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dcheesi

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Jim Cramer on why retiring early is a mistake
« on: August 23, 2022, 09:48:29 AM »
This popped up in my Facebook feed today. It's a month old, so apologies if it has already been discussed(?), but I didn't see a topic for it:

"Jim Cramer on why retiring early is a mistake"

EDIT: corrected spelling
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Re: Jim Kramer on why retiring early is a mistake
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2022, 10:31:30 AM »
hah! I thought this was someone else, but it WSB's fav whipping boy Jim Cramer, Mr Full'O'Shit.
A broken clock is right twice a day principle applies here.
If more folks retire early, they'll be withdrawing money from the system, so Jimmy thinks.
And FIREees won't pay attention to the hype cycle, they won't become pump n dump chumps holding lumps of coal.
Which is why he belittles our types.
He is always welcome to eat a bag of camel nuts or rocky mountain oysters.
Bless his heart!

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Re: Jim Cramer on why retiring early is a mistake
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2022, 11:21:26 AM »
Yeah, I know there are plenty of articles like this from various financial gurus. But I thought this one was interesting in that it called out the FIRE movement by name.

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Re: Jim Cramer on why retiring early is a mistake
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2022, 01:24:09 PM »
I skimmed the article.  Basically, it comes down to "you didn't project your expenses well enough" or "you end up wanting to spend more than you originally planned," plus an implication that once you retire, you never go back to any earned income.

In short, it's a bunch of baloney, reliant on somebody making a sequence of bad choices.

I *do* wonder what the impact will be from Baby Boomers transitioning from investing to withdrawing.  Maybe enough of them haven't invested that we won't see much of an impact.  Or maybe their withdrawal from the market, while they still consume stuff, will drive P/E ratios down.

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Re: Jim Cramer on why retiring early is a mistake
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2022, 08:18:32 PM »
I skimmed the article.  Basically, it comes down to "you didn't project your expenses well enough" or "you end up wanting to spend more than you originally planned," plus an implication that once you retire, you never go back to any earned income.

In short, it's a bunch of baloney, reliant on somebody making a sequence of bad choices.

I *do* wonder what the impact will be from Baby Boomers transitioning from investing to withdrawing.  Maybe enough of them haven't invested that we won't see much of an impact.  Or maybe their withdrawal from the market, while they still consume stuff, will drive P/E ratios down.

The sensible Boomers will be living off the income from their investments, and down the road their kids will inherit it.    ;-)  Or maybe that is just those of us on here.  Actually, being on here pre-retirement is good for post-retirement, since it is good training for not living beyond one's means.  Plus it is amazing how much actual available income there is in retirement, once part of your income is no longer going to all the work expenses and the savings for retirement.  My disposable income now is higher than when I was working.

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Re: Jim Cramer on why retiring early is a mistake
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2022, 05:20:59 AM »
I'm pretty sure I just lost a few brain cells listening to that video 🤣

He's the type of person with a vested interest in keeping us all on the treadmill.

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Re: Jim Cramer on why retiring early is a mistake
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2022, 07:02:22 AM »
He's the type of person with a vested interest in keeping us all on the treadmill.

Maybe it's more like we're hearing the perspective of someone who could have retired as an extremely rich multimillionaire a decade ago, and yet still does his TV show. He's one of those people who is worth (guessing) $150M and is still going to work 70 hour weeks all his life to try and "achieve" $1B or more. Of course if you take advice from a person like that, there will never be an "enough" level where you can retire. If he doesn't yet have enough, then he certainly doesn't think you do.

Also, this is not the type of person who raises their own kids, makes much time for friends / family, volunteers for charity, has a hobby, etc. This is a simple workaholic. Never take advice from anyone you don't want to be like, because their advice is always how to become themselves.


I *do* wonder what the impact will be from Baby Boomers transitioning from investing to withdrawing.  Maybe enough of them haven't invested that we won't see much of an impact.  Or maybe their withdrawal from the market, while they still consume stuff, will drive P/E ratios down.

The sensible Boomers will be living off the income from their investments, and down the road their kids will inherit it.    ;-)  Or maybe that is just those of us on here.  Actually, being on here pre-retirement is good for post-retirement, since it is good training for not living beyond one's means.  Plus it is amazing how much actual available income there is in retirement, once part of your income is no longer going to all the work expenses and the savings for retirement.  My disposable income now is higher than when I was working.

I'm not sure the effect will be so big. Looking at a population pyramid...

https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2019/

...one can see the Baby Boomer generation is in the top section of the chart and already significantly reducing in number. The rest of the chart looks remarkably orderly, with nearly equal numbers of people in each generation. Behavioral change across generations is a much more likely as an influence than numbers of people. Retirees will roughly equal workforce entrants for decades to come.

Speaking of... we haven't been seeing so many articles lately about how Millennials are eschewing car ownership, home ownership, status symbols, stocks, etc. That's because Millennials are now falling in line with the Boomer definition of what is worth working for, just like GenX did. I see them on golf courses.

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Re: Jim Cramer on why retiring early is a mistake
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2022, 07:30:55 AM »

I'm not sure the effect will be so big. Looking at a population pyramid...

https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2019/

...one can see the Baby Boomer generation is in the top section of the chart and already significantly reducing in number. The rest of the chart looks remarkably orderly, with nearly equal numbers of people in each generation. Behavioral change across generations is a much more likely as an influence than numbers of people. Retirees will roughly equal workforce entrants for decades to come.


Wow the bulge is gone.  We are dying off quite orderly and nicely, aren't we?

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Re: Jim Cramer on why retiring early is a mistake
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2022, 07:46:49 AM »
Worthless article.