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Around the Internet => Antimustachian Wall of Shame and Comedy => Topic started by: dansette on August 18, 2015, 07:49:19 AM
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http://jezebel.com/any-sandwich-that-costs-more-than-12-should-be-legally-1723951662
or make your own sandwich, it's some bread with avocado and tomato on it FFS!
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I was stranded this weekend in Newark coming home from my brother's wedding. Mechanical issues with United caused me to miss my connection. Result - an extra 6 hours hanging around an airport. I went to United Customer Service (an oxymoron) to see what they would do for me. They gave me a "meal voucher" for my troubles. The "meal voucher" was for $7. I found a ham and cheese sandwich that came to $12.80 after tax, no drink, no side. I think this is the first time I have ever said this...I agree with Jezebel. Also, United sucks.
That is all.
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We live in a world in which someone else sets the price of things; our only choice in consumption is to buy or not to buy.
Which in choosing to buy or not buy sets the price on things. By not paying $13 for an avocado tartine (whatever a "tartine" is, and now my spell-check is blowing up so I am now googling tartine and most of the hits are Bakeries and such with the name Tartine and one "Free Dictionary" link stating that it is a French open faced sandwich with rich spreads, but the site seems very wiki-esque so I don't think this is a real word) you will in turn increase the likelihood of the bakery lowering prices. By paying the $13 as you did, you increase the likelihood of the price staying the same or even rising.
As for the actual content of the post, do you really want a shitty bag of chips to go with your breakfast sandwich? A bag that's probably a style that you don't like (kettle) and that you can't turn down for a discount on the price? One that increases the price of your tartine sandwich an additional 50 cents or 1 dollar? No, you really don't.
Take Qdoba, for instance. Guacamole is now "free." Which really just means that they are increasing prices on all of us people who don't like Guacamole. So now I don't have a burrito place to go to because Chipotle is now in the starving African children business.
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I'd rather eat a 12$ sandwich than "artisanal toast" at $3-4 PER slice!
Artisanal Toast Is Taking the Nation by Storm (http://www.eater.com/2014/5/30/6215971/artisanal-toast-is-taking-the-nation-by-storm)
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I was stranded this weekend in Newark coming home from my brother's wedding. Mechanical issues with United caused me to miss my connection. Result - an extra 6 hours hanging around an airport. I went to United Customer Service (an oxymoron) to see what they would do for me. They gave me a "meal voucher" for my troubles. The "meal voucher" was for $7. I found a ham and cheese sandwich that came to $12.80 after tax, no drink, no side. I think this is the first time I have ever said this...I agree with Jezebel.
This might be relevant to the topic:
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2014/09/22/lessons-in-badassity-from-a-night-in-houston/
Also, United sucks.
Fly enough times and they'll all let you down, not just a little, but really badly. I went through phases of avoiding this airline or that, but at this point I've been unrepentantly fucked over by all the major ones, and grudgingly settled back into my original strategy of buying the cheapest ticket that fits my schedule.
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I'd rather eat a 12$ sandwich than "artisanal toast" at $3-4 PER slice!
Artisanal Toast Is Taking the Nation by Storm (http://www.eater.com/2014/5/30/6215971/artisanal-toast-is-taking-the-nation-by-storm)
Wow. Just wow. This is a remarkable example of how a fool and their money are soon parted. But n the upside - god work to those businesses finding a way to charge $4.00 for something that cost them maybe 1.50 including supplies, rent, staff time & creating a twee menu.
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When coworkers from New York City visit our office they often marvel at the grocery store. Our grocery store has an eat in restaurant with a decent hot buffet, salad bar, chinese food, sushi, pizza, gelato, and some other stuff. It's awesome.
I always thought that was weird until i went to their office and realized the most "affordable" lunch choice is a plain grilled cheese sandwich that costs $8 (it costs more if you want anything fancy...). Of course, I can't buy an Hermes scarf on my lunch break.
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This might be relevant to the topic:
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2014/09/22/lessons-in-badassity-from-a-night-in-houston/
I thought about this article as I was sitting there - truthfully, it helped a little. My main complain(y pants)t was that United called their $7 pittance a "meal voucher" knowing full well that you can't even buy a ham and cheese sandwich in the airport for $7.
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Wow. Just wow. This is a remarkable example of how a fool and their money are soon parted. But n the upside - god work to those businesses finding a way to charge $4.00 for something that cost them maybe 1.50 including supplies, rent, staff time & creating a twee menu.
And if you noticed, some of the highlighted restaurants were toast "bars", where you toast and top it yourself...for 3-4$ a slice.
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This might be relevant to the topic:
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2014/09/22/lessons-in-badassity-from-a-night-in-houston/
I thought about this article as I was sitting there - truthfully, it helped a little. My main complain(y pants)t was that United called their $7 pittance a "meal voucher" knowing full well that you can't even buy a ham and cheese sandwich in the airport for $7.
Last time I looked, I could at least get a moderate dose of fast food for that much, but it's definitely on the modest side. Even in my small regional airport, which runs cheap, a good breakfast would cost more than that.
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I think that a $12 sandwich should come with a free Facepunch. That said, there are exemptions. I love Zingerman's sandwiches in Ann Arbor, and consider it worth the price.
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It's sad that to eat a 'healthy' sandwich, it'll cost you a lot more than a burger at McDonalds, which we can all agree is not too healthy.
I try to avoid eating out because it's so dang expensive to eat at a healthy place, and a cheap place is so unhealthy. But it's hard. Dang hard.
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It's a good thing you put "healthy" in quotations; because these "healthy sandwiches" are rarely healthy.
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Since we're on the topic, any tips on making a kickass sandwich? I occassionally will bring in bread and meat and condiments and tomoatos to make sandwiches at lunch, and generally find myself choking them down (won't waste the food, but won't enjoy it either). I love sandwiches from various restaurants and fast food places, but I going out for food because of the cost.
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For me, a good sandwich needs great bread. Are you making your bread or buying it?
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Since we're on the topic, any tips on making a kickass sandwich? I occassionally will bring in bread and meat and condiments and tomoatos to make sandwiches at lunch, and generally find myself choking them down (won't waste the food, but won't enjoy it either). I love sandwiches from various restaurants and fast food places, but I going out for food because of the cost.
A really good sandwich must be toasted in my opinion, which can be hard at work, unless your kitchen has a toaster oven.
The ingredients are key. To make it more interesting, add some prosciutto, bacon, fried egg. Get some nice cheese too. And switch up the condiments, instead of just mayo do honey mustard or pesto some days. The bread is also important, but you need to go with what you enjoy. I generally bake my own bread, but Costco has great sandwich breads for cheap, though only if you have a big enough family to eat it before it goes bad.
This reminds me of a great family meal idea that we do sometimes with my parents and brother:
We buy from Costco the rotisserie chicken, romaine lettuce hearts and the ciabatta buns. Come home, remove legs and wings from chicken, then all the white meat and chop it up. Mix with craisins, mayo and whatever else you like to make chicken salad. This makes a kickass chicken salad sandwich with the lettuce and ciabatta buns (some of us also like to add a slice of cheese). At the same time, put the chicken bones in the pot with some veggies and herbs and you got chicken stock/soup! Feeds a ton of people for cheap.
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I was stranded this weekend in Newark coming home from my brother's wedding. Mechanical issues with United caused me to miss my connection. Result - an extra 6 hours hanging around an airport. I went to United Customer Service (an oxymoron) to see what they would do for me. They gave me a "meal voucher" for my troubles. The "meal voucher" was for $7. I found a ham and cheese sandwich that came to $12.80 after tax, no drink, no side. I think this is the first time I have ever said this...I agree with Jezebel.
This might be relevant to the topic:
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2014/09/22/lessons-in-badassity-from-a-night-in-houston/
Also, United sucks.
Fly enough times and they'll all let you down, not just a little, but really badly. I went through phases of avoiding this airline or that, but at this point I've been unrepentantly fucked over by all the major ones, and grudgingly settled back into my original strategy of buying the cheapest ticket that fits my schedule.
Good comments on both sides here. We were recently stuck in airports due to weather - Albany for 2 hours and Newark for 3. Luckily, my spouse travels for work *just* often enough to qualify for United Club membership. We spent a couple of hours in the United club in Newark, charging our phones.
This came with free snacks - cheese and crackers, vegetable soup, rolls, hummus and vegetables, olives, israeli couscous salad, water, some candy, etc. The spouse and kids still went and bought "real" dinner. I was fine with that though, because we'd had a long travel day. I had packed snacks, but sometimes real food is preferred. Plus we were traveling on miles anyway, so it was a cheap trip.
In the end, we pulled into a hotel 1 hour from home because we'd been awake for 24 hours (just us, the kids slept on the plane). I was fine paying for it because it beat dying in a fiery crash.
I was definitely more chill that I've been in the past. I have to take issue with the MMM "fasting" part, but mostly for 2 reasons - first, not gonna make my kids fast and second, I'm female, I can't really fast without getting hangry. But that's a male/ female thing.
I think a single slice of pizza at Newark was $7
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Fly enough times and they'll all let you down, not just a little, but really badly. I went through phases of avoiding this airline or that, but at this point I've been unrepentantly fucked over by all the major ones, and grudgingly settled back into my original strategy of buying the cheapest ticket that fits my schedule.
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This is so true it hurts.
I hate Airline companies. progressive luggage fees are the spawn of Satan, and their unreliability and the lack of Fucks that they care about it has brought me closer to physical violence than anything I've ever experienced.
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Fly enough times and they'll all let you down, not just a little, but really badly. I went through phases of avoiding this airline or that, but at this point I've been unrepentantly fucked over by all the major ones, and grudgingly settled back into my original strategy of buying the cheapest ticket that fits my schedule.
This is so true it hurts.
I hate Airline companies. progressive luggage fees are the spawn of Satan, and their unreliability and the lack of Fucks that they care about it has brought me closer to physical violence than anything I've ever experienced.
The North American ones all suck. There are still some good ones in other countries, I really like Eva Air.
Last year I flew Southwest with my two toddlers and my mother. Transpacific flight, big plane, lots of people, boarding was mayhem. The kids were upset, we were trying to juggle carry-on bags and stroller, my mom managed to get to the desk and ask if there was priority boarding for people with young children. "No." Not even "No, sorry." Just "No."
By contrast, when I was flying Eva Air once there was a lady with toddlers, and one of them was crying to be picked up but she had her hands full. One of the employees actually came over to tell her that she had young kids so she could board first, and helped her with her bags.
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second, I'm female, I can't really fast without getting hangry. But that's a male/ female thing.
I have a female friend that fasts for up to 3 days. She is still pleasant. Maybe your body just needs to get used to it.
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Since we're on the topic, any tips on making a kickass sandwich? I occassionally will bring in bread and meat and condiments and tomoatos to make sandwiches at lunch, and generally find myself choking them down (won't waste the food, but won't enjoy it either). I love sandwiches from various restaurants and fast food places, but I going out for food because of the cost.
Get a cheap panini press from Craigslist to stash in your lunchroom or cubicle. It makes pretty much any sandwich better.
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The North American ones all suck. There are still some good ones in other countries...
Tru dat.
Best airline experiences in recent years: Turkish Airways and Qatar Airways.
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A really good sandwich must be toasted in my opinion,
Which is why you people deserve Donald Trump....
You look at the array of fresh crisp ham, cheese and salad sandwiches on the counter in the cafe and then they bring you something that looks like it was left in the sun and then run over by a truck. You don't have to iron sandwiches !
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Since we're on the topic, any tips on making a kickass sandwich? I occassionally will bring in bread and meat and condiments and tomoatos to make sandwiches at lunch, and generally find myself choking them down (won't waste the food, but won't enjoy it either). I love sandwiches from various restaurants and fast food places, but I going out for food because of the cost.
Get a cheap panini press from Craigslist to stash in your lunchroom or cubicle. It makes pretty much any sandwich better.
Do they make that much of a difference? We have a toaster and a little toaster oven in the lunchroom, and I could get a panini press for it.
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A really good sandwich must be toasted in my opinion,
Which is why you people deserve Donald Trump....
You look at the array of ham, cheese and salad sandwiches on the counter in the cafe and then they bring you something that looks like it was left in the sun and then run over by a truck. You don't have to iron sandwiches !
Them's fightin' words. That pugnacious content-free asshole will never be my president. And I will smite thee with a toasted panini for saying I deserve him. ;)
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I'd rather eat a 12$ sandwich than "artisanal toast" at $3-4 PER slice!
Artisanal Toast Is Taking the Nation by Storm (http://www.eater.com/2014/5/30/6215971/artisanal-toast-is-taking-the-nation-by-storm)
Isn't Artisanal Toast really just a toasted open faced sandwich under a different name?
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I'd rather eat a 12$ sandwich than "artisanal toast" at $3-4 PER slice!
Artisanal Toast Is Taking the Nation by Storm (http://www.eater.com/2014/5/30/6215971/artisanal-toast-is-taking-the-nation-by-storm)
Isn't Artisanal Toast really just a toasted open faced sandwich under a different name?
I wouldn't ever pay $3 for a slice of toast, but I will admit that reading the article made my hungry. Might need to get some toast on the way home...
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For the poster who asked about it. My universal secrets to sandwich making are:
1. Good enough bread. Doesn't have to be super fancy, but at least half decent. Or use good rolls (ciabatta, turkish bread etc).
2. Don't be a stingy cunt with the filling. Be generous, thick slices of meat, or lots of cheese.
3. Don't spread the sauce, swirl in on. Oh and use some type of sauce, mayonnaise, tomato relish, mustard, apple sauce, cranberry sauce etc.
4. Less is more. No more than five ingredients.
to toast or not entirely depends on the ingredients. I.e. never toast a sandwhich with lettuce inside.
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Getting stuck at an airport with flight delays is a frugal person's nightmare! Everything is so expensive there and you can't bring a ton of food on the off chance you'll get stuck since they can decide just about anything contains liquid and force you to waste it. I flew Norwegian Air a few weeks ago and it was delayed by two hours but they still charged people for drinks on the plane. They let me take an empty water bottle through so I was able to fill it as I didn't want to give them any more money.
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For the poster who asked about it. My universal secrets to sandwich making are:
1. Good enough bread. Doesn't have to be super fancy, but at least half decent. Or use good rolls (ciabatta, turkish bread etc).
2. Don't be a stingy cunt with the filling. Be generous, thick slices of meat, or lots of cheese.
3. Don't spread the sauce, swirl in on. Oh and use some type of sauce, mayonnaise, tomato relish, mustard, apple sauce, cranberry sauce etc.
4. Less is more. No more than five ingredients.
to toast or not entirely depends on the ingredients. I.e. never toast a sandwhich with lettuce inside.
Thanks! When I think of sandwiches, I've usually gotten sliced pepper jack cheese, a slice meat of some variety. I just don't know what spread to use, I don't really like mayo. What do you think will go well with it?
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A really good sandwich must be toasted in my opinion,
something that looks like it was left in the sun and then run over by a truck.
LOL
Good thing I wasn't drinking tea when I read this or I would've spat it all over my laptop :D
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second, I'm female, I can't really fast without getting hangry. But that's a male/ female thing.
I have a female friend that fasts for up to 3 days. She is still pleasant. Maybe your body just needs to get used to it.
I doubt it. I've tried.
There have been recent studies that suggest that female bodies don't respond to fasting the way that male bodies do (in general).
Can't remember where I read it, but it was in the context (I think) of health and weight. That among other things, fasting is "good" for you, but they've found that it doesn't work for women like it does for men, especially for weight loss (it's often counterproductive).
Among other things: low blood sugar, feeling like I'm going to pass out, severe headaches...trust me, nobody wants to be around me when I've fasted for very long.
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I think that a $12 sandwich should come with a free Facepunch. That said, there are exemptions. I love Zingerman's sandwiches in Ann Arbor, and consider it worth the price.
My college roommate reminded me that Zingerman's sandwiches do come with a side, so I stand corrected.
Also, just want to say that if anyone is in Ann Arbor, I recommend checking out Zingerman's. Their sandwich prices are high, but they actually don't have too much of a markup on them. They refuse to compromise on size of their sandwich or their quality, so raise prices based on their costs, and their employees are extremely well-trained and well-paid (they actually run a school for businesses to send their employees for training, and also teach a class at Ross, UM business school).
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Paid $17 for three "sandwiches" yesterday, all fresh lobster rolls. Worth every penny.
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I doubt it. I've tried.
There have been recent studies that suggest that female bodies don't respond to fasting the way that male bodies do (in general).
Can't remember where I read it, but it was in the context (I think) of health and weight. That among other things, fasting is "good" for you, but they've found that it doesn't work for women like it does for men, especially for weight loss (it's often counterproductive).
Among other things: low blood sugar, feeling like I'm going to pass out, severe headaches...trust me, nobody wants to be around me when I've fasted for very long.
I think that this is the normal biological response to fasting in both males and females.
You have to work your body into it. Can't just jump in.
Maybe you are diabetic?
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Since we're on the topic, any tips on making a kickass sandwich? I occassionally will bring in bread and meat and condiments and tomoatos to make sandwiches at lunch, and generally find myself choking them down (won't waste the food, but won't enjoy it either). I love sandwiches from various restaurants and fast food places, but I going out for food because of the cost.
A really good sandwich must be toasted in my opinion, which can be hard at work, unless your kitchen has a toaster oven.
The ingredients are key. To make it more interesting, add some prosciutto, bacon, fried egg. Get some nice cheese too. And switch up the condiments, instead of just mayo do honey mustard or pesto some days. The bread is also important, but you need to go with what you enjoy. I generally bake my own bread, but Costco has great sandwich breads for cheap, though only if you have a big enough family to eat it before it goes bad.
This reminds me of a great family meal idea that we do sometimes with my parents and brother:
We buy from Costco the rotisserie chicken, romaine lettuce hearts and the ciabatta buns. Come home, remove legs and wings from chicken, then all the white meat and chop it up. Mix with craisins, mayo and whatever else you like to make chicken salad. This makes a kickass chicken salad sandwich with the lettuce and ciabatta buns (some of us also like to add a slice of cheese). At the same time, put the chicken bones in the pot with some veggies and herbs and you got chicken stock/soup! Feeds a ton of people for cheap.
+1 on Costco Rotisserie Chickens. We make so many dishes out of that damn thing. Stir fry, chicken cassarole, chicken tacos, chicken noodle soup, etc.
Great idea on the chicken salad sandwich.
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I can't possibly know the author's intent, but what stuck out to me is when she mentioned the side as a culinary element of a meal; that a single sandwich is subtly unsatisfying if not paired with something else. When you pack your lunch, do you ever really bring just a sandwich, or do you at least grab a piece of fruit to go with it?
I think the concept of variety-for-satisfaction exists in many cultures, though I have heard it most clearly (and strictly) expressed with respect to Japanese cuisine...I think it's called Kaiseki (though I'm not sure, I lost the word and had to google for it). The idea is basically that for a meal to feel complete, you need 5 (I think?) different flavors and different preparation styles (boiled, grilled, steamed, pickled, fried, fresh, etc). I'm pretty sure there are other rules involved, but the central tenet is variety.
So, I think the rant can be interpreted as not just a rant about the expense, but rather that if you're at that level where the sandwich costs $12 (outside of an airport) and you're calling it a "tartine," you've carefully designed the things on your menu and should care enough about how they're perceived to include a little something to contrast or complement the dish and bring out the flavor. Alternately, a person could just go to Subway, which doesn't care how the sandwich you asked them to make tastes, they just sell you what you ask for.
I'd rather eat a 12$ sandwich than "artisanal toast" at $3-4 PER slice!
Artisanal Toast Is Taking the Nation by Storm (http://www.eater.com/2014/5/30/6215971/artisanal-toast-is-taking-the-nation-by-storm)
Wow. Just wow. This is a remarkable example of how a fool and their money are soon parted. But n the upside - god work to those businesses finding a way to charge $4.00 for something that cost them maybe 1.50 including supplies, rent, staff time & creating a twee menu.
A much better story, I think, about how the trend in SF got started...
http://www.psmag.com/health-and-behavior/toast-story-latest-artisanal-food-craze-72676
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*****PSA for those stranded 6 hours in Newark****
6 hours is more than enough time to leave the airport and get some excellent Rodizio. Take the Airtrain to Newark Penn Station and walk to one of the Brazilian or Portuguese places.
Actually 6 hours is enough time to hop the PATH to Manhattan for even more dining/layover options, but if you're afraid to stray too far, Newark's Ironbound section has great food.
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Since we're on the topic, any tips on making a kickass sandwich? I occassionally will bring in bread and meat and condiments and tomoatos to make sandwiches at lunch, and generally find myself choking them down (won't waste the food, but won't enjoy it either). I love sandwiches from various restaurants and fast food places, but I going out for food because of the cost.
A really good sandwich must be toasted in my opinion, which can be hard at work, unless your kitchen has a toaster oven.
The ingredients are key. To make it more interesting, add some prosciutto, bacon, fried egg. Get some nice cheese too. And switch up the condiments, instead of just mayo do honey mustard or pesto some days. The bread is also important, but you need to go with what you enjoy. I generally bake my own bread, but Costco has great sandwich breads for cheap, though only if you have a big enough family to eat it before it goes bad.
This reminds me of a great family meal idea that we do sometimes with my parents and brother:
We buy from Costco the rotisserie chicken, romaine lettuce hearts and the ciabatta buns. Come home, remove legs and wings from chicken, then all the white meat and chop it up. Mix with craisins, mayo and whatever else you like to make chicken salad. This makes a kickass chicken salad sandwich with the lettuce and ciabatta buns (some of us also like to add a slice of cheese). At the same time, put the chicken bones in the pot with some veggies and herbs and you got chicken stock/soup! Feeds a ton of people for cheap.
+1 on Costco Rotisserie Chickens. We make so many dishes out of that damn thing. Stir fry, chicken cassarole, chicken tacos, chicken noodle soup, etc.
Great idea on the chicken salad sandwich.
I'm about to join Costco, so this is timely. I think I'll time it so that when I go I will pick up one of their tasty chickens for dinner. I want to get an ice tray to pour chicken stock into and then freeze. I've heard that this is a great way to have bullion..and it also saves space, anyone try this?
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Paid $17 for three "sandwiches" yesterday, all fresh lobster rolls. Worth every penny.
Where on earth did you do that? Even at McDonald's they're $7.99 each (disgusting). Unless you mean $17 each...?
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I doubt it. I've tried.
There have been recent studies that suggest that female bodies don't respond to fasting the way that male bodies do (in general).
Can't remember where I read it, but it was in the context (I think) of health and weight. That among other things, fasting is "good" for you, but they've found that it doesn't work for women like it does for men, especially for weight loss (it's often counterproductive).
Among other things: low blood sugar, feeling like I'm going to pass out, severe headaches...trust me, nobody wants to be around me when I've fasted for very long.
I think that this is the normal biological response to fasting in both males and females.
You have to work your body into it. Can't just jump in.
Maybe you are diabetic?
I'm not diabetic.
Can we just agree that people are different? I really really super hate it when men, or young men, or young women (or anyone really), try to apply "obvious" health ideals and principle to, well, everyone.
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/intermittent-fasting-women
http://paleoforwomen.com/shattering-the-myth-of-fasting-for-women-a-review-of-female-specific-responses-to-fasting-in-the-literature/
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Paid $17 for three "sandwiches" yesterday, all fresh lobster rolls. Worth every penny.
Where on earth did you do that? Even at McDonald's they're $7.99 each (disgusting). Unless you mean $17 each...?
Thanks, now I want to go get a lobster roll. The only decent place here is like $18 each for them...
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I'm not diabetic.
Can we just agree that people are different? I really really super hate it when men, or young men, or young women (or anyone really), try to apply "obvious" health ideals and principle to, well, everyone.
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/intermittent-fasting-women
http://paleoforwomen.com/shattering-the-myth-of-fasting-for-women-a-review-of-female-specific-responses-to-fasting-in-the-literature/
I am absolutely not arguing whether fasting is good or bad, I simply pointed out that the fasting symptoms that you described experiencing are the way both normal men and women will respond to fasting when not habituated to it.
Maybe you are different, but what you have described represents the norm, not the exception.
I also feel ligh headed and in a bad mood when I skip a meal, this does not mean that I am biologically different from other humans and that my body handles fasting differently.
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Paid $17 for three "sandwiches" yesterday, all fresh lobster rolls. Worth every penny.
Where on earth did you do that? Even at McDonald's they're $7.99 each (disgusting). Unless you mean $17 each...?
Each.
http://captscotts.com/Pages/MobileHome.aspx
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Thanks! When I think of sandwiches, I've usually gotten sliced pepper jack cheese, a slice meat of some variety. I just don't know what spread to use, I don't really like mayo. What do you think will go well with it?
Mustard if it's ham and cheese. BBQ sauce if it's beef.
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Fly enough times and they'll all let you down, not just a little, but really badly. I went through phases of avoiding this airline or that, but at this point I've been unrepentantly fucked over by all the major ones, and grudgingly settled back into my original strategy of buying the cheapest ticket that fits my schedule.
This is so true it hurts.
I hate Airline companies. progressive luggage fees are the spawn of Satan, and their unreliability and the lack of Fucks that they care about it has brought me closer to physical violence than anything I've ever experienced.
The North American ones all suck. There are still some good ones in other countries, I really like Eva Air.
Last year I flew Southwest with my two toddlers and my mother. Transpacific flight, big plane, lots of people, boarding was mayhem. The kids were upset, we were trying to juggle carry-on bags and stroller, my mom managed to get to the desk and ask if there was priority boarding for people with young children. "No." Not even "No, sorry." Just "No."
By contrast, when I was flying Eva Air once there was a lady with toddlers, and one of them was crying to be picked up but she had her hands full. One of the employees actually came over to tell her that she had young kids so she could board first, and helped her with her bags.
That's why I won't fly Southwest, because with the boarding the way it is and the lack of assigned seats, I can't find seats together for my family. If it were just one or two adults that would be one thing but I don't want to have to beg strangers to move so I can sit with my kids.
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Thanks! When I think of sandwiches, I've usually gotten sliced pepper jack cheese, a slice meat of some variety. I just don't know what spread to use, I don't really like mayo. What do you think will go well with it?
Mustard if it's ham and cheese. BBQ sauce if it's beef.
Any suggestions besides BBQ? I'm not a huge fan of it. I've tried putting Frank's but it isn't really a good sauce for sandwiches. For the time being I'll likely pass on sandwiches and just make something in the slow cooker Sunday night for most of my lunches during the week.
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This is so true it hurts.
I hate Airline companies. progressive luggage fees are the spawn of Satan, and their unreliability and the lack of Fucks that they care about it has brought me closer to physical violence than anything I've ever experienced.
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The last time I flew southwest I went out the next weekend and took my first piloting lesson. That's how bad it was, I was like, surely I can do this better myself (I was wrong, btw, it's an inner ear thing).
I make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at work as my back-up lunch. If I don't have good leftovers to bring in it is PBJ all the way. Beyond that, to make a good sandwich, mayo is a huge mistake, as is mustard. You want to melt the cheese, but toasting the bread is not a great way to do that. For meat/cheese sandwiches, I microwave/toast the insides separately, and then assemble with bread, lightly toasted if I'm in the mood for it. If you absolutely have to have a condiment, consider regular ol' honey or a salad dressing of some kind. Fresh spinach works great on a sandwich, but in general vegetables are a mistake.
Mayo is a liberal conspiracy.
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Thanks! When I think of sandwiches, I've usually gotten sliced pepper jack cheese, a slice meat of some variety. I just don't know what spread to use, I don't really like mayo. What do you think will go well with it?
Mustard if it's ham and cheese. BBQ sauce if it's beef.
Any suggestions besides BBQ? I'm not a huge fan of it. I've tried putting Frank's but it isn't really a good sauce for sandwiches. For the time being I'll likely pass on sandwiches and just make something in the slow cooker Sunday night for most of my lunches during the week.
I'm a mustard man myself. Horseradish sauce?
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but I don't want to have to beg strangers to move so I can sit with my kids.
I think the solution to this is just to sit your child down in a middle seat between two random people. The younger child, the better the strategy works.
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but I don't want to have to beg strangers to move so I can sit with my kids.
I think the solution to this is just to sit your child down in a middle seat between two random people. The younger child, the better the strategy works.
Yeah, I would be happy to switch seats with you if it means not being next to a child, especially as that means that the child's parent is sitting with them.
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Thanks! When I think of sandwiches, I've usually gotten sliced pepper jack cheese, a slice meat of some variety. I just don't know what spread to use, I don't really like mayo. What do you think will go well with it?
Mustard if it's ham and cheese. BBQ sauce if it's beef.
Any suggestions besides BBQ? I'm not a huge fan of it. I've tried putting Frank's but it isn't really a good sauce for sandwiches. For the time being I'll likely pass on sandwiches and just make something in the slow cooker Sunday night for most of my lunches during the week.
I'm a mustard man myself. Horseradish sauce?
That is definitely worth trying!
Since this thread started, I've been thinking about Zingerman's and found their recipe for a Reuben. It would take some time to do it, but I could probably make a decent Reuben on my own....
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but I don't want to have to beg strangers to move so I can sit with my kids.
I think the solution to this is just to sit your child down in a middle seat between two random people. The younger child, the better the strategy works.
I tried that! Actually once I flew a red-eye with my 5 year old. We were not seated together, so I asked the lady next to him to switch. He was in a row of 5, 2nd seat in, she was in the aisle.
She said "I'm fine with kids, I've got kids" because she didn't want to give up her aisle seat. Man, it's an overnight flight!! I'm sure he wants to put his head in my lap!
Luckily I also had an aisle, so we switched.
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but I don't want to have to beg strangers to move so I can sit with my kids.
I think the solution to this is just to sit your child down in a middle seat between two random people. The younger child, the better the strategy works.
I tried that! Actually once I flew a red-eye with my 5 year old. We were not seated together, so I asked the lady next to him to switch. He was in a row of 5, 2nd seat in, she was in the aisle.
She said "I'm fine with kids, I've got kids" because she didn't want to give up her aisle seat. Man, it's an overnight flight!! I'm sure he wants to put his head in my lap!
Luckily I also had an aisle, so we switched.
On the one Southwest trip we took, we had our daughter as a lap baby (6 months old) so putting her in the seat wouldn't have worked. By the time we got on the flight it would be all middle seats all the way back as all the windows and aisles were taken. We could have gotten one parent next to her by working a swap of some sort. I would much rather purchase 3 seats in a row (well, now 4).
I used a variant of this technique another time though. I flew with just her (she was 2 by then and flying on her own ticket) and it was a small plane with 1 seat on one side of the aisle and 2 seats on the other. She and I were assigned to the 1 seat and the opposite aisle. Since the person in the other window seat hadn't yet shown up, I just took the 2 seats together for my daughter and me, and explained to him what I'd done when he showed up, and he was cool with it.
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This might be relevant to the topic:
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2014/09/22/lessons-in-badassity-from-a-night-in-houston/
I thought about this article as I was sitting there - truthfully, it helped a little. My main complain(y pants)t was that United called their $7 pittance a "meal voucher" knowing full well that you can't even buy a ham and cheese sandwich in the airport for $7.
Last time I looked, I could at least get a moderate dose of fast food for that much, but it's definitely on the modest side. Even in my small regional airport, which runs cheap, a good breakfast would cost more than that.
Pro-tip for those flying through Atlanta: $7 will almost get you an entree at the Chipotle in concourse D (it might get closer to $8 after tax). So far, it's the only restaurant in there I've found that isn't marked up relative to non-airport locations. (Apparently, the starving African children business (http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/antimustachian-wall-of-shame-and-comedy/any-sandwich-that-costs-more-than-$12-should-be-legally-obligated-to-have-a-side/msg772492/#msg772492) (?!) is paying off.)
Also, the best airport breakfast is to go to Five Guys Burgers and Fries (also in concourse D) and order a fried egg sandwich with a burger patty (and the usual toppings, of course) added to it. It will also cost about $7, I think.
For the poster who asked about it. My universal secrets to sandwich making are:
4. Less is more. No more than five ingredients.
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No, this is a sandwich!
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Mayo is a liberal conspiracy.
Anyone who thinks this just hasn't tried the right kind yet. Different brands of mayo taste surprisingly different (and homemade is even more so).
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but I don't want to have to beg strangers to move so I can sit with my kids.
I think the solution to this is just to sit your child down in a middle seat between two random people. The younger child, the better the strategy works.
This has always been our strategy too. "Here's your seat dear! If you need anything this nice business man next to you will help you."
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Thanks! When I think of sandwiches, I've usually gotten sliced pepper jack cheese, a slice meat of some variety. I just don't know what spread to use, I don't really like mayo. What do you think will go well with it?
Mustard if it's ham and cheese. BBQ sauce if it's beef.
Any suggestions besides BBQ? I'm not a huge fan of it. I've tried putting Frank's but it isn't really a good sauce for sandwiches. For the time being I'll likely pass on sandwiches and just make something in the slow cooker Sunday night for most of my lunches during the week.
I'm a mustard man myself. Horseradish sauce?
Cream cheese or mashed avocado.
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but I don't want to have to beg strangers to move so I can sit with my kids.
I think the solution to this is just to sit your child down in a middle seat between two random people. The younger child, the better the strategy works.
I tried that! Actually once I flew a red-eye with my 5 year old. We were not seated together, so I asked the lady next to him to switch. He was in a row of 5, 2nd seat in, she was in the aisle.
She said "I'm fine with kids, I've got kids" because she didn't want to give up her aisle seat. Man, it's an overnight flight!! I'm sure he wants to put his head in my lap!
Luckily I also had an aisle, so we switched.
On the one Southwest trip we took, we had our daughter as a lap baby (6 months old) so putting her in the seat wouldn't have worked. By the time we got on the flight it would be all middle seats all the way back as all the windows and aisles were taken. We could have gotten one parent next to her by working a swap of some sort. I would much rather purchase 3 seats in a row (well, now 4).
I used a variant of this technique another time though. I flew with just her (she was 2 by then and flying on her own ticket) and it was a small plane with 1 seat on one side of the aisle and 2 seats on the other. She and I were assigned to the 1 seat and the opposite aisle. Since the person in the other window seat hadn't yet shown up, I just took the 2 seats together for my daughter and me, and explained to him what I'd done when he showed up, and he was cool with it.
We buy 4 seats in a row.
But strangely, some time after we bought our tickets for this trip, but before the flight, they "moved" my 9 year old up 9 rows or so. It was weird.
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http://jezebel.com/any-sandwich-that-costs-more-than-12-should-be-legally-1723951662
or make your own sandwich, it's some bread with avocado and tomato on it FFS!
So she's whining because we live in a world where other people set the prices, and our only choice is to buy or not buy.
Is she really so stupid as to ignore the dozen or so other options available to her? Choose another restaurant, choose a less expensive option at this restaurant, eat before she leaves home, munch a granola bar as she walks down the street, stash breakfast fixings in her desk at work? This limited thinking is why people whine, "No one can get ahead these days!"
I was stranded this weekend in Newark coming home from my brother's wedding. Mechanical issues with United caused me to miss my connection. Result - an extra 6 hours hanging around an airport. I went to United Customer Service (an oxymoron) to see what they would do for me. They gave me a "meal voucher" for my troubles. The "meal voucher" was for $7. I found a ham and cheese sandwich that came to $12.80 after tax, no drink, no side. I think this is the first time I have ever said this...I agree with Jezebel. Also, United sucks.
That is all.
Okay, at the airport, you really are trapped. You probably don't have transportation and sometimes don't know how long it'll be 'til you can leave, so you wouldn't go even if you had a car available. So they jack the prices up.
But the answer here is clear: Never go to the airport without a stash of snacks. Sure, you can't bring liquids, so you'll probably end up paying $5 for a soda or coffee, but you food shouldn't pose the same issues.
Which in choosing to buy or not buy sets the price on things. By not paying $13 for an avocado tartine (whatever a "tartine" is, and now my spell-check is blowing up so I am now googling tartine and most of the hits are Bakeries and such with the name Tartine and one "Free Dictionary" link stating that it is a French open faced sandwich with rich spreads, but the site seems very wiki-esque so I don't think this is a real word) you will in turn increase the likelihood of the bakery lowering prices. By paying the $13 as you did, you increase the likelihood of the price staying the same or even rising.
Yeah, I have to admit that I didn't know that word ... nor am I familiar with whatever overpriced coconut drink she chose.
I can't possibly know the author's intent, but what stuck out to me is when she mentioned the side as a culinary element of a meal; that a single sandwich is subtly unsatisfying if not paired with something else. When you pack your lunch, do you ever really bring just a sandwich, or do you at least grab a piece of fruit to go with it?
I think the OP's just whining, but your point is valid: A sandwich doesn't always feel like "enough".
In the case of this avocado toast, I suspect it literally isn't "enough". A piece of bread and some fruit -- regardless of the price, she's going to be famished by lunchtime. On the other hand, if this were scrambled egg on the toast, topped by the avocado and tomato -- that'd be considerably more filling.
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Okay, at the airport, you really are trapped. You probably don't have transportation and sometimes don't know how long it'll be 'til you can leave, so you wouldn't go even if you had a car available. So they jack the prices up.
But the answer here is clear: Never go to the airport without a stash of snacks. Sure, you can't bring liquids, so you'll probably end up paying $5 for a soda or coffee, but you food shouldn't pose the same issues.
Or you pack an empty water bottle and fill that up at drinking fountain or sink after security. You can also bring in powder/tablet drink mixes to add if you can't stand/get bored of water.
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Ok ok, I love mayo. If it's too boring for your sandwich, try mixing some stuff in it! I like to mix in minced garlic, pepper, chili powder, A1, or italian dressing .... your mix may vary (he ymmv)! And if it gets to runny from italian dressing, than just thicken it with some parmesean cheese. I make it in a tupperware container and use it for a couple of days. Mmmmm.
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That's why I won't fly Southwest, because with the boarding the way it is and the lack of assigned seats, I can't find seats together for my family. If it were just one or two adults that would be one thing but I don't want to have to beg strangers to move so I can sit with my kids.
Pretty sure if you just go talk to the counter they'll let you board first. Seems like every time I fly Southwest the families are always getting on first. They even might just announce it with the Handicapped and military personnel.
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That's why I won't fly Southwest, because with the boarding the way it is and the lack of assigned seats, I can't find seats together for my family. If it were just one or two adults that would be one thing but I don't want to have to beg strangers to move so I can sit with my kids.
Pretty sure if you just go talk to the counter they'll let you board first. Seems like every time I fly Southwest the families are always getting on first. They even might just announce it with the Handicapped and military personnel.
Families board after the A group but before the B group (~60 people in) on Southwest. You can get seats together but it won't be in the front of the plane.
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That's why I won't fly Southwest, because with the boarding the way it is and the lack of assigned seats, I can't find seats together for my family. If it were just one or two adults that would be one thing but I don't want to have to beg strangers to move so I can sit with my kids.
Pretty sure if you just go talk to the counter they'll let you board first. Seems like every time I fly Southwest the families are always getting on first. They even might just announce it with the Handicapped and military personnel.
Families board after the A group but before the B group (~60 people in) on Southwest. You can get seats together but it won't be in the front of the plane.
Alright sounds perfect. I can't stand hearing people complain about airlines. Like can't we just be thankful that we're flying through the air at slightly less than the speed of sound? Yes, they're charging for baggage. Why? Because about every couple of years a new airline is going through some type of bankruptcy so maybe they need to be charging a bit more. Personally, I think baggage fees are wonderful. Let those who are taking up more jet fuel, pay a little bit more. It encourages people to not pack so heavy and saves the planet a little bit.
And honestly, it's a result of the market. Whoever was the first company to do baggage fees got to drop their ticket prices and probably started seeing more ticket sales even though in the end passengers were paying the same amount. So others followed. If passengers would have revolted against baggage fees then it wouldn't have happened because it's not like they all rolled it out the same week. If people stopped buying Delta when Delta put their baggage fees in, then it would never have spread.
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It encourages people to not pack so heavy and saves the planet a little bit.
No, it really doesn't. It encourages them to stuff it into a carry-on, so now it is nearly impossible to get overhead space on the plane and anyone in the last boarding (sometimes last two or even three) has to gate check a bag.
It used to be that about half the people boarding a plane needed the overhead bin, now it seems almost everyone does, and planes aren't built for that.
Drop ticket prices? Yeah- that hasn't happened.
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It encourages people to not pack so heavy and saves the planet a little bit.
No, it really doesn't. It encourages them to stuff it into a carry-on, so now it is nearly impossible to get overhead space on the plane and anyone in the last boarding (sometimes last two or even three) has to gate check a bag.
It used to be that about half the people boarding a plane needed the overhead bin, now it seems almost everyone does, and planes aren't built for that.
Drop ticket prices? Yeah- that hasn't happened.
I'd be happy to pay by weight. Just weigh me and my bags - OH, and weigh my 29 pound toddler and HIS bag.
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That's why I won't fly Southwest, because with the boarding the way it is and the lack of assigned seats, I can't find seats together for my family. If it were just one or two adults that would be one thing but I don't want to have to beg strangers to move so I can sit with my kids.
Pretty sure if you just go talk to the counter they'll let you board first. Seems like every time I fly Southwest the families are always getting on first. They even might just announce it with the Handicapped and military personnel.
Families board after the A group but before the B group (~60 people in) on Southwest. You can get seats together but it won't be in the front of the plane.
Alright sounds perfect. I can't stand hearing people complain about airlines. Like can't we just be thankful that we're flying through the air at slightly less than the speed of sound? Yes, they're charging for baggage. Why? Because about every couple of years a new airline is going through some type of bankruptcy so maybe they need to be charging a bit more. Personally, I think baggage fees are wonderful. Let those who are taking up more jet fuel, pay a little bit more. It encourages people to not pack so heavy and saves the planet a little bit.
And honestly, it's a result of the market. Whoever was the first company to do baggage fees got to drop their ticket prices and probably started seeing more ticket sales even though in the end passengers were paying the same amount. So others followed. If passengers would have revolted against baggage fees then it wouldn't have happened because it's not like they all rolled it out the same week. If people stopped buying Delta when Delta put their baggage fees in, then it would never have spread.
Baggage fees came about originally in around the 2008 timeframe when gas got really expensive, as a result of airlines having to pay higher fuel prices. They were presented as a fuel surcharge. I'm sure you've noticed gas prices have come waaaaay down, and baggage fees are still here.
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It encourages people to not pack so heavy and saves the planet a little bit.
No, it really doesn't. It encourages them to stuff it into a carry-on, so now it is nearly impossible to get overhead space on the plane and anyone in the last boarding (sometimes last two or even three) has to gate check a bag.
It used to be that about half the people boarding a plane needed the overhead bin, now it seems almost everyone does, and planes aren't built for that.
Drop ticket prices? Yeah- that hasn't happened.
I'd be happy to pay by weight. Just weigh me and my bags - OH, and weigh my 29 pound toddler and HIS bag.
Okay, but we're then going to allocate space the same way. I'm not a particularly fat dude, but I've got big arms and shoulders like an NFL linebacker. So I'm taking some shoulder space that you shrimps with the cheapo tickets aren't using.
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This might be relevant to the topic:
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2014/09/22/lessons-in-badassity-from-a-night-in-houston/
I thought about this article as I was sitting there - truthfully, it helped a little. My main complain(y pants)t was that United called their $7 pittance a "meal voucher" knowing full well that you can't even buy a ham and cheese sandwich in the airport for $7.
Last time I looked, I could at least get a moderate dose of fast food for that much, but it's definitely on the modest side. Even in my small regional airport, which runs cheap, a good breakfast would cost more than that.
Pro-tip for those flying through Atlanta: $7 will almost get you an entree at the Chipotle in concourse D (it might get closer to $8 after tax). So far, it's the only restaurant in there I've found that isn't marked up relative to non-airport locations. (Apparently, the starving African children business (http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/antimustachian-wall-of-shame-and-comedy/any-sandwich-that-costs-more-than-$12-should-be-legally-obligated-to-have-a-side/msg772492/#msg772492) (?!) is paying off.)
Also, the best airport breakfast is to go to Five Guys Burgers and Fries (also in concourse D) and order a fried egg sandwich with a burger patty (and the usual toppings, of course) added to it. It will also cost about $7, I think.
Great minds think alike! I eat at Chipotle every time.
In truth, there is a markup at the Chipotle in ATL. Outside of the airport, I get Barbacoa burritos for $7.70 in Atlanta. At the airport, it's $8.62. This may only apply to Barbacoa bowls, I'm not sure. I've never ordered anything else. My guess is that a chicken burrito, their cheapest burrito option, will cost you $8. So you'd be within a dollar of your $7 pittance of a meal voucher.
Not all of this markup is from Chipotle, because there is some extra sales tax. But that's only 1-2%, I can't remember.
Still though, considering how much food you get from Chipotle for the price (bowls generally get you more food than burritos, ask for a tortilla on the side if you want it, and I always ask for extra rice), this is my go to.
Furthermore, I buy Chipotle gc's at a 20% discount through various Amex offers when they show up ($10 off $50 at Office Depot, $10 off $50 at Lowe's, etc.). But that's orthogonal to the fact that Chipotle is already a cheap option for food at the airport (assuming you haven't brought your own food, which is of course the cheapest option).
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I'd be happy to pay by weight. Just weigh me and my bags - OH, and weigh my 29 pound toddler and HIS bag.
I'd go for that plan too.
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It encourages people to not pack so heavy and saves the planet a little bit.
No, it really doesn't. It encourages them to stuff it into a carry-on, so now it is nearly impossible to get overhead space on the plane and anyone in the last boarding (sometimes last two or even three) has to gate check a bag.
Yeah, this is going to be listed as another boo-hoo. You have to wait, what 3 minutes for your gate check bag to come up? You can just pull your tablet or magazine out before you gate-check it.
And yes, if they're having to carry it on then they're packing less, it has to fit in the little carry on bin or they will force you to check it and charge you more.
As for actually paying by weight, there's a limit to how low the discount can go because your 29 pound toddler still takes up a whole seat. Your 29 pound toddler isn't just a 29 pound toddler, he's also 1/146th of the total weight of the airplane. So they could price people by weight, but the savings would be minimal and there would also be an entire added cost of weight verification. Not to mention the legal battles that would likely ensue.
@Jaxk, the starving African children is a reference to their choice to no longer use GMOs, yes it's a little dramatic, but anyone (or company) refusing to use GMO's is doing a disservice to this planet and the people on it.
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Yeah, this is going to be listed as another boo-hoo. You have to wait, what 3 minutes for your gate check bag to come up? You can just pull your tablet or magazine out before you gate-check it.
I wish. I've missed connections because of slow gate check bags- waited 30 minutes once; typical is closer to 15. (Of course, at my airport anything with wheels gets gate checked; so I've given up my rollaboard entirely.)
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Baggage fees came about originally in around the 2008 timeframe when gas got really expensive, as a result of airlines having to pay higher fuel prices. They were presented as a fuel surcharge. I'm sure you've noticed gas prices have come waaaaay down, and baggage fees are still here.
Probably because they are a better pricing method. Sure, baggage fees are still here, but ticket prices are plummeting: http://bgr.com/2015/07/30/cheap-flights-prices-dropping-2015/ (http://bgr.com/2015/07/30/cheap-flights-prices-dropping-2015/) http://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/airline-fares-record-steepest-drop-20-years-declining-fuel-costs-n412461 (http://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/airline-fares-record-steepest-drop-20-years-declining-fuel-costs-n412461)
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Baggage fees came about originally in around the 2008 timeframe when gas got really expensive, as a result of airlines having to pay higher fuel prices. They were presented as a fuel surcharge. I'm sure you've noticed gas prices have come waaaaay down, and baggage fees are still here.
Probably because they are a better pricing method. Sure, baggage fees are still here, but ticket prices are plummeting: http://bgr.com/2015/07/30/cheap-flights-prices-dropping-2015/ (http://bgr.com/2015/07/30/cheap-flights-prices-dropping-2015/) http://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/airline-fares-record-steepest-drop-20-years-declining-fuel-costs-n412461 (http://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/airline-fares-record-steepest-drop-20-years-declining-fuel-costs-n412461)
Disagree they are better. Airlines should be incentivizing checked bags and charging for carryons. That would speed up boarding and improve on time rates.
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It encourages people to not pack so heavy and saves the planet a little bit.
No, it really doesn't. It encourages them to stuff it into a carry-on, so now it is nearly impossible to get overhead space on the plane and anyone in the last boarding (sometimes last two or even three) has to gate check a bag.
It used to be that about half the people boarding a plane needed the overhead bin, now it seems almost everyone does, and planes aren't built for that.
Drop ticket prices? Yeah- that hasn't happened.
I'd be happy to pay by weight. Just weigh me and my bags - OH, and weigh my 29 pound toddler and HIS bag.
Okay, but we're then going to allocate space the same way. I'm not a particularly fat dude, but I've got big arms and shoulders like an NFL linebacker. So I'm taking some shoulder space that you shrimps with the cheapo tickets aren't using.
Well, that already happens!
I always thought it was funny that I paid regular ticket price for a seat, but then had a big chunky dude next to me, and had to sit with his elbow in my side for a 6 hour flight.
But then that guy is paying the same amount as my 29 pound toddler.
OH, but you know, bags cost money.
So 29 pound toddler pays the same for a seat as the 300 lb dude.
But I have to pay $35 for my toddler's 15 pound luggage.
It's all set up for the airlines benefit. They charge you the max for space AND weight. They get you in space in the seats, and they get you in weight by the bags. Can't win either way.
Unless you are the chunky dude who pays for one seat but ends up encroaching into mine, then you win!
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It encourages people to not pack so heavy and saves the planet a little bit.
No, it really doesn't. It encourages them to stuff it into a carry-on, so now it is nearly impossible to get overhead space on the plane and anyone in the last boarding (sometimes last two or even three) has to gate check a bag.
It used to be that about half the people boarding a plane needed the overhead bin, now it seems almost everyone does, and planes aren't built for that.
Drop ticket prices? Yeah- that hasn't happened.
I'd be happy to pay by weight. Just weigh me and my bags - OH, and weigh my 29 pound toddler and HIS bag.
Okay, but we're then going to allocate space the same way. I'm not a particularly fat dude, but I've got big arms and shoulders like an NFL linebacker. So I'm taking some shoulder space that you shrimps with the cheapo tickets aren't using.
Well, that already happens!
I always thought it was funny that I paid regular ticket price for a seat, but then had a big chunky dude next to me, and had to sit with his elbow in my side for a 6 hour flight.
But then that guy is paying the same amount as my 29 pound toddler.
OH, but you know, bags cost money.
So 29 pound toddler pays the same for a seat as the 300 lb dude.
But I have to pay $35 for my toddler's 15 pound luggage.
It's all set up for the airlines benefit. They charge you the max for space AND weight. They get you in space in the seats, and they get you in weight by the bags. Can't win either way.
Unless you are the chunky dude who pays for one seat but ends up encroaching into mine, then you win!
Can you not read? I'm not chunky. I have extremely broad shoulders. I took up more than the allotted space when I was a high school XC runner weighing 145lbs.
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Baggage fees came about originally in around the 2008 timeframe when gas got really expensive, as a result of airlines having to pay higher fuel prices. They were presented as a fuel surcharge. I'm sure you've noticed gas prices have come waaaaay down, and baggage fees are still here.
Probably because they are a better pricing method. Sure, baggage fees are still here, but ticket prices are plummeting: http://bgr.com/2015/07/30/cheap-flights-prices-dropping-2015/ (http://bgr.com/2015/07/30/cheap-flights-prices-dropping-2015/) http://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/airline-fares-record-steepest-drop-20-years-declining-fuel-costs-n412461 (http://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/airline-fares-record-steepest-drop-20-years-declining-fuel-costs-n412461)
Disagree they are better. Airlines should be incentivizing checked bags and charging for carryons. That would speed up boarding and improve on time rates.
Ignoring the fact that you just moved the goalposts on me and that charging for carry-ons is still a baggage fee.
It would lead to increased costs in multiple areas: fuel from increased weights, more baggage workers, more lost baggage delivery costs.
Data regarding how much faster boarding would help delays is difficult to determine because "slow boarding" is just lumped into a bigger group of "carrier delay" which includes everything from pilots not being there to MX issues to baggage problems, but I'm fairly confident that it isn't a major factor due to the lackadaisical nature of boarding. If it was the key factor in "carrier dealys" they wouldn't be fussing with Diamond Plus and Priority Boarding and just get people on the planes.
At the end of the day, cheap tickets are king and that's why baggage fees are going to continue to remain because customers only look at sticker price and it also allows for price discrimination which almost always increases revenue.
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OH, but you know, bags cost money.
So 29 pound toddler pays the same for a seat as the 300 lb dude.
But I have to pay $35 for my toddler's 15 pound luggage.
Can you check the toddler ? - if they are under 30lbs
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It encourages people to not pack so heavy and saves the planet a little bit.
No, it really doesn't. It encourages them to stuff it into a carry-on, so now it is nearly impossible to get overhead space on the plane and anyone in the last boarding (sometimes last two or even three) has to gate check a bag.
It used to be that about half the people boarding a plane needed the overhead bin, now it seems almost everyone does, and planes aren't built for that.
Drop ticket prices? Yeah- that hasn't happened.
I'd be happy to pay by weight. Just weigh me and my bags - OH, and weigh my 29 pound toddler and HIS bag.
Okay, but we're then going to allocate space the same way. I'm not a particularly fat dude, but I've got big arms and shoulders like an NFL linebacker. So I'm taking some shoulder space that you shrimps with the cheapo tickets aren't using.
Well, that already happens!
I always thought it was funny that I paid regular ticket price for a seat, but then had a big chunky dude next to me, and had to sit with his elbow in my side for a 6 hour flight.
But then that guy is paying the same amount as my 29 pound toddler.
OH, but you know, bags cost money.
So 29 pound toddler pays the same for a seat as the 300 lb dude.
But I have to pay $35 for my toddler's 15 pound luggage.
It's all set up for the airlines benefit. They charge you the max for space AND weight. They get you in space in the seats, and they get you in weight by the bags. Can't win either way.
Unless you are the chunky dude who pays for one seat but ends up encroaching into mine, then you win!
Can you not read? I'm not chunky. I have extremely broad shoulders. I took up more than the allotted space when I was a high school XC runner weighing 145lbs.
I wasn't referring to "you" you, just the "general" you.
I barely fit in the seats sometimes, and I'm 5'2" with short legs. If the person in front of me reclines their seat and I'm in the last row (happens often enough), the seat touches my knees.
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Ok ok, I love mayo. If it's too boring for your sandwich, try mixing some stuff in it! I like to mix in minced garlic, pepper, chili powder, A1, or italian dressing .... your mix may vary (he ymmv)! And if it gets to runny from italian dressing, than just thicken it with some parmesean cheese. I make it in a tupperware container and use it for a couple of days. Mmmmm.
Mayo's not too boring. It's just nasty and oily and plasticky and odd ... along with a strange aftertaste. I hate the stuff.
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Personally, I don't think we should have laws and government stepping in here.
Ensure it is safe. Ensure what's advertised is what's delivered. That's about all the laws we need for sandwiches, IMO.
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I barely fit in the seats sometimes, and I'm 5'2" with short legs. If the person in front of me reclines their seat and I'm in the last row (happens often enough), the seat touches my knees.
I've noticed this more since the "economy plus" thing started. I sit in regular economy. I'm 5'0". If I feel like my legs are cramped, how the hell can anyone else manage? (I'm also generally uncomfortable because my feet don't reach the ground, and sitting with your legs dangling, or having to point your toes to hit the ground is really painful after a few hours. I try to prop them on my backpack, but I really need an airplane footrest. Buses have them.) Thankfully the actual SEAT has plenty of room from arm rest to hip, as I usually end up sharing that with the large person beside me. I have empathy for them, but I want full length dividers! It's MY seat. But if they don't smell bad, I do usually let them put the arm rest up and encroach more comfortably.
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Thanks! When I think of sandwiches, I've usually gotten sliced pepper jack cheese, a slice meat of some variety. I just don't know what spread to use, I don't really like mayo. What do you think will go well with it?
Mustard if it's ham and cheese. BBQ sauce if it's beef.
Any suggestions besides BBQ? I'm not a huge fan of it. I've tried putting Frank's but it isn't really a good sauce for sandwiches. For the time being I'll likely pass on sandwiches and just make something in the slow cooker Sunday night for most of my lunches during the week.
I'm a mustard man myself. Horseradish sauce?
I'll chime in with Hoisin Sauce + Chili garlic sauce for a more Ban Mi type flavor. This is better with shredded chicken or pork than deli meat because salty sauce + salty deli meat is too much.
Sauteed onions sort of mashed up a bit with oil and vinegar also brings some moisture if you aren't a fan of the standard condiments.
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Thanks! When I think of sandwiches, I've usually gotten sliced pepper jack cheese, a slice meat of some variety. I just don't know what spread to use, I don't really like mayo. What do you think will go well with it?
Mustard if it's ham and cheese. BBQ sauce if it's beef.
Any suggestions besides BBQ? I'm not a huge fan of it. I've tried putting Frank's but it isn't really a good sauce for sandwiches. For the time being I'll likely pass on sandwiches and just make something in the slow cooker Sunday night for most of my lunches during the week.
I'm a mustard man myself. Horseradish sauce?
I'll chime in with Hoisin Sauce + Chili garlic sauce for a more Ban Mi type flavor. This is better with shredded chicken or pork than deli meat because salty sauce + salty deli meat is too much.
Sauteed onions sort of mashed up a bit with oil and vinegar also brings some moisture if you aren't a fan of the standard condiments.
These all sound good. But I'm always surprised how few north americans put (british-style) chutney into their meat sandwiches. A red chutney (tomatoes, raisins, vinegar, sugar, garlic, brown spices, chili, long slow cook) is made for cold meat or cheese.
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Except for the raisins, and with red/green sweet pepper added, that is my family hamburger relish recipe.
These all sound good. But I'm always surprised how few north americans put (british-style) chutney into their meat sandwiches. A red chutney (tomatoes, raisins, vinegar, sugar, garlic, brown spices, chili, long slow cook) is made for cold meat or cheese.