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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2016, 08:19:57 AM »
That is very encouraging! My mom is also 72 and is still quite active, although she chooses to continue to work (teaching high school Spanish--she's kind of a saint). I hope I am kicking up my heels more like your dad is when I'm 72!

I too wish I had found this site or these principles earlier on in life. It still would have been tough to act on during the 2007/2008 bust, but we would have been in a much better position (emergence fund anyone?) at that point and it wouldn't have taken us as long to recover.

As a note of encouragement, my dad is 72 and he just hiked (and rode mules) a decent portion of the Grand Canyon last year, still enjoys hiking smaller mountains in Alaska and is able to do lots of active things. My goal is to get out of the workforce by 59 so hopefully I can have 12+ years of the same. Maybe earlier if at all possible!

I'm 46 and have been hanging around the forum for two or three years. I can't get up to the 50% savings rate that some are doing here (being single makes that harder, I think), but I live more frugally than I used to. No sense wishing everyday that I had figured this stuff out when I was 20, but I do wish that. Pretty much everyday. Still, I hope that I can stop working FT at 57, hopefully still young enough to do that cross country bike ride.

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« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2016, 08:41:15 AM »
Spouse & I were already relatively frugal and good at saving when we found this site a few years ago; I was in my 40s. I've found guidance here that ultimately helped me fire our financial advisor and manage our money myself with much better results, and also trim our spending. We were en route to an earlyish retirement already, but now we've accelerated the process.

It's funny; it's hard to predict our FIRE date because we're still adjusting to the spending and investment changes. But it's definitely sooner because of my scouring of the MMM site and the forum.

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« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2016, 09:50:55 AM »
It's funny; it's hard to predict our FIRE date because we're still adjusting to the spending and investment changes. But it's definitely sooner because of my scouring of the MMM site and the forum.

I think this is where we're at. I'm trying to make peace with the fact that there isn't a crystal ball that can give us an answer on our FIRE date quite yet ... or the winning lottery tickets that would make the FIRE date "next week".

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« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2016, 10:15:36 AM »
I've been here a couple of years, mostly lurking during the first one. I'm in my late 40s and have been gradually ratcheting up my retirement savings since age 30 from 10% to 20-25% of my income (not including a pension) while my spouse focused on starting a small business. After finding MMM, I cranked up my retirement contributions again. This year, I am set to hit 40% gross savings, and spouse has paid off our mortgage.

Partially due to our not especially high income, which varies from around $70K to 100K a year, depending on spouse's earnings, and the not-so-stellar market returns since 2000, I don't anticipate retiring until my late 50s. Knowing that my target date is only 10-13 years away and the bulk of my full-time working career may be behind me makes me giddy, though!

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #54 on: August 01, 2016, 10:20:28 AM »
I vacillate between being giddy at retiring before 60 and being a little bummed that I'm going to have to wait that long.

My wife's father retired at 55 (with a nice pension and lots of retirement savings) and that would be amazing. Realistically though I think 57 is the absolute earliest I'll be able to pull the plug and that's only if the market works very well in our favor over the next 13 years. 59 is probably a lot more realistic but still seems to be very, very far away.

I've been here a couple of years, mostly lurking during the first one. I'm in my late 40s and have been gradually ratcheting up my retirement savings since age 30 from 10% to 20-25% of my income (not including a pension) while my spouse focused on starting a small business. After finding MMM, I cranked up my retirement contributions again. This year, I am set to hit 40% gross savings, and spouse has paid off our mortgage.

Partially due to our not especially high income, which varies from around $70K to 100K a year, depending on spouse's earnings, and the not-so-stellar market returns since 2000, I don't anticipate retiring until my late 50s. Knowing that my target date is only 10-13 years away and the bulk of my full-time working career may be behind me makes me giddy, though!

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« Reply #55 on: August 01, 2016, 01:58:45 PM »
I vacillate between being giddy at retiring before 60 and being a little bummed that I'm going to have to wait that long.

My wife's father retired at 55 (with a nice pension and lots of retirement savings) and that would be amazing. Realistically though I think 57 is the absolute earliest I'll be able to pull the plug and that's only if the market works very well in our favor over the next 13 years. 59 is probably a lot more realistic but still seems to be very, very far away.

I've been here a couple of years, mostly lurking during the first one. I'm in my late 40s and have been gradually ratcheting up my retirement savings since age 30 from 10% to 20-25% of my income (not including a pension) while my spouse focused on starting a small business. After finding MMM, I cranked up my retirement contributions again. This year, I am set to hit 40% gross savings, and spouse has paid off our mortgage.

Partially due to our not especially high income, which varies from around $70K to 100K a year, depending on spouse's earnings, and the not-so-stellar market returns since 2000, I don't anticipate retiring until my late 50s. Knowing that my target date is only 10-13 years away and the bulk of my full-time working career may be behind me makes me giddy, though!

DeskJockey, I think 57 is the earliest possible retirement age for me as well. It would involve cashing out my 457 at that time, starting to draw from my 403b and Roth IRA at 59.5, then taking my pension and SS at age 62. I briefly considered the option of retiring at 55 and spending down my 403b for the following seven years, but the market return would have to be exponential for that to be possible.

If I were to work another 13 years at this job, I could retire with a full pension, but I don't see my grant-funded position existing that far into the future.

And yes, I know what you mean about being excited at times and bummed out at others about the timeline.

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« Reply #56 on: August 01, 2016, 02:08:17 PM »
Started reading this regularly pretty soon after MMM started the blog and was in my mid 40's at the time.  I am still working.  I suffer from OMY syndrome ("one more year").   

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #57 on: August 01, 2016, 05:34:45 PM »
Started reading this regularly pretty soon after MMM started the blog and was in my mid 40's at the time.  I am still working.  I suffer from OMY syndrome ("one more year").   
I did too, but I got over that by deciding to semi-retire instead (i.e., work PT and for lower salary).

I just turned 41 and would reach full FI midway through 2018 if I stayed on in my current job.  However, I have come to dislike the job enough that staying on even for two more years just isn't tenable.  I will be quitting in the spring to retrain for another field and will also be working PT.  Even with the decrease in income, I only expect reaching full FI to be delayed by about two years, and I've decided I can live with being FI at age 45 instead of age 43.  So instead of retiring in 2018 as I originally planned, I am semi-retiring in 2017. :-)

Out of curiosity, anyone else here (besides Classical Liberal, because I already know you are!) doing any work travel?  Meaning, you move somewhere, work there for a few months, then move somewhere else?  Or interested in doing this? 

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« Reply #58 on: August 01, 2016, 11:41:40 PM »
What great stories. I found MMM a little over a year ago in the 40+ club. My main reason for searching was how to do self directed investments.

Our net worth is almost at retirement levels but most is tied up in real estate.

Our rentals are doing Ok and I don't want to sell the home we live in. It is about an averaged priced home for our city but I love the location. We killed the 25 Mortgage in just over 5 years and now I'm stashing.

However, the more I read, having a nice stash would be so much easier than the rentals.

Also, I spent considerable time training for my job and really enjoy it most days. I was still in school when MMM retired (age wise) so I had a late start due to that. Does anyone else feel RE would be a waste?

My SO quit the corporate world about 5y ago & is FI with some property management & another passion. 

I don't have a FIRE date set yet but RE could be between 45-58.


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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #59 on: August 01, 2016, 11:57:02 PM »
Also, I spent considerable time training for my job and really enjoy it most days. I was still in school when MMM retired (age wise) so I had a late start due to that. Does anyone else feel RE would be a waste?
Yeah, I do.  Not to mention that I've realized that what I really want is a different job, not no job at all.

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« Reply #60 on: August 02, 2016, 09:05:29 AM »
Also, I spent considerable time training for my job and really enjoy it most days. I was still in school when MMM retired (age wise) so I had a late start due to that. Does anyone else feel RE would be a waste?
Yeah, I do.  Not to mention that I've realized that what I really want is a different job, not no job at all.

I go back and forth. I have some health issues that make working steadily a bit of a challenge; I've mostly done freelance work for years, but am now in a wonderful permanent job that I'm finding a little hard to sustain. So -- yes, I'd love to have the physical ability to keep doing what I love for money, but I'm not sure I do. That's one reason we're getting our ducks in a row for FI, so RE becomes an option whenever necessary, even if it isn't my preference.

Also, we did take about 6 months off in a trial retirement a few years back, and let me tell you, it was frickin' bliss. There was this wonderful psychological change where I felt my life opening up, I felt all those old employee fears about getting in trouble melting away; it was an eye-opener. I wouldn't mind getting back to that.

I do want to work, at something. It makes me feel good.

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #61 on: August 02, 2016, 12:59:02 PM »
I found the page in 2012, when I was 41. 

Same here! Arrived here in 2012 at age 41. The site changed my life, no question. Or rather, I changed my life as a partial result of finding this site. Maxing out my 401k and my Roth IRA is not something I would have thought to do previously. I think one of my earliest posts in the forum said something like, "holy crap, can I retire in 10 years?" I provided some numbers and people said, yes, you can. Several years later, I'm still on track for ER but will probably choose to transition to part-time/freelance work in 3-4 years rather than working full-time right up to my FI date, whenever that might be.
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« Reply #62 on: August 02, 2016, 01:08:02 PM »
I found this site after a divorce at age 46.  I didn't have a clue about investing and got a lot of good advice here.  I am hopeful that I will be able to retire in 2020 at 53 when I am eligible to take my pension.  I am not really saving anything over what goes in my pension, but I am trying to be much more mindful about what I spend, so that I hopefully preserve the savings that I do have.

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« Reply #63 on: August 02, 2016, 01:15:17 PM »
Well, I met with a for-fee advisor (paid for by my work, so score)!

I really wanted a sanity check above and beyond the nice folks here, at other boards and on Reddit. We ran all the numbers, several times, and it looks like I am really on track to retire at 57.

This is absolutely wonderful to me. A few years ago I didn't think I'd be able to retire by 65! A few lifestyle changes, a bit of good luck and a lot of paying off the last of our debt and here we are! My wife has let me take the lead on the planning but also wanted a sanity check by a professional.

Tonight, we're going to go watch a softball game. Tomorrow night we'll straighten out her 403(b) stuff (she just changed jobs) and then I'll go over the plan with her to make sure she's on board as well and tweak where we'll need to tweak.

We're still going to have to up our game a bit - this year we'll open our first Roth IRA and next year we hope to be able to max out contributions. I'm going to be upping my 403(b) contributions myself from 19% to 25% over the next 4-5 years as well. 

It's still an amazing feeling to think that 8 years ago we didn't really know if we would be able to keep a roof over our family's heads. Four years ago the though to retiring before 65 was really just a pipe dream. Two years ago we really started paying off the debt accumulated. Four months ago I found these forums and really took a long, hard look at our savings rate and spending and now... we've just knocked 8 years off of our retirement plan and will hopefully be gainfully unemployed before our youngest is 23!

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« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2016, 01:42:33 PM »
My story is similar to many others here.  I was introduced to MMM in 2014 @ 42.  I had just run numbers speculating that I could comfortably retire at 55.  After blasting through MMM I became hungry to drop that number.  We are currently on track to FIRE in early 2020 (I'll turn 49 later that year).

In short, here's what we did:

1. Moved all investments to index ETFs at a discount broker (and fired our FA).
2. Started tracking our expenses with YNAB.
3. Became aware of what brought us happiness and adjusted our spending appropriately.
4. Prioritized savings

We still struggle with some spending (food), but continue to do well with savings and, despite having modest increases in our salaries, our cost of living has dropped slightly since 2014.

The most striking change in the last 2 years has been how much more comfortable I am managing our finances.  We are a slow steady ship headed for FIRE.

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #65 on: August 02, 2016, 01:45:12 PM »
What wonderful stories!
I wonder if MMM ever reads these journals?  It would for sure make his heart smile to see the influence he's had.

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« Reply #66 on: August 02, 2016, 01:46:07 PM »
I stumbled across MMM a few years ago.  The forums have helped me turn generic advice into specifics that I could actually implement.  I didn't really know what any of the common advice meant. 

*Index investing changed from some nebulous goal to a concrete strategy with these three funds:  VTSAX, VTIAX, and VBMFX.
*Diversification meant consolidating > 30 funds in 6 accounts into 5 funds in 3 accounts (2 tax-advantaged, 1 taxable)
*Re-allocating changed from panicking once a month and moving money without remembering that I had just done the opposite the previous month, to a written Investment Policy and planned re-allocations to meet my goals.
*Goals changed from pie-in-the-sky dreams to formal, documented, measurable, and achievable goals.
*My dreams are becoming reality in less time than I could have imagined. 

I'm almost 50.  3 years ago, I thought I would be 74 when I could retire.  Now I'm looking at 54 and I'm looking at ways I can make that happen even faster.  Learning what I know now has given me so much more confidence in my future and I stress much less about retirement.   

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« Reply #67 on: August 02, 2016, 02:09:32 PM »
What wonderful stories!
I wonder if MMM ever reads these journals?  It would for sure make his heart smile to see the influence he's had.

+1  He's sure changed my life for the better and my husband's too.  I don't think we are his target group (we are older, middle-income) but he has sure helped us out a lot.    I've had a handful of experiences that really changed my life and this was one of them. 

 

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« Reply #68 on: August 02, 2016, 06:19:22 PM »
What wonderful stories!
I wonder if MMM ever reads these journals?  It would for sure make his heart smile to see the influence he's had.

+1  He's sure changed my life for the better and my husband's too.  I don't think we are his target group (we are older, middle-income) but he has sure helped us out a lot.    I've had a handful of experiences that really changed my life and this was one of them.

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2016, 06:22:14 AM »
+1  He's sure changed my life for the better and my husband's too.  I don't think we are his target group (we are older, middle-income) but he has sure helped us out a lot.    I've had a handful of experiences that really changed my life and this was one of them.
I think his target group is a state of mind, not an age.  Some people react to the idea of FIRE with, "why would you want to do that?"  These are the small but significant minority that truly love their jobs and want to work till they drop.  Many people's reactions are, "that's impossible," and they won't even consider the idea.  These people are the ones who think it don't mean a thing if you ain't got those things; downsizing is simply not an option they're open to.  Some people react by going, "wow, I wish I had thought to save 50%+ of my income sooner.  What nonessential expenses can I cut first so I can reach FI?"  And that group is his target audience, regardless of their age.

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« Reply #70 on: August 03, 2016, 06:37:45 AM »
I think his target group is a state of mind, not an age.  Some people react to the idea of FIRE with, "why would you want to do that?"  These are the small but significant minority that truly love their jobs and want to work till they drop.  Many people's reactions are, "that's impossible," and they won't even consider the idea.  These people are the ones who think it don't mean a thing if you ain't got those things; downsizing is simply not an option they're open to.  Some people react by going, "wow, I wish I had thought to save 50%+ of my income sooner.  What nonessential expenses can I cut first so I can reach FI?"  And that group is his target audience, regardless of their age.

Thanks Libertea.

This is exactly how I reacted to finding this blog/forum "wish I'd thought to save 50%+ of my income sooner."  Felt a bit foolish and a bit depressed that I hadn't thought to do this before.  But those feelings passed and I've stuck to it.  I feel much happier now that I have financial goals.

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« Reply #71 on: August 03, 2016, 07:15:06 AM »
It's a hard concept for some people to wrap their minds around.  There are limited role models for FIRE, and the indoctrination into the culture of being a middle class (or upper middle class) consumer is very strong.  How can it be otherwise when people feel all smug because they're being "good" by saving 15% of their income like the mainstream finance people say to?

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« Reply #72 on: August 03, 2016, 08:15:58 AM »
This is pretty spot on in my experience. I was lucky in that I do have a roll model - two of them in fact. First if my Dad, whom I love dearly and who is an amazing person. He told me years ago that his goal was to never have his children have to support him financially. His mother spent 20 years basically unable to support herself. He worked until he was 72 (just a few months ago) to accomplish this and I respect the hell out of him. I also have zero desire to be in the workforce until I'm 72.

The second person is my Father-in-law. He retired at 55. He made some smart choices with his investments - in that he crammed as much into mutual funds as he could and sat back and let his money work for him. At 55 he ran into some issues with his direct supervisor so he essentially had the perfect FU money setup. He looked at the numbers, checked with his planner and pulled the plug 3 months later. No more problems with that supervisor. He and my Mother-in-law were retired before I met my wife (when she was 28). As long as I've known them they've been retired and they have an amazing life. They spend lots of time with my kids, spend random weekends away, take a big trip every 2-3 years and generally enjoy the hell out of their life.

I want both of those things. With the strategies I've found here and the affirmation that it does work I've also found here - it's doable! 57 is my target date now. Not as good as 55 but far, far better than 72.

It's a hard concept for some people to wrap their minds around.  There are limited role models for FIRE, and the indoctrination into the culture of being a middle class (or upper middle class) consumer is very strong.  How can it be otherwise when people feel all smug because they're being "good" by saving 15% of their income like the mainstream finance people say to?

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« Reply #73 on: August 03, 2016, 08:40:36 AM »
What wonderful stories! I wonder if MMM ever reads these journals?  It would for sure make his heart smile to see the influence he's had.
+1  He's sure changed my life for the better and my husband's too.  I don't think we are his target group (we are older, middle-income) but he has sure helped us out a lot.    I've had a handful of experiences that really changed my life and this was one of them.
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Ditto. I've always been financially careful (paid off student loans asap, maxed IRAs/employer matches, etc.) and lived a frugal car-free life. However, I could never calculate with confidence the retirement amount I'd actually need. In large part this was because I worked low-paying (but meaningful) jobs, lived simply, never wanted to own a home, had no kids and so the usual calculations never seemed to be accurate for me. A couple of years ago (mid 40s), I found MMM, figured out my retirement target and was on my way.

However, I want to say that it's also been the amazing folks on this MMM Forum (with special thanks to to arebelspy, Nords, Spartana, ExFlyBoy, and NinetyFour) who have helped me find creative ways to dial down and also to stay inspired/on track. Thank you!
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« Reply #74 on: August 03, 2016, 09:29:41 AM »
I fell upon MMM about 2 years ago (43 years old) when my favorite co-worker retired at age 67. He would joke around that I only had another 23 years left to retire at 66.

His replacement was (is) a complete jerk and wanted to figure out how to not work for so long. My DH and I are not die hards like some others on the boards, but it did make us focus more on what we can do to shorter our working lives and to move away from keeping up with the Jones.

As for the jerk, he is 57, DINK and says he can't retire for another 10 years. Everyday when I go to work, I can look at him and remind myself why I want to retire early to keep us on track.

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #75 on: August 03, 2016, 10:34:54 AM »
However, I want to say that it's also been the amazing folks on this MMM Forum (with special thanks to to arebelspy, Nords, Spartana, ExFlyBoy, and NinetyFour) who have helped me find creative ways to dial down and also to stay inspired/on track. Thank you!

Wow, I am honored to be mentioned in such esteemed company!  Thanks, Exhale!  Hope you are doing well!

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« Reply #76 on: August 03, 2016, 12:40:08 PM »
I think I found the MMM site about when I turned 50 (I am approaching 54 now).  I had read the ERE site for a few years earlier as I enjoyed that it challenged my assumptions about life.  Thankfully I learned frugality at a young age so except for a mortgage I was never in major debt.  Unfortunately due to a moderately spendy wife and other things in life, I never could save much either.  I realized at 40 I had to turn things around (as my net worth was still close to $0), so for the next decade I dealt with major life issues (paying off the house, getting divorced, recovering from being unemployed for 18 months).

About the time I decided to expand my knowledge at 50 I found the MMM site.  I had just paid off the house at that point so I concentrated on maxing my savings as my expenses were much lower.   Since then my investments have almost tripled in the past four years to 10X my take home and I have a vested pension now that will become an immediate pension in 7 years (versus leaving now and waiting until I am 65 to see any money) .  Not quite FI, but I could survive ok if I had to leave the workforce today.  My long term GF can retire in 2.5 years with a nice pension, so I am working until at least then.  After that I will have to decide will I wait 4 more years or jump ship even with a golden pension in sight.

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« Reply #77 on: August 03, 2016, 06:38:50 PM »
I found the MMM site in April 2014, at age 49. I'd taken over the bill-paying for the first time in our 25-year marriage and was shocked to find out how much money we spent.

We had saved enough over the years that my husband felt comfortable leaving the company he'd worked at for 20 years for a job at half the pay at his high school alma mater. He's a live-to-work guy, so the whole ER thing still doesn't really resonate, but the idea of FU money, and FI overall does resonate with him.

Since discovering MMM, I've convinced him to max out an HSA and his 403(b), including catch-up contributions once he turned 50 (this will be his second year maxing out). It puts our savings rate at around 36%. More than the savings, though, it's the forced streamlining of our expenses that I really like.

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« Reply #78 on: August 03, 2016, 09:08:52 PM »
I've been eye-guzzling this site since I first came across it over Memorial Day weekend of this year, but just registered to post this evening.

I'm 51 years old, female, and since my divorce in 2000, when I had to start over with absolutely nothing to my name, have become a pretty good saver, especially in the last 10 years or so.  I had always read that I'd need something like 2 million bucks to retire, and since that seemed impossible, I've just lived well below my means, saved as much as I could, and tried to avoid thinking about it.  MMM has opened my eyes to the fact that I don't need anywhere near $2m, which is very exciting. 

I'm sick of working.  I declared a couple years ago in a moment of stress that I am quitting my job no later than than 2020.  At the time,  didn't really believe I could do it, but now?  I can absolutely do it, and in fact might be able to quit a year or so earlier.

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #79 on: August 03, 2016, 11:20:20 PM »
Discovered this site while I was once again searching for ways to save money.  Started last year at age 59 and thought I would never retire. Single mom with an autistic son.  Realized I could retire this year. Not sure exactly when, but will be retiring this school year. Feel so happy about it. 

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #80 on: August 03, 2016, 11:20:32 PM »
I've been here about 7 months, I mostly read. I am one of the poorer ones here. This forum inspired me to be more aggressive at work so now I get my 36.5 hrs per week in within 3 days, allowing me 4 days off in a row each week. My employer fully funds a few HSA health plans.  I just need to find a bank for the HSA. Leaning towards a bank that offers CD's at 5%. My husband will be signed up for ObamaCare this month so he'll get a subsidy for his HSA. Likely to be put into HSA Bank and invested in Mutual Funds.My guess is beyond 2018, the HSA's wont be offered thru the Exchanges. Whether this would've been my path if I hadn't found this website is a mystery. Maybe because  the money is  free I'd have gone this route, who knows.

We also inherited some money which paid off our CC bill. We had already gotten serious and been paying $500 towards it each month. But I would say this website has done wonders for us, the owner is very nice and the folks here are very sane for an online forum. A molehill post isn't blown into a mountain due to a Moderator feeling the need to intervene. It's nice. It seems less moderation is needed because of the common sense approach

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #81 on: August 07, 2016, 12:47:11 AM »
Yeah, I'm 40 years old... well, plus nearly sixteen years of experience at acting that age. 

However, I want to say that it's also been the amazing folks on this MMM Forum (with special thanks to to arebelspy, Nords, Spartana, ExFlyBoy, and NinetyFour) who have helped me find creative ways to dial down and also to stay inspired/on track. Thank you!
Thanks, Exhale, and I'm happy to help!

I'm 46 and have been hanging around the forum for two or three years. I can't get up to the 50% savings rate that some are doing here (being single makes that harder, I think), but I live more frugally than I used to. No sense wishing everyday that I had figured this stuff out when I was 20, but I do wish that. Pretty much everyday. Still, I hope that I can stop working FT at 57, hopefully still young enough to do that cross country bike ride.
It'd be great to achieve a savings rate of 82% while recycling all of your dental floss and bodily fluids, but the only person you're competing against is yourself.  You win no matter how long it takes you to navigate the course. 

The key is to feel challenged & fulfilled by your lifestyle.  Frugality, not deprivation.  Keep tweaking the parameters (with the advice of the forum and MMM's blog posts) when it makes sense.  Find the right combination of automation and simplicity so that compounding can do the rest with minimal expenses.  If you're not able to cut your expenses then figure out ways to raise your income.

As for the cycling... I know a woman in her mid-60s who's spent the last few years trekking on her bicycle at least a hundred miles per week, either from her home or based out of an RV.  Stay healthy and practice your cycling skills now so that you can work out the bugs before you quit your job.  Her biggest concerns are dealing with headwinds and recovering from her own competitive urges to cycle more miles than she should.

Different story:  yesterday we were standing on a train platform in Padua when we saw an American couple who were in (at least) their 60s.  Their bikes and cycling clothes were well worn by what must have been thousands of miles.  Their frames had panniers and they also carried backpacks.  They must have come to Italy (either bringing their bikes or renting locally) to see the countryside and had decided to take a train to get somewhere that a bicycle path didn't reach.  They were smiling and laughing and looking like they were having the time of their lives. 

Better yet, their daily cycling miles probably let them eat all the gelato they wanted...
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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #82 on: August 07, 2016, 01:07:56 AM »
I found this site a year ago, about a month before I turned 40. I heard of FIRE on the YNAB forums, which I'd been on for about 6 months after realising I needed a better overview of our finances going into having another kid and a massive income break.

I'm in the same boat of "I wish I had found this twenty years ago!". Luckily my husband and I were never spendy and he had kept an eye on finances and set up automatic savings into retirement funds for both of us, so we were in an ok place with no debt but our mortgage and 150K in savings. But soon after landing here I gave myself the goal of FI in 10 years and we've made good headway.

I wish I was retiring at 35, but 50 is better than 65!

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #83 on: August 07, 2016, 10:24:42 AM »
I'm in my early 40's and found MMM exactly one year ago.

I'm on my second life so to speak.  I moved back to the US in 2009 and promptly went back to school.  I got my second bachelor's degree (this time in engineering) and started my second career.  I've never been one to get into debt much, but due to several setbacks including student loans, I graduated school with a net worth of approximately -$49,000.

Now my net worth is positive $20,000, which isn't a lot, but I'm heading in the right direction.  I'm naturally inclined to get out of debt, but MMM and this forum helped me learn about investing.  I had no clue about investing until reading his blog and interacting with members on this forum.  For this knowledge and exposure, I am eternally grateful.

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #84 on: August 07, 2016, 07:05:03 PM »
I am upper mid fifties :) and found MMM about two years ago.

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #85 on: August 08, 2016, 03:13:45 AM »
I found the blog in 2013, at age 46. It was an eye opener.

At first I was shocked! For which ridiculous luxuries did my stupid, dumb, anitMustachian young self spent these hoards of money for all these years (banging his/my head against the wall)? Why didn't I find out about this concept earlier?

Within a year, I converted to a Mustachian life. And today I'm absolutly sure this is the right choice, because I can compare it to the luxury lifestyle my younger self indulged in. I know, that I prefer a night in a tent to a night in a 5* resort and a hike through our gorgeous Swiss landscape to ride with 250 km/h on a German autobahn. Having tried it out, I know that I don't miss these luxuries. Thank you for this assurance, my stupid younger self, I'm in peace with you again ;-)

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #86 on: August 08, 2016, 03:31:47 AM »
back in our 40's we loved roughing it . we used to tent camp in the dead of winter too.

but i have to say , today at 63 give me those luxuries any day , our days of  our "hippy style  trips " are over    lol
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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #87 on: August 08, 2016, 03:49:04 AM »
The only reason I occasionally yearn for a 5* resort is so that I'm not constantly under the pressure of feeding my family every few hours. You don't actually realise how stressful and never-ending that is until you get a break from it for a few days!

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #88 on: August 08, 2016, 03:55:51 AM »
95% of what i eat comes through the drivers side window  ha ha ha 

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #89 on: August 08, 2016, 05:06:04 AM »
95% of what i eat comes through the drivers side window  ha ha ha
On a bike it's even easier: You just have to keep your mouth open :-)

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #90 on: August 08, 2016, 08:03:24 AM »
I found this site when I was around 38.  It helped me to see the light and to sock away enough FU money to get a divorce.  Before that we operated with zero savings and barely $100 buffer in checking account.  There were some 401k accounts, but nothing to get excited about. 
 I divorced at 40 (last year) and have been on my own for about 14 months now (with two teens and child support that I receive from ex).  Was doing really well till about this past May.  Then got layed off and just started new job last week, by choice.  I had this offer around 3rd week of June, but chose to spend July traveling.   I am also taking another 2 weeks end of Aug beginning of Sept without pay to travel again.  Thank you FU money.

With this new job, I am taking a set back financially, and I am hoping this a temporary situation.  I am planning to start looking for better position once I am back from vacation in September and am hoping to find what I really want by the end of the year. 

I am currently on path to retire around 55 with only minimal need to work part time or doing occasional consulting projects after that.  However, I am being realistic, that I don't know how my life will turn out to be at this point.  Will I find another long term relationship/marriage that will change the situation?  Will I stay single and decide to travel the world?  Will I stay single and move to another part of the country?  All speculations at this point.  I am staying put for at least another 6 years till youngest kid finishes high school.  Then I may move to a LCL area and work another 8-10 years. This gives me 6 years to figure out my next step and then another 8+ years to figure out the step after that.

One thing I know, is that if I stayed in my marriage, I'd be broker till the day I die.  That won't be happening now.

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #91 on: August 16, 2016, 02:55:02 PM »
First time posting here.  I couldn't resist because this thread fit me perfectly.  It's very reassuring to know that I'm not the only one to have "seen the light of MMM" after passing 40.

I discovered MMM exactly one year ago at the age of 41 and was embarrassed to realize that I was the prototypical Consumer Sucka (and still am in many respects).  We live in an unnecessarily large house in a very high COL suburb of Washington, DC. We drove two expensive German SUVs, both bought on credit, even though my commute is only 4 miles and my wife is a stay-at-home Mom to our three kids.  We hardly paid any attention to our weekly/monthly/yearly spending and basically spent whatever we wanted on food, clothes, travel, and everything else.  The only saving grace was that I'm in a high-income job at a very generous company which has enabled me to fully max out my retirement accounts every year and also put away a little bit more in taxable accounts.  Even still, we've averaged only around a 20% savings rate.  After finding this site, I read every single MMM article in just a few weeks and tried to start implementing as much of the advice as I could.  When I read the article about the 4% rule and calculated our annual spending at nearly $200K, I realized that I would need to accumulate a stash of about $5M (gulp!) if we didn't trim our expenses and I'd likely be working until at least 60 years old.  Having read about so many people here who retired in their 30s and 40s, I have become convinced that I can do it too. 

Over the course of the past year, we have:

Sold both German SUVs and downsized to a used VW Golf and used Toyota Highlander (not ideal, but baby steps!).  And no more car loans!
Bought a bike and started biking to work as much as possible
Bring lunch to work every day
Moved taxable accounts away from a Financial Advisor charging >1% and into Index Funds at Vanguard
Moved all 401(k) money into Index Funds at Fidelity (where my Company 401k is held)
Started tracking expenses and Net Worth on Personal Capital
Cut cable bill in half (not ready to cut the cord entirely yet, but we'll get there!)
Refinanced mortgage to save about $900 per month
Sold cash-flow negative rental property
Started selling unnecessary "stuff" on Craigslist, eBay.
Have gotten much smarter about grocery shopping and have trimmed our monthly spend by about 40%.  We can still do even better.

We are still implementing many more changes in our day-to-day lives, but the biggest remaining item on the list is the decision of whether or not to relocate to a lower COL area.  If we do that, we could be FIRE in the next five years.

I really can't thank MMM enough (as well as all the other contributors on this forum).  It seems like an exaggeration to say that a website changed one's life, but in my case, it really did.

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #92 on: August 16, 2016, 05:15:54 PM »
First time posting here.  I couldn't resist because this thread fit me perfectly.  It's very reassuring to know that I'm not the only one to have "seen the light of MMM" after passing 40.
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I really can't thank MMM enough (as well as all the other contributors on this forum).  It seems like an exaggeration to say that a website changed one's life, but in my case, it really did.

+1  I am not exaggerating at all when I say this website changed my life.  Changed my husband's life by osmosis too!  And I tell him that sometimes.   :)

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #93 on: August 16, 2016, 07:25:15 PM »
The key is to feel challenged & fulfilled by your lifestyle.  Frugality, not deprivation.  Keep tweaking the parameters (with the advice of the forum and MMM's blog posts) when it makes sense.  Find the right combination of automation and simplicity so that compounding can do the rest with minimal expenses. 

Well put! The added benefit of doing that is how it frees up time to do more fun fulfilling things, especially for those of us still pre-FIRE with less available time and energy.

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #94 on: August 17, 2016, 06:12:53 AM »
First time posting here.  I couldn't resist because this thread fit me perfectly.  It's very reassuring to know that I'm not the only one to have "seen the light of MMM" after passing 40.

I discovered MMM exactly one year ago at the age of 41 and was embarrassed to realize that I was the prototypical Consumer Sucka (and still am in many respects).  We live in an unnecessarily large house in a very high COL suburb of Washington, DC. We drove two expensive German SUVs, both bought on credit, even though my commute is only 4 miles and my wife is a stay-at-home Mom to our three kids.  We hardly paid any attention to our weekly/monthly/yearly spending and basically spent whatever we wanted on food, clothes, travel, and everything else.  The only saving grace was that I'm in a high-income job at a very generous company which has enabled me to fully max out my retirement accounts every year and also put away a little bit more in taxable accounts.  Even still, we've averaged only around a 20% savings rate.  After finding this site, I read every single MMM article in just a few weeks and tried to start implementing as much of the advice as I could.  When I read the article about the 4% rule and calculated our annual spending at nearly $200K, I realized that I would need to accumulate a stash of about $5M (gulp!) if we didn't trim our expenses and I'd likely be working until at least 60 years old.  Having read about so many people here who retired in their 30s and 40s, I have become convinced that I can do it too. 

Over the course of the past year, we have:

Sold both German SUVs and downsized to a used VW Golf and used Toyota Highlander (not ideal, but baby steps!).  And no more car loans!
Bought a bike and started biking to work as much as possible
Bring lunch to work every day
Moved taxable accounts away from a Financial Advisor charging >1% and into Index Funds at Vanguard
Moved all 401(k) money into Index Funds at Fidelity (where my Company 401k is held)
Started tracking expenses and Net Worth on Personal Capital
Cut cable bill in half (not ready to cut the cord entirely yet, but we'll get there!)
Refinanced mortgage to save about $900 per month
Sold cash-flow negative rental property
Started selling unnecessary "stuff" on Craigslist, eBay.
Have gotten much smarter about grocery shopping and have trimmed our monthly spend by about 40%.  We can still do even better.

We are still implementing many more changes in our day-to-day lives, but the biggest remaining item on the list is the decision of whether or not to relocate to a lower COL area.  If we do that, we could be FIRE in the next five years.

I really can't thank MMM enough (as well as all the other contributors on this forum).  It seems like an exaggeration to say that a website changed one's life, but in my case, it really did.


SO INSPIRING!!! :)

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #95 on: August 17, 2016, 06:26:40 AM »
As I'm typing this (sitting at my desk, at work) I'm thinking that it's going to be a long, tough wait to 57+ and retirement! Now that I have a concrete plan for retiring and doing so before the traditional age of 65 (or more) I find myself really longing for that life.

To be honest, I'd love to be retired tomorrow. I've got a family, tons of hobbies and a lot of other interests that I'd rather spend my time on. I don't work a particularly high powered job, I'm not making a ton of money and I'm not saving the world here. I really feel like now I'm just biding my time. I work the best I can and don't hate my job but there are so many things I'd rather be doing with my day.

Also, I've got a killer 1:45 minute commute, each way. The only reason I'm still here is that I am a bit over payed and that the benefits are extraordinary. My insurance costs are very cheap and one of my two kids has a medical condition that has required several surgeries in the past and will require several more in the future. That and they contribute 10% of my salary to my retirement plan.

In the next few weeks my wife and I are going to sit down and take another hard look at our finances to see if we can't shave off another year or two.

I joined here in 2013. I was already frugal. I had saved a fair amount. And yet I did not see how I'd ever retire. The other day, I reflected how Pete starting this site--and all of you guys who have helped me--changed my life for the better.

When I first joined, I thought I was on a nine-year plan. I knew age discrimination would start happening, so we saved 50-60% of income while cutting $14K in expenses. Yes, we thought we were frugal and we STILL found ways to cut and save.

With the market, the savings, my spouse's book sale, our expense reductions, and me boot strapping what became a lucrative business, I am on track to be FIRE anytime between now and three years.

I am transitioning my business to a format that excites me even more than the current format. If/when this works, then I'm not sure I'll ever fully retire. I love what I'm doing because I get to invent it all. =-))

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #96 on: August 17, 2016, 08:33:42 AM »
Found this site and others 2 years ago at age 41.  We weren't doing bad financially but I instantly could see our lifestyle creep.  We had been tracking NW and budgeting since 2000 so it was easy to see.  Made many easy changes right off the bat and continue to fine tune spending.  2 years ago NW was around 730K.  Should pass 1 million at the end of this month.  Prior to 2 years ago, was planning on retiring "early" at age 58 when I would be eligible for a modest retirement package from the company.  Now 47 is the target if things go as planned or better, otherwise 48.

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #97 on: August 17, 2016, 01:08:59 PM »
Did my first 'retirement spreadsheet' back in the 90's and was using something like a 12% rate of return.  Yeah, hunny, we'll have millions of dollars when we retire, we can keep spending and saving the way we are.  Ha!  ha!  ..so naive!!  Man, with the mistakes we made and the $$ we've earned/saved/lost (dumb decisions) over the years, we should have been retired a long time ago.

Fast forward to about 5 years ago and re-did the plan...yep, still on track for 65.  Found MMM about a year later (@45 yrs) and tried to get hubby on board - he met me half-way, so I consider it a win.  We still have an inflated lifestyle, but at least it's not creeping and we're more thoughtful about the things we spend on.  We're on target for me to retire at 53 and him 3 years later at 59 - he's got a sizable pension waiting for him at that time - so we agreed that if he wants to keep spending on his expensive hobby, then he can work longer...and he's cool with that plan.

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #98 on: August 17, 2016, 08:56:32 PM »
Found this site and others 2 years ago at age 41.  We weren't doing bad financially but I instantly could see our lifestyle creep.  We had been tracking NW and budgeting since 2000 so it was easy to see.  Made many easy changes right off the bat and continue to fine tune spending.  2 years ago NW was around 730K.  Should pass 1 million at the end of this month.  Prior to 2 years ago, was planning on retiring "early" at age 58 when I would be eligible for a modest retirement package from the company.  Now 47 is the target if things go as planned or better, otherwise 48.

Great news. I love stories like that. =-)

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Re: Who here is over 40 and just recently came here?
« Reply #99 on: August 18, 2016, 08:59:03 AM »
Thanks OT!  Enjoyed reading up on your expense slashing.  Inspiring!