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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #50 on: November 17, 2014, 07:40:31 AM »
I needed to revisit this thread for encouragement.

As I spoke to Person M, something caught my eye. It was a man on a bike. I said, "Oh! A cyclist!" There are so few. It was like seeing a close friend, even though I don't know him.  Person M looked at me with an incredulous stare and said, "You see a cyclist. I see a bag man."

This sounds so insane, but actually, the second reason I wear a bike helmet (other than not wanting to get my brains smashed out, obviously) is so people don't think I'm homeless. I mean, I'm probably being overly paranoid because it's not like I dress scruffily or anything, but in my neighborhood, the vast majority of people on bikes are either wearing spandex or homeless. Argh.

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #51 on: November 17, 2014, 09:07:58 AM »
I dunno, more power to you if you LIKE to bike in winter.  I see being cold as the most intense form of misery, and I'd gladly pay *hundreds* of dollars a month to be in a warm car.  Gas + insurance is around $120/mo, so I guess I do, but it's money WELL spent, imo.

But I'd never judge someone for wanting to bike in winter.  Rather, I'd view them with awed respect.

I don't like to be cold either . . . which is why I wear appropriate clothing for winter cycling.  It is just different than the clothing that you would wear while driving around.

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #52 on: November 17, 2014, 09:47:36 AM »
I needed to revisit this thread for encouragement.

As I spoke to Person M, something caught my eye. It was a man on a bike. I said, "Oh! A cyclist!" There are so few. It was like seeing a close friend, even though I don't know him.  Person M looked at me with an incredulous stare and said, "You see a cyclist. I see a bag man."

This sounds so insane, but actually, the second reason I wear a bike helmet (other than not wanting to get my brains smashed out, obviously) is so people don't think I'm homeless.

Now that you mention it,  the "bag man" wasn't wearing a helmet. I wonder if the helmet makes a difference in perception. It might. 

I would like to normalize biking,  not just for me, but so that more people will understand that walking and biking are options that THEY can use. They can at least give their cars a rest every now and then.
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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #53 on: November 17, 2014, 10:32:31 AM »
I am married to a woman who worked for a cycling advocacy organization for about 10 years, promoting commuter cycling.  In her workplace, driving to work was seriously frowned on (it was a big 'scandal' when it came out that one of their staff was secretively driving, then hiding her car a few blocks away and walking into the office).

So my perspective is somewhat different.  I've been a cyclist first/driver second since my first tank of gas, but one of my recent coworkers was very dismissive of the notion on every level (ironically, he was FIRE and working to pass the time).  Most of his identify was caught up in being a 'rich guy', so the idea that he would ride anything less than a luxury car was absurd.  I just didn't talk to him about it.  My other coworkers are all either cyclists themselves or have been in the past, so there is just no issue.

To be honest, I'd say that one of the biggest benefits of a mustachian perspective is in learning to ignore messages about how you should consume or spend, and focus entirely on what You value and wish to consume.  Cycling is its own reward, but maybe next time you find yourself in a financially 'impressive' position as a result of your many mustachian choices - which include cycling - you might make a point of directly linking the two.

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #54 on: November 19, 2014, 10:18:06 AM »
I remember a few years ago, I was biking home from work on a day where it was nasty weather, cold as hell, with freezing rain falling, and I thought, "If I was one of the car drivers going past me, I'd look at the bicyclist me and feel sorry as hell for me."  But the fact was, I was having a BALL riding my bike.  I felt invigorated and alive.  And I knew there was no way to convey that to the car drivers.  So I agree with rocketpj's suggestion of just ignoring the messages to do it otherwise.  Some things don't translate between the cycling and driving worlds.  Still, I don't try to hide my smile when I can't hold back, while cycling.

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2014, 02:27:11 PM »
No one pities Jessica Fletcher for cycling. Then again, people did mysteriously die around her...


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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2014, 03:00:14 PM »
As Adam Carolla says, it's a "rich man, poor man" scenario.  In this case MMM rich.

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2014, 07:03:37 PM »
I told one of my hockey teammates that yes I was going to bike the 1.5 miles to the rink in subzero temps.  His response was "What? Did you sell your truck?"

How do you haul your gear? Some of my games are definitely within biking distance, but I can't figure out how to haul a full gear bag and sticks. 

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2014, 07:28:18 PM »
I told one of my hockey teammates that yes I was going to bike the 1.5 miles to the rink in subzero temps.  His response was "What? Did you sell your truck?"

How do you haul your gear? Some of my games are definitely within biking distance, but I can't figure out how to haul a full gear bag and sticks.

I'm pretty sure a trailer would be applicable here, with a cargo rack for the sticks. But I'd make sure you can use it for other things too.

I just purchased a bike trailer and am now biking to Costco. It was a big expense for me, but I justified it due to the fact that I don't own a car at all,  Costco WILL allow me to save a lot of money (hundreds of dollars per year), and the trailer is durable with a good warranty and thus should last a number of years.

I felt pretty badass riding my bike to grocery shop at a place that's often considered unusable if you don't own a car. I was all smiles as I road out of the parking lot this past weekend - I wonder if anyone felt sorry for me!

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2014, 07:53:55 PM »
Yep--I bought a bike trailer.  The hockey bag fits perfectly and I use several bungee cords to secure the stick.  Then I light the whole thing up with a mess of blinking lights, since most of my games are at night.

And good for you for biking with a trailer to Costco.  Isn't it awesome to pull right up to the front of the building, while all the car clowns are madly driving in circles looking for a parking spot?

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #60 on: November 19, 2014, 07:57:07 PM »
     Back when I was a working stiff (September), my co-workers were glad for me biking the four blocks to work. Good exercise. A few work ask if I even owned a car (yes, a 1998 compact). They would ask about biking in winter. I would say winter jacket, gloves, scarf and hat work just fine if the roads were plowed and concrete was showing. If not, a 12 minute brisk morning walk wakes you up.

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #61 on: November 20, 2014, 07:00:33 AM »
Thought about this discussion this morning after an exchange I had with a co-worker.  I'm known as the "lone cyclist" and people regularly comment on how nuts I am to ride in to work.  I work on an airfield (closed military base) on the extreme outskirts of the city and most of my co-workers live 30-40 miles away across the river.  I live "close" to work and I'm 15 miles away.

So this guy mentions that he saw me riding, and says "riding down Normandy?  That's crazy!" (Normandy is a 4 lane road with a great bike lane and low traffic out here).  I said, "You know all of the people around here who tell me their blood pressure's too high and they need to exercise, or they're too heavy?  I don't have that problem.  Tell me who's crazy".

I promise to be nicer next time.  Maybe.

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #62 on: November 20, 2014, 09:43:59 AM »
Winter has officially arrived here in Ottawa (Canada) which means the following typical weather pattern:

 - a dump of snow and freezing rain for a couple of days
 - a week of cold arctic air solidifying a layer of ice on everything
 - gradual warming to about freezing
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This is my 6th year year-round cycling into work.  Same comments from the same people every year. No big deal.  Hey I would have thought I was crazy 10 years ago too.

I'm saving about $4800 a year when you factor in gas, insurance, license/registration, maintenance, parking, depreciation and opportunity cost of initial purchase.  That's not even counting the non-monetary benefits of staying fit.  Hey for a measly $700 extra per year I can max out my TFSA allotment!  That's an astounding $80000+ earning TAX FREE dollars in 10 years!

Also, I love how cycling to work makes it incredibly difficult to follow through with impulse purchases.

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #63 on: November 20, 2014, 10:21:40 AM »
OP, I'm not sure why you care what other people think about biking.  If the benefits for you outweigh the drawbacks, you should do it.  That doesn't mean everyone else will come to the same conclusion.  Different people value different things.

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #64 on: November 20, 2014, 10:40:26 AM »
Winter has officially arrived here in Ottawa (Canada) which means the following typical weather pattern:

 - a dump of snow and freezing rain for a couple of days
 - a week of cold arctic air solidifying a layer of ice on everything
 - gradual warming to about freezing
 - (repeat)

This is my 6th year year-round cycling into work.  Same comments from the same people every year. No big deal.  Hey I would have thought I was crazy 10 years ago too.

I'm saving about $4800 a year when you factor in gas, insurance, license/registration, maintenance, parking, depreciation and opportunity cost of initial purchase.  That's not even counting the non-monetary benefits of staying fit.  Hey for a measly $700 extra per year I can max out my TFSA allotment!  That's an astounding $80000+ earning TAX FREE dollars in 10 years!

Also, I love how cycling to work makes it incredibly difficult to follow through with impulse purchases.

*waves*

I am also in Ottawa and cycling ... the rest of the year. I live on the other side of the river and I decided to take the bus instead of cycling after the snowfall and subsequent icing we had in the last few days.

How do you handle riding on 2-3 inches of compressed snow/ice?

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« Reply #65 on: November 20, 2014, 11:39:56 AM »
*waves*

I am also in Ottawa and cycling ... the rest of the year. I live on the other side of the river and I decided to take the bus instead of cycling after the snowfall and subsequent icing we had in the last few days.

How do you handle riding on 2-3 inches of compressed snow/ice?

waves back!

Metal spikes!  I ride on a hybrid with 32mm studded tires.  Most times the road is bare or packed ice which I can ride on top of, or loose snow which I can cut through. 

The frustrating times come with that semi-packed stuff that is left when a car drives on thick fresh snow.  My tires can't make up their mind what they are going to do and throw me off balance.  I've been thinking about breaking out a dormant mountain bike with wide tires for these occasions. 

I'm also fortunate enough to work very close to work (5 km).  If I end up walking half way my commute is still pretty fast.

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #66 on: November 20, 2014, 12:32:11 PM »
Dunno about Ottawa, but do you notice that cars treat cyclists better in the winter than in the summer?  People leave more distance when passing, and are generally less dickish.  At least that's what I've noticed.

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« Reply #67 on: November 20, 2014, 12:53:20 PM »
Dunno about Ottawa, but do you notice that cars treat cyclists better in the winter than in the summer?  People leave more distance when passing, and are generally less dickish.  At least that's what I've noticed.

Definitely!  It helps that they are (usually) moving a little slower too.

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #68 on: November 20, 2014, 01:49:08 PM »
I kind of get a similar response at work from riding my bike. However, this occasionally results in people offering to buy me lunch, so I don't complain. I try to reciprocate but I am often unsuccessful because I am pegged as the poor person at work. I like playing the poor card if it is given to me. I don't feel like anyone ever asks me for stuff.

 

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« Reply #69 on: November 20, 2014, 10:07:32 PM »
Bag man... My husband stopped off at a pet shop on his way home from school to buy a cozy bed for our arthritic cat, but neither he nor the shop had a large enough bag to fit the bed, so the shop supplied him with a garbage bag. As he was riding his bike home with the garbage bag, on his junky winter beater bike, wearing his salt-splattered winter biking outerwear, it did occur to him that he probably looked pretty down on his luck!

I actually quite sincerely feel sorry for people who don't bike, especially in winter. My route takes me past suburban bus stops where I see people shivering a trying to stay warm. Leaving work, my co-workers are all wasting time scraping and brushing their cars, and then still the first few minutes in the car will be freezing. On top of that, for a good 2km stretch of my trip home, I can rely on sailing past traffic that's creeping at about 10 km/h. I would find it very frustrating to be part of that.

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #70 on: November 21, 2014, 12:11:23 AM »
When I am biking one thing I find really annoying is when I am trying to cross at an intersection, and the drivers feel sorry for me by making abrupt and awkward stops in their lanes with their car even when they have the right of way at the intersection.  I don't know if it is just because I live in a small town or whether this happens other places too.

I will be on a side road with a stop sign waiting for an opening to cross that intersects with a busy main road.  There often seems to be that one driver who will think they are some hero by actually stopping their car, and block the lane behind them on the main road, and then proceed to wave for me to cross on my bike.  Meanwhile there will one or more other lanes on the main road where the drivers keep going at full speed.  So I can't actually cross over the road even if I wanted to.  So I just sit there.  Then follows some confusion as to exactly why the driver stopped their car in the first place.

It seems so stupid because it goes against everything in conventional traffic law.  I wish the drivers would not stop their cars, and not feel sorry for me just because I am on a bike.  I wish they would just keep driving full speed in order to move their asses out of the way asap so that I can get through the intersection.  I know how to cross over the busy street on my own thank you very much.

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« Reply #71 on: November 21, 2014, 08:04:05 AM »
When I am biking one thing I find really annoying is when I am trying to cross at an intersection, and the drivers feel sorry for me by making abrupt and awkward stops in their lanes with their car even when they have the right of way at the intersection.  I don't know if it is just because I live in a small town or whether this happens other places too.

I will be on a side road with a stop sign waiting for an opening to cross that intersects with a busy main road.  There often seems to be that one driver who will think they are some hero by actually stopping their car, and block the lane behind them on the main road, and then proceed to wave for me to cross on my bike.  Meanwhile there will one or more other lanes on the main road where the drivers keep going at full speed.  So I can't actually cross over the road even if I wanted to.  So I just sit there.  Then follows some confusion as to exactly why the driver stopped their car in the first place.

It seems so stupid because it goes against everything in conventional traffic law.  I wish the drivers would not stop their cars, and not feel sorry for me just because I am on a bike.  I wish they would just keep driving full speed in order to move their asses out of the way asap so that I can get through the intersection.  I know how to cross over the busy street on my own thank you very much.

People do this to me when I'm running. I appreciate the thoughtfulness but I HATE IT.

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #72 on: November 21, 2014, 08:57:56 AM »
When I am biking one thing I find really annoying is when I am trying to cross at an intersection, and the drivers feel sorry for me by making abrupt and awkward stops in their lanes with their car even when they have the right of way at the intersection.  I don't know if it is just because I live in a small town or whether this happens other places too.

I will be on a side road with a stop sign waiting for an opening to cross that intersects with a busy main road.  There often seems to be that one driver who will think they are some hero by actually stopping their car, and block the lane behind them on the main road, and then proceed to wave for me to cross on my bike.  Meanwhile there will one or more other lanes on the main road where the drivers keep going at full speed.  So I can't actually cross over the road even if I wanted to.  So I just sit there.  Then follows some confusion as to exactly why the driver stopped their car in the first place.

It seems so stupid because it goes against everything in conventional traffic law.  I wish the drivers would not stop their cars, and not feel sorry for me just because I am on a bike.  I wish they would just keep driving full speed in order to move their asses out of the way asap so that I can get through the intersection.  I know how to cross over the busy street on my own thank you very much.

It happens here too. I think they are just trying to be nice. 

I usually wave them through and then look away (so I have the last say).  They get it eventually and move on.  It's the safest thing to do from my perspective.

It drives me nuts too though. It's like when drivers see kids on the side of the road, stop and wave them through.  Totally unsafe.
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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #73 on: November 21, 2014, 09:54:00 AM »
When I am biking one thing I find really annoying is when I am trying to cross at an intersection, and the drivers feel sorry for me by making abrupt and awkward stops in their lanes with their car even when they have the right of way at the intersection.  I don't know if it is just because I live in a small town or whether this happens other places too.

I will be on a side road with a stop sign waiting for an opening to cross that intersects with a busy main road.  There often seems to be that one driver who will think they are some hero by actually stopping their car, and block the lane behind them on the main road, and then proceed to wave for me to cross on my bike.  Meanwhile there will one or more other lanes on the main road where the drivers keep going at full speed.  So I can't actually cross over the road even if I wanted to.  So I just sit there.  Then follows some confusion as to exactly why the driver stopped their car in the first place.

It seems so stupid because it goes against everything in conventional traffic law.  I wish the drivers would not stop their cars, and not feel sorry for me just because I am on a bike.  I wish they would just keep driving full speed in order to move their asses out of the way asap so that I can get through the intersection.  I know how to cross over the busy street on my own thank you very much.

It happens here too. I think they are just trying to be nice. 

I usually wave them through and then look away (so I have the last say).  They get it eventually and move on.  It's the safest thing to do from my perspective.

It drives me nuts too though. It's like when drivers see kids on the side of the road, stop and wave them through.  Totally unsafe.

I don't think they are feeling sorry for us.  I think they are just trying to be nice.  Kinda like when drivers see kids on the side of the road, stop and wave them through.  Drives me nuts.  Don't
Same here! Well, it doesn't happen as often to me as drivers being assholes, but it's still just as annoying. They're not treating me as a vehicle like they should. Although not dangerous at all if you do the smart thing and insist that they follow the driving conventions.
They think they're being nice, but instead creating a potentially dangerous situation.

If only there were even like one or two questions about cyclists on your written test to get a driver's license.

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #74 on: November 21, 2014, 09:57:54 AM »
If only there were even like one or two questions about cyclists on your written test to get a driver's license.

That is seriously a great and really simple idea.

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #75 on: November 21, 2014, 01:26:18 PM »
Great idea about having other kinds of traffic on the driver's test.  Future generations of cyclists might be safer. How do we educate the current drivers?

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Re: Why Do People Feel Sorry for Me When I Bike?
« Reply #76 on: November 21, 2014, 01:31:57 PM »
Send them text messages.  Usually they're reading their phone while driving, so the information will be fresh in their minds.

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« Reply #77 on: November 21, 2014, 08:18:13 PM »
Send them text messages.  Usually they're reading their phone while driving, so the information will be fresh in their minds.

That made me laugh.   It probably shouldn't have.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!