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Using work phone as personal phone
« on: May 02, 2017, 07:34:02 PM »
So I am about to get a work iPhone and am wondering if I should also use it as my personal phone. I currently pay $30/month on a prepaid carrier. The mustachian in me says I should to save money but then part of me thinks of not to. I do not use my phone for anything "dirty" so it would not be like that but the thought of the employer having access to any of my personal texts or calls on it, etc. may not be the best. For those who have a work phone do you use it as a personal phone to or do you keep it separate?

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2017, 08:01:02 PM »
I do. I also wipe off the security software they put on it by syncing it with my personal computer/previous iPhone. Webmail app still works to get my work email, so I don't need it.

It is pretty common to use it as a personal phone where I work. With an iPhone I don't see the issue because it is easy to wipe before I return it someday, and if I suddenly got let go for some reason, I "left it at home today and will return tomorrow."

Work phones are great! I'm on vacation right now and they even added an international plan just in case I needed to use it while here for work (I didn't.)

I know all companies are different, and I wouldn't do it if it cost them extra, but it doesn't and it's totally acceptable where I work. I'd see what others do at your company, too. YMMV.

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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2017, 08:06:43 PM »
Don't.

Most of the time, work phones have recycled phone numbers, which means you'll be getting an endless stream of phone calls for someone who probably doesn't want to be reached.  The ever-fun debt collectors, calling at all hours.  "Do you know Mr. So-and-so?  No?  Well, are you related?  Do you know how to get in touch with him?  Company I'm with?  Uh... bad connection... *click*"

Or Canadian Pharmacies, or whatever.

Plus, getting your # split out from a corp plan is usually somewhere between "very difficult" and "impossible."  I've done it once - never again.  I swear it took signatures in triplicate, notarized, from the President of the United States, for me to get my personal number out of a work plan.

Put your personal # on a cheap phone if you don't use it much (Project Fi or something), but don't let it get blended into the work, unless you truly don't care about getting that number back, ever.

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2017, 08:43:43 PM »
Check your co's phone policy(es) first.
I would keep my personal phone on a low cost carrier like Ting or SelecTel - just to preserve 'my' number, if I decided to used the Co. phone.

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2017, 08:48:35 PM »
If you want just one phone port to Google Voice. Depending on your present carrier you may have to port to TMobile first. Check HowardForums.com.

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2017, 09:36:16 PM »
It's your employer's device.  Their policy may allow private use of the phone, keeping in mind that they have right to check anything on the phone: apps, contacts, dialed numbers, emails, EVERYTHING.  The company also has a right to wipe it clean if they suspect possible security breach.  I would vote for no - and keep private phone.  Can you go pre-paid and save some money that way?

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2017, 10:06:32 PM »
I kept them separate at my last job and regretted it. Aside from the annoyance of juggling two phones, the main reason was fairly specific to that job in that it required high level networking with a ton of amazing contacts to have. When I left the job there were quite a few professional relationships I really wanted to maintain, so I actually ended up ditching my former personal phone (which had an area code from another state anyway) and was able to take over the work phone #, which was released to me.

I did not have Syonyk's experience at all in that if anything I get fewer junk calls on the number than the last one, and while mildly annoying, the # transfer process really wasn't that bad. Yes, my work could have looked at my phone records any time they wanted when I was with them, but since I never used it for anything that would be a problem, I didn't care about that. So personally, I think the best course can vary depending on the details, but if I could do it over, I would have just used my personal phone for work as well.
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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2017, 10:17:13 PM »
Most of the time, work phones have recycled phone numbers, which means you'll be getting an endless stream of phone calls for someone who probably doesn't want to be reached.  The ever-fun debt collectors, calling at all hours.  "Do you know Mr. So-and-so?  No?  Well, are you related?  Do you know how to get in touch with him?  Company I'm with?  Uh... bad connection... *click*"

At my last job, my desk phone had this problem. It was a number that used to be used by an old defunct mining company that had been bought out several times over. It was their HR line. Not just the HR line, but the number that was provided long ago in benefit materials for beneficiaries to use to collect on their eventual life insurance claim. So once every couple of months, I would have to explain to an elderly lady that I couldn't help her with her recently deceased husband's life insurance policy and that I had no idea who she could call for help. It was always very sad.
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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2017, 10:33:18 PM »
Jofjor,  amazing situational story about a phone number!
I did only carry the work phone for both work and personal.  No juggling 2 phones.   Free.  Awesome.

The only drawback is that your are less likely to just turn off your phone and let it stay put (not with you) on the weekends.   

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2017, 10:40:07 PM »
I guess it depends on the employer. Family members have had the same number for years but on different phones that they've picked out and after they've changed jobs. They use their phones for both work and personal but work pays for it.

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2017, 11:58:08 PM »
I did it whenever I had a work phone. No problem. I wouldn't juggle two phones, nor pay for a second phone when I didn't need it.

My "personal" number is a Google Voice, so I simply redirect it to whatever phone I need.

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2017, 12:14:57 AM »
I know several people that do, but for me, the separation between personal and work is worth the $35/month. On top of that, the work phone is going off at all hours with messages/email notifications, phone calls when I'm not working, etc, that I feel much better having the phone O.F.F. for.

Also, a work colleague finally completely broke the screen for their work phone, which was their only phone, and now has to wait on corporate time to get a replacement phone. My old Galaxy S5 personal phone could be replaced within about 2 days(mail) or <1 hour since it's mine on my plan. I have no issues whatsoever with heading over to ifixit, and trying to repair my personal phone also.

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2017, 02:58:57 AM »
I'd rather have the ability to lock the phone in a drawer upon leaving the office in the evening.

That and most organisations require you to sign an agreement that anything transmitted or produced using the company's resources, belongs to the company.

Although in my case, I'm not issued with a mobile phone by my work, so it's left on the desk when I leave anyway by nature of it being a desk phone :)

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2017, 04:57:58 AM »
First, if the phone they give you supports 2 sim cards, then WOOT! You can use it as your personal AND your company phone and not have to carry around 2 phones.

Second, just check your company policy on the phone for personal use. Most nowadays will have it the same as a work computer. You may use it for personal use, just no porn, illegal crap, etc....
Someone mentioned the number changing, sure, it may change, but oh well? If you can save 40-90$/mo i think it is worth it by a mile

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2017, 05:43:14 AM »
I keep two phones because we get work email at all times and when I had just one, I got into the bad habit of checking work email and calendar first thing in the morning.... And have my blood pressure shoot up seeing everything that went wrong or needed to get done that day. True, having two phones is a pain but it's a small price to pay for a relaxed morning every day and to start the day on my own terms.

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2017, 07:40:05 AM »
Carried my work phone as my personal phone for years, now my current employer doesn't issue phones and instead gives a ~$50/mo credit on my paycheck to pay for a phone I hook up to work email/calendar/etc.  Either way works fine IMO.

I did the 2 phones thing for a while (back when work issued ancient blackberries before switching to iPhones) and it sucked. 

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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2017, 08:13:05 AM »
Without context for everyone's situation it's very difficult to arrive at a conclusion in terms of what works for them and if it would work for you.

I've tried different methods, past company offered the choice of company phone or $50/credit to subsidize your personal phone, I took the credit and used my personal phone.  Worked great in some ways, not so great in others.

Current company doesn't issue credits and provide company phones so now I am using two phones and pay my personal bill.  The physical separation to me is well worth it especially because I use my personal phone a lot as I am running a side business.  If I was to consolidate I think it would make it less organized and more difficult to manage and like someone else said the work phone gets put away on weekends and I only check for missed calls, otherwise I don't bother with emails or texts, I figure if it's an emergency then I'd get a call.

For some people their jobs may not be as "on" as others and they may not have as much going on their personal phones, these are perfect candidates to consolidate and use a single work provided device.  If you are juggling a lot more than that I'd suggest paying the monthly fee as it's worth the separation and peace you get from keeping private vs. business separate.
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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2017, 08:38:47 AM »
This one is easy, don't let work give you a phone:)

You have now given work permission to steal with calls and nonsense texts when on vacation, weekends on your boat, etc. I'm making a new rule for anyone who comes fishing with me this year, leave your phone in the car or I'm going to toss it in the lake!

Now if your a road warrior, etc. you don't have much choice!

If you have to have a work phone, shut the thing off after work hours and pick up your personal phone, so my vote is to keep your personal phone.

Guess I'm now an official old geezer, I long for day when all phones had a cord and a house only had one phone for everyone, hell some of my mates did not even have a house phone, ah the good old days:)




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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2017, 10:44:38 AM »
Without context for everyone's situation it's very difficult to arrive at a conclusion in terms of what works for them and if it would work for you.

This is the crux of the matter.

Our policy is to issue phones for work purposes only.  We provide custom
mobile applications for our employees.  The phones are encrypted and
linked to their work email accounts.  We have the ability (and occasional
need) to remotely wipe their phones if lost or stolen.

Interestingly, I just had to provide Google with a privacy policy statement
for our latest Android app, even though it's only used internally.

On the positive side, we only expect staff to be using their phones during
working hours, which may include working from home.  I actually feel
better about calling someone on one of the phones we've issued than
on their personal phones.  If someone is off for the day, it's their option
to have their work phone available, but people almost always need
their personal phones available.



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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2017, 10:47:01 AM »
I guess everyone is different, but I NEVER used my work phone as my personal phone.  I didn't like the fact that work had complete access to my call logs, SMS logs, etc.

My private life is my private life, and I don't want anyone else having access to the fact that I spent an hour talking to someone at 1am if I felt like it, of texted someone dozens of times regarding a topic (planning a party), etc...

In fact, I love carrying more than 1 phone.  That way I don't have battery anxiety, and I have dual coverage anywhere I go.  I use my phone to listen to music, browse web, etc... and 1 phone would be dead by mid-day.  2nd phone gives additional power to do whatever I need.

I also use 2 different carriers, 1 for work, another for personal, so I have great coverage where I go.  I travel for work occasionally, and work from home the rest of the time, and I love having 2 phones, to manage my personal life and work communication.

I guess most people are in an office all day, and go home at night, and don't have too unique of a life... if that's you, and you don't mind work knowing all about your phone communications, having 1 work phone is ok for you.   This is never ok with me.

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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2017, 10:52:47 AM »
I guess everyone is different, but I NEVER used my work phone as my personal phone.  I didn't like the fact that work had complete access to my call logs, SMS logs, etc.

My private life is my private life, and I don't want anyone else having access to the fact that I spent an hour talking to someone at 1am if I felt like it, of texted someone dozens of times regarding a topic (planning a party), etc......

I guess most people are in an office all day, and go home at night, and don't have too unique of a life... if that's you, and you don't mind work knowing all about your phone communications, having 1 work phone is ok for you.   This is never ok with me.

My last employer (which issued me a phone I used for personal/work) had 150,000 employees, and the people managing the phones worked in some back office hundreds or thousands of miles from where I sat.  Conceivably someone "could" go track down my individual usage, but in reality, no one ever would.  If you work in a small office of a few dozen people I get it, but outside of that, it's just not a realistic concern.

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2017, 10:59:58 AM »
I guess everyone is different, but I NEVER used my work phone as my personal phone.  I didn't like the fact that work had complete access to my call logs, SMS logs, etc.

My private life is my private life, and I don't want anyone else having access to the fact that I spent an hour talking to someone at 1am if I felt like it, of texted someone dozens of times regarding a topic (planning a party), etc......

I guess most people are in an office all day, and go home at night, and don't have too unique of a life... if that's you, and you don't mind work knowing all about your phone communications, having 1 work phone is ok for you.   This is never ok with me.

My last employer (which issued me a phone I used for personal/work) had 150,000 employees, and the people managing the phones worked in some back office hundreds or thousands of miles from where I sat.  Conceivably someone "could" go track down my individual usage, but in reality, no one ever would.  If you work in a small office of a few dozen people I get it, but outside of that, it's just not a realistic concern.
could be true, but if you make an enemy of someone at work who has influence, they can start tracking all of your calls and messages, and look for ways to make your life miserable or force you out of the job.  I'd rather not give work any more information than absolutely necessary about my personal life.

Secondly, should you leave, especially at a place with over 5k employees, they may have a policy of not allowing you to take the work number with you.  The IT department may be bureaucratic and not give a crap about giving your number when you quit... they have much bigger fish to fry.

Again I'd rather not have to change my number with all of my personal contacts, or risk them calling the number when it's been issued to a new employee after I leave. 

I make over 6 figures per year, I don't need to quibble about using my work issued phone for personal calls.  This is one luxury where I won't make an exception.  Too many downsides and not much upside, aside from saving $20 - $30 per month on a personal line.
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2017, 11:03:42 AM »
Assuming it doesn't violate any company policies, I'd just use the work phone ... and pocket the money I would've spent on a personal phone.  I'm not overly concerned about anything that the company might see.  I don't transmit anything any more "private" than a recipe or plans to meet someone or dinner.  They'd take care of the shopping for a phone and would replace it every so often.  If it were damaged, they'd repair it.  Sounds like a win-win situation to me. 

The three problems I can foresee from this one-phone system:

- If you are laid off, they'll take the phone back RIGHT NOW, leaving you suddenly in the lurch ... no time to choose a phone at your leisure/order if from ebay, and there's never a good time to go down to the phone store and make a sudden choice. 
- You'd end up changing your phone number, which is a hassle. 
- You don't get to choose your own phone.  For example, I like the screens that're only slightly smaller than a big-screen TV; and since I pay for my own phone, I get to choose that extra-large model.  If you get yours from work, you probably take what everyone else has. 

Still, those "cons" aren't so bad.  I'd put up with them to save the cost of a personal phone. 


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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2017, 12:54:50 PM »
I mostly did it because carrying two phones become too much of a hassle.

The unlimited data plan is also awesome!

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2017, 01:26:53 PM »
I mostly did it because carrying two phones become too much of a hassle.

The unlimited data plan is also awesome!

This is why I use my work phone as my personal phone. 

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2017, 06:59:46 AM »
why is number an issue when you can forward it with google voice or any other phone and leave it at home?

i thought legally, if you used anything on work phone, it becomes work property. so if you use social media/etc, and they need phone for court evidence, you have to turn over social media/ forum accounts as well

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« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2017, 09:15:06 AM »
Ha! This is one of many things that motivated me to FIRE. I was self-employed in my industry, so had my own cell phone, which was a business expense. Due to wonky brain, I must have phone number with a good pattern, so it sticks to said brain. (Even years later, I don't remember the # first, I remember the pattern, then the number magically materializes. Weird, but that's my workaround.)

Eventually, I switched to a mega-corp in the same industry with many of the same customers. There was a phone allowance, so seamless transition, more money in my pocket. All good for about four years. Some time  around 2009 or 2010, mega-corp announces they're taking away the phone allowance and giving us...Blackberries! Ignoring the virtually obsolete technology aspect, the number I was assigned was gobbledygook, with absolutely no pattern. No, they couldn't give me a better one. But I could give them access to my existing number, with no assurance that I'd ever get it back. Uh...no.

Further, my number was my parent's emergency contact with every single one of their medical providers. As I recall, all of this was going down while my parents were hospitalized after a serious traffic accident, so, NO, you cannot fucking have my existing phone number and NO, I will not make my customers or my weird brain learn a new phone number.

My solution was to keep my phone and my number, and use it as I always had, but back to my own frugal dime. I took the BlackBerry and used it to read company emails only. It stayed in the (company) car all day. Even my boss knew not to call me on that phone. It came in sorta handy. I could talk on one hand with my phone and scroll through emails with the other hand while driving. Just kidding about the driving part, officer.

When I finally pulled the RE trigger, I changed my VM message, and fairly quickly, the business calls stopped, but I still have easy contact with the people I actually care about post-FIRE.

Since then, mega-Corp has gotten much worse. Their sales force is a revolving door. The reason they keep the phone numbers is so they can drop the Fucking New Guy into the Fucking Last Guy's territory with minimal effort. So glad I didn't trust them, kept my number and paid the extra money not to use their phone.

Even if it was a great company, I wouldn't do it. It's too easy to have a change of regime. New boss comes in and wants you out so he can make a place for one of his cronies from his last firm? Don't give him the ammo of access to your phone records. Some productivity wonk starts analyzing how much time you spend doing X, Y, or Z? Don't make yourself an easy target. If they don't have easy access to your stuff, they'll find someone else to micro-manage.

Writing posts like this just reminds me that every little sacrifice on the road to FIRE has paid off magnificently.  So amazingly worth the effort.

Not surprisingly, DH, who loves his job, carries a personal phone in his pocket and has a work phone in his truck. His job is such that he's not expected to answer every call on the first ring. He uses his personal line even to talk with his work buddies during the work day. And I can send him any message I want, with no fear of invasion of privacy by his employer.

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« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2017, 04:49:34 PM »
My current work phone is a piece of shit.  I miss my old work blackberry.  At least that thing worked.  Yes I keep a personal cell phone.

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Re: Using work phone as personal phone
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2017, 10:01:30 AM »
I had an old school flip-phone 3 years ago. No data, no texting plan... Then I received a phone from work (iphone) in 2014. After a few months, got tired of carrying around two phones, especially when I rarely used my personal one, so I gave up my personal phone and phone number. I know the company can access my information at any point in time, but it doesn't really concern me. They are welcome to enjoy my 500+ cat photos :)

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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2017, 05:27:56 PM »
I use it.

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« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2017, 05:02:04 AM »
This conversation is so odd to me.  I can't imagine a) carrying two phones, or b) not having your work info on your personal phone.  You do know that you can disable your Work email on your phone during the weekend, right?  Maybe it is just me and the nature of my job, but I feel more stress not being able to be contacted or not knowing what is going on when I am not at work on weekdays.  If a line goes down on Monday night, and I show up Tuesday morning to that surprise, it makes my life worse. 

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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2017, 05:26:28 AM »
I'm dealing with this now. I managed to get to a fairly high level without getting a work phone until recently. Company is good and I don't have any fears of privacy invasion. My iPhone isn't supervised so no direct access for company and supervision can only be turned on by wiping the phone once it's setup. Plus most texts are iMessage or WhatsApp so encrypted but I'm still maintaining my personal phone for now.

I had an iPhone 5 for 4+ years and bought an iPhone 7. A month later work gave me another iPhone 7. I really don't mind carrying both but it's tempting to sell my personal phone since it's so new. The main thing holding me back is that I would be too tempted to check my email all the time.


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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2017, 05:39:39 AM »
In 20 years of work, have never owned a personal phone or had a mobile phone account for which I was responsible.  I consider it a perk and use it within my employer's policy. My boss calls me at all hours on evenings and weekends and expects instant response.  I don't understand my co-workers who come to meetings and sit with two iPhones on the table in front of them.   

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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2017, 07:08:14 AM »
I use my work phone but I keep a voipo home phone account with a number that is mine so if I leave people can still get ahold of me. I have had the voipo number for over 10 years but was tired of carting around 2 phones

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!