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Uncomfortable Conversation at Work
« on: March 01, 2016, 04:15:09 PM »
Today I had a strangely uncomfortable conversation at work. It is a small company and I'm a part-time temporary contract worker. I've known several of the folks there for years and we're all friends or at least very friendly do-workers. Because I am very part-time, I get the lowest salary there. Everyone knows what I make and what DH makes at his job (it is very low since we are starting over with new careers so he is working his way up from the bottom).

So, one of the ladies for some reason asked me about SNAP benefits, I guess assuming that with our low income for a family of four we were getting some assistance. I told her that I didn't have any information since we didn't qualify. There was a long, uncomfortable silence so I explained that our state uses non-retirement savings in their calculations. The awkward silence stretched out for a bit again before they each started saying that they didn't have any savings. A couple don't have any retirement either. I read articles occasionally that say that a significant portion of the population couldn't cover a $1000 emergency but it was still shocking to hear this from friends and co-workers (my age to about 15 years younger). They all insist that savings is not possible for them because...(insert a large variety of reasons here). They eat lunch out most days plus bring fast food for breakfast pretty often.

I'm really glad we saved up enough to try for a career change and be able to keep our family going while taking a large reduction in income. I'm glad we have avoided needing benefits, not because I think there is any shame in needing help but because they should go to folks who need the help more than we do. It would've been better to have discovered MMM a decade before there was a MMM so maybe DH would have been on board with my "obsession" with savings (DH at one point years ago defined any reason to not spend 100%+ of income as "obsessive savings"). But as it is, we have been able to jettison careers we were burnt out on and start working our way back up. It is sobering to find out that a significant number of our friends really are one job loss away from financial disaster.

Hopefully we can rebuild our income back up to a reasonable level in a relatively short time frame. This time DH is all in for MMM levels of saving. I'm happy that we have a bit of a buffer, a modest retirement account and the potential someday to maybe even be FI. At the same time, I'm sad and concerned that my long term friends are living so close to the edge (and company is struggling and may end up going under).

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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2016, 04:36:40 PM »
Cheers, but too bad about your colleagues.

Someone asked me recently how I managed to pay of the house so soon - I said mainly by not spending much.

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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2016, 04:56:07 PM »
Your coworkers are a good reminder of how close most people live to the edge. I'm glad you and your husband made better choices.

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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2016, 05:01:46 PM »
Your coworkers are a good reminder of how close most people live to the edge. I'm glad you and your husband made better choices.

This. It is one of those experiences in life that makes you feel fortunate for choosing the path you're on.

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2016, 05:02:01 PM »
That is really sad. My ex and I were always frugal from the time we got married young. Everyone we knew was so everyone had savings but not a ton of fancy things. Everyone had old homes/cars, etc.  WE all lived on one income and  the sky did not fall if that person got laid-off. WE had $ to survive the challenges. It is amazing how much things change in 40 years:))  Now many we know have fancy stuff and no $. It really makes you wonder why things changed so much in a generation.

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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2016, 05:34:07 PM »
That is really sad. My ex and I were always frugal from the time we got married young. Everyone we knew was so everyone had savings but not a ton of fancy things. Everyone had old homes/cars, etc.  WE all lived on one income and  the sky did not fall if that person got laid-off. WE had $ to survive the challenges. It is amazing how much things change in 40 years:))  Now many we know have fancy stuff and no $. It really makes you wonder why things changed so much in a generation.

In very broad terms, it is normal for generations to have very different attitudes towards their future because of the experiences specific to their time period.  In the US those that grew up in the depression and world war 2 era tend to be more conservative because of what they had to go through, where as the baby boomer generation grew up in an expanding economy and had pensions to take care of them once they retired.  Gen X grew up seeing their parents spend freely and retire with pensions, unfortunately the entered the job market were layoff and the disappearance of pensions were the norm.  So their expectations of the future did not align with what was actually going on at the time.  So on and so forth with Gen Y and millennials. 

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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2016, 05:38:34 PM »
WE are baby boomers (61) and so were our friends. we did not expect to have the nice stuff our parents had when we were in our 20's. We were frugal and lived within our means.  Everyone we knew did. Now everyone is traveling, owns their homes, etc.

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2016, 05:48:38 PM »
WE are baby boomers (61) and so were our friends. we did not expect to have the nice stuff our parents had when we were in our 20's. We were frugal and lived within our means.  Everyone we knew did. Now everyone is traveling, owns their homes, etc.
But that would make your parents "the greatest generation". And I bet you have some memories of their lean years, when you were young? That generation really had to work for things and they are not really spenders so you probably took some lessons from their book. But when you get down to the the Xers and millennials, they (myself included because I am an X) have pretty much grown up with everything- even if it was paid for by debt. Most of my frugal muscles are from watching my grandparents success and hearing stories about "when they started out".

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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2016, 06:03:22 PM »
So true.  I'm a GenXer, but my parents were young and poor (just starting out) when they had kids.  My sister and I count it among the greatest gifts from our parents that we watched them work hard and save and make decisions about priorities.  They used to say, "we all grew up together."  We're both super-frugal adults who value free time WAY more than money, even though as we got to be teens and young adults, my parents hit their career strides and acted like spendypants yuppies for a while.

Most of my friends had parents 10 yrs older, who had waited until they were more financially secure to have kids.  Completely understandable, and common, but it left many of my peers without an understanding of what it had taken to get to that level of wealth; they just assumed it would always be there for them too.

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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2016, 06:37:14 PM »
Your coworkers are a good reminder of how close most people live to the edge. I'm glad you and your husband made better choices.

This. It is one of those experiences in life that makes you feel fortunate for choosing the path you're on.

Definitely! I generally rate our current progress and situation as inadequate but I'm very glad I chose to save enough to weather some down times. It seems like we are doing so poorly and have made tons of bad choices (really probably only a few) but it definitely could be much worse. And our current income is so bad apparently a lot of people we know think that we would have to be on assistance to survive.

We are also GenX. I was raised by parents of modest means and had grandparents who farmed through the Depression and war years. We grew our own, fixed it or did without and didn't keep up with anyone. DH was raised by boomers who's parents were well off. Our money styles for a long time directly reflected our families of origin. Our current downturn has brought DH around to my way of thinking. The stories from my grandparents are still very motivating, especially my grandma who raised eight kids, took care of her invalid MIL, did everything by hand, grew their food, and worked part time in the family business. She was one tough character and had a great attitude. When I get to feeling too sorry for myself, it's a good reality check and kick in the pants. The greatest generation indeed.

I guess another silver lining is that our kids whole lives have been during contracting incomes, several downsizing layoffs and a lot of belt tightening. And we waited until we were "financially secure" to have kids. It didn't work out the way we had planned but it might end up being better for them. They are learning to save up and pay for it and budget and watching their parents take available jobs and change careers. And we are putting in a lot of hard work in front of them to hopefully get our business fully working. I hadn't really thought of it as a benefit to them to set their expectations. Our oldest was old enough to know that dad's job that brought in money ending meant money was temporarily not coming into the house. She was a bit worried about it until we explained about savings and emergency funds. They know that money isn't unlimited but that we planned for lean times and have enough to take care of all of us for quite awhile.

I'm, surprisingly, finding a number of reasons to be positive about our current mediocre circumstances today. :-)

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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2016, 08:16:18 PM »
Wow, sounds like you're doing a great job with teaching your kids about money that they're aware of things like that.

And it's great that you and your husband are on the same page with finances.  That's a huge advantage for the two of you!

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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2016, 06:54:33 AM »
I'm, surprisingly, finding a number of reasons to be positive about our current mediocre circumstances today. :-)

I love this thread even though I feel sad for your co-workers. I just love that through living frugally you can feel positive about where you are today! 

My parents immigrated to Canada from E. Europe in the early 60's.  As my parents say in the old country you had no choice but to be frugal because there usually wasn't enough to go around there.  They've hung on to their frugal ways.  I am a late babyboomer and happened to be a huge money waster until I found this website.  I'm really happy that I came around to a more sensible attitude towards money.

Who knows, maybe the conversation you had with your co-workers will get 1 or 2 of them thinking about how they manage their money.

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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2016, 08:47:50 AM »
Cheers, but too bad about your colleagues.

Someone asked me recently how I managed to pay of the house so soon - I said mainly by not spending much.

lol, I was having a conversation with a good friend yesterday and he said "A little known way to pay off your credit cards fast!  its called stop buying shit"

It's funny how well that works. :P

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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2016, 09:08:56 AM »
Yeah, it always is awkward. It's, unfortunately, nigh impossible to talk to most people about money. People, in general, hate receiving any kind of advice, recommendations, etc. beyond "oh yeah, I sympathize with how hard it is not to piss away every penny I get."

That said, sometimes there are exceptions!

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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2016, 09:58:25 AM »
lol, I was having a conversation with a good friend yesterday and he said "A little known way to pay off your credit cards fast!  its called stop buying shit"

It's funny how well that works. :P

Woah, woah... simple advice?  I don't know how to take that.

Can you sell me a few books, maybe an audiobook, and a couple conference tickets to tell me the same thing?

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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2016, 10:04:01 AM »
Reminds me of a few years ago when I had a tag sticking out of my top and my co-worker said, "Let me fix your tag ... Miss Chico's.  I can't afford to shop at Chico's."  I then told her that my top had come from the 80% off rack in the back of the store.  A couple of days later, this same co-worker mentioned that she was going to be taking a cruise.  Hmmmmm..........

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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2016, 11:42:35 AM »
WE are baby boomers (61) and so were our friends. we did not expect to have the nice stuff our parents had when we were in our 20's. We were frugal and lived within our means.  Everyone we knew did. Now everyone is traveling, owns their homes, etc.
But that would make your parents "the greatest generation". And I bet you have some memories of their lean years, when you were young? That generation really had to work for things and they are not really spenders so you probably took some lessons from their book. But when you get down to the the Xers and millennials, they (myself included because I am an X) have pretty much grown up with everything- even if it was paid for by debt. Most of my frugal muscles are from watching my grandparents success and hearing stories about "when they started out".
My parents were born in 1926 and 1944.  I'm an X-er.  Neither of my parents were boomers.

So, maybe it's just being rural and the age of my parents, but I didn't grow up with "everything", and I'd say that the majority of my friends didn't either.  I can only really think of one friend (maybe 2) who grew up vacationing and eating out regularly.

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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2016, 11:50:17 AM »
Reminds me of a few years ago when I had a tag sticking out of my top and my co-worker said, "Let me fix your tag ... Miss Chico's.  I can't afford to shop at Chico's."  I then told her that my top had come from the 80% off rack in the back of the store.  A couple of days later, this same co-worker mentioned that she was going to be taking a cruise.  Hmmmmm..........

I get that every now and then at work.  I'm the senior officer in my shop so occasionally I'll get a mention about "the big bucks" I make, but then that same soldier mentions their giant pickup truck or shiny new Mustang they use for commuting.  Thankfully I get some backup from the senior NCO in the shop who drives a Honda. 

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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2016, 01:10:29 PM »
I don't think you need to explain your financial life to work colleagues. I don't say anything about my finances unless asked for advice.

 I work in an office where everyone except me buys coffees and lunches at work and whinges about how tough life is. They are all about 10 - 15 years older than me. I drink water & bring my own lunch and travel overseas every year without using credit.
 Once I was asked how can you afford to travel? I just said I work hard and save my money. Theres no need to justify or explain my money choices to them.

There is only one person at work who I talk money with and that is our handyman. He's officially the lowest paid person in the company and he had investments for retirement and also takes his family overseas on a holiday every two years. People wonder how he does it too. dont explain, don't justify.

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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2016, 02:51:08 PM »
Your coworkers are a good reminder of how close most people live to the edge.

It's interesting isn't it. I'm a fair way from FIRE but I already am starting to feel that we have stealth wealth.

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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2016, 04:15:27 PM »
Your coworkers are a good reminder of how close most people live to the edge.

It's interesting isn't it. I'm a fair way from FIRE but I already am starting to feel that we have stealth wealth.

Same here. Just having a year's emergency fund feels like something I want to hide from people.

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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2016, 04:18:38 PM »
Your coworkers are a good reminder of how close most people live to the edge.

It's interesting isn't it. I'm a fair way from FIRE but I already am starting to feel that we have stealth wealth.

Same here. Just having a year's emergency fund feels like something I want to hide from people.

It's bizarre isn't it. It's not really that much money but relatively it appears a lot.

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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2016, 05:37:37 PM »
Your coworkers are a good reminder of how close most people live to the edge.

It's interesting isn't it. I'm a fair way from FIRE but I already am starting to feel that we have stealth wealth.

Same here. Just having a year's emergency fund feels like something I want to hide from people.

It's bizarre isn't it. It's not really that much money but relatively it appears a lot.

Totally bizarre. I haven't even brought up that level of Mustachianism at work because everyone flipped out when it became known that I've paid off my student loans, while a coworker who's decades ahead of me still has his (and works 3x the hours I do).

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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2016, 02:25:24 PM »
I don't think you need to explain your financial life to work colleagues. I don't say anything about my finances unless asked for advice.

The awkward part was that in this case it was the result of someone asking for advice about SNAP benefits. I started with, "um, yeah, I don't know." They then followed up with asking how that was possible so I explained. Nobody is freaked out or anything but it weirded me out a little that they assume we're destitute. And that savings appears to be a foreign concept. Due to the nature of the company and associated paperwork, everyone pretty much knows everyone else's salary. Nobody thinks anything about it that I am aware of at least.

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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2016, 06:49:39 PM »
It is surprising how people make assumptions, everyone who sees our clothes lines always comments, "Oh, I haven't seen one of these in years". They consider us poor indeed, no dryer is practically unheard of. Hey, people - newsflash - this is Florida, the sunshine state.

Mongoose, I get how tough it is when you are making a fresh start - KUDOS. It may well be, like someone else mentioned that you have influenced someone to at least look at the possibility of saving money - especially, if it is a small town and it looks like this place maybe going out of business in the foreseeable future.

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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2016, 10:16:55 PM »
They all insist that savings is not possible for them because...(insert a large variety of reasons here). They eat lunch out most days plus bring fast food for breakfast pretty often.

This. It drives me nuts. I just had this discussion with my awesome boss/friend today. His rent is increasing, and he pays his mom's rent, which also recently increased, and now he & his wife are talking about trying to buy a place closer to work because he has to drive 45-60 minutes each way to work. I gently mentioned Mustachianism (we've talked about it before, briefly), and he said, "Yeah, investing extra money is a great idea, but you have to have extra money to invest."

I managed not to say, "Or you can cut back expenses to free up some money." He sometimes brings lunch and sometimes buys it, and he's always buying new tech toys, games, etc.

I also managed not to say, "We have no more income than you've had. We've had many years of $20k income, $40k income, between us." Because that would have been both defensive and pointless.

To be fair, I have trouble passing by a plate of donuts without grabbing one, so maybe different people have different irresistible temptations. It just bugs me because I want him (and my other cash-strapped coworkers) to be financially secure and happy, and instead, they're struggling.

Spouse & I are not quite FI yet, but depending on a few factors, we're probably 1-5 years away. We could easily weather a job loss, which means I have FU money, which means I put up with no crap at work, which means I am far happier than my coworkers who are terrified of losing their jobs. I remember living that way. I couldn't go back.

I wish I could help more people bring a higher level of ease and comfort to their lives. But just saying that makes me feel like some weird religious evangelist. "Have you heard the good word?"

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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2016, 01:04:26 AM »
I wish I could help more people bring a higher level of ease and comfort to their lives. But just saying that makes me feel like some weird religious evangelist. "Have you heard the good word?"

Very much this. I have a smart colleague who is basically in every aspect (age, kids, income etc.) in the same situation as me. We have quite open relationship so it wasn't hard for me to bring up frugality topic.

Turns out I couldn't get my point through in any way. He just didn't see the point in it. A few months after our discussion he has done two expensive holiday trips with his family and bought a new car. Saddens me a bit.

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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2016, 05:42:57 AM »

There is only one person at work who I talk money with and that is our handyman. He's officially the lowest paid person in the company and he had investments for retirement and also takes his family overseas on a holiday every two years. People wonder how he does it too. dont explain, don't justify.

This reminds me of my husband.  He started a commercial cleaning business in 1999 after spending 20 years in management in airline catering and taking a buyout when they downsized.  He had one company he cleaned 3 times a week and he talked a lot to the people who worked there who were mostly engineers.  But, of course, he was the janitor so they assumed he had no money.  He pulled up one day in his 67 GTO and freaked out a lot of people!  At that point in our lives after frugal living, we could have bought and sold anyone there!

We laughed a lot about that!

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« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2016, 06:36:56 AM »
I wish I could help more people bring a higher level of ease and comfort to their lives. But just saying that makes me feel like some weird religious evangelist. "Have you heard the good word?"

I like the way you put this "ease and comfort".  I feel the same way and wish that there was a way that I could spread the word.   My life has improved so much by being able to save 35-40% of my pay every month and it wasn't very difficult to do.

So hard to talk about money with other people.  The only people I can talk about money honestly with are my parents, my husband and one close friend. 

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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2016, 08:34:49 AM »
What really kills me is that spouse & I aren't really even that Mustachian. MMM talks about living just slightly less ridiculously than the average, and I read his blog and think, "Dude, that's way more than slightly less ridiculously." But spouse & I really are just slightly less ridiculous, in that we a) don't carry debt besides mortgage and haven't for more than 20 years, b) only buy things we can actually afford, and c) don't spend every penny we bring in. But we do spend frivolously on stuff, all the time; we just don't spend money before paying ourselves (savings/retirement) and paying our necessary bills.

I can't tell if the problem is that math is scary for people, that money is scary for people, or that they feel threatened and rebellious at the idea of not being able to buy everything they "deserve." What I deserve is freedom from financial stress if I can work my way there; that's my focus. When I see my friends moaning about money and then whipping out their new iPads, I just want to smack those toys out of their hands and smack them upside the head.

Maybe spouse & I have just been lucky, in both non-spendy temperaments and a comfort level with math.

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« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2016, 08:41:12 AM »
@Redmond Stash - I am basically the same as you.  I've always paid myself first but since I found this website the amount I pay myself has tripled and this is what made the difference for me.

I'm not sure what the problem is either.  But I know with my spouse he never had any good financial examples to learn from (other than me :) )  The whole concept of "I deserve it" is such B.S. marketing and yet I think this one gets lots of people. 

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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2016, 09:02:21 AM »
I'm not sure what the problem is either.  But I know with my spouse he never had any good financial examples to learn from (other than me :) )  The whole concept of "I deserve it" is such B.S. marketing and yet I think this one gets lots of people.

I think you're right. My spouse never had good financial examples or expected to ever be able to retire until I explained and demonstrated how we could actually save and invest enough money to live off. For some people, it just doesn't seem to be a priority or even a belief that it's possible, so hey, YOLO, right? Full speed ahead, and damn the torpedoes.

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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2016, 06:23:07 PM »
I don't get what the root of the problem is either, but I think there's an immaturity about it. An attitude that budgeting and saving, or considering what will happen in the future, is for later, for old people. All the non-savers my age are trying in someway to recapture youth and escape responsibility.   


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« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2016, 06:47:43 PM »
One fascinating thing about the military is that you know exactly what everyone is making.  Of course spousal income varies wildly, but when overseas, almost no spouses work, so it is a very level playing field.  I was driving a 20 year old car that was modest even when it was new, and friends (and DH's peers) would show up in the brand new Mercedes and fully loaded Volvos.  When Stateside, we lived in a 2000sqft townhouse with some dated and low end finishes, while others had 3000sqft+ brand new homes with top of the line everything.  Of course you never know the details of someone's life and maybe there is family money or some windfall or something, but certainly with the vast majority of those people, they can't be affording all that and yet also putting away more than a few % of their income, if that.  Everyone talks about the second career, post military and with that military pension, as though it is a foregone conclusion, when for us, it is a consideration.  I find the whole thing fascinating--the vastly different choices people make with the same income.  But also kind of sad. 

And I see it in my non-military friends as well.  One in particular has a great income, though she'd claim otherwise.  But she seems to be really hurting for money, and my sense is that it is getting worse and worse.  I worry a lot for her and her family.  I think she didn't have the conservative financial role models I did, and that it is all spiraling out of control.  She "deserves" lots of things, and while I think she's a wonderful human being and "deserves" the world, that simply doesn't work if the numbers aren't there.  I feel her stress sometimes, and am so, so grateful not to have that in my life.  I wish she could find that "ease and comfort", but when I've talked around the edges of it all, it's clear she isn't ready.  She truly believes they don't have enough money, and she's not ready to see that the choices are what make that true.  And sometimes I think that when the stress of it all gets to her, she goes out and shops as that gives her an immediate happiness, so it becomes a cycle that feeds itself.  She stresses about money so she shops or spends to feel in control of something and get a moment of pleasure, which makes the money situation worse, with makes her feel unhappy and out of control, which she "treats" by shopping.  Shampoo, rinse, repeat. 

My parents always taught me that carrying a CC balance was unthinkable, and that you simply didn't buy things you couldn't afford to pay for on the day you buy them, except for houses.  DH didn't have that, but thankfully he seemed to simply adopt my financial outlook and we are very much on the same page.  We've never once fought about money, and it's not something we think about at all most days.   

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Re: Uncomfortable Conversation at Work
« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2016, 06:57:07 PM »
I had a similar awkward conversation at work today.  A handful of us were sitting around and a coworker was discussing being able to take time off when his baby is born in the near future.  He will take 2 weeks because that is all the vacation time we have, but was hoping to negotiate a way to take more.  I suggested he ask for unpaid leave for a few weeks (which I thought was an obvious option).

Awkward silence in the room as everyone kind of stared at me.  Another coworker finally said 'What?  If we could afford unpaid leave we wouldn't have jobs!'  And everyone laughed.

I guess I forget that paycheck to paycheck is more common that not.

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Re: Uncomfortable Conversation at Work
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2016, 05:43:53 AM »
A coworker at my new job has three months saved but thinks that is amazing. Time will tell if the are convertible.

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Re: Uncomfortable Conversation at Work
« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2016, 07:13:43 AM »
Friday same coworker was lamenting a car loan, needing to get another car loan to replace SOs car and "a bunch" of student loans in deferment. This isn't a work area with many high paying positions and a contracting field. I just made sympathetic comments that the level of debt would be uncomfortable.

I guess I forget that paycheck to paycheck is more common that not.

This is what confuses me. I can't wrap my brain around that concept and I am not Mustachian either. We have consumer debt and were very spendypants. But I have had at least some savings since I got my first job.

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Re: Uncomfortable Conversation at Work
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2016, 11:09:54 AM »
This is what confuses me. I can't wrap my brain around that concept and I am not Mustachian either. We have consumer debt and were very spendypants. But I have had at least some savings since I got my first job.

Paycheck-to-paycheck is very simple.

The unit of time that matters is the pay period.  Often two weeks.  Sometimes twice a month.

You pay the things you need, and rely on the paycheck showing up on time, every time.

If there's money left over, PARTY.  What else would you do with excess money in your bank account?  That new {TV, car, pair of shoes, vacation, etc} won't buy itsself!  And you've got enough for the down payment!  You deserve it for having spent less this month than your paycheck!

If there's not money left over, bitch, moan, complain, and wait until next payday.