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Playing on my Cash Flow Quadrant thread, are ther books or websites you'd recommend?

I'm making a concerted effort to derisk from mainly stock market returns and reduce my need to sell my time to corporate America.

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What do you mean when you ask about generative cash flow? 

Side gigs?  Passive income?

Here's a 6-page thread that may answer your question:
http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/who-has-a-side-gigjob-that-brings-in-extra-cash-share-with-us!/

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What do you mean when you ask about generative cash flow? 

Side gigs?  Passive income?

Here's a 6-page thread that may answer your question:
http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/who-has-a-side-gigjob-that-brings-in-extra-cash-share-with-us!/

Preferably more passive income. Not sure what you mean by "generative cash flow", maybe a typo but I'm speaking of ways to generate passive cash flow. I don't want to exchange selling my time from one entity to another and nothing comes for free but I'm looking to sell less time for some amount of cash flow.

Ill check that thread as well. Thx

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Yeah, typo.

There is no such thing as truly passive cash flow, unless you're okay with almost no return.  If you want an okay return, there will be work involved.  The closest to passive cash flow comes from paper assets paying dividends, and even that will require some work.

Royalties from copyrights and patents can be passive after the work is done, but there's a LOT of up front work, and no guarantee it'll be a success.

That thread is side gigs - extra way to earn some cash.  Not passive.

Rental real estate is semi-passive cash flow, especially if you have a property manager.  But again, takes work to find the investment, manage it, etc.

Even a set it and forget it portfolio should include things like rebalancing, tax loss harvesting, etc.

So there's no real passive if you want more gains.  If you want completely passive and risk free you can stick it in a savings account at 0.01% interest rate and earn $100,000 per year (assuming you have 1 billion dollars to invest).

Most of us settle for semi-passive income, and the amount of activity/passivity is dependent on a number of things.  I don't mind the work that comes with real estate, due to the returns (I'll be able to FIRE way faster).  Others wouldn't touch owning rental properties with a 10-foot pole.
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Yeah, typo.

There is no such thing as truly passive cash flow, unless you're okay with almost no return.  If you want an okay return, there will be work involved.  The closest to passive cash flow comes from paper assets paying dividends, and even that will require some work.

Royalties from copyrights and patents can be passive after the work is done, but there's a LOT of up front work, and no guarantee it'll be a success.

That thread is side gigs - extra way to earn some cash.  Not passive.

Rental real estate is semi-passive cash flow, especially if you have a property manager.  But again, takes work to find the investment, manage it, etc.

Even a set it and forget it portfolio should include things like rebalancing, tax loss harvesting, etc.

So there's no real passive if you want more gains.  If you want completely passive and risk free you can stick it in a savings account at 0.01% interest rate and earn $100,000 per year (assuming you have 1 billion dollars to invest).

Most of us settle for semi-passive income, and the amount of activity/passivity is dependent on a number of things.  I don't mind the work that comes with real estate, due to the returns (I'll be able to FIRE way faster).  Others wouldn't touch owning rental properties with a 10-foot pole.

Not intending to sound condescending but I think most understand beyond dividends, Cd's, savings account, etc there's not much truly passive income.

What I'm researching is a way to work less and generate as much cash flow as possible: either 1) work less but generate less but acceptable cash flow and therefore free up some time. Or 2) work more but generate more cash flow which may allow a more full "retirement" as more semi-passive cashflow could be generated later and FIRE from a higher stash.

I think you understand what I'm describing based on what I'm saying here above.

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Yeah, typo.

There is no such thing as truly passive cash flow, unless you're okay with almost no return.  If you want an okay return, there will be work involved.  The closest to passive cash flow comes from paper assets paying dividends, and even that will require some work.

Royalties from copyrights and patents can be passive after the work is done, but there's a LOT of up front work, and no guarantee it'll be a success.

That thread is side gigs - extra way to earn some cash.  Not passive.

Rental real estate is semi-passive cash flow, especially if you have a property manager.  But again, takes work to find the investment, manage it, etc.

Even a set it and forget it portfolio should include things like rebalancing, tax loss harvesting, etc.

So there's no real passive if you want more gains.  If you want completely passive and risk free you can stick it in a savings account at 0.01% interest rate and earn $100,000 per year (assuming you have 1 billion dollars to invest).

Most of us settle for semi-passive income, and the amount of activity/passivity is dependent on a number of things.  I don't mind the work that comes with real estate, due to the returns (I'll be able to FIRE way faster).  Others wouldn't touch owning rental properties with a 10-foot pole.

Not intending to sound condescending but I think most understand beyond dividends, Cd's, savings account, etc there's not much truly passive income.

What I'm researching is a way to work less and generate as much cash flow as possible: either 1) work less but generate less but acceptable cash flow and therefore free up some time. Or 2) work more but generate more cash flow which may allow a more full "retirement" as more semi-passive cashflow could be generated later and FIRE from a higher stash.

I think you understand what I'm describing based on what I'm saying here above.

Clear as mud.

I like my money fairy breeding operation.  I introduced some cottontail genetics into their bloodline so while they now eat their own feces, they breed like rabbits.  Easy, and passive so long as you don't mind cleaning out the cage and having to cull a few now and again.

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Right, I'm just trying to point out that it's a spectrum.

On one end of it, there's a savings account that takes no work.  Slightly more work is a CD, where you have to do things like a CD ladder, and find a new CD when one matures, and things like that. Slightly more work is dividend stocks.

On the other side of the spectrum there's things like running your own business.

Somewhere in the middle is real estate (managed by others) and slightly more work than that is real estate (managed by yourself, hiring out the work) and slightly more work than that is real estate (managed by yourself, doing the work yourself).

My point is that there's a huge range of "passive" income, and it's not really passive.

So when you want "cash flow" and "passive income" you need to define what level of work on that spectrum is acceptable to you.

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I don't mind the work that comes with real estate, due to the returns (I'll be able to FIRE way faster).  Others wouldn't touch owning rental properties with a 10-foot pole.

That's a good example.  But if you're not defining that for yourself, and just asking some generic "I want passive cash flow how do I get it" question, you won't get very good or specific answers.
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having to cull a few now and again.

That's the best part.  They're delicious on a bun with a little ketchup.
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i am going to suggest a way to generate a little bit of cashflow with minimal work:

WELFARE !!!!

now i am going to run before i get bashed to death.

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If you want a good primer on the basics of marketing and small business thinking, I recommend "The Personal MBA" by Josh Kaufman. Having recently completed a degree in Business, I can see the parallels between much of the content I have learned and the content in that book. It won't be enough on its own to make you rich, but it does cover a lot of the fundamentals of microbusiness which you will benefit from knowing if you wish to make your side hustle anything more than a casual cottage industry.

If you decide that blogging is your thing, http://www.problogger.net. I will of course gift you with the best thing I learned from that site: it will take three to four years of full-time effort to make a blog into your primary income, as a rule. Blogging is not an instant and endless money fountain.

If you are crafty, http://www.etsy.com or similar marketplaces. Even just browsing around these sites may give you inspiration for something you are skilled at making, but you didn't realise could be your hustle.

If you want to try the online reseller route, http://www.alibaba.com. Do be aware that going down that way will require a lot more capital and entail a lot more risk (because there is no particular reason why someone else cannot do exactly the same thing as you). This is the reason why ebay sites are not generally that profitable unless they work in volume, in a very niche market, or have a strong value proposition. Maybe skim through http://www.reddit.com/r/flipping first.

Also http://www.reddit.com/r/beermoney and http://www.reddit.com/r/workonline. I cannot vouch for any of the stuff off reddit, but it's there.

My guess is if you don't have any skills of high value, it will take one to three years to develop a skill of sufficient value to make a decent pile of cash off it. If you already have skills of high value, and they're not being put to use in your job, you're underemployed and the first step is to seek better work. If your skills are being put to use in the job, you have three options for side hustlin': use the same skill privately (which may not be viable depending on the skill), use a different skill you already possess, or select and develop a new skill.

If you decide to go for a new skill, be sure it's one that is at least moderately valuable but is also at least moderately fun - you will be spending a lot of time on it, so don't get too enthused about something with big cash potential if you're just not interested in it. For me, this was programming. Looked interesting, and valuable, tried it - hated it. Nope nope nope...

You don't really need a skill if you run a business of some kind. Every possible element of a business can be outsourced - all you need to do is provide some cash, the ideas, and the legwork required to arrange whatever it is you need done.

Don't buy a franchise. Franchising exists to make the owner of the business model rich, not the franchisees. My poor, poor cousin... If you want to operate a small business, buy one already in operation (lower risk but much worse return, at worst you'll have bought yourself a job) or start one up (much much riskier, but much better return potential too).

Online businesses are all the rage; thanks to the relatively small overheads, even a product with limited appeal can be profitable. I know someone who once bought a pdf guide to making sofa covers. Niche? Yes. Profitable? Yes. That $5 probably covered half the website's operating costs for the month. Sell three of those a month and the operator's making bank. The trick is finding something that you can make (or pay someone to make for you) that people will want to buy. I haven't figured that part out yet, and frankly even if I did I wouldn't tell you, I'd be out there doing it myself. This is the main reason you'll only find general business advice and scam get-rich-quick products online - why tell you or even sell you an idea that I could make more money off implementing myself?

If you want a crash course in operating an online store, there are websites where you can buy online businesses. You may get scammed, you may barely be able to keep a site going, but there really is no better education than plunging in and having a go. Just make sure you don't overcommit, of course.

Hope this braindump helped in some small way.

@anisotropy: ^_^
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Protip: Not to be condescending, but if you start a sentence saying you don't intend to sound condescending, you're gonna sound condescending.  Good luck on your search.

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Wow, another excellent post, Wildflame.  Thank you for taking the time to type it up.
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