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« on: October 16, 2014, 08:34:24 PM »
I've never understood why pickup trucks are so expensive.
http://jalopnik.com/holy-crap-pickup-trucks-have-gotten-expensive-1647230940
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So then we move on to options. Now, I would like to get package 302A, which adds a remote starter, and backup beepers, and MyFord Touch. But it costs $5,245, and I've decided I would rather spend that money on a 2002 Honda Accord than one single option package.


One guy at my company recently bought a new Tundra with the CrewMax cab because he needs space for his kid(s). No word on whether he needs to haul cargo and his kid(s) at the same time. The minimum configuration I could come up with for this on Toyota's website costs $33.5k and gets 15/19 mpg (edit: it has the 5.7L V8 and probably 4x4, which means it's $38k+ and gets 13/17 mpg). This is of course his daily driver. Then he complains that the bed is too short to haul some bigger items. Well then maybe you should have bought a used pickup with a regular cab and full size bed AND an economy sedan/hatchback for commuting!? I'd betting it's financed up to the hilt if not leased...
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2014, 10:12:04 PM »
At least they hold their value?  I really wish I could buy a truely stripped down TRUCK instead of the rolling feature packed clown cars they are these days. Vinyl floors or no deal.



Also, a bit of irony for y'all:
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2014, 10:18:24 PM »
New trucks are insane.  I have a 2000 F-250 XLT 4x4 extended cab that I paid $7800 for over 5 years ago.  It has always run like a champ, and was immaculate inside and out when I bought it @99,000 miles (I took care of that immaculate part).  Similar new GMC truck, with discounts, sitting outside of CostCo?  $56,000!  There is no way that new truck is 7X as good as my truck.

The Tundras do hold their value, but I find the American trucks do not, and it's easy enough to find a nice clean used one that someone had either as a second vehicle, or never really used as a "truck" for a steal.

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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2014, 03:36:09 AM »
We drive to the city to buy used trucks. :-)

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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2014, 05:11:08 AM »
The best part of it all is how many of these grossly overpriced, needless poor decisions come with nearly useless beds!  Four doors, a backseat the size of a sofa, terrible fuel economy, outrageous cost, and when it comes to actually using the thing to perform any actual WORK, well, we have a problem. Seems that the "El King Ranchomondo" level rig comes with genuine hand stitched whale foreskin seats, and a heated glove box, but the bed is only five feet long, and it's a tight squeeze for two bags of garbage and a cat. Nothing like 14MPGs, and a $600/month mortgage for something that's useless as tits on a mule. God bless the USA.
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2014, 08:39:02 AM »
New trucks are insane.  I have a 2000 F-250 XLT 4x4 extended cab that I paid $7800 for over 5 years ago.  It has always run like a champ, and was immaculate inside and out when I bought it @99,000 miles (I took care of that immaculate part).  Similar new GMC truck, with discounts, sitting outside of CostCo?  $56,000!  There is no way that new truck is 7X as good as my truck.

The Tundras do hold their value, but I find the American trucks do not, and it's easy enough to find a nice clean used one that someone had either as a second vehicle, or never really used as a "truck" for a steal.

I bought a mid-90s Nissan Pickup for $1500 about 8-9 years ago. It was the 4-cylinder, 2-wheel-drive, manual transmission model with no power anything (not even power steering). Small cab with a single bench seat but a decent sized bed which I used to haul around a couch and other bulky items for a few moves. I sold it a few years later for $1700.

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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2014, 09:30:08 AM »
The best part of it all is how many of these grossly overpriced, needless poor decisions come with nearly useless beds!  Four doors, a backseat the size of a sofa, terrible fuel economy, outrageous cost, and when it comes to actually using the thing to perform any actual WORK, well, we have a problem. Seems that the "El King Ranchomondo" level rig comes with genuine hand stitched whale foreskin seats, and a heated glove box, but the bed is only five feet long, and it's a tight squeeze for two bags of garbage and a cat. Nothing like 14MPGs, and a $600/month mortgage for something that's useless as tits on a mule. God bless the USA.

hahahaha. this is one of my favorite posts ever.

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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2014, 09:40:08 AM »
New trucks are insane.  I have a 2000 F-250 XLT 4x4 extended cab that I paid $7800 for over 5 years ago.  It has always run like a champ, and was immaculate inside and out when I bought it @99,000 miles (I took care of that immaculate part).  Similar new GMC truck, with discounts, sitting outside of CostCo?  $56,000!  There is no way that new truck is 7X as good as my truck.

The Tundras do hold their value, but I find the American trucks do not, and it's easy enough to find a nice clean used one that someone had either as a second vehicle, or never really used as a "truck" for a steal.

I bought a mid-90s Nissan Pickup for $1500 about 8-9 years ago. It was the 4-cylinder, 2-wheel-drive, manual transmission model with no power anything (not even power steering). Small cab with a single bench seat but a decent sized bed which I used to haul around a couch and other bulky items for a few moves. I sold it a few years later for $1700.

I'll throw my brag out:  I traded an extra large pizza (with everything on it) for my 1981 Chevy pickup.  It is ugly and rusty.  It has badly applied "flame stickers" on one side only... Instead of trailing back like the truck is going fast, the flames go up as if the tires were on fire.   When my dad rides with me, he puts on safety glasses because he says little pieces of dashboard hit him in the eyes.

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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2014, 10:17:07 AM »
The best part of it all is how many of these grossly overpriced, needless poor decisions come with nearly useless beds!  Four doors, a backseat the size of a sofa, terrible fuel economy, outrageous cost, and when it comes to actually using the thing to perform any actual WORK, well, we have a problem. Seems that the "El King Ranchomondo" level rig comes with genuine hand stitched whale foreskin seats, and a heated glove box, but the bed is only five feet long, and it's a tight squeeze for two bags of garbage and a cat. Nothing like 14MPGs, and a $600/month mortgage for something that's useless as tits on a mule. God bless the USA.

Padded, your rant reminded me of another famous rant.  The best part is at 2:47.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs


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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2014, 10:24:26 AM »
I bought a 2001 F150 extended cab with a cap for $3,300.00  I have about $1,000 in it so far the rear end needed a bearing.  Has 160,000 miles and does well.  I bike to work most days and currently my father is borrowing the truck because his Suburban broke down.  I know many hate the idea of the trucks and the gas mileage.  I went a few years without one and when I need to do work on my rentals, go hunting, or any other thing that a car doesn't always do well.  I love having the truck.  I wouldn't buy a new one ever again.  In 2001 I bought a 2000 GMC at the used price of 21k with 30,000 miles on it.  My silly self paid 6% interest on that loan and then sadly traded it once paid off and got a silly 8k or even swap for a newer Ford Van.  At the time I was working as a carpenter and needed the van to haul my tools etc... around.

Cheap trucks do exist if your willing to look and do not need the newest.  I actually have wind up windows on my truck and a vinyl floor.  Although that may be disappearing.

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2014, 11:02:49 AM »
New trucks are insane.  I have a 2000 F-250 XLT 4x4 extended cab that I paid $7800 for over 5 years ago.  It has always run like a champ, and was immaculate inside and out when I bought it @99,000 miles (I took care of that immaculate part).  Similar new GMC truck, with discounts, sitting outside of CostCo?  $56,000!  There is no way that new truck is 7X as good as my truck.

The Tundras do hold their value, but I find the American trucks do not, and it's easy enough to find a nice clean used one that someone had either as a second vehicle, or never really used as a "truck" for a steal.

I bought a mid-90s Nissan Pickup for $1500 about 8-9 years ago. It was the 4-cylinder, 2-wheel-drive, manual transmission model with no power anything (not even power steering). Small cab with a single bench seat but a decent sized bed which I used to haul around a couch and other bulky items for a few moves. I sold it a few years later for $1700.

I'll throw my brag out:  I traded an extra large pizza (with everything on it) for my 1981 Chevy pickup.  It is ugly and rusty.  It has badly applied "flame stickers" on one side only... Instead of trailing back like the truck is going fast, the flames go up as if the tires were on fire.   When my dad rides with me, he puts on safety glasses because he says little pieces of dashboard hit him in the eyes.

That part about the flame direction actually made me laugh out loud!

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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2014, 12:37:15 PM »
The article was hilarious... I think MMM is sidelining on Jalopnik.  Anyways, my favorite quote:

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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2014, 02:00:53 PM »


That is what you think it is. An escalade pickup truck. Look at the bed. Nobody's using it to haul anything but their ego. Or insecurity.

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2014, 02:02:55 PM »

That is what you think it is. An escalade pickup truck. Look at the bed. Nobody's using it to haul anything but their ego. Or insecurity.

or their very small penis

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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2014, 03:57:13 PM »

That is what you think it is. An escalade pickup truck. Look at the bed. Nobody's using it to haul anything but their ego. Or insecurity.

or their very small penis


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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2014, 04:45:28 PM »
That is what you think it is. An escalade pickup truck. Look at the bed. Nobody's using it to haul anything but their ego. Or insecurity.

It could be worse. The Lincoln equivalent had a bed with a hard tonneau cover and carpet!

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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2014, 11:04:38 PM »

That is what you think it is. An escalade pickup truck. Look at the bed. Nobody's using it to haul anything but their ego. Or insecurity.

or their very small penis

Even with a small bed like that, you can haul around a lot of small penises.

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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2014, 04:31:10 AM »
The best part of it all is how many of these grossly overpriced, needless poor decisions come with nearly useless beds!  Four doors, a backseat the size of a sofa, terrible fuel economy, outrageous cost, and when it comes to actually using the thing to perform any actual WORK, well, we have a problem. Seems that the "El King Ranchomondo" level rig comes with genuine hand stitched whale foreskin seats, and a heated glove box, but the bed is only five feet long, and it's a tight squeeze for two bags of garbage and a cat. Nothing like 14MPGs, and a $600/month mortgage for something that's useless as tits on a mule. God bless the USA.

To be fair, the whale foreskin seats hold their resale value very well.

I got the whale foreskin steering wheel cover for my Silverado, but not the seats.  Wish I had them...

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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2014, 03:49:53 PM »
Four years ago I purchased (ok, took a loan out) an 06 Toyota Tundra double cab.  Not the newer body style, but the older one with a longer bed.  Purchase price was 17500.00.  As of today, I actually own it, and it's worth 13k according to Kbb.

Toyotas do hold their value.i actually use this truck AS a truck (on site contractor/cabinetmaker).

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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2014, 04:05:07 PM »
I bought a brand new truck once (not very mustachian but in a way not so bad) during the cash for clunkers deal.  Traded a 91 F150 that was completely falling apart and got $4,500 back.  GM was desperate at the time and I got a stripped down basic Silverado single cab, full bed, no extras beyond AC and paid under $15k brand new.  I may have bought the last truck with non electric windows!!!  Perfect for my small farm, and should last a long time based on the few miles I used it for.  It only gets used if I need to use the bed or the towing capacity.

In contrast, my friends who drive trucks don't seem to be able to spend less than twice that, drive them for every errand around town, and almost never use the bed, rarely or never tow anything, but fulfills their odd need to say they drive a truck. 

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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2014, 09:14:24 PM »
New trucks are insane.  I have a 2000 F-250 XLT 4x4 extended cab that I paid $7800 for over 5 years ago.  It has always run like a champ, and was immaculate inside and out when I bought it @99,000 miles (I took care of that immaculate part).  Similar new GMC truck, with discounts, sitting outside of CostCo?  $56,000!  There is no way that new truck is 7X as good as my truck.

The Tundras do hold their value, but I find the American trucks do not, and it's easy enough to find a nice clean used one that someone had either as a second vehicle, or never really used as a "truck" for a steal.

I bought a mid-90s Nissan Pickup for $1500 about 8-9 years ago. It was the 4-cylinder, 2-wheel-drive, manual transmission model with no power anything (not even power steering). Small cab with a single bench seat but a decent sized bed which I used to haul around a couch and other bulky items for a few moves. I sold it a few years later for $1700.

Well done with that deal!  Wouldn't exactly work for towing a horse trailer though.  It seems like truck values sort of flatline at a certain point.  Mine is a V10, and I bought it when gas was $4/gallon, in the dead of winter when the economy was in the crapper.  Seems to be worth as much or more than I paid for it now, almost six years later.  It should still be worth at least $5K five or so years from now, when I MIGHT consider selling it.  Dependability becomes an issue when towing around flighty 1,200 pound animals in an aluminum box behind the truck.

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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2014, 09:50:23 PM »
New trucks are insane.  I have a 2000 F-250 XLT 4x4 extended cab that I paid $7800 for over 5 years ago.  It has always run like a champ, and was immaculate inside and out when I bought it @99,000 miles (I took care of that immaculate part).  Similar new GMC truck, with discounts, sitting outside of CostCo?  $56,000!  There is no way that new truck is 7X as good as my truck.

The Tundras do hold their value, but I find the American trucks do not, and it's easy enough to find a nice clean used one that someone had either as a second vehicle, or never really used as a "truck" for a steal.

I bought a mid-90s Nissan Pickup for $1500 about 8-9 years ago. It was the 4-cylinder, 2-wheel-drive, manual transmission model with no power anything (not even power steering). Small cab with a single bench seat but a decent sized bed which I used to haul around a couch and other bulky items for a few moves. I sold it a few years later for $1700.

Well done with that deal!  Wouldn't exactly work for towing a horse trailer though.  It seems like truck values sort of flatline at a certain point.  Mine is a V10, and I bought it when gas was $4/gallon, in the dead of winter when the economy was in the crapper.  Seems to be worth as much or more than I paid for it now, almost six years later.  It should still be worth at least $5K five or so years from now, when I MIGHT consider selling it.  Dependability becomes an issue when towing around flighty 1,200 pound animals in an aluminum box behind the truck.

Fortunately I owned no horses. The hardest workload I threw at it was bulky furniture. Reliability wasn't a huge concern as it was not my only vehicle, but it ended up only needing one small repair in the approximately two years I owned it. It was so simple there was hardly anything that could break in the first place. The fuel efficiency was fairly decent for a truck (current EPA rating is 19/24 mpg).
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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2014, 09:36:18 PM »
I love old crappy pickups.

Give me something that gets 10mpg or so ('cause I won't drive it much), turns like the Queen Elizabeth 2 (the ship, not the monarch), and has a body that I'm not going to freak out when I'm loading brush into the bed and a branch falls out, scratching the side.  Oh, and an old radio that doesn't drain the battery at all.  It's awesome to have a truck that you can leave a month or two without turning on, and come back to a battery that still has enough charge to turn over the motor.

I may end up picking up a pickup like this sooner or later, even though I have access to another truck, just because I want to sell my car yet keep my insurance (mini-rant:  Why does my insurance rate go up if I don't own a vehicle?).

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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2014, 10:57:31 AM »
I love old crappy pickups.

I may end up picking up a pickup like this sooner or later, even though I have access to another truck, just because I want to sell my car yet keep my insurance (mini-rant:  Why does my insurance rate go up if I don't own a vehicle?).

What insurance is going up if you don't have a vehicle?  Here we have to have insurance on every registered vehicle, not on people. 

If your insurance is just on yourself, maybe the rate would be higher because car thieves wreck the cars so often.

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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2014, 03:25:37 PM »
That is what you think it is. An escalade pickup truck. Look at the bed. Nobody's using it to haul anything but their ego. Or insecurity.

It could be worse. The Lincoln equivalent had a bed with a hard tonneau cover and carpet!

I thought there was an option too where it was highly polished / coated wood. So even more useless.

Most of the new trucks are insanely expensive BUT I will say this, they are usually much cheaper in the actual transaction than the sticker prices imply. Around here it is common for $10k off a Chevy, close to that for a Ford, and maybe $6k off a Dodge. Not saying they are smart buys (and most definitely not MMM) but if I could get a new Dodge Ram Ecodiesel 4x4 for around 25k I'd probably do it (after it's been out long enough to find out what issues they might have).

The current laughable phenomenon around here though are "factory" lifted / accessorized trucks. I don't think they are actually done at the factory but at an intermediary between factory and dealer. In any case, ~6 inch lift, stupid looking wheels, knobby tires, and the obligatory step bars and brush guards.

I really don't know WHO are buying these things. I am painting with a broad brush here, but there used to be a rather sizable union contingent that made 60k+ per year and would buy expensive trucks, boats, etc. But there are very few of these jobs left and the benefits aren't as good. I do see a fair amount of management guys driving loaded trucks, especially Rams, that even with discounts are around $50k. Based on the pay scales at my company they aren't spending a significant amount of their income on car payments.

I think though a lot of young farmers buy loaded pickups and write it off as a business expense.

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« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2014, 03:32:46 PM »
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I think though a lot of young farmers buy loaded pickups and write it off as a business expense.

Maybe. I've driven through a hell of a lot of farmland, though, and most of the cars are pickup trucks, and most of the pickup trucks look to be 10-15 years old and are fairly small. I see the new huge trucks being used as converted box trucks (for example: uhaul, ambulances, and the like), converted tow trucks, non-converted tow trucks (I got passed uphill at 80mph by an F-350 towing three more F-350s - not bad), or for towing trailers and RVs. And of course for mudding, and as dick extensions that stay clean. But most farm trucks I see look like farm trucks. Hell, even the country boys buying the trucks to race usually get something old and modified / modify it.

Thing is, farming isn't really a cash cow. It's hard to buy a loaded $50k truck on $30k income. Yes, there is credit, but no matter how you slice it, it's pretty damn hard (among other things, getting the loan with that sort of income is hard).

Nah, you wanna know who is buying those things? Go to any major city, especially any major city in the south, especially Texas. That's who. They're not farm boys.

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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2014, 02:27:10 PM »
In the millionaire next door didn't the author say the most popular car for millionaires was a Ford F150...and that happened to be the best $/pound of car ratio you could get.

say 26k for a new F150 base model weights 5k lbs...thats $5.20/lb of car.

a Smart FourTwo (smallest car I can think of) tips the scales at $13.7k new and 1610b curb weight...over $8/lb of car.

Nissan Versa...gets close!!! 14k and 2400lbs...$5.80/lb of car!!



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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2014, 03:01:50 PM »
In the millionaire next door didn't the author say the most popular car for millionaires was a Ford F150...and that happened to be the best $/pound of car ratio you could get.

say 26k for a new F150 base model weights 5k lbs...thats $5.20/lb of car.

a Smart FourTwo (smallest car I can think of) tips the scales at $13.7k new and 1610b curb weight...over $8/lb of car.

Nissan Versa...gets close!!! 14k and 2400lbs...$5.80/lb of car!!

I'm sorry, but judging vehicles on $/# is the dumbest thing I have heard.
And the F150 is the most popular among millionaires because it's basically the best selling vehicle in america for like 30 years.

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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2014, 07:22:39 PM »

In the millionaire next door didn't the author say the most popular car for millionaires was a Ford F150...and that happened to be the best $/pound of car ratio you could get.

say 26k for a new F150 base model weights 5k lbs...thats $5.20/lb of car.

a Smart FourTwo (smallest car I can think of) tips the scales at $13.7k new and 1610b curb weight...over $8/lb of car.

Nissan Versa...gets close!!! 14k and 2400lbs...$5.80/lb of car!!

I'm sorry, but judging vehicles on $/# is the dumbest thing I have heard.
And the F150 is the most popular among millionaires because it's basically the best selling vehicle in america for like 30 years.

I'm just telling you what the book said...I'm sure it was tongue in cheek as was my post...

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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2014, 08:58:07 PM »
On a slightly side note, relevant to the conversation of options and upgrades. I was curious to see what the 2015 challenger hellcat costs (around $60k). I mean, 700 and change is insane for a stock horsepower rating. Now, I wanted to see the options. Turns out, unlike these cars, there more or less are none (online). The base price includes pretty much everything except a few non-interesting cosmetic things, and an automatic transmission. (Automatic tranny on a 700 hp muscle car? Get the fuck out.)

That's how you sell a car, from my consumer point of view. "Here's the car. Here's the price. Here's a list of 10 things at most you can change."

I am also somewhat impressed by the 20 combined mpg of a 700 hp supercharged V8.

I also learned that SUVs and pickup trucks don't have to pay a gas guzzler tax. Can you imagine? A normal car does, if it doesn't meet certain EPA standards, and the less efficient the more you pay in tax ($1700 for the challenger, up to $7500 I think for some ferraris or lambos or whatever.) But the law was written back when SUVs and pickup trucks were used commercially, so they were exempt. Now, and especially for the past 15 years, every asshole buying a hummer or a pickup truck escalade has not had to pay the tax. I don't entirely agree that the tax should be there (you can tax gas itself), but since it's there, it's a ridiculous loophole that probably at least half the cars sold squeeze through (more like a looparch than a loophole, at this point. It's pretty big.)

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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2014, 09:05:52 PM »
My husband goes along with most of my ideas.  He will accept occassional meatless meals,  comparison shopping, waiting for sales, getting the last drop out of the toothpaste tube, etc, etc....  but if I even hinted at him getting rid of his F-150 pick up it would be game over.  He will never be without a pickup truck.  He doesn't need it real often, but if he does its there.  That's okay.  He can keep the truck.  He doesn't ask for much. 

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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2014, 09:10:35 PM »

That is what you think it is. An escalade pickup truck. Look at the bed. Nobody's using it to haul anything but their ego. Or insecurity.

or their very small penis




So you are saying that by buying one of these, it compensates for having a small penis?  Nice, I have to go now, uh I need to go help a er friend buy one of these. 

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Re: Pickup truck costs
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2014, 08:16:04 AM »
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I think though a lot of young farmers buy loaded pickups and write it off as a business expense.

Maybe. I've driven through a hell of a lot of farmland, though, and most of the cars are pickup trucks, and most of the pickup trucks look to be 10-15 years old and are fairly small.

I think it depends where you are. They are most definitely not impoverished around here. They know how to game the system (not saying it in a bad way... just saying) to maximize their income. They aren't 10 acre farms, they are 1000 acres+. I do remember a time when I was younger where you did see a lot of older trucks and equipment but I believe the IL tax laws were restructured to make it much more favorable to buy new stuff than keep old stuff going. Also with farms that big, up time is critical so I think they've gotten away from fixing old stuff to buying new, reliable stuff. There are also a lot of young farmers following in the family's footsteps, and they like their diesel trucks. Not all of them are new but I consider in the last 10 years to be "newer" so that does kind of fit in with what  you are saying.

I agree with you on Texas though! But that's good for "us". There's a small "industry" around here where used Texas trucks are brought up to Illinois and sold. We would take an older truck with some wear over a newer truck with a bunch of rust any day of the week.

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Re: Pickup truck costs
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2014, 02:29:40 PM »


That is what you think it is. An escalade pickup truck. Look at the bed. Nobody's using it to haul anything but their ego. Or insecurity.

actually, I'm looking for one of these. Well used, and around $6000. Reason being, you can haul a fridge or other large appliance in the bed by removing the hard tonneau cover sections. (You can't do that in a suburban. Or a full size van. We tried.)

Then you can haul 12' lumber by folding down the mid gate and having it go from dash to tailgate.  You could do this with a suburban, but not with a regular pickup truck.

Then you can cover the bed with the tonneau cover, and fold down the mid gate, to insert full sheets of drywall that can be kept dry.

I'm not defending overpriced and useless trucks as a whole, just the avalanche and it's sisters. They are exactly what I need.  In a few years when I own more rental properties, I will have to buy one, as it is getting expensive to pay my handyman every time I need to move something larger than 5 ft, which is all that fits in my sedan.