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YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« on: July 15, 2013, 10:16:38 PM »
So I had never heard of youneedabudget.com until a few days ago on this forum, I mentioned it to my wife and she was all for it, I wasn't convinced since we already have 40% of our very modest gross income being saved on autopilot and we generally don't spend on frivolous things. Well, yesterday a fellow poster mentioned that YNAB was only $14.99 on another platform I'd never heard of (Steam) for the next few hours.  I clicked on the link with 18 minutes to go and thought to myself "we were probably going to do it anyway and if I can get for $15 today versus $60 later, sounds like a good deal." 

Already I'm second guessing this decision.  First, the whole issue with Steam is really driving me up the wall.  I can't open up the YNAB application on my computer without going through Steam, and honestly, I don't want a Steam account at all much less on my computer at all times.  Secondly, I had not realized that you have to manually input all of your transactions to keep it up to date.  Granted, this is my mistake for not looking into it enough before buying it but I was under the impression you could sync your accounts like Mint does, which is exactly the reason I started using Mint in the first place 3+ years ago because I had failed numerous times at DIY Excel spreadsheet budgets.  Thirdly, while the YNAB founder's heart seems to be in the right place, I'm already perturbed by the Anti-Mustachianism of the introductory email asking if I'll be saving money for a fancy vacation or to buy a new TV. 

I want to give this thing a solid effort but it's already feeling like more trouble than it is worth. 

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2013, 10:32:15 PM »
YNAB has a 34 day trial period. You could see if you can get your money back from Steam
and try it through the usual channels. I believe YNAB doesn't do returns because of this trial period.

Honestly, it does not sync like Mint does, purposely. You can import your transactions but it doesn't do it for you. I don't care what the founder says I use my YNAB for whatever I want. I don't see how a statement about a vacation or a new TV has anything to do with the product, which you can use for your own purposes.

For us (my husband especially since all he has to do is put in the transaction when he spends money) it is not much trouble and whatever trouble it is is worth it because we went from saving 40% of our income to about 60% in two years. Having added a child and taken a paycut during that time. I call that a success. I know some people for whom it would not work at all.

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2013, 10:42:00 PM »
Sorry you've had such a negative experience so far. I can imagine the whole Steam situation being very frustrating. I was recently disappointed myself, since I just purchase YNAB last month, and this month they released it on the Mac App Store at an introductory price of $40.

However, all that being said, I have been supremely satisfied with YNAB thus far. I've been searching for a good budgeting tool for a while now, and this seems to fit the bill quite nicely. The learning curve was a little steep in a couple areas, but their help resources are superb.

Now that I have the hang of it, it's very easy to keep up with the transactions, and it's one of the first tools I've used that has made it easy to carry over balances on the budgets to the next month. I also really like that they push you to budget based on your income from the previous month.

I'm a web developer, and I had actually begun building a budgeting tool of my own, but after giving YNAB a try, I've realized I no longer need to, because it does everything I need right now.

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2013, 11:02:29 PM »
I have been a YNAB user for about six months now. For me, it was exactly what I was looking for.

I can help with the Steam issue. It would drive me up the wall to have to use YNAB through Steam. Go to the YNAB website, and download the trial version, if you haven't already. Here's a link to the download.

http://www.youneedabudget.com/download/ynab4

Open up YNAB in Steam, and click Help->About->Copy Activation Key to Clipboard. Close out Steam, and open your trial version. The Steam Key will activate your YNAB 4 trial software. Bang. No more Steam in the mix!

Do you have an Android phone, or iPhone? If so, be sure to check out the mobile apps. It takes mere seconds to enter a transaction through a phone, and syncs up immediately with everything else if you have Dropbox set up.

Best of luck friend. YNAB may just grow on you once you free it from Steam!

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2013, 11:11:10 PM »
It may also be partly psychological - had you paid the full price (or close), you'd value it more.. Since you got it cheap, you value it less.

Keeping that in mind, give it a genuine shot, with Jah's excellent tip to free your computer from Steam.  :)
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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2013, 10:41:34 AM »
I don't care what the founder says I use my YNAB for whatever I want. I don't see how a statement about a vacation or a new TV has anything to do with the product, which you can use for your own purposes.

True, just one of those things though, I could feel the urge to scream "No you fools!" when there was a statement about saving 15% for retirement! 

Now that I have the hang of it, it's very easy to keep up with the transactions, and it's one of the first tools I've used that has made it easy to carry over balances on the budgets to the next month. I also really like that they push you to budget based on your income from the previous month.

I hope so!

Open up YNAB in Steam, and click Help->About->Copy Activation Key to Clipboard. Close out Steam, and open your trial version. The Steam Key will activate your YNAB 4 trial software. Bang. No more Steam in the mix!

Now this is what I was really hoping for when I made this post.  I'll try that out this evening.  Logging in to my work computer again this morning 3 Steam windows all started running at the same time.  Incredibly frustrating. 

Keeping that in mind, give it a genuine shot, with Jah's excellent tip to free your computer from Steam.  :)

Agreed, plus I know I do have the bad habit of double counting money and as much as I'd like to think I don't need a budget, I know I do. 

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2013, 11:03:13 AM »
Sounds like your steam question was answered.

I just wanted to add that you can import your transactions. It's pretty easy to do.


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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2013, 11:20:09 AM »
It may also be partly psychological - had you paid the full price (or close), you'd value it more.. Since you got it cheap, you value it less.


It makes me so happy to see lessons applied from the Mustachian Book Club in posts like this! Yay!

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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2013, 11:28:27 AM »
From what it looked like when I tried it out briefly, you can input bank statements through YNAB and it will log it all for you.  Now granted that is a 1 time a month thing and requires you to manually input all other information over the month if you want a good view of your budget as you go.  After using both YNAB and Mint, I will say I have much more use and desire to use mint as it allows me to do the bare minimum.

There was a time when YNAB would have been perfect for my needs.  I remember a year ago looking for a MS Money like program that would have the same features as it seemed MS Money was no longer under development.  I stumbled onto Mint shortly after and even when I forget to look at it for a couple weeks or a month I know when I log on everything will be up to date with no issues.

All in all it comes down to personal preference and what you want out of the program.  Many people have great things to say about YNAB so I'd recommend that you don't dismiss the idea of using the program to prematurely.

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2013, 11:29:53 AM »
Funny that someone could ever ask for a refund on something that offers a 34 day free trial...

And something that is absolutely so useful & positive... There are no drawbacks, no downsides...

If you don't like YNAB, you're too lazy to input your own spending.  Bottom line.  And you should have known that before you purchased.

My two cents :)

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2013, 11:32:36 AM »
Funny that someone could ever ask for a refund on something that offers a 34 day free trial...

And something that is absolutely so useful & positive... There are no drawbacks, no downsides...

If you don't like YNAB, you're too lazy to input your own spending.  Bottom line.  And you should have known that before you purchased.

My two cents :)

1) He didn't get a free trial, because he bought it on a sale and was purchasing based on word of mouth.  You can argue that he should have waited, done the trial, and paid more, but he was willing to risk it based on the good things he had heard, and then he was disappointed.

2) The only reason one might not like it is because they're lazy?  People can't just have different tastes?  Really?
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2013, 11:43:50 AM »


2) The only reason one might not like it is because they're lazy?  People can't just have different tastes?  Really?

You really like to pick my posts apart, eh?  I like the dedication & focused treatment!

There are no better options for budgeting than YNAB.  If you bought YNAB for something else, that's the buyers mistake.  YNAB stands for "You Need A Budget", so if anyone expects it to do investing, they're mistaken.  Find a *better* budgeting program, and I'll agree that they could have purchased that instead...

But as it sits, in my opinion, nobody can have buyers remorse for buying the best budget program available.

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2013, 11:51:16 AM »
You really like to pick my posts apart, eh?

Don't take it personally, I generally don't even look at the username when I post.  I especially don't remember people without avatars; can't keep them straight without a picture.

If you feel your posts are getting picked apart a lot, that probably says to me that past me noticed something about the accuracy of your statements relative to everyone else's here.
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2013, 11:57:37 AM »
Truth.

I'm only 50% mustachian, but 100% opinionated.

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2013, 12:26:31 PM »
There are no better options for budgeting than YNAB.  If you bought YNAB for something else, that's the buyers mistake.  YNAB stands for "You Need A Budget", so if anyone expects it to do investing, they're mistaken.  Find a *better* budgeting program, and I'll agree that they could have purchased that instead...

But as it sits, in my opinion, nobody can have buyers remorse for buying the best budget program available.

Says the dude with a "save 10% on YNAB" link in his signature.

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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2013, 12:32:36 PM »
Truth.

I'm only 50% mustachian, but 100% opinionated.

Awesome. I like that attitude.  :)

Now work on flipping the percentages. 
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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2013, 01:14:10 PM »
It may also be partly psychological - had you paid the full price (or close), you'd value it more.. Since you got it cheap, you value it less.


It makes me so happy to see lessons applied from the Mustachian Book Club in posts like this! Yay!

Haha. I thought the same thing! Go ARS!

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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2013, 01:33:18 PM »
Give it more time.

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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2013, 03:19:09 PM »


Says the dude with a "save 10% on YNAB" link in his signature.

Hey, if you've never bought something, loved it, and told others, then you suck at buying.

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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2013, 09:22:41 PM »
The Steam hack worked like a charm and took all of 2 minutes and Steam is officially off my computer and YNAB up and synced.  Thanks for your help! 

We're gonna give it a serious go.  Already feeling better about it. 

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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2013, 10:10:34 PM »
  I stumbled onto Mint shortly after and even when I forget to look at it for a couple weeks or a month I know when I log on everything will be up to date with no issues.

I don't remember ever opening up Mint and having no issues.  It always surprises me when I read that it actually does work for some people.  I'd always get things that were miscategorized, doubled up, missing, not updated, etc. and it wasn't worth the hassles (even for free).

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« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2013, 10:16:43 PM »
  I stumbled onto Mint shortly after and even when I forget to look at it for a couple weeks or a month I know when I log on everything will be up to date with no issues.

I don't remember ever opening up Mint and having no issues.  It always surprises me when I read that it actually does work for some people.  I'd always get things that were miscategorized, doubled up, missing, not updated, etc. and it wasn't worth the hassles (even for free).

Mine has maybe 2-3 mistakes every 2-3 weeks.. I update it about once/week, and the median week has no mistakes, once it was "trained" (that is, once you've labeled transactions as certain things, it learns from that and does it subsequently).

Definitely worth the minor maintenance I put in (about 3 minutes once/week to scan through and note that everything is fine).

I can't see using something that had me logging every transaction, so without Mint I'd literally have no idea how much I spent on groceries, fast food, electricity, etc.

I'm okay with that - if Mint shut down or went to a price I was unwilling to pay, I'd just not know.  But I'd rather know, especially given it's a free service.

But yes, I have heard many people have had lots of issues.  At times in the past I have as well (duplicate transactions, etc.), but it's been very smooth for at least a year.
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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2013, 10:54:54 PM »
I would recommend giving it a shot and posting on the ynab forums if you have questions. The boards there are very helpful and will spell everything out for you if you need it. Often times ynab requires a different way of thinking about budgeting and planning, so be flexible and open, and give it a true effort (at least a few months) before dismissing it.

Most users feel how you do when they start ynab, and it usually only takes a few months to be hooked and not know how to operate any other way.

To arebelspy, it really can be pretty automated. I'm assuming you spend relatively little money, and most of your transactions are automated. For me, I sit down once a month at the end of the month to reconcile my accounts to the statement, set my budget for the next month, and enter any of my scheduled transactions for next month into the budget. This takes about ten minutes once per month.

I have their mobile phone app, so transactions are entered at the point of sale. 20 seconds per transaction. Once you have entered a location, it will automatically fill the account and category for future purchases. Only requiring you to update the amount. Very minimal amount of time if someone has minimal purchases.

If someone does not have a smart phone, they can save their receipts and enter transactions that way. Once a day, or even once a week, you could sit down and enter the transactions with minimal time. Once you start typing the payee, you can autofill the category, memo, and even amount. This could take only a few minutes, probably comparable to what it takes to review mint.

Keep in mind, the more up to date your budget is, the more accurate your budget is. Ynabs major benefit is to allow users to make spending decisions based on their category balances, which are filled with money they already have. Most people spend money in anticipation of their expected income, but don't plan for all their expenses. Most people on this forum are probably not like the vast majority of people though.

Additionally, one could setup pocket sense to import all your accounts for you. This requires you to enter a PIN number for access and then your transactions are imported. Review as necessary, similar to mint.

Personally, I record transactions at the point of sale to make sure my budget category balances are accurate for spending decisions. Then I have pocket sense import my transactions to make sure I did not miss anything and ultimately reconcile my account. Once per month, I make sure that my balance agrees to what my bank says. (It always does)

I've been using ynab for almost six years now and have seen the impact it had on myself personally. I used to use an approach similar to mint where I just made sure my account had enough funds to cover my expenses that I was incurring on my credit card in the current month and what was due. My approach failed in that I was not anticipating enough into the future.

It's certainly possible if someone has enough income, existing funds, and planning capabilities to use mint and be fine. I could not imagine not using ynab for the forward looking side of things. I would have been in relatively good shape without ynab, however, I think I am in a better position as a result of using ynab.

I agree with gostumpy that the only reason to not like ynab is that one is too lazy to enter their own transactions. Ynab does a much better job about making a budget and plan for the future than any other financial software out there.

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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2013, 11:13:57 PM »
I missed the flash sale, but downloaded the YNAB free trial, and so far I like it; with a few exceptions.

Some background: my wife and I have kept every track of every transaction manually in a spreadsheet for the last 8 years (9 including my spreadsheet before we were married). YNAB looks almost like the model we adopted - forecasts for the upcoming months (through the calendar year), and then accurate data as the transactions start coming in. None of this "you get cut off from spending if you spend too much" silliness; just estimates as accurate as possible until you know the real data and then track things exactly and re-estimate as necessary. Our budget isn't there to enforce mustachian philosophies, it's a tool for planning and tracking the execution of those philosophies. (That's my opinion anyway.)

Anyway, YNAB seems to do things the same way, but unlike my spreadsheet it can import all of my transactions for me (well, really for my wife!) We used to spend hours each month manually entering everything from multiple credit cards and bank accounts into our spreadsheet. I was able to start the program and set everything up with all accounts and transactions for July in less than an hour. Every time I've tried to reboot our spreadsheet to make data entry easier, it's take days, and by that time we have more transactions to update.

The budget view is exactly the way I think about our money (except for the "Balance" column, it's easy enough to see if outflows doesn't match the budget, i don't need the extra subtraction taking up space). I don't necessarily like that I can't forecast income. I'm not interested in "living off last months paycheck". I'm interested in giving every dollar a job, so I'd like to know how many workers I expect to see each month. While I think rule 4 (live on last month's income) is good for people struggling their spending, for people in control of their finances that's just money wasting away in a no-interest checking account.

It's not all roses, though.

The pie charts for most of the graphs are not how I think. I'd prefer stacked line graphs over time. I want to see how I'm improving, I'm less interested in my allocation per category (that's a simple operation to perform on a 5 function calculator). I also like year-over-year graphs for specific categories I'm focusing on optimizing; easy to make in a spreadsheet, difficult when you're data is locked in a program. The exported CSV strips out so much data (it doesn't even include categories), that it's not something that could be round-tripped easily.

While my bank, online savings, and credit cards let me download QXFs and YNAB does a great job importing them and pattern matching them, my brokerages and Lending Club do not provide data in a format YNAB can import.

YNAB also calculates net worth differently than I do. I consider a mortgage a negative value, but I also include the estimated value of the property the mortgage is attached to. Since I'm not underwater, between my house and mortgage I have a positive net worth. Since YNAB doesn't consider the property value (or other non-monetary assets). I'll probably keep tracking network in my spreadsheet since it's easy enough to total.

When adding scheduled transfers, the scheduled item only shows up under the account it was originally created from, even if you are transferring from another account internally.

I never signed up for Mint primarily because I'm not interested in giving all of my financial information to a third party. Say what you will about how they can use the information, etc. There are far too many privacy leaks each year for me to trust one company with access to all of my financial data. That's between me, my wife, and our will. Since I don't have a mint account, I can't compare.

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2013, 11:46:15 PM »
The budget view is exactly the way I think about our money (except for the "Balance" column, it's easy enough to see if outflows doesn't match the budget, i don't need the extra subtraction taking up space). I don't necessarily like that I can't forecast income. I'm not interested in "living off last months paycheck". I'm interested in giving every dollar a job, so I'd like to know how many workers I expect to see each month. While I think rule 4 (live on last month's income) is good for people struggling their spending, for people in control of their finances that's just money wasting away in a no-interest checking account.

The money that is serving the purpose of your buffer does not have to be sitting there wasting away in a no-interest checking account. Personally, I keep an amount I feel comfortable with in my checking account, and put the rest into my brokerage account. Both accounts are on YNAB, and included in my budget. Therefore, my budget categories reflect reality. I do have a category where all my extra funds go, and the balance could absorb any losses incurred in my brokerage account in the month. But, ultimately, you do not have to tie category balances to account balances with YNAB. You budget money to your category balances, make spending decisions based on your category balances. Then determine which account you want to hold the money in. You could have all that money in one account, or you could use a credit card for purchases, keep any extra in a high-interest earning account, and only push just what you need to your checking account each month. It's up to you.

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The pie charts for most of the graphs are not how I think. I'd prefer stacked line graphs over time. I want to see how I'm improving, I'm less interested in my allocation per category (that's a simple operation to perform on a 5 function calculator). I also like year-over-year graphs for specific categories I'm focusing on optimizing; easy to make in a spreadsheet, difficult when you're data is locked in a program. The exported CSV strips out so much data (it doesn't even include categories), that it's not something that could be round-tripped easily.

The reports leave a lot to be desired. Agreed.

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While my bank, online savings, and credit cards let me download QXFs and YNAB does a great job importing them and pattern matching them, my brokerages and Lending Club do not provide data in a format YNAB can import.

True. I just update my investment accounts once per month, and record the gain/loss to a specific category where all my "Future" dollars are budgeted to.

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YNAB also calculates net worth differently than I do. I consider a mortgage a negative value, but I also include the estimated value of the property the mortgage is attached to. Since I'm not underwater, between my house and mortgage I have a positive net worth. Since YNAB doesn't consider the property value (or other non-monetary assets). I'll probably keep tracking network in my spreadsheet since it's easy enough to total.

You could setup off-budget accounts for all non-monetary assets if you wanted to.

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When adding scheduled transfers, the scheduled item only shows up under the account it was originally created from, even if you are transferring from another account internally.

This has been recommended and it sounds like it will eventually get added to the software. Agreed.

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2013, 06:55:33 AM »
  I stumbled onto Mint shortly after and even when I forget to look at it for a couple weeks or a month I know when I log on everything will be up to date with no issues.

I don't remember ever opening up Mint and having no issues.  It always surprises me when I read that it actually does work for some people.  I'd always get things that were miscategorized, doubled up, missing, not updated, etc. and it wasn't worth the hassles (even for free).

I use YNAB and Mint. Mint is always giving me issues. Over time, fewer and fewer of my accounts sync to Mint. Customer support is terrible, and once there's an issue with an account syncing, they rarely ever get it fixed (a lot of these accounts simply refuse Mint access and since Mint apparently has no negotiating power, the account is gone for good from Mint). No cards from GE Capital will sync (not that I use them all that much--but it would be nice if they could sync on the off chance I do). Latest casualty--my TSP account. Mint stopped showing the correct balance yesterday, so my retirement accounts look pathetic on Mint. I went over to the Check app (which does something similar to Mint, although it is primarily to check account balances rather than budget) and Check accurately shows my TSP.

Mostly, I use Mint to check on when transactions clear, or when they post, so I can mark them cleared on YNAB. Before YNAB, when I tried to use it as a budget app, it wasn't for me. It focuses on only one month at a time; YNAB makes you think about the future.

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2013, 07:50:31 AM »
If you have a smart phone, you must get the YNAB app.  Then you can just spend 5 seconds to log your purchase when you make it.  And you can also review your budget to see if you have the money allocated for specific purchases. 

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2013, 04:49:26 PM »
I'm a fan of automation. I like Mint and check it regularly. I did the trial for YNAB but used it just for tracking spending. I'm not really into making budgets so I'm not utilizing it they way it was meant to be used. I would import statements from my bank. That seemed fine. I could definitely not get into inputting all my transactions manually if I had to. YNAB at $15 is great though.

Now only if my bank could get me real time updates on my banking and credit card transactions...

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2013, 07:02:02 PM »
It's been a week and I'll admit that it's gotten much better and uploading our transactions is not nearly the burden I originally felt it was going to be because I can do it right there on my iphone.  Question for you all with more YNAB experience though---how do you all account for transactions you put on a credit card?  I got gas today and put it on my Discover card because this quarter Discover is offering 5% cash back on fuel purchases, but we didn't add our credit cards as accounts in YNAB, just our checking accounts.  I added the transaction as if it came from my checking account and will just go ahead and pay it this week when it clears but I'm interested to see how everyone else deals with this. 

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2013, 07:40:24 PM »
I just have the credit cards as accounts.  We don't carry a balance month to month, but it just seems clearer to me to record how we actually paid even if it comes out of checking in the end.  When we pay the credit card off at the end of the month, we just enter the amount paid as a balance transfer from the checking account.

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2013, 07:49:29 PM »
I just have the credit cards as accounts.  We don't carry a balance month to month, but it just seems clearer to me to record how we actually paid even if it comes out of checking in the end.  When we pay the credit card off at the end of the month, we just enter the amount paid as a balance transfer from the checking account.

Yup. Setup an account for each credit card that you use.

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2013, 07:53:12 PM »
+1 to what Eva said.

One thing that I find odd with Mustachians who are also YNABers are the people who complain about the hassles of manually entering "all those transactions."  Maybe as a Mustachian there shouldn't be quite so many transactions to enter?

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2013, 09:19:25 PM »
+1 to what Eva said.

One thing that I find odd with Mustachians who are also YNABers are the people who complain about the hassles of manually entering "all those transactions."  Maybe as a Mustachian there shouldn't be quite so many transactions to enter?

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2013, 07:17:37 AM »
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I could definitely not get into inputting all my transactions manually if I had to.

See, for me - this is a must.  We're working to get our savings up and our spending down, but we're comfortable enough to where a few dollars here and there are easy to "lose" in the shuffle, but if I have to put everything in by hand, I KNOW I will see everything that is happening. 

I find that if I try and use automated entry (or try to use a tool like MINT for more than simple "big picture" views of things) that it is too easy for little things to slip through the cracks - and I find that when I don't hit savings goals I want, it is almost always due to a handful or more of the little things rather than 1-2 big ticket items.

That's just what works for me, however.

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Re: YNAB -- Buyer's Remorse?!
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2013, 10:11:32 AM »
I have accounts in YNAB for each CC.


For me, since I don't spend much YNAB is a breeze to use and not time consuming at all.  It takes 30 seconds to record a transaction in my iPhone.

Then on the 1st of the month, I enter in all of the auto payments I have for my bills.  And I go through my CC and bank statements to see if there are any other transactions that I missed.  I clear all transactions that need to be cleared.  Then I do the budget for that month.  All of that only takes 15 minutes or so.  Mostly I just try and find opportunities to allocate more money to investments.