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Title: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Joet on July 15, 2013, 04:18:33 PM
(http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s430/meh3212/michelin_zps04c0535c.jpg) (http://s1051.photobucket.com/user/meh3212/media/michelin_zps04c0535c.jpg.html)

(http://www.tirebuyer.com/medias/sys_master/celum_assets/8799268470814_1000x1000j_michelin_latitudetourhp_bsw_2922_jpg.jpg)

High performance Wet/Dry all-season tire, rated/warrantied for 55k miles or about another 5 years at current driving rate. I tried to buy something cheaper, I tried to set the SUV on fire and go with a 1988 hyundai excel but failed. I simply went for and chose the highest performance/best quality tire I could find in my price range. The Bridgestone Dueller OE tires would have saved a solid $300

Oh anti-MMM ways, I can't quit you
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Villanelle on July 15, 2013, 04:21:38 PM
You spent $1200 on tires?!?!  I had no idea that existed.  I've always driven small, cheap cars and I knew tires for them were less than for larger cars, but I had no idea it was that much less.

Did you shop around, a lot?  Is that truly the best price out there?  Sweet baby Jesus on a pogo stick; people buy entire cars for $1200!
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Joet on July 15, 2013, 04:23:46 PM
costco, americas tires, tires direct, tire rack, and random googl-ing used. I'm sure it's possible someone will find a lower load rating/speed rating/leftover of the same tire for less but I did my best

Yes, SUV/light truck tires cost more than those for your lawn mower. Last month I replaced the REARS of my 335i for ~$900, and that was a good deal. Those last me about 20k miles
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Another Reader on July 15, 2013, 04:28:33 PM
Why did you buy tires?  Isn't the car going to be traded in soon?  Can't have an old car - someone might think you are on welfare!

Can't argue about the price.  You could go with cheaper tires, but a  pair of Yokohama Geolandars for the Highlander were over $500 last winter.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: EK on July 15, 2013, 04:31:31 PM
I paid $1200 for my car.  It came with tires.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: ChiStache on July 15, 2013, 04:31:58 PM
Ahhhh, Sport Utility Vehicles. The gifts that keep on giving (face punches).
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Eric on July 15, 2013, 04:43:49 PM
I hope you at least mail in the rebate forms.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: footenote on July 15, 2013, 04:54:10 PM
The "nicer" of our two cars (both paid-for-with-cash) is a 1998 Passat, clocking 175,000+ miles. The Kelley Blue Book value is $1,330. I enjoy driving it a lot.

Thanks for enhancing my enjoyment of our Passat, JoeT - such a mitzvah you have done for me!
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Joet on July 15, 2013, 05:27:50 PM
does your shoulder hurt at all? maybe a little sore?
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: kendallf on July 15, 2013, 05:34:39 PM
A friend of mine has an Infiniti Whateverlargemobile, and his tires (19" in a low profile size) were ~$2k last year.  My own anti-Mustachemobile, a supercharged Ford Lightning that gets 14 mpg, recently got rear tires for less than $300, and those were 20".  I think the 20s are popular now and so are cheaper.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: tomsang on July 15, 2013, 05:46:50 PM
Joet you perplex me.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Joet on July 15, 2013, 05:52:21 PM
I don't understand the perplexion. vehicle needs tires. Sure I could get some retreads or take the wife to take the bus (this is her car) or hang out on craigslist or pick up those geolanders mentioned (in this size It's still over $800 installed after tax)
Selling the vehicle wasnt on the table (this is the wifes car). As anti-MMM as it may be, her decision is to own it another 5 years. These are the best tires for the $ I could find. The end. Thank you for listening. baby steps and all that. I understand it is facepunch worthy to continue down the path of not owning a $1200 automobile (or whatever the MMM preferred level of automobile value is if I am mistaken)
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Paul der Krake on July 15, 2013, 06:07:21 PM
At least they're big, in 55k miles they will be easy targets to practice throwing spirals through them in your yard. :)
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: footenote on July 15, 2013, 06:14:33 PM
Updates:
1) I was wrong: DH's 1994 Saturn is worth over $1,400, making it the "nicer" car in our household.

2) I forgot to mention that the Passat is a turbo 4 manual: dump dat clutch!
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Joet on July 15, 2013, 06:17:27 PM
you still ok with that shoulder?
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: renbutler on July 15, 2013, 06:29:46 PM
Ahhhh, Sport Utility Vehicles. The gifts that keep on giving (face punches).

In the spring we bought four tires for our mid-size SUV. Perfectly fine tires rated for 50,000 miles.

Only $428 for the set of four.

Granted, we got a discount because my niece's husband works there. But not every SUV owner has to pay $1000-plus for tires.

(Our SUV was also the lowest cost to insure of any other vehicle -- not just among SUVs -- in its model year. It gets over 20 mpg reliably too.)
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Russ on July 15, 2013, 06:31:59 PM
you still ok with that shoulder?

I take it you mean the chip thereon? I'm not sure what else you expected posting this. Sympathy? Or confirmation you did the right thing? Good luck
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Another Reader on July 15, 2013, 06:39:56 PM
You wanted the face punches....

I don't object to newer cars, and I don't really object to overweight gas guzzlers except on environmental grounds.  It's your money.  As long as you are spending consciously, you "conform" to the MMM way of thinking.  What I find very silly is this dance you are doing with your wife and the participants of this forum.  You post the expenditures, say they are deserving of face punches, and then dismiss every criticism as if it is coming from unknowledgeable and financially inferior people to justify what you have done.  What's the point?  Do you feel better about what you are doing?

My guess is you will never reach FI.  I'm not a huge Dave Ramsey fan, but I think he is correct in observing that you cannot out earn a spender.  The more you make, the more the lifestyle is inflated and the further away FI is because of the increased spending.  Your FI "goal" won't even support your current lifestyle.  How are you going to catch up to the spending?  And neither you nor your wife seem to understand that there is little correlation between spending and happiness, which is a major theme running through this blog and the forums.

Oh, well, have a good time in Fiji.  It will give you a topic of conversation when you get back to work with the rest of the high level wage slaves.   
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Joet on July 15, 2013, 06:54:10 PM
woah relax there tough guy. I know it isnt a good thing, and I realize you guys (some of you?) expect me to go from zero to hero in 12 days or whatever. I'm making progress, and doing better. Hopefully you and yours and everyone else is moving along at a pace/consumption path they are happy with. Alright, I'm done here, looks like the lifestyle attacks are en route, further replies will be ignored-- I promise not to look at this thread again. (even if I am honestly curious what kind of retreads where avail for $400!)
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: arebelspy on July 15, 2013, 07:00:16 PM
You clearly troll for responses, then act the martyr.

I can't remember the last time I said this (middle school?), but you really need to grow up.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: footenote on July 15, 2013, 07:36:58 PM
woah relax there tough guy. I know it isnt a good thing, and I realize you guys (some of you?) expect me to go from zero to hero in 12 days or whatever. I'm making progress, and doing better. Hopefully you and yours and everyone else is moving along at a pace/consumption path they are happy with. Alright, I'm done here, looks like the lifestyle attacks are en route, further replies will be ignored-- I promise not to look at this thread again. (even if I am honestly curious what kind of retreads where avail for $400!)
As I hope I have made plain in previous (other) threads, I'm a big JoeT fan! I wasn't trying to make you feel bad. I was just saying how I felt about our current vehicles vs. your current tire expense. That's less judgmental and more highlighting contrasting experiences.

I have been (close to) where you are today. I am rooting for you. I hope you can stay here and accept sincere feedback that is (at times) a little tough but sincere and genuinely supportive. (OK, at least mine is.) Hang in there. xoxo
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: arebelspy on July 15, 2013, 11:09:15 PM
As I hope I have made plain in previous (other) threads, I'm a big JoeT fan! I wasn't trying to make you feel bad. I was just saying how I felt about our current vehicles vs. your current tire expense. That's less judgmental and more highlighting contrasting experiences.

I have been (close to) where you are today. I am rooting for you. I hope you can stay here and accept sincere feedback that is (at times) a little tough but sincere and genuinely supportive. (OK, at least mine is.) Hang in there. xoxo

If this message is important, you may want to PM him, as he's claimed he's not going to read this thread again in a classic "take my ball and go home and pout" scenario.  (I call bullshit.)

If you don't care if he reads it, whatever, no need.

:)
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: limeandpepper on July 16, 2013, 05:23:01 AM
Alright, I'm done here, looks like the lifestyle attacks are en route, further replies will be ignored-- I promise not to look at this thread again.

So you post in the Antimustachian Wall of Shame and Comedy, your subject title says "Posting here for the facepunches", and yet you feel wounded when you get exactly what you seem to be asking for. Strange.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Micheal on July 16, 2013, 05:51:19 AM
I must be a lucky S.O.B. or its just a rural thing, I get my tires from a guy who does em for $35 a pop, has done for years.  I bring in my rims and he takes off the old one and puts ona new tire, checks for leaks then balances them.  He's one of those awesome old school types who can balance a tire just by bouncing it, and adding weights.  You may want to look into a small tire shop in your area, make friends with the farmers and old guys who hang out in gas station booths in the A.M. they will tell you who is good and who will screw you among other great things.  But spending 1200 on tires is just not necessary.  Your local wally world would have them for cheaper.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: SnackDog on July 16, 2013, 07:18:59 AM
At least you got free valve stems. Not bad...
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: prodarwin on July 16, 2013, 08:53:57 AM
My first thought was:  55k miles?  That's not bad at all. 

Seriously.  Over the course of owning that vehicle for 100k miles, $1200 in tires is almost trivial.

My second thought was:  All season tires?  Ewww
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: GoStumpy on July 16, 2013, 08:59:09 AM
Agree ^

If you get 55k miles out of these, they're costing you ~2 cents per mile... lol :)
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: arebelspy on July 16, 2013, 10:33:40 AM
Agree ^

If you get 55k miles out of these, they're costing you ~2 cents per mile... lol :)

And if he paid half that, $600, it'd only be one cent per mile.

Would it be okay to pay double, 2400, because that's "only" 4 cents per mile?

Breaking down the cost per use a lot of times is ridiculous.  What you should be comparing it to is alternatives.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: GoStumpy on July 16, 2013, 10:37:23 AM
Tires are not something to cheap out on.  Any wealthy person will tell you, don't skimp on certain things.

Shoes are one, and tires are shoes for your car... Don't skimp on the important stuff.

Cheap tires will wear out in 25k miles, or they won't provide good traction in emergency situations...

Sorry, tires are one thing I will never skimp on.  They are (hopefully) the only part of your vehicle touching the road!
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Joet on July 16, 2013, 10:40:55 AM
alright I peeked (I know I said I wouldn't) but I only rapidly skimmed:


*accepts facepunches


Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: arebelspy on July 16, 2013, 10:56:18 AM
Shoes are one, and tires are shoes for your car.

Oh, got it.

Ski boots are shoes for when I'm skiing.  I'm assuming I shouldn't skimp on those.  $1,295 is reasonable (http://gearjunkie.com/apex-ski-boot), right?  Ditto, of course, with things like waterskis.

How much is a reasonable price to make sure I'm not skimping on bowling shoes?

How about shoes for my cats (http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser/files/2011/10/puss-in-boots.jpg)?  I probably shouldn't skimp on those, right?

I'm assuming if I play horseshoes I should buy a very expensive set.

Getting an expensive shoehorn is probably going overboard. 

Or is it?
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: GoStumpy on July 16, 2013, 11:10:48 AM
I think you're going a bit overboard here :)

Cheapest possible:  $128ea ($512 total) with a 60k Mile Warranty (Dunlop SP)
Most Expensive: $315ea ($1260 total) with a 30k Mile Warranty (Michelin Latitude)
(according to tirerack.com)


Ok, you're right.  He went with the absolute most expensive... which works out to just over double the price of the cheapest...

I can't defend that... I'm a guy that will buy a name-brand tire like BFG or Michelin instead of General or Kumho, but I think Dunlop makes pretty decent tires...
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Forcus on July 16, 2013, 11:12:13 AM
Sorry, tires are one thing I will never skimp on.  They are (hopefully) the only part of your vehicle touching the road!

Agreed. I've had many, many sets of new and used tires and people do not put enough emphasis on this. In the old days, sure, you could throw used tires on and be OK, because all vehicles were comparatively low performance (60-0 braking in over 200 feet, for example). Now, not so much. I've even shyed away from low rolling resistance tires, because naturally the trade off is static and dynamic traction. In addition, Michelins are generally very long wearing tires, my only complaint is usually the sidewalls weather check before the tread is worn out (but sidewalls not cracked to a dangerous point).

Of course the choice of vehicle and its resultant wheel size is another subject. I am not that old but remember when 16's were considered big wheels :)
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Jamesqf on July 16, 2013, 11:13:34 AM
Cheap tires will wear out in 25k miles, or they won't provide good traction in emergency situations...

Not necessarily so.  In fact, expensive "performance" tires may well wear out sooner than less expensive alternatives.

As per the example GoStumpy just posted :-)
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: arebelspy on July 16, 2013, 11:35:14 AM
I think you're going a bit overboard here :)

Naturally.  Sometimes being silly is the best way to make a point.  Reductio ad absurdum can be useful.  :)

Ok, you're right.  He went with the absolute most expensive...

Thanks.  There's a difference between paying for quality and making sure you're being safe and buying the absolute most expensive just because.

I totally agree with you not to skimp on tires.  I rode a motorcycle for awhile, and that's one thing you just don't skimp on.  But that doesn't mean you use that as an excuse to justify mindlessly spending as much as you can.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: GoStumpy on July 16, 2013, 11:45:33 AM

I totally agree with you not to skimp on tires.  I rode a motorcycle for awhile, and that's one thing you just don't skimp on.  But that doesn't mean you use that as an excuse to justify mindlessly spending as much as you can.

(http://www.paranoland.com/emoticones-smileys/smileys/panneaux/10.gif)
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: prodarwin on July 16, 2013, 12:03:22 PM
I'm a guy that will buy a name-brand tire like BFG or Michelin instead of General or Kumho, but I think Dunlop makes pretty decent tires...

This statement is a bit silly. 

ALL of those companies make good tires, and ALL of those companies make shitty tires.  It varies from tire to tire. 
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: GoStumpy on July 16, 2013, 12:11:20 PM
Yes and no... they all make different tires, for different applications, some good in dry, some good in wet, some good at long life, some good in snow, etc... The cheap ones are usually only good at one thing, the expensive ones can be good at two or more things in one tire :thumbup:


In my defense, I'm only in this thread because I'm currently shopping for some tires for my new vehicle purchase, and found Yokohama Geolander's for ~$141/tire, I'm sure there are cheaper options, but these do everything I need the best.

I also found 4 one-season used studded snow tires for $200 for all 4, I just need to find rims to put them on.  That's a great deal!
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Villanelle on July 16, 2013, 12:19:12 PM
Some of you are deluding yourselves, and doing it the ways that often keep people broke.

Sure, paying for qualify makes sense.  But it's being used as an excuse to give one's self permission to be excessive.  Yes, buying decent shoes can mean they last longer and are more comfortable.  But the logical conclusion of that is not that buying a $700 pair if Jimmy Choos is anywhere near reasonable. Joe's car now has a pair of Jimmy Choo shoes. 
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Joet on July 16, 2013, 12:27:22 PM
Are you seriously equating Michelin Latitude Touring HPs vs Dunlop SPs as Jimmy Choos vs flip flops? ok, lol.

The Michelins are superior in all categories, and that 60k mile warranty on the Dunlops are worth about what you pay for it: nada

It's a premium product in all respects (handling, load, safety, wet/dry performance) and those parameters aren't even remotely comparable to a designer shoe. The cost is higher than this forum thinks is reasonable to spend on an entire vehicle--let alone tires or the emissions of said vehicle. I get it.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: tomsang on July 16, 2013, 01:07:28 PM
The reason I am perplexed is not the tires, but your posts.  It is almost like you get joy out of posting on the antimustachian wall of shame.  Your posts are not posed as a learning experience or anything positive.  In fact you post it here, yet you defend the purchase.  Obviously, you know that it is Antimustachian by posting it in this forum, yet you are saying that they are a great value. 

Your various posts on your purchases and your wife's purchases appear to be a forum to brag about how much money you spend or make.  Which is perplexing as your posts on other topics are insightful and wise.  If you didn't have so many insightful posts, I would think that you are just a Troll. So I a perplexed on why you have been posting your receipts, your trip to Fiji, your tires, all your indiscretions, your wife's indiscretions, etc.  What are you trying to learn or share? 

To me they just come across as a warped way to brag about all the money that you are making and spending vs. anything constructive.  It just seems like you are on the wrong website, unless you like the attention of being the blacksheep.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Joet on July 16, 2013, 01:10:30 PM
point taken, thank you. I guess I am over-sharing
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: arebelspy on July 16, 2013, 01:19:21 PM
The reason I am perplexed is not the tires, but your posts.  It is almost like you get joy out of posting on the antimustachian wall of shame.  Your posts are not posed as a learning experience or anything positive.  In fact you post it here, yet you defend the purchase.  Obviously, you know that it is Antimustachian by posting it in this forum, yet you are saying that they are a great value. 

Your various posts on your purchases and your wife's purchases appear to be a forum to brag about how much money you spend or make.  Which is perplexing as your posts on other topics are insightful and wise.  If you didn't have so many insightful posts, I would think that you are just a Troll. So I a perplexed on why you have been posting your receipts, your trip to Fiji, your tires, all your indiscretions, your wife's indiscretions, etc.  What are you trying to learn or share? 

To me they just come across as a warped way to brag about all the money that you are making and spending vs. anything constructive.  It just seems like you are on the wrong website, unless you like the attention of being the blacksheep.

You said it in a much nicer way than I did:
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You clearly troll for responses, then act the martyr.

I can't remember the last time I said this (middle school?), but you really need to grow up.

point taken, thank you. I guess I am over-sharing

It's not about over-sharing. Some of us share plenty of personal financial info.  It's about the attitude while doing it, and after.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: footenote on July 16, 2013, 01:25:06 PM
The reason I am perplexed is not the tires, but your posts.  It is almost like you get joy out of posting on the antimustachian wall of shame.  Your posts are not posed as a learning experience or anything positive.  In fact you post it here, yet you defend the purchase.  Obviously, you know that it is Antimustachian by posting it in this forum, yet you are saying that they are a great value. 

Your various posts on your purchases and your wife's purchases appear to be a forum to brag about how much money you spend or make.  Which is perplexing as your posts on other topics are insightful and wise.  If you didn't have so many insightful posts, I would think that you are just a Troll. So I a perplexed on why you have been posting your receipts, your trip to Fiji, your tires, all your indiscretions, your wife's indiscretions, etc.  What are you trying to learn or share? 

To me they just come across as a warped way to brag about all the money that you are making and spending vs. anything constructive.  It just seems like you are on the wrong website, unless you like the attention of being the blacksheep.

You said it in a much nicer way than I did:
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You clearly troll for responses, then act the martyr.

I can't remember the last time I said this (middle school?), but you really need to grow up.

point taken, thank you. I guess I am over-sharing

It's not about over-sharing. Some of us share plenty of personal financial info.  It's about the attitude while doing it, and after.
If you're explicitly confessing to an act you are either somewhat ambivalent about or downright regretful of, please read and interact instead of storming off in a snit. (And then returning.) I, for one, was supportive. But you were snotty in return.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: lisahi on July 16, 2013, 03:01:01 PM
I'll admit to spending around $1000 recently for 4 tires. Before I started trying to be mustachian, I bought a new 2011 Hyundai Sonata. It's not a gas guzzler, and it's a dependable car, so it's served me well. But I allowed my Dad (who is in love with negotiating to buy cars) to pick out the specific Hyundai Sonata I eventually purchased. Turns out it's a Sports model with tires so rare that neither Costco nor Sam's Club carry them. You see, last time I got a tire replaced, the shop failed to align it properly and, well, bald tires up front. The back two tires were riddled with nails going sideways through the rubber because my neighborhood has been under construction this past year. All four tires needed to be replaced. I was out of town and we could only find these "special" tires at Firestone (forgive me, I know little about tires, but it's not the brand of tire that is special, it's the type of tire, and I don't have the terminology to explain it here). Firestone made two versions of this tire, only one of which was in stock and, well, $1000. On the up side, I get free alignment and rotation for life at Firestone now. Yeah.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: arebelspy on July 16, 2013, 03:09:43 PM
Being forced into a situation where you had to do something unMustachian (out of town needing the replacement ASAP, I'm assuming?) is different than deliberately choosing otherwise.

And it's different than posting about it on purpose to brag about your poor spending. :)

On the up side, I get free alignment and rotation for life at Firestone now. Yeah.

lol.  Nice.  :)
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Forcus on July 16, 2013, 03:35:47 PM
Well, to turn this in to something useful (ha), I use Tire Rack's reviews (both customer and their own) and charts to make a decision. I would say after buying maybe 10 sets of tires through them, their observations generally mirror my own. Sometimes they aren't the cheapest but on the whole they seem to be a quality outfit and stand behind their product so that's worth a little more in my book.

As far as cost vs. quality, it's an interesting scale. Low end (less expensive) does not necessarily mean low quality. For example, I value traction and handling, cost, tread life, and tire noise in that order. I have been buying Continental ContiSport Contact (I think that's what it's called, would have to look) which IIRC is considered high performance to ultra high performance all season tire. It definitely delivers in dry and wet traction, and is even more than acceptable in snow. However it is a noisy sumb*tch with some miles on it (note, I do not know if this is the tire, my rotation schedule, or the alignment quirks of my particular car). I have noticed this also with similar Kumho and Falken products. However, since I know what I value, it is an acceptable trade off to have a tire which is about half the cost of a moderately high end well-known brand name tire. Also it helps that it is a common size (225/45R17), which will tend to lower tire costs. If you know what you are looking for it's a compromise in optimisation like everything else.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: TLV on July 16, 2013, 03:45:59 PM
I just looked up tires for my car (2005 Scion xA) on Tire Rack. The most expensive tire listed there was only $512 for a set of 4, including the optional Road Hazard insurance. For our previous car, a 2001 Subaru Forester, the most expensive set is $600. Are tires for certain other cars really double the cost, or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: GoStumpy on July 16, 2013, 04:10:16 PM
18" low profile tires are definitely more expensive than 15 or 16" tires!
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: BlueMR2 on July 16, 2013, 05:25:36 PM
Good tires cost money.  Having good tires has saved my life before.  The prices are annoyingly high though.  My cars just have 16" wheels, but tires are $250 a piece, when you can find them.  It's getting really hard to fine 16" tires wide enough to fit my cars anymore.  I just bought 16" wheels a few years back because I couldn't find any tires that fit the stock 14" wheels anymore.  Sigh.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: mlipps on July 16, 2013, 05:49:28 PM
So did Joet delete his profile? All his posts say "Guest" now...
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Jamesqf on July 16, 2013, 06:06:06 PM
Are tires for certain other cars really double the cost, or am I missing something?

I think so: the size of the tire.  The OEM tires for my Insight (Bridgestone Potenza RE92 P165/65R14, a smallish but fairly exotic LRR tire) come in at only $79 each.  Other tires the same size come in around $40 or less.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: arebelspy on July 16, 2013, 06:20:23 PM
So did Joet delete his profile? All his posts say "Guest" now...

It appears so.  I don't believe any admins deleted it, but I could be wrong, it looks like he deleted it himself.

Amazing how well his posting fit the pattern of the others who lasted awhile then deleted their accounts.

Anyone remember the username of that high income lady troll about a year ago?
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: footenote on July 16, 2013, 06:55:43 PM
So did Joet delete his profile? All his posts say "Guest" now...

It appears so.  I don't believe any admins deleted it, but I could be wrong, it looks like he deleted it himself.

Amazing how well his posting fit the pattern of the others who lasted awhile then deleted their accounts.

Anyone remember the username of that high income lady troll about a year ago?
Wow. If he did delete it, that is one fragile persona. I hope it isn't so and wish him the best.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: dragoncar on July 16, 2013, 07:07:48 PM
Still says Joet for me.  As an aside, I personally despise forums that allow members to delete their accounts and posts (or edit them to be blank months after the fact).  It makes all the responses lose context.

That said, the tire purchase was ridiculous.  You should have just rented the tires.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: mlipps on July 16, 2013, 07:09:28 PM
Still says Joet for me.  As an aside, I personally despise forums that allow members to delete their accounts and posts (or edit them to be blank months after the fact).  It makes all the responses lose context.

That said, the tire purchase was ridiculous.  You should have just rented the tires.

Yeah, it still says Joet, but you can't click on it and it says "guest" below his name.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: arebelspy on July 16, 2013, 07:13:27 PM
Still says Joet for me.  As an aside, I personally despise forums that allow members to delete their accounts and posts (or edit them to be blank months after the fact).  It makes all the responses lose context.

That said, the tire purchase was ridiculous.  You should have just rented the tires.

That's what the quote feature is for.  I despise forums that do the opposite, only let me edit my posts for a short while.  The content of my post is mine, not belonging to the forum just because it's been a week or a month.

I agree that blanking a post outside of certain circumstances (deciding to remove personal information you no longer feel comfortable sharing, for example) is not cool, but not being able to do so is even worse, IMO.

In this case it looks like he just deleted his accounts without nuking any of the posts.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: happy on July 16, 2013, 07:24:46 PM
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Anyone remember the username of that high income lady troll about a year ago?

Kitty something.  But not either of the 2 Kitty's that come up when I searched on Kitty.

They are both welcome to stay as far as I am concerned... (or go if they want).  Diversity is good, and thought provoking. I think the "NOT biking" thread recently illustrated this well.

That being said, I don't condone their behaviour and agree with Tomsang and ARS:

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The reason I am perplexed is not the tires, but your posts.  It is almost like you get joy out of posting on the antimustachian wall of shame.  Your posts are not posed as a learning experience or anything positive.  In fact you post it here, yet you defend the purchase.  Obviously, you know that it is Antimustachian by posting it in this forum, yet you are saying that they are a great value. 

Your various posts on your purchases and your wife's purchases appear to be a forum to brag about how much money you spend or make.  Which is perplexing as your posts on other topics are insightful and wise.  If you didn't have so many insightful posts, I would think that you are just a Troll. So I a perplexed on why you have been posting your receipts, your trip to Fiji, your tires, all your indiscretions, your wife's indiscretions, etc.  What are you trying to learn or share? 

To me they just come across as a warped way to brag about all the money that you are making and spending vs. anything constructive.  It just seems like you are on the wrong website, unless you like the attention of being the blacksheep.

You said it in a much nicer way than I did:
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You clearly troll for responses, then act the martyr.

I can't remember the last time I said this (middle school?), but you really need to grow up.

At the end of the day: don't feed the trolls and at least I learnt something about tyres.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: arebelspy on July 16, 2013, 07:30:32 PM
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Anyone remember the username of that high income lady troll about a year ago?

Kitty something.  But not either of the 2 Kitty's that come up when I searched on Kitty.

They are both welcome to stay as far as I am concerned... (or go if they want).  Diversity is good, and thought provoking. I think the "NOT biking" thread recently illustrated this well.


Ah yes, that was it, and let me find her posts: KittyWrestler. Sol had a decent summary of the trolling here (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/forum/ask-a-mustachian/mmm-budget-(i-can't-get-anywhere-close)/msg12889/#msg12889). 

I agree with the welcome to stay.  It is just interesting to me how they end up flaming out after a few weeks/months.

The part that ended up annoying me most about Joet wasn't his spending at all.. it was the martyr attitude.

Oh well.  I wish the best of luck to him and his wife.  I hope they find a good balance.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: dragoncar on July 16, 2013, 07:34:01 PM
Still says Joet for me.  As an aside, I personally despise forums that allow members to delete their accounts and posts (or edit them to be blank months after the fact).  It makes all the responses lose context.

That said, the tire purchase was ridiculous.  You should have just rented the tires.

That's what the quote feature is for.  I despise forums that do the opposite, only let me edit my posts for a short while.  The content of my post is mine, not belonging to the forum just because it's been a week or a month.

I agree that blanking a post outside of certain circumstances (deciding to remove personal information you no longer feel comfortable sharing, for example) is not cool, but not being able to do so is even worse, IMO.

In this case it looks like he just deleted his accounts without nuking any of the posts.

Yeah I guess I should quote everything in full every time I reply.  Maybe write a bot to crawl my favorite sites to archive their content just in case it blows up (see what happened to that long term returns blog).  But that's not really practical or polite.  I am ambivalent about the topic, but ultimately it's naive to think that you can ever truly control your words once you put them on the Internet. 

I personally use the modify feature frequently, but usually only to ninja-edit with additional content instead of making a follow-up post.  If you have some bit of personal information you need to change long after the fact, I'd prefer to get a mod involved.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Honest Abe on July 16, 2013, 07:46:53 PM
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Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: SnackDog on July 17, 2013, 04:25:57 AM
I have very rarely ever purchased tires. I haven't purchased new tires for the last several cars I have owned. I certainly won't ever buy them for the current vehicle.  If you are purchasing tires a lot you are driving too much!
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: lisahi on July 17, 2013, 08:23:43 AM
Being forced into a situation where you had to do something unMustachian (out of town needing the replacement ASAP, I'm assuming?) is different than deliberately choosing otherwise.

And it's different than posting about it on purpose to brag about your poor spending. :)

On the up side, I get free alignment and rotation for life at Firestone now. Yeah.

lol.  Nice.  :)

Yep, I was not only out of town, but the only way for me and my car to get home was to drive it back. It was a Saturday, I was leaving on Sunday. The situation was pretty dire. But, to be fair, if I had been paying attention I probably would have noticed that my tires were bald before I left to go to my parents' house 3 hours away.

ETA: I looked up my car on Tire Rack and they had no tires for my make and model. lol.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Villanelle on July 17, 2013, 08:51:48 AM
Are you seriously equating Michelin Latitude Touring HPs vs Dunlop SPs as Jimmy Choos vs flip flops? ok, lol.

The Michelins are superior in all categories, and that 60k mile warranty on the Dunlops are worth about what you pay for it: nada

It's a premium product in all respects (handling, load, safety, wet/dry performance) and those parameters aren't even remotely comparable to a designer shoe. The cost is higher than this forum thinks is reasonable to spend on an entire vehicle--let alone tires or the emissions of said vehicle. I get it.


No, I'm saying that there is a middle ground. At some point, higher price does not mean better, or it not better enough to justify the additional expense.

$4 drug store flip flops and Jimmy Choos are not the only 2 choices.  There might be a nice pair of $85 shoes that will last you longer than the flip flops and be kind to your feet, but that don't cost designer prices.   

But by all means, tell yourself that this, like so many of your other choices, was a sound move. 
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Spork on July 17, 2013, 09:15:57 AM


ETA: I looked up my car on Tire Rack and they had no tires for my make and model. lol.

Just curious: what make/model?  The only time I have ever had issues finding tires on tirerack are for an antique car.  ...and if that's the case, you might want to try http://www.cokertire.com/.  They stock (and remanufacture) all sorts of oddball/antique tires. 
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: lisahi on July 17, 2013, 09:59:27 AM


ETA: I looked up my car on Tire Rack and they had no tires for my make and model. lol.

Just curious: what make/model?  The only time I have ever had issues finding tires on tirerack are for an antique car.  ...and if that's the case, you might want to try http://www.cokertire.com/.  They stock (and remanufacture) all sorts of oddball/antique tires.

2011 Hyundai Sonata. I don't think it's super difficult to find tires for Hyundai Sonatas in general. However, I have some sports version of the car (I really need to go look this up), where the diameter is large and the sidewall height is small. But I put in a search for all of the 2011 Hyundai Sonata models and Tire Rack wasn't giving me any results, and I don't believe all Hyundai Sonatas have those type of low-profile tires. Maybe I did it wrong.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Spork on July 17, 2013, 10:08:34 AM


ETA: I looked up my car on Tire Rack and they had no tires for my make and model. lol.

Just curious: what make/model?  The only time I have ever had issues finding tires on tirerack are for an antique car.  ...and if that's the case, you might want to try http://www.cokertire.com/.  They stock (and remanufacture) all sorts of oddball/antique tires.

2011 Hyundai Sonata. I don't think it's super difficult to find tires for Hyundai Sonatas in general. However, I have some sports version of the car (I really need to go look this up), where the diameter is large and the sidewall height is small. But I put in a search for all of the 2011 Hyundai Sonata models and Tire Rack wasn't giving me any results, and I don't believe all Hyundai Sonatas have those type of low-profile tires. Maybe I did it wrong.

You might try (or maybe you did already) searching for the tire size itself instead of searching by make/model.  If that combo was uncommon, they might not have it properly associated.  I.e, use this link: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/SearchTires.jsp
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: BlueMR2 on July 17, 2013, 10:25:17 AM


ETA: I looked up my car on Tire Rack and they had no tires for my make and model. lol.

Just curious: what make/model?  The only time I have ever had issues finding tires on tirerack are for an antique car.  ...and if that's the case, you might want to try http://www.cokertire.com/.  They stock (and remanufacture) all sorts of oddball/antique tires.

Good to know about cokertire.  245/45R16 tires were hugely popular just a decade ago, but now are almost completely extinct.  Last time I needed a couple, I could only find race tires in that size at first.  After a few months Bridgestone did come out with a new street tire in that size.  Checking recently I noted that the one Bridgestone model is still the only street tire available in that size these days!
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Spork on July 17, 2013, 10:30:26 AM


ETA: I looked up my car on Tire Rack and they had no tires for my make and model. lol.

Just curious: what make/model?  The only time I have ever had issues finding tires on tirerack are for an antique car.  ...and if that's the case, you might want to try http://www.cokertire.com/.  They stock (and remanufacture) all sorts of oddball/antique tires.

Good to know about cokertire.  245/45R16 tires were hugely popular just a decade ago, but now are almost completely extinct.  Last time I needed a couple, I could only find race tires in that size at first.  After a few months Bridgestone did come out with a new street tire in that size.  Checking recently I noted that the one Bridgestone model is still the only street tire available in that size these days!

It's the only place I've been able to find Michelin 185R15's.  Well, there are some other places, but they are buying them from Coker.  Now they're no longer Michelin, but Coker remanufactured Michelins.    If you ask a tire store for that size, they'll tell you there is no such size and that there is a number missing.  No.  There isn't.  That's what tire sizes used to look like. 
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: GoStumpy on July 17, 2013, 10:35:45 AM
There is only tire available for 195/45/15's right now, according to TireRack...
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: prodarwin on July 17, 2013, 11:53:49 AM
Good to know about cokertire.  245/45R16 tires were hugely popular just a decade ago, but now are almost completely extinct.  Last time I needed a couple, I could only find race tires in that size at first.  After a few months Bridgestone did come out with a new street tire in that size.  Checking recently I noted that the one Bridgestone model is still the only street tire available in that size these days!

With the ridiculous abundance of used 245/40s available, an upgrade to 17" wheels would pay for itself rather quickly.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: DoubleDown on July 17, 2013, 01:07:39 PM
What, no more Joet??!! Come back!
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: BlueMR2 on July 17, 2013, 04:00:47 PM
With the ridiculous abundance of used 245/40s available, an upgrade to 17" wheels would pay for itself rather quickly.

If I lived someplace with better roads, perhaps.  The 16's are marginal.  They're scraped and dinged up.  A friend with 17's on the same car was buying at least one new wheel every year due to them getting damaged enough to start leaking.  The multiple freeze/thaw cycles here during the changing of the seasons just destroys the roads.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Jamesqf on July 17, 2013, 05:41:23 PM
I admit I've wondered about 17" (or larger) wheels.  I mean, the tire sidewall size shrinks, so the tread has the same diameter, so what's the point?  Unless they're a really light alloy, the tire/wheel combo is going to weigh more on a larger rim...
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Undecided on July 17, 2013, 05:53:11 PM
I admit I've wondered about 17" (or larger) wheels.  I mean, the tire sidewall size shrinks, so the tread has the same diameter, so what's the point?  Unless they're a really light alloy, the tire/wheel combo is going to weigh more on a larger rim...

Above some size (which may vary by car and suspension setup, and transmission), it's just an aesthetic choice. But within reason, bigger wheels can get bigger brakes, which can be a real performance benefit, and the reduction in sidewall height (and typically one would expect a wider rim, too) can have cornering benefits. There are downsides, though.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: prodarwin on July 17, 2013, 08:13:11 PM
I admit I've wondered about 17" (or larger) wheels.  I mean, the tire sidewall size shrinks, so the tread has the same diameter, so what's the point?  Unless they're a really light alloy, the tire/wheel combo is going to weigh more on a larger rim...

The number one benefit is tire selection.  As noted above, if you have a car with a 25" OD tire and 16" wheel, you are limited to 205/55 and 225/50 pretty much. 

In a 17" you get 225/45 and 245/40 and 255/40 from nearly all the big brand manufacturers - especially if you are looking for performance.

The number two benefit is wheel selection - which is mostly driven by #1.  if you happen to be looking for aftermarket wheels, they are generally going to be made in sizes that have large tire selections.  Again, for performance, you'll find much wider wheels in 17" fitments for most cars than 16" fitments.



Blue - where do you live, and what do you drive?  I find it hard to believe wheels are getting bent with a 25" tire on a 17" wheel.  That's a crazy common size, even OEM.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Forcus on July 18, 2013, 09:32:18 AM
Blue - where do you live, and what do you drive?  I find it hard to believe wheels are getting bent with a 25" tire on a 17" wheel.  That's a crazy common size, even OEM.

I believe Blue lives in IL as do I. I can totally confirm that even a 16" wheel (with 205/50R16) is in danger on IL roads, let alone 17" or larger with thinner sidewalls.

As far as other thoughts:

15" tires in any size are becoming more scarce. It doesn't matter if it's for trucks, cars, etc. For sure, there will always be 15" tires available but the development of new and better tires for 15" wheels will be limited.

16" are the new 15". Still some tires available, but the are following the 15" as far as new development.

17" are what I believe will be the most common "smaller" wheels in the future. I would not feel afraid of 17" availability in the future. However it is clear that 18-20" wheels are here to stay.

20" at this time is about the practical limit to still maintain sidewall (for cars). I do not believe we will see a whole lot of development of bigger wheel sizes... but people said the same thing about "big" 16's in the 90's.

As far as the "best" wheel size, it depends. Generally, less sidewall means better handling. Generally, bigger wheels mean a heavier tire/wheel package, which means more unsprung weight (bad for handling and ride), and more rotation weight (bad for a low-powered vehicle). There have been tests with identical sets of wheels / tires on low-powered lighter vehicles, where the only difference was wheel size (e.g. 17 vs. 18 vs. 19) and the smaller wheels bested the larger ones.

As an example, for my Focus, I settled on 15" rims with snow tires for winter - plenty of sidewall to absorb bumps from the huge potholes that develop during winter. For three seasons I eschewed the typical 17" setup because of the low sidewall height and the poor roads here in IL, as well as the weight (though lightweight 17's are widely available). Instead I went with sticky 225/50R16's which are available as a niche tire for dual use racing and daily driving. They are slightly taller than stock but that is a benefit in my case. Additionally, the 16" wheels are generally lighter than 17's. Because of the construction of the tires, there is little to no tradeoff in handling even with the taller sidewall.

I am getting rid of our Volvo S40, but for that I had planned on 17's. 18's and 19's look awesome on them but the size is impractical due to our roads (the sidewalls would be 35 aspect ratio at best... very skinny). They would be bent in short order. Heck, I've had to fix 2 wheel bends on the stock 17's and I am a careful driver.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: BPA on July 19, 2013, 09:12:46 AM

The part that ended up annoying me most about Joet wasn't his spending at all.. it was the martyr attitude.

Oh well.  I wish the best of luck to him and his wife.  I hope they find a good balance.

I agree.  People have to make their own decisions about life.  I just don't understand crowing about behaviour that is contrary to the spirit of the site and then moaning when people don't agree with them.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: GoStumpy on July 19, 2013, 12:31:43 PM
If they can take the facepunches, then more power to him...

That's like me bragging about spending $8000 on an SUV (on a loan), then spending almost $2000 on accessories for it...

If I did (which I might)  I'm prepared for all the fallout, and I'm not going to get butthurt if somebody calls me an idiot... because in some people's views, what I'm doing is stupid... but in my personal life, which is different from others, it actually makes sense.

Same applies to buddy with his tires... in his personal life, it made sense, so he did it... then comes on here to gauge our reaction, he got butthurt, and left.

LOL

BOOSH!
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: marty998 on July 19, 2013, 07:27:50 PM
Oooh I'm a little late to this little party. Chalk me up as another who got a chuckle out of JoeT's misadventures.

I reckon Mrs JoeT might have found out about what he has been posting here. Poor guy, never slag off the wifey mate. You will never win.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: MountainFlower on July 19, 2013, 09:36:12 PM
I'm late too.  Bummed that Joet might be gone.  I thought he was funny...not like I was laughing at him, but his sense of humor made me chuckle.  Come back!

I have an SUV with 17" tires.  I do live at 9000 ft elevation in the mountains, so an SUV is with clearance is sometimes necessary.  However, those tires are outrageous.  I got a flat tire last week that ruined my tire...had to get a new set at $900.   I can't imagine why anyone would WANT an SUV given all the extra expenses. 
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Eric on July 20, 2013, 12:42:13 AM
I reckon Mrs JoeT might have found out about what he has been posting here. Poor guy, never slag off the wifey mate. You will never win.

That's my guess too.  She found out about everything he was sharing here, most of it badmouthing her, and after a big knockdown drag out, he deleted his account. 
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: arebelspy on July 20, 2013, 08:44:14 AM
I reckon Mrs JoeT might have found out about what he has been posting here. Poor guy, never slag off the wifey mate. You will never win.

That's my guess too.  She found out about everything he was sharing here, most of it badmouthing her, and after a big knockdown drag out, he deleted his account.

Makes sense.

He probably went to use one of these threads as "proof" of something in an argument, I.e. "well look at what all these people said when I posted about it" and showed her a thread and she went "WHAT" and that was that.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Jamesqf on July 20, 2013, 12:46:59 PM
I got a flat tire last week that ruined my tire...had to get a new set at $900.

Could you explain exactly why you think having one flat tire means you have to get a set of four?
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Paul der Krake on July 20, 2013, 01:50:29 PM
I reckon Mrs JoeT might have found out about what he has been posting here. Poor guy, never slag off the wifey mate. You will never win.

That's my guess too.  She found out about everything he was sharing here, most of it badmouthing her, and after a big knockdown drag out, he deleted his account.

Makes sense.

He probably went to use one of these threads as "proof" of something in an argument, I.e. "well look at what all these people said when I posted about it" and showed her a thread and she went "WHAT" and that was that.
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Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: BlueMR2 on July 21, 2013, 11:19:02 AM
I got a flat tire last week that ruined my tire...had to get a new set at $900.

Could you explain exactly why you think having one flat tire means you have to get a set of four?

AWD.  If there's an irreparable leak, you end up getting all 4 new tires if the old ones aren't practically new (typically the owner's manual will specify a tread difference allowed, something around 2/32 is pretty normal).
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: MountainFlower on July 21, 2013, 01:48:07 PM
I got a flat tire last week that ruined my tire...had to get a new set at $900.

Could you explain exactly why you think having one flat tire means you have to get a set of four?

AWD.  If there's an irreparable leak, you end up getting all 4 new tires if the old ones aren't practically new (typically the owner's manual will specify a tread difference allowed, something around 2/32 is pretty normal).

Exactly.  The tire was ruined and the tires had 25K miles on them.  It can screw up something (the differential may be?  I don't know) if one tire has a different tread than the others.  Yet one more strike against AWD/4WD.   As long as we live up here, we'll have AWD, but if we move, I won't miss it.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Jamesqf on July 21, 2013, 02:10:46 PM
Strange.  My 4WD pickup has been running different tires since way before I bought it (maybe 5 years now?).  I don't believe there were two of the same brand on it when I got it.

But keep on with buying full sets: it just means lots more good, cheap used tires available when I get flats :-)
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: prodarwin on July 21, 2013, 05:22:10 PM
I got a flat tire last week that ruined my tire...had to get a new set at $900.

Could you explain exactly why you think having one flat tire means you have to get a set of four?

AWD.  If there's an irreparable leak, you end up getting all 4 new tires if the old ones aren't practically new (typically the owner's manual will specify a tread difference allowed, something around 2/32 is pretty normal).

Exactly.  The tire was ruined and the tires had 25K miles on them.  It can screw up something (the differential may be?  I don't know) if one tire has a different tread than the others.  Yet one more strike against AWD/4WD.   As long as we live up here, we'll have AWD, but if we move, I won't miss it.

Just buy one tire and have it shaved to the correct depth.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: GoStumpy on July 21, 2013, 09:18:07 PM
Or buy a 4wd not some crappy AWD, LOL
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Forcus on July 22, 2013, 12:17:02 PM
Strange.  My 4WD pickup has been running different tires since way before I bought it (maybe 5 years now?).  I don't believe there were two of the same brand on it when I got it.

But keep on with buying full sets: it just means lots more good, cheap used tires available when I get flats :-)

Most older 4x4's have part-time 4x4 and aren't as affected by differing tire sizes if the 4x4 is only used on slippery surfaces. Most newer AWD's are full time and use a center differential and some can be damaged if the tires are different sizes, or if its towed with two wheels up, etc. Even a drastic tire pressure difference can cause problems.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: MountainFlower on July 22, 2013, 12:38:03 PM
Or buy a 4wd not some crappy AWD, LOL

It's the same.  I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee totally screwed up when the tire dealer put different tires on accidentally.   

Road conditions can vary widely on my drive from one mile to the next.  You might have completely dry roads and then hit a shady section that is a sheet of ice.   I like AWD because I don't have to keep taking the car in and out of 4WD. 
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: prodarwin on July 22, 2013, 01:06:50 PM
Strange.  My 4WD pickup has been running different tires since way before I bought it (maybe 5 years now?).  I don't believe there were two of the same brand on it when I got it.

But keep on with buying full sets: it just means lots more good, cheap used tires available when I get flats :-)

Most older 4x4's have part-time 4x4 and aren't as affected by differing tire sizes if the 4x4 is only used on slippery surfaces. Most newer AWD's are full time and use a center differential and some can be damaged if the tires are different sizes, or if its towed with two wheels up, etc. Even a drastic tire pressure difference can cause problems.

Part time 4wd = manually lockable center diff
AWD = limited slip center diff (in most cases).  Different size tires means the diff slips more often than it should/for extended periods of time and wears out too quickly.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: mgreczyn on July 30, 2013, 08:43:38 AM
costco, americas tires, tires direct, tire rack, and random googl-ing used. I'm sure it's possible someone will find a lower load rating/speed rating/leftover of the same tire for less but I did my best

Yes, SUV/light truck tires cost more than those for your lawn mower. Last month I replaced the REARS of my 335i for ~$900, and that was a good deal. Those last me about 20k miles
Back before I saw the light, I used to want a 335i, especially after my buddy let me see how fast his twin turbo would get to 60.  Then he told me the tires cost over a grand, and my desire to own one instantly evaporated.  They sure are purdy though, so I really appreciate that all you folks with too much money buy them so I have something nice to look at as I tool around in my 12 year old college mobile.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Forcus on July 30, 2013, 09:01:21 AM
Part time 4wd = manually lockable center diff
AWD = limited slip center diff (in most cases).  Different size tires means the diff slips more often than it should/for extended periods of time and wears out too quickly.

I don't want to get too nitpicky but not all (in fact, most) part-time 4wd do not have a lockable center diff (manually or automatically). Most AWD have some sort of adjustable center diff (whether it's full or partially locking (i.e. limited sli), manual, or automatic). Bottom line, if someone has AWD they just need to know what they have in case they run across a situation where they need to decide whether to run different size tires front and rear OR, in a more likely situation, they need to have the car / truck towed and need to decide whether a flatbed is required. Additionally, the thought above can apply even with 2wd, if you have a limited slip or locking diff, running different size tires (or one worn more than the other) on each side can screw it up, especially if it is a plate-type differential and not a viscous (sp) type.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Jamesqf on July 30, 2013, 11:34:28 AM
Part time 4wd = manually lockable center diff
AWD = limited slip center diff (in most cases).  Different size tires means the diff slips more often than it should/for extended periods of time and wears out too quickly.

Maybe I'm missing something here.  All cars have differentials on the drive axles.  Why doesn't running two tires with different wear levels on the same axle harm the differential of a 2WD car?  FTM, if you go around a sharp curve, you're going to have far more difference in rotation rates than would be caused by such a slight difference in tire size.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: prodarwin on August 05, 2013, 06:36:53 AM
Part time 4wd = manually lockable center diff
AWD = limited slip center diff (in most cases).  Different size tires means the diff slips more often than it should/for extended periods of time and wears out too quickly.

Maybe I'm missing something here.  All cars have differentials on the drive axles.  Why doesn't running two tires with different wear levels on the same axle harm the differential of a 2WD car?  FTM, if you go around a sharp curve, you're going to have far more difference in rotation rates than would be caused by such a slight difference in tire size.

It will, if that car has a friction based limited slip.  But a very low percentage of cars have these... most 2WD cars have an open diff.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: prodarwin on August 05, 2013, 06:42:58 AM
I don't want to get too nitpicky but not all (in fact, most) part-time 4wd do not have a lockable center diff (manually or automatically).

Really?  Which ones?  When I think part-time I mostly think of trucks.  I've never had a truck, but everyone one my father has owned had a transfer case you engaged to put it in 4WD mode, and it would lock the center diff.

His last pathfinder did have AWD and 4WD...  AWD would leave the center in a limited slip/active mode, 4WD would simply lock it.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: BlueMR2 on August 05, 2013, 03:26:22 PM
Part time 4wd = manually lockable center diff
AWD = limited slip center diff (in most cases).  Different size tires means the diff slips more often than it should/for extended periods of time and wears out too quickly.

Maybe I'm missing something here.  All cars have differentials on the drive axles.  Why doesn't running two tires with different wear levels on the same axle harm the differential of a 2WD car?  FTM, if you go around a sharp curve, you're going to have far more difference in rotation rates than would be caused by such a slight difference in tire size.

It will, if that car has a friction based limited slip.  But a very low percentage of cars have these... most 2WD cars have an open diff.

The helical and viscous LSD manufacturers also tell you not to have different tires.  Viscous LSDs will overheat.  Not sure what the failure mode is on helicals, but probably heat as well.  My AWD car has 2 helicals and 1 viscous.  I won't buy anything with a clutch LSD, it's too hard to determine if it's worn (until you get stuck) and they're a pain to replace.  My RWD is open.  Occasionally I've been tempted to put a LSD in, but having to get it towed if I get a flat tire would be real annoying (front tires are different size from the rear, so I can't put the spare on the front and move a front to the rear like some RWD cars can).

There's a big difference between turning a corner occasionally and having different tires (which is like turning a corner even when the car is pointed straight).
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Jamesqf on August 05, 2013, 05:43:53 PM
I've never had a truck, but everyone one my father has owned had a transfer case you engaged to put it in 4WD mode, and it would lock the center diff.

I've only owned Toyotas, but I don't believe they even have a "center differential".  The transfer case is gears, which allow 4WD to be engaged or disengaged, and be put into high or low range when in 4WD.
Title: Re: Just bought tires for my Wife's SUV: Posting here for the facepunches
Post by: Forcus on August 12, 2013, 11:57:53 AM
I don't want to get too nitpicky but not all (in fact, most) part-time 4wd do not have a lockable center diff (manually or automatically).

Really?  Which ones?  When I think part-time I mostly think of trucks.  I've never had a truck, but everyone one my father has owned had a transfer case you engaged to put it in 4WD mode, and it would lock the center diff.

His last pathfinder did have AWD and 4WD...  AWD would leave the center in a limited slip/active mode, 4WD would simply lock it.

Sorry, I had a momentarily lapse and you are correct.