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Using a smartphone without a service provider
« on: March 05, 2019, 07:00:23 PM »
I’m sure others here already do this, but I’m looking for tips for using a smartphone without a provider.

I currently have Ting, which is actually good service and affordable at about $16 per month.

The thing is, I almost never need my cellphone when I’m not near a WiFi spot.  I’ve decided that since mankind went plenty of centuries without being constantly reachable, I can reasonably be unreachable from time to time and that’s OK!

My plan is:

* Use one of the smart phones I already own.  I have a motoX and an older iPhone6.  I also have a new iPad which I love and admittedly use way too much.
* Use Google Voice for calls and texts.  I already signed up and have a new phone number.  It’s free.  Works great on the iPad as of now.  Obviously, I need to be on WiFi for it to work.
* Rely on GPS from my phone without a provider.  I’ve been testing this lately with the old iPhone.  Seems to work OK.  If I download the route while on WiFi it works fine when I get off the WiFi and drive away.  The iPad doesn’t work as well as the phone, but it works.
* Rely on 911 emergency services with the phone.  I hike a lot.  Especially in the summer, and I often go alone.  I won’t have phone service to call a friend for help, but I would always be able to call 911 I believe.
* Use the WiFi that’s always around me.  Again, I’m usually near WiFi.  My house has WiFi obviously, and whenever I’m at work I’m automatically connected.  I’m also an Xfinity customer so I have access to some hotspots around town, plus any other free WiFi I might stumble upon (library, etc.).

There are some downsides to this.  I occasionally travel for work, although much less these days.  There could be an unfortunate moment when I need an Uber or to check something online ASAP, but even that’s unlikely.  I’m spending $200 per year for Ting.  I can afford it and all, but I really don’t need it and I really don’t use it.

Does anyone have tips?  Is Google Voice the best free phone provider?  Anything else I should consider?

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Re: Using a smartphone without a service provider
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2019, 07:41:13 PM »
Tracfone. Under 100 a year, covers your emergency situations.

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Re: Using a smartphone without a service provider
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2019, 07:47:22 PM »
I’ve looked at tracfone.  I considered, but I want to go to $0.00

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Re: Using a smartphone without a service provider
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2019, 07:59:48 PM »
The E911 issue might be problematic in the coming months and years as the older networks get shut down and everyone pushes to VoLTE voice service. There's also the issue of callback with E911 and triangulation services. The network technology changes and fragmentation is making the SIM-less 911 emergency phone idea harder and riskier moving forward.

Of course, with Google Voice, as it's free? You're the product being bought and sold. It's also not as reliable and robust as you might need/want. Speaking of privacy and security, I wouldn't be so hot to just randomly connect with every indiscrimiate WiFi hotspot in the world, and would recommend at minimum a VPN service going this route as well, but that's also going to deeply impact call quality with any VoIP solution adding considerable latency. You ultimately get what you pay for. As such, be frugal, not cheap. Your life and your privacy should be worth more than a few shiny baubles. Be willing to pay for what you actually need.

If you want emergency fallback calling service, H2O Wireless is one of the few remaining MVNOs offering PAYGO, and still has it at a reasonable rate. Minimum $10/90 days, 5¢/min/SMS, 10¢/MB/MMS, no monthly connect fees. You'd be looking at $40/year and it'd give you AT&T coverage.

It's also worth noting that RedPocket has annual plans with 100 minutes, 100 SMS and 500MB data a month allotments for $60/year, and they offer service on all four major carriers. Given your average Ting bill, it could likely cover what you already use and then some, assuming you're using the minimal tier across the board. Perhaps instead of going hardcore WiFi only and letting Google datamine you in exchange for dodgy phone service, spend the little extra and just use a lower cost MVNO than Ting.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2019, 08:20:18 PM by Daley »

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Re: Using a smartphone without a service provider
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2019, 08:11:17 PM »
I have been trying to get my phone bill down to zero using a similiar strategy to you.  I use Google voice for nearly everything and its great 90+ percent of the time.

I agree with you that there are times when data is just very useful.  My solution is to use Tello, a Sprint MVNO.  The advantage with them is you can buy $10 worth of pay as you go minutes/texts/data and they never expire. I got on this 2 years ago and i managed to go 16 months before the $10 ran out.  I just used it whenever i truly needed it, which was on vacation a few times, sending a text here and there.  There are probably other MVNOs that structure their pay as you go this way, the key is having the money never expire. 

To me this is the best of both worlds, having it there for emergencies and paying basically nothing for it. 

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Re: Using a smartphone without a service provider
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2019, 08:31:24 PM »
I have been trying to get my phone bill down to zero using a similiar strategy to you.  I use Google voice for nearly everything and its great 90+ percent of the time.

I agree with you that there are times when data is just very useful.  My solution is to use Tello, a Sprint MVNO.  The advantage with them is you can buy $10 worth of pay as you go minutes/texts/data and they never expire. I got on this 2 years ago and i managed to go 16 months before the $10 ran out.  I just used it whenever i truly needed it, which was on vacation a few times, sending a text here and there.  There are probably other MVNOs that structure their pay as you go this way, the key is having the money never expire. 

To me this is the best of both worlds, having it there for emergencies and paying basically nothing for it.

THANK YOU!  This looks perfect.

I should note to the other comment above, I hardly use my phone to talk anyway.  I talk to most of my friends on FB messenger video/audio and it works fine 100% of the time.

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Re: Using a smartphone without a service provider
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2019, 06:15:06 AM »
Wow, hadn't heard of Tello pay as you go. If the balance doesn't expire, that's a huge benefit. I have the legacy Boost mobile pay as you go ($5 every 3 months, Sprint network) and Airvoice pay as you go for work ($10 every 3 months, AT&T network) but will see if I can switch phones/numbers to Tello. Thanks!

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Re: Using a smartphone without a service provider
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2019, 12:35:28 PM »
You can try Freedompop.

They are a bit slimy, but if you do it right you will get 100% free data - 200Mb a month (which you can up by doing some friend exchange nonsense - so actually 700Mb), 200 minutes and 500 texts.

You have to pay for the SIM card usually (I forget, I think they were discounted for black friday a couple of years back which is when I got one).

You absolutely have to opt out of all their extras but there are guides on doing so.

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Re: Using a smartphone without a service provider
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2019, 02:55:38 PM »
I have a friend who does this.  If he weren't mentally ill, and could hold a job, and maintain friendships normally, he'd probably find a phone plan to be worth paying for, if not a necessity, like most of us do.  Right now it suits his flaky personality, always  having an excuse not to respond for hours or days, until he gets to the next free wifi.

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Re: Using a smartphone without a service provider
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2019, 03:15:03 PM »
I’ve looked at tracfone.  I considered, but I want to go to $0.00

Our use cases sound similar.

It's not $0, but I do $3 / month pay as you go with TMo.

Combination of 30 texts and minutes / month

Not as good as Ptel was (I was under $25/year), but OK.

And I could use more if needed (haven't yet in 2 years or so)

« Last Edit: March 06, 2019, 03:28:10 PM by NorthernBlitz »

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Re: Using a smartphone without a service provider
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2019, 05:16:32 PM »
If jumping on random free WiFi all the time, I'd be cautious about what you do with your smartphone.  Not very difficult to have you go into an unsecured AP with some good ol etherpeek type software running in the background and capture all your data traffic.

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Re: Using a smartphone without a service provider
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2019, 11:40:55 AM »
OK, UPDATE:

I went with FreeUP Mobile.  I looked into Tello but my wife’s old iPhone 5C wasn’t compatible.  (I said 6 in the original post but I found out it’s a 5C).  FreeUP uses the AT&T network.  I did need to pay $4.99 to ship the new free SIM card.

FreeUP Mobile offers a $0.00 monthly (plan).  It’s not so much a plan, as you get 1,000 texts and/or minutes (no data).  I want to go phoneless with the lone exception of emergency circumstances or letting my wife know I’m ok when hiking so this is good for me.

I just got a new number so that anyone that has the old number will not text me and waste my texts.  Only my wife has the new number and we will only use that for emergencies or to let her know I’m ok when I’m hiking (I should note that most of my hiking is in SW Michigan and the signals are all actually quite strong where I hike).  Everyone else in my life will be given my new google voice number.  They can wait to talk to me when I’m back on WiFi.  Honestly, I talk to most of my friends on Facebook so nothing will really change.

In case you’re wonder, my wife still goes in with her parents and brother on an AT&T family plan.  Which is fine with me.  I was part of the plan for a while years ago but like most things in life the price kept rising and I got fed up, as they wanted $30 for my share.  I switched to Ting which was running me $16.  $16 wasn’t breaking the bank for me, but I hardly use my phone.  Hopefully this new plan to get to $0.00 will work out.  I’ll check back in in a few months and let you know how it’s going.

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Re: Using a smartphone without a service provider
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2019, 12:33:25 PM »
OK, UPDATE:

I went with FreeUP Mobile.  I looked into Tello but my wife’s old iPhone 5C wasn’t compatible.  (I said 6 in the original post but I found out it’s a 5C).  FreeUP uses the AT&T network.  I did need to pay $4.99 to ship the new free SIM card.

FreeUP Mobile offers a $0.00 monthly (plan).  It’s not so much a plan, as you get 1,000 texts and/or minutes (no data).  I want to go phoneless with the lone exception of emergency circumstances or letting my wife know I’m ok when hiking so this is good for me.

I just got a new number so that anyone that has the old number will not text me and waste my texts.  Only my wife has the new number and we will only use that for emergencies or to let her know I’m ok when I’m hiking (I should note that most of my hiking is in SW Michigan and the signals are all actually quite strong where I hike).  Everyone else in my life will be given my new google voice number.  They can wait to talk to me when I’m back on WiFi.  Honestly, I talk to most of my friends on Facebook so nothing will really change.

In case you’re wonder, my wife still goes in with her parents and brother on an AT&T family plan.  Which is fine with me.  I was part of the plan for a while years ago but like most things in life the price kept rising and I got fed up, as they wanted $30 for my share.  I switched to Ting which was running me $16.  $16 wasn’t breaking the bank for me, but I hardly use my phone.  Hopefully this new plan to get to $0.00 will work out.  I’ll check back in in a few months and let you know how it’s going.

This sounds really cool.

I'm interested to hear your feedback after being on it for a while. If service is good, it sounds like a better value than my $3/month TMo plan.