thread I am now familiar with the brand Luluroe (or however it is spelled). I was searching on ThredUp recently and came across a bunch of their leggings. Hot damn, they are shockingly ugly. I’d be willing to give them a try at $9 each if they came in solid black or dark gray. Shocking colors in strange, large  patterns? Do people really wear this stuff?

Very popular in Iowa.

I wear them* when pregnant, and hope people excuse the ridiculous pattern due to the gigantic belly that won't fit into anything else. 

*But only because people gave them to me for free. I'm a big fan of free :)

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1108 on: April 19, 2019, 12:45:51 PM »
Thanks to this thread I am now familiar with the brand Luluroe (or however it is spelled). I was searching on ThredUp recently and came across a bunch of their leggings. Hot damn, they are shockingly ugly. I’d be willing to give them a try at $9 each if they came in solid black or dark gray. Shocking colors in strange, large  patterns? Do people really wear this stuff?

Very popular in Iowa.

I wear them* when pregnant, and hope people excuse the ridiculous pattern due to the gigantic belly that won't fit into anything else. 

*But only because people gave them to me for free. I'm a big fan of free :)

This begs the question, do you wear them often ;)

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1109 on: April 19, 2019, 01:03:04 PM »
Thanks to this thread I am now familiar with the brand Luluroe (or however it is spelled). I was searching on ThredUp recently and came across a bunch of their leggings. Hot damn, they are shockingly ugly. I’d be willing to give them a try at $9 each if they came in solid black or dark gray. Shocking colors in strange, large  patterns? Do people really wear this stuff?

Very popular in Iowa.

I wear them* when pregnant, and hope people excuse the ridiculous pattern due to the gigantic belly that won't fit into anything else. 

*But only because people gave them to me for free. I'm a big fan of free :)
In real life I almost never wear patterns.
In pregnancy I do because, like you, I am a big fan of free.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1110 on: April 19, 2019, 01:42:06 PM »
Thanks to this thread I am now familiar with the brand Luluroe (or however it is spelled). I was searching on ThredUp recently and came across a bunch of their leggings. Hot damn, they are shockingly ugly. I’d be willing to give them a try at $9 each if they came in solid black or dark gray. Shocking colors in strange, large  patterns? Do people really wear this stuff?

Very popular in Iowa.

I wear them* when pregnant, and hope people excuse the ridiculous pattern due to the gigantic belly that won't fit into anything else. 

*But only because people gave them to me for free. I'm a big fan of free :)

This begs the question, do you wear them often ;)

Pretty much every day in my third trimester when I get home from work, and every weekend.  So I spend a lot of time running around in god-awful pants, because they are SO much more comfortable on the stomach than any maternity panel.  And I'm not buying maternity leggings.

I also gave away the 3 pairs I had last pregnancy, and then got 4 new (free) pairs this pregnancy.

So really, despite the fact that I still see LLR all over the mall and grocery store, people are giving this stuff away by the truck load.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1111 on: April 19, 2019, 02:32:18 PM »
Maybe that explains why there are a bazillion pairs for sale on ThredUP for $9.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1112 on: April 19, 2019, 05:00:47 PM »
This turned up on my news feed today:

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/withoutacrystalball/2019/04/young-living-accused-of-running-illegal-pyramid-scheme-in-new-lawsuit

Spend $100 for a starter kit and $100 a month to earn commissions of $25 a year.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1113 on: May 15, 2019, 01:28:08 PM »
Today I discovered* that being a member of an MLM is explicitly called out as a fireable offense at my company.

* I was looking through the rules of employment to see what steps I'd need to follow the day I decide to quit

Wow- that's insane. I wonder if it is enforceable. Lots of people are "discount only" in companies, and never sell to anyone else. So could it even be considered moonlighting?

I think it's quite a good rule! Years ago I had a MANAGER who invited us all to her "Southern Living" party. We all felt obliged to go and to buy something. I thought at the time it was really quite horrible, but this was just after the Great Recession of 2008 (my net worth hadn't exactly gone negative but took a serious hit) and none of us were willing to risk losing favor with the boss.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1114 on: May 21, 2019, 09:22:32 AM »
Didn't know this thread existed until now.

My full post is here -- https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/family-friend-falling-hard-for-mlm-(herbalife)-but-is-it-actually-profitable/

Basically, family friend and her husband have been sucked hard into Herbalife.  In fact, both quit their day jobs (as nurse and an insurance salesman) to open a "nutrition club." Funny enough, my law office is maybe 200 feet away from this club, and I know their rent has to be $1,000+ per month. Add in other costs and I have no idea how this can be profitable.

They are so all in it's scary. Their social media is absolutely outrageous -- she cries almost daily in Instagram stories talking about how much the Herbalife "community" means to her and how she cannot wait to bring "good vibes" to our hometown.

As my post suggested, part of me wonders if, maybe, they are the one percent? I can see one SAHP getting involved in this, but for both people to quit decent paying professional jobs and open up a store, maybe they are doing well? Can they possibly be making $10,000 a month?

So, so confused.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1115 on: May 21, 2019, 09:30:47 AM »
Didn't know this thread existed until now.

My full post is here -- https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/family-friend-falling-hard-for-mlm-(herbalife)-but-is-it-actually-profitable/

Basically, family friend and her husband have been sucked hard into Herbalife.  In fact, both quit their day jobs (as nurse and an insurance salesman) to open a "nutrition club." Funny enough, my law office is maybe 200 feet away from this club, and I know their rent has to be $1,000+ per month. Add in other costs and I have no idea how this can be profitable.

They are so all in it's scary. Their social media is absolutely outrageous -- she cries almost daily in Instagram stories talking about how much the Herbalife "community" means to her and how she cannot wait to bring "good vibes" to our hometown.

As my post suggested, part of me wonders if, maybe, they are the one percent? I can see one SAHP getting involved in this, but for both people to quit decent paying professional jobs and open up a store, maybe they are doing well? Can they possibly be making $10,000 a month?

So, so confused.

The vast majority of MLM bottom feeders don't make nearly that much. I feel sad for them.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1116 on: May 21, 2019, 10:16:09 AM »
Didn't know this thread existed until now.

My full post is here -- https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/family-friend-falling-hard-for-mlm-(herbalife)-but-is-it-actually-profitable/

Basically, family friend and her husband have been sucked hard into Herbalife.  In fact, both quit their day jobs (as nurse and an insurance salesman) to open a "nutrition club." Funny enough, my law office is maybe 200 feet away from this club, and I know their rent has to be $1,000+ per month. Add in other costs and I have no idea how this can be profitable.

They are so all in it's scary. Their social media is absolutely outrageous -- she cries almost daily in Instagram stories talking about how much the Herbalife "community" means to her and how she cannot wait to bring "good vibes" to our hometown.

As my post suggested, part of me wonders if, maybe, they are the one percent? I can see one SAHP getting involved in this, but for both people to quit decent paying professional jobs and open up a store, maybe they are doing well? Can they possibly be making $10,000 a month?

So, so confused.

The vast majority of MLM bottom feeders don't make nearly that much. I feel sad for them.

What I think makes it especially sad is that her current "downline" is almost all friends and family trying to support her, and I think that's created a false sense of hope. These folks are not going to go out and sell the product for them. So, now what?

I know from their social media that they are already on the Herbalife "World Team," which means their royalties are $1,000 - $2,500. Their rent at this new place is $950/month minimum, plus internet, other expenses -- oh, and buying more product. How could this possibly be profitable with $2,000/month (at least) overhead?

I don't know why this has captivated me so much, but I honestly can't look away at this point.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1117 on: May 21, 2019, 11:08:40 AM »
Anyone else hear about Advocare eliminating the MLM part of their business model?  Going to direct sales only...  Curious if this will hit other companies in the near future.

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AdvoCare International announces a revision of its business model from multi-level marketing to a direct-to-consumer and single-level marketing compensation plan.

AdvoCare has been in confidential talks with the Federal Trade Commission about the AdvoCare business model and how AdvoCare compensates its Distributors. The planned change will impact Distributors who have participated in the multi-level aspect of the business. Those who currently sell only to customers will not be impacted and there will be no impact on Preferred Customers or retail customers’ ability to purchase products.

“Over the years, we have made many changes to the AdvoCare policies as the regulatory environment has shifted. Based on recent discussions, it became clear that this change is the only viable option,”

says Patrick Wright, AdvoCare’s Chief Executive Officer.

“Regardless of the model, we remain steadfastly committed to providing our high-quality nutritional products to our loyal customers who are seeking to live healthier lives. We stand behind the integrity and values of this company and will continue to work with our dedicated Distributors to provide the best customer service to ensure AdvoCare products are available for decades to come.”

The company gave notice to its more than 100,000 Distributors on May 17 that, effective July 17, 2019, AdvoCare will revise the business model to a single-level distribution model, paying compensation based solely on sales to direct customers.

The Retail and Preferred Customer programs will remain intact with discounts ranging from 20 – 40 percent. This new business model will allow the company to explore new and innovative ways to bring their premium products to market.

“AdvoCare Distributors have been helping change lives since its founding in 1993, by providing premium wellness products to those looking to reach new health and fitness goals – and that will not change,” says AdvoCare’s former CEO and current Chairman of the Board Reid Ward. “We’re proud of the growth of our Preferred Customer program we launched in 2016, which has grown to almost 400,000 discount customers. We look forward to reaching even more customers with a new business model.”

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1118 on: May 21, 2019, 11:15:28 AM »
Didn't know this thread existed until now.

My full post is here -- https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/family-friend-falling-hard-for-mlm-(herbalife)-but-is-it-actually-profitable/

Basically, family friend and her husband have been sucked hard into Herbalife.  In fact, both quit their day jobs (as nurse and an insurance salesman) to open a "nutrition club." Funny enough, my law office is maybe 200 feet away from this club, and I know their rent has to be $1,000+ per month. Add in other costs and I have no idea how this can be profitable.

They are so all in it's scary. Their social media is absolutely outrageous -- she cries almost daily in Instagram stories talking about how much the Herbalife "community" means to her and how she cannot wait to bring "good vibes" to our hometown.

As my post suggested, part of me wonders if, maybe, they are the one percent? I can see one SAHP getting involved in this, but for both people to quit decent paying professional jobs and open up a store, maybe they are doing well? Can they possibly be making $10,000 a month?

So, so confused.

The vast majority of MLM bottom feeders don't make nearly that much. I feel sad for them.

What I think makes it especially sad is that her current "downline" is almost all friends and family trying to support her, and I think that's created a false sense of hope. These folks are not going to go out and sell the product for them. So, now what?

I know from their social media that they are already on the Herbalife "World Team," which means their royalties are $1,000 - $2,500. Their rent at this new place is $950/month minimum, plus internet, other expenses -- oh, and buying more product. How could this possibly be profitable with $2,000/month (at least) overhead?

I don't know why this has captivated me so much, but I honestly can't look away at this point.

I haven't read your thread yet, but did anyone mention "Betting on Zero"?  Seems like those "nutrition stores" pop up and die fairly frequently.

According to this website, looks like "World Team" is still pretty low on the pyramid.

https://herbalifetruth.weebly.com/

I can't seem to look away from these wrecks either.  I don't know anyone personally who has really crashed and burned in flames of glory with MLMs, but do know a few who have tried and failed, or are still trying and still failing.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1119 on: May 21, 2019, 11:18:58 AM »
They are so all in it's scary. Their social media is absolutely outrageous -- she cries almost daily in Instagram stories talking about how much the Herbalife "community" means to her and how she cannot wait to bring "good vibes" to our hometown.

they use templates for email/social media, etc. based on mood, target, etc. It isn't their words.
BS in, BS out.

you should tell her that there are plenty of good vibes in the town that she should not mess with. as if she'll listen, she's 99.9% brainwashed.
people who get into MLM are brainwashed before they officially join.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1120 on: May 21, 2019, 11:26:24 AM »
Anyone else hear about Advocare eliminating the MLM part of their business model?  Going to direct sales only...  Curious if this will hit other companies in the near future.

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AdvoCare International announces a revision of its business model from multi-level marketing to a direct-to-consumer and single-level marketing compensation plan.

AdvoCare has been in confidential talks with the Federal Trade Commission about the AdvoCare business model and how AdvoCare compensates its Distributors. The planned change will impact Distributors who have participated in the multi-level aspect of the business. Those who currently sell only to customers will not be impacted and there will be no impact on Preferred Customers or retail customers’ ability to purchase products.

“Over the years, we have made many changes to the AdvoCare policies as the regulatory environment has shifted. Based on recent discussions, it became clear that this change is the only viable option,”

says Patrick Wright, AdvoCare’s Chief Executive Officer.


“Regardless of the model, we remain steadfastly committed to providing our high-quality nutritional products to our loyal customers who are seeking to live healthier lives. We stand behind the integrity and values of this company and will continue to work with our dedicated Distributors to provide the best customer service to ensure AdvoCare products are available for decades to come.”

The company gave notice to its more than 100,000 Distributors on May 17 that, effective July 17, 2019, AdvoCare will revise the business model to a single-level distribution model, paying compensation based solely on sales to direct customers.

The Retail and Preferred Customer programs will remain intact with discounts ranging from 20 – 40 percent. This new business model will allow the company to explore new and innovative ways to bring their premium products to market.

“AdvoCare Distributors have been helping change lives since its founding in 1993, by providing premium wellness products to those looking to reach new health and fitness goals – and that will not change,” says AdvoCare’s former CEO and current Chairman of the Board Reid Ward. “We’re proud of the growth of our Preferred Customer program we launched in 2016, which has grown to almost 400,000 discount customers. We look forward to reaching even more customers with a new business model.”

That is really interesting! I am curious how some of the current upper level distributors will feel about this change and how it will effect their income. Based upon the comment from their CEO I wonder if more MLM's will move to this model or how they will change their structure. Most of the MLM's I have come in contact with actually have quality products, but the MLM structure leads to them being overpriced.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #1121 on: May 21, 2019, 11:44:39 AM »

I haven't read your thread yet, but did anyone mention "Betting on Zero"?  Seems like those "nutrition stores" pop up and die fairly frequently.

According to this website, looks like "World Team" is still pretty low on the pyramid.

https://herbalifetruth.weebly.com/

I can't seem to look away from these wrecks either.  I don't know anyone personally who has really crashed and burned in flames of glory with MLMs, but do know a few who have tried and failed, or are still trying and still failing.

Is it me, or do all those levels seem like the insane levels in Scientology?

ETA: didn't think it could get worse, but here's the benefit of the next level ("Active World Team") -- $500 bonus, on-stage recognition, and a pin. That's it. Good heavens.
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