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Toyota Stealership for Repair
« on: April 19, 2016, 09:04:56 AM »
My daughter took her Corolla into the dealership for a mechanical issue.  Two days later and they have no idea what is wrong with it.  They want $300 to start taking shit apart to try and figure it out.  I said no way, we will have someone else look at it.  Now, the dealership wants money for the diagnostics and time spent on it.  They said they have about an hour into it. 

Is this fair?

If I'm paying for diagnostics shouldn't I have a diagnosis? 


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Re: Toyota Stealership for Repair
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2016, 09:13:23 AM »
Yes, it took time and effort to try to diagnose the car. Usually the diagnostic fee is waived if they repair your car. Getting uppity and saying you will take it somewhere else means there is no way they will waive the fee.

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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2016, 09:21:12 AM »
So, you took your car in and then the dealership started looking at it.  They determined that it was going to be a bit more involved to find the problem and contacted you to let you know that there would be a charge associated with this.

You're upset with them because . . . ?

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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2016, 09:51:02 AM »
So, you took your car in and then the dealership started looking at it.  They determined that it was going to be a bit more involved to find the problem and contacted you to let you know that there would be a charge associated with this.

You're upset with them because . . . ?
(basically) This.
How 'fair' it is depends on what you/she signed when you/she handed over the keys.

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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2016, 09:59:45 AM »
Is this fair?

If I'm paying for diagnostics shouldn't I have a diagnosis?

Short answers based on that minimal data:

- Yes

- They've given you the option of continuing what might be an expensive diagnostic process.  Some diagnostics are easy.  Others you have to eliminate all other potential issues first which can get very pricy.

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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2016, 10:14:35 AM »
My daughter took her Corolla into the dealership for a mechanical issue.  Two days later and they have no idea what is wrong with it.  They want $300 to start taking shit apart to try and figure it out.  I said no way, we will have someone else look at it.  Now, the dealership wants money for the diagnostics and time spent on it.  They said they have about an hour into it. 

Is this fair?

If I'm paying for diagnostics shouldn't I have a diagnosis?

What you are describing is standard mechanic stuff. They charge X per hour and usually a flat fee for diagnostics.

The diagnostic charge is sometimes waived if you get the repair done by them. This is to stop me from bringing a car in, finding out what is wrong and then fixing it myself.

Just pay them and be done with it...

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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2016, 10:18:29 AM »
So, you took your car in and then the dealership started looking at it.  They determined that it was going to be a bit more involved to find the problem and contacted you to let you know that there would be a charge associated with this.

You're upset with them because . . . ?

I would be upset.

"Hi, Dealership? My car is broken, can you fix it?"

"Let me take a look at it....hmmmm....we don't know what's wrong with it."

"That's weird, I guess I don't want you working on it."

"HEY! Give us money for telling you we don't know what's wrong!"

I don't expect to pay for any other service that doesn't do what is more or less promised-- I would be upset if a restaurant if it turned out they didn't know how to cook the food they have advertised and then wanted to charge me for the cook's time.

That being said, I bet the OP signed some paperwork authorizing some amount of labour/work, and is more than likely legally obligated to pay. The best course of action is probably to pay the "stupid tax" and never darken the stealership's doors again, and be more wary about signing documents like "I promise to pay for whatever work you do regarding my car".

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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2016, 10:58:07 AM »
"We can't do it" is totally different than "it is going to take more time/effort than originally thought".

If a company called me asking me to build them a software app, and I said "OK, I will look into what is necessary to get it done. My fee is $X per hour", and they agreed, and then after sketching out a plan, the company said "that is going to take too long, we are going with someone else", I would absolutely charge them for the hours I already spent. No one works for free, especially for uppity customers who blatantly advertise they are taking their business elsewhere.

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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2016, 10:59:48 AM »
I didn't sign anything.  I sign the papers to allow them to fix it once they give me an estimate.  I have a verbal estimate of $300 to start "tearing shit apart".  I said no thanks to that estimate.

I would be happy to pay if they had given me anything at all.  They told me three codes that spit out and said "we aren't sure what they mean and the tech guys couldn't tell either". 

I also never said I would take it elsewhere.  I said "I'll drive it around to see if I can get more information." After they said it wasn't really doing anything in the morning when the drove it and it acted up later yesterday afternoon. 

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Re: Toyota Stealership for Repair
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2016, 11:53:11 AM »
My daughter took her Corolla into the dealership for a mechanical issue.  Two days later and they have no idea what is wrong with it.  They want $300 to start taking shit apart to try and figure it out.  I said no way, we will have someone else look at it.  Now, the dealership wants money for the diagnostics and time spent on it.  They said they have about an hour into it. 

Is this fair?

If I'm paying for diagnostics shouldn't I have a diagnosis?

What was the mechanical issue?  Medical and automotive diagnosis is usually process of elimination (which is why both practices sometimes do test).

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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2016, 12:17:59 PM »
I didn't sign anything.  I sign the papers to allow them to fix it once they give me an estimate.  I have a verbal estimate of $300 to start "tearing shit apart".  I said no thanks to that estimate.

I guarantee SOMETHING was signed when you handed over the keys.  No dealership will touch a car without authorization.  A diagnostic fee of $50-150 is reasonable and not uncommon, and usually credited back as part of the repair if you elect to have it done. 

I'd be interested in the failure mode.

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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2016, 12:59:13 PM »
I signed the paper allowing them to look at the car and right on the paperwork it says "a written or verbal estimate will be given prior to any repairs". 

Anyway, the issue is that at around 45 mph the car warning lights for ABS will start blinking, the dash lights will blink and the power steering goes out.  If you pull over and shut the car off, you can restart it and the problem goes away temporarily. 

I googled some of the auto forums and some ideas were alternator, electrical problem, battery, etc. 

Also, while on the phone the service manager told me he thought it might be a wiring harness, ignition coil etc.  I told him that I thought they replaced the harness in the past.  he looked it up and said "We  did NOT replace the harness.  We REPAIRED it."  I didn't get a warm and fuzzy after that comment.  We repaired it but it could be screwed up again, but not my fault because maybe it needed replaced??? 

I get that it is a process of elimination a lot of times.  But, to talk to me and say he was going to "tear shit apart" didn't make me feel confident.  He kept saying "I don't know what it is". 

My daughter took it there two years ago when it was acting up and they wanted to replace all 4 tires for $800.  She was going to pay it but she had to borrow the money from me.  When she called to ask I about fell out of my chair.  It's a Corolla...I can get tires for 50 bucks each and oh by the way, those tires were still under warranty.  She had the tires replaced at Sam's Club and the issue didn't go away.  We later found out it was the ECM.   She earns $300 every two weeks.  To repair the ECM was $300. Had she paid $800 for tires and then the car still wouldn't run right would have been DEVASTATING to her. 

I'm sure I'll just pay the fee and spread the word about the dealership service department.  I'm not one to create waves in person but I'll do what I can to warn others. 




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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2016, 02:05:46 PM »
I signed the paper allowing them to look at the car and right on the paperwork it says "a written or verbal estimate will be given prior to any repairs". 

Is there a prominent sign in the dealership telling you about a diagnostic fee?  Most service areas have them.

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Anyway, the issue is that at around 45 mph the car warning lights for ABS will start blinking, the dash lights will blink and the power steering goes out.  If you pull over and shut the car off, you can restart it and the problem goes away temporarily. 

I googled some of the auto forums and some ideas were alternator, electrical problem, battery, etc.
 

I suspected it was electrical.  These faults are notoriously hard to diagnose, and yes, I'm not surprised they want more money to go through and individually check a lot of components. 

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Also, while on the phone the service manager told me he thought it might be a wiring harness, ignition coil etc.  I told him that I thought they replaced the harness in the past.  he looked it up and said "We  did NOT replace the harness.  We REPAIRED it."  I didn't get a warm and fuzzy after that comment.  We repaired it but it could be screwed up again, but not my fault because maybe it needed replaced???

Well, there is a fairly big distinction.

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I get that it is a process of elimination a lot of times.  But, to talk to me and say he was going to "tear shit apart" didn't make me feel confident.  He kept saying "I don't know what it is". 

He probably doesn't.  Can't really fault him?

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My daughter took it there two years ago when it was acting up and they wanted to replace all 4 tires for $800.  She was going to pay it but she had to borrow the money from me.  When she called to ask I about fell out of my chair.  It's a Corolla...I can get tires for 50 bucks each and oh by the way, those tires were still under warranty.  She had the tires replaced at Sam's Club and the issue didn't go away.  We later found out it was the ECM.   She earns $300 every two weeks.  To repair the ECM was $300. Had she paid $800 for tires and then the car still wouldn't run right would have been DEVASTATING to her.

That is unfortunate, however A) you should never buy tires from a dealer, they're always known to be marked up, B) they generally use high-quality (and cost) rubber, whatever you bought for $50/tire at Sams was not.  I guarantee it unless it was some kind of smoking sale.  And by evidence that Sams replaced them, the tires DID need to be replaced, otherwise Sams wouldn't have done so at their cost, guaranteed.  $200/corner installed is high, but not scandalously so.  I'd expect OEM tires to be ~$150/corner, and other non-OEM quality rubber to be $100-120, and mounting/balancing should be $20-30/corner.  They weren't ridiculously off. 

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I'm sure I'll just pay the fee and spread the word about the dealership service department.  I'm not one to create waves in person but I'll do what I can to warn others.

I get that he's not inspiring confidence, but you're not coming across as totally reasonable in your rant either.  No one is going to be able to diagnose an electrical problem right away, and they're not going to quote you a price until they know the problem.  And they're going to spend man hours finding the problem, which they are going to want to be paid for.  None of that is entirely unreasonable.  It will be more gold-plated at a dealership, you'll save some money at an independent, but you'll have the same fundamental issue at a slightly lower hourly rate.

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Re: Toyota Stealership for Repair
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2016, 02:25:53 PM »
No one is going to be able to diagnose an electrical problem right away, and they're not going to quote you a price until they know the problem. 

What if the problem isn't electrical?  he didn't check the battery and he didn't check the alternator.  Those are things I will check. 

And the tires were not the problem with the car shaking violently at 60mph.  Replacing those tires did NOTHING to fix the original problem which surfaced again when the new tires were on the car and we went 60mph.  Sam's gave us 50% off the price of the tires because they were 50% used and I had the quote from the dealership specifying the tires were making the car shake.  The check engine light was on but they didn't run the codes because there was a picture in front of the light and they didn't see it.  I let it go at the time, people make mistakes.  My daughter could have moved the picture of her boyfriend so the guys could see the check engine light.  I take partial blame.  But come on, shouldn't they check?

Maybe I'm not being reasonable to expect confidence/competence from a mechanic that charges 100 an hour.  But, I am.  I will pay what they believe their  diagnostic tests and test drives of the car are worth.  But, I will warn who I can and leave a nasty comment on the website.  Well, just cause.  They screwed me on the tire diagnostic two years ago.  If it weren't for my diligence, we would be out an additional 800 bucks. 




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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2016, 03:08:13 PM »
In my experience, most mechanics have a hard time with electrical problems.   ABS control is electrical.   Is your daughter's PS electrical or hydraulic?

if you can find a mechanic good at diagnosing and fixing electrical faults then keep track of him.

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Re: Toyota Stealership for Repair
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2016, 05:25:18 PM »
So, you took your car in and then the dealership started looking at it.  They determined that it was going to be a bit more involved to find the problem and contacted you to let you know that there would be a charge associated with this.

You're upset with them because . . . ?

I would be upset.

"Hi, Dealership? My car is broken, can you fix it?"

"Let me take a look at it....hmmmm....we don't know what's wrong with it."

"That's weird, I guess I don't want you working on it."

"HEY! Give us money for telling you we don't know what's wrong!"

I don't expect to pay for any other service that doesn't do what is more or less promised-- I would be upset if a restaurant if it turned out they didn't know how to cook the food they have advertised and then wanted to charge me for the cook's time.

That being said, I bet the OP signed some paperwork authorizing some amount of labour/work, and is more than likely legally obligated to pay. The best course of action is probably to pay the "stupid tax" and never darken the stealership's doors again, and be more wary about signing documents like "I promise to pay for whatever work you do regarding my car".

Every single time I go to a repair type of place I always ask and make sure I understand how much it would cost (if anything) to get an initial estimate/etc.


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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2016, 07:07:20 PM »
So, you took your car in and then the dealership started looking at it.  They determined that it was going to be a bit more involved to find the problem and contacted you to let you know that there would be a charge associated with this.

You're upset with them because . . . ?

I would be upset.

"Hi, Dealership? My car is broken, can you fix it?"

"Let me take a look at it....hmmmm....we don't know what's wrong with it."

"That's weird, I guess I don't want you working on it."

"HEY! Give us money for telling you we don't know what's wrong!"

I don't expect to pay for any other service that doesn't do what is more or less promised-- I would be upset if a restaurant if it turned out they didn't know how to cook the food they have advertised and then wanted to charge me for the cook's time.

That being said, I bet the OP signed some paperwork authorizing some amount of labour/work, and is more than likely legally obligated to pay. The best course of action is probably to pay the "stupid tax" and never darken the stealership's doors again, and be more wary about signing documents like "I promise to pay for whatever work you do regarding my car".

Every single time I go to a repair type of place I always ask and make sure I understand how much it would cost (if anything) to get an initial estimate/etc.

I do too. Usually a shop has a standard rate for diagnostic work. This should have been stated by the dealership and signed off on by the OP. Apparently, neither happened [due to some lack of communication on someone's part] and now both parties have been left with unmet expectations.

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I signed the paper allowing them to look at the car and right on the paperwork it says "a written or verbal estimate will be given prior to any repairs".

What else did the paper say, though? Sometimes there's fine print somewhere allowing them to do "stuff" and then charge you for it.

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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2016, 05:25:09 AM »
So, you took your car in and then the dealership started looking at it.  They determined that it was going to be a bit more involved to find the problem and contacted you to let you know that there would be a charge associated with this.

You're upset with them because . . . ?

I would be upset.

"Hi, Dealership? My car is broken, can you fix it?"

"Let me take a look at it....hmmmm....we don't know what's wrong with it."

"That's weird, I guess I don't want you working on it."

"HEY! Give us money for telling you we don't know what's wrong!"

I don't expect to pay for any other service that doesn't do what is more or less promised--


Sometimes, in the world of highly complex vehicles, you are going to end up down a rabbit hole where you end up spending a significant sum of money, to solve a very obscure, and difficult to diagnose, issue. I have a buddy who specializes in drivability issues, and problems that other shops and mechanics cannot resolve. He and his employer own an extensive amount of equipment, tools, hardware and software that are specific to problem solving. His work day can involve test driving a vehicle with magnetic microphones attached to various locations on the suspension, while tracking a mystery "thunk" that other shops were throwing new parts at , repeatedly, but failed to fix. He could also be bench testing an electronic component, while watching it's performance on an oscilloscope, to see if it's still within design values. He could be working through a list of solutions, ranked by probability of events, and provided by a data service, based on data they continually harvest from the field, as vehicles age and fail. He might have your car hooked to a scanner that is proprietary to the manufacturer. This scanner is nothing but a useless brick unless you spent a thousand a year to pay the licensing and update charges. He is often tracking down issues from previous damage, everything from water intrusion, to repairs done by incompetent collision repair shops.

Fixing an issue might include spending time on a manufacturer's hotline, researching online, or consulting several subscription only data bases that cost over a grand a month to keep updated. It might include hours of removing/ reinstalling unrelated components and systems to access an issue that takes a few minutes and a $10 part to fix. There are often times where, after an hour or two of digging, he asks the owner of the shop to call the customer to tell them that he has ruled out the obvious stuff, all the easy answers, and most of the more difficult ones, without discovering the problem. The billing is now at two hours, and they want permission to continue?

This is the reality of modern vehicles. Generally, the better brand ones are reliable as an anvil, if they are maintained, and not abused. In many cases getting charged for NOT resolving an issue can be a difficult thing to wrap your head around, but that doesn't mean that it's not legitimate, or that's it's OK to decide that you have been ripped off, when you are actually paying for a legitimate service.

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Re: Toyota Stealership for Repair
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2016, 07:17:42 AM »
What you are describing is standard mechanic stuff. They charge X per hour and usually a flat fee for diagnostics.

The diagnostic charge is sometimes waived if you get the repair done by them. This is to stop me from bringing a car in, finding out what is wrong and then fixing it myself.
It does NOT stop you from bringing your car in to find out what is wrong and then fixing it yourself.  You just have to pay for the service (and equipment used) of diagnostics.  Which is sometimes money well spent.

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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2016, 09:02:23 AM »
I signed the paper allowing them to look at the car and right on the paperwork it says "a written or verbal estimate will be given prior to any repairs". 

Anyway, the issue is that at around 45 mph the car warning lights for ABS will start blinking, the dash lights will blink and the power steering goes out.  If you pull over and shut the car off, you can restart it and the problem goes away temporarily. 

I googled some of the auto forums and some ideas were alternator, electrical problem, battery, etc. 

Also, while on the phone the service manager told me he thought it might be a wiring harness, ignition coil etc.  I told him that I thought they replaced the harness in the past.  he looked it up and said "We  did NOT replace the harness.  We REPAIRED it."  I didn't get a warm and fuzzy after that comment.  We repaired it but it could be screwed up again, but not my fault because maybe it needed replaced??? 

I get that it is a process of elimination a lot of times.  But, to talk to me and say he was going to "tear shit apart" didn't make me feel confident.  He kept saying "I don't know what it is". 

My daughter took it there two years ago when it was acting up and they wanted to replace all 4 tires for $800.  She was going to pay it but she had to borrow the money from me.  When she called to ask I about fell out of my chair.  It's a Corolla...I can get tires for 50 bucks each and oh by the way, those tires were still under warranty.  She had the tires replaced at Sam's Club and the issue didn't go away.  We later found out it was the ECM.   She earns $300 every two weeks.  To repair the ECM was $300. Had she paid $800 for tires and then the car still wouldn't run right would have been DEVASTATING to her. 

I'm sure I'll just pay the fee and spread the word about the dealership service department.  I'm not one to create waves in person but I'll do what I can to warn others.

What year is the car?  Ignition coil...WTF?  Almost certainly the car has direct ignition system and the symptoms would be very tell-tale if that was the issue (misfire on that cylinder).  Those symptoms are very different from what you describe.  I assume the car has electric assist power steering.

If I had to guess, it is related to the alternator such as worn brushes which only causes issues at speed and it explains why there are multiple seemingly unrelated electrical issues.  I would also check connections to the battery/alternator and of course that wiring harness that they "repaired".  Then again they might have checked all that and you should take any car repair advice from a guy on a finance form with a grain of salt.  Personally, I would see if I could hook up a Bluetooth obd tool and see if you can watch the battery voltage at speed to see if it drops down (14 volts from the alternator down to the battery voltage of about 12V at speed) using an app like Torque.  Again, take all car repair advice from forums for what they are worth.

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Re: Toyota Stealership for Repair
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2016, 09:32:18 AM »
What you described (dashboard lights blinking, power steering going out, etc.) sounds like the same thing that happened to my 2004 Honda Civic. Took it to the Honda dealership and turns out it was the battery harness; battery corrosion on one of the terminals had eaten through it. Cost $700 to replace. :/

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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2016, 09:35:28 AM »
BTW-Next time you have an issue like that you can take it to autozone or some other car parts store and get them to read the codes for free. This often saves you these types of issues. However you should pay them for their time spent doing diagnostics and chalk it up to a lesson learned.

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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2016, 09:54:24 AM »
The symptoms described (blinking dash lights, electrical [I assume] power steering going out) sounds like a intermittent short or open somewhere in the harness. Worn brushes on the alternator would not likely cause that as the electrical equipment should still work fine off of just battery voltage, and you would get a charge light on the dash. The fact that it only happens at speed is not surprising as intermittent shorts/opens often only show up under vibration consitions. Not an easy thing to diagnose, but if the harness has been previously repaired that's a good place to start.

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Re: Toyota Stealership for Repair
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2016, 11:31:24 AM »
What you are describing is standard mechanic stuff. They charge X per hour and usually a flat fee for diagnostics.

The diagnostic charge is sometimes waived if you get the repair done by them. This is to stop me from bringing a car in, finding out what is wrong and then fixing it myself.
It does NOT stop you from bringing your car in to find out what is wrong and then fixing it yourself.  You just have to pay for the service (and equipment used) of diagnostics.  Which is sometimes money well spent.

Right, I meant that. It stops me from taking 3 hours of their time for free. You can have them do the diag, and then pay them for that, and then take your car and fix it.

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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2016, 11:38:19 AM »
I didn't sign anything.  I sign the papers to allow them to fix it once they give me an estimate.  I have a verbal estimate of $300 to start "tearing shit apart".  I said no thanks to that estimate.

I guarantee SOMETHING was signed when you handed over the keys.  No dealership will touch a car without authorization.  A diagnostic fee of $50-150 is reasonable and not uncommon, and usually credited back as part of the repair if you elect to have it done. 

I'd be interested in the failure mode.

I've never signed something when I drop my car off at the dealership.  I sign it when they decide what work they are going to do.  There is generally a verbal contract of "we're just going to do an oil change and run some tests"

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Re: Toyota Stealership for Repair
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2016, 01:16:44 PM »
I read a lot of vehicle narratives at work and intermittent issues like this usually have a huge list of replaced parts before the problem actually gets fixed. Even if the fix seems simple based on the codes, it might not be. I just read one today where the same modules was replaced three times over three month and the issue wasn't fixed even thought the DTC pointed to that sensor being the problem. Electrical issues and harness issues cause headaches all around for diagnostics. Unrelated symptoms like this add even more confusion (I had an idea of one thing that could be wrong up until I read the power steering went out).

Also, I would much rather have a harness repaired than replaced if possible. Replacing a harness is a nightmare.

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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2016, 01:47:50 PM »
What you described (dashboard lights blinking, power steering going out, etc.) sounds like the same thing that happened to my 2004 Honda Civic. Took it to the Honda dealership and turns out it was the battery harness; battery corrosion on one of the terminals had eaten through it. Cost $700 to replace. :/

Holy crap, how did the bill get to that amount?!?!?!

A battery harness is like mechanic 101 in terms of complexity to replace and diagnose. It's also a very very cheap part.

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« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2016, 01:56:42 PM »
Your first mistake was taking it to the dealership for repair.  Pay them and consider it cost of education.

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Re: Toyota Stealership for Repair
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2016, 02:58:22 PM »
What you described (dashboard lights blinking, power steering going out, etc.) sounds like the same thing that happened to my 2004 Honda Civic. Took it to the Honda dealership and turns out it was the battery harness; battery corrosion on one of the terminals had eaten through it. Cost $700 to replace. :/

Holy crap, how did the bill get to that amount?!?!?!

A battery harness is like mechanic 101 in terms of complexity to replace and diagnose. It's also a very very cheap part.

Not surprising in the least. I had the factory taillight bulb sockets melt on a Chevy Tahoe, due to the previous owner installing some ghetto bullshit aftermarket taillights. The dealer quoted $500 for the harness (parts only) and swore that the socket was unavailable anywhere. A few minutes doing the Google and I had a pair of OEM replacements inbound, for $12 bucks. Had I dropped the truck at the Chevy dealer, I could easily imagine an $800-900 bill to fix a twelve dollar problem.

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Re: Toyota Stealership for Repair
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2016, 08:07:12 PM »
find an independent shop that you trust and then avoid the dealership at all costs.