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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #50 on: August 19, 2015, 07:00:40 AM »
I've had grey in my hair since my twenties, and I'm a brunette.  Lately it's really noticeable around my temples.  I don't like all-over permanent color because it's high-maintenance and there's a line where it grows out; so my solution has been to get blond partial highlights (crown and sides) every few months.  It blends in fine with the grey and I can let it go for ages without it looking odd.

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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #51 on: August 19, 2015, 09:55:22 AM »
Just a note, if you're brunette/grey and you color, there are root touch-up kits available at the grocery store for around $7. I use one about every three or four weeks in between going to the salon. There's no reason to have to go to the salon every three weeks if you don't want to. They work great and definitely extend the time period I can do in between salon visits.

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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #52 on: August 19, 2015, 12:44:19 PM »
Well, I think I'm leaning towards buying yet another package of hair dye. Grumble, grumble... superficial double standard. At least I'm happy with the look of my dyed hair, if not for all the sexist reasons behind doing it (even on my own part, for preferring the look).

And I think I'll be redoubling my efforts to (sometimes) interrupt people, talk louder, and, speak before I've fully thought something out. None of which comes naturally to me, especially the interrupting, and all of which seems to be seen as the kind of assertive, confident, go-getter approach that's rewarded. And that bothers me, too, since it's just taking on a more stereotypically male persona. Somehow, I think it's a no-win... nice polite girl meaningless girl if you meekly follow your gender role, and a pain-in-the-ass troublemaker if you speak up. I'd rather be a troublemaker, but damn am I ever feeling invisible today.

Heather, I don't believe that your remarks about sexism are justified. Also, why are you stating that it is a double standard, you are the one imposing this on yourself.

I personally could not care less what color the hair of my female colleagues are. I expect from them the same level of excellence that I expect from myself. This is the benchmark through which all shall be judged!


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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2015, 01:43:24 PM »
I think part of the problem is that women, unlike most men, assume that when things aren't going as they would like them to in their professional or personal relationships, that they (women) are some how at fault. They often feel that somehow they are doing something wrong and take the blame for being ignored, talked over, given lesser jobs, BF's or friend's anger or meanness, etc... - and that it must somehow be related to their appearance (too old, too young, too pretty, too ugly, too fat, too thin) or their mannerisms (too nice, too mean, too quiet, too loud, too meek, too aggressive) when really it's none of those things. It's just the co-worker's (or SO's or friend's) fault.

Men rarely if ever assume that the reason they are interrupted or talked over or have mad GF's is because of their looks or mannerisms or anything they have done. They assume (rightly imho) that the it's the "other" person's fault for being rude and/or causing the problem. They don't worry about trying to "fix" themselves like women often do, but rather to confront the person who's causing the problem. As in "hey dude don't interrupt me when I'm talking" or "hey it's Bob's fault things got screwed up not mine".  Having worked in blue collar fields all my life with only men I see this in action all the time. Never have seen a guy worry that the reason they aren't being treated fair/equally is because of their appearance or mannerisms. Or that they need to change in anyway to make others treat them differently. At least not to the extent that many women do. Of course sexism does exist in the work place but I don't think changing your hair color or wearing a certain type of shoe is going to make that change.

Thank you for the explanation, what you say makes sense. :)

Through discussions with my colleagues (mostly female), I often hear that they are victim of office politics drama and I am suprised to learn that I am also victim of it, unbeknownst to me. I like to focus on what I have to do and I leave the divining to the card reader.

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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2015, 10:04:10 PM »
Hi, everyone. This is a really good thread.

My story: I have naturally mousy brown hair which to amuse myself I've always highlighted blonde, or dyed dark brown (or both). Now 42, with some old blond streaks growing out (about three inches of regrowth) the grey is now coming in more noticeably but is still only about 10%. I expect the greying rate to pick up much faster from now on.

I henceforth am going to leave it. I think the silver is prettier than the mouse, and the paleness of the grey strands coming through has a similar brightening effect to highlights. FWIW my skin is pale but not very ruddy - it is not exactly olive, but is on the way - I have never had freckles, for instance.

I am a self-employed business consultant. There is no mileage in my trying to look younger. I happened to mention my age at work the other day and the number of people who fell on the floor in disbelief was exactly zero!


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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #55 on: August 19, 2015, 10:09:46 PM »
@Boganvillia - love your name (westie?) AND your tagline. Like your idea on the hair too.

I have decided to go from short dark brunette to short light brown with blonde streaks and it is my mums birthday present to me. Hopefully after this I will be able to grow in my grey unnoticed. Or if not, I shall colour the grey blonde but not so frequently.

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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #56 on: August 19, 2015, 10:18:40 PM »
Well, I think I'm leaning towards buying yet another package of hair dye. Grumble, grumble... superficial double standard. At least I'm happy with the look of my dyed hair, if not for all the sexist reasons behind doing it (even on my own part, for preferring the look).

And I think I'll be redoubling my efforts to (sometimes) interrupt people, talk louder, and, speak before I've fully thought something out. None of which comes naturally to me, especially the interrupting, and all of which seems to be seen as the kind of assertive, confident, go-getter approach that's rewarded. And that bothers me, too, since it's just taking on a more stereotypically male persona. Somehow, I think it's a no-win... nice polite girl meaningless girl if you meekly follow your gender role, and a pain-in-the-ass troublemaker if you speak up. I'd rather be a troublemaker, but damn am I ever feeling invisible today.

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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #57 on: August 19, 2015, 11:03:35 PM »
Thanks to this thread I had a cut consultation today. Tomorrow I go for the color consultation. The top of my hair is all silver, the back brown, but I have been dying it all brown for years. No more! I am so sick of my hair looking nice for three days and then having white roots. Instead, I am going to see about getting the top part bleached and dyed white/grey so it can grow in from there. It is going to be a radically different look for me.

I can't wait. I know it is going to be expensive for the cut and color. I will try to post before and after pictures. Should schedule it for sometime next week.

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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #58 on: August 20, 2015, 02:49:44 AM »
^^Thanks NZ Bubble! Yes: a transplanted westie. Penrith, would you believe?

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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #59 on: August 20, 2015, 03:06:22 AM »
Boganvillia - oh so not a NZ westie then? I am a westie and my mum transplanted a good 20 years ago to .........Campbelltown lol.

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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2015, 06:24:39 AM »
I agree it's all really not about the hair. Glad to see so many deciding to let nature shine through on that.

Loved BlueHouse's insights and suggestions on this. Simple body language and use of voice is much of the game here. Another alternative to pounding a fist is to literally hold up your hand in the "stop" signal in the direction of the person interrupting you while you look at the others and talk (don't pause, obviously, and turn to them and switch to "I am still talking right now, listen to what I am saying." if necessary.) Not one to be used very often, but that gesture can be very effective. If someone is a frequent offender, so be shy about doing it more than once in a single meeting. The straighter your arm is, the more aggressive it will seem, so start with a bent arm if you want a more gentle "stop" signal. Not to be overused, of course, but sometimes necessary.

Gaining more professional presentation as a woman is a particular interest of mine, and something I've started researching extensively through reading and workshops. Here I am talking about a North American or Western European cultural context (other cultures have different subtle expectations). Some of the most common big issues I've seen when observing people introducing themselves "to the room" are:

Speaking too quickly, especially when saying their names. Slow down when you say your name. Make sure it is loud and clear. If your name is especially long or unusual, really practice this, because people in those situations tend to rush their names even more for some reason.

Not standing up straight enough. Head up, shoulders back.

Using qualifying language before most statements. For example, when asked to give one skill you bring to a new team, saying "I think I am good at . . . " or "other people would say I'm good at . . . " immediately makes you seem weak and unsure of yourself. Unfortunately these self-effacing speech patterns that many of us picked up as girls in an effort to fit in to classrooms. It would be better in that to say something very direct like "My expertise is in developing project strategies and statistical analyses."

Another one I've noticed is that women tend to say strengths like "I'm good at cooperating with lots of different people" or "I'm good at organizing the group." Pah, while I'm sure that's totally true, everyone already expects you are cooperative. Pick something they don't expect you to say, like, "I led the region in sales last year" or "I'm the fastest and most accurate CAD engineer in the west!"

Good luck!

PS I'm graying without dye.

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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #61 on: August 20, 2015, 10:30:13 AM »
I am a female university professor without gray hair, and frequently get mistaken for a student.  Most days I make up for this by wearing blazers and generally dressing up, but my (male) colleagues go around in jeans and polo shirts (or even more casual outfits) without issues.  I'm dying for the day I grow a few gray hairs.

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« Reply #62 on: August 20, 2015, 03:08:13 PM »
I think that style matters way more than color, especially natural color.  As long as it's not messy/ scraggly, then gray can look awesome.  I'm at about 5% (at 34), but it looks more than that because it's all right in the front, a silver streak in my bangs/ front bit.  It pleases me.  Partly because I've always looked young, which can be problematic.  There is a 16-year age difference between me and DH, and i'd rather not make it more obvious... Also as the mother of two small children id prefer to look like a reasonably mature 30-something and not a kid!  Not that I have any issue with young moms, at all, but I'd rather not deal with the disrespect they get handed.  Other reason is that I think it just looks cool!  I'm not one to mess about with makeup and hair dye, and it's like Mother Nature just handed me some silvery highlights.  :-). I'll admit that this probably works better with dark brown hair than blonde. 

We all acknowledge that many men look attractive as their hair goes gray, but why not women? 

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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #63 on: August 20, 2015, 07:59:07 PM »
Where I work there are a lot of older women, but they all dye their hair. I am 32 and just starting to go grey. There is no way I am putting those chemicals in my hair. I also don't look particularly neat or tidy. I wear bulky clothes because as soon as I leave the office, I have to deal with sexual harassment. But I am thinking about buying a belt. It's also really hard to find clothes that fit, but aren't stupidly effeminate. It is so hard to find a button up shirt that fits.
I definitely will never dye my hair, but I'm not sure about what to do about my beard growing in. Maybe I should shave because I think men should shave too?

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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #64 on: August 20, 2015, 09:07:10 PM »
Great thread!

I've been kinda dismayed at work noticing that nearly every woman (regardless of age) dyes their hair. It seems like hair dye is the norm - only a tiny minority don't dye their hair. However, it's not an option for me even if I wanted to because I have stupidly sensitive skin and am not game to risk a horrendous skin reaction. I fully intend going naturally grey. I'm in my early 40s and have about 5% grey with mousy dark brown hair. I think shorter haircuts look best with grey hair, so that's my eventual plan.

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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #65 on: August 20, 2015, 09:47:13 PM »
Great thread!

I've been kinda dismayed at work noticing that nearly every woman (regardless of age) dyes their hair. It seems like hair dye is the norm - only a tiny minority don't dye their hair. However, it's not an option for me even if I wanted to because I have stupidly sensitive skin and am not game to risk a horrendous skin reaction. I fully intend going naturally grey. I'm in my early 40s and have about 5% grey with mousy dark brown hair. I think shorter haircuts look best with grey hair, so that's my eventual plan.

Yeah, me too (re: women at work all dyeing their hair). Personally, I'd rather have my hair look older than my face than the reverse. So I will not dye my hair.  I used to tweeze out any visible grays that I found, but a few months ago I decided I was outnumbered, so I gave up.

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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #66 on: August 21, 2015, 08:40:25 AM »
Just a note, if you're brunette/grey and you color, there are root touch-up kits available at the grocery store for around $7. I use one about every three or four weeks in between going to the salon. There's no reason to have to go to the salon every three weeks if you don't want to. They work great and definitely extend the time period I can do in between salon visits.

I second this approach.  My hairdresser actually sold me a tube of the color she uses on me, so that I can touch up my part line between visits.  I think the tube of color was $11, plus a buck for a bottle of peroxide to mix with it, and it lasts for at least a year.  Keeps me from walking around looking like a skunk half the time.  :)


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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2015, 08:53:27 PM »
To be taken seriously and not mistaken for the receptionist in an office, wear a suit! Dress the part of a professional-

I won't ever go grey, age and attractiveness factor into perception and opportunity where I work and I'm not ready to be dismissed.

I used to work in sales where I needed to collect the purchaser's birthdate. Your hair and your hands are the most significant indicators of age, I got very good at guess year of birth (silently) based on those two things provided hair wasn't colored.

I will say that one guy with silver hair at 35 looked 62 to me, not a good look-

Note: if you get grey or white temples at a young age, this can be an indicator of a thyroid deficiency.

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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #68 on: September 09, 2015, 04:17:54 PM »
To be taken seriously and not mistaken for the receptionist in an office, wear a suit! Dress the part of a professional-


Receptionists should also be taken seriously, for the record.

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Re: Women in office jobs - let your hair go grey?
« Reply #69 on: September 09, 2015, 11:22:01 PM »
To be taken seriously and not mistaken for the receptionist in an office, wear a suit! Dress the part of a professional-

I"m not a woman, but I'd ignore this advice. I mean wear a suit if you want to, more power to you. But if you don't want to wear a suit, don't wear one for the idea of being taken seriously, or because someone suggested you should.

 

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