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The real reason SUVs are popular
« on: April 17, 2018, 04:33:38 PM »
It's a giant prisoner's dilemma. Bigger, heavier cars are safer—there is no disputing this fact. http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/vehicle-size-and-weight/qanda#vehicle-size-and-weight

Thus, we would be collectively better off if everyone, or at least +90% of folks, drove smaller cars. But it's individually more rational to drive the SUV. If you picture the classic prisoner's dilemma  decision quadrant, "both cars" is in the upper left hand corner, whereas "both SUVs" is in the lower right hand corner.

As soon as a large enough chunk of the population drives SUVs, you are risking your safety by not driving one.

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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2018, 04:55:17 PM »
In the words of MMM "safety is an expensive illusion."  Google tells me there are 1.18 fatalities per 100 million vehicle miles traveled.   To look at it another way, there were about 30,000 yearly traffic fatalities in the US, out of a population of 325,000,000.   

You are very unlikely to die in a car crash.  It is only rational to drive an SUV if you think the additional safety is worth the additional costs.  Since the additional costs are high, and the amount of additional safety is low, it isn't very rational from that standpoint.  Although how much extra safety is worth is very subjective. 

The real reason SUVs are popular is that they are big and comfortable.   

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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2018, 05:08:47 PM »
But large families are uncommon now. https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/1099800/average-size-of-a-us-family-from-1850-to-the-present/amp/. A supermajority of commuters drive solo. http://m.startribune.com/the-drive-more-of-us-are-driving-to-work-solo/231370801/. And the front seats of SUVs differ little from those of cars.

So why would "big and comfy" be the reason?

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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2018, 06:10:26 PM »
And they're a bit of a status symbol. If I had a dollar for every time someone slightly jabbed me about my Ford Focus....Grrrr.

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2018, 06:53:01 PM »
But large families are uncommon now. https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/1099800/average-size-of-a-us-family-from-1850-to-the-present/amp/. A supermajority of commuters drive solo. http://m.startribune.com/the-drive-more-of-us-are-driving-to-work-solo/231370801/. And the front seats of SUVs differ little from those of cars.

So why would "big and comfy" be the reason?

Because people like big and comfy. 

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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2018, 10:08:13 PM »
Big and comfy is definitely a thing. I have a friend who drives a very large older sedan, the kind my parents jokingly would've called a boat. He likes it because "it feels like driving a couch." My small Prius gets way better gas mileage and can actually haul more things due to the hatchback/folding back seat. He's jealous about that. But it's not as comfy! That is important to him... even though his commute is short.

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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2018, 10:45:21 PM »
And they're a bit of a status symbol. If I had a dollar for every time someone slightly jabbed me about my Ford Focus....Grrrr.

Ahh, get back in your housewife runaround! ;)

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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2018, 04:50:59 AM »
I drive a small economy car in full football gear.  It is the perfect compromise. 

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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2018, 05:30:41 AM »
I think many "reasons" are actually rationalizations. I think the real reason is a combination of not wanting to be less than the neighbors and the association that a big car means big/successful/strong person. And there is a whole industry that makes billions off this so it is well promoted.

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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2018, 05:39:23 AM »
My reason is I can’t pull my boat with a Prius...and it’s super comfy : )

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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2018, 05:45:39 AM »
You'd be surprised what fear can lead a person to do. All things equal, a lot of people tend to prefer larger vehicles simply out of fear that they might get into an accident.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone contend that large 1970's-1980's cars are safer than today's because they're bigger.

The other day an unfortunate accident occurred on a Southwest flight - an engine failure blew out a window which drew a passenger partially out of the plane. The plane landed safely but the woman passed away from her injuries. The last time someone passed away on a US commercial flight was 2009 and yet how much do you want to bet there's going to be a dip in ticket sales over the next few weeks? Fear is strong.

The other argument that I hear countless times - "I Hate driving small cars/sedans because I like being higher up on the road". My mom, wife, aunts, etc. all have cited this exact reason as why they like larger cars.

But you know the REAL reason?

From a performance and fuel economy standpoint, CUV's (not SUV's) are a wash when compared to their sedan or hatch counterparts (not comparing a Prius to a CR-V, comparing an Accord to a CR-V). So, for a couple thousand more you get generally more interior room, more safety features (aka the perception of safety), an appearance of keeping up with the times, and more residual value. Who's not going to love that?



Disclaimer: I am the (mostly) proud owner of a CUV - a 2014 CX-5. We drive when we travel and have yet to meet a sedan or hatch that can fit the tall stuff in the back while allowing us to have two carseats. The headroom is also practically mandatory to allow my wife to climb in the back and calm a screaming infant.

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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2018, 06:03:59 AM »
Minivans are way more useful than SUVs unless you need large towing capacity or significant off road ability. No idea why minivans are “uncool” but I love my “swagger wagon”.

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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2018, 06:17:59 AM »
I'm 6'4 driving a tiny car is not comfortable.  When i was a teenager if my parents hadnt had a mini van i would have been uncomfortable- many people have replaced mini vans with SUVs.  why well they look much better and dont have a stigma around them for those who care what other people think

I drive an SUV but its a Ford Escape hybrid i get 30-40 MPGs commuting to work.  I've owned smaller cars and frequently travel for work and rent cars - i dont fit in a chevy sonic i ask for a larger car when they give it to me.  I personally as I get older and my knees show the wear from years of basketball and extreme watersports dont like to get up out of a car that sits low to the ground i almost have to roll out.  So big and comfy doesnt really have to do with the number of people in the car but can have everything to do with the size of the person.

Now i'm above avg height by quite a bit so this doesnt explain it for all but its why i choose to drive an SUV.

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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2018, 06:41:11 AM »
Personally I am terrified of SUVs. I have been in rollover accidents more than once (in SUVs) and I just don't like the feeling of driving or riding in one.

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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2018, 06:56:15 AM »
I drive a small SUV (over 30mpg) because I’m 6’3 and way more comfortable. I don’t think it has to be all or nothing. There’s a medium ground between larger car and smaller SUV that can be the best of both worlds.

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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2018, 07:15:58 AM »
In the words of MMM "safety is an expensive illusion."  Google tells me there are 1.18 fatalities per 100 million vehicle miles traveled.   To look at it another way, there were about 30,000 yearly traffic fatalities in the US, out of a population of 325,000,000.   

You are very unlikely to die in a car crash.  It is only rational to drive an SUV if you think the additional safety is worth the additional costs.  Since the additional costs are high, and the amount of additional safety is low, it isn't very rational from that standpoint.  Although how much extra safety is worth is very subjective. 

The real reason SUVs are popular is that they are big and comfortable.

I do not drive an SUV nor do I want to.  However, fatalities is not the only safety barometer.  People want to walk away from accidents not just say they survived (but now have multiple internal injuries and a broken arm, etc).  But no, I agree that SUVs are not the only or safest option.

I'm all about being comfortable and stylish in my motorized recliner. 

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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2018, 07:23:36 AM »
We are actually some of the people that drive one due to family size.
We have a suburban with a front bench seat to hold us and our 7 youngest.  Since DH and our older boys hunt, the SUV is nice for the 4 wheeling that happens on hunts too.
Our two college kids drive our civic, which will be sold once they graduate from college. Since they are paying all their tuition/books/rent/food, we continued covering their car/insurance.

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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2018, 07:58:44 AM »
I thought I had the real reason for driving an SUV down, thanks for clarifying. ;)

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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2018, 08:24:50 AM »
I think many "reasons" are actually rationalizations. I think the real reason is a combination of not wanting to be less than the neighbors and the association that a big car means big/successful/strong person. And there is a whole industry that makes billions off this so it is well promoted.

That's part of it, but I think people on here are underestimating how useful SUVs are when you actually need them.  For many (most?) people that have them, they place too much importance on some of the features considering you rarely they get used, but they are nice to have.  We have always had one SUV just because we've always needed something for towing, but they are nice on trips.  Many a family trip we have had the entire cargo area completely full, and neither a car nor a minivan would have "worked " (obviously we probably could have done a better job of planning/prioritizing). 

Now with the exception of people needing towing capacity, people using SUVs instead of minivans are I think almost entirely driven by the stigma around minivans, which I sort of get for men; I don't understand why a lot of mothers I know are adamant that they won't drive a minivan, while also needing a vehicle that can seat seven.   

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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2018, 08:57:26 AM »
TheHusbandHalf and I had 2 vehicles for most of our marriage, until the accident 10 years ago. We were in an F150, which was demolished, and it was replaced by a truck in the car lot, a used Lincoln pick up (can't remember the rest of the name.) We used my van as a trade in.

I would be dead if we had been in a lower, or smaller vehicle. We have worked hard all 37 years of our marriage to be able to afford a higher, safer vehicle, so we will. It's not a status thing (like the rest of our lives, if someone knew us they'd know how ridiculous that idea is)

My husband is 6' 2" and I'm 5' 4", so we're going to have to really search for a vehicle that we both feel comfortable driving. It took us awhile to find an elliptical that we both felt comfortable using, we have already started with vehicles because we know it's going to take a long time. You see, I don't drive his truck, except maybe once a month 6 miles down the road and back to keep in practice, but I plan on driving the new vehicle.

I don't like pickups because when I turn around, I like what I see to be the end of the vehicle. He is willing to not have a truck.

We have always had a Ford pickup, always, and do use it. We still have a few trees to pull down. We pulled things, trailers, logsplitters, etc, but I don't think
we'll have much need for pulling anything but trees in the future.

Hearing about the woman on the Southwest flight almost sucked out of the plane reinforces my "I will never fly" way of thinking. We drove from Ohio, to San Francisco, up to Portland and back about 15 years ago, enjoyed it immensely, so when he retires in January, have plans to do similar road trips. We have flown to HA twice, and once to Alaska, so that's enough flying. The places we want to go now, we want to see the land from eye level, not the air.
We have lived long enough, frugally enough, to have a vehicle that we can do this in comfort.

If someone thinks we'll be trying to keep up with someone, or increase our status, they can be wrong, we don't care. We have not gotten where we are to do ANYTHING to impress someone else or worry about what someone else thinks of us.

There are winters (recent) where we want something that will do well in the snow. We live in a small town, out if the middle of rural nowhere, and at the edge of the county that is the last place to get plowed. Some roads have 12' deep drainage ditches on one side and people with vehicles that can do so, go around and pull out smaller vehicles that have slid into one. It's just something we do around here.

TheHusbandHalf, even as a retiree, gets charged the dealer's cost at Ford because of an agreement his employer has with Ford. There are other vehicle companies that do the same. I'm sure that will limit our choices, but oh well, as long as we know the limits going in, we'll adjust.
Lincoln is on the list so we are seriously looking at them, on paper only. Some time we will visit the dealer to see them in person.

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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2018, 09:17:30 AM »
You'd be surprised what fear can lead a person to do. All things equal, a lot of people tend to prefer larger vehicles simply out of fear that they might get into an accident.

So, I wait until the car passes before I cross the road, because of what might happen if I don't wait. In fact, most little kids are taught the same. Because of what might happen. Some of us have the ability to anticipate what could happen. We use it.


I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone contend that large 1970's-1980's cars are safer than today's because they're bigger.

The other day an unfortunate accident occurred on a Southwest flight - an engine failure blew out a window which drew a passenger partially out of the plane. The plane landed safely but the woman passed away from her injuries. The last time someone passed away on a US commercial flight was 2009 and yet how much do you want to bet there's going to be a dip in ticket sales over the next few weeks? Fear is strong.

Yep, and smart people gauge the risk, and choose whether it's worth it to them. Same thing with cars.



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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2018, 09:28:38 AM »
"I Hate driving small cars/sedans because I like being higher up on the road". My mom, wife, aunts, etc. all have cited this exact reason as why they like larger cars.

Hey, that's a valid reason!  I drive a very small car, and when I go to an ATM or car wash or similar, I have to put the car in park, unbuckle my seatbelt, stand up and lean out the window from the waist to reach the buttons!  Not that that's a thing I need to do frequently, and so I put up with it, but it is very annoying, and I imagine unsafe if you're in unsafe parts of town?

ETA: not to mention how many times I've gotten stuck on unplowed roads because the snow is higher than the bottom of my car :(
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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2018, 10:37:11 AM »
Minivans are way more useful than SUVs unless you need large towing capacity or significant off road ability. No idea why minivans are “uncool” but I love my “swagger wagon”.

+1 - You can also fit WAY more luggage/junk than a SUV

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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2018, 10:46:41 AM »
TheHusbandHalf and I had 2 vehicles for most of our marriage, until the accident 10 years ago. We were in an F150, which was demolished, and it was replaced by a truck in the car lot, a used Lincoln pick up (can't remember the rest of the name.) We used my van as a trade in.

I would be dead if we had been in a lower, or smaller vehicle. We have worked hard all 37 years of our marriage to be able to afford a higher, safer vehicle, so we will. It's not a status thing (like the rest of our lives, if someone knew us they'd know how ridiculous that idea is)

I can give the opposite antecdata...   My husband would be dead if he got hit by an SUV instead of a large car.  The car that hit him (he was biking through a green light; they were turning left through a flashing yellow) was a small car and he bounced off her hood.  An SUV he would have gone under it.

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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2018, 11:11:27 AM »
To me, the opposite would be us in a minivan (the other driver) and them in an F150.
I don't understand how a motorized vehicle of any type vs a bike is the opposite.
Regardless, thank goodness your husband is alive!

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« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2018, 12:01:06 PM »
But large families are uncommon now. https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/1099800/average-size-of-a-us-family-from-1850-to-the-present/amp/. A supermajority of commuters drive solo. http://m.startribune.com/the-drive-more-of-us-are-driving-to-work-solo/231370801/. And the front seats of SUVs differ little from those of cars.

So why would "big and comfy" be the reason?

Because people like big and comfy.
And people are getting bigger.

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« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2018, 01:01:36 PM »
I'm really not a fan of SUV's.   Big as a full size truck but lacking the main thing you need on a truck .... the bed.
I drive a full size four door pickup.   Room for five comfortably, plus I can still pull a boat and have the bed full of gear.

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« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2018, 02:20:26 PM »
TheHusbandHalf and I had 2 vehicles for most of our marriage, until the accident 10 years ago. We were in an F150, which was demolished, and it was replaced by a truck in the car lot, a used Lincoln pick up (can't remember the rest of the name.) We used my van as a trade in.

I would be dead if we had been in a lower, or smaller vehicle. We have worked hard all 37 years of our marriage to be able to afford a higher, safer vehicle, so we will. It's not a status thing (like the rest of our lives, if someone knew us they'd know how ridiculous that idea is)

I can give the opposite antecdata...   My husband would be dead if he got hit by an SUV instead of a large car.  The car that hit him (he was biking through a green light; they were turning left through a flashing yellow) was a small car and he bounced off her hood.  An SUV he would have gone under it.

As you acknowledged this is anecdotal but it does bring up another good point. If everyone goes bigger to protect themselves from the other big vehicles, pedestrians and cyclists get the short end. Going bigger isn't an option for them.

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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2018, 02:34:12 PM »
I own an SUV and I doubt I will ever purchase anything else again.

I bought my SUV when I was planning on buying a house. It was going to have to be that or a trunk, which I didn't want. I prefer my stuff to be enclosed. But I also took my SUV on some amazing road and camping trips. Some of my favorite times of my life. Having owned 3 Mustangs, I can say I had more fun in my Explorer than all these Mustangs combined, including the one I named The Beast. I actually sometimes wish I had bought the Expedition.

But just a month ago I needed a new overhead Microwave, and ran to Lowes to buy it. The box was massive. No way it would have fit in any kind of sedan or smart car. Yeah I guess having it delivered is an option, but I don't have the patience for that.

And buying wood, other big tools, I just don't see another option.

So I love SUVs, and my next car will probably be another Explorer.

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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2018, 02:37:02 PM »
I thought I had the real reason for driving an SUV down, thanks for clarifying. ;)

me too ;)


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« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2018, 02:49:53 PM »
I thought I had the real reason for driving an SUV down, thanks for clarifying. ;)

me too ;)

Congratulations on owning an SUV and using it off-road conditions for which it was designed.

Now can you also acknowledge that the criticisms here are not directed towards you?

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« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2018, 04:03:52 PM »
Happy to see another offroader here! I love taking my kids out to remote spots, discovering old logging and mining equipment, building fires, playing in streams and generally learning outdoor skills. I might use my tow hitch now and then too. :D

I know that most of the criticisms in this thread aren't directed people doing SUV things in SUVs. I do think that a lot of assumptions get made on this forum though. Some on target and some off base. Just because MMM wrote an article about how every problem can be solved by either a fit with a thule bullet on top or a flatbed work truck doesn't mean in the real world a family might not have many uses for an SUV.

As many have mentioned 7 person seating, much better storage space, ground clearance, visibility and defense all might be really valid considerations depending on the person's circumstance. Instead of a hard line stance, it's better to argue about whether the tool fits the job.

FWIW my family for the most part is carted around in a compact sedan and I think it's perfect for most situations.

I thought I had the real reason for driving an SUV down, thanks for clarifying. ;)

me too ;)

Congratulations on owning an SUV and using it off-road conditions for which it was designed.

Now can you also acknowledge that the criticisms here are not directed towards you?

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« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2018, 04:46:16 PM »

I drive a good gas mileage car.  If anything, I would like even better gas mileage.  I think that for any purpose that I might need an SUV for, I would be better off with a truck or a van.

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« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2018, 04:54:45 PM »
Meh.  I have a ginormous Suburban.  Twice a week it is filled with the volleyball team that I coach, which keeps 7 or 8 other cars off the road entirely. 

Keep in mind that MM writes from the perspective of a 3 person household and does not encourage children to play sports.  Its OK if we're not all the same!

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« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2018, 04:40:28 AM »
I think a standard-sized car with excellent crash tests is superior to an SUV, which has the risk of flipping over in an accident.  I have a VW Jetta Wagon, and with the back seat down, I have a large bay to put stuff into.  I can haul a whole pinball machine in one.

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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2018, 08:58:15 AM »
I thought I had the real reason for driving an SUV down, thanks for clarifying. ;)

me too ;)

Stop ruining the damned mountain bike trails with your gas guzzlers!  :P

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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2018, 09:07:15 AM »
I thought I had the real reason for driving an SUV down, thanks for clarifying. ;)

me too ;)

Stop ruining the damned mountain bike trails with your gas guzzlers!  :P

We try to make up for it by leaving them better than we find them - it's shocking how much trash gets left. :(

We've also cleared a few trees that have fallen on/across trails.

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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2018, 09:08:50 AM »
I thought I had the real reason for driving an SUV down, thanks for clarifying. ;)

me too ;)

Stop ruining the damned mountain bike trails with your gas guzzlers!  :P

We try to make up for it by leaving them better than we find them - it's shocking how much trash gets left. :(

We've also cleared a few trees that have fallen on/across trails.

Don't remove the parts of the course that make it fun!

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« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2018, 09:11:06 AM »
I know it's a matter of personal preference, but I just don't get it.  When my car was in the body shop, the rental guys put me in a Nissan Armada.  Sweet Jesus God!  I could not even close my garage door, so I had to park in the driveway.  I was constantly obsessing about whether I could get it between the lines in parking spaces.  It was too high to use the drive through ATM.  I was very glad to get my real car back.

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« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2018, 09:30:11 AM »
I thought I had the real reason for driving an SUV down, thanks for clarifying. ;)

me too ;)

Stop ruining the damned mountain bike trails with your gas guzzlers!  :P

We try to make up for it by leaving them better than we find them - it's shocking how much trash gets left. :(

We've also cleared a few trees that have fallen on/across trails.

Don't remove the parts of the course that make it fun!

An 8" tree at head level across a snowmobile trail isn't really fun, is it?

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« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2018, 09:37:17 AM »
I thought I had the real reason for driving an SUV down, thanks for clarifying. ;)

me too ;)

Stop ruining the damned mountain bike trails with your gas guzzlers!  :P

We try to make up for it by leaving them better than we find them - it's shocking how much trash gets left. :(

We've also cleared a few trees that have fallen on/across trails.

Don't remove the parts of the course that make it fun!

An 8" tree at head level across a snowmobile trail isn't really fun, is it?

Advanced bunny hopping?  :P

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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2018, 10:54:06 AM »
I know it's a matter of personal preference, but I just don't get it.  When my car was in the body shop, the rental guys put me in a Nissan Armada.  Sweet Jesus God!  I could not even close my garage door, so I had to park in the driveway.  I was constantly obsessing about whether I could get it between the lines in parking spaces.  It was too high to use the drive through ATM.  I was very glad to get my real car back.

The Armada is what we have.  Fits nicely in my garage and never had a problem with any kind of drive through. Are you living in the land of Lilliputians? 😄.

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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2018, 11:09:48 AM »
To be honest, I've always assumed that the reason they're so popular in the US is because they're more comfortable for fat people than small cars. It seems to me that a very large person would have a lot of trouble squishing into a tiny little car.

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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2018, 02:18:03 PM »
I know it's a matter of personal preference, but I just don't get it.  When my car was in the body shop, the rental guys put me in a Nissan Armada.  Sweet Jesus God!  I could not even close my garage door, so I had to park in the driveway.  I was constantly obsessing about whether I could get it between the lines in parking spaces.  It was too high to use the drive through ATM.  I was very glad to get my real car back.

Strangely enough, you get used to that really fast. I used to work for the port authority of NY/NJ, and they gave me a Chevy Suburban to drive around NYC since I had a bunch of concrete testing gear to cart around. My first couple days had me crawling around city streets super slow trying not to hit anyone but by the second week I was parallel parking in Manhattan like it was second nature.  I ended up really liking the truck, though I wasn’t fronting the gas costs since I filled it up every evening at the motor pool pumps.

It’s all about knowing where the edges of your car are, and once you learn them, it’s all gravy.  I suspect that if you drove the Armada for a week or two, you’d be fine.

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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2018, 02:23:44 PM »
To be honest, I've always assumed that the reason they're so popular in the US is because they're more comfortable for fat people than small cars. It seems to me that a very large person would have a lot of trouble squishing into a tiny little car.

You're not the only person to post this, but does a small or medium SUV (most popular) really have much more room in the driver's seat than a mid-sized sedan? I really doubt it. A comfy backseat for one's family is one thing, but I doubt a Subaru Forester's front seats differ in roominess much from a Honda Accord.

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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2018, 04:45:05 PM »
To be honest, I've always assumed that the reason they're so popular in the US is because they're more comfortable for fat people than small cars. It seems to me that a very large person would have a lot of trouble squishing into a tiny little car.
I see a lot of fat people getting in and out of small cars.  Maybe if you're talking about someone who is like 500 pounds, that might be different.

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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2018, 05:24:29 PM »
The other argument that I hear countless times - "I Hate driving small cars/sedans because I like being higher up on the road". My mom, wife, aunts, etc. all have cited this exact reason as why they like larger cars.

They should try a bike. I look over the top of most SUVs while seated. I do ride pretty upright though on a hybrid, not a road bike.

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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2018, 08:02:47 PM »
I'm 6'3 and grateful my Mustang has a telescoping steering column for long trips, when I have the front seat touching the back seat.

Why can't up/down be independent of fwd/back. It moves up/fwd or down/back. I want it up and back.

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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2018, 08:14:17 PM »
Stop ruining the damned mountain bike trails with your gas guzzlers!  :P

The great thing about FS roads, they let the trail gnomes haul their gear up to build some really nice things! :D

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Re: The real reason SUVs are popular
« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2018, 08:45:07 PM »
Its not just fat people but tall people. I'm a tall woman with very long legs. Driving a small car is torture for me.  Even a small SUV or van like the Mazda 5 - which I rented for a month for a road trip and it was pure torture on my legs - is extremely uncomfortable for me. Even in a full size sedan I need to have the seat all the way back to be comfortable and not have my legs all squished up on longer drives (which is really the only time I drive).  I'd be OK in smallish cars if I was just driving local but not long trips.

I currently have a Nissan Quest mini van which is huge (I sleep in it often when travelling) but OK on gas. Before that I had a 2001 Ford Ranger with a shell I had for 11 years and which I sold a few months ago. It got terrible gas mileage but was very comfortable to drive. Since I generally can bike everywhere I only drive for camping road trips and both the truck and van are great for that - plus hauling gear and dogs. I only drive about 7000 - 8000 miles a year so am not using it too often. If I didn't have the van (bought lightly used fairly cheaply) I would have looked into a small or mid sized 4 cylinder SUV. I don't haul around people but do haul around stuff and a dog so an SUV or van is much more practice than a small car or hatchback. And much less painful to drive for us long legged people.

We found out years ago that a larger vehicle is needed if there is a tall driver. Not only for the driver's comfort, but to use the seat behind the driver seat. We needed that seat