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Title: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: IndyPendent on February 27, 2015, 07:33:08 AM
Someone stop me! I've been reading about the Apple Watch for months, talking myself into it completely. At this point, it's just a matter of how much I'm going to shell out for it--the relatively lower-priced entry model, the middle tier, or the crazy high-end gold version. And don't get me started on the bands!

This may sound like sarcasm, but I'm serious. I want one, and I have the means. Anyone else relate?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: RexualChocolate on February 27, 2015, 07:37:17 AM
I think you have to charge them after 10-12 hours of light use and they'll add zero additional functionality to your phone, other than making you look like you're from the future by talking into your wrist.

So I don't relate, I'd rather spend less and just get a new model phone, my s4 is starting to age. I think if you  focus on the fact that it adds zero features, you'll be able to escape this recent bout of consumerism.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: workathomedad on February 27, 2015, 07:38:50 AM
Zombie want brains
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: LalsConstant on February 27, 2015, 07:51:42 AM
I am going to get raked over the coals for this but if you would use and enjoy it every day and keep it until it just flat wore out, I don't see the problem.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: skunkfunk on February 27, 2015, 08:14:11 AM
I guess I don't see the point. I'm actually not sure what this thing really is or does as I've not cared enough to look into it, but for what would you need it?

A one-time purchase like this won't break a mustachian, really, but take this opportunity to work those frugality muscles.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Gimesalot on February 27, 2015, 08:17:01 AM
buy apple stock instead!
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: EfficientN on February 27, 2015, 08:23:01 AM
From a purely tech-nerd-gadget standpoint, is the Apple watch really that interesting? It's just a small 2nd screen for your phone, which you already have. To do anything interesting, you're going to pull out your phone anyway.

More importantly though, the first edition of the watch isn't likely to be a fully-finished product. Remember the first generation Macbook Air? At the very least, make yourself wait a while and see if your desires change.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Sibley on February 27, 2015, 08:28:29 AM
You asking to be talked out of buying it, which indicates that you know very well you don't need it.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: thd7t on February 27, 2015, 08:32:26 AM
Wait for the second generation.  This is not going to be the apple watch you want in the long term.  If you don't wait for the next one, you'll end up replacing after a year.

Note: I think that you shouldn't get it at all, but if you must, wait until the good one comes out.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: forestbound on February 27, 2015, 08:32:43 AM
buy apple stock instead!

+1

I am a HUGE Apple fan. I have been working on Macintosh computers my entire career, 25+ years! BUT I REFUSE to fall into the trap of needing the latest toy. I BOUGHT STOCK, during the depths of the recession, best APPLE buy ever. I have an iPad 2 (gift) and an OLD iPod (gift) and a brand new Mac Pro desktop, top of the line which makes me money! I refuse to get an iPhone, I have a $5 flip phone I barely use.

I suggest you wait 6 months and get a used one if you absolutely must.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Jack on February 27, 2015, 08:35:29 AM
It could be worse... I just bought a sports car for racing, for example!

(In my defense, I see it as buying a hobby, not a car... and it's a hobby I've really wanted to do for years. And this was my last chance to own a 2-seat car before having kids. And it "only" cost $3500. And now I'm just rationalizing, so I'll shut up.)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: firebeard on February 27, 2015, 08:50:32 AM
If you resist now, your frugality muscles will be bigger and stronger.  If you give in, you are skipping the gym to drive to the ice cream shoppe for a pair of sundaes.

Comrade, exercise your discipline!
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Indio on February 27, 2015, 08:58:04 AM
If you absolutely need to buy it, I agree with a previous commenter about waiting for 2nd gen. Apple makes most of its new releaess in Sept, timed for the holiday shopping season.  Waiting for 2nd gen will mean that you sue it longer and won't want to upgrade as soon as the new improved one comese out.
I read an article this morning that said to buy gold too, just in case Apple sells out of the 1 M planned watches. That tags along with discussion about buying AAPL stock.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: IndyPendent on February 27, 2015, 09:05:13 AM
If you resist now, your frugality muscles will be bigger and stronger.  If you give in, you are skipping the gym to drive to the ice cream shoppe for a pair of sundaes.

Comrade, exercise your discipline!

This speaks to me. The reality is that I already own AAPL stock and my funding for the watch comes from an app that I sell on the App Store. So my justification for this little purchase is that it's completely paid for by all those iPhone owners who buy my app, the proceeds I then use to buy AAPL, and in the last two months alone the capital appreciation on my investment pays for several of the watches.

But do I need it? NO! I just want it, and the more I look at it, the more I want it. However, it really would be "skipping the gym".

But it doesn't stop the desire!
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: EricL on February 27, 2015, 09:09:46 AM
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is so often true."

- Spock
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: MgoSam on February 27, 2015, 09:23:11 AM
If you want it and can afford it then go for it, the only person that can stop you is you. I generally avoid Apple products because they are pricer than the alternatives, but that's just me. I would, however, be wary of joining many of their fans that will buy their newest releases. If this might be you, then I would wait until the 2nd generation to either buy that, or buy a 1st edition for cheap.


This speaks to me. The reality is that I already own AAPL stock and my funding for the watch comes from an app that I sell on the App Store. So my justification for this little purchase is that it's completely paid for by all those iPhone owners who buy my app, the proceeds I then use to buy AAPL, and in the last two months alone the capital appreciation on my investment pays for several of the watches.

But do I need it? NO! I just want it, and the more I look at it, the more I want it. However, it really would be "skipping the gym".

But it doesn't stop the desire!

If this is the case, any chance you might be able to buy it and expense it as a business expense? Especially if you may be wanting to make an app for the watch? I should add that I know little about the upcoming watch, but maybe this is a way to reduce your tax burden, which will help offset some of the eventual cost.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: lise on February 27, 2015, 09:27:19 AM
Get it.  First generation iPhones are collectibles now!

;-)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: GuitarStv on February 27, 2015, 09:29:14 AM
Why do you want it?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: ShoulderThingThatGoesUp on February 27, 2015, 09:51:11 AM
Haha! Sucker.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: GuitarStv on February 27, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
Why do you want it?

Seriously.  We've covered that you want this thing for some reason . . . but you haven't really explained how it's going to make your life better or you happier in any way.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: sol on February 27, 2015, 10:43:23 AM
Do it. Do it because you suck.

My continued lifelong prosperity is dependent on consumer idiots like you.  I don't have to work anymore solely because people like you continue to make bad decisions about disposable consumer goods. 

I want you and all of your friends to buy this thing.  Then a year later buy the upgrade.  And you might need the protection plan.  And you definitely need a variety of bands to go with every outfit. Please also consider purchasing an assortment of new apps to run on it, and some screen protectors, and a spare battery, and maybe an all new wardrobe with shorter sleeves so you can show off your new pride and joy.

Some people are dumb, and other people are rich.  We've each made our choice, I think.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: 2Birds1Stone on February 27, 2015, 11:04:32 AM
Do it. Do it because you suck.

My continued lifelong prosperity is dependent on consumer idiots like you.  I don't have to work anymore solely because people like you continue to make bad decisions about disposable consumer goods. 

I want you and all of your friends to buy this thing.  Then a year later buy the upgrade.  And you might need the protection plan.  And you definitely need a variety of bands to go with every outfit. Please also consider purchasing an assortment of new apps to run on it, and some screen protectors, and a spare battery, and maybe an all new wardrobe with shorter sleeves so you can show off your new pride and joy.

Some people are dumb, and other people are rich.  We've each made our choice, I think.

This made my day.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Jack on February 27, 2015, 11:55:39 AM
Do it. Do it because you suck.

My continued lifelong prosperity is dependent on consumer idiots like you.  I don't have to work anymore solely because people like you continue to make bad decisions about disposable consumer goods. 

I want you and all of your friends to buy this thing.  Then a year later buy the upgrade.  And you might need the protection plan.  And you definitely need a variety of bands to go with every outfit. Please also consider purchasing an assortment of new apps to run on it, and some screen protectors, and a spare battery, and maybe an all new wardrobe with shorter sleeves so you can show off your new pride and joy.

Some people are dumb, and other people are rich.  We've each made our choice, I think.

Wow. Reading that is like watching a 60's Batman fight scene! WHAM! BIFF! POW!
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: anon-e-mouse on February 27, 2015, 12:05:51 PM
sol just made my day.
Like the OP, I really 'want' the stupid watch.... .I really really do.
If I give in and buy it, I give up what I've been striving for.

Sigh.... I probably won't get the watch, I'll pout about it then make myself feel better and just watch my net worth statements over time.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: gimp on February 27, 2015, 12:34:08 PM
Buy it! Muahahaha.

Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Sibley on February 27, 2015, 02:42:20 PM
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is so often true."

- Spock

Very timely.   :(
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: AH013 on February 27, 2015, 03:04:13 PM
Oh no way!  I almost forgot Apple was going to innovate and come up with something completely new and amazing that will revolutionize the wearable consumer electronics industry, until I saw their promotional ad that I attached so we can all see how cool and hip everyone that wears an Apple Watch will be.
(http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/antimustachian-wall-of-shame-and-comedy/help-me-i'm-going-to-buy-the-apple-watch!/?action=dlattach;attach=8489;image)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Ashyukun on February 27, 2015, 03:10:25 PM
If you really think you're going to get that much use out of it and enjoy it that much and can afford it without impacting your own goals? Why not.

Is it something most (OK, pretty much ANY) people really need? No, of course not. Will some people get ~$400 worth of enjoyment out of it? Quite likely. For many here, it would impact (or at least would be perceived as impacting) their goals. For others, it might not.

I personally am rather interested in finally getting to see how they actually work and feel in a store. Am I likely to get one? That will depend on how well my Kickstarter Pebble holds out- I've already had to replace that band when it wore out, and not many have had them for longer than I have to know how long they'll hold out before crapping out. Hopefully for quite a while. If it dies, I'll have to assess the available options to replace it- I find the smartwatch's functionality to be very useful to me and it has been well worth what I paid for it (OK, that's a bit inaccurate given I bought two in the Kickstarter campaign and immediately sold the second for what both of them cost me- meaning I effectively paid nothing for mine...).
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: IndyPendent on February 27, 2015, 03:24:17 PM
Do it. Do it because you suck.

My continued lifelong prosperity is dependent on consumer idiots like you.  I don't have to work anymore solely because people like you continue to make bad decisions about disposable consumer goods. 

I want you and all of your friends to buy this thing.  Then a year later buy the upgrade.  And you might need the protection plan.  And you definitely need a variety of bands to go with every outfit. Please also consider purchasing an assortment of new apps to run on it, and some screen protectors, and a spare battery, and maybe an all new wardrobe with shorter sleeves so you can show off your new pride and joy.

Some people are dumb, and other people are rich.  We've each made our choice, I think.

Ha! Epic facepunch.

I don't have a terrific reason for wanting one, even. Though would there be, with this forum? :)

This is typical with me--I have gadget lust when there's a new thing out there. It sounds stupid when I type it out, and that's likely because it is stupid. This is why I'm posting this on the Antimustachian wall of shame and comedy, and not on some tech blog where I'd get a million sympathetic or encouraging ears. In general I do a decent job of disciplining my mind about these things. For whatever reason this time it's been more difficult.

For anyone curious, my own weasely justification for a "smart watch" in general is rooted in the silent alarm function. I had a Fitbit for a while and really got value out of the alarm not waking my wife up. I certainly don't need a $350 watch to accomplish that.   
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Rezdent on February 27, 2015, 03:32:48 PM
My former self has wallowed in gadget last so I totally get it.
But tech advances so fast now...faster than even five years ago.  Meaning this would be the latest thing for what, a few weeks?  And then, people who got it will be moving on to something else.
Why not compromise a wee bit?
Tell your lust  YES.  But procrastinate on it.  Research it a few more weeks or months.  Soon there will be perfectly great ones, barely used, on the market.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Kriegsspiel on February 27, 2015, 08:07:34 PM
How else do you propose to know sports scores at the power of bicep-curl??? Listen here, you son of a bitch; Buy that fucking watch.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Alabaster on February 28, 2015, 12:36:25 AM
Oh no way!  I almost forgot Apple was going to innovate and come up with something completely new and amazing that will revolutionize the wearable consumer electronics industry, until I saw their promotional ad that I attached so we can all see how cool and hip everyone that wears an Apple Watch will be.
(http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/antimustachian-wall-of-shame-and-comedy/help-me-i'm-going-to-buy-the-apple-watch!/?action=dlattach;attach=8489;image)

Holy fuck, who needs 32 GB of flash space on their watch? How is there even a market for that?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: anon-e-mouse on February 28, 2015, 10:03:10 AM
People would buy iTrashBags for twice the cost if it were shiny and had an apple sticker on it.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: arebelspy on February 28, 2015, 10:06:12 AM
Holy fuck, who needs 32 GB of flash space on their watch? How is there even a market for that?

I think the idea is that it would become your music player.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Strabo on February 28, 2015, 10:50:18 AM

I think the idea is that it would become your music player.

Since 90 % of the functionality of the watch actually need you to own and carry a (presumably newer generation) iPhone anyway it still seems very redundant to have that kind of storage on it.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: fantabulous on February 28, 2015, 10:53:56 AM
I'm not really understanding the whole smart watch thing in general. Couldn't you just find some cheap wristwatch and put an apple sticker over it and get basically the same functionality?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: DagobertDuck on February 28, 2015, 11:05:36 AM
Read this one:

http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/09/18/is-it-convenient-would-i-enjoy-it-wrong-question/
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Kriegsspiel on February 28, 2015, 01:11:43 PM
Holy fuck, who needs 32 GB of flash space on their watch? How is there even a market for that?

I think the idea is that it would become your music player.

So, since nobody wants a wire connecting their headphones and their wrist, you'd pretty much be obligated to get blue tooth headphones too.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: arebelspy on February 28, 2015, 01:14:36 PM
Holy fuck, who needs 32 GB of flash space on their watch? How is there even a market for that?

I think the idea is that it would become your music player.

So, since nobody wants a wire connecting their headphones and their wrist, you'd pretty much be obligated to get blue tooth headphones too.

Sure, if you don't already have some.  For me going cordless for headphones a few years ago made a big impact, so I already have them.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: sol on February 28, 2015, 01:39:55 PM
Holy fuck, who needs 32 GB of flash space on their watch? How is there even a market for that?

I think the idea is that it would become your music player.


Are you really suggesting that people will spend $750 so that they can leave their phone at home and still have (part of) their music collecton on hand?

There's a reason the market for mp3 players dried up.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: arebelspy on February 28, 2015, 01:46:40 PM

Holy fuck, who needs 32 GB of flash space on their watch? How is there even a market for that?

I think the idea is that it would become your music player.


Are you really suggesting that people will spend $750 so that they can leave their phone at home and still have (part of) their music collecton on hand?

There's a reason the market for mp3 players dried up.

No, of course not.

Their phone will be with them.

How else will they get notifications on their watch?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: sol on February 28, 2015, 01:53:40 PM
So they have their phone and BT headphones with them.  How does the watch figure into their music collection again?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Argyle on February 28, 2015, 02:01:57 PM
This whole thing is such a chase-your-own-tail kind of consumerist urging.  The powers of marketing are trying to get us all to replace as many possessions as possible as often as possible.  I remember when a camera and a watch were things you kept pretty much forever.  Meaning: you never had to pay money for a new one.  Now they get you to replace your phone as often as possible (I believe the average is every 18 months), and your camera for those who have separate cameras.  But the problem with combining everything into your phone is that then you're only replacing one item every 18 months.  Solution!  Take the watch part back out of the phone and turn that into another thing that has to be replaced on a regular schedule.  Because you can bet that even if you want to hang onto it for some epic period like 3-4 years, the software and the apps and all that will have moved on, and it won't be working right any more, and then it will be a $350 piece of junk.

If you put that money in the market, at a modest 5% return, that money will be $525 after ten years.  But are you going to stop replacing your Apple watches after they become defunct?  Or would you be on the treadmill? 

If you bought another $350 watch (let's say the price stayed the same) in another three years, and then that one became outdated and you bought your third in another three years — replacing these things a lot more slowly than they want you to — all that money plus interest would add up to $1397 at the end of ten years.  Would you pay $1400 for the Apple watch?  Are you aiming at FI?  Or would the money better be spent on a vacation you'll remember forever, or some other irreplaceable experience?

Henry David Thoreau found a nice rock and brought it into his cabin on Walden Pond and set it on his windowsill.  He was trying to live the simple life.  After a while he found that the rock needed dusting.  He opened the window and threw it out.  "It is best to avoid the beginnings of evil," he wrote.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: arebelspy on February 28, 2015, 02:13:18 PM
So they have their phone and BT headphones with them.  How does the watch figure into their music collection again?

They load the music onto the watch instead of or in addition to.

Sol, I feel like you are trying to make logical sense of it.  What on earth would make you think these people would be logically purchasing this for an actual needed purpose?  Stop being ridiculous.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: gooki on March 01, 2015, 01:07:21 AM
My 2 cents, don't waste your money being an early adopter. The iphone took four generations to become great, so if you really do want one, try and wait a couple of generations.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: arebelspy on March 01, 2015, 08:36:50 AM
My 2 cents, don't waste your money being an early adopter. The iphone took four generations to become great, so if you really do want one, try and wait a couple of generations.

It depends on the product.

I loved my first gen iPhone (though I bought used only after it was jail broken/unlocked so I could get on TMobile at the time with my unlimited plan, rather than AT&T, and only had for a year, didn't get another one until the 4S). And loved my 1st gen iPad.

The watch I'm skeptical on.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: IndyPendent on March 01, 2015, 10:18:43 AM
Well, I've temporarily been talked off the ledge. It helps to have this forum to balance out the relentless consumer engine!

I took my old (given to me) Fitbit out of the drawer and charged it up--I found replacement bands on eBay for $1.75 each, and ordered 10 of them. I'd tossed aside the Fitbit because the bands kept breaking every couple of months, but this should do nicely as a silent alarm for the next couple of years! Total cost = $17.50 over three years is a nice step down from the ~$400 after tax that I was considering. So, now I've got 380 employees that I can put to work.

I'm sure I'm not alone in the waffling over this new piece of machinery, so hopefully this thread helps anyone else out that needs a kick in the pants!

Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on March 01, 2015, 06:09:49 PM
Holy fuck, who needs 32 GB of flash space on their watch? How is there even a market for that?

So you can carry your music on your run and play it to your Bluetooth headphones when you don't want to carry your phone.

Duh.  :p

I kind of like my smartwatch (LG G Watch), but it was a gift, and I've told several people who asked, "Yeah, it's cool, but I don't think I'd pay money for it."
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: AH013 on March 02, 2015, 07:48:52 AM
Holy fuck, who needs 32 GB of flash space on their watch? How is there even a market for that?

So you can carry your music on your run and play it to your Bluetooth headphones when you don't want to carry your phone.

Duh.  :p

I kind of like my smartwatch (LG G Watch), but it was a gift, and I've told several people who asked, "Yeah, it's cool, but I don't think I'd pay money for it."

I love how my "ad" was (what I thought at least) clearly sarcastic, given the blatant strike through of all the references to Samsung.  It was intended to poke fun at the fact that Apple has a nice history of taking older innovations from Samsung, using outdated gen hardware, making no SD storage access but offering models with extra integrated storage at exorbitant prices, upping the base price, slapping a logo of a bitten apple on it and getting drones to line up and sing its praises as the hottest new thing and proof of Apple's ability to innovate.  Apple hasn't released the official specs yet, at least not that I'm aware of....but I bet mine will be close :)

But it's cracking me up that you guys are both offering up legitimate and tongue-in-cheek justifications for why a 32GB watch model makes sense.  LOL!
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Le0 on March 04, 2015, 10:29:20 AM
Someone stop me! I've been reading about the Apple Watch for months, talking myself into it completely. At this point, it's just a matter of how much I'm going to shell out for it--the relatively lower-priced entry model, the middle tier, or the crazy high-end gold version. And don't get me started on the bands!

This may sound like sarcasm, but I'm serious. I want one, and I have the means. Anyone else relate?

Consider this a partial help... at least it is cheaper and works with both android and ios

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-time-awesome-smartwatch-no-compromises
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Chuck on March 04, 2015, 11:05:44 AM
As I holder of AAPL stock, I encourage you to buy the watch.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: rpr on March 04, 2015, 02:19:32 PM
As I holder of APPL stock, I encourage you to buy the watch.

What does Appell Petroleum Corp have to do with Apple Watches?

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/appl

I assume you meant AAPL ;)

Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Chuck on March 04, 2015, 02:26:30 PM
As I holder of APPL stock, I encourage you to buy the watch.

What does Appell Petroleum Corp have to do with Apple Watches?

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/appl

I assume you meant AAPL ;)
Ha, you sass you! I'm editing that post now...
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: rpr on March 09, 2015, 02:33:49 PM
http://www.apple.com/watch/
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: AH013 on March 09, 2015, 04:00:11 PM
http://www.apple.com/watch/

http://www.apple.com/watch/apple-watch-edition/

"Take your cheap stainless steel version out of here you petty commoner!  18k gold plated version with a leather band, at least until the version with a diamond bevel is released so I can trade up.  Anything less is so pedestrian." -- Apple Snob
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Allen on March 09, 2015, 05:20:05 PM
I had thought I might have wanted a watch (waiting to see the compelling reason for it to exist).

I didn't see it.

Lust for Apple Watch over.

I do want a fitness band though (e.g. Fitbit), but I have been holding off that purchase for over a year now waiting to see what Apple would do.

Now, maybe I just won't get anything at all.  Do I need a fitness band or do I just need to get up and walk more?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: GuitarStv on March 10, 2015, 06:20:30 AM
Why do you want it?

Seriously.  We've covered that you want this thing for some reason . . . but you haven't really explained how it's going to make your life better or you happier in any way.

2nd page of the thread and nobody has really answered this question.  :P
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: lise on March 10, 2015, 08:13:21 AM

I do want a fitness band though (e.g. Fitbit), but I have been holding off that purchase for over a year now waiting to see what Apple would do.

Do I need a fitness band or do I just need to get up and walk more?

You need a friendly facepunch ;)
Stop buying things nobody needs just because some ad agency came up with a great marketing scheme...

Just like any other electronic gizmo, the "newness" factor will wear off in about 90 days, then it will go in the drawer of forgotten things. If you need a wristband to tell you you need to be active and give your body the excercise it needs, then you need more than just a wristband.

I got a FITBIT free (my brothers work were giving them out and he already had one). 

It is useful, I thought I walked a lot, but not quite as much as I thought on some days, so it was nice to know what I was actually doing. 

There are also smartphone apps that track movement (one is called Moves).  Just keep your phone on you while you're moving.  I heard it does drain the battery though.

In summary, they are useful for non motivated people like me that need some sort of reminder to get up and move.  Some people have in built motivation, some people need external motivation.  Just like some people can work out at the gym on their on, while others need to go to fitness classes and have someone yelling at them to move!
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: DagobertDuck on March 10, 2015, 10:49:37 AM
Do I need a fitness band or do I just need to get up and walk more?

Sell your car and walk/bike to work ;-)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on March 10, 2015, 12:19:52 PM
Why do you want it?

Seriously.  We've covered that you want this thing for some reason . . . but you haven't really explained how it's going to make your life better or you happier in any way.

2nd page of the thread and nobody has really answered this question.  :P

There's not a good answer.  :)  I only wear a smartwatch because it was a gift.  And I still rock my mechanical watch on a regular basis.  It's nice on occasion, but definitely not worth $350+.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: EricL on March 10, 2015, 12:35:45 PM
In spite of being a die hard Apple fan, after watching the intro video I can't say I'm really sold on the watch.  But I wasn't initially sold on the iPhone either.  But go ahead and buy it. My stock can use a shot in the arm.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: lifejoy on March 10, 2015, 12:38:34 PM
Ask yourself: is this purchase the end, or the beginning?

Every time you buy a new __toy you "need"___ it will eventually become less shiny and new, and you will "need" another new shiny toy.

I know this because it's precisely how I operate(d).

Trying to change.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: SU on March 10, 2015, 01:00:12 PM
I went from this post to the Guardian website - this was the first headline that attracted my attention, so I had to come back again: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/10/nine-reasons-only-a-tool-would-buy-the-apple-watch (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/10/nine-reasons-only-a-tool-would-buy-the-apple-watch)

Loved #2.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: zoltani on March 10, 2015, 01:09:05 PM
Eh, you won't need this thing after a few years, when we all have chips implanted directly in our brains. Phones, watches, cameras, all will be things of the past.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: RapmasterD on March 10, 2015, 01:24:53 PM
I've been agonizing over this potential purchase as well. But back in the day:

The iPhone represented a fusing of devices I was already using: smartphone and MP3 player. And I waited until the third generation.

The iPad represented a more portable way to read and get shit done. And I waited until the second generation.

Apple TV helped me cut the cord years ago. And I waited until the second generation.

Other than an easier way to fire off a tracking app when I begin my run, I really can't see what the Apple Watch represents for me, other than an entry path to another gadget I'll want to buy stuff around and upgrade over time.

The dollars are small, relatively speaking. It's the principle I cannot get my arms around. I will continue upgrading my iPhone every year. Punch away! But I'm simply saying 'no' on this one.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Imustacheyouaquestion on March 10, 2015, 03:01:44 PM
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Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: marty998 on March 10, 2015, 03:21:53 PM
Does it tell the time?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: zoltani on March 10, 2015, 03:47:47 PM
Does it tell the time?

Only if you follow the following swiping sequence while standing on one leg:

Up up down down left right left right, and tap twice in the middle. 
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Jags4186 on March 10, 2015, 03:55:59 PM
I really have no idea what the use for this product is. It seems like it does some NFC things?  Hotel room key? I don't really get it...you could just hold your phone and do everything. Hell they even make fancy arm bands for iPhones. You can get them for like $15...

I could be wrong, but I think this device will just end up in the drawers of a lot of people...

Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Indexer on March 10, 2015, 04:50:05 PM
Oh no way!  I almost forgot Apple was going to innovate and come up with something completely new and amazing that will revolutionize the wearable consumer electronics industry, until I saw their promotional ad that I attached so we can all see how cool and hip everyone that wears an Apple Watch will be.
(http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/antimustachian-wall-of-shame-and-comedy/help-me-i'm-going-to-buy-the-apple-watch!/?action=dlattach;attach=8489;image)

This reminds me of....

(http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1398960/iphone-vs-nexus-4.jpg?w=600)

You can do the same comparison with Apple TV VS Roku.  With the Roku you get a lot more capabilities for a much lower cost

Apple USE to take an idea, make it better, and charge more for it.  Blackberry VS original iphone, or any mp3 player VS iPod.

Now Apple takes an idea, sends it to China, spends a few billion on advertising, and then resells a cheaply made copy of the idea for an extremely marked up price.  As long as people keep falling for this trick I'm fine buying the stock, but none of their products.

A smartwatch in general isn't a good idea yet because 1. battery life is horrible.  2. cost is too high.  3.  there aren't any capabilities that actually warrant them yet.  There are plenty of fitness trackers, and everything else a smart watch does just saves you pulling out your phone.  If you are walking this saves you 3 seconds.  If you are at work or home the phone is probably laying on a surface nearby so it saves less than 1 second.  4.  Most of them are ugly.  The iwatch is hideous.  They look like a $5 digital watch.  The iwatch looks like a $5 digital watch that is sold somewhere that they care about 'bling'(ex. the dollar store).  5.  They aren't properly waterproofed yet.  Most mechanical watches are good to at least 50 feet underwater... not that you would need that, but hey... rain or spilling a drink on them or even swimming with them isn't going to cause a problem.

Please go spend $350 on a watch that stops working after it gets rained on, and then go spend another $350 on the replacement.  I'm sure AAPL will benefit.

My mechanical watch requires no charge at all, my arm movements rewind it.  Its waterproof.  It tells time.  It looks a whole lot better than any of these smartwatches.  Well the LG one looks good, but it still suffers the other problems.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: lise on March 10, 2015, 05:21:50 PM
For me going cordless for headphones a few years ago made a big impact, so I already have them.

Can you elaborate on the benefits of cordless headphones? I'm thinking I could use them at the gym without getting weights tangled in the cord, at the grocery store when I seem to yank the cord out a lot while shopping, maybe while cooking (?) since I listen to podcasts while I clean up, and maybe while riding the bus so it's less obvious which pocket my phone is riding in.

running.  for me the cord swaying annoys me.    however i just stop running with music now and use the time to meditate
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: MoneyCat on March 10, 2015, 08:03:24 PM
The Apple Watch:

Pro:  You can pretend you are Dick Tracy.
Con: It's pretty much useless.

The End.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on March 10, 2015, 11:52:27 PM
5.  They aren't properly waterproofed yet.  Most mechanical watches are good to at least 50 feet underwater... not that you would need that, but hey... rain or spilling a drink on them or even swimming with them isn't going to cause a problem.

At least in the Android Wear side of things, the LG G watch is "waterproof enough to wear on my arm through torrential Seattle downpours when I'm soaked through everywhere else," so it's more than waterproof enough for most uses...

I agree with you entirely about the rest of the points though.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: GuitarStv on March 11, 2015, 07:48:31 AM
The Apple Watch:

Pro:  You can pretend you are Dick Tracy.
Con: It's pretty much useless.

The End.

Ad campaign slogan suggestion:

Apple watch . . . because sometimes you need to feel like a Dick.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: zoltani on March 11, 2015, 01:48:43 PM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/l/t1.0-9/11012208_10155298065470581_345756894570145113_n.jpg?oh=f131c452bb366549d06403a816e49820&oe=5571A845)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on March 11, 2015, 01:57:09 PM
Apple was jealous of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Rich

:)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: lise on March 11, 2015, 02:02:07 PM
I just updated my iPhone and they downloaded a non-deletable app for the watch.  I've stored it in to a folder called "useless" !
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Indexer on March 11, 2015, 04:24:57 PM
5.  They aren't properly waterproofed yet.  Most mechanical watches are good to at least 50 feet underwater... not that you would need that, but hey... rain or spilling a drink on them or even swimming with them isn't going to cause a problem.

At least in the Android Wear side of things, the LG G watch is "waterproof enough to wear on my arm through torrential Seattle downpours when I'm soaked through everywhere else," so it's more than waterproof enough for most uses...

I agree with you entirely about the rest of the points though.

Good to hear at least one of them is waterproof.  However the LG G is very guilty of looking like a 1990s $5 digital watch.  The only one I would actually want to have on my arm(not that I'm buying it) would be the Moto 360.


And the $10,000 iwatch.  I hope it rains when people leave the store. 
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on March 11, 2015, 04:44:44 PM
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/LG+G+Watch+Teardown/27037 has a teardown of the LG G watch, and Step 9 has the rubber gasket.  Apparently it's rated for 30 minutes to 1 meter, which, while not a "go swimming with it" waterproof rating, is good enough for pretty much anything you'll encounter outside a swimming pool or pond.

It looks like the Apple Watch has an IPX7 rating (1 meter for 30 minutes), so it should stand up to the exact same level of water (though, if my experience repairing Apple hardware is any guide, it will radically exceed that in practice).  So, not likely to care if you go singing in the rain with it.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: lavidaportland on March 14, 2015, 08:02:38 AM
Are you FIRE already?! If not, why do you want this watch more than your freedom?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on March 14, 2015, 09:50:19 AM
Even if you are, it's a bit silly. :)

As one of few people who actually has a smartwatch in this thread, they really aren't that radical an improvement over just optimizing your phone's notifications down.

The one use case I can see for one, and would really have liked one for, is being oncall.  When you're in charge of a bunch of production services and the point of contact for several developer teams with regards to production changes, a smart watch would have been very, very nice for determining, "Is this important or can it wait until I'm back at my desk?"
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: dividendman on March 14, 2015, 09:55:20 AM
Apple was jealous of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Rich

:)

Motherfuckers.... how come I didn't think of making that app?

I also wonder when the Apple pocket watch is coming out. Imagine that? You'd have a cool electronic device in your pocket you could whip out and tell the time in and do other things with style.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on March 14, 2015, 11:23:48 AM
Man, patent that idea!
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: acorn on March 15, 2015, 04:05:59 PM
not sure how accurate it is, but here you go!

http://dadaviz.com/i/3598
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: arebelspy on March 15, 2015, 04:16:36 PM
not sure how accurate it is, but here you go!

http://dadaviz.com/i/3598

Weird that (for a site that looks like they create these all the time), they have NV and UT switched.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: sheepstache on March 15, 2015, 08:19:10 PM
Does it tell the time?

Only if you follow the following swiping sequence while standing on one leg:

Up up down down left right left right, and tap twice in the middle.

It's like that Kromega commercial from SNL. "And with the third hand . . .!"
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/77/77akromega.phtml
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: IndyPendent on March 16, 2015, 10:07:25 AM
Well crap. I thought I had this thing licked, and yet that consumeristic desire still washes over me each time I read an article about the stupid thing.

So don't read any articles, idiot!, I can hear you say. Unfortunately my day job is reading, researching, and writing about new technology. So...I can't help but read about it.

This is certainly an exercise in discipline.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: rocketman48097 on March 16, 2015, 10:18:18 AM
buy apple stock instead!

Amen to that, we bought our first shares in 2007, sold it later, and bought some more later on that we still own today.  This has been wildly successful for us. 
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on March 16, 2015, 10:55:58 AM
Amen to that, we bought our first shares in 2007, sold it later, and bought some more later on that we still own today.  This has been wildly successful for us.

:) It's amazing how my attitude towards totally full Southwest flights changed once I owned some LUV (Southwest's stock).
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Ashyukun on March 16, 2015, 11:38:26 AM
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/LG+G+Watch+Teardown/27037 has a teardown of the LG G watch, and Step 9 has the rubber gasket.  Apparently it's rated for 30 minutes to 1 meter, which, while not a "go swimming with it" waterproof rating, is good enough for pretty much anything you'll encounter outside a swimming pool or pond.

It looks like the Apple Watch has an IPX7 rating (1 meter for 30 minutes), so it should stand up to the exact same level of water (though, if my experience repairing Apple hardware is any guide, it will radically exceed that in practice).  So, not likely to care if you go singing in the rain with it.

The original Pebble is waterproof to 5ATM- so roughly 165 ft in water, and was tested in both fresh and salt water. I wore mine pretty much constantly on our last vacation through both pools & time swimming in the ocean since it serves as my pedometer, and it's still ticking (metaphorically speaking...) along happily. Ironically, I usually take it off when in the shower since that time is perfect for topping off its battery (it will run for the better part of a week without charging, but works well for me to just consistently charge it for that time- I do best with routines in place :P).
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on March 16, 2015, 11:47:52 AM
Also, a suggestion to anyone considering it:

Wait 6 months.  Ask a friend with one if they think it was worth the money.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Chuck on March 16, 2015, 03:17:58 PM
Well crap. I thought I had this thing licked, and yet that consumeristic desire still washes over me each time I read an article about the stupid thing.

So don't read any articles, idiot!, I can hear you say. Unfortunately my day job is reading, researching, and writing about new technology. So...I can't help but read about it.

This is certainly an exercise in discipline.
Luxury items are not items of utility. They sell you feelings, and the ability to passively project something to others.

Rolex has been doing this for decades: Sell a watch movement that is based on 500 year old technology, made of precious metals and stones, and get others to pretend that it's worth 7k to start.

At least the Apple Watch also pays for your coffee and opens your hotel room door. ;)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: jeromedawg on March 19, 2015, 03:02:17 PM
I know of at least a handful of people who I will not be surprised at when they buy this, given their existing armada of Apple-only products. And yes, at least one of them "needs" a Mac Pro trashcan to justify the "development" work he does, which I'm pretty sure is just using XCode. For the rest, they're begrudgingly stuck with their 15" Macbook Pros, steaming in envy at the one who has the Mac Pro...

And me? Well, I'm infuriated at how I can't open more than 10 tabs at once with my puny Macbook Air. No, seriously. Wait what were we talking about again? Iphones?

On a lighter note, my mother-in-law, who my brother-in-law gave a Samsung Galaxy Tab to, keeps referring to it as an "IPad" - look at what Apple has done to the world. 
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: rocketman48097 on March 20, 2015, 08:45:59 AM
As I holder of AAPL stock, I encourage you to buy the watch.

I own Apple too.  I actually think their products are phenomenal, but my Iphone six was paid for by my work, and they pay the monthly cell plan as well.  No way in hell I would have bought this with my own money.  Having said that, the iPhone six is phenomenal at the price of $0.00. 
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: zoltani on March 20, 2015, 10:36:34 AM
I'm waiting for the Apple Toilet, the ishit! I hear they will announce later this year, just in time for christmas season.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: jmusic on March 20, 2015, 11:04:07 AM
I'm actually gonna go against the consensus and recommend EXACTLY ONE reason to buy the watch:

Develop Apps for it and make $$$$$.  You said that you built an iPhone app, so make a LOT of apps for the Watch. 

If you can't, or won't do this, then don't buy it.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Brawndo TQ on March 21, 2015, 09:55:23 AM
Yeah I might get one too, mostly for the fitness tracking. Plus Apple software is good. Plus I've got the money.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: sol on March 21, 2015, 11:59:24 AM
Plus I've got the money.

Not for long.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on March 21, 2015, 01:26:56 PM
Yeah I might get one too, mostly for the fitness tracking. Plus Apple software is good. Plus I've got the money.

It'll be interesting to see how the Apple Watch compares to other options for fitness tracking (FitBit, Microsoft Band, etc).  At least on the Android side of the smartwatch fence, the pulsemeters are unreliable at best (I know a few people who have watches with them and they're not impressed - the best they'll say is that it works some of the time) (plus, you can't put a band across the back with them - it limits your watch band options a bit).  The fitbits and similar are much better at being step trackers & such, in addition to being cheaper, with longer battery life.

Apple software is certainly great, but "Things you can do with a smartwatch" is a very limited set of things, and most of the interesting ones involve internet bragging rights (as I understand "run tracking" and "ride tracking" website... it's about 10% useful, 90% comparing yourself to other people).

At a minimum, wait a few months and buy one used from someone who bought one on the first day and no longer uses it. :)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Chuck on March 24, 2015, 01:53:50 PM
There is a universe of possiblities for the device, and if some of them are realized I could see myself purchasing one.

Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: dividendman on March 24, 2015, 02:10:31 PM
I thought of another one (aside from the Apple PocketWatch): the Apple HeadBand, or iBand.

It's a device that wraps around your head and reads your brain activity. When you are thinking of making a frivolous purchase it zaps you and then you learn Pavlov style. It can also be tuned to zap you for trying to eat something unhealthy.

Now, the big flaw with this is that once somebody buys it they'll be in for a lot of pain just walking into an Apple store.

I think the iAnklet may be a good idea too. You never know when you need to send some email, find out the time or the weather while tying your shoes or clipping your toenails.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: gimp on March 24, 2015, 03:47:27 PM
I'm excited for the apple spaceship. It will automatically take off, enter the asteroid field between mars and the outer solar system, land on asteroids, strip-mine them for materials; use the materials to build more strip-mining devices, repair devices, and solar-energy transmitters; the solar-energy transmitters will fly off to start forming a dyson sphere (partial - we still want the sun's energy on earth). After some time, enough material will be mined and refined, we'll have energy-gatherers and re-transmitters, wireless stations to re-broadcast signals (a la cell towers), mining robots, refineries for all sorts of materials, and repair devices for all of the above (which can manufacture all the required components as needed, including silicon). Then, we can start building space stations - Asimov had the good idea of simply filling a kilometer-thick outer hull with space garbage to prevent small objects from penetrating; they can spin, providing a feeling of gravity (everyone lives along the outside).

It will be called the iMine.

And all y'all will still be pissed they're $500 each.

:D
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: IndyPendent on April 09, 2015, 06:33:11 PM
Tonight's the night! 12:01 am EST the watch goes on preorder. It's been tough,  especially since a large number of my colleagues are buying it, but I've decided to decline.


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Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Mikeshollen on April 10, 2015, 05:18:11 AM
And it's available for preorder. Let the short term satisfaction begin. :-)

But seriously. I plan on getting the basic model. And I really don't feel guilty about it. I live on about a third of my paycheck (the rest is for taxes and investing). Saying yes to everything means you never leave the rat race. Saying no to everything means you never do or have anything. Neither extreme is desirable. So you have to decide what reasonable part of your budget is acceptable to use for "wussypants luxury items" and buy one on occasion.

The key here, is that you researched it for months. That tells you it's not an impulse buy. I like to make a list of extras, and then ignore the list. I go back to it every once in a while and review it. Lots of stuff I decide I don't really want and simply remove it. I reorder it. Some things move up and get purchased, some things move down in importance and I wait on them. It helps me stay within that reasonable budget I set.

And as an added bonus, when family asks me what I want for my birthday, I don't have to come up with some random crap I don't need because I still have my digital wish list on my phone, er, um... Apple Watch?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: arebelspy on April 10, 2015, 09:02:54 AM
Good for you.  A planned purchase you decide will improve your life in some way is one of the major points of LBYM.

Not for me, but enjoy!
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: RapmasterD on April 10, 2015, 01:39:17 PM
Good for you.  A planned purchase you decide will improve your life in some way is one of the major points of LBYM.

Not for me, but enjoy!

+1 -- Nice to see an upbeat and non-judgmental perspective.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Chuck on April 10, 2015, 01:56:27 PM
I still haven't seen anyone describe why this watch will make your life better.  As you have researched this watch for months, please describe why you have come to that conclusion.  I'm curious.

And it's available for preorder. Let the short term satisfaction begin. :-)

But seriously. I plan on getting the basic model. And I really don't feel guilty about it. I live on about a third of my paycheck (the rest is for taxes and investing). Saying yes to everything means you never leave the rat race. Saying no to everything means you never do or have anything. Neither extreme is desirable. So you have to decide what reasonable part of your budget is acceptable to use for "wussypants luxury items" and buy one on occasion.

The key here, is that you researched it for months. That tells you it's not an impulse buy. I like to make a list of extras, and then ignore the list. I go back to it every once in a while and review it. Lots of stuff I decide I don't really want and simply remove it. I reorder it. Some things move up and get purchased, some things move down in importance and I wait on them. It helps me stay within that reasonable budget I set.

And as an added bonus, when family asks me what I want for my birthday, I don't have to come up with some random crap I don't need because I still have my digital wish list on my phone, er, um... Apple Watch?
Passive notification. You are alerted, in a subtle way, to truly important emails/texts/snapchats. This allows you to keep your phone in your pocket when you aren't actively using it for a deliberate purpose. No more phone on the table at dinner.

Also, the ability to use apple pay and monitor your heartrate/run distance is a great combo for street runners. Run to Jamba. Buy smoothie. All with only the watch. NFC on your wrist is cool and has lots of potential.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: gimp on April 10, 2015, 02:14:02 PM
The big thing, IMO, is that it basically offloads the distractions from your phone to your wrist, and lets you choose to ignore many/most/all of them depending on what you're doing.

If you take pride in not owning a smartphone, or not owning anything but the most basic smartphone, or hardly ever using a phone, it simply isn't for you.



If you're like many people, and constantly either A) missing notifications or B) being distracted by notifications and having to fish around for your phone to answer whatever just came in, it's actually quite nice.

Tap tap. You know those taps are a text. Flick your wrist up: it's from your friend asking what's up. You're busy; your wrist goes down. That's it. Later on, your answer it. Tap tap, your SO is asking something. Dictate your response. Done. You get the point. It's also a better replacement device during certain situations - let's be honest, a lot of people text while they drive, we can't stop them apart from ticketing them whenever possible; I'd rather those people dictated to their wrist than put a big screen between their eyes and the road...

I don't use my phone in a manner where this would be necessary for me, but I do really see it. A lot of people are too distracted by their phone, this promises to be, if not a cure, at least part of one.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: sol on April 10, 2015, 02:22:18 PM
Despite all the media hype claiming this will free us, I fail to see how adding another device to your person will reduce digital distractions.

Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Buy our digital device to free yourself of digital overload.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: rpr on April 10, 2015, 02:59:25 PM
Despite all the media hype claiming this will free us, I fail to see how adding another device to your person will reduce digital distractions.

Freedom is slavery. Ignorance it's strength. Buy our digital device to free yourself of digital overload.

Agree fully. I personally turn all notifications off. I will check my email when I want to.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Bobberth on April 10, 2015, 03:33:21 PM
Who wears a watch anymore?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: libertarian4321 on April 11, 2015, 02:51:17 AM

This may sound like sarcasm, but I'm serious. I want one, and I have the means. Anyone else relate?

Nice troll!

Er, you weren't serious, were you?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: thd7t on April 13, 2015, 09:37:23 AM
Despite all the media hype claiming this will free us, I fail to see how adding another device to your person will reduce digital distractions.

Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Buy our digital device to free yourself of digital overload.
Shackle watch.  Because 2+2=5
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Chuck on April 13, 2015, 09:58:28 AM
1 million preordered in the first 24 hours. It took four months to sell 1 million iPhones when they came out in 2007.

While I plan on sitting out this generation, this will justify further R&D money into features they couldn't perfect for this model, like blood pressure and blood sugar monitoring.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Valhalla on April 13, 2015, 10:37:46 AM
1 million preordered in the first 24 hours. It took four months to sell 1 million iPhones when they came out in 2007.

While I plan on sitting out this generation, this will justify further R&D money into features they couldn't perfect for this model, like blood pressure and blood sugar monitoring.
Not surprised.  Why is most of America living paycheck to paycheck?

Coincidentally, it always seems those who have the least, always have the nicest sneakers, cellphones, TV's, gaming systems, riced out cars, etc etc etc. 
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Scandium on April 13, 2015, 11:25:19 AM

Passive notification. You are alerted, in a subtle way, to truly important emails/texts/snapchats. This allows you to keep your phone in your pocket when you aren't actively using it for a deliberate purpose. No more phone on the table at dinner.

Also, the ability to use apple pay and monitor your heartrate/run distance is a great combo for street runners. Run to Jamba. Buy smoothie. All with only the watch. NFC on your wrist is cool and has lots of potential.

1. I seriously doubt this will be the case. Now people will obsessively look at their watch at dinner instead. Equally rude and hardly an improvement
2. I have yet to suffered degraded life-satisfaction because I missed a notification. But maybe I'm not CEO enough..

Most people (including me) don't run enough as it is, why do I need to know how far it is? What's wrong with just running as far as possible? Unless you're an olympian does it really matter how far you run and what your HR is? Just running at all would be an improvement for 90% of people.

PS: I own a HR/GPS monitor. It's neat, but have not made me run more, better or faster. I haven't used it much lately.

The apple watch will solve one important problem; people who have between $300 and $17,000 they want to get rid off and don't have a lighter nearby
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: thurston howell iv on April 13, 2015, 11:40:27 AM


Like Everyone Else.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: MissGina on April 13, 2015, 11:54:48 AM
1 million preordered in the first 24 hours. It took four months to sell 1 million iPhones when they came out in 2007.

While I plan on sitting out this generation, this will justify further R&D money into features they couldn't perfect for this model, like blood pressure and blood sugar monitoring.
Not surprised.  Why is most of America living paycheck to paycheck?

Coincidentally, it always seems those who have the least, always have the nicest sneakers, cellphones, TV's, gaming systems, riced out cars, etc etc etc.

I was at Apple Store yesterday just looking at them. The sales person was doing a good job selling it!
"No need to reach into your pocket on a crowded subway where people can steal your phone from your hand"
"No more digging in your big purse to find you phone ladies"
"Easier to look at map on your wrist and drive then have a big phone to look at"

Those were just some of the gems the sales guys dropped.

Not for me though.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Valhalla on April 13, 2015, 01:02:44 PM

I was at Apple Store yesterday just looking at them. The sales person was doing a good job selling it!
"No need to reach into your pocket on a crowded subway where people can steal your phone from your hand"
"No more digging in your big purse to find you phone ladies"
"Easier to look at map on your wrist and drive then have a big phone to look at"

Those were just some of the gems the sales guys dropped.

Not for me though.
They forgot the biggest selling point of all "you'll look stupid rich because you have so much money to blow one something useless as this watch".

This reason is the main reason the Apple watch will sell like hot cakes.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: GuitarStv on April 14, 2015, 12:59:29 PM

"Easier to look at map on your wrist and drive then have a big phone to look at"



Ugh.  More distractions for drivers.  Wonderful.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on April 14, 2015, 01:02:09 PM
It's actually less distracting to have my phone ping my Android Wear watch with nav directions when I'm going somewhere new.  And it doesn't take over audio to tell you to TURN RIGHT IN 500 FEET AT NORTHEAST WESTERN 118TH AVENUE SOUTH TURN RIGHT AT NORTHEAST WESTERN 118TH AVENUE SOUTH THEN TURN LEFT ON SOUTHWEST MAIN PLACE AVENUE TURN LEFT ON SOUTHWEST MAIN PLACE AVENUE...
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Chuck on April 14, 2015, 03:58:44 PM

"Easier to look at map on your wrist and drive then have a big phone to look at"



Ugh.  More distractions for drivers.  Wonderful.
Both hands on wheel. Haptic feedback means you don't need to see he screen anyway.

Sounds like a significant safety improvement to me.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Scandium on April 15, 2015, 02:31:22 PM

"Easier to look at map on your wrist and drive then have a big phone to look at"



Ugh.  More distractions for drivers.  Wonderful.
Both hands on wheel. Haptic feedback means you don't need to see he screen anyway.

Sounds like a significant safety improvement to me.
Yeah because that will work.. When it poke you does that mean turn left or right? Now or in 300 ft? Besides, we have voice guidance now which has already solved this.

And I doubt the half dozen people I see every day on their phones going 70 mph on I95 are looking at directions..
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: gimp on April 15, 2015, 03:15:39 PM

"Easier to look at map on your wrist and drive then have a big phone to look at"



Ugh.  More distractions for drivers.  Wonderful.

Fewer. People are going to text and drive. I'd rather they dictated to a small screen than typed on a big one. (Technically, it might even be legal this way, depending on the state.)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Exflyboy on April 15, 2015, 03:26:49 PM
buy apple stock instead!

+1

I am a HUGE Apple fan. I have been working on Macintosh computers my entire career, 25+ years! BUT I REFUSE to fall into the trap of needing the latest toy. I BOUGHT STOCK, during the depths of the recession, best APPLE buy ever. I have an iPad 2 (gift) and an OLD iPod (gift) and a brand new Mac Pro desktop, top of the line which makes me money! I refuse to get an iPhone, I have a $5 flip phone I barely use.

I suggest you wait 6 months and get a used one if you absolutely must.


Oh man don't get me going... When I used to be into buying individual stocks I bought $100,000 of Apple stock (depths of recession also) at $88.. it has now split 7: 1 and.. well you know the rest .. Of course I sold it when it made me 20%.. Damn!!!
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: obstinate on April 18, 2015, 11:22:15 PM
You can't just wait a couple months and buy one used on CL?

Honestly, I have a LG G Watch. I vouch for the form factor, but it's not so useful that I'd pay retail for it. It's a luxury among luxuries, plain and simple
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on April 18, 2015, 11:55:20 PM
Did your G watch show up free in December? :)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: obstinate on April 19, 2015, 12:19:45 AM
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Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: larmando on April 19, 2015, 01:33:28 AM
This speaks to me. The reality is that I already own AAPL stock and my funding for the watch comes from an app that I sell on the App Store. So my justification for this little purchase is that it's completely paid for by all those iPhone owners who buy my app, the proceeds I then use to buy AAPL, and in the last two months alone the capital appreciation on my investment pays for several of the watches.

Fake, and wrong, justification. Money is fungible, it doesn't matter where it came from. The question you have to ask yourself is "is this the best use for my X$" rather than "I have X$ that I am allow to spend 'because it came from X'". Otherwise you fall into the trap of "just spending bonus", "just spending inheritance", "it was a windfall anyway".

If you think for your future happiness this is the best way to use your money do it. But don't justify it from where your money came from.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on April 19, 2015, 03:49:44 AM
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Even on the internet it's still a useful signal...

They must have sold dozens of them retail!
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: arebelspy on April 19, 2015, 03:52:06 AM
Is that the emoji version of the bob w avatar?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on April 19, 2015, 03:53:20 AM
I think it's just cool shades.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Bob W on April 20, 2015, 01:10:30 PM
Indexer, AH013 and Zoltani --- Great posts on this thread!


For some reason I have it in my head that Apple and Mustachians are mutually exclusive? 

Pretty sure that unless you have in excess of 500K liquid that you would need to turn in your membership badge if you buy and Apple watch.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on April 20, 2015, 03:13:41 PM
For some reason I have it in my head that Apple and Mustachians are mutually exclusive? 

Just the watch, or all Apple hardware?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: sol on April 20, 2015, 03:18:11 PM
Just the watch, or all Apple hardware?

Not just Apple hardware, all electronics.  Also toilet paper. 

Bob W is the official enforcer of the MMM forum police, he'll revoke your login credentials if he thinks your spending isn't in line with the holy texts.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: jmusic on April 20, 2015, 08:53:02 PM
What is the deal with people thinking that their spending is shrewd simply because the value of the item is less than their current net worth (i.e. they "have the money")? I saw this in the wedding thread too, and elsewhere. The thinking seems to be that if you can "pay cash", it's suddenly a smarter purchase than if you pay using credit. In reality, whether paying in credit is smart is totally independent of what you are buying and has to do with the terms of the credit agreement. Paying in cash doesn't make a purchase smarter.

Once you've been frugal for some short period of time (say, a few months), you will have enough cash on hand that you can buy almost anything in cash, other than real estate. That doesn't suddenly mean it's smart to start buying tons of shit.

I'm not saying the Apple Watch is shit. I wouldn't buy it personally, but different people have different preferences. However, whether you decide to buy it shouldn't be determined by whether you have "got the money". Anybody who's been frugal for a week has got the money. That is irrelevant to anything.

At the very early stage of saving, when you are just starting out from nothing, then the amount of money you have on hand might be an input into what you buy. However, it will very, very quickly get to the point where you have far more money on hand than the price of anything (other than real estate), and using the amount of money on hand to decide whether to buy something no longer makes any sense.

No one else responded to this but...

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Also, I'd include real estate.  Plenty of houses for $10K or so in Detroit. :)

Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Chuck on April 20, 2015, 09:23:12 PM
Well to be honest, nearly all consumer electronics beyond a laptop and a cell phone (both off brand) are counter to mmm.

Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: mrpercentage on April 21, 2015, 04:27:52 AM
Someone stop me! I've been reading about the Apple Watch for months, talking myself into it completely. At this point, it's just a matter of how much I'm going to shell out for it--

LOL... yep, the commercial did me in.. why oh why do I have cable? I opted out of a Mac Pro for a Mini.. put off and iPad because I have an iPhone.. but my birthday is coming and my Verizon contract is up so its a 64gig iPhone six and an Apple Watch coming this way. Im fighting it.. but the gravity of my entire iTunes on my phone with several hours of video storage for filming with a watch that keeps my butt moving is pulling on me like Gargantua. Im screwed.

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Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: cerebus on April 21, 2015, 06:55:59 AM
Well to be honest, nearly all consumer electronics beyond a laptop and a cell phone (both off brand) are counter to mmm.

That's not true and I can quote chapter and verse.


Anyway, my advice on the Watch - if you have to have it, just don't be a sucka consumer. At least wait a generation or till the thing hits at a nice discount on Craigslist. I never pay new prices for electronics, that's just stupid. Actually I never end up paying anything for electronics because I know how to wrangle it, and we have a house full of the stuff.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: AH013 on April 21, 2015, 11:22:28 AM
LOLing at the craigslist posts around me that are offering Apple Watches for 2x the retail price, simply because you can have it in 3 days instead of waiting for the backlog to clear.  I've no doubt there are enough suckers who'll pay the $400 premium on a $400 watch simply because they have to have it on release day and didn't want to set an alarm for 3am to pre-order it in time.

Jobs 4:24
And the prophet Genius opened his doors and decreed to the masses. All ye sheep, flock to your master, the holy bitten piece of red fruit.  The One commands it.  You will feel his wrath and scorn if you do not adorn yourself in all of his bountiful offerings.  For thine wrists be barren and of no use without the knowledge of your heart rate.  Let us bless those who embrace his offering first, for they are the chosen.  Let us cast out the non-believers, for they are the unwashed.  And let us shame those who transgress by trying to use outdated versions of the One's creations.  In his name, cha-ching.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: cerebus on April 21, 2015, 12:05:01 PM
LOLing at the craigslist posts around me that are offering Apple Watches for 2x the retail price, simply because you can have it in 3 days instead of waiting for the backlog to clear.  I've no doubt there are enough suckers who'll pay the $400 premium on a $400 watch simply because they have to have it on release day and didn't want to set an alarm for 3am to pre-order it in time.


Reminds me of a joke.  How do you milk a sheep?




http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/9/8177087/macbook-port-adapter-accessory
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Bob W on April 21, 2015, 01:50:51 PM
LOLing at the craigslist posts around me that are offering Apple Watches for 2x the retail price, simply because you can have it in 3 days instead of waiting for the backlog to clear.  I've no doubt there are enough suckers who'll pay the $400 premium on a $400 watch simply because they have to have it on release day and didn't want to set an alarm for 3am to pre-order it in time.

Jobs 4:24
And the prophet Genius opened his doors and decreed to the masses. All ye sheep, flock to your master, the holy bitten piece of red fruit.  The One commands it.  You will feel his wrath and scorn if you do not adorn yourself in all of his bountiful offerings.  For thine wrists be barren and of no use without the knowledge of your heart rate.  Let us bless those who embrace his offering first, for they are the chosen.  Let us cast out the non-believers, for they are the unwashed.  And let us shame those who transgress by trying to use outdated versions of the One's creations.  In his name, cha-ching.

Freaking hilarious!   

But let's be real -- Samsung's watches were not embraced for a reason.   

And by the way,   when you think everyone asking you about your Apple watch is envious,  what they are really thinking is what a DB.   

OP please write us back after you've owned the watch for 6 months and report how it really enjoys it's little nest in your sock drawer.   

*Disclaimer -  (my wife bought a Fit Bit 6 weeks ago and I laughed at the time and told her she would never use it.   I now see it set unused on her jewelry box but don't have the inclination to say "I told you so.")
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: zephyr911 on April 21, 2015, 02:01:50 PM
Reminds me of a joke.  How do you milk a sheep?
Do tell...
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: sol on April 21, 2015, 02:11:33 PM
Reminds me of a joke.  How do you milk a sheep?
Do tell...

The punch line was the attached link.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: zephyr911 on April 21, 2015, 02:27:19 PM
The punch line was the attached link.
Ah. I actually read that, too.
I hate to be an Apple hater (I was raised on their stuff, and own some shares) but who the fuck is dumb enough to fall for this shameless exploitation?
Between EE school and developing financial sense, I went from enthusiastically supporting Apple as a consumer to completely rejecting them because of stuff like that. They invent reasons to change for change's sake, nothing is backward-compatible, and profit margins on inexpensive accessories are in the thousands of percents. It's horribly inelegant from a technical view, and reprehensible from a customer value standpoint.
It works for shareholders though... good lord does it ever work, which is why I keep the stock.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Bob W on April 21, 2015, 02:49:25 PM
The punch line was the attached link.
Ah. I actually read that, too.
I hate to be an Apple hater (I was raised on their stuff, and own some shares) but who the fuck is dumb enough to fall for this shameless exploitation?
Between EE school and developing financial sense, I went from enthusiastically supporting Apple as a consumer to completely rejecting them because of stuff like that. They invent reasons to change for change's sake, nothing is backward-compatible, and profit margins on inexpensive accessories are in the thousands of percents. It's horribly inelegant from a technical view, and reprehensible from a customer value standpoint.
It works for shareholders though... good lord does it ever work, which is why I keep the stock.

Don't forget to sell before the milk goes dry.      It appears this one is well past it's prime.   
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: mrpercentage on April 21, 2015, 07:58:43 PM
I paid $200 in 1999 for a polar watch that had a chest band to monitor my heart rate. Then I couldn't cheat when running. I had to up the pace even when I didn't feel like it and I had to slow down when I was getting carried away. My progress went through the roof.

Im not saying it is Mustachian.. its not, but I don't think the price tag is unreasonable. If the heart rate monitor is really accurate its almost worth that alone with no chest strap needed. I will still resist the watch as long as I can-- if for no other reason than it is 1.0. But I am a customer for life on their phones. They would have to do something really dumb to lose me. All they have to do is make bigger hard drives, faster chips, and stay high end on accessories. I will upgrade every contract.

I still remember the first time someone told me they have virus software for their phone. I didn't say it but I thought they were stupid. For what? Most likely pirated software  of some sort. Just pay for the stuff people. Free in software/music/movies is the most expensive.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Chuck on April 21, 2015, 08:46:35 PM
The punch line was the attached link.
Ah. I actually read that, too.
I hate to be an Apple hater (I was raised on their stuff, and own some shares) but who the fuck is dumb enough to fall for this shameless exploitation?
Between EE school and developing financial sense, I went from enthusiastically supporting Apple as a consumer to completely rejecting them because of stuff like that. They invent reasons to change for change's sake, nothing is backward-compatible, and profit margins on inexpensive accessories are in the thousands of percents. It's horribly inelegant from a technical view, and reprehensible from a customer value standpoint.
It works for shareholders though... good lord does it ever work, which is why I keep the stock.

Don't forget to sell before the milk goes dry.      It appears this one is well past it's prime.
Past it's prime? Have you heard of the iPhone 6? Do you know which company holds the world record for most profit generated in a single quarter? Do you know when that record was set?

Seriously. Guess which company. Guess when the record was set.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Bob W on April 21, 2015, 09:17:16 PM
The punch line was the attached link.
Ah. I actually read that, too.
I hate to be an Apple hater (I was raised on their stuff, and own some shares) but who the fuck is dumb enough to fall for this shameless exploitation?
Between EE school and developing financial sense, I went from enthusiastically supporting Apple as a consumer to completely rejecting them because of stuff like that. They invent reasons to change for change's sake, nothing is backward-compatible, and profit margins on inexpensive accessories are in the thousands of percents. It's horribly inelegant from a technical view, and reprehensible from a customer value standpoint.
It works for shareholders though... good lord does it ever work, which is why I keep the stock.

Don't forget to sell before the milk goes dry.      It appears this one is well past it's prime.
Past it's prime? Have you heard of the iPhone 6? Do you know which company holds the world record for most profit generated in a single quarter? Do you know when that record was set?

Seriously. Guess which company. Guess when the record was set.
I give up?   Erickson,  Motorola,  Nokia,  BlackBerry?     I'm pretty sure they were all at their prime as number one cell phone sellers 15 seconds before they weren't.     Yeah,  I know,  its different this time.   Enjoy the run while it lasts.  Hell even Bic lighters still sell at a premium.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: dragoncar on April 21, 2015, 09:32:18 PM
I'd rather have a quad copter drone
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: sol on April 21, 2015, 11:32:56 PM
I'd rather have a quad copter drone

I'd rather have $350.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: cerebus on April 21, 2015, 11:55:24 PM
Truthfully, we pretty much only own Apple devices apart from the TV. Two iPhones (5c and 5s) and an iPad Mini2. But like I say, I made it work so it didn't cost us anything except my wife's R300 5c contract which I got pre-mustachian days and now I'm just ticking down the days till her contract expires and I'll drop her down to the lowest price plan and just sell her upgrade and use that to get her a 5s. Staying consistently 1gen behind on Apple products is a quite effective strategy because you can find real bargains on the forums.

I cannot find a good reason to justify owning an Apple Watch though. For me there's some real utility in everything I own and the Watch doesn't have anything that my life needs in order to be more productive and simple. If anything it would just add another layer of digital irritation to my life and I can do without that.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: dragoncar on April 22, 2015, 06:30:01 AM
I'd rather have a quad copter drone

I'd rather have $350.

You can fondle the $350, but it will not respond. 
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: GoingConcern on April 22, 2015, 07:04:14 AM
Indexer, AH013 and Zoltani --- Great posts on this thread!


For some reason I have it in my head that Apple and Mustachians are mutually exclusive? 

Pretty sure that unless you have in excess of 500K liquid that you would need to turn in your membership badge if you buy and Apple watch.

Not necessarily.  I like my electronics but I buy them used after they have depreciated 20-50% then resell them at a slight loss.  Last year I bought an iPhone 5 with a cracked screen for under $250.  Fixed it up cheap (maybe $20-$30) and then resold it for around $300 late 2014. 

I have a decent amount of Apple products.  Used Macbook Air from 2011 that I still used to this day, iPad 4 that made cutting my cable much easier via Slingplayer, Macmini for my wife to use as her main desktop and my wife has an iPhone 4s that she still uses to this day.  Sure could I have saved more money by buying non-Apple products used?  Probably, but most of my Apple products have lasted a while and they have good resale value.  It is one of my vices I know. 

As for the OP, I wouldn't buy the watch.  Not too many uses for it and if it ever takes off big it will probably take a few generations to do so. 
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Scandium on April 22, 2015, 07:39:09 AM
LOLing at the craigslist posts around me that are offering Apple Watches for 2x the retail price, simply because you can have it in 3 days instead of waiting for the backlog to clear.  I've no doubt there are enough suckers who'll pay the $400 premium on a $400 watch simply because they have to have it on release day and didn't want to set an alarm for 3am to pre-order it in time.


Reminds me of a joke.  How do you milk a sheep?

http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/9/8177087/macbook-port-adapter-accessory

That is so gross! $80 to get basic ports on your $1,300 computer! And let's hope you don't have to plug into an old projector your you'll two of those (I do think VGA should die). It's too much to put an extra USB port on it, really?

The worst is that's is purely for looks in the store. I bet most people with these PCs will have dongles and wires hanging off it to connect their stuff. So they removed ports for no other reason than so it would look nice in marketing pictures? This must be the purest case of form over function
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: dragoncar on April 22, 2015, 08:06:21 AM
LOLing at the craigslist posts around me that are offering Apple Watches for 2x the retail price, simply because you can have it in 3 days instead of waiting for the backlog to clear.  I've no doubt there are enough suckers who'll pay the $400 premium on a $400 watch simply because they have to have it on release day and didn't want to set an alarm for 3am to pre-order it in time.


Reminds me of a joke.  How do you milk a sheep?

http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/9/8177087/macbook-port-adapter-accessory

That is so gross! $80 to get basic ports on your $1,300 computer! And let's hope you don't have to plug into an old projector your you'll two of those (I do think VGA should die). It's too much to put an extra USB port on it, really?

The worst is that's is purely for looks in the store. I bet most people with these PCs will have dongles and wires hanging off it to connect their stuff. So they removed ports for no other reason than so it would look nice in marketing pictures? This must be the purest case of form over function

This actually convinced me not to get a new MacBook.  My old Lenovo is finally starting to get intermittent processing errors (haven't determined if it can be fixed by replacing RAM, or a processor/cache issue) and I expect it to bite the dust sooner rather than later.  But it just pisses me off so much that they don't include this dongle that they know everyone will need, and which will cost them $.50 to produce, that I won't buy it.  Maybe once the chinese knockoffs come out.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: cerebus on April 22, 2015, 08:34:26 AM
This actually convinced me not to get a new MacBook.
That plus the incredibly poor value for money it represents? Honestly, I can't imagine how a $1300 laptop with a Core M processor can be anywhere close to Mustachian. It seems like purely a luxury item to me. I have to admit I also crave it with that super thin and light design and the haptic trackpad...mmmmmm. But on a rational level it makes so little sense that I just laugh at my own inner homoncumer (portmanteau of homonculus + consumer = awesome).
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: dragoncar on April 22, 2015, 08:54:43 AM
This actually convinced me not to get a new MacBook.
That plus the incredibly poor value for money it represents? Honestly, I can't imagine how a $1300 laptop with a Core M processor can be anywhere close to Mustachian. It seems like purely a luxury item to me. I have to admit I also crave it with that super thin and light design and the haptic trackpad...mmmmmm. But on a rational level it makes so little sense that I just laugh at my own inner homoncumer (portmanteau of homonculus + consumer = awesome).

If all you need is Core M with retina, it's actually a very good value.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on April 22, 2015, 10:36:08 AM
The unibody Apple laptops also take insane abuse compared to many cheap laptops. To get a PC laptop with as strong an internal structure costs about the same. And strength is what determines how a laptop handles being hauled around, in my experience.

I've made very good side money fixing random issues with PC laptop hardware for people. Power jacks, fans, etc. I almost never see an issue with a Mac.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: gimp on April 22, 2015, 12:39:12 PM
When Intel pushed ultrabooks, everyone assumed it'd be easy - after all, all ya gotta do is undercut the apple tax, right?

Turned out that it took years for anyone to approach reasonably similar quality for a reasonably similar cost, by which point the ultrabook thing had sailed. Oops. I guess it's harder than it looks to make the unibody, and the rest of it.

Bob, since you've been so bold as to make a prediction, could you help us out by giving us a timeframe?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on April 22, 2015, 12:54:37 PM
I forgot about that! Yeah, even with millions of dollars from Intel, nobody could come close to the Air for years.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: GoingConcern on April 22, 2015, 03:15:05 PM
The unibody Apple laptops also take insane abuse compared to many cheap laptops. To get a PC laptop with as strong an internal structure costs about the same. And strength is what determines how a laptop handles being hauled around, in my experience.

I've made very good side money fixing random issues with PC laptop hardware for people. Power jacks, fans, etc. I almost never see an issue with a Mac.

I have a 2011 Macbook Air and I have used it for school and work and have traveled all over the United States with it and it and it's still going strong.  The only thing I have replaced is the battery which was an easy and cheap fix and tbh I didn't even have to change it because it still held a decent charge.  Also got a new power adapter on ebay but again it was a cheap fix. 

Before my Mac, I have had 4-5 labtops that have all failed on me.  They lasted around a year or two before something gave out. 
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on April 22, 2015, 04:22:23 PM
Before my Mac, I have had 4-5 labtops that have all failed on me.  They lasted around a year or two before something gave out.

That's pretty consistent with my experience in fixing other people's hardware.  The areas on cheap PC laptops that usually fail:
- Power connector.  This is very, very common.  Someone puts together a high power consumption machine with a cheap crappy power jack that melts the solder out where the center pin interfaces with the board.  I suspect the usual initial cause is a crack caused by repeated jarring of the power pin that just gets worse until it fails to charge entirely.  Not a bad repair, assuming you have the skills to fully dismantle a laptop, resolder the power jack, and reassemble it properly (which is beyond the tech skills of most people).  I've obtained a number of "broken laptops" with something going on power-jack wise.  Apple, since the Macbook era, has used the various magsafe connectors that are utterly indestructible.  The chassis is a structural part of the plug, and they don't transmit force to the laptop because they just pop free.  Brilliant.
- Mainboard flex related issues.  This is often just a total failure of the laptop, or it gets unreliable, or some number of weird things.  It may happen if you flex the laptop initially, then proceed to total failure.  This is usually because on a cheap laptop, the mainboard is a stressed member and takes chassis loads.  PCB does NOT like to flex.  Throw a cheap PCB as a structural member of a flexible 17" laptop, and you have an impending failure.  Apple has always built stiff laptops, and the unibody ones are utterly insane.  They don't bend at all.  The PCB never takes any stress.  You can get a PC laptop with a rigid internal structure that performs similarly, but they're typically business-class laptops and cost almost as much as Apple hardware.
- Memory (RAM) going bad.  This is, in theory, a problem for everyone, but I've seen it a lot more frequently on PCs.  It's almost like if you are building a cheap laptop, you throw in cheap memory...

There are some problems that affect both PC and Apple hardware (the nVidia 8600m chip failures were a plague across the board), but mostly, Apple stuff just keeps working reliably.  The hardware is expensive, but the quality is there to justify the cost. 
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Chuck on April 22, 2015, 09:06:17 PM
The punch line was the attached link.
Ah. I actually read that, too.
I hate to be an Apple hater (I was raised on their stuff, and own some shares) but who the fuck is dumb enough to fall for this shameless exploitation?
Between EE school and developing financial sense, I went from enthusiastically supporting Apple as a consumer to completely rejecting them because of stuff like that. They invent reasons to change for change's sake, nothing is backward-compatible, and profit margins on inexpensive accessories are in the thousands of percents. It's horribly inelegant from a technical view, and reprehensible from a customer value standpoint.
It works for shareholders though... good lord does it ever work, which is why I keep the stock.

Don't forget to sell before the milk goes dry.      It appears this one is well past it's prime.
Past it's prime? Have you heard of the iPhone 6? Do you know which company holds the world record for most profit generated in a single quarter? Do you know when that record was set?

Seriously. Guess which company. Guess when the record was set.
I give up?   Erickson,  Motorola,  Nokia,  BlackBerry?     I'm pretty sure they were all at their prime as number one cell phone sellers 15 seconds before they weren't.     Yeah,  I know,  its different this time.   Enjoy the run while it lasts.  Hell even Bic lighters still sell at a premium.
It was Apple. They set the world record for most profit in a quarter, of any company in the history of ever. About five minutes ago.

Regardless of if you think the products are a value proposition (they aren't) you should not doubt the strength of the company.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: obstinate on April 23, 2015, 12:29:31 AM
If all you need is Core M with retina, it's actually a very good value.
But since nobody actually needs that, it ain't. There are plenty of Core M devices that are cheaper and as reliable. Maybe none quite so pretty, but eh.

Personally I don't care to bang on Apple products. If you buy them a generation or two back, they can be quite good. iPhone is clearly, in my book, the best phone on the market. I find iPhones two or three generations back to feel just as snappy as the brand new Nexus-line Android I have in my pocket.

Just . . . be reasonable about it. If you're going to get an updated computer every three years, you owe it to your future self to buy used.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: dragoncar on April 23, 2015, 07:17:27 AM
If all you need is Core M with retina, it's actually a very good value.
But since nobody actually needs that, it ain't. There are plenty of Core M devices that are cheaper and as reliable. Maybe none quite so pretty, but eh.

Personally I don't care to bang on Apple products. If you buy them a generation or two back, they can be quite good. iPhone is clearly, in my book, the best phone on the market. I find iPhones two or three generations back to feel just as snappy as the brand new Nexus-line Android I have in my pocket.

Just . . . be reasonable about it. If you're going to get an updated computer every three years, you owe it to your future self to buy used.

At this point, I do... productivity is tied to usable screen area, which is tied to resolution.  Also, I haven't bought a computer (new or used) in 10 years so I think I have a pretty good track record in picking winners (for myself).
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: thd7t on April 23, 2015, 07:33:02 AM
The punch line was the attached link.
Ah. I actually read that, too.
I hate to be an Apple hater (I was raised on their stuff, and own some shares) but who the fuck is dumb enough to fall for this shameless exploitation?
Between EE school and developing financial sense, I went from enthusiastically supporting Apple as a consumer to completely rejecting them because of stuff like that. They invent reasons to change for change's sake, nothing is backward-compatible, and profit margins on inexpensive accessories are in the thousands of percents. It's horribly inelegant from a technical view, and reprehensible from a customer value standpoint.
It works for shareholders though... good lord does it ever work, which is why I keep the stock.

Don't forget to sell before the milk goes dry.      It appears this one is well past it's prime.
Past it's prime? Have you heard of the iPhone 6? Do you know which company holds the world record for most profit generated in a single quarter? Do you know when that record was set?

Seriously. Guess which company. Guess when the record was set.
I give up?   Erickson,  Motorola,  Nokia,  BlackBerry?     I'm pretty sure they were all at their prime as number one cell phone sellers 15 seconds before they weren't.     Yeah,  I know,  its different this time.   Enjoy the run while it lasts.  Hell even Bic lighters still sell at a premium.
It was Apple. They set the world record for most profit in a quarter, of any company in the history of ever. About five minutes ago.

Regardless of if you think the products are a value proposition (they aren't) you should not doubt the strength of the company.
Not to give you too hard a time, but you missed the point, here.  The best example (from Bob W's list) is probably Blackberry.  In the early to mid 2000's, they dominated the business mobile phone market so completely that people thought that the iphone was just going to be a consumer model.  Apple was already a strong company, but people could not (and cannot) see the utility of a product that hadn't been fully introduced and vetted.  The iphone completely usurped the Blackberry, pretty much destroying the company.  No one is saying that this will definitely happen with Apple.  We're just saying that we cannot imagine uses for products that are just over the horizon.  Those are the products that could dismantle any company's dominance.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: zephyr911 on April 23, 2015, 07:42:17 AM
Don't forget to sell before the milk goes dry.      It appears this one is well past it's prime.
I'm not much for market timing, but I had considered taking the profit and rolling it into a broad ETF or one of my dividend picks. Still pondering.

That is so gross! $80 to get basic ports on your $1,300 computer! And let's hope you don't have to plug into an old projector your you'll two of those (I do think VGA should die). It's too much to put an extra USB port on it, really?

The worst is that's is purely for looks in the store. I bet most people with these PCs will have dongles and wires hanging off it to connect their stuff. So they removed ports for no other reason than so it would look nice in marketing pictures? This must be the purest case of form over function

Yeah, that summarizes my objections as a consumer. The only question is how long I continue to back the business model as a shareholder.
If the MacBook really is $1300 worth of hardware, as asserted here, and if that's generally true of their products, then most of that record profit is in the "bullshit dongle" market - and I question my hold on the stock even more. Even if they can keep making that business model work, I'm one of those weirdos that prefers to hold things that not only make money but make me feel good about being a shareholder. (ex: HASI, PEGI)
This model is more like the automakers' - get you in the door with an attractive base price, lock you into the product and make most profit in follow-on expenses. More power to 'em, but I can't get excited about owning shares.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: cerebus on April 23, 2015, 07:49:24 AM

Yeah, that summarizes my objections as a consumer. The only question is how long I continue to back the business model as a shareholder.
If the MacBook really is $1300 worth of hardware, as asserted here, and if that's generally true of their products, then most of that record profit is in the "bullshit dongle" market - and I question my hold on the stock even more. Even if they can keep making that business model work, I'm one of those weirdos that prefers to hold things that not only make money but make me feel good about being a shareholder. (ex: HASI, PEGI)
This model is more like the automakers' - get you in the door with an attractive base price, lock you into the product and make most profit in follow-on expenses. More power to 'em, but I can't get excited about owning shares.

That's kind of overlooking the fact that the Macbook 2015 itself is a very innovative laptop and it's being launched alongside another brand new product line - the Watch. The profits they're making on dongles are really miniscule next to these big ticket 'real' items, which are selling gangbusters. Really all this penny-ante stuff does is cost them goodwill, but I doubt it significantly damages their marketshare or reflects on some foreboding inability to innovate. And, in fairness, the quality of the dongles is much higher than most of the 3rd party components you'll get. Even the basic Lightning cable is a very well made cable next to the average micro-usb.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: zephyr911 on April 23, 2015, 07:59:07 AM
That's kind of overlooking the fact that the Macbook 2015 itself is a very innovative laptop and it's being launched alongside another brand new product line - the Watch. The profits they're making on dongles are really miniscule next to these big ticket 'real' items, which are selling gangbusters. Really all this penny-ante stuff does is cost them goodwill, but I doubt it significantly damages their marketshare or reflects on some foreboding inability to innovate. And, in fairness, the quality of the dongles is much higher than most of the 3rd party components you'll get. Even the basic Lightning cable is a very well made cable next to the average micro-usb.
That sounds convincing, and just FTR, I'm not so much jumping to conclusions (I forgot my mat) as asking questions and musing upon the logical implications of various assertions. Also, because I'm easily amused, and not because I actually decided this was the case, I made this graphic to stimulate further discussion.
(Comic Sans, because I wanted to make absolutely sure nobody took it seriously)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: arebelspy on April 23, 2015, 08:08:45 AM
You guys are missing the bigger picture. Apple isn't making its money off the dongles, and it understands that people are not happy with them, but it's using them to push the tech forward. The new port is amazing, and while I wish they had a USB port alongside it, Apple has done things like this in the past to move the state of the game forward, and I actually appreciate that, as much as dongles suck.

To think that they are doing it to make an extra few bucks on an adapter is ludicrous.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: thd7t on April 23, 2015, 08:20:44 AM
You guys are missing the bigger picture. Apple isn't making its money off the dongles, and it understands that people are not happy with them, but it's using them to push the tech forward. The new port is amazing, and while I wish they had a USB port alongside it, Apple has done things like this in the past to move the state of the game forward, and I actually appreciate that, as much as dongles suck.

To think that they are doing it to make an extra few bucks on an adapter is ludicrous.
I agree that Apple is doing this to make "the big leap", but it doesn't mean that this makes the product good, today.  It makes the MacBook more like first generation tech.  Yes, most of it is built on established principles, but this form factor is more a prediction of how things will work than the best way for the product to work today.  (This has worked for Apple before, particularly in removing optical storage from its laptops)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: arebelspy on April 23, 2015, 08:33:33 AM
Yes, that's fine, and I'm fine if you aren't an early adopter and want to wait a generation or two for the tech to catch up, so you have a flash drive that uses the new port, so you have other accessories, so you don't need a dongle.

That's all well and good. When the discussion turns ridiculous about how they're making all their money off of these dongles and that's why they exist, it seemed relevant actually point out the truth. :)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: zephyr911 on April 23, 2015, 08:54:39 AM
You guys are missing the bigger picture. Apple isn't making its money off the dongles, and it understands that people are not happy with them, but it's using them to push the tech forward. The new port is amazing, and while I wish they had a USB port alongside it, Apple has done things like this in the past to move the state of the game forward, and I actually appreciate that, as much as dongles suck.

To think that they are doing it to make an extra few bucks on an adapter is ludicrous.
I wouldn't exactly say I've been missing it, Bob... *laugh track*
Seriously though, I know this is getting a bit foamy but that big picture really is what I've been looking for. And FTR, I'd still find it repugnant as a consumer if I could confirm that the markup on proprietary dongles is as high as I think it is - regardless of the actual percentage of total profit that it might represent. I don't deny that they innovate like crazy, I just object to their willful non-participation in developing open standards, which truly benefit the whole market even more than great individual advances.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: dragoncar on April 23, 2015, 09:18:08 AM
Yes, that's fine, and I'm fine if you aren't an early adopter and want to wait a generation or two for the tech to catch up, so you have a flash drive that uses the new port, so you have other accessories, so you don't need a dongle.

That's all well and good. When the discussion turns ridiculous about how they're making all their money off of these dongles and that's why they exist, it seemed relevant actually point out the truth. :)

They're making all their money pushing tech to the bleeding edge, such as when they added "auto save," "document handling," "media device support," and "full screen" to OSX in 2011

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/06/stevejobswwdc2011liveblogkeynote0535.jpg)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: gimp on April 23, 2015, 02:08:18 PM
... I just object to their willful non-participation in developing open standards, which truly benefit the whole market even more than great individual advances.

Like USB 3.1 (USB C), which is an open standard that they helped develop (along with intel et al), which (apart from the headphone jack) is literally the only port on the new macbook?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: zephyr911 on April 23, 2015, 02:21:52 PM
... I just object to their willful non-participation in developing open standards, which truly benefit the whole market even more than great individual advances.

Like USB 3.1 (USB C), which is an open standard that they helped develop (along with intel et al), which (apart from the headphone jack) is literally the only port on the new macbook?
It's an interesting exception. ;)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: obstinate on April 23, 2015, 07:03:02 PM
At this point, I do... productivity is tied to usable screen area, which is tied to resolution.  Also, I haven't bought a computer (new or used) in 10 years so I think I have a pretty good track record in picking winners (for myself).
I'm sorry, but I work on computers all day, and if you genuinely need screen space and resolution, you need a standalone monitor, and the laptop you plug into it is more or less irrelevant. The idea that a macbook is the most price efficient way to accomplish what you're describing is just ridiculous.

Again, I think they're great products, but this ain't no design review forum.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: dragoncar on April 23, 2015, 07:13:35 PM
At this point, I do... productivity is tied to usable screen area, which is tied to resolution.  Also, I haven't bought a computer (new or used) in 10 years so I think I have a pretty good track record in picking winners (for myself).
I'm sorry, but I work on computers all day, and if you genuinely need screen space and resolution, you need a standalone monitor, and the laptop you plug into it is more or less irrelevant. The idea that a macbook is the most price efficient way to accomplish what you're describing is just ridiculous.

Again, I think they're great products, but this ain't no design review forum.

Yeah, the TSA will love me lugging around my standalone monitor.  I'll also tell my clients not to worry about my tattered jeans and t-shirt with holes, because I'm just a lawyer not some kind of fashion designer.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: obstinate on April 24, 2015, 01:44:41 AM
Ah, so you need it as a status symbol. That clears things up immensely. Yep, go ahead and buy a MacBook.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on April 24, 2015, 03:44:39 AM
... Or he reviews legal documents and being able to fit several side by side helps with what he's doing?

The irrational hate for Apple because it's Apple is really absurd.

High resolution Windows laptops aren't cheap either, but at least OSX does something useful with the pixels.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: sol on April 24, 2015, 10:37:15 AM
For all of you considering buying an Apple watch (or anything else for that matter), I propose a new evaluation metric for helping you make such decisions:

How much would I have to pay you to NOT buy it?

Would you commit to not buying the Apple watch for the rest of the day if I offered you $100 in cash?  Are you so keen to have it that you would turn down hard cash to get your grubby little hands on it immediately?

What if I offered you $200?  You can still go get one tomorrow, but would you accept $200 of my money to not buy it today?

What if I offered you $349?

Because that's the same logical choice you face today.  Would you rather have $349, or this thing that you can get by giving up$349? I'm putting each one on a plate in front of you and you get to pick.  If you pick the cash, you can change your mind tomorrow.  If you pick the watch, that money is gone forever.

Maybe you have a raging hard on for this thing and you would turn down $18,000 in order to possess it. From that perspective you're going to get one no matter what and only giving up $349 seems like a steal.  I don't judge, as long as you've made the conscious decision that this thing is worth more to you than my cash offer.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Chuck on April 24, 2015, 10:46:07 AM
I've decided to purchase one, after originally saying I was holding out for Gen II. I'll be ordering the aluminium Sport with the rubber wristband, and using it for music and health monitoring while I gym.

I am in a place where I would take the Watch over the 350 on a plate.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: arebelspy on April 24, 2015, 10:50:11 AM
Because that's the same logical choice you face today.  Would you rather have $349, or this thing that you can get by giving up$349? I'm putting each one on a plate in front of you and you get to pick.  If you pick the cash, you can change your mind tomorrow.  If you pick the watch, that money is gone forever.

No, it's not.  If I take your offer, I get $349 today from you, and can buy it without having spent any of my own money on it tomorrow.  If I hold off until tomorrow, I'm still spending my own money.

If you make me that offer every day, and I hold off for a year, I've made $127,385 from you.  But by not buying it myself with my own money for a year, I've saved $349.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: sol on April 24, 2015, 11:01:07 AM
Work with me here rebs.  It's the same $349 back on the plate every day, so every day you make the same decision.

It was meant to illustrate that the decision to not buy today is an easy one.  Tomorrow's decision is equally easy, so by induction every day's decision should be equally easy and you never buy the damn thing.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: arebelspy on April 24, 2015, 11:21:47 AM
Work with me here rebs.  It's the same $349 back on the plate every day, so every day you make the same decision.

So you steal back the $349 after I accept it and re-offer the same funds the next day?  If it's the same funds, accepting it day 1 doesn't get me any further ahead than buying it later does, so I might as well buy it today.

It was meant to illustrate that the decision to not buy today is an easy one.  Tomorrow's decision is equally easy, so by induction every day's decision should be equally easy and you never buy the damn thing.

That's true for everything.  For every item I own I'd hold off owning it for a day to get paid the equivalent of its cost.  I can go one day without a car for several thousand dollars, and then buy it tomorrow.

But if I need to buy it anyways at some point, and I'm not being offered that, I might as well buy now.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: sol on April 24, 2015, 11:34:27 AM
You're a party pooper.  The idea was that giving up $349 extra dollars and losing $349 existing dollars are basically equivalent decisions, for a relatively wealthy person with a flat marginal utility curve.  It's not funny when I have to explain the punchline.

As to your other point, I think we're all going to buy wearable computers someday, so you think I might as well go out and buy the Apple watch today?  I'm not digging that logic either.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: arebelspy on April 24, 2015, 12:32:16 PM
You're a party pooper.  The idea was that giving up $349 extra dollars and losing $349 existing dollars are basically equivalent decisions, for a relatively wealthy person with a flat marginal utility curve.  It's not funny when I have to explain the punchline.

As to your other point, I think we're all going to buy wearable computers someday, so you think I might as well go out and buy the Apple watch today?  I'm not digging that logic either.

Not trying to poop in your punchbowl, just pointing out the limitation of the analogy.

As to the other point, it was more like "if I'm going to buy this item [Apple Watch] tomorrow, and don't anticipate a price drop, I might as well buy it today."  If you aren't going to buy the Apple watch, but some future wearable, okay, wait until that's out.  But for someone taking your hypothetical to get the cash, but will still want to buy it tomorrow, they might as well buy it today, since not spending the $349 just means they'll be spending it tomorrow.  I mean, time value of money and all that, sure, but a day isn't much difference.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: dragoncar on April 24, 2015, 12:49:31 PM
... Or he reviews legal documents and being able to fit several side by side helps with what he's doing?

The irrational hate for Apple because it's Apple is really absurd.

High resolution Windows laptops aren't cheap either, but at least OSX does something useful with the pixels.

Yeah, high resolution Windows laptops are about the same price or more (because they are usually in more powerful machines, which I don't need).  I already told him I need more pixels and he suggested I carry an external monitor with me at all times...

Ah, so you need it as a status symbol. That clears things up immensely. Yep, go ahead and buy a MacBook.

Thank you for your approval.  If you were paying attention, however, you would see that I have no plans to buy a MacBook.  It's just a good value for my needs.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Bjorn on April 29, 2015, 04:08:59 AM
Someone stop me! I've been reading about the Apple Watch for months, talking myself into it completely. At this point, it's just a matter of how much I'm going to shell out for it

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/mans-first-day-of-wearing-apple-watch-to-work-not-going-as-hoped-2015042797777 (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/mans-first-day-of-wearing-apple-watch-to-work-not-going-as-hoped-2015042797777)


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Sales manager Tom Logan’s new Apple Watch has been unexpectedly ridiculed by his work colleagues.
 
32-year-old Logan felt confident that his futuristic timepiece would attract admiring glances rather than unflattering Knight Rider comparisons.
 

 
He said: “I had it all planned out – not saying anything about it, but then somebody just notices and goes ‘is that the new Apple Watch?’. I would respond simply with a wry Clooney-esque smile and they would mouth the word ‘awesome’.
 
“What actually happened is somebody said ‘what the fuck’s that weird-looking thing?’
 
“I explained that it was the brand new Apple Watch and they went ‘HAHAHA’ in a really deliberately hurtful way. The accounts assistant said it was the opposite of a fanny magnet and everyone cracked up.
 
“Then everyone started pretending to talk into their watches, saying things like ‘come in KITT, I am a massive tosser, please help’.”
 
By 10am Logan had removed the watch. He explained: “It wasn’t because people were being sarcastic, I just had a hot wrist, everyone gets a hot wrist sometimes.

Was this you, IndyPendent? :)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: dragoncar on April 29, 2015, 04:11:06 AM
I wish I still had my casio calculator watch right about now
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Syonyk on April 29, 2015, 08:29:15 PM
So, for anyone who actually bought one, how is it?  A magical, revolutionary, life changing experience?

(my LG G watch is currently sitting on the charger... where it's been for a while now - at least I got it as a gift and didn't have to pay for it)
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Chuck on April 29, 2015, 09:03:27 PM
So, for anyone who actually bought one, how is it?  A magical, revolutionary, life changing experience?

(my LG G watch is currently sitting on the charger... where it's been for a while now - at least I got it as a gift and didn't have to pay for it)
A coworker of mine bought it, and he loves it.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: dragoncar on April 29, 2015, 09:12:07 PM
So, for anyone who actually bought one, how is it?  A magical, revolutionary, life changing experience?

(my LG G watch is currently sitting on the charger... where it's been for a while now - at least I got it as a gift and didn't have to pay for it)
A coworker of mine bought it, and he loves it.

How many members of the opposite sex did the watch attract?
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: arebelspy on April 30, 2015, 08:55:22 AM
So, for anyone who actually bought one, how is it?  A magical, revolutionary, life changing experience?

(my LG G watch is currently sitting on the charger... where it's been for a while now - at least I got it as a gift and didn't have to pay for it)
A coworker of mine bought it, and he loves it.

How many members of the opposite sex did the watch attract?

All of them.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: SpicyMcHaggus on May 04, 2015, 02:26:27 PM
Someone stop me! I've been reading about the Apple Watch for months, talking myself into it completely. At this point, it's just a matter of how much I'm going to shell out for it--the relatively lower-priced entry model, the middle tier, or the crazy high-end gold version. And don't get me started on the bands!

This may sound like sarcasm, but I'm serious. I want one, and I have the means. Anyone else relate?

Buy the gold one. Tell your friends you love it. Get them to buy one. I own AAPL stock. I'll send you a thank you note.
Title: Re: Help me, I'm going to buy the Apple Watch!
Post by: Chris22 on June 02, 2017, 07:52:14 AM
That's kind of overlooking the fact that the Macbook 2015 itself is a very innovative laptop and it's being launched alongside another brand new product line - the Watch. The profits they're making on dongles are really miniscule next to these big ticket 'real' items, which are selling gangbusters. Really all this penny-ante stuff does is cost them goodwill, but I doubt it significantly damages their marketshare or reflects on some foreboding inability to innovate. And, in fairness, the quality of the dongles is much higher than most of the 3rd party components you'll get. Even the basic Lightning cable is a very well made cable next to the average micro-usb.
That sounds convincing, and just FTR, I'm not so much jumping to conclusions (I forgot my mat) as asking questions and musing upon the logical implications of various assertions. Also, because I'm easily amused, and not because I actually decided this was the case, I made this graphic to stimulate further discussion.
(Comic Sans, because I wanted to make absolutely sure nobody took it seriously)

I realize this is more than 2 years old at this point, but it misses the giant point that Apple is almost always wildly undercut on accessories by a zillion aftermarket suppliers on price, and therefore volume.  That giant green part needs to go to Belkin, SanDisk, Kensington, etc etc etc, not Apple.  In fact, you can buy those brands through Apple (for apparently little or no markup or the same markup as other retailers).  It's not a profit play for Apple, and if they do make a profit, it's a small part of their business.