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Re: UK Votes For EU Exit - Stock Markets Around The World Crash
« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2016, 10:38:20 AM »
"Crash" is kind of a strong word. The US markets have only lost about 2.5% so far, and it looks like the UK markets have lost about the same.

Sounds more like the media overhyping it again. By next week I imagine we'll be right back where we were.

U.K. Market suffers also the 10% devaluation of the GBP vs the usd.
Veur (developed europe etf by vanguard Europe) was down 7% today, I managed to get some at the opening when it was down 9%.

I plan to stay the course, but could not resist throwing a piece of the emergency fund in the market.

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« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2016, 10:42:31 AM »
The thing I think is "funniest" is that Britain is gonna be punished financially for this right. So do people really think the voters are going to be like "oh really messed up on that one whoops lol." Or are they going to be angry at the hebraic financiers and their stooges. Hm Hm let me have a think.

This may come as a shock to you, but not all financiers are Jews or the stooges of Jews.
Tell it to the 17.5 million fascists who voted to leave EU

All the brits I know are pro-leave, so I haven't encountered this perspective  I . Could you explain this comment?

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« Reply #52 on: June 24, 2016, 11:02:04 AM »
The thing I think is "funniest" is that Britain is gonna be punished financially for this right. So do people really think the voters are going to be like "oh really messed up on that one whoops lol." Or are they going to be angry at the hebraic financiers and their stooges. Hm Hm let me have a think.

This may come as a shock to you, but not all financiers are Jews or the stooges of Jews.
Tell it to the 17.5 million fascists who voted to leave EU

All the brits I know are pro-leave, so I haven't encountered this perspective  I . Could you explain this comment?

There's a strong racist, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, nationalistic, far-right, and anti-immigrant component to the Brexit crowd (which, not coincidentally, is echoed directly in the US with the pro-Trump constituency). The goal is to "take the country back," as it were, which means just about the same thing on both sides of the Atlantic.

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« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2016, 11:05:13 AM »
The thing I think is "funniest" is that Britain is gonna be punished financially for this right. So do people really think the voters are going to be like "oh really messed up on that one whoops lol." Or are they going to be angry at the hebraic financiers and their stooges. Hm Hm let me have a think.

This may come as a shock to you, but not all financiers are Jews or the stooges of Jews.
Tell it to the 17.5 million fascists who voted to leave EU

All the brits I know are pro-leave, so I haven't encountered this perspective  I . Could you explain this comment?

There's a strong racist, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, nationalistic, far-right, and anti-immigrant component to the Brexit crowd (which, not coincidentally, is echoed directly in the US with the pro-Trump constituency). The goal is to "take the country back," as it were, which means exactly what it does over there as it does over here.

When people don't have anything intelligent to say, the first step is to call anyone who disagrees with them a racist. Calling them a fascist is second and other things follow, depending how many slurs they can articulate.

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Re: UK Votes For EU Exit - Stock Markets Around The World Crash
« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2016, 11:05:29 AM »
Dammit, of course this happens the one month during the year I used up my dry power to get some things fixed around the house.  Grrr.!

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« Reply #55 on: June 24, 2016, 11:12:07 AM »
I think labeling approximately half the population as fascist/bigot/xenophobic etc is VERY stupid.
Sure, all the racists vote the same way, but one might want to try be a little less superficial and start thinking about the other stuff people might be unhappy about.

I'm Italian and I believe it would have been better for the uk to stay in Europe, but I can understand people are unhappy about Europe.

Today it's a giant superstructure that has, among other things, stubbornly imposed austerity and continues to do so in spite of the totally disastrous results and has been completely unable to provide a coordinated response to the refugee crisis.

As I said, I personally believe the Brits would have been better off staying, but the downside I think is not so dramatic as panicked  people tend to believe.

I also tend to believe not all those who disagree with me are fascists.

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Re: UK Votes For EU Exit - Stock Markets Around The World Crash
« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2016, 11:12:43 AM »
 I voted to exit .
 Everyone i know did too.
 I live in the midlands and, oh boy , this was going to happen.
 Sorry about the mess it's made guys but we were done with the whole e.u situation  and nobody in charge gave a shit till this morning .
 
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« Reply #57 on: June 24, 2016, 11:16:16 AM »
I added to several stock positions this morning.   Yeah, love price drops when I have money on hand. 

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« Reply #58 on: June 24, 2016, 11:19:13 AM »
I voted to exit .
 Everyone i know did too.
 I live in the midlands and, oh boy , this was going to happen.
 Sorry about the mess it's made guys but we were done with the whole e.u situation  and nobody in charge gave a shit till this morning .

I'm sure folks in London felt certain of the exact opposite, though. 

I'm in NYC and every Brit I know voted to remain, including (interestingly) my Yorkshire-born 75 year old FIL.  Seems like age and geography were pretty good indicators of how folks would vote.

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« Reply #59 on: June 24, 2016, 11:19:38 AM »
I voted to exit .
 Everyone i know did too.
 I live in the midlands and, oh boy , this was going to happen.
 Sorry about the mess it's made guys but we were done with the whole e.u situation  and nobody in charge gave a shit till this morning .

Quite alright, I'm just happily scavenging stocks. Don't you just love it when big market drops coincide with payday. Have a pint on me!

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« Reply #60 on: June 24, 2016, 11:23:38 AM »
The thing I think is "funniest" is that Britain is gonna be punished financially for this right. So do people really think the voters are going to be like "oh really messed up on that one whoops lol." Or are they going to be angry at the hebraic financiers and their stooges. Hm Hm let me have a think.

This may come as a shock to you, but not all financiers are Jews or the stooges of Jews.
Tell it to the 17.5 million fascists who voted to leave EU

All the brits I know are pro-leave, so I haven't encountered this perspective  I . Could you explain this comment?
Around 1973 the rich countries were forced to abandon the gold standard. This is relevant because the end of the Bretton Woods system marked the beginning of neoliberalism and modern globalization -- I say modern globalization because I'm not sure if even now the %age of global GDP involved in international trade is as high as it was in 1913. As of a few years ago it wasn't. But in the imperialist era a large proportion of global trade was between colonies and metropoles, with the colonial project working principally to extract money (gold) and resources from colonies.

The United States did not abandon the gold standard voluntarily but was forced to by the development of capitalism in West Germany and Japan; the growth of the economies and financial systems in these and other countries caused a persistent outflow of gold-denominated dollars such that by the 70s there were far more dollars than there were gold reserves so the system was already kind of a farce. If the US tried to constrain the supply it would have caused a deflationary crisis. That sort of thing had happened before -- from 1874 there was a period of like 20 years where they couldnt find enough gold to keep up with demand for dollars so the government was just "welp guess there's no more dollars then" and it hurt the economy for 2 decades. But at that time the government was strong enough to do that and there wasn't a way for financiers to like, trade gold for pesos on the open market, pesos for dollars, dollars to gold, gold back to pesos etc. (at least not in like, million-dollar increments), which is the kind of thing that was messing up gold reserves by the 1970s. Remember though that the extraction of money from colonies was the foundation of first worldism and also the foundation of middle-class wealth in the rich countries. For as long as that system persisted the middle classes in the rich countries did generally well.

The transition to fiat currencies enabled the neoliberal project by vastly expanding the power and geography of the financial system. That's sort of the theme of globalization over the recent decades; the rich countries still extract resources and surplus value from poor ones but money can go anywhere in any quantity. So neoliberalism has been good for the transnational elite of poor countries and bad for the working class of rich ones. Weirdly enough all the regular people in rich countries are real salty about it.

The problem is that the xenophobic rightists in the rich countries want to turn back the clock to the imperialist era, which is neither desirable nor possible. The reason I called them fascists is that this is a play we have seen before. It was never going to be possible for the Germans to colonize eastern Europe or for the Japanese to build an empire in East Asia because the development of the productive forces had proceeded too far to bring back the 19th century. Similarly it's not like Britain can go to war and get India back or whatever. But the tension between first worldism and convergence (the rich and poor countries becoming more similar to each other) is one of the primary contradictions of our era and all of these intensifying fights that are increasingly being won by rightists in rich countries go to show that the first worldism and white supremacy are still salient to politics particularly in the vaccuum of doodlysquat left by neoliberalism.

You may have heard the expression "socialism or barbarism"? Rosa Luxemburg's point was that if we don't build transnational communism, we will instead have national chauvinism and race war. That's still true. But thanks to the victory of neoliberalism there is not even a socialist agenda in most of the rich countries -- and even when one exists it is still nationally chauvinist or at least first worldist. So we are set for an inevitably intensifying conflict among rich countries between the fascists and the neoliberals, as well as an inevitably intensifying conflict between the waning first world and the growing power of the third world.

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« Reply #61 on: June 24, 2016, 11:25:46 AM »
My guess is that the fascists will defeat the neoliberals but lose to the poor countries but of course it's only a guess and all I can really hope for is that we don't have an atomic war about it.

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« Reply #62 on: June 24, 2016, 11:30:36 AM »
& its worth pointing out that neoliberalism isn't just a hollow failure in the rich countries; the same tensions exist in the poor ones as well. I'd readily compare the British vote with the election of our boy Rodrigo "warlord" Duterte. Duterte is the sort of desperate move people take when there is no leftist option (because the Philippines spent decades killing all the communists with American help) and it's the exact same rejection of the useless parasite neoliberal monsters who ride around in yachts all day huffing their own farts and reading the economist.

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Re: UK Votes For EU Exit - Stock Markets Around The World Crash
« Reply #63 on: June 24, 2016, 12:00:35 PM »
Referring to the above 3 posts, can someone please comment on examples of fascist agendas, politicians etc, presently?
As far as fascism goes, I thought that has been buried in history. Can someone spread more light on what is being referred to by fascism with recent examples?

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« Reply #64 on: June 24, 2016, 12:06:06 PM »
Referring to the above 3 posts, can someone please comment on examples of fascist agendas, politicians etc, presently?
As far as fascism goes, I thought that has been buried in history. Can someone spread more light on what is being referred to by fascism with recent examples?
Fascism is just nationalism + racial chauvinism. People make things a lot more complicated than they actually are

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« Reply #65 on: June 24, 2016, 12:12:46 PM »
Referring to the above 3 posts, can someone please comment on examples of fascist agendas, politicians etc, presently?
As far as fascism goes, I thought that has been buried in history. Can someone spread more light on what is being referred to by fascism with recent examples?
Fascism is just nationalism + racial chauvinism. People make things a lot more complicated than they actually are

This is why I am misunderstanding what is being referred to in your post. I would say that when speaking of fascism one is referring to a dictatorship, immutable policy, and exercising control over other countries. Are there people lobbying for or taking such a political stance now or in the past few decades?
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« Reply #66 on: June 24, 2016, 12:15:57 PM »
No, it's just the argument of those who cannot accept the fact that majority disagrees with them

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« Reply #67 on: June 24, 2016, 12:16:09 PM »
Referring to the above 3 posts, can someone please comment on examples of fascist agendas, politicians etc, presently?
As far as fascism goes, I thought that has been buried in history. Can someone spread more light on what is being referred to by fascism with recent examples?

There isn't any. In fact, I'd argue that the EU is closer to fascism than the UK "leave" voters.

People just throw out the word fascist to people that disagree with them.

I think the vast majority of people are currently in favor of less government, which is contradictory to fascism.

Side note: Fascism is historically associated with nationalism, but nationalism isn't automatically fascism. It seems like a lot of people want to call Trump a fascist for his nationalistic views, but that's a complete misuse of the term. Edit: And it seems Mr. Dixon just proved my point by calling fascism nationalism plus racism. That's ridiculous and really just using the term fascist as an insult much like socialism/communism during the Cold War.
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« Reply #68 on: June 24, 2016, 12:19:03 PM »
Referring to the above 3 posts, can someone please comment on examples of fascist agendas, politicians etc, presently?
As far as fascism goes, I thought that has been buried in history. Can someone spread more light on what is being referred to by fascism with recent examples?
Fascism is just nationalism + racial chauvinism. People make things a lot more complicated than they actually are

This is why I am misunderstanding what is being referred to in your post. I would say that when speaking of fascism one is referring to a dictatorship, immutable policy, and exercising control over other countries. Is this a thing in 2016?

Nope, not at all. Ffascism is a lot more basic than that. Straight from Wikipedia...

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Nationalism is the main foundation of fascism.[154] The fascist view of a nation is of a single organic entity that binds people together by their ancestry, and is a natural unifying force of people.[155] Fascism seeks to solve economic, political, and social problems by achieving a millenarian national rebirth, exalting the nation or race above all else, and promoting cults of unity, strength, and purity.[32][156][157][158][159] European fascist movements typically espouse a racist conception of non-Europeans being inferior to Europeans.[160] Beyond this, fascists in Europe have not held a unified set of racial views.[160] Historically, most fascists promoted imperialism, although there have been several fascist movements that were uninterested in the pursuit of new imperial ambitions.[160]

A shorthand guide to identifying fascists is to look for anyone talking about taking their country back (via uprisals, military force, or hardline government) from people who, coincidentally, always happen to be of a different religion or skin color.

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« Reply #69 on: June 24, 2016, 12:20:12 PM »
I seriously wonder who is actually going to be the one to submit the article 50 notice to the EU and start the process.  Nothing has actually changed yet, although the EU clearly now wants the UK out asap.  It seems like Cameron has no interest in pulling the plug.  Nigel is already backpedalling on his promises.  Maybe Johnson?

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« Reply #70 on: June 24, 2016, 12:22:43 PM »
^ Cameron has already resigned; he's washing his hands of this sickness. Johnson is definitely the favorite Trump card.

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« Reply #71 on: June 24, 2016, 12:23:24 PM »
This is why I am misunderstanding what is being referred to in your post. I would say that when speaking of fascism one is referring to a dictatorship, immutable policy, and exercising control over other countries. Is this a thing in 2016?
Those are traits of historical fascist governments but they also describe all kinds of other governments & its best to conceive of fascism as an ideology because as wise old Karl once said "all history heretofore is the history of class conflict." The big bourgeoisie in the rich countries and the comprador bourgeoisie in the poor ones have been winning for 45 years but the times are a-changin'. The biggest problem is that the working class in rich countries is not on the same side as the working class in poor ones (and hasn't really ever been). First world wealth depends upon imperialism and white supremacy which is why we keep voting for: imperalism and white supremacy. Again people make things a lot more complicated than they are.

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« Reply #72 on: June 24, 2016, 12:24:43 PM »
^ Cameron has already resigned; he's washing his hands of this sickness. Johnson is definitely the favorite Trump card.

Yeah but isn't he staying in for 2-3 months?  That means no one will pull the plug until september?  I actually don't know who who has authority to submit, I assumed it was just Cameron or his successor.

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« Reply #73 on: June 24, 2016, 12:53:55 PM »
My boss bought $25K in puts on British banks 2 days ago.  I think they closed out the position this morning and made several hundred thousand dollars.  I wish I would have gone in with them.

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« Reply #74 on: June 24, 2016, 12:57:24 PM »
Apparently there was no verbiage in the referendum legislation requiring Parliament to actually go through with it. That's a bit of an oversight. If this were America, there would already be a coterie of politicians trying to weasel out of it.

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« Reply #75 on: June 24, 2016, 01:12:58 PM »
Referring to the above 3 posts, can someone please comment on examples of fascist agendas, politicians etc, presently?
As far as fascism goes, I thought that has been buried in history. Can someone spread more light on what is being referred to by fascism with recent examples?
Fascism is just nationalism + racial chauvinism. People make things a lot more complicated than they actually are

This is why I am misunderstanding what is being referred to in your post. I would say that when speaking of fascism one is referring to a dictatorship, immutable policy, and exercising control over other countries. Are there people lobbying for or taking such a political stance now or in the past few decades?

Not really in the West, at least.  People like to exaggerate and call anyone they don't like a "fascist" and anyone who disagrees with them on foreign policy a "racist".  They've basically made the words meaningless by being melodramatic.  (i.e., Every dumb political Facebook meme in out there.)

As for this "crash" the media loves so much--since when is 2-10% on completely different international markets a "world crash", for God's sakes?  (More exaggeration!  Seems to be the society we now live in.)

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« Reply #76 on: June 24, 2016, 01:26:27 PM »
I love it when stocks go on sale.

This isn't even really a sale. I was expecting a 10%+ drop. 2% is basically just shedding the gains from a week and a half ago.

In one day??  Jesus man, give it time.  You don't want people jumping from windows, do you?

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« Reply #77 on: June 24, 2016, 01:41:18 PM »
I should check the news more often. I literally heard about this at lunchtime. Shows how in the loop I am.

My investments are actually all up. I'm in mutual funds (USIFX, USAUX, UVALX, USIBX, and my Roth IRA is a USCRX) and all except the USIBX went up today.

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« Reply #78 on: June 24, 2016, 01:50:57 PM »
I should check the news more often. I literally heard about this at lunchtime. Shows how in the loop I am.

My investments are actually all up. I'm in mutual funds (USIFX, USAUX, UVALX, USIBX, and my Roth IRA is a USCRX) and all except the USIBX went up today.
Mutual funds are priced at market close.  Check back tomorrow.

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« Reply #79 on: June 24, 2016, 01:51:46 PM »
I should check the news more often. I literally heard about this at lunchtime. Shows how in the loop I am.

My investments are actually all up. I'm in mutual funds (USIFX, USAUX, UVALX, USIBX, and my Roth IRA is a USCRX) and all except the USIBX went up today.
Mutual funds are priced at market close.  Check back tomorrow.
If you don't believe me, look at VTSAX (mutual fund) and VTI (ETF of same fund).

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« Reply #80 on: June 24, 2016, 02:19:59 PM »
I love it when stocks go on sale.

This isn't even really a sale. I was expecting a 10%+ drop. 2% is basically just shedding the gains from a week and a half ago.

In one day??  Jesus man, give it time.  You don't want people jumping from windows, do you?

Yeah, a 10% drop in the Dow Jones would be the fifth largest percentage drop of all time...

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« Reply #81 on: June 24, 2016, 02:25:03 PM »
So, I'm a dumbass. I was planning to buy VTIAX today at around 3:30 or so, but got busy doing other stuff and missed the close. I hope it goes lower Monday instead of bouncing. : (

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« Reply #82 on: June 24, 2016, 02:37:45 PM »
I should check the news more often. I literally heard about this at lunchtime. Shows how in the loop I am.

My investments are actually all up. I'm in mutual funds (USIFX, USAUX, UVALX, USIBX, and my Roth IRA is a USCRX) and all except the USIBX went up today.
Mutual funds are priced at market close.  Check back tomorrow.

Oh. Well, that explains that then.

I e-mailed USAA and asked if there was some thing I should buy while this madness is going on. They said they'd get back to me on Monday. There is still a chance I can profit from the chaos spreading across both sides of the Atlantic.

I really, really wish I had a top hat and monocle.

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« Reply #83 on: June 24, 2016, 04:29:19 PM »
For those looking at international politics affecting the stock markets - do note that Spain has a general election on Sunday.  Might add to the mix.  :)

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« Reply #84 on: June 24, 2016, 04:32:59 PM »
By next Friday 7/1 the Dow will be back at 18000 and the S&P will be back at 2100, mark my words.

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« Reply #85 on: June 24, 2016, 04:41:16 PM »
By next Friday 7/1 the Dow will be back at 18000 and the S&P will be back at 2100, mark my words.

Wanna bet a $1?

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« Reply #86 on: June 24, 2016, 04:43:27 PM »
One of the biggest takeaways from this vote is the foreshadowing of what may well happen here in the fall. The "Leave" group used fear of immigrants/immigration, presented themselves as representing the "little guy" who  had been left behind. Mmm, who in this country in talking about immigration, and acting the part of a working class hero? This vote was a shock. Not many projected that "Leave" would win. I think a lot of voters did not want to publicly say they supported the Leave campaign, because they would be called racists. When the time came to vote, they showed their colors. Similarly, in the US, I think a lot of people are embarrassed to admit in public that they will vote for Trump, but when the time comes, they will vote for Trump in the fall. I think the polling numbers for Trump may be artificially low, and we are in for a very close contest in November.

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« Reply #87 on: June 24, 2016, 07:50:35 PM »
I love it when stocks go on sale.

The S&P 500 was 2,100 12 months ago.  Guess what it was yesterday?  2,100.

Maybe individual stocks (esp UK banks) can be considered on sale but really stocks are mostly flat.  This adage is way overused, it's like Macy's "sales" that happen every other week.

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« Reply #88 on: June 24, 2016, 08:12:41 PM »
^ Cameron has already resigned; he's washing his hands of this sickness. Johnson is definitely the favorite Trump card.

Yeah but isn't he staying in for 2-3 months?  That means no one will pull the plug until september?  I actually don't know who who has authority to submit, I assumed it was just Cameron or his successor.

Yes, that's my impression. We'll just have to wait and see, I suppose. There's also talk now of Scotland revoting on whether to seek independence from the UK.

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« Reply #89 on: June 24, 2016, 10:56:50 PM »
^ Cameron has already resigned; he's washing his hands of this sickness. Johnson is definitely the favorite Trump card.
Since he was born in New York (and presumably has a birth certificate) you chaps don't feel like taking him do you?

Compared to Trump he doesn't look quite so bad does he ?

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« Reply #90 on: June 24, 2016, 11:23:02 PM »
Yes, that's my impression. We'll just have to wait and see, I suppose. There's also talk now of Scotland revoting on whether to seek independence from the UK.

Which is the height of political irony. I guess Scotland doesn't like having another political group deciding things for them?

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« Reply #91 on: June 25, 2016, 05:56:29 AM »
Referring to the above 3 posts, can someone please comment on examples of fascist agendas, politicians etc, presently?
As far as fascism goes, I thought that has been buried in history. Can someone spread more light on what is being referred to by fascism with recent examples?
Fascism is just nationalism + racial chauvinism. People make things a lot more complicated than they actually are

This is why I am misunderstanding what is being referred to in your post. I would say that when speaking of fascism one is referring to a dictatorship, immutable policy, and exercising control over other countries. Are there people lobbying for or taking such a political stance now or in the past few decades?

I wouldn't lose too much sleep over this. It sounds like Dixon is a radical communist who refers to anyone to the right of him as fascist.

Anywho, like I said earlier, all the (very pleasant, kind, non - fascist ) Brits I know we're pro-leave. So I was expecting the Brexit to happen. But I didn't expect markets to react like this. Still, props to the Brits for going where their principles lead them, even though that road is the harder one.

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« Reply #92 on: June 25, 2016, 06:09:59 AM »
Stop trying to time the market.

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« Reply #93 on: June 25, 2016, 10:40:51 AM »
One of the biggest takeaways from this vote is the foreshadowing of what may well happen here in the fall. The "Leave" group used fear of immigrants/immigration, presented themselves as representing the "little guy" who  had been left behind. Mmm, who in this country in talking about immigration, and acting the part of a working class hero? This vote was a shock. Not many projected that "Leave" would win. I think a lot of voters did not want to publicly say they supported the Leave campaign, because they would be called racists. When the time came to vote, they showed their colors. Similarly, in the US, I think a lot of people are embarrassed to admit in public that they will vote for Trump, but when the time comes, they will vote for Trump in the fall. I think the polling numbers for Trump may be artificially low, and we are in for a very close contest in November.

Could be--but I was also thinking that it was fortunate this vote came before the US election as I think there are people who are tempted to "protest vote" against Hillary Clinton but don't really want a Trump Presidency. A good reminder that votes count--if you want to protest, hold up a sign! There was also a silent vote for Hillary Clinton--a lot of women in particular were not inclined to publicly announce their preference because the rhetoric this election has been so vicious, but made a point of voting. I think this is going to be a really hard election to predict because a lot of people are voting in ways they won't discuss in public. I know a lot of Republicans who dislike Hillary, but hate Trump.

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« Reply #94 on: June 25, 2016, 01:42:02 PM »
Came here to vent - I made the mistake of reading a couple of articles in the NTY.  It's sickening how blatantly biased they are on this issue (and the media in general).  Even after the votes have been counted, the stories they come up with are about how awful it is going to be, stories about the youth crying all day, blaming the old (basically calling them racist), etc.

Right?  I thought it was a good example of democracy at work.  Many people had issues with the whole foreign policy--not just immigration for God's sakes.  ...Weird EU rules like farmers not being able to sell their food by the side of the road, the legal curvature and color a banana had to be, and other nonsense like that.  It's bullshit for many of the countries.  I was talking to Romanians who said their country makes cars, but they legally have to export them all to France and then re-export them back to Romania in order to buy them.  Thus the car costs twice as much even though it was made a few miles away.  Bureaucracy at its finest!  The "little guys" in that country also want to quit the EU even though they're poor. 
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« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2016, 02:09:00 PM »
I was kind of on the fence about the whole Brexit thing.  Once I saw all the hand-wringing and name calling by the losing side, I felt better.

My favorite quote on the topic was from Dennis Miller: "I hope Great Britain is able to survive without Greece."

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« Reply #96 on: June 25, 2016, 02:38:35 PM »
This is a classic market overreaction.  Buy FXB.  I did yesterday morning,  it tracks the value of the pound.  It will be stronger  in 6 - 12 months than it is now.  Much stronger, most likely.

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« Reply #97 on: June 25, 2016, 03:14:53 PM »
Right?  I thought it was a good example of democracy at work.  Many people had issues with the whole foreign policy--not just immigration for God's sakes.  ...Weird EU rules like farmers not being able to sell their food by the side of the road, the legal curvature and color a banana had to be, and other nonsense like that.  It's bullshit for many of the countries.  I was talking to Romanians who said their country makes cars, but they legally have to export them all to France and then re-export them back to Romania in order to buy them.  Thus the car costs twice as much even though it was made a few miles away.  Bureaucracy at its finest!  The "little guys" in that country also want to quit the EU even though they're poor.

That bit about Romania and exports isn't true... although it's a very common misperception/misunderstanding in both Romania and Bulgaria. Neither, apparently, is the bit about Farmer's Produce, unless all of the EU east of Germany observes it only entirely in the breach. The side-of-the-road cheese and potatoes are the best kinds. :)

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« Reply #98 on: June 25, 2016, 04:35:43 PM »
But it must be true - someone on the internet said a bloke down the pub read it in the Daily Mail

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« Reply #99 on: June 25, 2016, 04:49:23 PM »
Following.