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« Reply #450 on: September 28, 2018, 04:00:42 PM »
And on a more direct and specific example, here's a 2007 paper from the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1905885/

The entirety of the paper's conclusions are as follows:

"Spinal manipulation, particularly when performed on the upper spine, is frequently associated with mild to moderate adverse effects. It can also result in serious complications such as vertebral artery dissection followed by stroke. Currently, the incidence of such events is not known. In the interest of patient safety we should reconsider our policy towards the routine use of spinal manipulation."

Here's the American Heart Association in 2014, warning that "most population controlled studies have found an association between CMT (cervical manipulative therapy) and VAD stroke in young patients": https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/str.0000000000000016

Here's the case which started with the British Chiropractic Association suing journalist Simon Singh for libel, and ended with every major British party pledging libel law reform and a quarter of the BCA's members coming under investigation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Chiropractic_Association_v_Singh.

My cousin ended up having an artery dissection after a neck manipulation. She has had a couple of strokes since. Early 30s single mother of 2, such a sad story.

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« Reply #451 on: September 30, 2018, 09:51:21 AM »
However, it doesn't change the fact that chiropract*ic* (FTFY)  as a profession is quackery and not rooted in any scientific base.   It descends from a long tradition of snake oils salesmanship, and will continue to be around as long as the placebo effects exists and the venn diagram intersection of people with painful ailments and people wanting a quick fix is not zero.

Chiropractic is rooted in science, just as medical practice is, just as physiotherapy is, just as massage therapy is.  And just because you see chiropractic practiced in your part of the world as woooo woooo, doesn't mean the whole profession is like that.  As you said, there are good and bad doctors, lawyers, hair stylists, etc.  But just because there are bad doctors, it doesn't mean the whole profession is baseless.  And just because some lawyers are unethical, it doesn't mean that the profession is corrupt.

Chiropractic care, specifically spinal manipulative therapy, has been shown to be effective far beyond placebo for many neuromusculoskeletal problems.  (What I find really interesting, is that physiotherapists are more and more starting to use spinal manipulation with their clientele...)

In previous discussions here,
I think we learned that chiro training is different in
Canada than in U.S.  so, there may be differences i. What we experience here from treatment ya’ll provide up North.

Maybe.

The best chiro I heard about in recent years took one look at my friend’s spinal xrays and said “I am not toiching this, you need a surgeon to evaluate this.”
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« Reply #452 on: September 30, 2018, 09:54:03 AM »
And on a more direct and specific example, here's a 2007 paper from the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1905885/

The entirety of the paper's conclusions are as follows:

"Spinal manipulation, particularly when performed on the upper spine, is frequently associated with mild to moderate adverse effects. It can also result in serious complications such as vertebral artery dissection followed by stroke. Currently, the incidence of such events is not known. In the interest of patient safety we should reconsider our policy towards the routine use of spinal manipulation."

Here's the American Heart Association in 2014, warning that "most population controlled studies have found an association between CMT (cervical manipulative therapy) and VAD stroke in young patients": https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/str.0000000000000016

Here's the case which started with the British Chiropractic Association suing journalist Simon Singh for libel, and ended with every major British party pledging libel law reform and a quarter of the BCA's members coming under investigation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Chiropractic_Association_v_Singh.

My cousin ended up having an artery dissection after a neck manipulation. She has had a couple of strokes since. Early 30s single mother of 2, such a sad story.

Tragic, indeed.

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« Reply #453 on: October 01, 2018, 08:41:09 AM »
I'd never heard of dry needling before now...

It is acupuncture without the acupuncture training -- tends to be intramuscular vs. the "traditional" Chinese acupuncture points.  My acupuncturist actually does a combination of the two (she is sort of a sports-medicine focus and does a number of treatments).  She absolutely detests people who advertise dry needling, because, as she says, "I went to school for 8 years to learn how to do things properly and safely; these guys go to one two-week seminar and call themselves experts."

And not to derail the thread into other alternative therapies, but I also feel compelled to say that I was a total non-believer in acupuncture until a year ago -- I am a very anti-woo-woo person.  I met my therapist at the gym and made my first appointment with her thinking she was a sports-medicine-focused therapist; when she whipped out the needles I wanted to walk out but thought that would be massively rude.  So I figured, well, I'm here, can't hurt.  And wow.  I am a total believer now and go every week -- I have a permanent spine issue and a rotator cuff issue that I am avoiding, and she manages to get the specific muscles and fascia to release so I can keep working out without seizing up.
I have read just enough to gain a respect for acupuncture as theoretical treatment. Finding the right practitioner is probably key, as in most treatments. And having reasonsble expectations sbout what the treatment will accomplish, also important.
I tried an acupuncturist  for back/leg pain (two herniated discs)
I didn't find it to help. The acupuncturist connects wires to the needles and applies varying rhythmic electric pulses to the needles, on one appointment the equipment had a failure and the rhythmic pulses became continuous and didn't reduce in strength. I called out to the doc to turn it off. I ask about the equipment during the next appointment and he said he threw it out.
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« Reply #454 on: December 30, 2018, 02:14:02 AM »
Any chance of an end of year update? I'm hoping for an unexpected twist and the beginnings of behaviour change.

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« Reply #455 on: January 03, 2019, 10:58:51 AM »
... and that in the meantime, they are going to "pray that God will provide." What could go wrong?

Ugh. Nothing makes me grind my teeth more than this phrase.  Good luck to them.

I might have been tempted to snarkily hypothesize that any deity that exists might think he provided via the opportunity to earn a living after finishing a degree program. Or maybe a unicorn will prance up, bearing bags of cash. Or the teller window at Bank of Dad will open for business.

  I have to think the diety is in favor of construction workers after all the people that are either left homeless or have terrible damage to their homes after hurricane Michael.
  I went into purchase a cellphone shortly after the hurricane and while waiting, I had an 82 year old man crying after telling me about the destruction to his home and how he never thought he would need to rely on his son for a place to live. I don't think a diety is there to help you with business financing.

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« Reply #456 on: January 03, 2019, 11:13:49 AM »

The older I get, the more I understand that you do whatever works. I don't have to care why. You don't have to care why. If someone is in chronic pain and chiro works for them, great. If homeopathy works for them, equally great. If praying to a bowl of lemons on their coffee table at 3:12 exactly every afternoon works for them, also great. What or why doesn't matter. What matters is the outcome.

  That's all fine but the risk/reward ratio needs to also be considered.
If you're injured by chiropractic manipulation, or have cancer and someone treats you with homeopathy until it's to late for modern medicine to save you, you lose.
 If you are believer in alternative methods, you might want to have a real doctors opinion as a backup just in case there is a treatable problem.

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« Reply #457 on: January 03, 2019, 12:07:43 PM »
Very few people are injured by a chiropractor which is why their malpractice insurance is cheap. Most chiropractors X-ray a new patient before treating them in case something else is wrong. Most people have muscle pain/issues and chiropractic works great for these conditions.   Of course there are frauds in every profession so if one claims they can heal all your illnesses run away.

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« Reply #458 on: January 03, 2019, 01:47:48 PM »
Any chance of an end of year update? I'm hoping for an unexpected twist and the beginnings of behaviour change.

paging @frugalfoothills

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« Reply #459 on: January 04, 2019, 01:36:39 PM »
My experience with agile:  At my last company I had one of the warehouse programmers/data scientists come up to me and say basically this:

"At my daily scrum stand-up which is pretty much done via videoconference  and no one stands up, we identified a blocker on a 5 pointer, meaning that unless we get the product owner to escalate the resolution our velocity is going to nosedive.  So our scrum-master took the issue to the scrum of scurm meeting to see if others had a similar blocker, but it turns out that the issue is that the DB2 license is per server and the SQL license is enterprise, so the product owner that has in 3 consecutive years shot down an upgrade to the DB2 server, is now asking that we just bring in some of the other backlog items to keep the velocity up, btw, her bonus depends on our velocity, while she evaluates the CBA for a server/license upgrade, but the backlog only has like 2 tasks that have been pointed since the business hasn't prioritized the backlog.  After we figure this out, I have to explain to the CFO why the AWS bill is so high this month after the marketing department spun up a massive SQL warehouse and essentially duplicated our onsite warehouse so they could learn how to benefit from some real machine learning, even though no one there even knows the difference between a continuous and a categorical variable.  I hate my job."

Also, I'm a little surprised that no reckoning has happened with this couple, but if the family doesn't care about being repaid...so be it.

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« Reply #460 on: January 04, 2019, 02:15:23 PM »
"At my daily scrum stand-up which is pretty much done via videoconference  and no one stands up, we identified a blocker on a 5 pointer, meaning that unless we get the product owner to escalate the resolution our velocity is going to nosedive.  So our scrum-master took the issue to the scrum of scurm meeting to see if others had a similar blocker, but it turns out that the issue is that the DB2 license is per server and the SQL license is enterprise, so the product owner that has in 3 consecutive years shot down an upgrade to the DB2 server, is now asking that we just bring in some of the other backlog items to keep the velocity up, btw, her bonus depends on our velocity, while she evaluates the CBA for a server/license upgrade, but the backlog only has like 2 tasks that have been pointed since the business hasn't prioritized the backlog.  After we figure this out, I have to explain to the CFO why the AWS bill is so high this month after the marketing department spun up a massive SQL warehouse and essentially duplicated our onsite warehouse so they could learn how to benefit from some real machine learning, even though no one there even knows the difference between a continuous and a categorical variable.  I hate my job."

I hate that I understood every word of that.

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« Reply #461 on: January 04, 2019, 04:50:40 PM »
"At my daily scrum stand-up which is pretty much done via videoconference  and no one stands up, we identified a blocker on a 5 pointer, meaning that unless we get the product owner to escalate the resolution our velocity is going to nosedive.  So our scrum-master took the issue to the scrum of scurm meeting to see if others had a similar blocker, but it turns out that the issue is that the DB2 license is per server and the SQL license is enterprise, so the product owner that has in 3 consecutive years shot down an upgrade to the DB2 server, is now asking that we just bring in some of the other backlog items to keep the velocity up, btw, her bonus depends on our velocity, while she evaluates the CBA for a server/license upgrade, but the backlog only has like 2 tasks that have been pointed since the business hasn't prioritized the backlog.  After we figure this out, I have to explain to the CFO why the AWS bill is so high this month after the marketing department spun up a massive SQL warehouse and essentially duplicated our onsite warehouse so they could learn how to benefit from some real machine learning, even though no one there even knows the difference between a continuous and a categorical variable.  I hate my job."

I hate that I understood every word of that.
@aetherie, LOL.

What I thought after reading it was, "It doesn't matter what technique you use to run a workplace badly. If you run a workplace badly, working there is going to suck."

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« Reply #462 on: January 05, 2019, 10:04:58 AM »
... and that in the meantime, they are going to "pray that God will provide." What could go wrong?

Ugh. Nothing makes me grind my teeth more than this phrase.  Good luck to them.

Apparently she’s never heard the old saw “The Lord helps those who help themselves”. 

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« Reply #463 on: January 05, 2019, 04:55:31 PM »
Any chance of an end of year update? I'm hoping for an unexpected twist and the beginnings of behaviour change.

paging @frugalfoothills

Yeah, I love this thread and I need a hit.

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« Reply #464 on: January 05, 2019, 05:22:37 PM »
IIRC, the OP responds to bat signals. @frugalfoothills

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« Reply #465 on: January 05, 2019, 07:21:12 PM »
"At my daily scrum stand-up which is pretty much done via videoconference  and no one stands up, we identified a blocker on a 5 pointer, meaning that unless we get the product owner to escalate the resolution our velocity is going to nosedive.  So our scrum-master took the issue to the scrum of scurm meeting to see if others had a similar blocker, but it turns out that the issue is that the DB2 license is per server and the SQL license is enterprise, so the product owner that has in 3 consecutive years shot down an upgrade to the DB2 server, is now asking that we just bring in some of the other backlog items to keep the velocity up, btw, her bonus depends on our velocity, while she evaluates the CBA for a server/license upgrade, but the backlog only has like 2 tasks that have been pointed since the business hasn't prioritized the backlog.  After we figure this out, I have to explain to the CFO why the AWS bill is so high this month after the marketing department spun up a massive SQL warehouse and essentially duplicated our onsite warehouse so they could learn how to benefit from some real machine learning, even though no one there even knows the difference between a continuous and a categorical variable.  I hate my job."

I hate that I understood every word of that.

Same!

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« Reply #466 on: May 06, 2019, 05:57:06 AM »
Bump for update

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« Reply #467 on: May 06, 2019, 07:52:06 AM »
"At my daily scrum stand-up which is pretty much done via videoconference  and no one stands up, we identified a blocker on a 5 pointer, meaning that unless we get the product owner to escalate the resolution our velocity is going to nosedive.  So our scrum-master took the issue to the scrum of scurm meeting to see if others had a similar blocker, but it turns out that the issue is that the DB2 license is per server and the SQL license is enterprise, so the product owner that has in 3 consecutive years shot down an upgrade to the DB2 server, is now asking that we just bring in some of the other backlog items to keep the velocity up, btw, her bonus depends on our velocity, while she evaluates the CBA for a server/license upgrade, but the backlog only has like 2 tasks that have been pointed since the business hasn't prioritized the backlog.  After we figure this out, I have to explain to the CFO why the AWS bill is so high this month after the marketing department spun up a massive SQL warehouse and essentially duplicated our onsite warehouse so they could learn how to benefit from some real machine learning, even though no one there even knows the difference between a continuous and a categorical variable.  I hate my job."

I hate that I understood every word of that.

Same!

I'm hoping to forget it all ASAP after FIRE

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« Reply #468 on: June 10, 2019, 06:00:19 PM »
How many millions do they have now?  Inquiring minds would like to know...

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« Reply #469 on: June 11, 2019, 01:16:20 PM »
How many millions do they have now?  Inquiring minds would like to know...

+1 & PTF

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« Reply #470 on: June 19, 2019, 03:43:07 PM »
Sending bat signal to @frugalfoothills

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« Reply #471 on: June 27, 2019, 11:59:13 AM »
Sometimes these things actually work out. Business is booming in a lot of places right now...

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« Reply #472 on: July 11, 2019, 11:00:49 AM »
Sending bat signal to @frugalfoothills

frugalfoothills is posting, her last post was yesterday, July 10, 2019, but I haven't located that post.

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« Reply #473 on: July 11, 2019, 02:00:35 PM »
Sending bat signal to @frugalfoothills

frugalfoothills is posting, her last post was yesterday, July 10, 2019, but I haven't located that post.

Are you sure her last post was yesterday? The most recent post I could find was from March, but she was last active today (I assume she was active today after your post, so when you looked, it likely said yesterday). In fact, she appears to be "online" at this very moment!

In either case, I can only imagine that she will update the post when she is ready to do so. Even if she didn't get the batsignal, I doubt she's forgotten about this thread.

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« Reply #474 on: July 11, 2019, 06:42:23 PM »
Sending bat signal to @frugalfoothills

frugalfoothills is posting, her last post was yesterday, July 10, 2019, but I haven't located that post.

Are you sure her last post was yesterday? The most recent post I could find was from March, but she was last active today (I assume she was active today after your post, so when you looked, it likely said yesterday). In fact, she appears to be "online" at this very moment!

In either case, I can only imagine that she will update the post when she is ready to do so. Even if she didn't get the batsignal, I doubt she's forgotten about this thread.
You are most likely correct, I interpreted active as posting.

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« Reply #475 on: July 11, 2019, 07:37:07 PM »
She did post today, first time since March.  I've been eagerly awaiting an update to this story.

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« Reply #476 on: July 12, 2019, 01:49:41 PM »
Let's give the thread a cooling off period and then I'd love to read everyone's fictional "final chapter". ;)

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« Reply #477 on: July 14, 2019, 10:33:41 AM »
ptf - just enjoyed reading this whole thread!

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« Reply #478 on: July 14, 2019, 04:19:30 PM »
ptf - just enjoyed reading this whole thread!

Me too!  But I thought for sure it would have come to an end by now....
I'm guessing they are doing alright; any shortfalls are being helped along by the FIL - who is THRILLED about learning that he is going to a Grandfather!!!

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« Reply #479 on: July 18, 2019, 08:19:44 PM »
I fell for that kind of chiropractic care. The guy did our x-rays and clearly mine was worse than my child's and so he preyed on my emotions and said that with his treatment we can avoid my kid becoming as bad as me. So we prepaid thousands of dollars and went to treatments 2-3x a week for however long. It was an assembly line. He had three tables set up with a half wall divider between, an electronic system that called your name and table number. He would spend <5 mins with each patient and send them on their way. It took a few months that I realized that it was just a sales technique and it was not so much about our health.

Now I go to a chiropractor whenever I get tightness in my lower back and I come back on my schedule. This new guy is very easy going and only if the adjustment was particularly difficult will he suggest to come back sooner than I normally would.
Whenever I get tightness in my lower back, I do the stretches my physical therapist taught me. Evidently tall women get tight hamstrings which can cause lower back pain. No chiropractor I tried ever helped me as much as my physical therapist.

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« Reply #480 on: July 20, 2019, 09:28:00 AM »
ptf - just enjoyed reading this whole thread!

Me too!  But I thought for sure it would have come to an end by now....
I'm guessing they are doing alright; any shortfalls are being helped along by the FIL - who is THRILLED about learning that he is going to a Grandfather!!!

And he will buy the young couple a big new SAFE automobile because baby cannot ride in anything UNSAFE, it must be new.  And big.