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Around the Internet => Antimustachian Wall of Shame and Comedy => Topic started by: frugalnacho on June 09, 2014, 02:54:02 PM
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I did some gardening with my niece, and we started a basil and oregano plant from seed for her. She forgot the pots at my house, so I texted my sister letting her know we have them and i'll bring them over next week. This was the text exchange:
sister: What is she supposed to do with basil and oregano? lol.
me: Keep them on the porch and cook with them.
her: No one here cooks with them. No one here cooks half the time.
me: you should. It's cheaper and healthier. Put it in spaghetti sauce or pizza sauce.
her: We don't make pizzas.
me: Why not? You guys eat pizza all the time. Every week I see pizza boxes in the garbage. Just make some.
her: Making it is different than buying it.
I stopped texting her at that point. I wish I could face punch her through the phone and tell her to stop ordering pizza every damn week when she's thousands of dollars in debt and living at home with her kid*. That goes for the whole household and not just her.
*Especially when I own the house and rent out under fair market value to my parents so they all can have a place to live.
/rant
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Next time try teaching the niece to make pizza? You can use those frozen white bread loaves from the spartan groceries!
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Next time try teaching the niece to make pizza? You can use those frozen white bread loaves from the spartan groceries!
What do you think we ate after she helped with my garden!
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Give a man a pizza and he'll eat like a college kid.
Teach a man to make a pizza and he'll eat like a king!
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Ugh, sounds like my father in law, who proudly boasts that he does take out. Hasn't got a pot to p*ss in...
I'm living in a hotel right now, waiting for my new home to be finished. It's been an expensive & annoying experience, but the highlight of the hotel is that they use Rosemary bushes for shrubs! I've been picking what I need and adding it to recipes - nothing beats fresh herbs. I'm sure the move-out will be a rushed mess, but I'm hoping to snag a few branches and turn them into my own herb garden at the new house. :)
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My rice cooker was my cook throughout college.
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and talking about sis in law boasting on Instagram about her hubby cooking her dinner on Valentines' day as a 'Treat' since they rarely eat at home. Not sure if they were just broke on Vday or its really a special gesture bro in law did for her.
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My BMW-driving, shopaholic, perpetually broke sister once announced "We just like expensive cars!" when reacting to my parents' questioning of her decision to trade a just-paid-off BMW for a new all-wheel drive model.
These sisters are just unbelievable!
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Give a man a pizza and he'll eat like a college kid.
Teach a man to make a pizza and he'll eat like a king!
Ha! Nice!
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My BMW-driving, shopaholic, perpetually broke sister once announced "We just like expensive cars!" when reacting to my parents' questioning of her decision to trade a just-paid-off BMW for a new all-wheel drive model.
These sisters are just unbelievable!
And no doubt will drive that BMW right to your front door whenever they need a handout.
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My BMW-driving, shopaholic, perpetually broke sister once announced "We just like expensive cars!" when reacting to my parents' questioning of her decision to trade a just-paid-off BMW for a new all-wheel drive model.
These sisters are just unbelievable!
And no doubt will drive that BMW right to your front door whenever they need a handout.
I live too far away...but my parents have been nicked more than a time or two.
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I think it an utter shame that people are constitutionally incapable of doing things like cooking. Oh wait, you mean to tell me that they can but are unwilling to? Sympathy gone!
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My rice cooker was my cook throughout college.
Tell me more, CarSafetyGuy... I am intrigued!
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My rice cooker was my cook throughout college.
in college i called my slow cooker my house husband. i loved coming home on a cold day to a hot meal all ready for me and the effort in the morning forgotten.
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I stopped texting her at that point. I wish I could face punch her through the phone and tell her to stop ordering pizza every damn week when she's thousands of dollars in debt and living at home with her kid*. That goes for the whole household and not just her.
*Especially when I own the house and rent out under fair market value to my parents so they all can have a place to live.
I would have a hard time restraining myself from saying "learn to make pizza instead of buying it or I'm increasing your rent!"
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Met a couple a few weekends ago, they said it was cheaper for them to eat out than for them to cook. I knew I had a look on my face, was speachless... At least man-friend boasted that I was a helluva cook.
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My rice cooker was my cook throughout college.
Tell me more, CarSafetyGuy... I am intrigued!
I had a friend in Japan who lived in a tiny apartment and the only cooking facility he had was a rice cooker (not that uncommon there - why bother with putting in a kitchen when salary men never eat at home). He is the frugal type and learned to cook full meals in it. He even used it to make a cake. I've never been to that extreme but while living in Japan I figured out you can cook almost anything in a slow cooker. Lasagne, roasts, desserts. I've moved on now to a country where I have an oven (a great novelty after a decade without one) so I didn't bother to buy a slow cooker but they are definitely awesome.
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To be fair... I've never tasted a homemade pizza that wasn't disgusting. But we don't eat pizza often, either.
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To be fair... I've never tasted a homemade pizza that wasn't disgusting. But we don't eat pizza often, either.
I feel sorry for you.
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To be fair... I've never tasted a homemade pizza that wasn't disgusting. But we don't eat pizza often, either.
Maybe you need to plant some basil and oregano.
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To be fair... I've never tasted a homemade pizza that wasn't disgusting. But we don't eat pizza often, either.
Maybe you need to plant some basil and oregano.
oh yeah.
I also find that a small amount of bacon always pushes my homemade pizzas over the edge into amazingness, if you're into bacon.
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To be fair... I've never tasted a homemade pizza that wasn't disgusting. But we don't eat pizza often, either.
You're doing it wrong then :)
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I make the pizza dough in my bread machine and it is easy & awesome! Everything is better with bacon:))
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To be fair... I've never tasted a homemade pizza that wasn't disgusting. But we don't eat pizza often, either.
Maybe you need to plant some basil and oregano.
hahahaha awesome! +1
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I make killer pizza, both Chicago style Deep dish and a thinner crust on our grill.
I should make it more often actually.
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Even easier than that: Pita bread or English muffins as the base. Start simple and move up to more difficult meals.
My rice cooker was my cook throughout college.
I had a coffee maker that I'd use to boil water /cook noodles. I also had a toaster oven and an electric frying pan. in college i called my slow cooker my house husband. i loved coming home on a cold day to a hot meal all ready for me and the effort in the morning forgotten.
I will never forget being a senior in college and getting a hand-me-down crock pot. I'd never cooked in one before, but I put in a beef stew and went away to work. When I returned home, I opened the stairwell door and the smell of beef stew permeated the whole stairwell. I RAN up those stairs saying, "Please let me find that smell coming from my apartment, please let me find that smell coming from my apartment". And it WAS!
Met a couple a few weekends ago, they said it was cheaper for them to eat out than for them to cook. I knew I had a look on my face, was speachless... At least man-friend boasted that I was a helluva cook.
Every now and then I get a coupon . . . coupled with a low-cost choice . . . and no drinks . . . and this happens. But it's the exception rather than the rule.
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First off. You've never had pizza until you've had pizza made with a high hydration, Sourdough slow fermented, dough baked in under 2 minutes in a hacked home oven at a minimum of 750 degrees.
Second of all what is up with these sisters?
Witness this hilarious post...
http://www.1500days.com/thursday-rant-spongesister-and-the-three-laws-of-lazymotion/
I blame the princess myth.
What kind of a culture deifies rich girls with no discernible talent or drive ? What's the message here?
Superheroes I get.
But princesses?
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I make killer pizza, both Chicago style Deep dish and a thinner crust on our grill.
I should make it more often actually.
ooooooh any tips/recipes for the deep dish?? I LOVE deep dish pizza but have never tried making it at home!
I will never forget being a senior in college and getting a hand-me-down crock pot. I'd never cooked in one before, but I put in a beef stew and went away to work. When I returned home, I opened the stairwell door and the smell of beef stew permeated the whole stairwell. I RAN up those stairs saying, "Please let me find that smell coming from my apartment, please let me find that smell coming from my apartment". And it WAS!
hahahaha, I love this story! (and I LOVE my crockpot!)
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What kind of a culture deifies rich girls with no discernible talent or drive?
'Murrica
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To be fair... I've never tasted a homemade pizza that wasn't disgusting. But we don't eat pizza often, either.
Maybe you need to plant some basil and oregano.
oh yeah.
I also find that a small amount of bacon always pushes my homemade pizzas over the edge into amazingness, if you're into bacon.
I thought bacon was a standard pizza ingredient along with dough, sauce, and cheese? At least in my house it is.
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Too bad Gail Vaz Oxlade has stopped filming Princess - she would have been an ideal candidate.
Second of all what is up with these sisters? Witness this hilarious post...
http://www.1500days.com/thursday-rant-spongesister-and-the-three-laws-of-lazymotion/
I blame the princess myth.
What kind of a culture deifies rich girls with no discernible talent or drive ? What's the message here?
Superheroes I get.
But princesses?
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I blame the princess myth.
What kind of a culture deifies rich girls with no discernible talent or drive ? What's the message here?
I don't think the world deifies them -- rather, they just find ways to exist without working. Perhaps their parents buy into the "my baby needs coddling" idea, and they support her longer than is appropriate. And a girl who's pretty and manipulative can often get guys to pay for stuff -- in the extreme, they'd become trophy wives. But I don't think they're 'specially admired by society.
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I blame the princess myth.
What kind of a culture deifies rich girls with no discernible talent or drive ? What's the message here?
I don't think the world deifies them -- rather, they just find ways to exist without working. Perhaps their parents buy into the "my baby needs coddling" idea, and they support her longer than is appropriate. And a girl who's pretty and manipulative can often get guys to pay for stuff -- in the extreme, they'd become trophy wives. But I don't think they're 'specially admired by society.
or get TV shows...Kardashians anyone?
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First off. You've never had pizza until you've had pizza made with a high hydration, Sourdough slow fermented, dough baked in under 2 minutes in a hacked home oven at a minimum of 750 degrees.
Hold up a second, we need more details about this!
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I blame the princess myth.
What kind of a culture deifies rich girls with no discernible talent or drive ? What's the message here?
I don't think the world deifies them -- rather, they just find ways to exist without working. Perhaps their parents buy into the "my baby needs coddling" idea, and they support her longer than is appropriate. And a girl who's pretty and manipulative can often get guys to pay for stuff -- in the extreme, they'd become trophy wives. But I don't think they're 'specially admired by society.
or get TV shows...Kardashians anyone?
In my quote "rich girls with no discernible talent or drive" = princesses.
My daughter is an amazing athlete and very smart and focused.
But she still loves princesses and dressing up in poofy pink dresses with plastic high heels.
It kills me. Why is she not dressing up like pro soccer players? Or superheroes? (Like her brothers )
Cultural BS I suspect.
And good point about the kardashians/Hilton's. Modern princesses.
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First off. You've never had pizza until you've had pizza made with a high hydration, Sourdough slow fermented, dough baked in under 2 minutes in a hacked home oven at a minimum of 750 degrees.
Hold up a second, we need more details about this!
Just guessing, but he disabled the safety lever for "clean" on a standard oven. Most ovens get to 500-550F max, while clean will go closer to 900F.
Met a couple a few weekends ago, they said it was cheaper for them to eat out than for them to cook. I knew I had a look on my face, was speachless... At least man-friend boasted that I was a helluva cook.
You'd be surprised at how many news articles will claim something like that. Then people who read the mainstream news think its true without even running the numbers. Typically the news articles are flawed and compare eating out for dinner vs what the US says should be your average daily food budget, ignoring the fact that people eat more than 1 meal a day.
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I think it was Anthony Bourdain who argued that cooking your own meals should be given the same importance that athleticism had in the 60's. Just like the scrawny kid who couldn't climb the rope would later get a dodge-ball in the face, our home economics classes could take on a whole new dimension. Can't roast a chicken? - get a dodge-ball in the face!
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You'd be surprised at how many news articles will claim something like that. Then people who read the mainstream news think its true without even running the numbers. Typically the news articles are flawed and compare eating out for dinner vs what the US says should be your average daily food budget, ignoring the fact that people eat more than 1 meal a day.
The only way I can think of that eating out could be cheaper than eating at home is if you're on a starve-and-binge pancake diet. You fast for a few days, then you go walk to your local Denny's and get all-you-can-eat pancakes for $4, and eat 50-60 pancakes while the lovely waitress gives you death glares after each round. Repeat again in a few days. Bam, cheaper than cooking at home.
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First off. You've never had pizza until you've had pizza made with a high hydration, Sourdough slow fermented, dough baked in under 2 minutes in a hacked home oven at a minimum of 750 degrees.
Hold up a second, we need more details about this!
I could write about home pizza making all day every day. Talk about a mustachian hobby. You can make a pizza better than anything you can get your town (as long as you don't live in New York or New Haven or Phoenix) for probably about two dollars plus energy cost. And the only equipment you need is a pizza stone and a pizza peel. And the willingness to "alter" your oven.
If you're interested you can click over to the site in my tagline and read a post I wrote entitled "pennywise and pound foolish."
(I would post a link, but won't for fear of being tarred and feathered as a "spammer.")
Here is an unaffiliated link that really got me going on the pizza making journey.
http://www.varasanos.com/PizzaRecipe.htm
Enjoy!
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You'd be surprised at how many news articles will claim something like that. Then people who read the mainstream news think its true without even running the numbers. Typically the news articles are flawed and compare eating out for dinner vs what the US says should be your average daily food budget, ignoring the fact that people eat more than 1 meal a day.
The only way I can think of that eating out could be cheaper than eating at home is if you're on a starve-and-binge pancake diet. You fast for a few days, then you go walk to your local Denny's and get all-you-can-eat pancakes for $4, and eat 50-60 pancakes while the lovely waitress gives you death glares after each round. Repeat again in a few days. Bam, cheaper than cooking at home.
I'd be surprised if it cost me 4$ to make 50-60 pancakes at home.
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You'd be surprised at how many news articles will claim something like that. Then people who read the mainstream news think its true without even running the numbers. Typically the news articles are flawed and compare eating out for dinner vs what the US says should be your average daily food budget, ignoring the fact that people eat more than 1 meal a day.
The only way I can think of that eating out could be cheaper than eating at home is if you're on a starve-and-binge pancake diet. You fast for a few days, then you go walk to your local Denny's and get all-you-can-eat pancakes for $4, and eat 50-60 pancakes while the lovely waitress gives you death glares after each round. Repeat again in a few days. Bam, cheaper than cooking at home.
I'd be surprised if it cost me 4$ to make 50-60 pancakes at home.
Eh, true. Better make it once-a-month event then, and eat 2000 pancakes.
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First off. You've never had pizza until you've had pizza made with a high hydration, Sourdough slow fermented, dough baked in under 2 minutes in a hacked home oven at a minimum of 750 degrees.
Hold up a second, we need more details about this!
I could write about home pizza making all day every day. Talk about a mustachian hobby. You can make a pizza better than anything you can get your town (as long as you don't live in New York or New Haven or Phoenix) for probably about two dollars plus energy cost. And the only equipment you need is a pizza stone and a pizza peel. And the willingness to "alter" your oven.
If you're interested you can click over to the site in my tagline and read a post I wrote entitled "pennywise and pound foolish."
(I would post a link, but won't for fear of being tarred and feathered as a "spammer.")
Here is an unaffiliated link that really got me going on the pizza making journey.
http://www.varasanos.com/PizzaRecipe.htm
Enjoy!
Awesome... I'm scared to learn how to make pizza, because I would immediately become obese. I'm saving that for my RE days when I can also do ridiculous amounts of cardio to counterbalance.
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First off. You've never had pizza until you've had pizza made with a high hydration, Sourdough slow fermented, dough baked in under 2 minutes in a hacked home oven at a minimum of 750 degrees.
Hold up a second, we need more details about this!
I could write about home pizza making all day every day. Talk about a mustachian hobby. You can make a pizza better than anything you can get your town (as long as you don't live in New York or New Haven or Phoenix) for probably about two dollars plus energy cost. And the only equipment you need is a pizza stone and a pizza peel. And the willingness to "alter" your oven.
If you're interested you can click over to the site in my tagline and read a post I wrote entitled "pennywise and pound foolish."
(I would post a link, but won't for fear of being tarred and feathered as a "spammer.")
Here is an unaffiliated link that really got me going on the pizza making journey.
http://www.varasanos.com/PizzaRecipe.htm
Enjoy!
Awesome... I'm scared to learn how to make pizza, because I would immediately become obese. I'm saving that for my RE days when I can also do ridiculous amounts of cardio to counterbalance.
Obesity is an Occupational hazard.
There are no free rides!
AZ
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I make killer pizza, both Chicago style Deep dish and a thinner crust on our grill.
I should make it more often actually.
ooooooh any tips/recipes for the deep dish?? I LOVE deep dish pizza but have never tried making it at home!
I will never forget being a senior in college and getting a hand-me-down crock pot. I'd never cooked in one before, but I put in a beef stew and went away to work. When I returned home, I opened the stairwell door and the smell of beef stew permeated the whole stairwell. I RAN up those stairs saying, "Please let me find that smell coming from my apartment, please let me find that smell coming from my apartment". And it WAS!
hahahaha, I love this story! (and I LOVE my crockpot!)
Sure, it's an old recipe that was a hack of Uno's style in Chicago.
I use my bread maker for the dough (free from an old boss that was going to throw it away) But every bread maker seems to be a little different on how they make dough, since my neighbor made it and she said mine was so much better, and she followed my instructions.
1 pkg of yeast (I use it bought in bulk, much cheaper)
1c. warm water
1/4 c. + 2T. Oil, I usually use olive oil
1/4 C. Cornmeal
2 and 3/4 C. flour
After the dough is made in my dough cycle, I put it into 2 8in round cake pans, making sure it goes up to the top on the sides.
Get the toppings you want, it requires a lot more toppings than a regular crust.
Cheese goes down first, a light layer over the crust
Then layer the other ing.
Sausage
Mushrooms
more cheese
More sausage
more mushrooms
maybe some more cheese
Sauce, last as a topping
Then I bake at 475 20-25min
This is filling pizza, 2 pieces and you are stuffed.
Enjoy
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Awesome... I'm scared to learn how to make pizza, because I would immediately become obese. I'm saving that for my RE days when I can also do ridiculous amounts of cardio to counterbalance.
Rubbish.
Homemade pizza is so much healthier and lower fat than store-bought pizza and you can put whatever you want on it. You don't have to drown pizza in cheese, oil and bacon for it to taste awesome.
My fave home made pizza recipe is very basic, as true Italian pizzas were originally very basic with very little cheese etc. Nothing like what Pizza Hut and the like produce (which IMO isn't shouldn't even be called pizza).
To home made pizza base just add tomato paste in a thin layer, some sliced bocconcini or buffalo mozzarella cheese (not much), basil leaves, strips of ham or whatever meat you want. I like prawns and other seafood. Add garlic, some snow peas and pumpkin and some pine nuts. No cheese on top but a sprinkle of sea salt and oregano. Bake in oven until base is nice and crispy.
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Awesome... I'm scared to learn how to make pizza, because I would immediately become obese. I'm saving that for my RE days when I can also do ridiculous amounts of cardio to counterbalance.
Rubbish.
Homemade pizza is so much healthier and lower fat than store-bought pizza and you can put whatever you want on it. You don't have to drown pizza in cheese, oil and bacon for it to taste awesome.
My fave home made pizza recipe is very basic, as true Italian pizzas were originally very basic with very little cheese etc. Nothing like what Pizza Hut and the like produce (which IMO isn't shouldn't even be called pizza).
To home made pizza base just add tomato paste in a thin layer, some sliced bocconcini or buffalo mozzarella cheese (not much), basil leaves, strips of ham or whatever meat you want. I like prawns and other seafood. Add garlic, some snow peas and pumpkin and some pine nuts. No cheese on top but a sprinkle of sea salt and oregano. Bake in oven until base is nice and crispy.
Yeah, no. I do occasionally introduce pizza back into my diet, and I can buy relatively healthy pizza around here (Californians don't mess around with their froufrou pizzas). I always gain weight.
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We don't hack the oven since I get acceptable results cranking it to 550F (highest setting) and using a stone. Since I started grinding my own flour just before making the dough (we like white wheat), it is at a new level of awesome.
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Rubbish.
Homemade pizza is so much healthier and lower fat than store-bought pizza and you can put whatever you want on it. You don't have to drown pizza in cheese, oil and bacon for it to taste awesome.
My fave home made pizza recipe is very basic, as true Italian pizzas were originally very basic with very little cheese etc. Nothing like what Pizza Hut and the like produce (which IMO isn't shouldn't even be called pizza).
To home made pizza base just add tomato paste in a thin layer, some sliced bocconcini or buffalo mozzarella cheese (not much), basil leaves, strips of ham or whatever meat you want. I like prawns and other seafood. Add garlic, some snow peas and pumpkin and some pine nuts. No cheese on top but a sprinkle of sea salt and oregano. Bake in oven until base is nice and crispy.
Most of the time the least healthy aspect of a pizza is the dough (unless you're covering your pizza with candy and pixie stick dust). Unfortunately, with really great pizza dough, you're going be eating a whole lot of flour-based carbs, even if you don't use sugar in the dough recipe (which, I believe, chain pizza restaurants do). Too many carbs can equal weight gain for a lot of people--doesn't matter how healthy the toppings are. Granted, making your own dough would be healthier, but not necessarily healthier to prevent weight gain from eating it too often (and if you love it, there's a better chance you'll eat it too often).
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I think it was Anthony Bourdain who argued that cooking your own meals should be given the same importance that athleticism had in the 60's. Just like the scrawny kid who couldn't climb the rope would later get a dodge-ball in the face, our home economics classes could take on a whole new dimension. Can't roast a chicken? - get a dodge-ball in the face!
If you can dodge a wrench, you can roast a chicken. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMWdnkSMPGM&feature=kp
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Cauliflower crust pizza ain't half bad. They're a different thing than a lovely thin-crust doughy pizza, but still a nice platform for a tasty array of toppings.
My in-laws don't cook at it makes me crazy. They act like my ability to cook from scratch is some sort of rare genetic gift, rather than something I can do because I HAVE BEEN PRACTICING DAILY FOR DECADES. But that gives them an excuse to not cook. OTOH, I can make anything when they visit and they're thrilled.
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I learned to cook so I could impress girls. So far, it's worked once. That, and live on almost no money for food...
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My sister in law says it's "cheaper to eat out than making food at home". That's some crazy ass lazy thinking.
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My sister in law says it's "cheaper to eat out than making food at home". That's some crazy ass lazy thinking.
Yeah, I highly doubt the validity of that statement. I suspect that if I bought everything at Whole Foods (Whole Paycheck) and cooked everything at home, it would still be far cheaper than if I ate out. Maybe it would be cheaper to purchase my meals if everything was at the dollar menu at McDonalds, but that would be insanely unhealthy.
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I learned to cook so I could impress girls. So far, it's worked once. That, and live on almost no money for food...
Cooking tends to impress younger girls (college, not grade school!) more, and at a certain age it's more that inability to cook is a negative.
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I make killer pizza, both Chicago style Deep dish and a thinner crust on our grill.
I should make it more often actually.
ooooooh any tips/recipes for the deep dish?? I LOVE deep dish pizza but have never tried making it at home!
Sure, it's an old recipe that was a hack of Uno's style in Chicago.
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This is filling pizza, 2 pieces and you are stuffed.
Enjoy
thanks greenmimama!!
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I think it was Anthony Bourdain who argued that cooking your own meals should be given the same importance that athleticism had in the 60's. Just like the scrawny kid who couldn't climb the rope would later get a dodge-ball in the face, our home economics classes could take on a whole new dimension. Can't roast a chicken? - get a dodge-ball in the face!
If you can dodge a wrench, you can roast a chicken. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMWdnkSMPGM&feature=kp
I thought there was a roast chicken recipe at the other side of that link! Haha! I can't roast a chicken, so I guess I need a wrench or ball thrown in my direction.
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My sister in law says it's "cheaper to eat out than making food at home". That's some crazy ass lazy thinking.
I think that's because people who usually don't cook don't have staples in the house. So they decide to make a meal, and have to go buy every ingredient, down to the seasonings, and then they think it costs $50 to make dinner. Instead of considering the cost on a running basis from decently stocked kitchen, it's easier to just reaffirm the belief that it's not in fact cheaper.
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I make killer pizza, both Chicago style Deep dish and a thinner crust on our grill.
I should make it more often actually.
ooooooh any tips/recipes for the deep dish?? I LOVE deep dish pizza but have never tried making it at home!
Your welcome, I hope you enjoy it, I have been making it for at least 10 years
Sure, it's an old recipe that was a hack of Uno's style in Chicago.
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This is filling pizza, 2 pieces and you are stuffed.
Enjoy
thanks greenmimama!!
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My sister in law says it's "cheaper to eat out than making food at home". That's some crazy ass lazy thinking.
I think that's because people who usually don't cook don't have staples in the house. So they decide to make a meal, and have to go buy every ingredient, down to the seasonings, and then they think it costs $50 to make dinner. Instead of considering the cost on a running basis from decently stocked kitchen, it's easier to just reaffirm the belief that it's not in fact cheaper.
really good point, I bet you're right.
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My sister in law says it's "cheaper to eat out than making food at home". That's some crazy ass lazy thinking.
Yeah, I highly doubt the validity of that statement. I suspect that if I bought everything at Whole Foods (Whole Paycheck) and cooked everything at home, it would still be far cheaper than if I ate out. Maybe it would be cheaper to purchase my meals if everything was at the dollar menu at McDonalds, but that would be insanely unhealthy.
I've done this before, in fact my wife is out of the country this week and since my kids won't eat anything I make, I occasionally to get fast food at 2-3pm and call that lunch and dinner. Today it was 2 grilled burrito type things from Taco Bell...$2. Last night I made a small piece of wild salmon (on sale from Sprouts mind you) and broccoli...$9.
If you're careful it can be much cheaper to eat fast food than cook healthy food at home. Which is one of the problems with low income obesity. Between food deserts, long hours at work, and the fact that some fast food is absolutely delicious we have a lower socio-economic class with a myriad of problems related to cheap crappy food.
I digress though. I've always found that as long as I work out hard at least 3 days a week (along with easy bike rides and walks in between) I can eat anything I want. My dad is 63 and drinks 6+ sodas a day and eats just about anything he wants while maintaining a 33" waist. But he has always worked out for at least an hour a day.
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I have heard that "cheaper to eat out" argument as well and always thought it was bogus. However, I never considered the angle of people having absolutely nothing in the kitchen and counting the cost of the entire sack of flour and bottle of olive oil as the price of the pizza. I guess if you only cook once and year and then let the oil and all the other food go rancid, then it might actually be true. I always have all of the ingredients to make a pizza in my kitchen, so if I want pizza tonight, then in a warped accounting way it costs me nothing (having spent the money already some time in the past.)
English muffin and French bread pizza are really easy to make even in college in a toaster oven. The legit dough is also really easy to make (dozens of yummy recipes online.) In fact, with the advent of the rapid rise "Pizza yeast" that the stores carry now, I can have a pizza made in less time than it takes for the delivery guy to get here.
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The "cheaper to eat out" thing is pretty popular in Vancouver as well - it's bizarre. We eat all our meals at home and seem to average $3.75/day each, though I guess it's a bit less for just food as we include cleaning supplies and toilet paper in that. I don't know anywhere where you can get three full meals, plus snacks and drinks for $3.75.
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I learned to cook so I could impress girls. So far, it's worked once. That, and live on almost no money for food...
Cooking tends to impress younger girls (college, not grade school!) more, and at a certain age it's more that inability to cook is a negative.
Eh. Cooking for the sake of food is what I do for myself and I get by on under $1 a day because apparently I hate myself. But I've got a kitchen stocked with the right stuff that to make something fancy enough to impress someone I just need to go out and buy some steak or fish or whatever. Hopefully that continues to impress. If not, well, I lose one of the last bargaining chips I had - a satisfied stomach.
On the other hand, folks where I live eat out all the fucking time, because they can afford it. Well, that's debatable, but it won't send them bankrupt.
Worst comes to worst, I just graduated college so hopefully I've a year or two left of impressing... someone...
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My sister in law says it's "cheaper to eat out than making food at home". That's some crazy ass lazy thinking.
In her case. She is just plain lazy. And yes, her food of choice is fast food for them in many cases. She is quite overweight. Her kids are not but they are very active. So unhealthy that fast food.
You don't have to spend a lot of money to cook. A $5 chicken from Costco can feed us for a few days. Chicken one night - some sort of soup with veggies the next. I wish I could help her in this area but she would go all crazy on me.
I have never made pizza! But I am going to try based on the recipe posted earlier. I started making my own bread using the 5 minute Artisan recipe. But the pizza sounds awesome. TY!
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http://www.budgetbytes.com/2011/04/zucchini-pizza-boats/
Zucchini pizza boats are a fun and healthy alternative to conventional pizza, especially if you use fresh tomatoes and/or bell peppers in place of sauce. I imagine kids would enjoy them too--especially if they get to grow their own zucchini.
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I have tried that cauliflower pizza crust when I was trying Gluten Free, it was so yummy, all my children liked it too!
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A friend of mine complains about debt but eats take-out and frozen meals almost exclusively. I very gently suggested cutting back on take-out as a method to pay off debt faster and silence was the only response. This friend also bought a used SUV for an hour long round trip daily commute.
All this pizza talk makes me glad I have a homemade leftover slice waiting for me at home. And I'll need to take some dough out the freezer to make more because one slice isn't going to be enough! I like to use artichoke hearts packed in oil as a topping, purchased for about .50-$1.00 per jar at the discount grocery.
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I cook almost all our meals at home. I made a homemade pizza several years ago. It was nasty. I pay $2.50 for a frozen ready to go pizza that I flop on the pizza spinner thingy. I have like 1 minute of time invested in the meal and my kids loves it. The homemade pizza route is usually like a $10-15 waste of time.
But no, I don't order out and only occasionally grab a Lil Ceasar's hot and ready $5 pizza. My guess is your sister's food bill is in excess of $1,200. Which may seem high. But the fact is that if she earns $50 per hour it is mathematically rarely worth her time to cook. Just work that extra hour instead of cooking, order that $25 pizza and your $25 ahead.
Something tells me your sister isn't ahead though?
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I cook almost all our meals at home. I made a homemade pizza several years ago. It was nasty. I pay $2.50 for a frozen ready to go pizza that I flop on the pizza spinner thingy. I have like 1 minute of time invested in the meal and my kids loves it. The homemade pizza route is usually like a $10-15 waste of time.
But no, I don't order out and only occasionally grab a Lil Ceasar's hot and ready $5 pizza. My guess is your sister's food bill is in excess of $1,200. Which may seem high. But the fact is that if she earns $50 per hour it is mathematically rarely worth her time to cook. Just work that extra hour instead of cooking, order that $25 pizza and your $25 ahead.
Something tells me your sister isn't ahead though?
It takes 15 minutes (5 minutes to mix ingredients from memory, 5 minutes to roll out the dough and add ingredients, and 5 minutes to cook) and $5 to make a quality pizza with a topping, that tastes significantly better than the $25 pizza. The last few delivery pizzas I've had have been pretty nasty.
So, by my calculation, your $50/hr earner is losing $7.50 by working an extra 15 minutes (if that is even possible) vs making their own, ignoring the extra income tax on the extra $12.50 earned.
I've found that most people I know do it wrong once, and then never try again. It isn't that hard though.
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I cook almost all our meals at home. I made a homemade pizza several years ago. It was nasty. I pay $2.50 for a frozen ready to go pizza that I flop on the pizza spinner thingy. I have like 1 minute of time invested in the meal and my kids loves it. The homemade pizza route is usually like a $10-15 waste of time.
But no, I don't order out and only occasionally grab a Lil Ceasar's hot and ready $5 pizza. My guess is your sister's food bill is in excess of $1,200. Which may seem high. But the fact is that if she earns $50 per hour it is mathematically rarely worth her time to cook. Just work that extra hour instead of cooking, order that $25 pizza and your $25 ahead.
Something tells me your sister isn't ahead though?
She is most definitely not ahead. I don't necessarily agree that you can do a simple $/hr calculation to find out if you come out ahead. You are neglecting the life long dividends that come from being a better cook.
I also suggest people look at ready made crusts. I can get a large size for like $2. Add some sauce, cheese, and toppings and you are good to go for a fraction of the price of ordering out.
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My guess is your sister's food bill is in excess of $1,200. Which may seem high. But the fact is that if she earns $50 per hour it is mathematically rarely worth her time to cook. Just work that extra hour instead of cooking, order that $25 pizza and your $25 ahead.
This assumes that she could and would actually earn $50 more if she didn't make that pizza. Rarely do people really lose what they determine that they're "worth" by not doing something. Usually, instead, they lose out on saving $20+ by making pizza while sitting on the couch making/saving nothing, justified by the mental argument that they're worth $50 an hour. There is only opportunity cost if it's really a realistically missed opportunity.
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I cook almost all our meals at home. I made a homemade pizza several years ago. It was nasty. I pay $2.50 for a frozen ready to go pizza that I flop on the pizza spinner thingy. I have like 1 minute of time invested in the meal and my kids loves it. The homemade pizza route is usually like a $10-15 waste of time.
But no, I don't order out and only occasionally grab a Lil Ceasar's hot and ready $5 pizza. My guess is your sister's food bill is in excess of $1,200. Which may seem high. But the fact is that if she earns $50 per hour it is mathematically rarely worth her time to cook. Just work that extra hour instead of cooking, order that $25 pizza and your $25 ahead.
Something tells me your sister isn't ahead though?
She is most definitely not ahead. I don't necessarily agree that you can do a simple $/hr calculation to find out if you come out ahead. You are neglecting the life long dividends that come from being a better cook.
I also suggest people look at ready made crusts. I can get a large size for like $2. Add some sauce, cheese, and toppings and you are good to go for a fraction of the price of ordering out.
Don't discount the dividends of being at work an extra hour each day instead of playing cook. You are learning lifelong skills and, if in a corporate setting raising your profile, by being dedicated to your job. You're right that math doesn't always give the answer we're seeking.
I also am using the supposition that if sister is FI she should do whatever she likes.
Here is a food/money strategy that I often use to save money and time. I don't eat breakfast -- ever. I eat lunch only occasionally. I cook dinner 3-4 times per week and double the amount. By doing this, I always have quick food in the fridge and only have about 3 total hours involved in food. My daily food budget is $6.00 for a family of 3, so when I read about someone spending $50 on pizza delivery it usually tends to freak me out! That would feed my family for 8 days!
Still in true mustachian fashion I give leave to the sister to do as she pleases. Just remember to never lend her money or go into business with her! lol
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I made a homemade pizza several years ago. It was nasty. I pay $2.50 for a frozen ready to go pizza that I flop on the pizza spinner thingy. I have like 1 minute of time invested in the meal and my kids loves it. The homemade pizza route is usually like a $10-15 waste of time.
To each their own but IMHO homemade pizza trumps takeout every time. Just yesterday I whipped up two great BBQ chicken pizzas with fresh veggies and the total for the meal and subsequent leftovers...$3.25-ish. I always have everything I need to make pizza so there is no "setup" costs for unique ingredients and depending on the style of crusts you can have a great made from scratch crust ready for the oven in 10 minutes flat.
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My sister in law says it's "cheaper to eat out than making food at home". That's some crazy ass lazy thinking.
Yeah, I highly doubt the validity of that statement. I suspect that if I bought everything at Whole Foods (Whole Paycheck) and cooked everything at home, it would still be far cheaper than if I ate out. Maybe it would be cheaper to purchase my meals if everything was at the dollar menu at McDonalds, but that would be insanely unhealthy.
I've done this before, in fact my wife is out of the country this week and since my kids won't eat anything I make, I occasionally to get fast food at 2-3pm and call that lunch and dinner. Today it was 2 grilled burrito type things from Taco Bell...$2. Last night I made a small piece of wild salmon (on sale from Sprouts mind you) and broccoli...$9.
If you're careful it can be much cheaper to eat fast food than cook healthy food at home.
I don't think this is a fair comparison. How much would it have cost to make the burritos at home?
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I don't think this is a fair comparison. How much would it have cost to make the burritos at home?
Probably $1, and the quality would be higher.
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I don't think this is a fair comparison. How much would it have cost to make the burritos at home?
Probably $1, and the quality would be higher.
Except that someone has to stand in the kitchen (after standing in the store to buy the stuff) and make these things and then stand in the kitchen and do the dishes.
That's the part that drives me nuts, all the prep and clean up time for a 10 minute meal and the assumption that whoever is doing it has nothing better to do and will do it for free.
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I don't think this is a fair comparison. How much would it have cost to make the burritos at home?
Probably $1, and the quality would be higher.
Except that someone has to stand in the kitchen (after standing in the store to buy the stuff) and make these things and then stand in the kitchen and do the dishes.
That's the part that drives me nuts, all the prep and clean up time for a 10 minute meal and the assumption that whoever is doing it has nothing better to do and will do it for free.
You could use a $1 can of beans, plus some cheese and tortillas. The problem with this approach is that it costs slightly more, and your tortillas will go bad if you don't eat it frequently.
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I can get a pretty kickass $6.00 medium 1 topping pizza (not delivery though..), that's easily big enough for 2 people where I live. But we still make homemade pizza sometimes, even though it isn't really cheaper. I find making pizza really fun actually!
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"Except that someone has to stand in the kitchen (after standing in the store to buy the stuff) and make these things and then stand in the kitchen and do the dishes.
That's the part that drives me nuts, all the prep and clean up time for a 10 minute meal and the assumption that whoever is doing it has nothing better to do and will do it for free."
Doesn't it take time to get to Taco Bell? (I'm assuming thats a fast food place, we haven't got them here.) And really, we make time every day for sleeping and using the bathroom - when did it become such a big deal to set aside a few minutes a day to prepare healthy sustenance for our bodies? Disclaimer: I'm not American so some stuff you guys do/think seems a little weird to me ;)
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Doesn't it take time to get to Taco Bell? (I'm assuming thats a fast food place, we haven't got them here.) And really, we make time every day for sleeping and using the bathroom - when did it become such a big deal to set aside a few minutes a day to prepare healthy sustenance for our bodies? Disclaimer: I'm not American so some stuff you guys do/think seems a little weird to me ;)
No, I'm American and I agree. I see that mentality that cooking "takes too much time"... that's usually said by someone who spends their free time watching TV or other boring activities while waiting for the delivery man to show up. I enjoy spending time cooking with my wife. Hunting and gathering for food (grocery stores make it so easy) and then preparing a meal for your family is a pivotal part of life to be enjoyed, not skirted.
In my opinion at least.