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Title: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Eurotexan on August 31, 2016, 08:59:25 PM
Already 3 times this week I have received off the cuff, snobby remarks about the fact that I have an iPhone 5 and not a 6. Just sitting in a meeting today I looked around and everyone has the newest phone. I wear it as a badge of honor. I have not been sucked into material consumerism and will be FIRE before I hit 50. I even bought the phone used.. ha ha!

It's crazy that people care about such meaningless shit so much.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: redbird on August 31, 2016, 10:22:36 PM
Wow. I've been mocked for my old school crappy, non-smart, flip phone. But that makes sense to me. Not many people seem to have non-smart cellphones nowadays.

Mocking people for having an older model smartphone is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: ptobeast on August 31, 2016, 11:47:29 PM
That's pretty rude of people to mock someone else for their choice of phone! I have a 5s (purchased used), and plan to run it into the ground.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Villanelle on September 01, 2016, 12:09:35 AM
Until this July, I had an iPhone 4.  Not 4GS, just 4.  Purchased used.  No one ever mocked me or commented in any way, or even really noticed.  Weird that you've had 3 people in a week.  I don't tune in especially frugal circles at all, but somethings I wonder about the stories posted here because they are often so contrary to my experiences, where no one really talks shit about my crappy car or phone, or my choice to live in a smaller house than nearly everyone with whom I associated, or anything like that.  I must be very lucky or something, I guess.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: UKMustache on September 01, 2016, 12:53:37 AM
I'd mock you for it too, not because it's not the latest model but because that particular model is shite.

Should have bought a cheaper, higher spec'd android phone of the same generation.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: gooki on September 01, 2016, 12:58:04 AM
Some people are just jerks.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: pbkmaine on September 01, 2016, 01:05:15 AM
LOL. I have a 4.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: stylesjl on September 01, 2016, 01:39:23 AM
I don't even have a smart phone. I just have a dumb phone and it's pink and nobody has ever given me shit for it before.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: kina on September 01, 2016, 03:50:30 AM
I have a dumb phone, too. Nice to know I'm in good company!
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: marty998 on September 01, 2016, 04:08:30 AM
Already 3 times this week I have received off the cuff, snobby remarks about the fact that I have an iPhone 5 and not a 6. Just sitting in a meeting today I looked around and everyone has the newest phone. I wear it as a badge of honor. I have not been sucked into material consumerism and will be FIRE before I hit 50. I even bought the phone used.. ha ha!

It's crazy that people care about such meaningless shit so much.

Sorry... but if you have an iPhone (of any variety) I think it means you have been sucked into material consumerism :D

Plenty of other phones out there that do the same things without the sticker price.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: boyerbt on September 01, 2016, 06:18:12 AM
Already 3 times this week I have received off the cuff, snobby remarks about the fact that I have an iPhone 5 and not a 6. Just sitting in a meeting today I looked around and everyone has the newest phone. I wear it as a badge of honor. I have not been sucked into material consumerism and will be FIRE before I hit 50. I even bought the phone used.. ha ha!

It's crazy that people care about such meaningless shit so much.

Sorry... but if you have an iPhone (of any variety) I think it means you have been sucked into material consumerism :D

Plenty of other phones out there that do the same things without the sticker price.

I call BS on this like everyone else. The OP didn't rush out and buy the latest and greatest iPhone just because it was released. It is a used phone that continues to operate as the user needs.

ON ANOTHER NOTE...can anyone shed some light on why Android "fanboys" feel the constant need to mock Apple users as lemmings and the like? I've used both but prefer Apple because as the OP said "IT JUST WORKS" and my Androids did not. Even with this experience I am still enough of an adult to realize that there is no reason for me to make broad generalizations about someone or a group of people just because of the brand of technology that they happen to use. This thread was started to discuss if other mustachians have been mocked for using old technology not praising the all mighty iPhone.

Pipe Down Chachi!

...end rant...
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Eurotexan on September 01, 2016, 06:29:49 AM
Hmm.. wasn't expecting to start such debating!

Just to clarify on the comment that I have given into such crazy consumerism.. I paid $50 for the phone from a friend who was upgrading (now that's crazy consumerism to give up a perfectly good phone just because the latest iPhone has come out but there are plenty of posts on THAT subject on the boards!). I get a phone allowance from work so each month I receive about $25 for having a phone. Pretty frugal if you ask me!

Not interested in Androids as why would I spend money when this cute, sleek like iPhone 5 does the job perfectly for what I need it for.

I agree that 3 comments in a week are crazy but I work with a lot of $30K millionaires who blow money on stupid shit like new iPhones all the time.

I'll look even more frugal later this month when the new iPhone 7 comes out... I wear my 5 with a badge of honor!
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: GuitarStv on September 01, 2016, 06:30:28 AM
Yet another reason not to own a cellphone at all. . .
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: I'm a red panda on September 01, 2016, 06:33:55 AM
I had an Iphone 4 because it was the "free" phone offered with my last contract.  I got rid of it about 6 months ago and now have an Android that cost $60 (with bonus "jawbone" fitness tracker, which we sold for $20).  $60 was the TOTAL price of the phone- to own free and clear.  Husband has had his for more than a year and is still happy with it.

Pretty sure your friends would mock me quite a bit. An Iphone 5 is quite an "upgrade" to me.  I hate the Iphones though. Or maybe just because mine had so little memory. But I love being able to put a card in to get tons of space.


(Hey- it's actually on sale now for $40! https://www.walmart.com/ip/Verizon-HTC-526-Prepaid-Smartphone-w-Bonus-Jawbone/47090199)

The only thing I've noticed about this phone compared to pricier models is that it doesn't have a built in compass. So to use navigation, you have to start moving so it can see the direction you move in.  And if you play Pokemon go you can't use AR because it can't tell the direction you are facing.  This has not negatively affected my life.

Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: ChipmunkSavings on September 01, 2016, 06:49:13 AM
I have an IPhone 4, or maybe 4S. I can't even tell the models apart. With a case, I don't understand how your co-workers can even notice a difference between the different models.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Dancing Fool on September 01, 2016, 06:49:39 AM
Already 3 times this week I have received off the cuff, snobby remarks about the fact that I have an iPhone 5 and not a 6. Just sitting in a meeting today I looked around and everyone has the newest phone. I wear it as a badge of honor. I have not been sucked into material consumerism and will be FIRE before I hit 50. I even bought the phone used.. ha ha!

It's crazy that people care about such meaningless shit so much.

We really need to make #KeepDallasPretentious a thing. I'm a fellow Dallas resident and find it amusing / endearing, but it's a little ridiculous.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Eurotexan on September 01, 2016, 06:50:45 AM
Yet another reason not to own a cellphone at all. . .

You are absolutely right. I am so happy there were no cellphones when I was growing up. I need mine for work but once I'm FIRE... it's gone!
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: zephyr911 on September 01, 2016, 07:38:57 AM
I've dropped my 1-yo Republic Moto G so many times that part of the touch screen is actually missing and it's rather surprising that it even works at this point. Pretty sure if any more of the fragmented pieces fall off, it actually will be unusable. Oddly enough, nobody gives me shit for it, even at work.

Even more ironic, the only friend I've ever had give me shit for keeping a crappy phone too long is by far the brokest mofo around, and I mean far below poverty level.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Frugal D on September 01, 2016, 07:44:36 AM
Mockers gonna mock.

It's ok, though. You can mock them when you FIRE and they still have to work their meaningless jobs so they can continue to buy useless ish that allows them to mock others who don't spend like they do.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: No Name Guy on September 01, 2016, 07:55:48 AM
Well I'm glad I don't have your acquaintance set OP.  If the mock you for an iPhone 5 they would probably beat me for this 6+ year old crackberry I'm typing this post on.  One of these years I will get something newer but as long as its working and the battery life remains adequate I just don't see the need.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Making Cookies on September 01, 2016, 08:08:42 AM
Am going to run my $10 Android into the ground. Am actually thinking about downgrading the next time 'round to no phone at all. There is a fair amount of time I forget to charge it and I just carry it anyhow. It died yesterday and while reading this thread I remembered I did not charge it last night and my charge cord is at home. Not important.

Next time someone makes fun of your budget phone point out that they ought to see your boat/motorcycle/vacation home/etc. Just make something up.

I think most people could get by just fine without a $1000 play pretty (the cost of the phone via contract) with an annual cost of $1000 or more for service. Just seems like a silly expenditure for most folks who do nothing more than play on social media and make calls. Yes SOME folks make good use of the smart phone as a tool.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Dicey on September 01, 2016, 08:12:34 AM
Already 3 times this week I have received off the cuff, snobby remarks about the fact that I have an iPhone 5 and not a 6. Just sitting in a meeting today I looked around and everyone has the newest phone. I wear it as a badge of honor. I have not been sucked into material consumerism and will be FIRE before I hit 50. I even bought the phone used.. ha ha!

It's crazy that people care about such meaningless shit so much.
Look inside yourself, grasshopper. Could this be a case of mocking that which you covet?  It's crazy that you care so much about "such meaningless shit". Reframe the picture. Compliment yourself for your good judgement if you must notice the shiny objects of others. Better still, learn how not to notice.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: mizzourah2006 on September 01, 2016, 08:37:08 AM
haha, I have a 5c and I get made fun of a lot too. Doesn't really bother me. I'm going to run this thing into the ground. I had an SVP come up to us the other day and ask if I had posted on Slack at work. I said I don't have the App, I have limited space for Apps on my 16GB phone, so I have to be choosy. He looked at me like I was crazy. If he wants to buy me an Iphone 6s with 64GBs I'll gladly download and post to Slack, lol.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: I'm a red panda on September 01, 2016, 09:02:32 AM
Yet another reason not to own a cellphone at all. . .

Not owning a cell phone (smartphone, really) isn't an option for many people who are still working.

Of course, my company gives me $45 a month towards my phone bill, and my bill is only $40- so that's nice :)

They would buy me a pretty Iphone 6 and pay the entire bill, but it cannot be used for any personal use at all if you don't BYOD.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Eurotexan on September 01, 2016, 09:12:43 AM
Already 3 times this week I have received off the cuff, snobby remarks about the fact that I have an iPhone 5 and not a 6. Just sitting in a meeting today I looked around and everyone has the newest phone. I wear it as a badge of honor. I have not been sucked into material consumerism and will be FIRE before I hit 50. I even bought the phone used.. ha ha!

It's crazy that people care about such meaningless shit so much.
Look inside yourself, grasshopper. Could this be a case of mocking that which you covet?  It's crazy that you care so much about "such meaningless shit". Reframe the picture. Compliment yourself for your good judgement if you must notice the shiny objects of others. Better still, learn how not to notice.

Do I covert a shiny new iPhone 6? Um.. no. Could I go out and buy one today if I wanted? Absolutely but I have much better uses for my money ie adding to the stash.  You may have missed my point which was the sad state of affairs when people put so much importance on possessions that they notice these things. Maybe this was a better post for 'Share your badassity' ;)
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Chris22 on September 01, 2016, 09:18:31 AM
Already 3 times this week I have received off the cuff, snobby remarks about the fact that I have an iPhone 5 and not a 6. Just sitting in a meeting today I looked around and everyone has the newest phone. I wear it as a badge of honor. I have not been sucked into material consumerism and will be FIRE before I hit 50. I even bought the phone used.. ha ha!

It's crazy that people care about such meaningless shit so much.

I wonder if those two things are related. 
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Lunasol on September 01, 2016, 09:19:37 AM
I have never owned an Iphone, I plan to never own one...
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: TVRodriguez on September 01, 2016, 09:20:05 AM
I have a Samsung Galaxy S4.  Twice this week I've been told that it's time I get a new phone. 

I don't care, though.  I just smile.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Apples on September 01, 2016, 09:21:06 AM
Bahahaha.  I have some kind of Motorola Droid phone, smartphone with touchscreen.  I don't know what it is, and no one else ever knows anyway, so there's no laughing at me.  I've only ever known adults (not: not high schoolers-they notice everything) to know the newest iPhone, not anything else.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Digital Dogma on September 01, 2016, 09:23:46 AM
Already 3 times this week I have received off the cuff, snobby remarks about the fact that I have an iPhone 5 and not a 6. Just sitting in a meeting today I looked around and everyone has the newest phone. I wear it as a badge of honor. I have not been sucked into material consumerism and will be FIRE before I hit 50. I even bought the phone used.. ha ha!

It's crazy that people care about such meaningless shit so much.

Sorry... but if you have an iPhone (of any variety) I think it means you have been sucked into material consumerism :D

Plenty of other phones out there that do the same things without the sticker price.

I call BS on this like everyone else. The OP didn't rush out and buy the latest and greatest iPhone just because it was released. It is a used phone that continues to operate as the user needs.

ON ANOTHER NOTE...can anyone shed some light on why Android "fanboys" feel the constant need to mock Apple users as lemmings and the like? I've used both but prefer Apple because as the OP said "IT JUST WORKS" and my Androids did not. Even with this experience I am still enough of an adult to realize that there is no reason for me to make broad generalizations about someone or a group of people just because of the brand of technology that they happen to use. This thread was started to discuss if other mustachians have been mocked for using old technology not praising the all mighty iPhone.

Pipe Down Chachi!

...end rant...
It used to be that many Android OS phones, especially the flagship Samsung Galaxy phones, were able to be fully disassembled and re-assembled at home. More important than that, you've been able to access things like expandable SD memory ports, and the battery compartment. That means you could purchase an Android phone with limited internal memory cheap, and then add memory to the unit for an affordable price as needed for unlimited storage. Apple however, chose not to allow consumers to upgrade their memory using SD expansion ports, instead they simply forced buyers to either A) Enter the apple "Cloud" ecosystem or B) Pay more money, LOTS more money, for an upgrade thats otherwise cheap on Android phones.

However, aside from the battery/SD access, most modern flagship phones like the Galaxy series can no longer be taken apart at home and re-assembled properly. Samsung has announced they will be starting a used phone refurbishing program to re-sell high end used phones at a discount, so you'll still have a cheaper alternative to a brand new phone, but they're no longer DIY repairable.

My animosity towards apple is their constant push to lock you into their ecosystem, to buy from iTunes and suffer their shitty software updates slowing your PC down 24/7, to use their cloud services and pay more for data every month, or to ditch your cell phone all together because you can't buy a battery replacement for it and it no longer holds a charge. Its their price gouging as a corporate policy under the guise of being "exclusive" when in reality they're simply being strategic about screwing you into a more expensive upgrade/option/service.

I personally own a Samsung Galaxy S4 I purchased 4 or 5 years ago for 200$ during my shitty AT$T contract before switching to Ting. The USB board went bad and I could no longer charge it, so I went on amazon and purchased a 5 dollar USB board replacement and kit, and a 12 dollar OEM battery replacement. I disassembled the phone, pried the back off, removed the old USB board and replaced it with the new one, hooked up all the cables again with tweezers, then re-assembled the phone and installed my new battery. Now it works just like new! All for 17$ worth of parts and a couple minutes of my time to extend the life of my old phone.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Chris22 on September 01, 2016, 09:36:17 AM
I'm not interested in an Android vs. iPhone fight, I've had both and there are pros and cons of each, but what is tiresome is the Android devotees here slamming the iPhone as spendy or consumerist while giving a pass to Android.  Last I check, the latest Android cost every bit as much as the latest iPhone, and sometimes more. 
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: fattest_foot on September 01, 2016, 09:40:46 AM
I'm actually incredibly surprised by this.

On another board I read, mostly with 20-something's, there was a thread about whether they'd buy the iPhone 7.

It was almost unanimous that no, they were all only Apple's ploy here with releasing phones that were marginal upgrades and they weren't falling for the hype. A good portion of them were still using iPhone 5's, with a lot of 6's as well. I should point out that the community there is HUGE on consumerism. I was incredibly shocked to see the reaction, which makes me even more surprised to see you being mocked for having a 5.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: GuitarStv on September 01, 2016, 09:45:30 AM
Yet another reason not to own a cellphone at all. . .

Not owning a cell phone (smartphone, really) isn't an option for many people who are still working.

Of course, my company gives me $45 a month towards my phone bill, and my bill is only $40- so that's nice :)

They would buy me a pretty Iphone 6 and pay the entire bill, but it cannot be used for any personal use at all if you don't BYOD.

Not owning a cellphone is an option for an awful lot of people, they just don't consider it.

You yourself have no need to own a cellphone.  You just said that your work would buy you one and pay the costs for it.  No need for ownership on your part.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Chris22 on September 01, 2016, 09:50:49 AM
Yet another reason not to own a cellphone at all. . .

Not owning a cell phone (smartphone, really) isn't an option for many people who are still working.

Of course, my company gives me $45 a month towards my phone bill, and my bill is only $40- so that's nice :)

They would buy me a pretty Iphone 6 and pay the entire bill, but it cannot be used for any personal use at all if you don't BYOD.

Not owning a cellphone is an option for an awful lot of people, they just don't consider it.

You yourself have no need to own a cellphone.  You just said that your work would buy you one and pay the costs for it.  No need for ownership on your part.

But too often this group fixates on the cell phone to the exclusion of other factors.  For the last few years, my wife and I have used our cell phones almost exclusively to connect to the internet for personal use (outside of work).  Yes, cell phones are somewhat expensive, but so are laptops, iPads, etc etc.  So if people are using a cell phone and avoiding the cost of purchasing a computer/tablet/etc, it may not be much more expensive than no cell phone and a nice computer, etc.

That presumes we are reasonable people and thing access to the internet and communications are a given and a necessity, as they are for most people.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Digital Dogma on September 01, 2016, 10:15:18 AM
Yet another reason not to own a cellphone at all. . .

Not owning a cell phone (smartphone, really) isn't an option for many people who are still working.

Of course, my company gives me $45 a month towards my phone bill, and my bill is only $40- so that's nice :)

They would buy me a pretty Iphone 6 and pay the entire bill, but it cannot be used for any personal use at all if you don't BYOD.

Not owning a cellphone is an option for an awful lot of people, they just don't consider it.

You yourself have no need to own a cellphone.  You just said that your work would buy you one and pay the costs for it.  No need for ownership on your part.

But too often this group fixates on the cell phone to the exclusion of other factors.  For the last few years, my wife and I have used our cell phones almost exclusively to connect to the internet for personal use (outside of work).  Yes, cell phones are somewhat expensive, but so are laptops, iPads, etc etc.  So if people are using a cell phone and avoiding the cost of purchasing a computer/tablet/etc, it may not be much more expensive than no cell phone and a nice computer, etc.

That presumes we are reasonable people and thing access to the internet and communications are a given and a necessity, as they are for most people.

You can pretty much do it all on a 100$ Amazon tablet, couple that with a 50$ flip phone and you're in business for far less than most smart phones cost at your 'discounted' carrier price plus contract (as long as you've got a wifi signal at work/home).
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: I'm a red panda on September 01, 2016, 10:30:58 AM
Yet another reason not to own a cellphone at all. . .

Not owning a cell phone (smartphone, really) isn't an option for many people who are still working.

Of course, my company gives me $45 a month towards my phone bill, and my bill is only $40- so that's nice :)

They would buy me a pretty Iphone 6 and pay the entire bill, but it cannot be used for any personal use at all if you don't BYOD.

Not owning a cellphone is an option for an awful lot of people, they just don't consider it.

You yourself have no need to own a cellphone.  You just said that your work would buy you one and pay the costs for it.  No need for ownership on your part.

I don't have to own one, but I do have to HAVE one. 

If I didn't have a cell phone, I'd need to have a home phone, so it makes very little sense to not have a cell phone when the company pays more than my bill- home phone service in my area is not inexpensive because we have so few choices.  If I have a company phone I am not permitted to make personal calls, texts, emails, or have any personal apps.  It isn't a viable option for communication.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: ketchup on September 01, 2016, 10:42:02 AM
I'm not interested in an Android vs. iPhone fight, I've had both and there are pros and cons of each, but what is tiresome is the Android devotees here slamming the iPhone as spendy or consumerist while giving a pass to Android.  Last I check, the latest Android cost every bit as much as the latest iPhone, and sometimes more.
They really are basically the same now cost-wise.

The cheapest iPhone (SE) is $399 new, and there are new Android phones all the way down to $40 or so.  You can sidestep that on the Apple side by buying used older iPhones, but many don't.  Apple's phones tend to be supported much longer though too (iPhone 5 still has the most recent iOS), so they theoretically have a much longer life (as long as the battery isn't too badly beaten up).

And as far as the OS itself goes, each update of one makes it more like the other to the point that there's really very little difference between them now.

They can each be equally useful or equally stupid.  But Mustachians have a tendency (myself included) to target whatever's viewed as a "premium" product, and Apple's good at giving that impression.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: gggggg on September 01, 2016, 11:10:48 AM
My buddy has a iphone 3, he couldn't give less of a shit what other people think.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Villanelle on September 01, 2016, 09:16:14 PM
I just realized that husband is, as of late, pretty damn mock-wrothy.  We got to Japan and could not get service for any iPhone older than a 6.  I'm not interested in switching away from the Apple platform, and we looked for a week or so and couldn't find anyone selling, so we got new iPhone 6 phones. I wanted the SE, but there was monthly long wait list. Then, his work bought a brand new phone for him, for which they pay for service.  Having them just chip in a few bucks toward his cell plan is not an option, for security reasons.  To he actually walks around with *2* brand new (less than two months old for now) iPhones.  He hates it, both because it looks kind of douchy and because it's a pain to have to carry 2 phones, but there wasn't another great alternative.  He's strictly forbidden from using the work phone for *anything* personal. 
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: boyerbt on September 02, 2016, 06:40:15 AM
I'm not interested in an Android vs. iPhone fight, I've had both and there are pros and cons of each, but what is tiresome is the Android devotees here slamming the iPhone as spendy or consumerist while giving a pass to Android.  Last I check, the latest Android cost every bit as much as the latest iPhone, and sometimes more.

Yes, I couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Lyssa on September 02, 2016, 08:58:23 AM
I own a dumb phone as well. For business I've been provided with a BlackBerry and that's all smartphone I need.

When noticing my private phone one of my bosses told me 'Samsung called, the want their museum piece back!'. I replied 'I'll keep that. Lasts a week without charging. How about your IPhone?'.

And that was the end of this conversation.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Cycling Stache on September 02, 2016, 09:20:23 AM
This thread makes me sad because it seems to bring out the worst aspects of Mustachianism--the need to mock anyone who hasn't regressed to the lowest possible mean (or reached the highest possible ideal, if you prefer).

Someone posts about comments that people made about his iPhone 5, then a series of posts about how that itself is mock worthy, to the point where the only achieved ideal is the person who has never heard of the telephone.

It reminds me of a comment someone made on the main blog when MMM said that he paid $60 for some bike tune up or service, and the criticism was why couldn't you do it yourself.  Um--because he's rich, and maybe it was worth $60 to let someone else do it.  I saw another recent criticism on how MMM is a fraud because he takes an annual trip to South America, so how can he say he actually gives a crap about the environment.

I get why we have these comments, because there really is a stripping down of unnecessary fluff as part of the MMM process.  But the tendency of each thread like this to devolve to who can survive on the least makes it an unwelcoming place for anyone that has not achieved what someone else has considered to be the ideal.  It becomes like the cool hipster collection of cheap.

For the record, I don't pay for a phone and haven't for 2 years since discovering MMM.  My work gave me an iPhone 5 (of all things), and that's what I use because it's free.  I think it's always a worthwhile discussion when people are calculating costs and figuring out where to save to consider cutting back on phone service.  But when it becomes criticizing people who paid $50 for a phone versus $25, I think we turn this forum into a very unwelcoming place.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Travis on September 02, 2016, 10:14:30 AM
I have a Samsung Galaxy S4.  Twice this week I've been told that it's time I get a new phone. 

I don't care, though.  I just smile.

I don't get mocked for my 4 year old S3 too much because, well, I'm the boss in my office.  That being said, on the rare occasion I drop my phone in front of someone who knows my spending habits they will joke "guess you finally need to get a new phone." They get that impression because it appears that my phone just split into three parts.  I get the last laugh because that's the $10 case I bought coming apart on impact which I can just slap back together. 
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Enigma on September 02, 2016, 10:59:07 AM
It is also worth noting that each phone release has come with increased 'Bands' of use.  If you have a older iphone and a high data plan you could be wasting your money monthly.  As for the iPhone 5 there are less LTE bands you can use that will limit the amount of 4G/LTE service you have access to.

iphone 4 -> 2G: GSM 850/900/1800/1900; 3G: HSDPA 850/900/1900/2100
iphone 5 -> 2G: GSM 850/900/1800/1900, 3G: HSDPA 850/900/1700/1900/2100, 4G: LTE (Extremely Limited & carrier dependent)
iphone 6 -> 2G: GSM 850/900/1800/1900, 3G: HSDPA 850/900/1700/1900/2100, 4G: LTE 700/800/850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100/2600

4G network speeds: up to 1 GBit/second download; 500 Mbits/second upload
3G network speeds: up to 14.4 Mbits/second download; 5.8 Mbit/second upload
2G network speeds: max transfer speed of 1 Mbits/second

*I use an andriod phone/Samsung myself
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: frogger on September 02, 2016, 11:12:45 AM
I rock an iPhone 5S, which I got in 2014 right before the 6 came out (which is too big for my hands, so no loss). It was newer than I'd wanted at the time, but I'm planning to keep it a few more years yet. But my mom lucked out (or not, depending on your perspective) when I handed over my old iPhone 3GS from 2011 for free--she still loves her "new" smartphone!

I did have a friend tell me it's time to upgrade now that my phone is two years old, because I "deserve it". I declined.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: libertarian4321 on September 02, 2016, 06:09:51 PM
I have a flip phone and zero desire to have an iPhone 3,4,5,6,12 whatever.  Or an iAnything else, I guess.

I guess I'd rather have a multi-million dollar portfolio and a flip phone than be broke ass and chasing the latest iWhatever every 6 months.

Silly me.  Clearly, I just "don't get it."
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Zamboni on September 02, 2016, 06:19:02 PM
My buddy has a iphone 3, he couldn't give less of a shit what other people think.

I also have an iphone 3. $10 a month for more call minutes than I ever need on airvoice wireless, free texting with imessaging, and I'm pretty much always somewhere with wifi, so no need for a data plan. Works fine.

Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: SeaEhm on September 02, 2016, 07:30:44 PM
Everyday someone tells me how crappy my iPhone 5 is and that I need to upgrade already.

Then, I say, "honey! Maybe I will wait for a good update from Apple."
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: JetBlast on September 02, 2016, 09:08:08 PM
I've got an iPhone 4s. Gets the job done just fine, though the battery is starting to show its age. It should last until the iPhone 7 is out and I can snag a cheap 6 or 6s to use for the next 4-5 years.
Smartphones are incredibly useful for my job, so I'll pay the extra cost over a flip phone.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: markbike528CBX on September 02, 2016, 10:29:47 PM
My buddy has a iphone 3, he couldn't give less of a shit what other people think.

I also have an iphone 3. $10 a month for more call minutes than I ever need on airvoice wireless, free texting with imessaging, and I'm pretty much always somewhere with wifi, so no need for a data plan. Works fine.

have a  3gs but use it as as a touch.    wondering how long I can use it as a phone since I don't have a plan at this time.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Money Badger on September 03, 2016, 05:15:37 AM
My guess is the OP didn't realize that this subject touches a nerve for MMM types...    I worked in the cellular industry for 13 years and know the carrier / handset upgrade game well...   It's a financial drug that produce a "need" that requires a consumable product that vanishes so you must buy more...

Despite some serious lecturing beforehand from dear old Dad, my 18 year old daughter is learning the hard way as she plunked down $800 cash from hourly baby sitting jobs to upgrade to a "6".   I went to the cell phone carrier's store and explained to her the time value of that $800 to her future self, and showed her a way to a free smart phone by buying a used or prepay phone and swapping SIMs.   But the foolish pride of youth took over her soul and she paid for the 6.   The good news in this story is she's made a couple of "buyer's remorse" comments since..   When the 6 dies in 18 months or so, we'll revisit this lesson to make a better choice.   Dad will be there to be sure of it.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Cottonswab on September 03, 2016, 07:02:51 AM
This thread makes me sad because it seems to bring out the worst aspects of Mustachianism--the need to mock anyone who hasn't regressed to the lowest possible mean (or reached the highest possible ideal, if you prefer).

Someone posts about comments that people made about his iPhone 5, then a series of posts about how that itself is mock worthy, to the point where the only achieved ideal is the person who has never heard of the telephone.

It reminds me of a comment someone made on the main blog when MMM said that he paid $60 for some bike tune up or service, and the criticism was why couldn't you do it yourself.  Um--because he's rich, and maybe it was worth $60 to let someone else do it.  I saw another recent criticism on how MMM is a fraud because he takes an annual trip to South America, so how can he say he actually gives a crap about the environment.

I get why we have these comments, because there really is a stripping down of unnecessary fluff as part of the MMM process.  But the tendency of each thread like this to devolve to who can survive on the least makes it an unwelcoming place for anyone that has not achieved what someone else has considered to be the ideal.  It becomes like the cool hipster collection of cheap.

For the record, I don't pay for a phone and haven't for 2 years since discovering MMM.  My work gave me an iPhone 5 (of all things), and that's what I use because it's free.  I think it's always a worthwhile discussion when people are calculating costs and figuring out where to save to consider cutting back on phone service.  But when it becomes criticizing people who paid $50 for a phone versus $25, I think we turn this forum into a very unwelcoming place.

^+1

If your self-esteem is highly correlated with your phone ownership choices, you might want to seriously reconsider your values and priorities. 
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Eurotexan on September 03, 2016, 08:23:17 AM
OP here! I absolutely didn't expect to create such a debate about cell phones! Another reason to hate them, they make smart, sensible folks get all riled up!

At the end of the day many of us have our smart phones because of our jobs, others like to read online news or blogs and enjoy the convenience of a computer in our pockets. Who cares how old it is or if it's from Apple or an Android? 10 years ago I would have cared about what type of phone I had, now I couldn't care less and if I am honest that may be why I found the comments from colleagues so hard hitting. That was me back in the day and it's made me so very grateful that my priorities have shifted so much for the better and away from materialism. 

Oh and I love that so many refer to me as 'he'! I'm a woman! I know it's not in my username or photo but just got a chuckle out of it.

Thank you for everyone's comments, enjoyed the debate!
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: o2bfree on September 03, 2016, 08:54:57 AM
Those clowns are succumbing to the primitive, competitive urges of the limbic brain. They need to evolve.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Cpa Cat on September 03, 2016, 09:20:05 AM
I had the following experience:

Client: "Sometimes I don't know how I ever lived without my iPhone, but I don't understand why people always want to upgrade."
Me: "I just upgraded to an iPhone from an old Android, because my old phone wasn't compatible with the apps I wanted to use, so you have to upgrade some day. I just upgraded to an old model though - an iPhone 5. I'm behind the times."
Client: "Oh really? I have an iPhone 4! It serves my purposes just fine!"

Old iPhone Face Off. Client wins.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: SeaEhm on September 03, 2016, 09:42:26 AM
Those clowns are succumbing to the primitive, competitive urges of the limbic brain. They need to evolve.

I am confused

Evolve as they need to purchase technology to "keep them up to date"

Or

Evolve as they need to learn that life is more about living with less in a world of more
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: o2bfree on September 03, 2016, 10:28:37 AM

I am confused

Evolve as they need to purchase technology to "keep them up to date"

Or

Evolve as they need to learn that life is more about living with less in a world of more

The second one. I think technology has a contradictory aspect. On one hand, it's the product of an advanced brain. On the other hand, the development of technology is both stimulated by and stimulates primitive impulses of greed and competition.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: MoneyCat on September 03, 2016, 07:17:59 PM
My friends used to mock me for being cheap. Then I saw the electric shutoff notice on their coffee table when I came over to visit one time. Their jibes don't seem to bother me much anymore.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: SwordGuy on September 03, 2016, 08:36:03 PM
Occasionally someone will make a comment about my flip phone.

If it's just friendly banter (for example, we insult each other all the time for fun at work), I just laugh along and say I'm too cheap to spend that much money on a phone.

But if it's people who have chosen to be mean, especially if it's directed to someone who's not comfortable defending themselves, that's different.

For them, my answer goes like this, "Some people buy new smart phones every year.  I prefer buying a new rental house each year instead.  Some people buy social status, I buy financial freedom.  How many thousands of dollars in rent does that new smart phone make for you each year?"

Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Davids on September 04, 2016, 12:25:56 PM
You have an IPhone 5, people here would be mocking you for how antimustachian that phone is and you should instead have a flip phone.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Villanelle on September 05, 2016, 05:41:45 AM
This thread makes me sad because it seems to bring out the worst aspects of Mustachianism--the need to mock anyone who hasn't regressed to the lowest possible mean (or reached the highest possible ideal, if you prefer).

Someone posts about comments that people made about his iPhone 5, then a series of posts about how that itself is mock worthy, to the point where the only achieved ideal is the person who has never heard of the telephone.

It reminds me of a comment someone made on the main blog when MMM said that he paid $60 for some bike tune up or service, and the criticism was why couldn't you do it yourself.  Um--because he's rich, and maybe it was worth $60 to let someone else do it.  I saw another recent criticism on how MMM is a fraud because he takes an annual trip to South America, so how can he say he actually gives a crap about the environment.

I get why we have these comments, because there really is a stripping down of unnecessary fluff as part of the MMM process.  But the tendency of each thread like this to devolve to who can survive on the least makes it an unwelcoming place for anyone that has not achieved what someone else has considered to be the ideal.  It becomes like the cool hipster collection of cheap.

For the record, I don't pay for a phone and haven't for 2 years since discovering MMM.  My work gave me an iPhone 5 (of all things), and that's what I use because it's free.  I think it's always a worthwhile discussion when people are calculating costs and figuring out where to save to consider cutting back on phone service.  But when it becomes criticizing people who paid $50 for a phone versus $25, I think we turn this forum into a very unwelcoming place.

^+1

If your self-esteem is highly correlated with your phone ownership choices, you might want to seriously reconsider your values and priorities.

Yes.  And what I feel is so often missed here is that this goes both ways.  If your self esteem is tied in to having an iPhone 7, or if your self-esteem is tied in to having a Zach Morris Saved-By-The-Bell car phone (or to having only one rotary phone with a cord in your basement), those things are both problematic.  When value and worth come from possessions, if if it by way of simple possessions instead of fancy, one is paying far to much attention to the Stuff. 
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on September 05, 2016, 08:26:39 AM
I have a flip phone and zero desire to have an iPhone 3,4,5,6,12 whatever.  Or an iAnything else, I guess.

I guess I'd rather have a multi-million dollar portfolio and a flip phone than be broke ass and chasing the latest iWhatever every 6 months.

Silly me.  Clearly, I just "don't get it."

I think there is a reasonable middle ground...
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: MoneyCat on September 05, 2016, 10:59:24 AM
I wouldn't have a fancy schmancy Samsung Galaxy S6 phone if it wasn't a gift from a relative. I just don't see what's so important about paying a whole lot of extra money to be tracked by Google/Apple/Amazon/Microsoft 24/7 and have the personal information I give them for free sold to third parties for their profit. Then again, I guess I'm just a Luddite fuddy duddy.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Greenway52 on September 05, 2016, 11:02:37 AM
Already 3 times this week I have received off the cuff, snobby remarks about the fact that I have an iPhone 5 and not a 6. Just sitting in a meeting today I looked around and everyone has the newest phone. I wear it as a badge of honor. I have not been sucked into material consumerism and will be FIRE before I hit 50. I even bought the phone used.. ha ha!

It's crazy that people care about such meaningless shit so much.

It's interesting how you get so many comments on your phone which isn't even that old. My phone is a Nokia 1600. It's an older phone from 2005 (yes, my phone is 11 years old). It isn't even a flip phone (it's before flip phones), but I don't get that many comments. Partially that's because I rarely take it out, though I do get the odd stare once in a while if I take it out on the subway.

Personally (and this just shows how out of touch I am with respect to phones), I couldn't even tell the difference between an iPhone 4 and an iPhone 6. I know the iPhone 6 is supposed to be a bit bigger than the iPhone 4, but I couldn't tell by seeing a phone if it's an iPhone 4 or an iPhone 6. They all look the same to me.

Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: robtown on September 06, 2016, 08:32:41 AM
My guess is the OP didn't realize that this subject touches a nerve for MMM types...    I worked in the cellular industry for 13 years and know the carrier / handset upgrade game well...   It's a financial drug that produce a "need" that requires a consumable product that vanishes so you must buy more...

Despite some serious lecturing beforehand from dear old Dad, my 18 year old daughter is learning the hard way as she plunked down $800 cash from hourly baby sitting jobs to upgrade to a "6".   I went to the cell phone carrier's store and explained to her the time value of that $800 to her future self, and showed her a way to a free smart phone by buying a used or prepay phone and swapping SIMs.   But the foolish pride of youth took over her soul and she paid for the 6.   The good news in this story is she's made a couple of "buyer's remorse" comments since..   When the 6 dies in 18 months or so, we'll revisit this lesson to make a better choice.   Dad will be there to be sure of it.

Almost identical to my daughter.    I pointed out the 7 was rumored to come out this month, possibly even today.   The new roll out usually comes with a $100 discount on older models.    She would not wait even two weeks.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Chris22 on September 06, 2016, 09:36:08 AM
You guys can facepunch me all you want, but I'm 99% sure I'm buying an iPhone 7.  I've carried a work-issued iPhone for the past 4+ years, and not had my own phone.  Now I'm changing jobs, obviously losing my work phone, and will be phone less.  As mentioned, my phone is my primary (as in 95%+) method of using the internet, etc.  I'm less confused with having the latest and greatest for image sake, and more concerned with losing on the back end as far as not being able to upgrade OSs and all the tangible benefits thereof (app compatibility, security, etc) when Apple decides to change things around in 3 years.  So yeah, point laugh and ridicule, but I fully expect to order the new phone when it becomes available.  No, I won't be sleeping outside to get it. 
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Travis on September 06, 2016, 10:56:43 AM
You guys can facepunch me all you want, but I'm 99% sure I'm buying an iPhone 7.  I've carried a work-issued iPhone for the past 4+ years, and not had my own phone.  Now I'm changing jobs, obviously losing my work phone, and will be phone less.  As mentioned, my phone is my primary (as in 95%+) method of using the internet, etc.  I'm less confused with having the latest and greatest for image sake, and more concerned with losing on the back end as far as not being able to upgrade OSs and all the tangible benefits thereof (app compatibility, security, etc) when Apple decides to change things around in 3 years.  So yeah, point laugh and ridicule, but I fully expect to order the new phone when it becomes available.  No, I won't be sleeping outside to get it.

Just hang onto it until the end of time. Facepunches have an annual depreciation in direct relation to the item you bought.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Elderwood17 on September 06, 2016, 11:56:11 AM
I have a 5 and my wife has a 4.   We get mocked all the time.  I am use to it by now.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: SeaEhm on September 06, 2016, 07:16:04 PM
I can't believe all of you have the internet. I snuck into the public library and am typing to you.  I would use my library card, however, I forfeited all of my resident rights when I moved into an abandoned shed behind the I-402 next to the creek.

Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: kfire20 on September 07, 2016, 07:17:13 AM
Yup I get grief for using a 4s
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Chris22 on September 07, 2016, 08:03:10 AM
I can't believe all of you have the internet. I snuck into the public library and am typing to you.  I would use my library card, however, I forfeited all of my resident rights when I moved into an abandoned shed behind the I-402 next to the creek.

Look at this fancy fucker and his consumerist shed. 
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on September 07, 2016, 09:37:41 AM
I can't believe all of you have the internet. I snuck into the public library and am typing to you.  I would use my library card, however, I forfeited all of my resident rights when I moved into an abandoned shed behind the I-402 next to the creek.

Look at this fancy fucker and his consumerist shed.

I can't help but be reminded of that Monty Python sketch with the four Yorkshiremen: "We used to dream of living in a corridor!"
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: dcheesi on September 07, 2016, 09:59:00 AM
Rockin' the Samsung GS3 here. My ex-gf (who makes far less money, and is always half-broke) just bought a Samsung Note 7 because... um, because? :) The very next day, they announced a huge recall due to exploding batteries! Sometimes* it pays to be behind the upgrade curve...

(* actually, it almost always pays)
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: SeaEhm on September 07, 2016, 05:27:46 PM
I can't believe all of you have the internet. I snuck into the public library and am typing to you.  I would use my library card, however, I forfeited all of my resident rights when I moved into an abandoned shed behind the I-402 next to the creek.

Look at this fancy fucker and his consumerist shed.

Joke is on you butthead.  The shed is actually made of resources that were from the surrounding area.  I believe it was a mine shed that was used by locals in the late 19th century.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Pigeon on September 07, 2016, 06:23:35 PM
I just read an article about the new iPhone 7 that had some fairly hilarious comments.  It doesn't have a jack for earbuds.  You have to either use a converter or bluetooth earphones.  You can't charge it and use the converter at the same time.  A few people commented that they use an aux cable to play music in their cars, and you can't do that with the iPhone 7.

So the comments of course, were you must get the iPhone 7 and a new car so you can play music with it.  Get with it, People!
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on September 07, 2016, 06:25:16 PM
So the new iPhone 7 is out today.  I swear, for each new iteratation of the iPhone, the "features" sound more and more like an article from "The Onion."

Things like this:
Quote
The Home button is completely reengineered.

Really?!? It's a freakin' button!

I can't believe people keep eating this stuff up.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on September 07, 2016, 07:16:08 PM
http://appleplugs.com/

Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: the_gastropod on September 07, 2016, 08:16:36 PM
So the new iPhone 7 is out today.  I swear, for each new iteratation of the iPhone, the "features" sound more and more like an article from "The Onion."

Things like this:
Quote
The Home button is completely reengineered.

Really?!? It's a freakin' button!

I can't believe people keep eating this stuff up.

Apple fanbois are certainly annoying. But I find the irrational Apple hatred slightly more annoying. Like this. The technology behind the new phone's home button is legitimately pretty neat. Removing a moving part based button (like they've done on the MacBook trackpads), and replacing it with a solid-state one that maintains the "clicky" feel is technically impressive, but also allows the phone to be waterproof.

That said, I will absolutely not be buying one of these things. I don't find it difficult to simultaneously not purchase the phone, and think some of the changes are interesting.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: MrRealEstate on September 08, 2016, 03:39:24 AM
My favorite aspect of an iPhone is the ease of taking it apart. Also, if you have anything but the newest model, replacement parts are pretty cheap. I have a 5 and screens are about $20, charger ports 10-15, batteries 10-15. Once you pop them open they're pretty easy to work on. Jerryrigeverything is probably my favorite youtube channel.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: joleran on September 08, 2016, 11:35:04 AM
I had a Galaxy S (no number after it), lasted 5 years but eventually just wasn't fast enough to run the latest OS (I rooted and flashed custom ROMs) which eventually also restricts the apps available to you in the app store.  Now have had a Galaxy S5 (picked up for $200 on Ebay) that will last about the same I hope.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: bebegirl on September 08, 2016, 03:55:53 PM
This is very strange.

Last year I finally decided to buy Iphone. T-mobile had some kind of promotion where I saved $125 total. Anyway, the girl in customer service explained everything in detail and mentioned and showed her iphone 5. She told that she loved the model because it was small and fitted perfectly in her skinny jeans pocket.



Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: BarkyardBQ on September 08, 2016, 04:09:32 PM
I still have the iPhone 4, "still works AND fits in my pocket" is my standard reply if anyone asks. Just destroyed my screen last month and got it replaced for $49.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: ptobeast on September 08, 2016, 04:48:39 PM
One reason I'll be using my iphone 5 until it's dead and gone is that it's small enough to use one-handed. I really dislike the trend of phones growing in size - if I wanted a tablet, I'd get a tablet. Not all of us have big hands, or big pockets for that matter. The people who design phones and the people who design women's jeans really need to get together and make a compromise!
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Zikoris on September 08, 2016, 06:05:02 PM
People lose their shit when they see our flip phones. They were about $50 each, bought in 2013 and 2014, and they should last at least a few more years. At that point we may just be forced to upgrade, because it's getting pretty tough to find these things now - my provider has exactly one non-smartphone option, and I think my boyfriend's had two back in 2013.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: jinga nation on September 09, 2016, 07:01:47 AM
One reason I'll be using my iphone 5 until it's dead and gone is that it's small enough to use one-handed. I really dislike the trend of phones growing in size - if I wanted a tablet, I'd get a tablet. Not all of us have big hands, or big pockets for that matter. The people who design phones and the people who design women's jeans really need to get together and make a compromise!

You need bigger hands. Evolve or mutate or both. Haven't you heard of these technologies, luddite?
Jeans... Colombian jeans are the best for women. Butt-hugging with sequins and bling to draw male attention and wallets.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: SeaEhm on September 09, 2016, 06:53:47 PM
you need to get the iPhone 7 ASAP and mock them like no other!

medicine tasted!
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: misshathaway on September 10, 2016, 06:02:38 AM
One reason I'll be using my iphone 5 until it's dead and gone is that it's small enough to use one-handed. I really dislike the trend of phones growing in size

I went from an iPhone 5 to a 6 Plus. It was great for commuting - watched training videos and news at lights. Other than that it was too big for carrying around and for running.

When I retired I unlocked the 5, got Ting, and am much happier with the handling and portability.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: SeaEhm on September 10, 2016, 08:19:18 AM
One reason I'll be using my iphone 5 until it's dead and gone is that it's small enough to use one-handed. I really dislike the trend of phones growing in size

I went from an iPhone 5 to a 6 Plus. It was great for commuting - watched training videos and news at lights. Other than that it was too big for carrying around and for running.

When I retired I unlocked the 5, got Ting, and am much happier with the handling and portability.

Easiest way to spot that this is a lie.

People with iPhones don'tcan't retire.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Eric222 on September 10, 2016, 09:57:09 AM
Now you can just say you like having a headphone jack....
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: clarkfan1979 on September 10, 2016, 01:56:27 PM
I was teaching a college course and explained to the class that I was happy about my new I-pod shuffle purchase. A new model had recently come out with more memory, so the old one was marked down from $50 to $30. It could hold about 500 songs and was great for my jogging. I didn't need the newer one that could hold 2,000 songs.

The entire class got the lesson, except one kid. He kept on mocking me because he claimed the older I-pod shuffle was inferior. He kept on saying, "how is that working out for ya now!"

I kept on repeating. "It works great. I can jog for about one month before the songs start repeating themselves." He ended up dropping the class because he couldn't get a passing grade on any of the exams. He showed up about half the time. Do I let his comments bother me? I don't think so.



Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Lyssa on September 11, 2016, 11:29:04 AM
I can't believe all ocaf you have the internet. I snuck into the public library and am typing to you.  I would use my library card, however, I forfeited all of my resident rights when I moved into an abandoned shed behind the I-402 next to the creek.

Look at this fancy fucker and his consumerist shed.

I can't help but be reminded of that Monty Python sketch with the four Yorkshiremen: "We used to dream of living in a corridor!"

We lived in a cardboard box and were GRATEFUL for it!
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Making Cookies on September 11, 2016, 02:39:28 PM
you need to get the iPhone 7 ASAP and mock them like no other!

medicine tasted!

No, be sneaky and skip to an iPhone 9 and gently coo about it. You'll of course need to rebrand your older iPhone and then reskin the UI but that's prob not hard.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: dang1 on September 11, 2016, 04:11:35 PM
stick a pair of electric toothbrush heads in your ears and tell 'em you got the new apple wireless earbuds
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Making Cookies on September 12, 2016, 09:08:49 AM
Frantically searching the web for a rotary smart phone...
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Digital Dogma on September 12, 2016, 02:43:50 PM
I just read an article about the new iPhone 7 that had some fairly hilarious comments.  It doesn't have a jack for earbuds.  You have to either use a converter or bluetooth earphones.  You can't charge it and use the converter at the same time.  A few people commented that they use an aux cable to play music in their cars, and you can't do that with the iPhone 7.

So the comments of course, were you must get the iPhone 7 and a new car so you can play music with it.  Get with it, People!

I'm mentally relabeling this model as the iphone jackoff :)
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on September 12, 2016, 03:24:19 PM
Given how many people look down their noses at two-year-old technology, would there be any entertainment value in getting an old-ish smart phone that still works, prettying it up, and passing it off as an elite beta version of something new and whizbang? Smaller, sleeker, more efficient, &c. I wonder how many people simply wouldn't recognize the much older technology and could be tricked into believing it's something impressive.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Jags4186 on September 12, 2016, 03:24:45 PM
Just tell them it's an iPhone SE and move along...
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: libertarian4321 on September 12, 2016, 04:39:36 PM
People lose their shit when they see our flip phones. They were about $50 each, bought in 2013 and 2014, and they should last at least a few more years. At that point we may just be forced to upgrade, because it's getting pretty tough to find these things now - my provider has exactly one non-smartphone option, and I think my boyfriend's had two back in 2013.

Sounds to me like you are just showing off with your fancy schmancy $50 flip phone.

Mine was $19.99.  :)
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: DagobertDuck on September 13, 2016, 11:11:51 AM
You can pretty much do it all on a 100$ Amazon tablet, couple that with a 50$ flip phone and you're in business for far less than most smart phones cost at your 'discounted' carrier price plus contract (as long as you've got a wifi signal at work/home).

I got my Android smartphone (http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model/52843ab8) for $ 72 shipped via aliexpress.com (-:
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Making Cookies on September 13, 2016, 08:11:53 PM
Given how many people look down their noses at two-year-old technology, would there be any entertainment value in getting an old-ish smart phone that still works, prettying it up, and passing it off as an elite beta version of something new and whizbang? Smaller, sleeker, more efficient, &c. I wonder how many people simply wouldn't recognize the much older technology and could be tricked into believing it's something impressive.

I heard of an IT Support Tech that had problems with a secretary and her MS Office 2010 (first version of the ribbon interface). Her needs were basic and she couldn't cope with the new menus so the story goes.

He installed OpenOffice or LibreOffice and just turned off the startup splash screen. Set the default file types and told her it was an upgrade. She was happy. So the story went...
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: GuitarStv on September 14, 2016, 06:54:22 AM
Frantically searching the web for a rotary smart phone...

Texting on one requires higher level skills.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Eurotexan on September 14, 2016, 07:18:12 AM
Given how many people look down their noses at two-year-old technology, would there be any entertainment value in getting an old-ish smart phone that still works, prettying it up, and passing it off as an elite beta version of something new and whizbang? Smaller, sleeker, more efficient, &c. I wonder how many people simply wouldn't recognize the much older technology and could be tricked into believing it's something impressive.

I like this idea!!!
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: MgoSam on September 15, 2016, 11:27:16 AM
Given how many people look down their noses at two-year-old technology, would there be any entertainment value in getting an old-ish smart phone that still works, prettying it up, and passing it off as an elite beta version of something new and whizbang? Smaller, sleeker, more efficient, &c. I wonder how many people simply wouldn't recognize the much older technology and could be tricked into believing it's something impressive.

I like this idea!!!

I feel like that's what Apple has just done, minus the no audio jack thing. I know that there is likely a lot of new designs and features, but it just drives me crazy that they could release anything and it would sell out. But I suppose that's a perk of running a hip company with loyal followers, not to mention that they got those followers by having great products.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: mbk on September 15, 2016, 03:02:46 PM
I had a somewhat different experience recently related to iphone 7 upgrading, so posting here. I am sharing a family plan with my friend. He is upgrading his and his wife's phones to iphone 7 model. In the process, he bought two second-hand iphone 6 phones for 600 bucks and upgraded to iphone 7 for free trading-in the iphone 6 phones. He advised me to do the same touting the savings. While not bad in terms of market value, both my wife & I refused to spend 600 bucks for phones which we felt were not essential.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: chesebert on September 15, 2016, 03:20:38 PM
I had a somewhat different experience recently related to iphone 7 upgrading, so posting here. I am sharing a family plan with my friend. He is upgrading his and his wife's phones to iphone 7 model. In the process, he bought two second-hand iphone 6 phones for 600 bucks and upgraded to iphone 7 for free trading-in the iphone 6 phones. He advised me to do the same touting the savings. While not bad in terms of market value, both my wife & I refused to spend 600 bucks for phones which we felt were not essential.

Is sharing a plan really more economical than MVNOs (e.g., Ting)?
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on September 15, 2016, 05:54:41 PM
I had a somewhat different experience recently related to iphone 7 upgrading, so posting here. I am sharing a family plan with my friend. He is upgrading his and his wife's phones to iphone 7 model. In the process, he bought two second-hand iphone 6 phones for 600 bucks and upgraded to iphone 7 for free trading-in the iphone 6 phones. He advised me to do the same touting the savings. While not bad in terms of market value, both my wife & I refused to spend 600 bucks for phones which we felt were not essential.

Something tells me he's paying for that "free" upgrade somewhere else, i.e., in a monthly payment.  At best, he paid $600 for a phone which is still ridiculous.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: MrsPete on September 28, 2016, 05:13:49 PM
Already 3 times this week I have received off the cuff, snobby remarks about the fact that I have an iPhone 5 and not a 6. Just sitting in a meeting today I looked around and everyone has the newest phone. I wear it as a badge of honor. I have not been sucked into material consumerism and will be FIRE before I hit 50. I even bought the phone used.. ha ha!

It's crazy that people care about such meaningless shit so much.
You should hang around teenagers.  Cel phones are absolutely the #1 status symbols in their lives -- I get so frustrated with my students.  Many of them are literally addicted to their phones.  It's really sad.  I've seen kids ridiculed because their phones are shut off for non-payment; yet they still carry them because being seen without a phone is social suicide.  Between classes (they only have 6 minutes!) 90% of our kids plug in music /headphones.  I refuse to hold a conversation with a kid while he's listening to music, but they don't see that as a rude thing.  Go chaperone a school dance; at any given point, 20% of the kids are sitting at the tables using their phones -- who are they texting?  Isn't everyone at the dance?  Oh, and the #1 crime at our high school?  Phone theft. 

Yet another reason not to own a cellphone at all. . .
I don't think cel phones are a bad a choice -- but spending $$$ on the fanciest model and making it the center of your life (or even noticing the model someone else carries) is stupid.  From my perspective, I see a number of good reasons to have a mobile phone:

- We have family out of town, and back when we had a land line and paid long distance calls (remember those?) we used to have a bill of about $120/month and two of us used it.  No, cutting back on family communication was never an option.  My husband and my phones cost a little less than that per month ... of course, we have two kids, too, so the total bill is more. 
- When we had a land line and long distance, we always waited 'til after 5:00 or weekends to make our calls as cheaply as possible.  Now we can call whenever we want. 
- Yes, you can get the same services with other devices, but the mobile phone brings all the functions together in one compact machine ... and, as stated above, it costs about the same as we used to pay for a land line and long distance.  And they work anywhere, and we all have a story about an emergency with a broken-down car, etc. 
- Note that none of the above have to do with "smart phones".  Smart phones may be handy (for coupons, for checking prices at other stores, for sending a picture of a shirt to your daughter before you buy it), but none of those are actual NEEDS for everyday life. 

Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: UbermomsHubby on October 01, 2016, 10:36:21 PM
Each time my iphone dies, I am constantly disappointed because I want to buy versions older than are currently sold.  In fact, at work, I use phones turned in by departed employees and wiped rather than getting a new phone.  Apple really has ticked me off because in addition, they did not repair two of my laptops because they were "beyond service life"  What's up with that?
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: TheGrimSqueaker on October 02, 2016, 12:57:37 PM
Each time my iphone dies, I am constantly disappointed because I want to buy versions older than are currently sold.  In fact, at work, I use phones turned in by departed employees and wiped rather than getting a new phone.  Apple really has ticked me off because in addition, they did not repair two of my laptops because they were "beyond service life"  What's up with that?

They've figured out-- like software manufacturers-- that services provide better long-term income than products do. So they've jumped on the planned obsolescence bandwagon. Just in case they can't convince everyone that they "neeeeeed" the newest whizbang version every year or two, they sabotage the after-market and maintenance services to make sure people are forced to re-re-re-re-repurchase their products and services every year or two. That way they can gouge money for a bunch of other bundled crap that most customers don't need, want, or use (a technique much beloved of cable companies). They do their very best to eliminate the option of making do with less. One way they do it is by forcing their customers to choose between buying something far more expensive than what they really want, and going without.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: uppy on October 02, 2016, 01:41:05 PM
Regarding the Android vs. Apple debate and the shaming on either side...

It's true I see more shaming coming from Android users along the lines of "You're too consumerist, why do you spend so much on the iPhone/newest model/etc." This is stupid because you don't know the person's situation (they may be wealthy or this is the one thing they splurge on).

On the other hand, as an Android user, it's just frustrating to see so many people spending so much money on a cell phone that is A) nothing special B) not any easier to use (people claim this but everything has a learning curve, a toddler can use an Android), and C) actually more prone to physical breakage than most Androids -- in my experience, YMMV.

The fact that the OP was mocked for her iPhone 5 shows that Apple products are big-time social currency these days, which inflates their perceived value.

Full disclosure, I am writing this on a Macbook Air :)
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: MMMaybe on October 05, 2016, 02:59:48 PM
I've got an iPhone 4s. Gets the job done just fine, though the battery is starting to show its age. It should last until the iPhone 7 is out and I can snag a cheap 6 or 6s to use for the next 4-5 years.
Smartphones are incredibly useful for my job, so I'll pay the extra cost over a flip phone.

I bought a replacement battery for my 4S off Ebay (it came along with a tiny screwdriver to open the phone) and watched a video on You Tube. It works much better now. The battery was only about 5 bucks.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: talltexan on October 06, 2016, 07:43:03 AM
I have bought many more products from Apple than followers of the mustache should. The one that disappoints me the most is iTunes. It was so great back in the early days, but now its best capability seems to be updating itself.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: monte0930 on October 06, 2016, 07:59:13 AM
I have bought many more products from Apple than followers of the mustache should. The one that disappoints me the most is iTunes. It was so great back in the early days, but now its best capability seems to be updating itself.

Yes, I used iTunes back in college when it was really great. Best music player for computer use by far. That was 14 years ago, now I don't even use it because each time it updated it actually got more bloated and useless features that I would never use. I tried installing an older software version, which worked for a while but then it tried to update again and stopped working. All of this was on my PC by the way. Oh well, since I lost my old iPod there is literally no reason for me to use iTunes anymore, or anything from Apple for that matter.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: MgoSam on October 06, 2016, 08:23:17 AM
I have bought many more products from Apple than followers of the mustache should. The one that disappoints me the most is iTunes. It was so great back in the early days, but now its best capability seems to be updating itself.

Yes, I used iTunes back in college when it was really great. Best music player for computer use by far. That was 14 years ago, now I don't even use it because each time it updated it actually got more bloated and useless features that I would never use. I tried installing an older software version, which worked for a while but then it tried to update again and stopped working. All of this was on my PC by the way. Oh well, since I lost my old iPod there is literally no reason for me to use iTunes anymore, or anything from Apple for that matter.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way about Itunes. I have an Ipod so it's largely necessary, but after mine craps the bed I'm done with Itunes.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on October 06, 2016, 10:24:08 AM
I have bought many more products from Apple than followers of the mustache should. The one that disappoints me the most is iTunes. It was so great back in the early days, but now its best capability seems to be updating itself.

Yes, I used iTunes back in college when it was really great. Best music player for computer use by far. That was 14 years ago, now I don't even use it because each time it updated it actually got more bloated and useless features that I would never use. I tried installing an older software version, which worked for a while but then it tried to update again and stopped working. All of this was on my PC by the way. Oh well, since I lost my old iPod there is literally no reason for me to use iTunes anymore, or anything from Apple for that matter.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way about Itunes. I have an Ipod so it's largely necessary, but after mine craps the bed I'm done with Itunes.

The problem with Apple stuff is that it locks you in and you can't escape.  I started using iPhoto years ago and each release seems to be buggier.  I still trying to figure out how to escape from that.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: GuitarStv on October 06, 2016, 11:11:06 AM
I have bought many more products from Apple than followers of the mustache should. The one that disappoints me the most is iTunes. It was so great back in the early days, but now its best capability seems to be updating itself.

Yes, I used iTunes back in college when it was really great. Best music player for computer use by far. That was 14 years ago, now I don't even use it because each time it updated it actually got more bloated and useless features that I would never use. I tried installing an older software version, which worked for a while but then it tried to update again and stopped working. All of this was on my PC by the way. Oh well, since I lost my old iPod there is literally no reason for me to use iTunes anymore, or anything from Apple for that matter.

I suspect that some of you are viewing history through rose coloured glasses.  Compared to the alternatives iTunes was never great . . . it was just less shitty than current incarnations.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Chris22 on October 06, 2016, 11:17:53 AM
I'm a relative Apple fan and even I think iTunes blows goats for quarters.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Making Cookies on October 06, 2016, 01:19:09 PM
https://www.clementine-player.org

All Linux, Mac, Windows - and PortableApps.

I love this one. Open-Source. Free. Has a remote control that works via Wi-Fi on a smart phone.

I've used iTunes and iPods and they are good but I don't like the vendor lock.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: monte0930 on October 06, 2016, 01:38:16 PM
I suspect that some of you are viewing history through rose coloured glasses.  Compared to the alternatives iTunes was never great . . . it was just less shitty than current incarnations.

It worked great in our doorms, could share libraries with everyone else that used iTunes. We even found a slightly shady extension called ourtunes that let you copy songs from shared libraries. It was much better than winamp anyway!
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: MgoSam on October 06, 2016, 01:43:23 PM
I suspect that some of you are viewing history through rose coloured glasses.  Compared to the alternatives iTunes was never great . . . it was just less shitty than current incarnations.

It worked great in our doorms, could share libraries with everyone else that used iTunes. We even found a slightly shady extension called ourtunes that let you copy songs from shared libraries. It was much better than winamp anyway!

Agree completely! I too compared Itunes to Winamp. It seems like a lifetime ago....
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: MgoSam on October 06, 2016, 01:45:35 PM
https://www.clementine-player.org

All Linux, Mac, Windows - and PortableApps.

I love this one. Open-Source. Free. Has a remote control that works via Wi-Fi on a smart phone.

I've used iTunes and iPods and they are good but I don't like the vendor lock.

Sweet thanks! I'm leaning more and more towards ditching my Ipod as I primarily listen to Audiobooks anyways and can do so on my smartphone. I'm going to look into this and see if it's good for moving audio files to my phone.

Any idea if Clementine will work with Audible (DRM protected) files?
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on October 06, 2016, 03:57:16 PM
I suspect that some of you are viewing history through rose coloured glasses.  Compared to the alternatives iTunes was never great . . . it was just less shitty than current incarnations.

It worked great in our doorms, could share libraries with everyone else that used iTunes. We even found a slightly shady extension called ourtunes that let you copy songs from shared libraries. It was much better than winamp anyway!

Oooh, good times!  I can remember using Winamp to create .wav files from mp3s to burn my own mix CDs.  Also manually editing mp3 tags one file at a time.  Both cumbersome tasks that iTunes completely revolutionized.  There was also a time when iTunes for PC didn't exist and had to use some third party application to load up your iPod. Music Manager or something?, circa 2003.

I will take this iTunes interface any day:
(https://s.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/itunes1-1367258371.jpg)

The current one is way too busy.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Making Cookies on October 07, 2016, 07:43:58 AM
https://www.clementine-player.org

All Linux, Mac, Windows - and PortableApps.

I love this one. Open-Source. Free. Has a remote control that works via Wi-Fi on a smart phone.

I've used iTunes and iPods and they are good but I don't like the vendor lock.

Sweet thanks! I'm leaning more and more towards ditching my Ipod as I primarily listen to Audiobooks anyways and can do so on my smartphone. I'm going to look into this and see if it's good for moving audio files to my phone.

Any idea if Clementine will work with Audible (DRM protected) files?

No idea whatsoever. Clementine was born out of a project called Amarok (still active). Amarok changed their GUI drastically and a while later this other group popped up and resurrected the old GUI that you see in Clementine. To me Clementine is the best music player out there. Right mix of easy and advanced features.

I suspect that if there is a feature that it doesn't have, someone has that feature in the form of a plugin. Some of the mainstream open-source projects can't include those kinds of things to avoid patent/copyright/DMCA lawsuits.

A good example is FreeCAD 3-D (or maybe it was LibreCAD 2-D). Can't include the ability to work with DWG files natively b/c Autodesk might come after them. However a 3rd party wrote up a plugin that exists elsewhere on the web.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCAD

http://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/?title=Screenshots

http://librecad.org/cms/home.html

Just putting these here for anybody that might find them useful.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: MgoSam on October 11, 2016, 12:31:05 PM
https://www.clementine-player.org

All Linux, Mac, Windows - and PortableApps.

I love this one. Open-Source. Free. Has a remote control that works via Wi-Fi on a smart phone.

I've used iTunes and iPods and they are good but I don't like the vendor lock.

Sweet thanks! I'm leaning more and more towards ditching my Ipod as I primarily listen to Audiobooks anyways and can do so on my smartphone. I'm going to look into this and see if it's good for moving audio files to my phone.

Any idea if Clementine will work with Audible (DRM protected) files?

No idea whatsoever. Clementine was born out of a project called Amarok (still active). Amarok changed their GUI drastically and a while later this other group popped up and resurrected the old GUI that you see in Clementine. To me Clementine is the best music player out there. Right mix of easy and advanced features.

I suspect that if there is a feature that it doesn't have, someone has that feature in the form of a plugin. Some of the mainstream open-source projects can't include those kinds of things to avoid patent/copyright/DMCA lawsuits.

A good example is FreeCAD 3-D (or maybe it was LibreCAD 2-D). Can't include the ability to work with DWG files natively b/c Autodesk might come after them. However a 3rd party wrote up a plugin that exists elsewhere on the web.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCAD

http://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/?title=Screenshots

http://librecad.org/cms/home.html

Just putting these here for anybody that might find them useful.

Just throwing this out there, if anyone knows an alternative to Apple products for playing Audible (DRM) files, please let me know. I currently am using my smartphone which is good, but I don't like taking my phone with me on walks and the like and so would love to have alternate options.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: GuitarStv on October 11, 2016, 12:44:55 PM
https://www.clementine-player.org

All Linux, Mac, Windows - and PortableApps.

I love this one. Open-Source. Free. Has a remote control that works via Wi-Fi on a smart phone.

I've used iTunes and iPods and they are good but I don't like the vendor lock.

Sweet thanks! I'm leaning more and more towards ditching my Ipod as I primarily listen to Audiobooks anyways and can do so on my smartphone. I'm going to look into this and see if it's good for moving audio files to my phone.

Any idea if Clementine will work with Audible (DRM protected) files?

No idea whatsoever. Clementine was born out of a project called Amarok (still active). Amarok changed their GUI drastically and a while later this other group popped up and resurrected the old GUI that you see in Clementine. To me Clementine is the best music player out there. Right mix of easy and advanced features.

I suspect that if there is a feature that it doesn't have, someone has that feature in the form of a plugin. Some of the mainstream open-source projects can't include those kinds of things to avoid patent/copyright/DMCA lawsuits.

A good example is FreeCAD 3-D (or maybe it was LibreCAD 2-D). Can't include the ability to work with DWG files natively b/c Autodesk might come after them. However a 3rd party wrote up a plugin that exists elsewhere on the web.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCAD

http://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/?title=Screenshots

http://librecad.org/cms/home.html

Just putting these here for anybody that might find them useful.

Just throwing this out there, if anyone knows an alternative to Apple products for playing Audible (DRM) files, please let me know. I currently am using my smartphone which is good, but I don't like taking my phone with me on walks and the like and so would love to have alternate options.

Can you just convert the file to version without DRM, or download a DRM free version?  I personally have no qualms downloading media that I've already paid for.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: MgoSam on October 11, 2016, 01:34:15 PM
https://www.clementine-player.org

All Linux, Mac, Windows - and PortableApps.

I love this one. Open-Source. Free. Has a remote control that works via Wi-Fi on a smart phone.

I've used iTunes and iPods and they are good but I don't like the vendor lock.

Sweet thanks! I'm leaning more and more towards ditching my Ipod as I primarily listen to Audiobooks anyways and can do so on my smartphone. I'm going to look into this and see if it's good for moving audio files to my phone.

Any idea if Clementine will work with Audible (DRM protected) files?

No idea whatsoever. Clementine was born out of a project called Amarok (still active). Amarok changed their GUI drastically and a while later this other group popped up and resurrected the old GUI that you see in Clementine. To me Clementine is the best music player out there. Right mix of easy and advanced features.

I suspect that if there is a feature that it doesn't have, someone has that feature in the form of a plugin. Some of the mainstream open-source projects can't include those kinds of things to avoid patent/copyright/DMCA lawsuits.

A good example is FreeCAD 3-D (or maybe it was LibreCAD 2-D). Can't include the ability to work with DWG files natively b/c Autodesk might come after them. However a 3rd party wrote up a plugin that exists elsewhere on the web.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCAD

http://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/?title=Screenshots

http://librecad.org/cms/home.html

Just putting these here for anybody that might find them useful.

Just throwing this out there, if anyone knows an alternative to Apple products for playing Audible (DRM) files, please let me know. I currently am using my smartphone which is good, but I don't like taking my phone with me on walks and the like and so would love to have alternate options.

Can you just convert the file to version without DRM, or download a DRM free version?  I personally have no qualms downloading media that I've already paid for.

Yes there are ways to do so, the reason I would prefer to avoid this is that it would be nice to be able to directly download audiobooks straight to my player, without having to alter them first. Right now with my smartphone I have the Audible app so I can download the books and listen to them instantly, and it is nice.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: sleepyguy on October 11, 2016, 02:56:58 PM
Samsung S3 Neo here (how old is it i have no clue...it was free that was the best part!).  Works great and doesn't explode (Note7), haha!
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: talltexan on October 13, 2016, 06:38:10 AM
no joke, it's been a bad month for Samsung.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Enigma on October 13, 2016, 07:52:23 AM
Samsung outsourcing smaller brands and cheaper batteries for phones was a big mistake.  I read an article the other day that was stating the traction for iPhone to gain more ground against android has never been stronger.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: markbike528CBX on October 13, 2016, 11:13:39 AM
no joke, it's been a bad month for Samsung.

Every single plane flight announcing "recall" "Samsung" "7" "FAA" creates quite the marketing headwind.

As I'm on a low information diet, those announcements were my first and only indication that there was a problem.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Kitsune on October 14, 2016, 07:30:59 AM
On the other hand, as an Android user, it's just frustrating to see so many people spending so much money on a cell phone that is A) nothing special B) not any easier to use (people claim this but everything has a learning curve, a toddler can use an Android), and C) actually more prone to physical breakage than most Androids -- in my experience, YMMV.

I have an iPad (3 years old) and an android phone (Samsung S4). Of the two interfaces, i vastly prefer the android (especially once yo account for price). Also, last night my 2.5-year-old unlocked my phone, opened the app she wanted, and found the video she wanted to watch, and I walked into the room to find her settled in to watch Pete the Cat videos by herself on my previously locked and put-away and no-apps-open phone, so, confirmed: toddlers can totally figure out how to use an android.

Also: this phone might be an "old" model, but it's super solid (I've dropped it multiple times without th case: not a scratch. Case is on now due to toddler), it does everything I need to, and it takes pictures in good enough quality to print in 8x10 with no visible quality loss (I'm a parent and grandparents love pictures, so this is a bonus), and is fully paid and on a cheap plan even for rural Canadian cell plans. Like... Why on EARTH would I get a newer model of something that more than meets all my needs? To look cool? Are we back in high school or something??
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: enb123 on October 14, 2016, 08:43:10 AM
A person's choice in a phone seems to get much more of a reaction from others than most consumer preferences, at least in my office.  It's insane, but I think it's a function of massive marketing which has created irrational (and intense) brand loyalty, plus the fact that phones are seen as an "affordable luxury" (ha ha) - something that's supposed to say "I have loads of money and good taste."  I actually got sick of co-workers saying "why do you have an Android" off-and-on for several years (can you imagine?) and eventually bought a used iPhone just to shut them up.  So I looked at it more as buying some peace!
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: kaposzta on October 15, 2016, 07:13:01 AM
I'm always mocked because of my old, Nokia 6100 from 2008 :) It was my first company phone, and 8 years later I'm still using it (I'm working at the same company). I've even received a new smartphone last year, but I don't use it. My colleagues buy fancy iPhone 6s and huge Samsungs, but they are always complaining about them (battery runs down fast, phones crash all the time, etc.)
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Debts_of_Despair on October 15, 2016, 07:14:07 AM
A person's choice in a phone seems to get much more of a reaction from others than most consumer preferences, at least in my office.  It's insane, but I think it's a function of massive marketing which has created irrational (and intense) brand loyalty, plus the fact that phones are seen as an "affordable luxury" (ha ha) - something that's supposed to say "I have loads of money and good taste."  I actually got sick of co-workers saying "why do you have an Android" off-and-on for several years (can you imagine?) and eventually bought a used iPhone just to shut them up.  So I looked at it more as buying some peace!

I love that Androids are more or less viewed as a poor person's phone.  All the more reason to keep using one, LOL!
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: mwulff on October 16, 2016, 12:22:22 AM
My wife and I run a different strategy with regards to iPhones. Each year we buy a new phone through my wife's company. This is a corporate expense and therefore it is tax-deductible.

The phone becomes her work phone for 1 year, and we sell off the oldest iphone in the house (normally a 2 year old model). But since apple phones hold their value incredibly well this works out to about $50-$100 a year to always have the latest iphone when you factor in the tax break. On the bonus side our phones are never out of warranty so any battery issues can be dealt with by just going to an apple store.

While not as cheap as running a $50 android phone into the ground it is convenient and we sort of like the iPhones.

However just yesterday my wife had to hand in her iPhone 6 for repair and I promptly gave her my 6S. She does need an iphone due to some specialized medical stuff that she runs on it.

I dug out an old Sony Xperia android phone (running android 4.3) from a drawer and installed my usual 8 apps on it. It works just fine with the one exception, the android version is way too old to run the Philips Hue app. And I am left wondering why Sony doesn't provide updates to the operating system, because the hardware is just fine.

I also tried a Nokia 635 Windows Phone I had lying around, but the apps just weren't available.

But give it a week and I'll  have my iPhone back, but I am not ruling out getting a Motorola G4 with the bamboo back next time. Android actually feels just fine compared to iOS. They are different but both work very well.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: talltexan on October 17, 2016, 08:57:42 AM
with all the tech-experts here, does anyone have an opinion about security? Do I need to take more care when using an older mobile device to do things like online banking over the wifi at a coffee shop?
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Making Cookies on October 17, 2016, 12:27:30 PM
I sure would like to have granular control over permissions on Android i.e. block certain apps from ever reaching the 'net b/c they shouldn't ever need to access the 'net. Basically lmy emial program and browser needs to access the 'net. nothing else.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: ooeei on October 17, 2016, 02:01:29 PM
And I am left wondering why Sony doesn't provide updates to the operating system, because the hardware is just fine.

Probably because they can't because it was bought through a carrier, who has to approve and send out the updates after Sony gives them to them.  If not that, because it's not worth it and they're focused on software for their latest phone. 

That's what pushed me away from my gen 1 Moto X a few weeks ago.  There were just a few little bugs that weren't deal breakers, but they were never fixed.  If I restarted my phone with it plugged in, it went to a boot screen for 1-2 hours with no way to stop it.  Doesn't happen often, but come on guys.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: mwulff on October 19, 2016, 12:42:44 AM
And I am left wondering why Sony doesn't provide updates to the operating system, because the hardware is just fine.

Probably because they can't because it was bought through a carrier, who has to approve and send out the updates after Sony gives them to them.  If not that, because it's not worth it and they're focused on software for their latest phone. 

That's what pushed me away from my gen 1 Moto X a few weeks ago.  There were just a few little bugs that weren't deal breakers, but they were never fixed.  If I restarted my phone with it plugged in, it went to a boot screen for 1-2 hours with no way to stop it.  Doesn't happen often, but come on guys.

Actually the phone was bought retail. In this country we don't have all that carrier nonsense with custom crap-ware on them. I'm still just a bit disappointed that they don't support older customers.

I' m also a bit concerned with security on these older phones, but if at least the browser still receives updates then it's probably ok.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: ooeei on October 19, 2016, 06:16:06 AM
And I am left wondering why Sony doesn't provide updates to the operating system, because the hardware is just fine.

Probably because they can't because it was bought through a carrier, who has to approve and send out the updates after Sony gives them to them.  If not that, because it's not worth it and they're focused on software for their latest phone. 

That's what pushed me away from my gen 1 Moto X a few weeks ago.  There were just a few little bugs that weren't deal breakers, but they were never fixed.  If I restarted my phone with it plugged in, it went to a boot screen for 1-2 hours with no way to stop it.  Doesn't happen often, but come on guys.

Actually the phone was bought retail. In this country we don't have all that carrier nonsense with custom crap-ware on them. I'm still just a bit disappointed that they don't support older customers.

I' m also a bit concerned with security on these older phones, but if at least the browser still receives updates then it's probably ok.

Makes sense, the carriers still don't do you any favors though.  They may have 5 different versions of the phone out to different carriers.  The unlocked one is the only one they could update easily, but since only probably 20% of their customers have that one, it's not worth it to them.

Security could be pretty bad, I remember there was a flaw in android awhile back that if someone sent you a malicious text you didn't even have to open it and they could pull info from your phone with malicious code.  I think you had to route your texts through an app for it to happen, but still possible.  This wouldn't be a big issue, IF they had the ability to update. 

http://www.howtogeek.com/225834/stagefright-what-you-need-to-know-and-how-to-protect-yourself/

With that being said, I had an older version android that I'm sure was vulnerable to that until about 3 weeks ago, and never had a problem (that I know of).  Even with the vulnerability, your chance of someone using it on you is pretty small.  Kind of like if your front door's lock was broken.  You'd certainly be vulnerable, but still unlikely to be robbed.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: mwulff on October 21, 2016, 09:14:25 AM
Well, turns out my spendypants friend had another phone lying around.  Apparently just imagine your Samsung galaxy alpha was not good enough, so he replaced it with a Huwaie something something.

But it's a nice phone and it was free.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Ralph2 on November 06, 2016, 01:16:41 AM
Well I'm glad I don't have your acquaintance set OP.  If the mock you for an iPhone 5 they would probably beat me for this 6+ year old crackberry I'm typing this post on.  One of these years I will get something newer but as long as its working and the battery life remains adequate I just don't see the need.

I own a dumb phone as well. For business I've been provided with a BlackBerry and that's all smartphone I need.

When noticing my private phone one of my bosses told me 'Samsung called, the want their museum piece back!'. I replied 'I'll keep that. Lasts a week without charging. How about your IPhone?'.

And that was the end of this conversation.

Hi, late to this conversation, have had to upgrade my 3315 in the last year as a result of screen issues. Was unable to get hold of one to cannibalise. Found a 301 at the right price, got a fancy cover for nix.

Got a call and used it, everyone thought it was a small smart unit, no, but it does have a camera.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: 11ducks on November 06, 2016, 03:14:38 AM
I miss the Nokia 5110. Best phone ever. Couldn't kill it. It had snake. What more could you want?
(http://static.digit.in/fckeditor/uploads/2012_02_16_Nokia5110-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Mr.BondsBeard on November 08, 2016, 09:02:23 AM
Already 3 times this week I have received off the cuff, snobby remarks about the fact that I have an iPhone 5 and not a 6. Just sitting in a meeting today I looked around and everyone has the newest phone. I wear it as a badge of honor. I have not been sucked into material consumerism and will be FIRE before I hit 50. I even bought the phone used.. ha ha!

It's crazy that people care about such meaningless shit so much.

Good for you. I've never had snobby remarks myself but just the general question of why I use an older version (used a free used 4 until I got an old 5 off the in-laws, which was also free). I tell them how much I pay for my SIM only plan and then they understand!
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: moof on November 08, 2016, 05:07:19 PM
I mock people all the time for having outrageously expensive contracts.  People think nothing of paying 100-200 a month for 2-4 lines, and gobs of data.  one guy at work complains he can't reduce his data because his 22 year old kid needs the data, but doesn't chip in for the family bill.  WTF?  In my opinion most people worry too much about the cost of their phone, and not about the cost of plan plus phone.

My wife and I average $35/mo for Ting, but so far none of my shamed targets want to "take the risk" even though there is no contract.

"What if I travel to europe?"  What if you can't afford to go to europe because of your $2.4k/year phone bill...

"But I like streaming Pandora on the way to work."  Ride your bike!  (guy does about 2 days a week, so he has a start...)  Listen to the r-a-d-i-o.

"My stay-at-home wife needs help getting the kids to all their events and crap."  Schedule less crap, don't let your kids doddle so much that they need a ride to school, and ride your bike!

"Wahhhhh!!!"
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: seanc0x0 on November 09, 2016, 02:54:27 PM
with all the tech-experts here, does anyone have an opinion about security? Do I need to take more care when using an older mobile device to do things like online banking over the wifi at a coffee shop?

Since no one else has answered yet:  YES!   

Smartphone OSes are lucrative targets for online crime, and an out of date OS can lead to malware getting installed on your phone.

Generally, Android is worse in this regard, largely because of the lack of OS patches from vendors.  The majority of Android devices out there are not at current version levels (see: http://www.droid-life.com/tag/distribution/ (http://www.droid-life.com/tag/distribution/)) so any vulnerabilities that have been fixed in later versions are still there and known, so are easily exploited.  If you want to keep an Android up to date, the Google devices (i.e. Nexus devices) have really good support, and some vendors are better than others about keeping the OS updated.

Apple is much better in this regard as all iPhones can take updates (at least until end-of-life, usually several years) and so generally have fewer vulnerabilities. Apple also has a slightly better track record with malware in their store, though it is still an issue. Android 3rd party App stores are a complete horror show in my experience.

I work in information security at a relatively large university (~20k staff/students, much BYOD) and I get to deal with the fallout of unpatched phones all the time. It can be quite a mess.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Making Cookies on November 10, 2016, 04:06:41 PM
I mock people all the time for having outrageously expensive contracts.  People think nothing of paying 100-200 a month for 2-4 lines, and gobs of data.  one guy at work complains he can't reduce his data because his 22 year old kid needs the data, but doesn't chip in for the family bill.  WTF?  In my opinion most people worry too much about the cost of their phone, and not about the cost of plan plus phone.

My wife and I average $35/mo for Ting, but so far none of my shamed targets want to "take the risk" even though there is no contract.

"What if I travel to europe?"  What if you can't afford to go to europe because of your $2.4k/year phone bill...

"But I like streaming Pandora on the way to work."  Ride your bike!  (guy does about 2 days a week, so he has a start...)  Listen to the r-a-d-i-o.

"My stay-at-home wife needs help getting the kids to all their events and crap."  Schedule less crap, don't let your kids doddle so much that they need a ride to school, and ride your bike!

"Wahhhhh!!!"

DW told me of her friends having this very discussion recently. Friends hate the cost of a mainstream branded contract line and phone but won't do anything but continue to pay it. Makes me want to scream at people who complain about being broke but who won't stop spending - and I'm not a screamer. ;)
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: SeaEhm on November 13, 2016, 09:21:03 AM
Everyday someone tells me how crappy my iPhone 5 is and that I need to upgrade already.

Then, I say, "honey! Maybe I will wait for a good update from Apple."

Update:

Day the iPhone 7 came out, my wife got it.
That same day I was now the proud owner of an iPhone 6!

You know what they say, "Don't buy a boat, befriend someone with a boat."  "You don't need to be rich, just have rich friends."

I married the "rich" guy with the boat.

Unbiased observation - the 6 is light speed better than the 5
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Chris22 on November 15, 2016, 08:56:23 AM
Some smarter and/or who cares more than me should run the analysis on how much cheaper it is over the long run to get a cheapo phone versus stay at or near the cutting edge.

Reason I'm asking is because I traded in an iPhone 6 for an iPhone 7+ 128GB, a $900 or so phone, and am paying $10/mo for it (have to finance to get the promo price) because I traded in an iphone 6 (gifted to me from work) they gave me $650 for.  I anticipate I'll "pay this phone off" and upgrade to the next big thing in 2 years assuming the economics are similar.  If I do this forever, theoretically I'm always paying $120/yr to have the latest, or 1 gen behind the latest phone, versus every few years laying out $XXX to buy an older model. 

I'm sure I'm spending more, but I'm guessing I'm not spending materially more, certainly not the thousands you guys always quote.
Title: Re: Being mocked for my iPhone 5
Post by: Making Cookies on November 15, 2016, 10:50:49 AM
You could go for a Samsung Centurion for $30 new ($10 now) and stick with it until it falls apart. Mine is quite usable. Battery life of days.