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General Discussion => Welcome and General Discussion => Topic started by: engineerjourney on January 29, 2014, 04:57:22 PM
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Just want to see if this poll can help take a snapshot of the forum. I know I sometimes assume gender based on user name and have been proven wrong many times! I am starting to find that there are more and more females than I thought on the forums. I am sure this poll has been done before but no harm in doing it again (would also love a link to any old ones). Feel free to post your gender too so we can connect it with your user name. Probably a surprise to some based on my user name but I am female!!
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oh my, a mystery gender already! :-D
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Boobs. I chose a female avatar so that I wouldn't have to tell people I'm a girl.
There are so many posters here who I love reading and have no idea if they're male or female. Some really surprise me when they announce their gender.
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Poll confirms females more likely to answer polls
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Poll confirms females more likely to answer polls
That made me laugh! And I am a woman who answered this poll!
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Poll confirms females more likely to answer polls
hahaha, its almost even now!
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Poll confirms females more likely to answer polls
or:
Poll confirms females more likely to answer polls about gender.
(edit ad lib)
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You get one guess
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Female! My user name means noodle head... Hence the avatar of a dog with noodles on its head.
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You get one guess
Meat popsicle
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You get one guess
Meat popsicle
+1
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Excuse my extreme thickness. There are a few user names that took me far longer than it should have to work out what they were supposed to be:
Apologies to:
wtjb-at-man
are-bel-spy
match-ewed
tooq-k4u-22
yes yes before you start I get them all now. But honestly if one brave punter didn't stick their neck out and actually start a thread asking about ARebelSpy I would still be looking at it wrong.
Gender you can normally tell from writing style. And from the type of advice dished out - I reckon most of the harshest facepunches are delivered by the ladies. But yeah there are a few names and styles that can be ambiguous.
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I might add, when I first started reading the boards a couple of posters did get me really confused when they referred to their same sex partners.
Ingrained assumption when one refers to a female/male partner is that the poster is male/female. It's not always the case :)
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Excuse my extreme thickness. There are a few user names that took me far longer than it should have to work out what they were supposed to be:
Apologies to:
wtjb-at-man
are-bel-spy
match-ewed
tooq-k4u-22
yes yes before you start I get them all now. But honestly if one brave punter didn't stick their neck out and actually start a thread asking about ARebelSpy I would still be looking at it wrong.
Gender you can normally tell from writing style. And from the type of advice dished out - I reckon most of the harshest facepunches are delivered by the ladies. But yeah there are a few names and styles that can be ambiguous.
Darn. With the exception of Arebelspy, I don't get any of the usernames above.
Also, you can tell gender from writing style? I can't. And I used to be a writing tutor.
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Excuse my extreme thickness. There are a few user names that took me far longer than it should have to work out what they were supposed to be:
Apologies to:
wtjb-at-man
are-bel-spy
match-ewed
tooq-k4u-22
yes yes before you start I get them all now. But honestly if one brave punter didn't stick their neck out and actually start a thread asking about ARebelSpy I would still be looking at it wrong.
Gender you can normally tell from writing style. And from the type of advice dished out - I reckon most of the harshest facepunches are delivered by the ladies. But yeah there are a few names and styles that can be ambiguous.
Actually mine is just one solid name. My grandfather only had one tooth and didn't speak English well (read at all). So he was not used to the English version of Matthew and it'd come out garbled and sounding like "matchewed". Sadly nothing clever at all, just a personal reminder of memories.
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Obviously I'm a lady type person. But Elaine isn't my real name. Or even part of my real name- named it after Seinfeld, because I'm...timely.
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Too late. It'll forever be: ahh-re-BEL-spee
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Poll confirms females more likely to answer polls
Yep, particularly because we know we're a minority here (or I think we are, anyway?)
I might add, when I first started reading the boards a couple of posters did get me really confused when they referred to their same sex partners.
Ingrained assumption when one refers to a female/male partner is that the poster is male/female. It's not always the case :)
I'm a lady with a wife, so pretty much the whole of the internet assumes I'm a dude.
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Obviously I'm a lady type person. But Elaine isn't my real name. Or even part of my real name- named it after Seinfeld, because I'm...timely.
Similar situation. Female here, but my name is not Nancy, and I actually dislike the name Nancy. ("I'm the whale biologist. Though personally, I hate whales.") I can't remember what possessed me at the time. I think I wanted to sound like an old lady- a regulah ol' broad ovah heah. So there's that.
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I even have my gender in my signature, but people assume I have a hot dog, instead of a bun.
;)
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Obviously I'm a lady type person. But Elaine isn't my real name. Or even part of my real name- named it after Seinfeld, because I'm...timely.
Similar situation. Female here, but my name is not Nancy, and I actually dislike the name Nancy. ("I'm the whale biologist. Though personally, I hate whales.") I can't remember what possessed me at the time. I think I wanted to sound like an old lady- a regulah ol' broad ovah heah. So there's that.
Especially Mushu!
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I have Girl in my name, so there you go. But it's a bit misleading, since I'm 42 and far from my girl days. I've used that name for a while and still feel and look young. I suppose I should change that to KulshanMaam or something one of these days. :/
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I answered NA. I am a female who transitioned to male, then transitioned back to female, although I still don't feel like a girl. My partner is a female to male.
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"I can bring home the bacon,
Fry it up in a pan,
And never let you forget you're a man,
'Cause I'm a wooooooooooman!"
How many remember that tv ad? ;-)
I should make that a sig.
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I even have my gender in my signature, but people assume I have a hot dog, instead of a bun.
;)
Ha! Hot dog for me.
Timely post as I've been reading a lot of posts where people are "ass"uming male posters based on some arbitrary info in the post, or some pre-conceived notion of gender roles. Hopefully this will open a few people's eyes a bit.
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I answered NA. I am a female who transitioned to male, then transitioned back to female, although I still don't feel like a girl. My partner is a female to male.
I'm curious, if you don't mind sharing - how long were you in stage?
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Do guys like to represent themselves with cute Paper Mario avatars? Probably not. :D
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I even have my gender in my signature, but people assume I have a hot dog, instead of a bun.
;)
Ha! Hot dog for me.
Timely post as I've been reading a lot of posts where people are "ass"uming male posters based on some arbitrary info in the post, or some pre-conceived notion of gender roles. Hopefully this will open a few people's eyes a bit.
I just looked down and thought...tater tots. Haha, sorry everyone.
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I also thought this forum was 90% men because the posters often assume I am the husband (and not the wife). Also, the discussions often invoke male-themed examples (cars, sports) instead of female (jewelry, kitchens) but maybe that is sexist. I'm a NFL fan myself and don't wear jewelry. And I actually don't like cooking that much.
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Crazy the high ratio of women on here. I don't feel like I know any in the real world like you aggressively frugal minded ladies. Even more mind blowing is the kind of progress we could make if my wife was one of you.
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I also thought this forum was 90% men because the posters often assume I am the husband (and not the wife). Also, the discussions often invoke male-themed examples (cars, sports) instead of female (jewelry, kitchens) but maybe that is sexist. I'm a NFL fan myself and don't wear jewelry. And I actually don't like cooking that much.
Agree, I thought it was mostly male based on the themes. More power to women then, in learning many traditional cross-gender fixes for homes, cars etc.
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To be fair I'm not sure the polls are closed yet. I'm a little surprised to see the number of women so far, but only 180 votes right now so who knows where this will end up.
Even more mind blowing is the kind of progress we could make if my wife was one of you.
+1 - I agree. Love my wife, and we balance each other out in many areas, but man it would be amazing to see what we could do financially if we were both truly frugal.
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I also thought this forum was 90% men because the posters often assume I am the husband (and not the wife). Also, the discussions often invoke male-themed examples (cars, sports) instead of female (jewelry, kitchens) but maybe that is sexist. I'm a NFL fan myself and don't wear jewelry. And I actually don't like cooking that much.
Agree, I thought it was mostly male based on the themes. More power to women then, in learning many traditional cross-gender fixes for homes, cars etc.
I am actually bored by all of the above: cars, sports, jewelry, and kitchens.
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LOL, I thought of that too, dragoncar, that women are simply more talkative and thus more likely to respond.
I chose my username so I wouldn't keep having to repeat my point of view (female, mom, lotsa kids). Hmmm, maybe it's time for an avatar, like HappierAtHome
I remember pictures better than usernames. Just sayin'. If you want an improved chance of me remembering which lovely commentor you are - get a photo up there! :)
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I wonder if it seems more male here than it is because a lot of the women on here don't fit into a lot of female stereotypes? I could see that being the case. Same with the men, it's not a typical group. There's a lot less woman hate/sexism from the guys here than on your average forum- maybe because we're all more independent thinkers/people who question things?
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My baseline opinion of anyone posting on these forums is instant respect. We can work up or down from there, but "the cause" is unique and unifying to me so I tend to view this set of anonymous strangers through a more optimistic prism.
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LOL, I thought of that too, dragoncar, that women are simply more talkative and thus more likely to respond.
I chose my username so I wouldn't keep having to repeat my point of view (female, mom, lotsa kids). Hmmm, maybe it's time for an avatar, like HappierAtHome
I remember pictures better than usernames. Just sayin'. If you want an improved chance of me remembering which lovely commentor you are - get a photo up there! :)
I read a book awhile back about computer hackers. It said something like "assume any women you meet online is actually a teenage boy laughing his ass off"
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I wonder if it seems more male here than it is because a lot of the women on here don't fit into a lot of female stereotypes? I could see that being the case. Same with the men, it's not a typical group. There's a lot less woman hate/sexism from the guys here than on your average forum- maybe because we're all more independent thinkers/people who question things?
^ This. There is still some hate/sexism, but I think this is a pretty open-minded, free thinking group.
My baseline opinion of anyone posting on these forums is instant respect. We can work up or down from there, but "the cause" is unique and unifying to me so I tend to view this set of anonymous strangers through a more optimistic prism.
^ And this. Even when we disagree, most of the time it's very respectful and people tend to see the other side of the argument.
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I answered NA. I am a female who transitioned to male, then transitioned back to female, although I still don't feel like a girl. My partner is a female to male.
I'm curious, if you don't mind sharing - how long were you in stage?
5 years.
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I wonder if it seems more male here than it is because a lot of the women on here don't fit into a lot of female stereotypes? I could see that being the case. Same with the men, it's not a typical group. There's a lot less woman hate/sexism from the guys here than on your average forum- maybe because we're all more independent thinkers/people who question things?
About a month ago, I was changing out a bathroom faucet cartridge (accompanied by the toolbox - we call it "the" toolbox, but I picked it out so it's a lime green and it's got all my tools in it that I brought into the marriage) and the husband was doing the laundry and mentioned he needed to dust and vacuum... and he commented that it's a good thing that we don't have any gender-specific chore hang-ups... and then we both started laughing.
So yeah, I'd kind of agree with that. We look like a typical guy/gal couple, but we're hang-up free and pretty broad minded people.
I mostly don't assume anyone is anything - I think I'm weird in that unless there's an obvious tell like having a pic of themselves or something in their name or posting, I sort of don't read into them being a specific gender. Ya'll could all be highly articulate plant life for all I know. :)
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About a month ago, I was changing out a bathroom faucet cartridge (accompanied by the toolbox - we call it "the" toolbox, but I picked it out so it's a lime green and it's got all my tools in it that I brought into the marriage) and the husband was doing the laundry and mentioned he needed to dust and vacuum... and he commented that it's a good thing that we don't have any gender-specific chore hang-ups... and then we both started laughing.
So yeah, I'd kind of agree with that. We look like a typical guy/gal couple, but we're hang-up free and pretty broad minded people.
I mostly don't assume anyone is anything - I think I'm weird in that unless there's an obvious tell like having a pic of themselves or something in their name or posting, I sort of don't read into them being a specific gender. Ya'll could all be highly articulate plant life for all I know. :)
Haha reminds me of some chores between my wife and I (I'm a hot dog). A lot of them are traditional roles (I do home improvements, she loves cooking) but I do the sewing and ironing, she deals with bugs. I hate bugs!
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To be fair, it's 2014, I can't imagine a lot of people who are in Generation Y having a ton of issues with "gender roles". My girlfriend and I both work full time and split bills evenly. She recently tightened down the bathroom faucet handle and installed a new toilet seat I bought. We both enjoy cooking and share cooking duties pretty evenly.
She also "let's" me take out the trash and recycling, do whatever car work/maintenance is done, and do any dirty work in the yard. While she always does the laundry, does most of the cleaning, and spends too much money on clothes and at Bath and Body Works while I've effectively cut my discretionary and fun budget to close to $0.
So I guess some things change, some things stay the same. ;)
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LOL, I thought of that too, dragoncar, that women are simply more talkative and thus more likely to respond.
I chose my username so I wouldn't keep having to repeat my point of view (female, mom, lotsa kids). Hmmm, maybe it's time for an avatar, like HappierAtHome
I remember pictures better than usernames. Just sayin'. If you want an improved chance of me remembering which lovely commentor you are - get a photo up there! :)
So this post made me finally add a photo, but while I was doing it I found out that the forum software lets you choose an actor/actress/musician as a photo without uploading one. I'm very disappointed to learn that some of the people I thought had posted pictures of themselves were actually impersonating musicians!!! Here I was thinking we are all such an attractive bunch! ;-)
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About a month ago, I was changing out a bathroom faucet cartridge (accompanied by the toolbox - we call it "the" toolbox, but I picked it out so it's a lime green and it's got all my tools in it that I brought into the marriage) and the husband was doing the laundry and mentioned he needed to dust and vacuum... and he commented that it's a good thing that we don't have any gender-specific chore hang-ups... and then we both started laughing.
So yeah, I'd kind of agree with that. We look like a typical guy/gal couple, but we're hang-up free and pretty broad minded people.
I mostly don't assume anyone is anything - I think I'm weird in that unless there's an obvious tell like having a pic of themselves or something in their name or posting, I sort of don't read into them being a specific gender. Ya'll could all be highly articulate plant life for all I know. :)
Haha reminds me of some chores between my wife and I (I'm a hot dog). A lot of them are traditional roles (I do home improvements, she loves cooking) but I do the sewing and ironing, she deals with bugs. I hate bugs!
lol. We're reasonably traditional gender roles (in part because until marrying DH, I didn't really own a car or home to fix, in part because I like crafting, sewing, and in part because left to his own devices it'd be takeout every meal), but I had to clean up the recent "present" his cat left us. Back end of a mouse, bits & pieces of the rest, and the part that the cat ate that didn't agree with her... This despite the fact that DH has a grad degree where he had to play with lab mice for 7 years! Apparently he's terribly grossed out by wild mice.
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Ya'll could all be highly articulate plant life for all I know. :)
I got a real belly laugh out of that one.
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I highly doubt this forum is >50% women as the poll suggests. I would guess more like 20-30%.
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I'm a lady with a wife, so pretty much the whole of the internet assumes I'm a dude.
Well now I see my own bias. I pretty much assumed most people on financial forums are usually political conservatives who don't live in my part of the country (SF bay area). If this was a bay area forum, there probably would have been even more categories to choose from in the gender options.
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... I had to clean up the recent "present" his cat left us. Back end of a mouse, bits & pieces of the rest, and the part that the cat ate that didn't agree with her... This despite the fact that DH has a grad degree where he had to play with lab mice for 7 years! Apparently he's terribly grossed out by wild mice.
The agreement in our house is DW deals with insects, I deal with mammals. Heaven forbid there is ever a reptile somewhere in our house! We'll probably just keep hitting each other yelling "You deal with it!" until it leaves because of the noise.
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The agreement in our house is DW deals with insects, I deal with mammals. Heaven forbid there is ever a reptile somewhere in our house! We'll probably just keep hitting each other yelling "You deal with it!" until it leaves because of the noise.
I (the wife) usually buries all dead animals (possums, coons,squirrels, cats, birds, etc) because my husband knows I used to work on the state highway and clean dead animals off the road and bury them. (That was actually one of my favorite jobs. You get to drive around all day and help animals find a place to rest in peace.)
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I highly doubt this forum is >50% women as the poll suggests. I would guess more like 20-30%.
Considering 212 members have responded, and we only have 454 members who have posted more than 100 times (just using it as a quick and dirty for the significant members, not saying people who have less than 100 posts aren't, it's just useful as a line in the sand) it is entirely possible to have significant results.
Also if you're gonna go off of a guess wouldn't you just use global (or US) percentages as your guess? Making it about 50% which our results aren't far from.
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I had my adams apple shaved this past weekend.
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So this post made me finally add a photo, but while I was doing it I found out that the forum software lets you choose an actor/actress/musician as a photo without uploading one.
I remember pictures better than usernames. Just sayin'. If you want an improved chance of me remembering which lovely commentor you are - get a photo up there! :)
Because of these two things, I sometimes get confused about who is posting.
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Shit. You guys. If the numbers do turn out to be a majority women this place is going to go down the tubes. People will start saying, "Oh, MMM, isn't that some girl thing," and decide that it's stupid. We need to get some more male votes in if only for appearance's sake.
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I'm a lady with a wife, so pretty much the whole of the internet assumes I'm a dude.
Well now I see my own bias. I pretty much assumed most people on financial forums are usually political conservatives who don't live in my part of the country (SF bay area). If this was a bay area forum, there probably would have been even more categories to choose from in the gender options.
Be careful with the quotes - I think you mis-quoted this one to Dragoncar when it was from Samburger. Confused me for a second since I didn't remember Dragoncar posting it above.
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LOL, I thought of that too, dragoncar, that women are simply more talkative and thus more likely to respond.
I chose my username so I wouldn't keep having to repeat my point of view (female, mom, lotsa kids). Hmmm, maybe it's time for an avatar, like HappierAtHome
I remember pictures better than usernames. Just sayin'. If you want an improved chance of me remembering which lovely commentor you are - get a photo up there! :)
I read a book awhile back about computer hackers. It said something like "assume any women you meet online is actually a teenage boy laughing his ass off"
I always thought that everyone you meet online is an FBI agent?
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I'm a lady with a wife, so pretty much the whole of the internet assumes I'm a dude.
Well now I see my own bias. I pretty much assumed most people on financial forums are usually political conservatives who don't live in my part of the country (SF bay area). If this was a bay area forum, there probably would have been even more categories to choose from in the gender options.
Be careful with the quotes - I think you mis-quoted this one to Dragoncar when it was from Samburger. Confused me for a second since I didn't remember Dragoncar posting it above.
"Lol I totally missed that. Just proves anyone can (accidentally) misquote on the internet."
-Ghandi
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I'm a lady with a wife, so pretty much the whole of the internet assumes I'm a dude.
Well now I see my own bias. I pretty much assumed most people on financial forums are usually political conservatives who don't live in my part of the country (SF bay area). If this was a bay area forum, there probably would have been even more categories to choose from in the gender options.
Be careful with the quotes - I think you mis-quoted this one to Dragoncar when it was from Samburger. Confused me for a second since I didn't remember Dragoncar posting it above.
Sorry. I just removed all names. The html is messy on the reply mode. Perhaps I have my settlngs wrong?
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I'm a lady with a wife, so pretty much the whole of the internet assumes I'm a dude.
Well now I see my own bias. I pretty much assumed most people on financial forums are usually political conservatives who don't live in my part of the country (SF bay area). If this was a bay area forum, there probably would have been even more categories to choose from in the gender options.
I'm going to generalize with great abandon (which means caution: I'm talking outta my ass). I'd say this forum leans left mostly with another reasonable dose of libertarian types.
I'd assume "I have a wife" means "I'm a dude" ... but that bias is mainly numbers based. It doesn't mean it bothers me... I could care less.
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I highly doubt this forum is >50% women as the poll suggests. I would guess more like 20-30%.
Huh?
So is your hypothesis that most people voting are lying (and why would they do that?), or that they don't know their gender, or that the men are too stupid to find the correct button? Or do you just have trouble reading bar graphs?
The proof is at the top of the thread. I wouldn't have guessed it was the case, but it seems to be so. And most other personal finance blog readers (from sites such as GRS and TSD) are women, so it makes sense that this is the case here as well, I just never thought too hard about it.
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So is your hypothesis that most people voting are lying (and why would they do that?), or that they don't know their gender, or that the men are too stupid to find the correct button? Or do you just have trouble reading bar graphs?
I like the choice that most people are unsure about their gender. Now that 's something to ponder.
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I read that as "Not applicable". And wondered is that a box for transgendered, or does it mean "it doesn't matter which gender I am".
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I'm a lady with a wife, so pretty much the whole of the internet assumes I'm a dude.
Well now I see my own bias. I pretty much assumed most people on financial forums are usually political conservatives who don't live in my part of the country (SF bay area). If this was a bay area forum, there probably would have been even more categories to choose from in the gender options.
Be careful with the quotes - I think you mis-quoted this one to Dragoncar when it was from Samburger. Confused me for a second since I didn't remember Dragoncar posting it above.
Sorry. I just removed all names. The html is messy on the reply mode. Perhaps I have my settlngs wrong?
I get confused sometimes on what to delete when quoting someone. Sometimes I royally screw it up.
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"Lol I totally missed that. Just proves anyone can (accidentally) misquote on the internet."
-Ghandi
You did it again. LOL. But it took me a second to even notice. Nice work.
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wow, I am really glad I asked this question!! I am surprised at the results so far and the discussion has been great. I added a N/A (not applicable) for the people who didn't want to own up to either gender or didn't identify with either, it could also be taken any way someone wanted :-) This forum is awesome and I am happy to see so many women here, I had a feeling there were more than I thought since I keep getting surprised in threads when the OP clarifies their gender as female. We will see where the poll ends up but for just a day I see lots of votes so it may be a snapshot of the forum as I hoped it could be. You guys/gals rock!
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Shit. You guys. If the numbers do turn out to be a majority women this place is going to go down the tubes. People will start saying, "Oh, MMM, isn't that some girl thing," and decide that it's stupid....
Yikes, dude! Who thinks like that?
The terminator. Although I think he used the word "girly" (before his fall from grace).
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Wasn't quite sure how I wanted to vote, decided female was the best answer for the poll (rather than "N/A :P").
I'm a transwoman at that awkward stage where I still have to deal with the 'stache on my face a bit while I try to grow a financial 'stache.
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Wasn't quite sure how I wanted to vote, decided female was the best answer for the poll (rather than "N/A :P").
I'm a transwoman at that awkward stage where I still have to deal with the 'stache on my face a bit while I try to grow a financial 'stache.
There's a metaphor here somewhere.
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Male here.
This is a really interesting poll! Most places I hang around on the internet, the ratio is more like 80-99% guys. It's refreshing :)
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I highly doubt this forum is >50% women as the poll suggests. I would guess more like 20-30%.
Huh?
So is your hypothesis that most people voting are lying (and why would they do that?), or that they don't know their gender, or that the men are too stupid to find the correct button? Or do you just have trouble reading bar graphs?
Those are your words, not mine. Stated in hyperbole to try and make the opinion opposite of your seem ridiculous, might I add. Debating 101.
Poll confirms females more likely to answer polls
My hypothesis is that women (in a large number of environments) more actively jump at questions asking for gender identification because they feel that they have something to prove while participating in traditionally "male" activites.
I am positing that men, more than women, don't care about responding to such trivial tallies and wouldn't bother voting.
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My hypothesis is that women (in a large number of environments) more actively jump at questions asking for gender identification because they feel that they have something to prove while participating in traditionally "male" activites.
I am positing that men, more than women, don't care about responding to such trivial tallies and wouldn't bother voting.
Can we please debate this nicely, rather than resorting to sexist remarks? Or, at least follow the old adage "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all!" No need to post if you find it a trival tally.
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Yeah, I mean we women love trivial stuff. We have to fill the time between changing our tampons somehow!!
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My hypothesis is that women (in a large number of environments) more actively jump at questions asking for gender identification because they feel that they have something to prove while participating in traditionally "male" activites.
I am positing that men, more than women, don't care about responding to such trivial tallies and wouldn't bother voting.
ooh I can make up reasons too! men should be more likely to vote because they feel the need to mark their territory... the is finance after all, men's work if there ever was. Obviously there are even more females than this poll suggests!
As another poster pointed out, this poll is a significant %age of the forum's users. I don't see any reason not to trust it. Although if you had a reason backed by something more than personal bias I'd be glad to hear it.
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I highly doubt this forum is >50% women as the poll suggests. I would guess more like 20-30%.
Huh?
So is your hypothesis that most people voting are lying (and why would they do that?), or that they don't know their gender, or that the men are too stupid to find the correct button? Or do you just have trouble reading bar graphs?
Those are your words, not mine. Stated in hyperbole to try and make the opinion opposite of your seem ridiculous, might I add. Debating 101.
Poll confirms females more likely to answer polls
My hypothesis is that women (in a large number of environments) more actively jump at questions asking for gender identification because they feel that they have something to prove while participating in traditionally "male" activites.
I am positing that men, more than women, don't care about responding to such trivial tallies and wouldn't bother voting.
Assuming your hypothesis is even remotely accurate and not just some poorly conceived assumption, how is being on a forum a traditionally male activity?
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This thread is blowing my mind right now...I don't know why, but most of the people posting, I thought you were guys!
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I think Peter's original comment came when there were fewer respondents. So Peter, the real question is now that we have a significant population of the current users voting, have you rejected your hypothesis?
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My hypothesis is that of the 264 people that voted at the time of this post, 139 said they were female, and 120 said they were male. 5 marked N/A. I think my hypothesis is most likely correct.
SCIENCE!!! :P
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This is a really interesting poll! Most places I hang around on the internet, the ratio is more like 80-99% guys. It's refreshing :)
The men are men, the women are men, and the kids are cops!
Male as well.
I see the male count has jumped quite a bit during the evening.. Y'know while we're waiting for you ladies to cook dinn- *ducks*
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LOL, I thought of that too, dragoncar, that women are simply more talkative and thus more likely to respond.
I chose my username so I wouldn't keep having to repeat my point of view (female, mom, lotsa kids). Hmmm, maybe it's time for an avatar, like HappierAtHome
I remember pictures better than usernames. Just sayin'. If you want an improved chance of me remembering which lovely commentor you are - get a photo up there! :)
This hadn't occurred to me before- but it does make sense. Picture added!
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www.alexa.com also shows mrmoneymustache.com as having a 50/50 split of men and women. I have no idea how accurate those Alexa demographics are, but this poll is now corrorborating the same statistic. I'm a bit surprised too -- maybe because any website with "Mr." and "Mustache" in the name is automatically assumed to be a male-dominated site.
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I read that as "Not applicable". And wondered is that a box for transgendered, or does it mean "it doesn't matter which gender I am".
I took it to mean transgendered or don't want to be your gender. Which is why I picked it.
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www.alexa.com also shows mrmoneymustache.com as having a 50/50 split of men and women. I have no idea how accurate those Alexa demographics are, but this poll is now corrorborating the same statistic. I'm a bit surprised too -- maybe because any website with "Mr." and "Mustache" in the name is automatically assumed to be a male-dominated site.
What does alexa base their information on? I for one, always register as a male online (even tho' I'm female) to avoid possible harassment. Also, I have a blog in an industry that is 90% women, yet my blog stats show many more men visitors. No one will ever convince a majority of my readers are men. I'm thinking all my blog readers have also registered as men (but are really women).
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I'd be very curious to see the poll weighted by number of posts a person has made. I wonder if that might show more of the male bias many people were expecting to see in this poll? I'm not saying the current poll isn't useful or awesome, just curious where the bias that many people (myself included) had may have come from.
Seeing as most if not all of the moderators are male and they legitimately post more than most other users, would that bias our impressions of the gender split?
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I'd be very curious to see the poll weighted by number of posts a person has made. I wonder if that might show more of the male bias many people were expecting to see in this poll? I'm not saying the current poll isn't useful or awesome, just curious where the bias that many people (myself included) had may have come from.
Seeing as most if not all of the moderators are male and they legitimately post more than most other users, would that bias our impressions of the gender split?
Excellent point. That could be exactly what is going on.
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I just assumed it was my own ingrained bias. I default to assuming male unless there are specific clues in the picture, name or post to indicate otherwise. As many other's have mentioned I've been surprised before, however, I haven't necessarily gone back and reread every thread to see how many responses I had the impression were from men were actually from women, so my overall bias that what I read was posted by men hasn't been specifically challenged.
It's a personal bias that is a little disconcerting, and that I'm trying to work on.
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Wasn't quite sure how I wanted to vote, decided female was the best answer for the poll (rather than "N/A :P").
I'm a transwoman at that awkward stage where I still have to deal with the 'stache on my face a bit while I try to grow a financial 'stache.
There's a metaphor here somewhere.
Better living through transitivity? I don't know. Bonus points if anyone can work the fragment "assity" in to this.
I just assumed it was my own ingrained bias. I default to assuming male unless there are specific clues in the picture, name or post to indicate otherwise. As many other's have mentioned I've been surprised before, however, I haven't necessarily gone back and reread every thread to see how many responses I had the impression were from men were actually from women, so my overall bias that what I read was posted by men hasn't been specifically challenged.
It's a personal bias that is a little disconcerting, and that I'm trying to work on.
In regards to assuming male by default, even I catch myself doing that from time to time despite my transgendered status. There is still that undercurrent of misogyny (and other irrationalities) from society, even if our conscious selves know better, that our lizard brains still pick up on.
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I am not a fugly dude with big ears. But I find that picture amusing because it contrasts with the substance of what I write.
The internet is the one place in my life where I genuinely don't care what gender someone is. Humans are divided into genders for the purpose of facilitating each individual's procreative efforts, and we've created cultural roles around that otherwise arbitrary division. I'm not going to procreate with strangers on the internet, so gender seems irrelevant. Strike that, it seems ridiculous.
Ideas should stand on their merit, not the perceived cultural status of the originator. How about we all put our age/race/sex in our sig files so that no one has to actually read our posts, and can instead prejudge the merits of their content based on our own prejudices? Or even better, how about we all put our current net worth in there, so we can have a nice numeric scale for evaluating your value as a human being, because we all know that dollars are the only way to measure value?
Please don't tell me your gender, or age, or political affiliation, of feelings about petunias. The free exchange of ideas that the internet is supposed to enable thrives on the relative anonymity of participants in discussions like these.
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Sol: We can all see your age.
UNLESS ITS A LIE.
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I am not a fugly dude with big ears. But I find that picture amusing because it contrasts with the substance of what I write.
The internet is the one place in my life where I genuinely don't care what gender someone is. Humans are divided into genders for the purpose of facilitating each individual's procreative efforts, and we've created cultural roles around that otherwise arbitrary division. I'm not going to procreate with strangers on the internet, so gender seems irrelevant. Strike that, it seems ridiculous.
Ideas should stand on their merit, not the perceived cultural status of the originator. How about we all put our age/race/sex in our sig files so that no one has to actually read our posts, and can instead prejudge the merits of their content based on our own prejudices? Or even better, how about we all put our current net worth in there, so we can have a nice numeric scale for evaluating your value as a human being, because we all know that dollars are the only way to measure value?
Please don't tell me your gender, or age, or political affiliation, of feelings about petunias. The free exchange of ideas that the internet is supposed to enable thrives on the relative anonymity of participants in discussions like these.
This sounds like something a guy would say (sorry, couldn't resist) :)
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A part of why I made this poll is because of this blog post http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/09/17/a-one-question-survey-who-are-the-mustachians/
It showed that a lot of people were in engineering/science/software/computer jobs that are preconcieved as primarely male dominated industries. (I work in an engineering field and there are 4 women in my department of 42 engineers.. thats only 9.5%)
In going through the forum in the last couple months (I haven't been here long), I was frequently surprised to find more woman than the above would indicate. I think its pretty cool that the poll is showing the forum is closer to world population ratios.
As for the posting count, I wouldn't be surprised if more and more woman are joining up compared to in the beginning (though I could be wrong). I frequenently hang out in the journals section and there are a ton of woman there!
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Please don't tell me your gender, or age, or political affiliation, of feelings about petunias. The free exchange of ideas that the internet is supposed to enable thrives on the relative anonymity of participants in discussions like these.
So we can exchange all ideas, except for petunia affiliation (I'm against)? FWIW, I don't think I judge ideological merit based on gender, which is why it is so odd that I always want to assign a default gender. I even assign gender to numbers and letters in my head, maybe I should have been born into a society where the language also assumes gender for inanimate objects.
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I'm a lady with a wife, so pretty much the whole of the internet assumes I'm a dude.
Well now I see my own bias. I pretty much assumed most people on financial forums are usually political conservatives who don't live in my part of the country (SF bay area). If this was a bay area forum, there probably would have been even more categories to choose from in the gender options.
On this forum at least social conservatives are pretty heavily outnumbered by liberals, while fiscal conservatives dominate.
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/mustachian-voting/
I live and work in a fairly politically red area, and the notion that liberals are all tax-and-spend types that cannot balance a checkbook runs pretty deep here. In my experience however that hasn't been the truth of it. Neither side has a monopoly on fiscal irresponsibility, and when faced with a balanced budget amendment (as we have on the state level in Virginia) both sides color between the lines fairly well. The last one who did not, James Gilmore (R), wrecked the budget by cutting taxes just before a long-overdue recession arrived. It took a Democrat - Mark Warner - to clean up his sizable mess. Republicans did not gain the Governor's mansion again until "Bob's for Jobs" McDonnell won in 2009, and, um, he's been in the news for all the wrong reasons lately....
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A part of why I made this poll is because of this blog post http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/09/17/a-one-question-survey-who-are-the-mustachians/
It showed that a lot of people were in engineering/science/software/computer jobs that are preconcieved as primarely male dominated industries. (I work in an engineering field and there are 4 women in my department of 42 engineers.. thats only 9.5%)
*snip*
I am another woman in a male-dominated role. I think we are somewhere near 10% women now in my role, but it it growing.
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A part of why I made this poll is because of this blog post http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/09/17/a-one-question-survey-who-are-the-mustachians/
It showed that a lot of people were in engineering/science/software/computer jobs that are preconcieved as primarely male dominated industries. (I work in an engineering field and there are 4 women in my department of 42 engineers.. thats only 9.5%)
*snip*
I am another woman in a male-dominated role. I think we are somewhere near 10% women now in my role, but it it growing.
I have a PhD in electrical engineering. 'nuff said.
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A part of why I made this poll is because of this blog post http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/09/17/a-one-question-survey-who-are-the-mustachians/
It showed that a lot of people were in engineering/science/software/computer jobs that are preconcieved as primarely male dominated industries. (I work in an engineering field and there are 4 women in my department of 42 engineers.. thats only 9.5%)
*snip*
I am another woman in a male-dominated role. I think we are somewhere near 10% women now in my role, but it it growing.
I have a PhD in electrical engineering. 'nuff said.
I'm beginning to wonder if all the female engineers are here. :-)
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A part of why I made this poll is because of this blog post http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/09/17/a-one-question-survey-who-are-the-mustachians/
It showed that a lot of people were in engineering/science/software/computer jobs that are preconcieved as primarely male dominated industries. (I work in an engineering field and there are 4 women in my department of 42 engineers.. thats only 9.5%)
*snip*
I am another woman in a male-dominated role. I think we are somewhere near 10% women now in my role, but it it growing.
I have a PhD in electrical engineering. 'nuff said.
I'm beginning to wonder if all the female engineers are here. :-)
Sure seems like it! Sweet deal! :-D
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I'm beginning to wonder if all the female engineers are here. :-)
Sure seems like it! Sweet deal! :-D
I'm a geologist. In my province, I actually belong to the same professional association as the engineers though.
Female geologists are common enough throughout the province, but in my particular role (field work on the rigs) we are at somewhere between 10-20% (I actually discussed this with my co-worker last night, and he thought I was actually underestimating our numbers).
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I must be the only one not overly surprised by this.
In my experience, the 20s and 30s demographic fairly overwhelmingly has women taking a lot more responsibility for their lives than men. I don't know what the age/gender breakdown looks like, but my uneducated opinion would be this is part of the cause.
You don't just accidentally end up living a MMM type lifestyle or having those goals. Given the men/women I know in their 20s and 30s I would say women are more likely to "get behind" this sort of lifestyle.
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Male..
The name simply comes from me loving to watch all 4 of my kids play soccer. When we got married my wife and i said since we were both in sports (Myself a pro-am basketball player and Wife D-1 Volleyball) that we would introduce them to all sports and not push them into what we played BUT NO MATTER WHAT WE WILL NOT BE SOCCER PARENTS....long and short of it Never say Never! heard that before. I can say we appreciate it alot more than if they would of played what we did because 1) we learned the sport with them and 2) don't have expectations that alot of parents due that push there kids into what they want to live their lives through.
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"I don't get why you are casting this in terms of a gender battle, but ya, I'm with beards over babies too!"
(http://www.qwantz.com/comics/comic2-883.png)
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I'm female. But not an engineer. We do exist!
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I'm female. But not an engineer. But I come from a long line of engineers. Still Happy :)
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Male type dude here.
Like Sol, I'm not really interested in your gender for good discussions.
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sheepstache: Senior Mustachian
"Shit. You guys. If the numbers do turn out to be a majority women this place is going to go down the tubes. People will start saying, "Oh, MMM, isn't that some girl thing," and decide that it's stupid. We need to get some more male votes in if only for appearance's sake."
Disturbing, on so many levels. I hope this guy does not have a mother, sister, or any daughters. The level of respect for girls and women is terrible.
Thanks to all the level headed men and women on this blog who are not ignorant! The best teams are made up of people with different strengths (Basketball: fast point guard, large center). Diversity is what makes this forum so interesting. If we were all the same, conversation would be really boring.
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I took sheepstache's comment to be supa-dupa sarcastic.
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I hope you are right, and I am wrong.
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I took sheepstache's comment to be supa-dupa sarcastic.
I did too but the feedback for sheepstache that the comment came off way wrong to some people is still helpful.
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I took sheepstache's comment to be supa-dupa sarcastic.
It was.
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Yeah, about that assumption that everyone on the internet is male...
Sarcastic might not be the right word, perhaps hyperbole because I don't imagine it would really happen here. But I wasn't kidding, because my observation is that it's a real thing. I was kidding about the suggestion that we fudge the numbers to prevent it. Hope that clears things up.
*Ah, perhaps the confusion: I wasn't saying it would go down the tubes because of a majority of women. I was saying that the ensuing _perception_ that it was "a girl thing" would lead to its being de-valued, leading to a lower quality of contributions.
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I'm guessing you mean that in an "exists to serve only one gender"? As in "a guy thing" would be equally negative?
I don't know any guys who use Pinterest, for example. I'm sure they are out there, but my assumption is "female website".
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I was saying that the ensuing _perception_ that it was "a girl thing" would lead to its being de-valued, leading to a lower quality of contributions.
I would hope a perception like that wouldn't be a negative thing.
If true, goes to show you some sad things about people.
The pinterest example is a good one. It's mostly girls, but I don't think less of the website because of it - it has neat ideas, posts, etc. I know someone who got a tattoo based on a picture they found on Pintrest. I know people who make recipies, and decorations, and such, based on stuff they've found there. I think it's an awesome DIY site with great arts and crafts projects.
The fact that the majority of the user base is women doesn't even cross my mind or matter to me in the slightest.
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Did anyone do an age survey? Or did I miss that post? I'm wondering if the high number of women is a generational thing.
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Single female Systems Engineer.
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I'm guessing you mean that in an "exists to serve only one gender"? As in "a guy thing" would be equally negative?
I don't know any guys who use Pinterest, for example. I'm sure they are out there, but my assumption is "female website".
No, I think calling something a "guy thing" isn't considered as negative. Possibly it might be used for something seen as male to the point of being exclusionary, but even then that might be viewed positively, that it is in a sense elite. But it's much less common for women to dismiss something for being a "guy thing" as it is for people of both genders to dismiss something as a "girl thing" and "girl thing" almost always means less valuable, less rigorous, more easily achievable.
Of course, there's a lot of nuance and counter examples so it's hard to make a broad statement without spending five paragraphs qualifying it so it's unassailably accurate. Hopefully that gets the idea across.
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I am female. Not an engineer. ;-) I'm actually in a female-dominated profession at the moment, until I finish my MBA and can find a job that I will enjoy more and better suits my skillset.
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Female. I'd assume that was obvious from my writing style, but who knows...
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I think I closed the voting so the poll can be a snapshot of the forum at this time. Mods if I didn't, can you please do it or tell me how? Thanks!
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I think I closed the voting so the poll can be a snapshot of the forum at this time. Mods if I didn't, can you please do it or tell me how? Thanks!
Okay. Voting is locked.
If anyone is interested in a year or two, they can do a new poll then and link back to this one to see if anything has changed.
Thanks for the interesting thread.
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Okay. Voting is locked.
If anyone is interested in a year or two, they can do a new poll then and link back to this one to see if anything has changed.
Thanks for the interesting thread.
Good idea! It would be interesting to compare in a year or two! Glad I thought of it, definitely changed my assumptions about who is posting :-)
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There's nothing wrong with Pinterest being 90% female, but I definitely lost interest in the app after about a week. I'm sure it has as much to do with me not being the artistic type as being a guy. My girlfriend finds the best recipes on there though, so I'm happy it exists.
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They say no man is an island, but every man has a peninsula.
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They say no man is an island, but every man has a peninsula.
hahahahahaha, thanks for this