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jawisco

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The joy/benefits/economics of electric bicycles
« on: August 23, 2014, 01:57:50 PM »
I recently purchased and installed a kit to make my regular bicycle into an electric bike.  It is a lot of fun and as I have thought more about it, I think it makes a lot of economic sense.

First off, I don't want this topic to be about whether it is better to use an ebike or regular pedal bike - I don't think anyone would argue that using a regular bike is both much cheaper and much better for you health-wise. 

But there are some folks who don't like to pedal a bike or folks who have a longish commute and don't want to pedal for that long or folks who want the option not to have to pedal if it is 100 degrees outside, but still love to be on a bike feeling the wind in their hair. 

I came to want an electric bike because I live in a hilly, rural area and over the years, I have found it hard to summon the incentive to bike 15-30 miles round trip to run an errand or pay a friend a visit.  I know I should do it, but it just wasn't happening, and I found myself either using the car or not doing it at all because I didn't feel like getting into my car.  I did a fair amount of biking still, but mostly shorter trips for fun/excersize.

I wanted to have the ability to get further afield, without having to get into my car.  I love biking, and would way rather be outside, on a silent vehicle, feeling the wind in my hair than I would sitting in a car - even if it took twice as long to get somewhere.  And I loved the idea that I could always pedal as much as I like whenever I like and get as much excersize as I want.

So I purchased a $2000 electric bike kit.  This is a pretty high-end kit and it allows me to go up to 30mph just with the motor alone and has a range of around 40-45 miles on battery power alone.  The battery itself was around $1100.  Most folks could do with a lot less battery - especially in urban or suburban environment.

Still - even with this expensive kit, the economics work out pretty good.  A few assumptions:

- I am going to keep my car and keep my insurance no matter how much I ebike.  If this wasn't the case, and I could get rid of the car/registration/insurance, the payback would be much much quicker.

- My car gets around 30mpg and hardly depreciates at this point, so my running costs are pretty low compared to the average folks - I am estimating it costs me around $.20/mile to run this car (fuel alone is $.12/mile) when I figure in oil changes, tire changes, and avg of $500/repairs/maint per 10000 miles driven. 

- My kWh costs are around $.12/kWh.  To charge my battery fully, after accounting for losses in charging process, it takes around $.20.  So my electricity cost per mile is around $.005/mile - one-half cent per mile.  The only maintenance items I anticipate are tires - I estimate I will go through $100 in tires in 10K miles.

So - to "pay back" my $2000 investment:

- every mile I bike and don't drive, I am saving $.195/mile.  I divide my initial cost of $2000/.195  and I get 10,256 miles until I break even.  Add in the bike tire costs, and I need to go 10,769 miles until I break even. 

- and after breaking even, I should have at least another 25K miles on my battery before that needs to be replaced.  25K miles x .195 = $4800 saved

So it isn't going to make you super rich, but that seems pretty good for me.  And the most important thing is that is gets me out of the car and onto my bike - out in the world, riding a silent vehicle, no parking issues, no traffic issues, able to take prettier/less busy/less dangerous routes because the extra distance is no big deal.  And I can pedal as much or as little as I want. 

I am glad I bought it, but I think if I was living in city/suburbia and had a 7-10 miles commute to work, that would be the best use of electric bike....

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Re: The joy/benefits/economics of electric bicycles
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2014, 11:16:10 PM »
I love my xtracycle radish with electric assist.  I get so many comments when I have both kids on back.  Loads of fun.  I should ride more.

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Re: The joy/benefits/economics of electric bicycles
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2014, 02:11:49 AM »
I got a ebike kit to cut my commute time so I could spend more time at home with my young family. 20 minutes saved per day x 400 days is well worth the $400 I paid for the kit.

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Re: The joy/benefits/economics of electric bicycles
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2014, 02:29:04 AM »
Thanks for posting your thoughts, @jawisco -- due to an injury I can't ride my bike and have been watching online videos about ebikes. Your comments include some of the reasons I am considering a conversion kit.

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Re: The joy/benefits/economics of electric bicycles
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2014, 05:30:22 AM »
Electric bicycles have pretty much all the physical and mental health benefits of a bicycle, with the range and speed of a car (in an urban environment). I look forward to needing one, so I can justify buying one. =P

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Re: The joy/benefits/economics of electric bicycles
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2014, 07:31:30 AM »
Probably worth sharing which kit you got. I'm curious if it's a hub motor or a pedal through design.

I looked at e-bikes but they're just too spendy for me, and also too much of a niche. Under 20 miles, no question I'm taking the bike, and my older kids can bike 10-15 mile round trip if there's no need to be fast about it. Over 40 miles and it's a pretty rare kit that can pull 400 pounds of people plus the heavy batteries for range, so it's back to the car.

Trips between 20-40 miles are rare enough for me, specifically, that I decided against them.

I was also concerned how the pedal assist would affect traction in the snow.

I'm glad they're working for you though :)

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Re: The joy/benefits/economics of electric bicycles
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2014, 08:04:08 AM »
I'm also all for electric bikes, I agree they make sense in a lot of situations as you described. I think you're being overly conservative with your savings, though. I would imagine your cost of driving is considerably higher than $0.20/mile, so I think you'll recover your investment even faster (maybe double or more; I think the IRS estimate is around $0.50/mile).

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Re: The joy/benefits/economics of electric bicycles
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2014, 08:20:02 AM »
Sounds like I am not the only one enjoying ebikes.  And doubledown is correct, I am being very conservative with my cost savings - for most folks, the savings (and payback) would be much higher.

The kit I got is both on the expensive and powerful side.  In town, it could be a lot smaller.  Here is what I got - http://em3ev.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=45&product_id=186

I went with the 24.8AH battery - total kit weight was around 45lbs.  This is from a reputable vendor in China who supplies high quality parts and my kit is heavy duty as well as allows a ton of different riding styles - from pedal assist (you need to pedal, but then motor makes you superhuman) to just throttle based or any variation in between. 

It makes the bike heavy, but you don't notice it with the motor.  I put it on my regular bike, which is a 1980's panasonic touring road bike.  I may get another bike if I feel the need for pedal only riding.

You can find other options - you will pay more, but the kits might be more plug and play.  Another good vendor for USA/Canada is ebikes.ca.  I am sure there are many more.

If you are a DIY type of person there is great info/help at endless sphere ebike forum.  The kit I got required a bunch of DIY and research, but from what I have heard, the ezee kits at ebikes.ca are more simpler. 

I know it may be hard to swallow the costs, but that is why I wrote the post - I think for the forward thinking mustachian in the right situation, an ebike can make great economic sense.  Like a lot of investments, it requires an upfront cost.  This kept me from taking the plunge, but once I did the math, I realized I shouldn't have hesitated.

If you have any interest, I urge you to visit a shop that has electric bikes you can use for a test drive and give it a shot.  My wife wasn't very excited about ebikes until she test rode mine - then she told me to order her a kit the very next day. 


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Re: The joy/benefits/economics of electric bicycles
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2014, 08:37:05 AM »
Those that can't afford the premium kit can roll their own for about $500.

For that you can get a 500 watt hub motor, controller, thumb throttle, and about 300 watt-hour of Lithium battery.

I electrified a tadpole trike with a 1000 watt hub motor (for 3 wheel drive since I motorized the rear wheel) and about 800 watt-hour of LiPo.   It has about a 40 mile range on electric only at 25mph or greater than 100 mile range if I pedal assist and go around 15 to 20mph.  The only think I don't like is the low profile of the trike...aerodynamic but your head is about at car bumper height.  I only use it on designated paths.

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Re: The joy/benefits/economics of electric bicycles
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2014, 08:57:51 AM »
I have looked at Ebikes for years, I still might, we were actually talking about taking a really long cross country ride, and I wondered if I could get an electric assist for those times, I can not keep up with my DH, are they heavy duty enough to help a tandem bike? I want a tandem so my young son can ride with me.

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Re: The joy/benefits/economics of electric bicycles
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2014, 09:36:14 AM »
Greenmimama - sure you can get an electric assist for a tandem - just would need a strong motor and plenty of battery.  taking it on long tour would mean staying in hotel rooms for charging.

Gilead brings up a good point about rolling your own - it will take a lot of time and energy to research things - and some real skills and knowledge if you are going to make your own battery, but certainly doable.  Endless sphere forum a good place to start for that.

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Re: The joy/benefits/economics of electric bicycles
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2015, 12:23:04 PM »
Endless-sphere.com is the go-to place for learning about DIY ebikes.

Good to see that others here understand and enjoy the benefits of an ebike, especially one they converted themself!


You might argue that a pedal only bike is healthier for you and cheaper, BUT it's not always true. The simple fact is that over a certain distance, amount of hills, heat - you just won't choose to use a pedal only bike. You will get in a car instead. (this ignores the true diehard cyclist commuters who are the .001% of the population.)

An ebike can indeed provide MORE savings (do you know how expensive food calories to mechanical energy are?) if you have a long commute.

The truth is that for vast majority of situations, an ebike will make it much more realistic to use everyday. You can still pedal your ass off, btw.

Now, if you only have a mile or two to go in temps under 85 degrees, and not hilly, then a pedal only bike is hard to argue with.

I certainly don't think you should have to spend $3k on a new ebike. Learn to convert your own for under $1000. I've been doing it as a hobby and small business for 4 years. I have 18,000 miles on my ebikes. (I have too many, realizing I need to cut the heard of parts!). I can around just as fast as a car in most cases. 100 degrees is a joy. Hills are nothing. Cold weather? Bring it on. Because of the ebike I can regulate my temperature MUCH better and pedal when cold, coast when hot. I don't sweat and I'm always warm.

Disclaimer: I still road bike for fun, use to race competitively for years, use to own a car, still use a car with my wife (or converted electric motorcycle), and try to minimize the amount of car usage we have because I hate being a hypocrite. Who wants to breath polluted air?

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Re: The joy/benefits/economics of electric bicycles
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2015, 10:12:09 AM »
Most of my riding is in the 3-7 mile range. I often ride my bike now but having electric assist as an option would be useful for when I'm wanting to arrive somewhere and not be sweaty, or simply to boost my average speed from 10mph through hilly terrain on my Trek Hybrid to ~15-20mph. Higher speeds could even mean I start biking when I go to the rock climbing gym 10 miles away vs carpooling.

I've been thinking of getting the Hill Topper from Clean Republic at http://www.electric-bike-kit.com/hill-topper.aspx for a while now since it's in the $500-$700 range for a simple setup that would just involve changing out the front wheel and attaching the battery to my bike, adding ~10 pounds overall and still letting me have all the gears I had before. My main hesitation is that I haven't seen them really recommended. Many people seem to not care for front wheel electric drive, and it's low powered at 250 watts.

 

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