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LOL at ads on the forum
« on: June 27, 2016, 08:11:07 AM »
Just had to do a triple-take on an ad at the bottom of the page, since it was so wildly out of place on here. 

Lease for a 2015 BMW i8, $1199/month.


My jaw just about hit the floor.  The idea simply doesn't compute in my world.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2016, 08:18:03 AM »
I was on Mad Fientist's blog the other day and it was plastered with Payday loan ads lol!

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2016, 08:55:01 AM »
If there's a bright side, MMM appears to have arranged it so that the ad slots are buried all the way at the bottom of the forum and the blog. He's passing up a lot of revenue he could have made if he re-positioned them in more prominent locations.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2016, 08:55:14 AM »
Ads?  What are ads?

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2016, 09:10:54 AM »
If there's a bright side, MMM appears to have arranged it so that the ad slots are buried all the way at the bottom of the forum and the blog. He's passing up a lot of revenue he could have made if he re-positioned them in more prominent locations.

+1

I normally don't even see the advertisements, I'm not sure why this one caught my eye.  I also know that which ads are displayed to you is influenced by not only the type of site, but also your recent browsing history, and geographic location.  A while back I was encouraged to spot a short-term promotional ad campaign that was for my employer, obviously based on location.  This lease ad, though, is off the wall on so many levels!

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2016, 09:40:35 AM »
Ads?  What are ads?

those people who dont use chrome with adblock see ads here.  i see none unless i turn it off.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2016, 09:51:54 AM »
There are usually ads for Edward Jones too. The incredibly high-cost investment middlemen that we routinely screed against.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2016, 10:02:43 AM »
Ads?  What are ads?

those people who dont use chrome with adblock see ads here.  i see none unless i turn it off.

Adblock is available for all popular browsers

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2016, 11:14:34 AM »
I'm getting an ad for a ridiculously large truck (brand name omitted). 

I do find it really intriguing that there are suddenly ads.  Is the forum getting too expensive to run?  I'm assuming the money is going to MMM, so I wonder what the revenue is meant for if it's not to pay the billz.   

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2016, 02:04:05 PM »
I'm getting an ad for a ridiculously large truck (brand name omitted). 

I do find it really intriguing that there are suddenly ads.  Is the forum getting too expensive to run?  I'm assuming the money is going to MMM, so I wonder what the revenue is meant for if it's not to pay the billz.   

There have been ads for quite a while... at least the two years or so I've been around.  Maybe you had ad block and now you don't or something?

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2016, 02:37:32 PM »
I'm getting an ad for a ridiculously large truck (brand name omitted). 


Me too which is funny because I don't like trucks. 

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2016, 06:18:42 PM »
FERD FTEENTHOUSAND

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2016, 06:42:27 PM »
Ad revenue is down considerably for all internet forums and blogs. A lot have shutdown from lack of revenue. If you want to keep this forum running, I recommend adding it to your "whitelist". It's a good way to thank Pete for all he does.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2016, 06:50:06 PM »
Ad revenue is down considerably for all internet forums and blogs. A lot have shutdown from lack of revenue. If you want to keep this forum running, I recommend adding it to your "whitelist". It's a good way to thank Pete for all he does.

If he hasn't saved 25 times annual hosting expenses from his ad revenue yet, I'm unsubscribing

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2016, 07:25:56 PM »
Ad revenue is down considerably for all internet forums and blogs. A lot have shutdown from lack of revenue. If you want to keep this forum running, I recommend adding it to your "whitelist". It's a good way to thank Pete for all he does.

If he hasn't saved 25 times annual hosting expenses from his ad revenue yet, I'm unsubscribing

So you are the reason why music on the radio is so terrible these days. Good to know.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2016, 08:31:53 PM »
And now I've got a truck ad!

If we discuss swimsuits, will the ads change?

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2016, 09:07:08 PM »
And now I've got a truck ad!

If we discuss swimsuits, will the ads change?


Probably.  Also, you know that if you actually click on the ad, it's likely that MMM will get a kickback just for going to their site from his even if you don't buy anything.  That's how it works with ads on YouTube anyway

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2016, 11:50:07 PM »
Ad revenue is down considerably for all internet forums and blogs. A lot have shutdown from lack of revenue. If you want to keep this forum running, I recommend adding it to your "whitelist". It's a good way to thank Pete for all he does.

Umm... didn't MMM just post that he's made $400K this year? I think he'll be alright...

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2016, 06:39:13 AM »
haha, just scrolled down to notice these. Mine was an offer to take a 7.99% personal loan out to go on vacation.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2016, 08:18:46 AM »
lol I saw one last night for a Dodge Ram 1500 that said 'your workday doesn't end at 5pm, so your truck should work overtime too.' 

I was amused.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2016, 08:28:58 AM »
Ironically this thread has no ad below it.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2016, 08:37:12 AM »
Ironically this thread has no ad below it.

Maybe you're using adblock?


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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2016, 08:58:12 AM »
Ironically this thread has no ad below it.

Maybe you're using adblock?


I don't see an ad at the bottom of threads either.  I only see the ad at bottom of the thread listings.  TBH I didn't even know there were ads until I saw this thread. I rarely go or pay attention to the bottom of the page.

Edit - Nevermind... after I came back to the thread I see an ad at the bottom now.  I doesn't seem to be always there though.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2016, 09:01:18 AM by Magilla »

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2016, 10:17:26 AM »
Ads?  What are ads?

those people who dont use chrome with adblock see ads here.  i see none unless i turn it off.

Adblock is available for all popular browsers

...and operating systems (Linux, iOS, Windows...)

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2016, 10:36:57 AM »
Ad revenue is down considerably for all internet forums and blogs. A lot have shutdown from lack of revenue. If you want to keep this forum running, I recommend adding it to your "whitelist". It's a good way to thank Pete for all he does.

Umm... didn't MMM just post that he's made $400K this year? I think he'll be alright...

That's the kind of reasoning that has led to authors trying to survive with Patreon donations and musicians having to make new albums with Pledge Music drives. Don't be like that.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2016, 10:47:58 AM »
Ad revenue is down considerably for all internet forums and blogs. A lot have shutdown from lack of revenue. If you want to keep this forum running, I recommend adding it to your "whitelist". It's a good way to thank Pete for all he does.

If he hasn't saved 25 times annual hosting expenses from his ad revenue yet, I'm unsubscribing

So you are the reason why music on the radio is so terrible these days. Good to know.

Music on the radio is so terrible because of the flawed ad revenue model, not because of me. 

Ad revenue is down considerably for all internet forums and blogs. A lot have shutdown from lack of revenue. If you want to keep this forum running, I recommend adding it to your "whitelist". It's a good way to thank Pete for all he does.

Umm... didn't MMM just post that he's made $400K this year? I think he'll be alright...

That's the kind of reasoning that has led to authors trying to survive with Patreon donations and musicians having to make new albums with Pledge Music drives. Don't be like that.

MMM claims that he does this to help the world/environment, not to make money.  He claims he spends a tiny fraction of what his wealth and income allow, and that he doesn't believe spending more money would make him happier.  Taking him at his word, I see no reason he needs another penny in ad revenue. 
 
I suspect he is trying to skim "free money" from advertisers with the least user annoyance, not actually trying to sell us expensive trucks.  Good for him, but if I were a betting man, I would bet that he himself uses Adblock

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2016, 11:33:06 AM »
First of all, advertising is evil to begin with. MMM and we on this forum know that better than most!

Second, Internet advertising is particularly dangerous, both as a vector for malware and as a violation of privacy. If you see an ad online, it is an indication that you are being stalked and hunted by the likes of Facebook and Google (and by extension, any government that can subpoena their databases). You may not be concerned about that, but you should be -- your privacy on the Internet is at least as important as the confidentiality of your library records, and for the same reasons.

Third, MMM doesn't need the money.

For any of those reasons, I have no moral qualms about blocking the ads.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2016, 12:17:01 PM »
If the ads are selected based on the words we use in our own posts, then if I ever turn off ad-blocker I'll be deluged with offers of... oh, dear.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2016, 11:12:25 PM »
Ad revenue is down considerably for all internet forums and blogs. A lot have shutdown from lack of revenue. If you want to keep this forum running, I recommend adding it to your "whitelist". It's a good way to thank Pete for all he does.

Umm... didn't MMM just post that he's made $400K this year? I think he'll be alright...

That's the kind of reasoning that has led to authors trying to survive with Patreon donations and musicians having to make new albums with Pledge Music drives. Don't be like that.

Maybe if they produced material that was worth paying for, they'd be paid for it.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2016, 01:06:26 AM »
Ad revenue is down considerably for all internet forums and blogs. A lot have shutdown from lack of revenue. If you want to keep this forum running, I recommend adding it to your "whitelist". It's a good way to thank Pete for all he does.

Umm... didn't MMM just post that he's made $400K this year? I think he'll be alright...

That's the kind of reasoning that has led to authors trying to survive with Patreon donations and musicians having to make new albums with Pledge Music drives. Don't be like that.

Maybe if they produced material that was worth paying for, they'd be paid for it.

I honestly don't see what's wrong with crowd funded models where people pay musicians to make music.  Are the big labels somehow Better?  Aren't they why "music on the radio is so terrible these days"?  Maybe all these so called artists should just write catchy songs about Pepsi and coke and reap the sweet marketing dollars?

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2016, 02:00:21 AM »
Haha, my ad is for Petrossian caviar. I've never even had caviar. Ungodly expensive stuff; $290 USD for 30 grams!

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2016, 06:21:10 AM »
Haha, my ad is for Petrossian caviar. I've never even had caviar. Ungodly expensive stuff; $290 USD for 30 grams!

Must be your username, or at least the "Luxury" part.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2016, 08:52:43 AM »
Mine is for a RAM truck, which I just don't understand as I haven't ever searched for a truck.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2016, 09:06:53 AM »
And now I've got a truck ad!

If we discuss swimsuits, will the ads change?

Let make this interesting....

Lets throw out some suggestions and see what we get for ads below

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2016, 09:20:45 AM »
And now I've got a truck ad!

If we discuss swimsuits, will the ads change?

Let make this interesting....

Lets throw out some suggestions and see what we get for ads below

What if we talk about bicycles?

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2016, 10:52:05 AM »
And now I've got a truck ad!

If we discuss swimsuits, will the ads change?

Let make this interesting....

Lets throw out some suggestions and see what we get for ads below

What if we talk about bicycles?

I've always wanted one of those recumbent bicycles. A fellow I used to work with made them, but he retired several years ago and I lost touch. Also, his bikes are custom made whereas I prefer to try before I buy. Does anyone have experience with recumbent bicycles?

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2016, 11:02:52 AM »
On the topic of adblock, I want to chime in: I do not make $400k a year with my site, but I have a plugin that detects that 50% of my viewers use adblock. I can't help but calculate I would not have to go to my 9-to-5 if adblock wasn't so widely used. Instead I could focus 40h more hours a week making my site better for my users. It would be huge for me and for them.

Adblock users can pretend they're not doing anything wrong, but they are part of the problem. There was a great article on arstechnica explaining that the growing trend of ad blocking is one of the main reasons ads are so intrusive nowadays: site owners compensate by showing even more terrible ads to the few users who don't have adblock.

It's a vicious circle, and adblock users, whether they like it or not, are a big part of the problem.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2016, 11:11:00 AM »
On the topic of adblock, I want to chime in: I do not make $400k a year with my site, but I have a plugin that detects that 50% of my viewers use adblock. I can't help but calculate I would not have to go to my 9-to-5 if adblock wasn't so widely used. Instead I could focus 40h more hours a week making my site better for my users. It would be huge for me and for them.

Adblock users can pretend they're not doing anything wrong, but they are part of the problem. There was a great article on arstechnica explaining that the growing trend of ad blocking is one of the main reasons ads are so intrusive nowadays: site owners compensate by showing even more terrible ads to the few users who don't have adblock.

It's a vicious circle, and adblock users, whether they like it or not, are a big part of the problem.

Ads have been terrible from the beginning - that's what prompted the invention of popup blockers in the first place.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2016, 11:55:54 AM »
I'm not saying ad blocking started the problem, but it's now a major contributor to this vicious circle.

The growing trend is that ads are now disguised into "content", and tools like adblock largely contribute to this problem: It's easier to show an ad to your audience if they believe it's actual content, adblock can't do anything about that. For example just check how many personal finance bloggers out there talk about personal capital, wealthfront, or betterment, and look at how many of those are ads in disguise.

I'd rather have ads identified as such on my site (adsense comes to mind) than articles touting a product while claiming it's a review or a tutorial. I'm not afraid to say ad blocking is going to lead many site owners to be dishonest with their audiences, it already does. How long can a site owner reject juicy affiliate marketing offers for "sponsored articles" or "reviews" when the alternate revenue source (ads) is going down every year due to the growing trend of ad blocking?

If you haven't watched it already, I strongly recommend South Park's latest season to get a funny representation of a growing and concerning problem.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2016, 12:11:29 PM »
I'm not saying ad blocking started the problem, but it's now a major contributor to this vicious circle.

The growing trend is that ads are now disguised into "content", and tools like adblock largely contribute to this problem: It's easier to show an ad to your audience if they believe it's actual content, adblock can't do anything about that. For example just check how many personal finance bloggers out there talk about personal capital, wealthfront, or betterment, and look at how many of those are ads in disguise.

I'd rather have ads identified as such on my site (adsense comes to mind) than articles touting a product while claiming it's a review or a tutorial. I'm not afraid to say ad blocking is going to lead many site owners to be dishonest with their audiences, it already does. How long can a site owner reject juicy affiliate marketing offers for "sponsored articles" or "reviews" when the alternate revenue source (ads) is going down every year due to the growing trend of ad blocking?

If you haven't watched it already, I strongly recommend South Park's latest season to get a funny representation of a growing and concerning problem.

This problem is older than the Internet. Go watch any 1950s sitcom and count the product placement. Or before that, listen to an old radio soap opera. Or before that, read the contents of newspapers and magazines.

The underlying problem is business models funded by propaganda. Claiming that blocking that propaganda is part of the problem is blaming the victim.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2016, 12:28:18 PM »
On the topic of adblock, I want to chime in: I do not make $400k a year with my site, but I have a plugin that detects that 50% of my viewers use adblock. I can't help but calculate I would not have to go to my 9-to-5 if adblock wasn't so widely used. Instead I could focus 40h more hours a week making my site better for my users. It would be huge for me and for them.

Adblock users can pretend they're not doing anything wrong, but they are part of the problem. There was a great article on arstechnica explaining that the growing trend of ad blocking is one of the main reasons ads are so intrusive nowadays: site owners compensate by showing even more terrible ads to the few users who don't have adblock.

It's a vicious circle, and adblock users, whether they like it or not, are a big part of the problem.

It's actually really simple to get around Adblock.  Sell static ads.  Yes, the user could actively block that with a custom filter, but it won't be automated like the Facebook/Google/tracker ads.  And that's the number one reason I use as block- to reduce the amount of cross site tracking bullshit that goes on.

If MMM sold ad space at the bottom of the page with a static image, for a product actually endorsed by MMM, I would not block it.  Isn't that how he started with his MMM recommends page?  He could even stick a link to MMM recommends at the bottom of each page or a custom rotating banner that only used those links-- again, Adblock would not catch this since it's not one of those widespread tracker script ads

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2016, 12:30:58 PM »
Jack and dragoncar: fair points.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #42 on: June 29, 2016, 12:37:21 PM »
I do also use his referral link before shopping at amazon/- that's probably the only way he gets money from me.  It doesn't cost me anything extra, but I also don't use amazon that much.  I do wish I could recover the referral fees they pay

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #43 on: June 29, 2016, 12:42:46 PM »
I'm rebuilding my laptop today because Microsoft decided to push Windows 10 Home "Upgrade" to my Windows 10 Pro.  So I have a new OS build and browsers.  This thread has reminded me to get my adblock plugin.  I understand how capitalism works, and for the most part, I think it is wonderful.  However, I'm tired of being tracked and marketed to.  I don't want or need most things that are advertised.  I don't need my pages loading slower because of some poorly written ad. 

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #44 on: June 29, 2016, 12:53:51 PM »
I'm rebuilding my laptop today because Microsoft decided to push Windows 10 Home "Upgrade" to my Windows 10 Pro.

Sue for $10,000! ; )

Also, Windows 10 has the tracking and marketing built into the OS. Since you're reinstalling anyway, install Linux instead. Otherwise, you will be condemned to maintaining workarounds forever. (Note: you can't trust anything running on the actual Windows machine to block all tracking; the tracking domains need to be blacklisted at your router.)

I do also use his referral link before shopping at amazon/- that's probably the only way he gets money from me.  It doesn't cost me anything extra, but I also don't use amazon that much.  I do wish I could recover the referral fees they pay

Somewhat off-topic: anybody know if you can use a referral link and Amazon Smile at the same time?

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2016, 01:57:00 PM »
Somewhat off-topic: anybody know if you can use a referral link and Amazon Smile at the same time?
No, you can't.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2016, 03:38:33 PM »
And now I've got a truck ad!

If we discuss swimsuits, will the ads change?

Let make this interesting....

Lets throw out some suggestions and see what we get for ads below

What if we talk about bicycles?

I've always wanted one of those recumbent bicycles. A fellow I used to work with made them, but he retired several years ago and I lost touch. Also, his bikes are custom made whereas I prefer to try before I buy. Does anyone have experience with recumbent bicycles?

I used to see one around town. They are the lowest thing on the road. That's what scared me about them. A bicycle is hard to see, a recumbent ever tougher to see?

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2016, 04:19:25 PM »
And now I've got a truck ad!

If we discuss swimsuits, will the ads change?

Let make this interesting....

Lets throw out some suggestions and see what we get for ads below

What if we talk about bicycles?

I've always wanted one of those recumbent bicycles. A fellow I used to work with made them, but he retired several years ago and I lost touch. Also, his bikes are custom made whereas I prefer to try before I buy. Does anyone have experience with recumbent bicycles?

I used to see one around town. They are the lowest thing on the road. That's what scared me about them. A bicycle is hard to see, a recumbent ever tougher to see?

In my town, folks put brightly colored flags on top to help correct for that. I'd still worry about being decapitated by some Bubba in a bicycle-crunching jacked up monster vehicle. Most of my riding is on bike-only paths inaccessible by car anyway, because the drivers in my city are often drunken morons.

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #48 on: July 05, 2016, 12:14:52 PM »
I'd love to ride one on the bike paths but alas our town doesn't have bike paths yet. One is in the planning stages but it won't go anywhere useful. We'll have fun on it though. 

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Re: LOL at ads on the forum
« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2016, 12:49:26 PM »
And now I've got a truck ad!

If we discuss swimsuits, will the ads change?

Let make this interesting....

Lets throw out some suggestions and see what we get for ads below

What if we talk about bicycles?

I've always wanted one of those recumbent bicycles. A fellow I used to work with made them, but he retired several years ago and I lost touch. Also, his bikes are custom made whereas I prefer to try before I buy. Does anyone have experience with recumbent bicycles?

I used to see one around town. They are the lowest thing on the road. That's what scared me about them. A bicycle is hard to see, a recumbent ever tougher to see?

In my town, folks put brightly colored flags on top to help correct for that. I'd still worry about being decapitated by some Bubba in a bicycle-crunching jacked up monster vehicle. Most of my riding is on bike-only paths inaccessible by car anyway, because the drivers in my city are often drunken morons.

I've seen this weird bicycle around the city a few times: http://imgur.com/hv3ywnC

Also spotted a yellow one that only looked like it had two wheels heading down a busy road. Not sure how he stops or can even view cross flow traffic properly. It looked more like this one: http://www.adventuresofgreg.com/HPVlog/photos/05-19-06/big/DSC02542.JPG