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Title: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: Ricky on April 05, 2015, 09:41:50 AM
Lyrics from a recent mainstream hip hop song:

"I knew my rent was gon' be late about a week ago
I worked my ass off, but I still can't pay it though
But I just got just enough
To get up in this club
Have me a good time, before my time is up
Hey, let's get it now

Ooh I want the time of my life
Oh baby
Ooh give me the time of my life
Let's get it now

This is the last $20 I got
But I'mma have a good time ballin' or out
Tell the bartender line up some shots
Cause I'mma get loose tonight"

The sad thing is, so many people think like this. This example might be more "mainstream" than strictly hip hop itself but since Pitbull is largely a hip hop artist, I thought it fit too.

The ridiculous part is where do these multi-millionaires even come up with these lyrics? They are trying to appeal to th average Joe so much that they have to churn garbage like this out.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: dividendman on April 05, 2015, 12:51:24 PM
The song is pretty catchy though!

I don't know what club this guy is going to, but $20 is going to "line up" 3 shots, max.

I don't think most people think of the song as sound financial advice. It's like all those songs about living just for today so you have fun and party it up.

It's also not just hip hop. Rock songs, random dance songs, they all say it. For instance:

Black Eyed Peas "I Gotta Feeling" talks about "I got my money, let's spend it up"
Kesha "Die Young" talks about making the most of this night like you're going to die young... if you're dying young no saving required
Nickelback's "Rockstar" song is all about having a lavish lifestyle
Barenaked ladies "If I had a million dollars" certainly doesn't suggest investing it
Abba's "Money money money" is almost the exact same as the lyrics you describe below, saying "I work all night, I work all day, to pay the bills I have to pay, Ain't it sad, And still there never seems to be a single penny left for me" then talks about getting a rich guy so you can spend a lot and have fun, or winning a lot in vegas to change your life... not very mustachian
N sync "I just got paid" talks about being paid on friday and blowing it at the club

I'm sure there are many others.


Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: EricL on April 05, 2015, 01:46:31 PM
Yep, definitely not a Black only thing. Plus the rationale makes a lot more sense when you're in debtor shoes. If you're thousands of dollars in the hole, why worry about $20?  It's especially pernicious among wild young people who are pretty sure they're going to die young. Fate often plays cruel tricks on them.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: retireatbirth on April 05, 2015, 09:27:21 PM
Here are some One Republic lyrics for you:

Lately I've been, I've been losing sleep
Dreaming about the things that we could be
But, baby I've been, I've been praying hard
Said no more counting dollars, we'll be counting stars
Lately I've been, I've been losing sleep
Dreaming about the things that we could be
But, baby I've been, I've been praying hard
Said no more counting dollars, we'll be—we'll be counting stars

Oh, take that money watch it burn,
Sing in the river the lessons I learned
Take that money watch it burn,
Sing in the river the lessons I learned
Take that money watch it burn,
Sing in the river the lessons I learned
Take that money watch it burn,
Sing in the river the lessons I learned

Everything that kills me makes me feel alive
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: dcheesi on April 05, 2015, 10:53:02 PM
I seem to recall someone here posting a similar lyric from a Katy Perry(?) Song a while back.

Also Jet lyrics from "Cold hard b*tch":

Spent all my rent
Girl you know I enjoyed it
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: Otsog on April 06, 2015, 12:28:50 AM
Pink Floyd starts out great, even talks about growing a stash

Quote
Money, get away
Get a good job with more pay and you're O.K.
Money, it's a gas
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash

But then it's all downhill

Quote
New car, caviar, four star daydream,
Think I'll buy me a football team

Money, get back
I'm all right, Jack, keep your hands off of my stack.
Money, it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody good bullshit
I'm in the hi-fidelity first class traveling set
And I think I need a Lear jet
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: lemanfan on April 06, 2015, 12:51:08 AM
The song White Trash Millionaire by Black Stone Cherry is the only song in my music collection that ever mentions a 401(k).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ8itDYP6HU

Not that anti-mustachian though...
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: MrsPete on April 06, 2015, 06:33:30 AM
Or is it the other way around? 
People who aren't going anywhere in their lives choose to listen to this music, which reinforces their poor choices? 
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: RetiredAt63 on April 06, 2015, 06:43:00 AM
Nothing new - Gordon Lightfoot put this out a long time ago.

In the early morning rain with a dollar in my hand
With an aching in my heart and my pockets full of sand
Now, I'm a long way from home and I miss my loved ones so
In the early morning rain with no place to go

Out on runway number nine a big 707's set to go
But, I'm stuck here in the grass where the cold wind blows
Now, the liquor tasted good and the women all were fast
Well, there she goes, my friend, well she's going down at last

Hear the mighty engines roar - see the silver bird on high
She's away and westward bound - far above the clouds she'll fly

There the morning rain don't fall and the sun always shines
She'll be flying over my home in about three hours time

This old airport's got me down - it's no earthly good to me
'cause I'm stuck here on the ground as cold and drunk as I can be
You can't jump a jet plane like you can a freight train
So, I'd best be on my way in the early morning rain

You can't jump a jet plane like you can a freight train
So, I'd best be on my way in the early morning rain
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: LalsConstant on April 06, 2015, 06:44:44 AM
I always liked "How do you afford your rock and roll lifestyle?" by Cake.  Scathing mockery played completely straight.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: zephyr911 on April 06, 2015, 07:31:45 AM
I always liked "How do you afford your rock and roll lifestyle?" by Cake.  Scathing mockery played completely straight.
How much did you pay for the chunk of his guitar, the one he ruthlessly smashed at the end of the show?
And how much will he pay for a brand new guitar, one which he'll ruthlessly smash at the end of another show....
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: SunshineAZ on April 06, 2015, 02:13:41 PM
I always liked "How do you afford your rock and roll lifestyle?" by Cake.  Scathing mockery played completely straight.
Is it you or your parents in this income tax bracket?  :)  I love that song and I just realized how mustachian it is.   

Excess ain't rebellion, you're drinking what they're selling...
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: rocksinmyhead on April 06, 2015, 02:34:45 PM
OMG I FUCKING HATE THAT PITBULL SONG. Glad someone brought it up here, LOL. Seriously I cringe and throw up in my mouth a little bit every time I hear it, and then change the station as quickly as possible.

I agree with whoever said it's not really a hip hop thing... just a mainstream culture thing unfortunately.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: fitzgeralday on April 06, 2015, 02:38:13 PM
As a self-proclaimed hip-hop head (not rap...there is a difference) & someone who appreciates many different genres of music in general, I thought I would leave this gem here as it relates to the discussion at hand :)

Vulgarity aside - I can appreciate the nod to women with high credit scores!

Chorus to *5 Star Chick* - Yo Gotti ft. Gucci Mane (brrr!), Nicki Minaj & Trina

That's a five-star chick
Now that's a five-star chick, if your credit score high
Feet and nails stay fly, keep your juice-box wet
And your head somethin' fine
You a five-star chick
I want a five-star chick
I need a five-star chick
I need a five-star chick
I want a five-star chick
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: fitzgeralday on April 06, 2015, 02:43:23 PM
Thought of more to add - but realized that Forbes had already done plenty of heavy lifting for me: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/emjl45hfjl/10-personal-finance-tips-from-hip-hop-lyrics-2/

Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: boyerbt on April 06, 2015, 02:58:35 PM
The new Pitbull song drives me up the proverbial wall every time that it turns on but I also immediately think about Katy Perry and this little gem...



This one goes out to the ladies at breakfast in last night's dress
(It's how we do, straight stuntin' like that)
Uh-huh, I see you
Yo, this goes out to all you kids that still have their cars at the club valet and it's Tuesday
(This is how we do yeah straight stuntin' like that)
Yo, shout out to all you kids, buying bottle service, with your rent money
Respect

Seriously....easy for her to say.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: intirb on April 06, 2015, 03:13:48 PM
Clearly you haven't listened to the new album from Kendrick Lamar (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/31/kendrick-lamar-house_n_5420361.html).  To Pimp a Butterfly is awesomely anti-consumerist.  For example, from Wesley's Theory:

Quote
What you want you? A house or a car?
Forty acres and a mule, a piano, a guitar?
Anything, see, my name is Uncle Sam, I'm your dog
Motherfucker you can live at the mall
I know your kind (That's why I'm kind)
Don't have receipts (Oh man, that's fine)
Pay me later, wear those gators
Cliché and say, fuck your haters
I can see the borrow in you
I can see the dollar in you
Little white lies, but it's no white-collar in you
But it's whatever though because I'm still followin' you
Because you make me live forever baby, count it all together baby
Then hit the register and make me feel better baby
Your horoscope is a gemini, two sides
So you better cop everything two times
Two coupes, two chains, two c-notes
Too much ain't enough both we know
Christmas, tell 'em what's on your wish list
Get it all, you deserve it Kendrick
And when you hit the White House, do you
But remember, you ain't pass economics in school
And everything you buy, taxes will deny
I'll Wesley Snipe your ass before thirty-five

Or how about Kanye's New Slaves?

Quote
You see it's broke nigga racism
That's that "Don't touch anything in the store"
And it's rich nigga racism
That's that "Come in, please buy more"
"What you want, a Bentley? Fur coat? A diamond chain?
All you blacks want all the same things"
Used to only be niggas, now everybody playin'
Spendin' everything on Alexander Wang
New Slaves

Sure, there's a lot of live-for-today messaging in a lot of popular music, but it's not specific to any one "culture" or genre.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: Otsog on April 07, 2015, 12:48:57 AM
Clearly you haven't listened to the new album from Kendrick Lamar (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/31/kendrick-lamar-house_n_5420361.html).  To Pimp a Butterfly is awesomely anti-consumerist.  For example, from Wesley's Theory:

His untitled track from Colbert had some great stuff too:

Quote
A piece of land
That's what the Indian said, I needed demand
Telling me longevity is in the dirt, buy some property first
Profit a better dollar with generational perks
Equity at his best, really, you should invest
These tangible things expire, don't you expect
Income with so much outcome and yes
Look at my heritage, we blessed

Sucks it won't be released
http://www.stereogum.com/1790227/that-kendrick-lamar-song-from-colbert-hasnt-been-recorded-wont-be-released/news/
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: crazylemon on April 07, 2015, 09:57:08 AM
Just reminded me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7mT4JR3Qr4

Much more fun hating things that make fun of this. But it is more most music in general than hip hop. People don't particularly want to listen to a song about how everyone stayed at home reading and managing their portfolio. Or maybe this is just an untapped market...
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: Middlesbrough on April 07, 2015, 10:20:48 AM
I guess I love a lot of unmustachian songs. Actually, they are about the only songs I listen to.

Shout out to "Bills" by LunchMoney Lewis
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: dragoncar on April 07, 2015, 10:21:19 AM
I knew that song would strike a chord with this audience (we've had multiple threads now). 

But I'll say the Barenaked Ladies song (and I'm sure some others) are tongue-in-cheek.  "If I had a million dollars, I'd buy your love" is certainly self-aware

People don't particularly want to listen to a song about how everyone stayed at home reading and managing their portfolio. Or maybe this is just an untapped market...

If they can do it for grandma using Photoshop, they can do it for Vanguard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X71WXhOyWj8
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: eyePod on April 07, 2015, 11:09:47 AM
Or is it the other way around? 
People who aren't going anywhere in their lives choose to listen to this music, which reinforces their poor choices?

Well that's a bunch of crap. I enjoy all kinds of music (including this kind) and stereotyping about it won't get anyone anywhere.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: Capsu78 on April 07, 2015, 01:49:29 PM
A little 1974 Old School from the Tubes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgjfi1DU1mQ
WARNING to those under 50- You may have to fire up the Google machine to figure out what some of these references are!


...Well, you can't have that, but if you're an American citizen you are entitled to:
a heated kidney shaped pool,
a microwave oven--don't watch the food cook,
a Dyna-Gym--I'll personally demonstrate it in the privacy of your own home,
a king-size Titanic unsinkable Molly Brown waterbed with polybendum,
a foolproof plan and an airtight alibi,
real simulated Indian jewelry,
a Gucci shoetree,
a year's supply of antibiotics,
a personally autographed picture of Randy Mantooth
and Bob Dylan's new unlisted phone number,
a beautifully restored 3rd Reich swizzle stick,
Rosemary's baby,
a dream date in kneepads with Paul Williams,
a new Matador, a new mastodon,
a Maverick, a Mustang, a Montego,
a Merc Montclair, a Mark IV, a meteor,
a Mercedes, an MG, or a Malibu,
a Mort Moriarty, a Maserati, a Mac truck,
a Mazda, a new Monza, or a moped,
a Winnebago--Hell, a herd of Winnebago's we're giving 'em away,
or how about a McCulloch chainsaw,
a Las Vegas wedding,
a Mexican divorce,
a solid gold Kama Sutra coffee pot,
or a baby's arm holding an apple?
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: grunt11 on April 07, 2015, 02:27:58 PM
I agree OP, hip hop culture is likely the most vulgar and ostentatious expression of our overall culture (if you can call it that), driven purely by material consumption. I'm pretty young, but at times feel like I've been transported to this age from some bygone era, when simplicity and modesty reigned.

MFW http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/648/220/67b.jpg
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: Russ on April 07, 2015, 03:31:33 PM
ITT the upper class doesn't understand hip-hop
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: Eric on April 07, 2015, 03:35:24 PM
The ridiculous part is where do these multi-millionaires even come up with these lyrics?

It's not ridiculous.  It's not like they're writing them themselves.  They pay people to do that.  Only poor rappers write their own lyrics.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: Russ on April 07, 2015, 03:46:29 PM
fun tune about $$$
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQrdKtPJxI0

in context, they're about to throw a fundraiser concert to save the bowling alley :-P
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: dragoncar on April 07, 2015, 03:53:34 PM
ITT the upper class doesn't understand hip-hop

You see, the kids these days, they listen to the rap music, which gives them the brain damage. With the hippin' and the hoppin' and the bippin' and the boppin', they don't know what the jazz is all about. - Bill Cosby
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: zoltani on April 07, 2015, 03:55:37 PM
Luckily there's plenty of punk rock to cancel out that shit.


Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: intirb on April 07, 2015, 04:21:49 PM
Clearly you haven't listened to the new album from Kendrick Lamar (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/31/kendrick-lamar-house_n_5420361.html).  To Pimp a Butterfly is awesomely anti-consumerist.  For example, from Wesley's Theory:

His untitled track from Colbert had some great stuff too:

Quote
A piece of land
That's what the Indian said, I needed demand
Telling me longevity is in the dirt, buy some property first
Profit a better dollar with generational perks
Equity at his best, really, you should invest
These tangible things expire, don't you expect
Income with so much outcome and yes
Look at my heritage, we blessed

Sucks it won't be released
http://www.stereogum.com/1790227/that-kendrick-lamar-song-from-colbert-hasnt-been-recorded-wont-be-released/news/

I love that one too! I was pretty bummed when I found out that song wasn't going to be on the new album.  That performance gave me confidence that the new album wasn't going to be some pop-junk sell-out album (since until that point, only "i" had been released). 
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: frugalnacho on April 08, 2015, 01:56:45 PM
ITT the upper class doesn't understand hip-hop

You see, the kids these days, they listen to the rap music, which gives them the brain damage. With the hippin' and the hoppin' and the bippin' and the boppin', they don't know what the jazz is all about. - Bill Cosby

You sure post a lot of simpsons quotes.

This mentality is not just in hip hop.  It's in rock.  It's in country. 
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: dragoncar on April 08, 2015, 03:39:12 PM
ITT the upper class doesn't understand hip-hop

You see, the kids these days, they listen to the rap music, which gives them the brain damage. With the hippin' and the hoppin' and the bippin' and the boppin', they don't know what the jazz is all about. - Bill Cosby

You sure post a lot of simpsons quotes.

This mentality is not just in hip hop.  It's in rock.  It's in country.

Early Simpsons was formative
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: Melody on April 09, 2015, 05:00:09 PM
Luckily there's plenty of punk rock to cancel out that shit.

Yes, altho a lot of punk isn't about stashin' for the future... it's about hitting the road with you thumb out knowing at the other end you can always dumpster some bagels, and the scene will give you a floor to sleep on :-)

In some ways it's Mustachian (anti-consumption, community first), but in other ways, that lifestyle doesn't work out so well when you're 40, ready to settle down with your partner and still have $0 net worth and no particular workplace skills (combined with homemade tattoos and tracks on your arms) as some of my friends are now discovering. That being said the overall message I get from punk is positive... that I don't need s**t to be happy, just punk rock, friends and beer :-)
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: Jenni on April 13, 2015, 08:15:06 PM
Country music is really annoying me right now with its reliance on truck songs in which the guy has nothing better to do than drive around aimlessly for hours. And the trucks are presumably always in the farmer-diplomat style. along with that, you have all the songs about people hanging out in pastures who appear to be about 40 years old. Most of the songs seem to be aimed at people who peaked in high school. There are tons of references to alcohol in the truck songs, too.

When my 17 yr. Old teenager heard that Pit bull song she said sarcastiy, "Wow, that's fiscally responsible." So something is working!
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: clarkfan1979 on April 13, 2015, 09:41:01 PM
Luckily there's plenty of punk rock to cancel out that shit.

Great post. I have thought about hip hop ruining people financially, but I never had the balls to post it. I come from the punk rock side and I view it as 100% opposite. Punk rock was bragging about having a good time without any money. I guess that you could make the same argument for other types of music including country.

My first big influence was Nirvana, so I learned to have fun at thrift shops. I think Kurt Cobain was a mustashian. He thought a 9-5 job would ruin his creativity, so he fought like hell to never have a job even if it meant sleeping in a car. One of the guys from biggerpockets.com owns the house that he was born in.

Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: thurston howell iv on April 14, 2015, 07:42:58 AM
 Funny the op mentions the opening song. I'm not a huge fan of current pop but if it's on I'll listen. Mostly don't pay attention to the lyrics but when I heard that the guy knew he couldn't pay his rent two weeks ago and is going to the club I was aghast!  I mentioned it to my wife. It's freakin' insane. Every time I hear stupid shit like that I imagine if the kids that are listening are taking the "message" to heart. 

Sometimes when I think about the current state of affairs, I feel like that Indian in the old 70's commercial standing looking at the wasteland that it all has become with a tear streaming down his face. It's that sad.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: zhelud on April 14, 2015, 08:24:33 AM
Can anyone think of any popular song, in any genre, at any time in history, that celebrated mustachian choices? 

I mean seriously, folks, who wants to listen to a song about a guy who is behind on his rent, so he decides that instead of going to the club,  he will pick up some extra shifts at his job and sell some stuff on Craigslist, and starts thinking about whether he should move to a smaller place or get a roommate so he doesn't end up in this situation again?
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: thurston howell iv on April 14, 2015, 08:32:11 AM
I agree. I'm not saying I don't like to rock n' roll all night and party every day. :D


My observation was that it seems so blatantly instructional. (ie: I know I don't have the money; I know I can't afford it; I know it's stupid but, I'm still going to blow everything I have in order to try and have/buy a good time because I deserve it. If you do this too, you'll be one of the cool kids- just like us.)
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: frugalnacho on April 14, 2015, 08:32:17 AM
Can anyone think of any popular song, in any genre, at any time in history, that celebrated mustachian choices? 

what what what what

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8mJJJvaes
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: thurston howell iv on April 14, 2015, 08:34:12 AM
ha! One of my favorites.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: SuperSecretName on April 14, 2015, 08:40:13 AM
OP:  Let me guess, you are white?

first - pitbull is not hip-hop, it is commercial rap. 

Being bad with money is not unique to non-white people.  I'm sure we could find some country songs that are just as bad.

real hip hop is very socially aware.  For instance, take "Show Business" by A Tribe Called Quest.  I'm not gonna paste the lyrics, but here they are:
http://genius.com/A-tribe-called-quest-show-business-lyrics

Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: thurston howell iv on April 14, 2015, 08:59:53 AM
me? non-white. Real rap is NWA. (I'm just old)
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: SuperSecretName on April 14, 2015, 09:01:56 AM
woops, no, not you, OP.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: dragoncar on April 14, 2015, 09:19:15 AM
woops, no, not you, OP.

He must have though you said OPP
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on April 14, 2015, 03:21:04 PM
Can anyone think of any popular song, in any genre, at any time in history, that celebrated mustachian choices? 


Not a lot that was written recently, but I remember a few.  A surprising number were written or performed by women.  Men sing about money far more often than women do, but they generally sing about making it easily (or illegally), spending it irresponsibly, having (or wanting) a lot of it, or perhaps warning about how it corrupts people.  Very few songs actually deal with managing your life so that you live comfortably on what you've got.

* Billy Joel's "Movin' Out (Anthony's Song)" was a rejection of the high consumption lifestyle, with its associated lifelong commitment to hard work.
* Madonna's "Material Girl" definitely advocated saving and investing.
* Donna Summer's "She Works Hard For The Money" doesn't feature investment but it definitely talks about respecting what you've got.
* Abba's "Money, Money, Money" song was actually written by men, but dealt with bad cash flow management.
* Billie Holliday's "God Bless The Child" discusses the necessity of having one's own 'stache.
* Merle Travis's "16 Tons" warned about the dangers of debt.
* Offspring's "Why Don't You Get A Job" is probably the most recent of the lot, but I'm kind of reluctant to include it as it's more an anti-codependency song than something about saving and investing.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: dragoncar on April 14, 2015, 04:00:26 PM
Can anyone think of any popular song, in any genre, at any time in history, that celebrated mustachian choices? 


Not a lot that was written recently, but I remember a few.  A surprising number were written or performed by women.  Men sing about money far more often than women do, but they generally sing about making it easily (or illegally), spending it irresponsibly, having (or wanting) a lot of it, or perhaps warning about how it corrupts people.  Very few songs actually deal with managing your life so that you live comfortably on what you've got.

* Billy Joel's "Movin' Out (Anthony's Song)" was a rejection of the high consumption lifestyle, with its associated lifelong commitment to hard work.
* Madonna's "Material Girl" definitely advocated saving and investing.
* Donna Summer's "She Works Hard For The Money" doesn't feature investment but it definitely talks about respecting what you've got.
* Abba's "Money, Money, Money" song was actually written by men, but dealt with bad cash flow management.
* Billie Holliday's "God Bless The Child" discusses the necessity of having one's own 'stache.
* Merle Travis's "16 Tons" warned about the dangers of debt.
* Offspring's "Why Don't You Get A Job" is probably the most recent of the lot, but I'm kind of reluctant to include it as it's more an anti-codependency song than something about saving and investing.

http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/mustachian-music-9639/
http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/what-is-your-mmm-soundtrack/
http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/mustachianism-around-the-web/lorde-mustachian-musician/
http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/songs-that-make-you-think-about-fire/
http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/a-mustachian-anthem/
http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/mustachianism-around-the-web/mustachian-anthem/
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: kiwibeach on April 14, 2015, 06:16:56 PM
Lorde - royals

No postcode envy...
We count our dollars on the bus on the way to the party .....
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: RootofGood on April 14, 2015, 08:23:06 PM
I don't know, I listened to this stuff during my impressionable years and turned out okay. 

Thug lyfe 4 eva. 

No, seriously, I'm not sure if the songs make people money dumb or the money dumb love hearing these songs to make them feel justified in their own pity-wallowing and self-loathing.  And it's not just black people/hip hop culture that inculcates the "spend it all because YOLO" attitude. 


Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: UnleashHell on April 15, 2015, 05:44:52 AM
Can anyone think of any popular song, in any genre, at any time in history, that celebrated mustachian choices? 

I mean seriously, folks, who wants to listen to a song about a guy who is behind on his rent, so he decides that instead of going to the club,  he will pick up some extra shifts at his job and sell some stuff on Craigslist, and starts thinking about whether he should move to a smaller place or get a roommate so he doesn't end up in this situation again?

King of the Road
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: Kris on April 15, 2015, 06:33:47 AM
Not mustachian, but Lily Allen has some good anti-anti-mustachian ones...  Check out "The Fear" and "Everything's Just Wonderful".

http://youtu.be/P191zutE1D0

http://youtu.be/n_ZW_pUQx2s
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: GuitarStv on April 15, 2015, 08:42:35 AM
* Merle Travis's "16 Tons" warned about the dangers of debt.

Coal miners were only paid scrip that couldn't be taken anywhere else, and the company marked up the price of things in the only store that the scrip could be used to whatever they wanted.  The song's not really about the dangers of debt . . . it's about the way corporations treat people absent regulation.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: RootofGood on April 15, 2015, 11:49:41 AM
Not mustachian, but Lily Allen has some good anti-anti-mustachian ones...  Check out "The Fear" and "Everything's Just Wonderful".


Oh man, I used to blare Lily Allen at work on my speakers.  Pretty much summed up my attitude toward some work related things. 

"Fuck you / Fuck you very, very much"  :)
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: I'm a red panda on April 16, 2015, 06:12:15 AM
No idea what song it was, but some country summer song that I heard on the radio today talked about sitting in thrift shop chairs and going to get margaritas when they were 2 for 1 special.

The only frivolous spending was putting money in a tip jar for a band to play.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: GuitarStv on April 16, 2015, 06:26:24 AM
Buying margaritas is pretty damned frivolous.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: I'm a red panda on April 16, 2015, 06:27:29 AM
Buying margaritas is pretty damned frivolous.

Well, if you are going to do it, at least do it when they are on sale.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: RootofGood on April 16, 2015, 07:18:04 AM
Buying margaritas is pretty damned frivolous.

My wife used get margaritas when dining at Mexican restaurants.  Although there's something unsettling about paying $5 for the meal and $6 for a small glass with sugary fruity syrup and a shot or two of tequila in it (that we can make at home for $1 or so). 
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: dragoncar on April 16, 2015, 12:50:52 PM
Buying margaritas is pretty damned frivolous.

My wife used get margaritas when dining at Mexican restaurants.  Although there's something unsettling about paying $5 for the meal and $6 for a small glass with sugary fruity syrup and a shot or two of tequila in it (that we can make at home for $1 or so).

I don't know why it bothers me so little that food is marked up at restaurants but It really pisses me off to pay $6 for $1 beer or $8 for a $2 margarita.  I guess I just think alcohol should be federally subsidized.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: frugalnacho on April 16, 2015, 01:33:51 PM
Buying margaritas is pretty damned frivolous.

My wife used get margaritas when dining at Mexican restaurants.  Although there's something unsettling about paying $5 for the meal and $6 for a small glass with sugary fruity syrup and a shot or two of tequila in it (that we can make at home for $1 or so).

I don't know why it bothers me so little that food is marked up at restaurants but It really pisses me off to pay $6 for $1 beer or $8 for a $2 margarita.  I guess I just think alcohol should be federally subsidized.

I'll take it a step further and say that liquor and weed ought to be included as a basic income distribution.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: RootofGood on April 16, 2015, 02:05:45 PM
I don't know why it bothers me so little that food is marked up at restaurants but It really pisses me off to pay $6 for $1 beer or $8 for a $2 margarita.  I guess I just think alcohol should be federally subsidized.

Because you like getting value for money paid?  :)  And you realize you're paying $4.98 to rent a bar stool, $0.02 (plus a buck tip) to have someone remove a bottle cap and place a napkin under your beer, and $1 for the actual beer. 
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: MoneyCat on April 16, 2015, 02:10:11 PM
Any kind of "party" music is going to have these kinds of themes.  A lot of musicians who cater to the lower-classes also like to persuade them with promises of elevation of their social status through conspicuous consumption.  It's all part of the advertising trap that makes people think that if they buy the right things they will get more sex and more respect.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: I'm a red panda on April 16, 2015, 02:20:25 PM


I don't know why it bothers me so little that food is marked up at restaurants but It really pisses me off to pay $6 for $1 beer or $8 for a $2 margarita.  I guess I just think alcohol should be federally subsidized.

I'm surprised so many mustachians drink at all. Even at home alcohol is a lot more expensive than water.  And it is really easy to cut.

But we all have our spendypants habits. I don't drink but I buy a lot of fabric.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: dragoncar on April 16, 2015, 10:13:11 PM
I don't know why it bothers me so little that food is marked up at restaurants but It really pisses me off to pay $6 for $1 beer or $8 for a $2 margarita.  I guess I just think alcohol should be federally subsidized.

Because you like getting value for money paid?  :)  And you realize you're paying $4.98 to rent a bar stool, $0.02 (plus a buck tip) to have someone remove a bottle cap and place a napkin under your beer, and $1 for the actual beer.

Yeah, it occurs to me that the problem is price transparency and fungibility.  I can get the exact same [insert your favorite beer] at Costco for 1/6 the price.  I can't say that I can get the exact same meal in the frozen dinner section.  In other words, I would have to do some work to prepare a cheaper meal myself, but it's dead simple to open my own beer at home.



I don't know why it bothers me so little that food is marked up at restaurants but It really pisses me off to pay $6 for $1 beer or $8 for a $2 margarita.  I guess I just think alcohol should be federally subsidized.

I'm surprised so many mustachians drink at all. Even at home alcohol is a lot more expensive than water.  And it is really easy to cut.

But we all have our spendypants habits. I don't drink but I buy a lot of fabric.

I only drink alcohol to raise my HDL and improve my longevity.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: rocksinmyhead on April 17, 2015, 09:54:24 AM
nd it is really easy to cut.

easy for some :)

I'm really into beer in the same way I'm really into cooking. unfortunately being really into cooking usually saves money... the beer, not so much :(
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: RootofGood on April 17, 2015, 09:43:42 PM
Yeah, it occurs to me that the problem is price transparency and fungibility.  I can get the exact same [insert your favorite beer] at Costco for 1/6 the price.  I can't say that I can get the exact same meal in the frozen dinner section.  In other words, I would have to do some work to prepare a cheaper meal myself, but it's dead simple to open my own beer at home.

True enough, but if I go out somewhere that has "simple" food (pasta, steak, etc) I can't help but quantify what I'm eating.  Like hey, it's $0.50 worth of tomatoes, $2.00 of shrimp and $0.25 of pasta but I just paid $14 for the dish.  Or $4.50 worth of ribeye and $0.25 worth of potato but I paid $16 for it.  Although agreed that it's the effort and expertise to turn simple ingredients into something incredible, warm and delicious that's worth the 4-5x mark up.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: dragoncar on April 19, 2015, 01:00:38 PM
Yeah, it occurs to me that the problem is price transparency and fungibility.  I can get the exact same [insert your favorite beer] at Costco for 1/6 the price.  I can't say that I can get the exact same meal in the frozen dinner section.  In other words, I would have to do some work to prepare a cheaper meal myself, but it's dead simple to open my own beer at home.

True enough, but if I go out somewhere that has "simple" food (pasta, steak, etc) I can't help but quantify what I'm eating.  Like hey, it's $0.50 worth of tomatoes, $2.00 of shrimp and $0.25 of pasta but I just paid $14 for the dish.  Or $4.50 worth of ribeye and $0.25 worth of potato but I paid $16 for it.  Although agreed that it's the effort and expertise to turn simple ingredients into something incredible, warm and delicious that's worth the 4-5x mark up.

Yes, me too.  Which is why I have some stupid internal rule that I don't order stuff at restaurants that I can easily cook myself.  Usually I'll choose something that I would have had to go back in time to roast or marinate for many hours, hunt for ingredients, or buy and open a large package to something just to use a little.
Title: Re: Hip-Hop culture holds people back
Post by: halfshellmeijin on April 19, 2015, 04:38:25 PM
Lupe Fiasco is a hip hop artist I like. But his lyrics include things like

"'Raris too expensive and they way too hard to maintain
Get yourself a Camry, "nigga said a Camry?"
Watch that ho depreciate and then you'll understand me
It's called being fiscally responsible"

But I do have to say I don't listen to most hip-hop/rap. Also for songs that are about anti-mustachian behaviors, The Distance by Cake is all about the guy who loses his family because he spends all his time at work focusing on building his career.