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Weakness is taking over
« on: April 12, 2018, 03:49:40 PM »
I love what I do, have the job I’ve always wanted, get paid very well, and it’s draining me. I used to work out all the time, barely get to the gym. Used to cook all the time, now I order out constantly because I can’t be bothered. When I come home, all I want to do is veg and let my mind take a break. I spend my day solving a billion problems coming left and right and don’t want to do anything when I’m home. I keep lying to myself that I will do all the things I’m supposed to do myself, but I only seem to stick with it for a day. So now, I feel like I’m going to do the weak, entitled things to get back on track:
—hire a personal trainer ($100/week)
—get one of those healthy food delivery services to drop off meals ($100/week)

I’m thinking of doing this for 3 months, lose the 40lbs I’ve put on and reset my body. I hope it works, just have no idea how/why I’ve lost my once strong willpower.

Because shame isn’t enough, let the facepunching begin!

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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2018, 04:11:56 PM »
I'd say, if you can afford to do that, go for it!  Giving yourself 3 expensive months to get back on track (while doing some soul searching to try and find out what is really going on) seems like a better plan than continuing to get down on yourself and feel worse emotionally and physically.  Healthy eating and better physical fitness tend to re-energize the body, so seeing some success with this plan could very well launch you back into a better state, get you excited about working out again, and rediscover the joy of cooking for yourself.

But definitely do the soul searching, too.  Yoga, meditation, some counseling or reading, long talks with a friend or partner.  See if you can find the trigger to all this, and then work on that going forward.  Best of luck.

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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2018, 04:28:01 PM »
I’m thinking of doing this for 3 months, lose the 40lbs I’ve put on and reset my body. I hope it works, just have no idea how/why I’ve lost my once strong willpower.

Because shame isn’t enough, let the facepunching begin!

If you think you will actually lose 40 lbs in 3 months go for it! Keep in mind you are going to be spending $2,400 to do it and there are probably better options as far as money goes... (join groups or classes)

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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2018, 04:30:04 PM »
Consider if it takes $800+/mo to lose the weight, ow much does it take to maintain it. My best success with weight loss (went from obese to normal weight and have been there for 10 years) meant making gradual changes in my lifestyle. The full-on approach may work for you, but if you don't have a plan to maintain, likelihood of regaining seems high.

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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2018, 04:58:49 PM »
  I think it's better to think about what led you to this point ... and work on correcting it.

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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2018, 05:04:37 PM »
Read Jocko Willink's book every time you're not feeling it.

linky   https://www.amazon.com/Discipline-Equals-Freedom-Field-Manual/dp/1250156947

No seriously, it's good.

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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2018, 06:53:03 PM »
you could always just take whatever your eating now, reduce it by 25%, and save a lot of money.

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Re: Weakness is taking over
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2018, 07:03:11 PM »
you could always just take whatever your eating now, reduce it by 25%, and save a lot of money.

Yeah... That's not how nutrition works.

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Re: Weakness is taking over
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2018, 07:03:31 PM »
I can attest that if you are not getting to the gym, and NEED to get to the gym, then a personal trainer/group class is the way to go. There are times that we just lack motivation (that no amount of stoicism/positive self talk/guilt is going to overcome) and for those times it is best to realize you have a temporary weakness and need that little extra to get you over the hump. Nothing wrong with hiring a trainer.

Personally, rather than work 1:1 with a trainer I would go with a group workout, like CrossFit or something similar. Working out with others is extremely motivating. But using a personal trainer works too. I have done both.

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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2018, 08:50:23 PM »
Personally, rather than work 1:1 with a trainer I would go with a group workout, like CrossFit or something similar. Working out with others is extremely motivating. But using a personal trainer works too. I have done both.

I'm the same.  I'm terrible about going to the gym but for the last 1.5 years I've been doing a pilates class for 50 euros a month and walking to/from work (around 40 minutes of walking) - you could also do cycling if work is a bit further away from home.  The classes are great for motivating me as if I'm not there, my friends in the class wonder where I am.  I also enjoy the social aspects of the class.  The walking is great for meditative time and unplugging my brain.  I also have a very intense and stressful job and two kids at home.  The walk to and from work is time to think, be in my own brain and sometimes listen to podcasts with no one interrupting me.

In other words, you could do this for a lot less money.  Join a finess class, starting walking or cycling to work.  And for your food, just keep it simple.  I've started keeping bagged salad in the fridge so my lunches are usually just thrown together bagged salad plus whatever else is in the fridge - pretty healthy stuff.  Yesterday it was a small can of tuna, a boiled egg, some canned chick peas and feta cheese on the salad greens. Crackers and yoghurt on the side.  You could easily eat meals like this for a small fraction of the cost of a meal service.  And it's more sustainable too so it could become a long term habit.

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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2018, 09:51:55 PM »
Hey go for it!  You could always change your mind along the way if you feel your motivation is back.  Being overweight is not fun.  Im glad you have that high income to afford this jumpstart into a healthier you.  You got this!

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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2018, 09:53:46 PM »
This book has helped me lose and more importantly keep the weight off -

https://www.amazon.com/Fat-Loss-Happens-Monday-Habit-Based-ebook/dp/B00PKPTRWM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1523591495&sr=8-1&keywords=fats+happens+on+a+monday

On the workouts - Can you find something you enjoy?  Something you would be excited to train for? 

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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2018, 11:02:37 PM »
MEGA FACEPUNCH. Dude. What on earth are you thinking? Here's a better plan:

1. Get rid of television entirely if you haven't already. That would definitely include cable, but also any sort of streaming services. Just get it out of your life. It's a huge time and energy suck. Do the same with any other time and energy sucks that are getting in the way of living life the way you want to.
2. Weekend meal prep. Make everything you're going to eat for the week, and portion it out on the weekend so the right choice is the easiest one. I do this for two people every weekend, so you should be able to do it for one for half the effort.
3. Figure out some sort of exercise you enjoy and look forward to, so it won't feel like a chore or something you really need to put a lot of mental energy into.

Hell, you may even come out saving money rather than spending more.

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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2018, 11:15:27 PM »
^^Heh heh, so much this.^^

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Re: Weakness is taking over
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2018, 12:59:20 AM »
MEGA FACEPUNCH. Dude. What on earth are you thinking? Here's a better plan:

1. Get rid of television entirely if you haven't already. That would definitely include cable, but also any sort of streaming services. Just get it out of your life. It's a huge time and energy suck. Do the same with any other time and energy sucks that are getting in the way of living life the way you want to.
2. Weekend meal prep. Make everything you're going to eat for the week, and portion it out on the weekend so the right choice is the easiest one. I do this for two people every weekend, so you should be able to do it for one for half the effort.
3. Figure out some sort of exercise you enjoy and look forward to, so it won't feel like a chore or something you really need to put a lot of mental energy into.

Hell, you may even come out saving money rather than spending more.

You’re right, of course. I know this! I’ve been having this same conversation except I don’t follow up with the actions. Part of me thinks spending the money is my punishment for being so lazy and it will make me accountable. I’m honestly not sure what is going on with me that I can’t seem to stick to anything but I know when I’ve lost weight and was motivated before, I was working with someone that checked in with me about everything. I just can’t stay this weight any longer but I’m not being strong enough to do it on my own.

Pathetic, I know!

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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2018, 01:49:00 AM »

In other words, you could do this for a lot less money. 

This. Why do you think spending $800 a month on food delivery and a trainer will get you back on track?

Food delivery still requires you to cook the food they provide. Why not go to the grocery store once/week and do meal planning? Or just order the food they'd deliver to you. If you know someone with the food delivery service, ask what they got in it the last week and just buy the exact same things, delivered or picked up in the store.

A personal trainer will also still require you to go to the gym. Why do you feel like paying more for it will make you more motivated to go? Why not sign up for a group class/sports club where the group's trainer will also know you personally and also get you accountable for showing up. I get that it's hard to just drag yourself to the gym, lift weights on your own and go home, but there's many ways in between that and hiring a personal trainer.

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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2018, 03:40:28 AM »
MEGA FACEPUNCH. Dude. What on earth are you thinking? Here's a better plan:

1. Get rid of television entirely if you haven't already. That would definitely include cable, but also any sort of streaming services. Just get it out of your life. It's a huge time and energy suck. Do the same with any other time and energy sucks that are getting in the way of living life the way you want to.
2. Weekend meal prep. Make everything you're going to eat for the week, and portion it out on the weekend so the right choice is the easiest one. I do this for two people every weekend, so you should be able to do it for one for half the effort.
3. Figure out some sort of exercise you enjoy and look forward to, so it won't feel like a chore or something you really need to put a lot of mental energy into.

Hell, you may even come out saving money rather than spending more.

You’re right, of course. I know this! I’ve been having this same conversation except I don’t follow up with the actions. Part of me thinks spending the money is my punishment for being so lazy and it will make me accountable. I’m honestly not sure what is going on with me that I can’t seem to stick to anything but I know when I’ve lost weight and was motivated before, I was working with someone that checked in with me about everything. I just can’t stay this weight any longer but I’m not being strong enough to do it on my own.

Pathetic, I know!

Sounds like your job is a big part of the problem. You say you love what you do but it’s also draining you? A love should be at least slightly fulfilling rather than draining.

Start to reduce your role at work and prioritize your health. You don’t need a personal trainer or food delivery service, you need to work towards creating a long term system that makes it easier to be healthy. Unless your plan is to have a personal trainer and food service forever. Temporary solutions are temporary. This isn’t a problem you need to throw money at.

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Re: Weakness is taking over
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2018, 04:24:24 AM »
you could always just take whatever your eating now, reduce it by 25%, and save a lot of money.

Yeah... That's not how nutrition works.

Their goal is to lose weight. Calorie deficit = weight loss. Where the calories come from matter in many other ways (energy, general health, muscle mass, etc) but if your goal is just losing weight, it’s calories.

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« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2018, 05:56:35 AM »
The food delivery service has a weight loss plan, everything is measured and calorie controlled.  Even if I meal plan, I haven’t been able to keep it healthy consistently.

The trainer is so I can stay accountable, which classes won’t give me. I’ll go to classes, walk and play more sport still, but I’ll be reporting that to the trainer, in addition to the program he puts together. Again, it’s for consistency.

What I’m seeing is I can motivate myself for a couple days, get caught up in something at work, then get off track or emotionally eat to deal with the stress. Once I make a break, it’s hard to get back. Hoping that having a trainer will counter that.

Yes, work is stressful and my role is big. I’m responsible for quite a bit and a lot of people.  I’m really good at what I do but it takes a lot out.  The greatest appeal of MMM is that in 4-5 years I can FIRE after not knowing much about this and not being great at finances before. So, put in the time and then get out. But right now, it’s affecting my body and I know that the older I get, the harder to maintain.

Thanks everyone for the advice.

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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2018, 06:14:24 AM »
Are you getting enough sleep? It is much easier to be motivated for exercise/healthy eating when you are not exhausted all the time. An hour of extra sleep is sometimes more beneficial than an hour of exercise.

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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2018, 06:19:17 AM »
I love what I do, have the job I’ve always wanted, get paid very well, and it’s draining me. I used to work out all the time, barely get to the gym. Used to cook all the time, now I order out constantly because I can’t be bothered. When I come home, all I want to do is veg and let my mind take a break. I spend my day solving a billion problems coming left and right and don’t want to do anything when I’m home. I keep lying to myself that I will do all the things I’m supposed to do myself, but I only seem to stick with it for a day. So now, I feel like I’m going to do the weak, entitled things to get back on track:
—hire a personal trainer ($100/week)
—get one of those healthy food delivery services to drop off meals ($100/week)

I’m thinking of doing this for 3 months, lose the 40lbs I’ve put on and reset my body. I hope it works, just have no idea how/why I’ve lost my once strong willpower.

Because shame isn’t enough, let the facepunching begin!

Ok, I'll bite.  I think you should keep one of the two.  Which is more important?

Those meal services I think are a ripoff.  Get an instant pot, make a huge pile of chili on Sunday then BOOM -- way less work than even a meal service.  Or "Taco Tuesday," which at our house is basically rice, beans, avacado, tomato, cheese in separate bowls. If you can't do that you won't be able to do those meal prep services either.

Or buy a bunch of cans of tuna fish, or tons of eggs.  You don't need luxury cooking right now.  Just learn to make a bunch of staples in large quantities and rinse and repeat.  Less effort than posting here!!

I agree with a PP that recommended group classes instead of a trainer,. 

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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2018, 06:30:27 AM »
Annoying work, stress, and lack of exercise all can be solved in one fell swoop.  Are you at work right now?  Stand up and walk out the door.  Keep walking.  Once the guilt is overpowering walk back.  Did the building collapse in your absence?  If not, tomorrow try to walk a little farther. 

Do you get a lunch break?  Eat your lunch while you walk.  Eat only what you can carry with you.  Be brisk and be consistent.  You do not need to give up your precious money or your precious free time, you are already giving enough to your job.

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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2018, 07:06:38 AM »
I love what I do, have the job I’ve always wanted, get paid very well, and it’s draining me. I used to work out all the time, barely get to the gym. Used to cook all the time, now I order out constantly because I can’t be bothered. When I come home, all I want to do is veg and let my mind take a break. I spend my day solving a billion problems coming left and right and don’t want to do anything when I’m home. I keep lying to myself that I will do all the things I’m supposed to do myself, but I only seem to stick with it for a day. So now, I feel like I’m going to do the weak, entitled things to get back on track:
—hire a personal trainer ($100/week)
—get one of those healthy food delivery services to drop off meals ($100/week)

I’m thinking of doing this for 3 months, lose the 40lbs I’ve put on and reset my body. I hope it works, just have no idea how/why I’ve lost my once strong willpower.

Because shame isn’t enough, let the facepunching begin!

 I'm having a bit of weakness myself, but I'm going to recommend it to you. I go to "Golden Coral" during the Lunch period, you can get take out, for $4.99 a lb. You can make a salad big enough for two days eating for less than $5. Yesterday I spent $4.10.
 I came home split it into two tupperware bowls and added some Garbonzo beans. The beans are dense, cheaper to split a can among 4 salads. Just my way to eat better, cheaply.
  I also like the price at Planet Fitness. About $13 a month.

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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2018, 07:07:00 AM »
Annoying work, stress, and lack of exercise all can be solved in one fell swoop.  Are you at work right now?  Stand up and walk out the door.  Keep walking.  Once the guilt is overpowering walk back.  Did the building collapse in your absence?  If not, tomorrow try to walk a little farther. 

Do you get a lunch break?  Eat your lunch while you walk.  Eat only what you can carry with you.  Be brisk and be consistent.  You do not need to give up your precious money or your precious free time, you are already giving enough to your job.

I know what you’re saying but you come back to a ton of emails you have to wade through and problems you have to solve.

I rarely take a long lunch break, which is why I find myself pooping out to get the meals I most enjoy so lunch has some element of joy to it.

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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2018, 07:08:59 AM »
I can attest that if you are not getting to the gym, and NEED to get to the gym, then a personal trainer/group class is the way to go. There are times that we just lack motivation (that no amount of stoicism/positive self talk/guilt is going to overcome) and for those times it is best to realize you have a temporary weakness and need that little extra to get you over the hump. Nothing wrong with hiring a trainer.

Personally, rather than work 1:1 with a trainer I would go with a group workout, like CrossFit or something similar. Working out with others is extremely motivating. But using a personal trainer works too. I have done both.

At this point I’m a bit embarrassed by the weight gain and not being in the shape to keep up with people in classes, so the PT let’s me work on myself without the added pressure.

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« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2018, 07:11:22 AM »
Annoying work, stress, and lack of exercise all can be solved in one fell swoop.  Are you at work right now?  Stand up and walk out the door.  Keep walking.  Once the guilt is overpowering walk back.  Did the building collapse in your absence?  If not, tomorrow try to walk a little farther. 

Do you get a lunch break?  Eat your lunch while you walk.  Eat only what you can carry with you.  Be brisk and be consistent.  You do not need to give up your precious money or your precious free time, you are already giving enough to your job.

I know what you’re saying but you come back to a ton of emails you have to wade through and problems you have to solve.

I rarely take a long lunch break, which is why I find myself pooping out to get the meals I most enjoy so lunch has some element of joy to it.

The emails will always be there but for the sake of your sanity and health you need to just take those lunch breaks.  As someone upthread said - take your lunch with you and go for a long walk.  Don't check your work phone - listen to music or a podcast.  Then come back to work refreshed to face all the emails.  People can wait an hour to hear back from you - it won't kill them.

Also, as I said, build fitness into your day - start cycling or walking to work if at all feasible.  Much easier to stick to that going to a gym or meeting with a trainer and cheaper too.

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« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2018, 07:16:07 AM »
I love what I do, have the job I’ve always wanted, get paid very well, and it’s draining me. I used to work out all the time, barely get to the gym. Used to cook all the time, now I order out constantly because I can’t be bothered. When I come home, all I want to do is veg and let my mind take a break. I spend my day solving a billion problems coming left and right and don’t want to do anything when I’m home. I keep lying to myself that I will do all the things I’m supposed to do myself, but I only seem to stick with it for a day. So now, I feel like I’m going to do the weak, entitled things to get back on track:
—hire a personal trainer ($100/week)
—get one of those healthy food delivery services to drop off meals ($100/week)

I’m thinking of doing this for 3 months, lose the 40lbs I’ve put on and reset my body. I hope it works, just have no idea how/why I’ve lost my once strong willpower.

Because shame isn’t enough, let the facepunching begin!

Ok, I'll bite.  I think you should keep one of the two.  Which is more important?

Those meal services I think are a ripoff.  Get an instant pot, make a huge pile of chili on Sunday then BOOM -- way less work than even a meal service.  Or "Taco Tuesday," which at our house is basically rice, beans, avacado, tomato, cheese in separate bowls. If you can't do that you won't be able to do those meal prep services either.

Or buy a bunch of cans of tuna fish, or tons of eggs.  You don't need luxury cooking right now.  Just learn to make a bunch of staples in large quantities and rinse and repeat.  Less effort than posting here!!

I agree with a PP that recommended group classes instead of a trainer,.

Oddly, if I had to chose, I’d pick the meal service. 80% of your body comes from the kitchen, they say. It’s my eating that’s out of control. And the same thing every day or simole and plain bores me after a couple of days. I also work in a place that has lots of food available that is very carby and sugary, my weaknesses. But yes, this is an issue because I don’t want to be doing a meal service for 4-5 years.

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« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2018, 07:20:50 AM »
I can attest that if you are not getting to the gym, and NEED to get to the gym, then a personal trainer/group class is the way to go. There are times that we just lack motivation (that no amount of stoicism/positive self talk/guilt is going to overcome) and for those times it is best to realize you have a temporary weakness and need that little extra to get you over the hump. Nothing wrong with hiring a trainer.

Personally, rather than work 1:1 with a trainer I would go with a group workout, like CrossFit or something similar. Working out with others is extremely motivating. But using a personal trainer works too. I have done both.

At this point I’m a bit embarrassed by the weight gain and not being in the shape to keep up with people in classes, so the PT let’s me work on myself without the added pressure.

At the risk of tooting my own horn, check out the thread I started the other day

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/intermittent-fasting-experience-both-effective-and-mustaschian/

And what I have been doing

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/the-5-2-diet-guide

This is how I have gone about losing weight without a big commitment to spending more on either food or exercise/gym, but also not giving up foods that I like some days during the week. Just follow the plan and eat less and walk. I find walking very mentally relaxing and easy to do, just put on my shoes and walk for anywhere from 15 min to 2 hours. And overall it requires no money and really only one thing - willpower. And once you start it gets easier. Anyway, I know it doesn't work for everyone but in your situation you might try it. Once I lose the weight I want, which is already happening, I will start mixing perhaps more intense exercise back in.

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« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2018, 07:35:06 AM »
I love what I do, have the job I’ve always wanted, get paid very well, and it’s draining me. I used to work out all the time, barely get to the gym. Used to cook all the time, now I order out constantly because I can’t be bothered. When I come home, all I want to do is veg and let my mind take a break. I spend my day solving a billion problems coming left and right and don’t want to do anything when I’m home. I keep lying to myself that I will do all the things I’m supposed to do myself, but I only seem to stick with it for a day. So now, I feel like I’m going to do the weak, entitled things to get back on track:
—hire a personal trainer ($100/week)
—get one of those healthy food delivery services to drop off meals ($100/week)

I’m thinking of doing this for 3 months, lose the 40lbs I’ve put on and reset my body. I hope it works, just have no idea how/why I’ve lost my once strong willpower.

Because shame isn’t enough, let the facepunching begin!

The bolded, red part is your problem. It's normal. Fix the problem and the rest will start to improve.

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« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2018, 07:44:50 AM »
Annoying work, stress, and lack of exercise all can be solved in one fell swoop.  Are you at work right now?  Stand up and walk out the door.  Keep walking.  Once the guilt is overpowering walk back.  Did the building collapse in your absence?  If not, tomorrow try to walk a little farther. 

Do you get a lunch break?  Eat your lunch while you walk.  Eat only what you can carry with you.  Be brisk and be consistent.  You do not need to give up your precious money or your precious free time, you are already giving enough to your job.

I know what you’re saying but you come back to a ton of emails you have to wade through and problems you have to solve.

I rarely take a long lunch break, which is why I find myself pooping out to get the meals I most enjoy so lunch has some element of joy to it.

The emails will always be there but for the sake of your sanity and health you need to just take those lunch breaks.  As someone upthread said - take your lunch with you and go for a long walk.  Don't check your work phone - listen to music or a podcast.  Then come back to work refreshed to face all the emails.  People can wait an hour to hear back from you - it won't kill them.

Also, as I said, build fitness into your day - start cycling or walking to work if at all feasible.  Much easier to stick to that going to a gym or meeting with a trainer and cheaper too.

I walk, cycle to work and have a sport to play. But I’m also sitting for large periods and I eat a lot of comfort foods. I’m sure I’d be even bigger if I didn’t do what the minimum.

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« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2018, 07:46:40 AM »
I can attest that if you are not getting to the gym, and NEED to get to the gym, then a personal trainer/group class is the way to go. There are times that we just lack motivation (that no amount of stoicism/positive self talk/guilt is going to overcome) and for those times it is best to realize you have a temporary weakness and need that little extra to get you over the hump. Nothing wrong with hiring a trainer.

Personally, rather than work 1:1 with a trainer I would go with a group workout, like CrossFit or something similar. Working out with others is extremely motivating. But using a personal trainer works too. I have done both.

At this point I’m a bit embarrassed by the weight gain and not being in the shape to keep up with people in classes, so the PT let’s me work on myself without the added pressure.

At the risk of tooting my own horn, check out the thread I started the other day

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/intermittent-fasting-experience-both-effective-and-mustaschian/

And what I have been doing

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/the-5-2-diet-guide

This is how I have gone about losing weight without a big commitment to spending more on either food or exercise/gym, but also not giving up foods that I like some days during the week. Just follow the plan and eat less and walk. I find walking very mentally relaxing and easy to do, just put on my shoes and walk for anywhere from 15 min to 2 hours. And overall it requires no money and really only one thing - willpower. And once you start it gets easier. Anyway, I know it doesn't work for everyone but in your situation you might try it. Once I lose the weight I want, which is already happening, I will start mixing perhaps more intense exercise back in.

Did this 2 years ago and my staff begged me stop it. I was miserable and so hangry that I went from being the nice boss to the grouchy boss and that wasn’t working for anyone.

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« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2018, 07:48:32 AM »
MrThatsdifferent - OK good to hear.  How about going to a psychologist to de-link comfort from food?  I've always been thin even though I eat quite a lot including some junk.  I've noticed that my friends and family who are overweight often eat for reasons other than hunger such as stress or boredom, whereas I would never eat unless I was actually hungry as it I don't see the point.  If I want to de-stress I might have a bath, surf the net or drink a glass of wine rather than eat cookies.  Maybe de-linking those two things is more important than trying to impose some kind of diet on yourself.
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« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2018, 07:48:59 AM »
I love what I do, have the job I’ve always wanted, get paid very well, and it’s draining me. I used to work out all the time, barely get to the gym. Used to cook all the time, now I order out constantly because I can’t be bothered. When I come home, all I want to do is veg and let my mind take a break. I spend my day solving a billion problems coming left and right and don’t want to do anything when I’m home. I keep lying to myself that I will do all the things I’m supposed to do myself, but I only seem to stick with it for a day. So now, I feel like I’m going to do the weak, entitled things to get back on track:
—hire a personal trainer ($100/week)
—get one of those healthy food delivery services to drop off meals ($100/week)

I’m thinking of doing this for 3 months, lose the 40lbs I’ve put on and reset my body. I hope it works, just have no idea how/why I’ve lost my once strong willpower.

Because shame isn’t enough, let the facepunching begin!

The bolded, red part is your problem. It's normal. Fix the problem and the rest will start to improve.

Not arguing with you but it’s the job, I’m at the top of the food chain and ultimately the responsibility rests on me and I can solve the problems and I can get home by 5pm. But when I get home, I turn the brain off. It needs rest and recharging.

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« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2018, 07:53:41 AM »
I have a job like this. I've gained 20ish pounds over four years. Lots of international travel, and people management, plus managing teams all around the world, so time zones are a huge issue for work life balance.

Here's what's helped me:
-I work out first thing in the morning. Almost every day. I use a workout DVD that has a variety of workouts (21 Day Fix). Some are cardio, some are strength, also includes yoga & pilates. Is it the perfect workout? No, but it's 30 minutes, I can do it right after my coffee, and check my workout off my list.
-I do walking meetings when possible. Again, it's not like this is the same as going for a 5 mile run, but most of my reports and/or peers are also looking for time to work out.
-I make "exercise dates" on weekends with friends, or join a running club. Then you have the fixed accountability, on a day when you CAN make it happen, and it's free
-Grocery delivery. Another option is to sign up for a menu planning service (just the plan, not the food) & combine this with the grocery delivery. Not totally mustachian, but way cheaper than meal delivery service.
-I shut down my laptop every night at 8, go to bed & read a book, and get as near 8 hours of sleep a night as possible. Every night. This helps me have more energy to make good decisions.

I'd also encourage you to go the slow & steady route. I've only lost about 5 lbs since the start of the year, but I'm working on building sustainable life changes. Also, YMMV, but I'm planning to leave my job in September. I may look for something part time, take a really long break, or not go back at all. So, I'm on a different timeline than you, but even so, I think more sustainable changes are critical.

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« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2018, 07:55:06 AM »
MrThatsdifferent - OK good to hear.  How about going to a psychologist to de-link comfort from food?  I've always been thin even though I eat quite a lot including some junk.  I've noticed that my friends and family who are overweight often eat for reasons other than hunger such as stress or boredom, whereas I would never eat unless I was actually hungry as it I don't see the point.  If I want to de-stress I might have a bath, surf the net or drink a glass of wine rather than eat cookies.  Maybe de-linking those two things is more important than trying to impose some kind of diet on yourself.

That is something I should be doing because I only comfort eat and use food for happiness. But the weight makes me unhappy.

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« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2018, 08:00:19 AM »
I have a job like this. I've gained 20ish pounds over four years. Lots of international travel, and people management, plus managing teams all around the world, so time zones are a huge issue for work life balance.

Here's what's helped me:
-I work out first thing in the morning. Almost every day. I use a workout DVD that has a variety of workouts (21 Day Fix). Some are cardio, some are strength, also includes yoga & pilates. Is it the perfect workout? No, but it's 30 minutes, I can do it right after my coffee, and check my workout off my list.
-I do walking meetings when possible. Again, it's not like this is the same as going for a 5 mile run, but most of my reports and/or peers are also looking for time to work out.
-I make "exercise dates" on weekends with friends, or join a running club. Then you have the fixed accountability, on a day when you CAN make it happen, and it's free
-Grocery delivery. Another option is to sign up for a menu planning service (just the plan, not the food) & combine this with the grocery delivery. Not totally mustachian, but way cheaper than meal delivery service.
-I shut down my laptop every night at 8, go to bed & read a book, and get as near 8 hours of sleep a night as possible. Every night. This helps me have more energy to make good decisions.

I'd also encourage you to go the slow & steady route. I've only lost about 5 lbs since the start of the year, but I'm working on building sustainable life changes. Also, YMMV, but I'm planning to leave my job in September. I may look for something part time, take a really long break, or not go back at all. So, I'm on a different timeline than you, but even so, I think more sustainable changes are critical.

Thanks for this. Another problem I have is I can’t  sleep 8 hours in a row. I generally come home from work, watch tv, have dinner with the SO, then pass out. Then wake up 2 hours later, stay awake until late, then get about 5 hours. I then wake up super early and get online or go for a walk. I might try the no screens after 8 thing. I definitely need to change my night routine.

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« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2018, 08:07:16 AM »
You know, I'd read "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck".  You mention at work you are trying to solve 1,000 problems.  Maybe you aren't saving enough of your "fucks given" on problems that matter to you, like your health or fitness.  Or, maybe you've lost the overarching purpose of what you're working towards in your work and so you strive to find purpose across a lot of different columns in life - needing to be healthier, more wealthy, etc.

I can be a huge advocate for the Jocko Willink, Jordan Peterson world of just knuckling down and accepting your load in life and trudging forward.  But at the same time, I've found a lot of solace in that first book.  Spoke to me on a lot of different levels and has some strong wisdom.  It also mentions that you will always be suffering to some degree in life, and that happiness as a goal is futile.  Ideally, you are trading bad problems for better problems.  Maybe you are trading in some problems (not having purpose at work -- because it sounds like you do) for problems with being able to handle other aspects of your life.  I think everyone ends up deciding for themselves whether those trade-offs are better or worse problems.

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« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2018, 08:17:04 AM »
I’ve alternated 72-82 hr work weeks this entire year. I’ve had every other Sunday off, and work 12’s. I work an incredibly fast paced, high level, high stress job with 22 people reporting to me. We’re behind schedule and have liquidated damage costs in the hundreds of thousands per day if we don’t meet schedule on my current project. Last week I just adjusted my schedule to hopefully have every Sunday off.

I have still hit 2-3 hrs in the gym EVERY week this year. I haven’t missed a single planned day (my wife lifts with me.) I go months and months without missing a planned gym day, but also make my goals reasonable. My diet is every bit as dedicated as my work and lifting, and has been for over a decade.

You’re not the only one with a hard job, or other road blocks. You either want it or you don’t. You don’t need anything fancy to get in shape and eat less garbage, because that’s what it comes down to. Eventually, you will look in the mirror and be reminded of how great you still feel, and that will stop you from indulging when you feel stressed.

You just have to do it. You’re making excuses. There’s no secrets and you shouldn’t need any special motivation. Look in the mirror. Look at your health. Think about how you feel about yourself. THAT is the only motivation that will create the habit you ne d to stay in shape for the next 10, 20, 30+ years. Once it is a habit, it will be like wiping your ass or brushing your teeth. The thought of not eating reasonably healthy or getting exercise eventually won’t even become a second thought.

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« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2018, 08:20:18 AM »
I have a job like this. I've gained 20ish pounds over four years. Lots of international travel, and people management, plus managing teams all around the world, so time zones are a huge issue for work life balance.

Here's what's helped me:
-I work out first thing in the morning. Almost every day. I use a workout DVD that has a variety of workouts (21 Day Fix). Some are cardio, some are strength, also includes yoga & pilates. Is it the perfect workout? No, but it's 30 minutes, I can do it right after my coffee, and check my workout off my list.
-I do walking meetings when possible. Again, it's not like this is the same as going for a 5 mile run, but most of my reports and/or peers are also looking for time to work out.
-I make "exercise dates" on weekends with friends, or join a running club. Then you have the fixed accountability, on a day when you CAN make it happen, and it's free
-Grocery delivery. Another option is to sign up for a menu planning service (just the plan, not the food) & combine this with the grocery delivery. Not totally mustachian, but way cheaper than meal delivery service.
-I shut down my laptop every night at 8, go to bed & read a book, and get as near 8 hours of sleep a night as possible. Every night. This helps me have more energy to make good decisions.

I'd also encourage you to go the slow & steady route. I've only lost about 5 lbs since the start of the year, but I'm working on building sustainable life changes. Also, YMMV, but I'm planning to leave my job in September. I may look for something part time, take a really long break, or not go back at all. So, I'm on a different timeline than you, but even so, I think more sustainable changes are critical.

Thanks for this. Another problem I have is I can’t  sleep 8 hours in a row. I generally come home from work, watch tv, have dinner with the SO, then pass out. Then wake up 2 hours later, stay awake until late, then get about 5 hours. I then wake up super early and get online or go for a walk. I might try the no screens after 8 thing. I definitely need to change my night routine.

It’s because you have a garbage sleep schedule. Don’t go to bed or let yourself fall asleep until 6-7 hrs before you have to wake up. I go to bed at 9:30-10 and wake up at 5. I’ve been known to wake up on my own at 3-4, so I go into work super early then leave early. If I came home, then napped for 2 hrs right away, my schedule would be wrecked.

This napping, getting up, going to bed, doesn’t work for most people and isn’t for you. I’ll pop some Benadryl or zzzquil if I have a night or two of bad sleep, but won’t do it too much so I can still sleep fine otherwise.

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« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2018, 08:23:21 AM »
I love what I do, have the job I’ve always wanted, get paid very well, and it’s draining me. I used to work out all the time, barely get to the gym. Used to cook all the time, now I order out constantly because I can’t be bothered. When I come home, all I want to do is veg and let my mind take a break. I spend my day solving a billion problems coming left and right and don’t want to do anything when I’m home. I keep lying to myself that I will do all the things I’m supposed to do myself, but I only seem to stick with it for a day. So now, I feel like I’m going to do the weak, entitled things to get back on track:
—hire a personal trainer ($100/week)
—get one of those healthy food delivery services to drop off meals ($100/week)

I’m thinking of doing this for 3 months, lose the 40lbs I’ve put on and reset my body. I hope it works, just have no idea how/why I’ve lost my once strong willpower.

Because shame isn’t enough, let the facepunching begin!

The bolded, red part is your problem. It's normal. Fix the problem and the rest will start to improve.

Not arguing with you but it’s the job, I’m at the top of the food chain and ultimately the responsibility rests on me and I can solve the problems and I can get home by 5pm. But when I get home, I turn the brain off. It needs rest and recharging.

I have a similar job - not the same amount of pressure perhaps, but I am making decisions nonstop all day every day (and not getting home until around 7pm every night).  When I get home the last thing I want to do is decide what to eat and it would be VERY easy to just run through a drive through on the way home.  My brain is fried and I just want to not think.

I've found the way to solve this (for me) is to make those decisions ahead of time and to set up as many obstacles to bad choices as possible.

Use your weekends to set yourself up for the week.
Cook in bulk, so you have your meals for the week waiting for you.
Fill your freezer with healthy(ish) alternatives.
Eat the same thing every day if you can handle it (I do for breakfast and lunch, which keeps me from having to think about it).

I've done the same thing with my wardrobe (which sounds insane, I know).  I do my laundry, fold it and put it away and simply wear the next thing in the drawer each day.

Basically, if you cannot reduce the number of choices you have at work then you should look at everything else and reduce the number of choices you have to make in life.

Once you start eating better it will be much easier to start working out again.
Doing one without the other, in my experience, is very difficult.

As a side note, if your brain is so overtaxed I might suggest that you look at your overall organization.  Perhaps if you had a solid system for keeping track of all your tasks then your brain wouldn't be so overworked.  This might be offtopic a bit, but I find when I feel that frazzled that it's due to my brain trying to keep track of all the 'open loops' I'm dealing with - which generally means I'm not properly tracking and organizing my tasks and time.  I'm sure you're already familiar with it, but if not I might suggest taking a look at David Allen's 'Getting Things Done' method for productivity.  It may not be for everyone, but it literally changed my life. 

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« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2018, 08:27:29 AM »
Before throwing money at fixes for symptoms, throw less money figuring out the cause:  go see a doctor and a therapist.  Seriously.  You may have thyroid problems or other medical problems that can cause weight gain and lethargy; you may be depressed, or suffering from anxiety that is causing secondary insomnia that is making you exhausted; etc. etc. etc.  Generally, when I find that I repeatedly cannot do things I know I should do, there is some underlying reason for it that I haven't identified yet, and all of the attempts to fix the behavior are useless until I figure out the why of it all.

Otherwise, the single best thing I have done is use my hatred of wasting money to override my hatred of exercise:  I signed up for an "all-access" pass at the Crossfit gym, which means I have to make myself go or I feel guilty about wasting the money.  And I go at 6 fucking AM, because that is the only way I can guarantee that work and life won't provide me some excuse for skipping later.  Something like this would be a good habit to get into regardless of what the doctor says.

And get over the embarrassment -- yes, I feel it to, but presumably you're at the gym to get better, right?  If I -- a 51-yr-old, overweight, out-of-shape suburban mom -- could deal with walking into a Crossfit class full of buff youngsters, you can do it too.  And the best part?  When I consistently finished last, they'd all stand around cheering for me to finish up, not mocking my failure.  What I thought would be a huge, routine hit to my ego turned out to be the most affirming thing I've done in years.  As the sign on the wall says, "No one cares if you finish last.  Everyone cares if you cheat."  (And now I am the relative-badass cheering on the newbies.  It's awesome.)

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« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2018, 08:28:41 AM »
Let me throw this out there. Bicycle. Bicycle to commute if you can and bicycle for fun. Get your breathing and heart rate up and do some miles. Get an ebike if you live in hilly country like me and struggle on the hills. You'll still be putting in the miles. You can choose the boost level and how hard you work.

Similar motivations - I need to lose some lbs. I let things become excuses to sit on the couch and watch TV. 

Started riding alot, came home exhausted but this week I've ridden to work three times, and rode with a group one evening for nearly 20 miles. This is my first 100 mile week. What is starting to happen is I'm not as exhausted. My speeds are increasing, my effort seems to be decreasing. I'm better rested in the morns.

Got to know the local bike shop. Our LBS has folks connecting to ride together off and on all week. It also has a group that rides for free one evening a week. Free fun.

There is a slow group and a fast group. I missed out on the slow group and chased the fast group for a few miles before I lost them - still I rode nearly 20 miles.  Very social bunch of guys. Hung out at the bike shop for an hour last night chatting. They were very encouraging about the group ride that I could not pace. Note I was riding my big tank of an 50 lb ebike. They were riding 16 oz carbon racing bikes and lots of spandex. ;)

The social aspect is what made it fun enough that I'll ride with the group (albeit the slow ones) again.

I play games with the ebike computer - max miles on lowest boost or minimum volts consumed or max distance with zero boost (a real trick on this heavy thing and constant elevation changes).
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« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2018, 08:42:12 AM »
I’ve alternated 72-82 hr work weeks this entire year. I’ve had every other Sunday off, and work 12’s. I work an incredibly fast paced, high level, high stress job with 22 people reporting to me. We’re behind schedule and have liquidated damage costs in the hundreds of thousands per day if we don’t meet schedule on my current project. Last week I just adjusted my schedule to hopefully have every Sunday off.

I have still hit 2-3 hrs in the gym EVERY week this year. I haven’t missed a single planned day (my wife lifts with me.) I go months and months without missing a planned gym day, but also make my goals reasonable. My diet is every bit as dedicated as my work and lifting, and has been for over a decade.

You’re not the only one with a hard job, or other road blocks. You either want it or you don’t. You don’t need anything fancy to get in shape and eat less garbage, because that’s what it comes down to. Eventually, you will look in the mirror and be reminded of how great you still feel, and that will stop you from indulging when you feel stressed.

You just have to do it. You’re making excuses. There’s no secrets and you shouldn’t need any special motivation. Look in the mirror. Look at your health. Think about how you feel about yourself. THAT is the only motivation that will create the habit you ne d to stay in shape for the next 10, 20, 30+ years. Once it is a habit, it will be like wiping your ass or brushing your teeth. The thought of not eating reasonably healthy or getting exercise eventually won’t even become a second thought.

I like this, thanks!

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« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2018, 08:46:42 AM »
Let me throw this out there. Bicycle. Bicycle to commute if you can and bicycle for fun. Get your breathing and heart rate up and do some miles. Get an ebike if you live in hilly country like me and struggle on the hills. You'll still be putting in the miles. You can choose the boost level and how hard you work.

Similar motivations - I need to lose some lbs. I let things become excuses to sit on the couch and watch TV. 

Started riding alot, came home exhausted but this week I've ridden to work three times, and rode with a group one evening for nearly 20 miles. This is my first 100 mile week. What is starting to happen is I'm not as exhausted. My speeds are increasing, my effort seems to be decreasing. I'm better rested in the morns.

Got to know the local bike shop. Our LBS has folks connecting to ride together off and on all week. It also has a group that rides for free one evening a week. Free fun.

There is a slow group and a fast group. I missed out on the slow group and chased the fast group for a few miles before I lost them - still I rode nearly 20 miles.  Very social bunch of guys. Hung out at the bike shop for an hour last night chatting. They were very encouraging about the group ride that I could not pace. Note I was riding my big tank of an 50 lb ebike. They were riding 16 oz carbon racing bikes and lots of spandex. ;)

The social aspect is what made it fun enough that I'll ride with the group (albeit the slow ones) again.

I play games with the ebike computer - max miles on lowest boost or minimum volts consumed or max distance with zero boost (a real trick on this heavy thing and constant elevation changes).

I bike to work but it’s only 15 min.  I use my bike as my car.

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« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2018, 08:47:06 AM »
I love what I do, have the job I’ve always wanted, get paid very well, and it’s draining me. I used to work out all the time, barely get to the gym. Used to cook all the time, now I order out constantly because I can’t be bothered. When I come home, all I want to do is veg and let my mind take a break. I spend my day solving a billion problems coming left and right and don’t want to do anything when I’m home. I keep lying to myself that I will do all the things I’m supposed to do myself, but I only seem to stick with it for a day. So now, I feel like I’m going to do the weak, entitled things to get back on track:
—hire a personal trainer ($100/week)
—get one of those healthy food delivery services to drop off meals ($100/week)

I’m thinking of doing this for 3 months, lose the 40lbs I’ve put on and reset my body. I hope it works, just have no idea how/why I’ve lost my once strong willpower.

Because shame isn’t enough, let the facepunching begin!

The bolded, red part is your problem. It's normal. Fix the problem and the rest will start to improve.

First, definitely get a physical to rule out thyroid problems, etc.  And look into depression as well.  Apart from those obvious triggers, I have some thoughts.


So, there's been some interesting experimental work on what we Americans think of as 'self-discipline' or 'willpower'.  Turns out, it isn't as much of an inborn or even learned 'character trait' or 'moral strength' as American mythology would have us believe.  Instead, self-regulation works quite similarly to a muscle, in that it relies on several factors all operating optimally:

1)  'fuel' (healthy nutrition, proper blood sugar levels, and a rested brain and body) to function at all (e.g., one of the reasons that PMS can result is such unusual temper, or emotions, in some women..i.e., less self regulation...is probably because blood sugar regulation is not as good in many women at the end of the menstrual cycle. That's physiological, not emotional, in origin). 

2)  'training/exercise'...just like a muscle, self-regulation can be gradually trained 'up' so that we can regulate ourselves in more and more demanding situations....but also like a muscle, it has a point of fatigue and collapse.  Why is it that when you look around you see example after example of people who are incredibly successful and seem disciplined in one area of life, who will then inexplicably fail terribly at regulating their behavior in another?  The reason usually is that the 'muscle of self regulation', when constantly exercised in one area of life, will fail from exhaustion when confronted with another.  Successful politicians who have long disciplined themselves to listen to voters they don't like, suck up to donors, deal with frustrating gridlock in their gov't, give speeches, cultivate their images to a faretheewell, etc. then shoot their entire life's work in the foot because of seemingly inexplicable sexual misbehavior.  Or what about high level performers at work who smoke or drink to excess?  Or what about the times you have found yourself in a stupid screaming match with your spouse about which restaurant to stop at after you are physically tired from driving all day, are hungry, and have been nobly refraining from reaching back and trying to strangle your bored kids who have squabbled in the back seat for the last 4 hours?  Or what about MOST of the population who sincerely want to lose weight and be healthier?  Do we really think the majority of overweight Americans have a fundamental moral or character flaw?  If so, how is that one of them might have been successfully resisting candy machines/coworker-brought treats all day at work? If they were flawed, why didn't they just eat it? Or another might have been stoically taking disrespect from boss or colleagues for years, with mounting frustration, but still never exploded in rage? They obviously have some willpower, but these same people often get home with will power muscle exhausted and then collapse and eat some pizza and ice cream.

3) Too many decisions / un-supportive contexts for self regulation (in a 'muscle' metaphor, this would be figuring out the right training environment/regime/or exercise).  Decision fatigue is real, which is why we are so drawn to habitual behavior as an energy saving 'shortcut' through life.  and modern life is full of millions of choices that sap energy.  Personally, I find the toothpaste aisle extremely tiring and will almost close my eyes and grab rather than trying decide among a ton of choices that mostly have no bearing on my life.  Who needs that energy suck?  Also, context is important in decision making.  If I habitually expose myself to e.g., the mall, with its tons of stimulating clothes, even a not-very-clothes-interested person like me will be far more tempted to buy something that wasn't in my budget (Ooh, Colors! Lights! SO MANY NEW THINGS!  brain overwhelmed...guess I will buy something).

Anyway, what it sounds like is you have a a stress level at work (and possibly elsewhere that you haven't stated or haven't id'd) that started to use up some of your self-regulatory 'muscle' at a high rate, and that left you less for self disciplining your eating.  So you slipped into eating more/worse food.  Then you probably had less energy b/c of worse food, which sapped your 'muscles' even more, which caused you to give up exercise as well, and so the spiral starts.

If I were you, I would first figure out how to take as much unhealthy decision making out of my life as possible.  Create as many healthy routines as possible that require the least amount of willpower to accomplish.   There was a reason that Obama insisted on wearing very similar clothes, and eating routinized meals, etc., during his stint in the White House: He had determined that he had no mental energy to devote to 'what do I want for dinner? what tie should I wear today?' type decisions.  Every one of those takes some energy, and a president has to be able to marshal as much self-regulatory ability as possible at all times to avoid such disasters as getting crabby and rising to an insult from say North Korea. Note that for all his iron self control in a lot of areas, he was never quite able to stop smoking.

Then try to identify all areas of work and relationships that require self regulation.  Do you have to bite your tongue around an annoying co-worker all day? It saps willpower.  Are things tense with a spouse? Saps willpower.  Etc.  Try to modify your routine and home and work life to reduce that stress, if possible.

I think you might have generally the right idea about trying to tackle your food situation first, because that is probably leading to you having less physical energy available to fuel self-regulation.  Regardless of how you do it, you want to change your context to expose yourself to as much routinized healthy options as possible, with as few bad options as possible.

As you gradually exercise self-discipline at low levels, hypothetically you will probably find your 'muscle' becomes stronger, and can tackle more throughout the day.  But remember, there is always a fatigue point out there, so try to identify yours and structure your routine to avoid hitting it.

Here's an interesting book on the subject: https://www.amazon.com/Willpower-Rediscovering-Greatest-Human-Strength/dp/0143122231/ref=la_B001H6IAJY_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1523628049&sr=1-1
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Re: Weakness is taking over
« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2018, 08:55:28 AM »
Before throwing money at fixes for symptoms, throw less money figuring out the cause:  go see a doctor and a therapist.  Seriously.  You may have thyroid problems or other medical problems that can cause weight gain and lethargy; you may be depressed, or suffering from anxiety that is causing secondary insomnia that is making you exhausted; etc. etc. etc.  Generally, when I find that I repeatedly cannot do things I know I should do, there is some underlying reason for it that I haven't identified yet, and all of the attempts to fix the behavior are useless until I figure out the why of it all.

Otherwise, the single best thing I have done is use my hatred of wasting money to override my hatred of exercise:  I signed up for an "all-access" pass at the Crossfit gym, which means I have to make myself go or I feel guilty about wasting the money.  And I go at 6 fucking AM, because that is the only way I can guarantee that work and life won't provide me some excuse for skipping later.  Something like this would be a good habit to get into regardless of what the doctor says.

And get over the embarrassment -- yes, I feel it to, but presumably you're at the gym to get better, right?  If I -- a 51-yr-old, overweight, out-of-shape suburban mom -- could deal with walking into a Crossfit class full of buff youngsters, you can do it too.  And the best part?  When I consistently finished last, they'd all stand around cheering for me to finish up, not mocking my failure.  What I thought would be a huge, routine hit to my ego turned out to be the most affirming thing I've done in years.  As the sign on the wall says, "No one cares if you finish last.  Everyone cares if you cheat."  (And now I am the relative-badass cheering on the newbies.  It's awesome.)

Yes, there’s something going on, linked to the mid-life crisis part. Body isn’t performing the same and it’s frustrating. Yes, the idea is to get back to badass status. I just don’t think therapy will get me back working out consistently quickly. I’m just using this a jumpstart reset.

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« Reply #46 on: April 13, 2018, 09:00:30 AM »
I agree with others that a trainer + meal delivery is a band-aid and not fixing the real problem.  Some thoughts:

-yes, you need to take a lunch break.  I used to be an eat lunch at my desk sort of person too.  I would eat what I packed from home...but then wind up taking numerous snack breaks throughout the afternoon and buying stuff like chocolates, chips, etc.  A year or so ago my husband got a job near my office and now we meet for lunch.  It's only 30 minutes (sometimes less if one of us is having a really busy day), but it really resets me for the afternoon and I find I am much less inclined to snack throughout the day.  I now make a point of going outside to eat even if my husband isn't around for lunch and even then, it's a good reset.  Taking a short break will make you a more effective worker!!

-Yes to batch cooking at the weekends.  But if you can't find the time to do that consistently, go check out the prepared/frozen meal options at Trader Joe's (assuming you have one nearby).  Pick a few that are appealing to you and that fit your nutritional criteria, and keep them in your freezer, or plan to have a few at the office as your lunch option during the week.  It's not clear how many meals you are getting for that $100/week, but unless it's breakfast, lunch, AND dinner 7 days/week, it will almost definitely be cheaper to buy some prepared foods at TJ's for lunch/dinner and eating a basic healthy breakfast like scrambled eggs, oatmeal, or even some fancy-ass high protein Kashi cereal.  Seriously, $100/week is nearly $5/meal.  You don't have to be hardcore mustachian to beat that.

-Experiment with some different ways of giving your job a bit of the middle finger.  For example, can you work from home 1-2 days/week?  I started doing this a while ago and I find one work from home even one day a week makes a huge difference in my stress levels, and in turn, my ability to maintain healthy eating habits.  I save about an hour of commute time and can use that time to do a grocery run or get some meal prep things done (chop up veggies, make a batch of soup in the instantpot, or just get the kitchen clean so that starting batch cooking on the weekends will be easier).  Overall I think a lot of people (myself included) make the mistake of thinking that their job "needs" them to maintain a certain level of dedication/responsibility, but the reality is that things will be just fine at 80-90% of that.  Even people at the top of the food chain are not indispensable. A few weeks ago my boss went on vacation and we had a sort of unpredictable crisis event come up.  Well, guess what...we underlings managed just fine.  Likewise, last weekend someone emailed me asking me to make a time-sensitive decision, but my phone had f***ed itself up so I didn't receive the email until after the deadline had passed.  A decision was made in my absence and it was exactly the decision I would have recommended, so all was well.  If your job won't tolerate a level of commitment that permits you to also take care of yourself, you need to find a new job.

-You MUST figure out how to get adequate sleep.  I went through a period of extreme sleep deprivation a while back and it completely messed up my ability to make rational food choices.  I'd definitely suggest experimenting with a weeknight screentime ban for a couple of weeks to get your sleep schedule sorted out.  You aren't obliged to use that time for housework, meal prep, workouts, etc., just don't turn on the television, laptop, etc. when you get home.  Spend some time chilling out with your partner, then brush your teeth, put on your pjs, and go to bed with a book.  Check out some fun books from the library (whatever you enjoy, don't worry about it being educational or virtuous reading for now. I'm currently enjoying some incredibly cheesy murder mysteries that do nothing for my brain, but the point is to relax and get into sleep mode).  Then have a set time by which lights will be going off.

-It sounds like you are already reasonably active, so I would skip the trainer for the moment and focus on sleep and getting into a better eating routine.  Extra workouts are probably just going to make you want to eat more at the moment.

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Re: Weakness is taking over
« Reply #47 on: April 13, 2018, 09:10:35 AM »
Thanks cats, it’s actually worse than $5/meal, it’s $10/meal. I’ll eat hard boiled eggs and protein shakes as snacks in between. I’m also a pretty good cook but have lost all interest. Not sure what is going on.

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« Reply #48 on: April 13, 2018, 09:26:36 AM »
Avoid food delivery at all costs. It's more like $20/meal when you consider the portions are barely enough for two people and you STILL have to cook it. The frozen aisle is a good option for later after you've started cooking (and legitimately need a break), but I wouldn't use it as a crutch just yet since it's not really going to get you anywhere except maybe save a bit of $.

Also, I wouldn't feel guilty about taking down time. Everyone needs time to recover, and it's stupid if you don't allow for that. And not everyone's the same. Not everyone needs 7-8 hour of sleep and that's just life. Lucky you if you don't, but I know I do for sure.

You don't have to do everything at once. If you're in the position to easily be able to toss $2,400 out to jump-start a healthier lifestyle, you're obviously in no rush. Start by replacing a few meals with some repetitive dishes. Go on walks. It's pretty simple. Buy a nice bike and fitness tracker that will motivate you with that money instead.

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« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2018, 10:22:26 AM »
I love what I do, have the job I’ve always wanted, get paid very well, and it’s draining me. I used to work out all the time, barely get to the gym. Used to cook all the time, now I order out constantly because I can’t be bothered. When I come home, all I want to do is veg and let my mind take a break. I spend my day solving a billion problems coming left and right and don’t want to do anything when I’m home. I keep lying to myself that I will do all the things I’m supposed to do myself, but I only seem to stick with it for a day. So now, I feel like I’m going to do the weak, entitled things to get back on track:
—hire a personal trainer ($100/week)
—get one of those healthy food delivery services to drop off meals ($100/week)

I’m thinking of doing this for 3 months, lose the 40lbs I’ve put on and reset my body. I hope it works, just have no idea how/why I’ve lost my once strong willpower.

Because shame isn’t enough, let the facepunching begin!

Ok, I'll bite.  I think you should keep one of the two.  Which is more important?

Those meal services I think are a ripoff.  Get an instant pot, make a huge pile of chili on Sunday then BOOM -- way less work than even a meal service.  Or "Taco Tuesday," which at our house is basically rice, beans, avacado, tomato, cheese in separate bowls. If you can't do that you won't be able to do those meal prep services either.

Or buy a bunch of cans of tuna fish, or tons of eggs.  You don't need luxury cooking right now.  Just learn to make a bunch of staples in large quantities and rinse and repeat.  Less effort than posting here!!

I agree with a PP that recommended group classes instead of a trainer,.

I'm going to take the opposite side of this and say that 90% of weightloss is the food you are putting in your body. I am a person that has trouble not overeating when I'm stressed and tired (I will eat a ton of food whether it is healthy or not). A meal service that delivers a perfectly portioned, healthy serving would be a godsend in that sort of situation.

It basically comes down to what you OP find the most helpful.

I'm not going to facepunch. I'm mustachian 11 months of the year but I always need a month off (usually mid feb- mid march) or else I begin to feel seriously deprived and stressed. I think setting a time limit on this idea is great. Please let us know what you decide to do!