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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2019, 03:28:58 AM »
I owned a Transportation Brokerage, A trucking Company with 35 OTR Tractor and Trailers and A Warehousing Facility that serviced all 48 States and Canada. I would recommend The Brokerage if you wanta hustle and make some good money for 10 years and get the hell out . I was in the industry almost as a whole for 30 years and wouldn't recommend it as its gone to shit for so many reasons I will get stressed out if I name them Hence why I fire'd. At one point I owned a Landscaping business for 3 years and did very well and enjoyed it and I owned a chain of Franchise stores that I got in early on. Though I did ok on the franchises it was when I sold them so I would recommend that but Landscaping we did Hardscaping and softscaping high end and I loved it. Had it not been for a medical issue that took a year to figure out ( I am fine now) I would still be in it but had 3 full crews and very labor sensitive so if I was still in it I couldnt be to involved and would be either alot bigger or just one crew.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2019, 05:39:36 AM »
Auto Insurance. Started out in claims, then middle management, auditing, and now I do odds and ends in a communications type product manager role for our home office.

I had the good fortune/timing of being one of the first people hired into my entry level role after they started requiring a college degree, I think that gave me a distinct advantage in being able to move up vs. my peers (although I was also busy working while they spent most of their time bitching).

Pros: stable, large company so you can find so many areas that interest you, large company benefits/pay
Cons: large company BS, cubicle farms, its insurance so hard to be motivated/excited/feel like you make a difference in the world

Outlook: Insurance might be the world's greatest swindle, but at least in some form it will be around forever as it has cleverly been baked into regulations (nothing like forcing consumerism). I would be especially careful regarding the future prospects of auto claims, as autonomous vehicles should drive down claim frequency as they become more prevalent (the most dangerous part of the car is the driver).   

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2019, 06:04:54 AM »
I'm a high school math and engineering teacher at a vocational high school. I'm paid better than many (vocational ed is well funded in my state), and I'm about to max out the pay scale due to continuing education credits (masters + 20 hours). I have a fair schedule that stays consistent and I can feel good about the work I do. I'm in a unionized state and have a supportive administration.

That said, I know I missed out on a larger paycheck had I gone into engineering or software development. But what's worse is the popular culture tropes -- those who can't do teach -- that I'm overpaid and lazy, not smart, etc. I'm 7 years in and that really bothers me! Its a rewarding job but if someone is looking to be "respected" by society through their career, find something else.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2019, 06:17:13 AM »
Curious to know what careers/ jobs / business people on this forum have or have had if you don't mind sharing. And whether or not you still think its a good career choice now with automation/ outsourcing. I'm at a career crossroads and looking for a new one, but most options don't seem very good these days.

Ditto software engineer.  What a surprise. 

Yes I would still recommend it but as mentioned by others you need grunt work in being able to seek out an employer with good working conditions, no egos, primadonnas and so on.

Some downsides/observations from this somewhat jaded old hack:

1. Working with appalling legacy code and dated technologies coming towards the end of their lifespans. 
2. Related to 1. dealing with bad code knocked up in a hurry that kinda works but where the incentive was to impress some manager wallah.  I see this ALL the time.
3. Any organisation with a supposed "rock star" developer.  ALWAYS an indication of dysfunctional work environment; one in which individuals are cherry picking tasks and know-how is not getting spread. 
4. Continual interruptions from peers, stakeholders and other "outsiders" that feel the need to offer "input" which is almost invariably noise.  Seen any of Jim Coplien's videos on Agile/Scrum and how IT has lost its way?  These people have yet to watch.
5. Testers who are either committee-aholics who never REALLY test, or pedants obsessing over inconsequential things.  Mind numbing and neither get to the things that matter.
6. Product owners not taking ownership, instead placing onus on developers to come up with stories and ideas, only to have them shot down later.

If you can avoid the above as far as possible, and if you like problem solving and creating things that enable users to do things they couldn't before, I recommend this as a career.
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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #54 on: March 07, 2019, 12:54:15 AM »
Retail Pharmacist
Not recommended.  Good salary but it's going down due to over supply of new Pharmacists.  High stress, no breaks, no lunch.  Catching hell from customers over things we have no control over, some examples: insurance co-pays, back ordered drugs, prior authorisations, non-responsive doctors' offices.  "Entitled" customers/patients. Never enough help scheduled and difficult to impossible metrics to meet. Often Prima Donna, lying, incompetent managers, DMs, etc.  More likely than a lot of professions to suffer an armed robbery. The list goes on & on.
I grew up on a farm.  I've picked cotton & shoveled manure.  Some days at work I remember shoveling shit fondly.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #55 on: March 07, 2019, 01:34:49 AM »
Retail Pharmacist
Not recommended.  Good salary but it's going down due to over supply of new Pharmacists.  High stress, no breaks, no lunch.  Catching hell from customers over things we have no control over, some examples: insurance co-pays, back ordered drugs, prior authorisations, non-responsive doctors' offices.  "Entitled" customers/patients. Never enough help scheduled and difficult to impossible metrics to meet. Often Prima Donna, lying, incompetent managers, DMs, etc.  More likely than a lot of professions to suffer an armed robbery. The list goes on & on.
I grew up on a farm.  I've picked cotton & shoveled manure.  Some days at work I remember shoveling shit fondly.

Isn't it illegal to work without the option of having a lunch break?

There are some other jobs available for pharmacists. Think of working at a software company that makes pharmacy software. Or at the branch organization, or at the pharmacy chain organization.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2019, 10:55:31 AM »
Isn't it illegal to work without the option of having a lunch break?

A lot of the protections in the US vary state by state. Also, a lot of them don't apply if you are classified as a "manager", which may or may not mean actually being a manager. But even lowly minimum wage cashiers in convenience stores don't get a scheduled break if management can do some hand waving about how they'll get periodic breaks when there aren't any customers in the store.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #57 on: March 07, 2019, 11:25:01 AM »
I work in "relationship management" at a large bank. Basically work with CFOs/CEOs of companies to provide them with banking services (loans, treasury, etc.).  I think I would recommend the gig to some people, but not to others.  I think this job works really well if you have a finance degree and want to earn a very good living (starting compensation right out of college of around $70k with potential to get to low six figures pretty easily within 5 years) with reasonable hours (40-50 hours per week).  Probably the most fun part of the job is working directly with business leaders and being able to meet face to face with them on regular basis. By far, the worst part of the job is compliance. A large percentage of my average day is just doing stuff to appease the government and not doing the fun stuff.

However, for other people that are willing to slave away a few years in an investment bank or similar intense industries (private equity, sales and trading, consulting, hedge funds, etc.), you will likely come out ahead from a total compensation perspective and have better exit opportunities if you are able to get through about 2 years of it.  The downsides of those industries are the massive levels of stress that go along with the job, the 80-100 hour work weeks, and the way some institutions treat you as analyst.  Due to investment banks losing talent to other industries (mainly silicon valley), there has been some good policies companies have enacted such as mandatory PTO, restrictions against working on weekends, etc., but it's still a brutally tough industry. 

Long rambling way of saying, yes, I would recommend this career to someone interested in finance that likes working with people and values a good work/life balance.  For others that are interested in maximizing compensation, are very bright/talented, and don't value work/life balance as much when they are young/single, I would probably steer them towards one of the other industries I mentioned.








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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #58 on: March 07, 2019, 01:30:15 PM »
I'm an attorney who does civil litigation insurance defense work.  I like what I do usually, even though trial is very stressful.  I am a partner at a small firm so I do not have to deal with the insane billable hours requirements I see at other firms. 

I would say, on the whole, that I would not recommend someone go to law school at this point.  Markets for lawyers are saturated and the incredibly high-paying Big Law jobs are not for most people.  And most public interest jobs and government jobs are rather low paying, especially compared to the level of student loan debt many law grads have these days.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #59 on: March 07, 2019, 02:04:49 PM »
I'm a research engineer, focusing on energy efficient building design. Lots of laboratory experimentation, developing mathematical models to mimic how different pieces of technology work, etc.

I wouldn't make a flat out statement that I would/would not recommend something, because so much of it depends on your personality and what you're into. Are you highly interested in machines and how they work? Do you like math? Do you want to be left alone at a computer, or in a lab all day? Do you tend to have a fairly reserved personality type, and like people who are similar in that way? If so, yeah, I'd recommend it to people.

That said, I'm constantly thinking about changing career paths and even spent time this morning looking at going back to school to study psychology. I feel like I got into engineering research because 1) My family is a bunch of technical people, it was what I knew, it was how I knew to relate to people, and b) I'm wildly imaginative, so I wanted to be able to create new things, and figured that creating new technologies would be satisfying. But it doesn't fit my personality well. I want to care about people more than machines. I'm not all that interested in math. I definitely like talking to people much more than sitting alone at a computer or in a lab. And I definitely don't have a reserved personality type, or thrive when I'm surrounded by highly reserved people all day. So I'm thinking of moving to industrial/organizational psychology, and studying how we can make healthy, productive workplace cultures.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2019, 07:27:21 AM »
I was a field engineer for one of the big oil and gas service companies.

I would hesitatingly recommend it for the right person, which is someone youngish and fresh out of school, able to put work ahead of everything else including kids/family, who's reasonably tough and thick skinned, and up for a big adventure.

From the get go the training was spectacular. Similarly, the hours and schedules were long. In Canada they were sued so even trainees such as myself ended up getting the 2 weeks on 1 week off rotation schedule from day 1, however in pretty much every other country except others with strict labour laws, you will likely work the first 6-8 months until your initial training is done with maybe 10 days off given as treats. Of those two weeks you'd be at work for maybe half at the shop if things were slow, or all of it if it was busy and you were in the field.

Then you start running jobs on your own. 24/7 schedule. When it's busy expect to be gone for the whole 2 weeks. When you're running flat out the schedule would be something like work for 8-48 hours at well site on a job, sleep for 8-10 hours so that drivers could legally reset to drive again, repeat.
Money was great. Got to travel a lot, every third week off to do small trips. Slow down in spring meant you could take 4-6 weeks off, most of it paid, and do a big trip.

Allowed me to transfer to Asia after a few years and run really high profile jobs. More travel, more money, zero expenses, little tax. I credit this to being borderline FIRE at early 30s. However, zero rights for time management and no labour laws. On paper schedule was 8 weeks on, 3 off, but this was always rearranged. Longest stretch was 18 weeks with no days off, because it was busy. Several times I'd go on vacation expecting a few weeks off, only to be told to turn around and book a flight a few days later.

The oil industry at the field level is spectacular for a young person seeking money and adventure. That said I'm glad I got/was forced out when I did via layoff a few years ago, because when you're 30 making 200k a year, if you're a spendypants you need it, and if you're a saver (me) you realize this may be your best money making opportunity of your life so in either case 'one more year' syndrome is very real. The older people 40+ still doing the field life are largely all divorced, strained relationships with family, and seem to have little going for their life aside from money, work and fancy toys they rarely enjoy. Seems jumping out of bed at 2am for a phone call then telling the wife/kids you're fucking off for somewhere between 8 hours and 8 weeks puts a strain on things. 

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2019, 11:06:44 PM »
Lots of good replies in here, what do you think would be the best job/career for FIRE?

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #62 on: March 14, 2019, 05:40:32 AM »
Lots of good replies in here, what do you think would be the best job/career for FIRE?

The best kind of job for FIRE would be one that allows the most freedom for cheap living. Many jobs that pay well also require a professional wardrobe, nice car, taking clients out to lunch, etc. So I would eliminate any job that requires a lifestyle image.

When I became a full-time telecommuter, I was able to move to a LCOL area while retaining my HCOL salary. I can wear the same blue jeans and t-shirt every day if I want to, I don't need a car, I make all my own meals. So being a full-time telecommuter accelerated my FIREability

I think it's also really important to find a career you don't HATE. If your daily grind is emotionally intolerable your odds of sticking with it to FIRE are worse even if your motivation to FIRE is greater. It will destroy your physical and emotional health and you'll need a sabbatical to recover.

Beyond that any career that pays enough to cover basic expenses and investments will do.

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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #63 on: March 15, 2019, 09:27:43 AM »
Software engineer. Do not recommend. .. At times it feels like being an assembly line worker, but without the danger of being mangled by machinery.

I was also a software engineer and I do not recommend it. Our management believed that full automation was just around the corner and spent as much time as possible "re-organizing" (i.e. laying off) positions, then discovering that those positions were actually necessary for the functioning of the organization. Then they hired cheaper H1-B labor to fill the gaps. It was getting more and more difficult to communicate with engineers who were mostly from India and did not speak English well. 


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Re: What is/ was your career and would you recommend it now?
« Reply #64 on: March 15, 2019, 10:54:51 AM »
Program Manager

I love what I do!  Lots of responsibility, lots of networking and interaction (Engineering, Finance, Contracts, Production, Customer, ect) and generally very good pay.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!