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Re: Talk me out of it... Bose headphones.
« Reply #50 on: February 08, 2017, 01:37:23 PM »
Some people seem to think that MMM is advocating for such extreme frugality and minimalist that you should give up all luxuries. No. He's not. Come on, the man built himself, in his own words, a "fancypants detached studio" recently. According to that article, he spent $30,700 on that. That's incredibly cheap for one, since he did it all himself and didn't have to pay labor for some contractor team to do it. But that's still 5 figures to build what's ultimately an unnecessary man-cave.

Headphones are something that can last you for YEARS. $350 for a pair of headphones is less than some people spend on restaurant bills in a single month. If you like the quality of them, believe you will enjoy them, and will get lots of use of them - yeah. I think it's a luxury that's worth spending on.

And, FWIW, my husband is a bit of an audiophile. We have some fancypants speakers connected to our TV - speakers that cost more than what you plan to spend on headphones *each*. But he bought them used (saved money there!) and we use them a LOT. We've had them for a long time and they still sound wonderful. It was worth it.

I agree with you 100%.

If I go to my buddies place they have a $30,000 CAD speaker set-up. If you close your eyes you'd swear it was being played live. Far far beyond my budget but it's what makes them happy. They're in a place where it fits with their ideals so why not? MMM doesn't want people to stop living and enjoying life just to skimp and save. You'd be miserable.

 As I said just above you:

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He's not about the extreme living. He's not about minimalism. He's about lifestyle balance.

Audio gear to bring music I love to life is something I'll never skimp on. The quality gear lasts and it does empirically sound better.

With headphones in general, especially once your in the mid-fi range, there are many people buying and reselling headphones to try out. The used market is huge and they tend to hold their value.

I found my first pair that really made me enjoy music years ago when I was 18. I bought a set of Audio Technica ATH-AD2000s brand new since Canada's dollar was doing so well at the time. I paid 540,000 YEN (~$550 CAD). I then sold all of my headphones and related gear 4 years later (with the exception of a portable pair) due to changing priorities. I got $500 CAD for my ATH-AD2000s. Not bad for 4 years of use eh?

Live moved on as it does and one day I decided to sit down to listen to music. I then realised I had made a huge mistake. Everything sounded HORRIBLE. My laptop's DAC was garbage and producing hissing noises and ticks. There was no life to the music; everything was harsh and muddled. I learned that day owning a quality DAC was paramount to a fantastic listening experience. Great headphones paired with that DAC is even better.

Fast forward another 3 years. I've went back to and completed college. I got a new job that paid decent so the first thing I set out to do was buy a new DAC and buy back my favorite headphones. Turns out they had released a newer model (Audio Technica ATH-AD2000x), but with Canada's dollar being shit they were INSANELY expensive brand new ($900). I ended up finding a guy in Australia selling a pair used. Shipping to my door and after exchange fees I paid $450 CAD.

There's a large difference between a $20 and $100 pair and a monstrous difference once you play in the $500 range. I've literally had a tear run down my cheek because the music had moved me so much.** I'll never get that emotional response from a $20 or $100* pair.

*Massdrop is wonderful. HiFi-Man HE-350 (Similar to HiFi-Man HE-300) for $99 USD, a fantastic deal. Acoustic guitar never felt so lively and engaging as it does on these.

**Results may vary. I'm using an audiophile grade DAC.
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Re: Talk me out of it... Bose headphones.
« Reply #51 on: February 08, 2017, 02:01:18 PM »
Someone said they only slightly cancel thee engine noise...I would disagree.

I was flying 50% of the time a year ago and they make a HUGE difference in killing the drone of the engines (which is fatiguing IMO).  Can you still hear the engines... but it's night and day IMO...play some music and it's bliss.  I'm not an audiophile though.

I don't know about the other noise cancelling headsets, but they all seemed to be over $200 when I tried to compare.  I wish I didn't have the cord, but I really only use it on flights.

Before this I listened to headphones, it was just noise on top of noise.

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Re: Talk me out of it... Bose headphones.
« Reply #52 on: February 08, 2017, 04:56:15 PM »
Bose sounds like crap - actually all noise canceling sound like crap. If you really need noise isolation, go with Ultimate Ear, Etymotic, Nobal or JHA.

I have been around this hobby for 15 years and speaking from experience.

I will echo an earlier mention of massdrop - look on massdrop for deals. Recently bought another HD650 for $200 - I paid $400 for my first one, and $350 for my second one.
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Re: Talk me out of it... Bose headphones.
« Reply #53 on: February 08, 2017, 05:26:13 PM »
Thanks everyone for their input.  I am listening.  Still haven't pulled the trigger on anything though.

I did try these on last night at 'worst buy'.  https://www.amazon.com/JBL-Noise-Canceling-Bluetooth-Around-Ear-Headphones/dp/B01AV4PR9I/ref=sr_1_17?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1486599520&sr=1-17&keywords=jbl+headphones  I thought they sounded better than the Bose - but they were uncomfortable to me.  I also noticed that the left ear on some of the cheaper units were not working - which seems to be a JBL problem across the board - which has me shying away from them.

I also tried Sony's offerings and I thought they had WAY too much base. 

I certainly heard a difference in all of the headphones over ~$150 when compared to those that were cheaper.  This makes me a bit hesitant to spend less than that.

I did look at my local Craigslist for new (to me) cans - nothing that interested me too much right now.

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Re: Talk me out of it... Bose headphones.
« Reply #54 on: February 08, 2017, 07:51:55 PM »
Well, I pulled the trigger on these:
https://www.amazon.com/Bose-SoundLink-around-ear-wireless-headphones/dp/B0117RGG8E/ref=sr_1_49?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1486601594&sr=1-49&keywords=wireless+headphones

They sound amazing to me - maybe a hair too much highs at high volume - but I have sensitive ears.  I found them at Target for $221.XX out the door (the box had already been opened - and I didn't get to pick the color - I would have chose the other color personally).  I just couldn't justify another $200 (After tax) to get the noise cancelling ones.  Maybe in 5-10 years when I'm in the market again I'll get the noise cancelling ones.  So far I'm pleased.  The real test will be at work tomorrow though - I'm guessing they will work great though.

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Re: Talk me out of it... Bose headphones.
« Reply #55 on: February 08, 2017, 11:35:08 PM »
Well, I pulled the trigger on these:
https://www.amazon.com/Bose-SoundLink-around-ear-wireless-headphones/dp/B0117RGG8E/ref=sr_1_49?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1486601594&sr=1-49&keywords=wireless+headphones

They sound amazing to me - maybe a hair too much highs at high volume - but I have sensitive ears.  I found them at Target for $221.XX out the door (the box had already been opened - and I didn't get to pick the color - I would have chose the other color personally).  I just couldn't justify another $200 (After tax) to get the noise cancelling ones.  Maybe in 5-10 years when I'm in the market again I'll get the noise cancelling ones.  So far I'm pleased.  The real test will be at work tomorrow though - I'm guessing they will work great though.

Well, you'll find out if noise cancelling is necessary and if they're not satisfactory you can always return them. If they work that's some decent savings.

...The only exception is if you specifically want headphones for use on an airplane, in which case the noise canceling in their Quiet Comfort stuff is supposed to be pretty good...

Only time I ever use Bose is when I need noise cancelling. Very comfortable and no fatigue even on transatlantic flights.
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« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2017, 12:17:14 AM »
I've just passed 5 years of Bose on my ears, with a slightly different view. I can successfully say I have just about exactly 4300 hours of "earphone time" logged since i bought them. I use the A20's with the bluetooth. They are a prong plug in, we work in dusty, dirty, sometimes +35C sometimes -35C enviornment. After 5 years of dropping them, stretching, bending and stepping on them as well as all the needs of a pilot, I can confidently say they're rugged stuff.

Quite a few passengers of ours use the QC or other versions as well, at the pointy end of the airplane they're the most popular I see. I too realized that my initial needs weren't just for the sound but the over-ear comfort being paramount. Secondly, the noise cancelling is big in two ways. As mentioned earlier, it does help (I find) to increase conversation while decreasing engine noises, actively. Similarly, I look bigger picture to say that if I'm in an environment that is even slightly louder than normal for prolonged periods, it's necessary, I could use hearing protection. That, in place of hearing aids and the time/money spent years earlier like many of my soon to retire coworkers are discovering. I realize your needs may not immediately that of mine, but that, I believe is the focal point of any noise cancelling, active or passive (safety and protection over clarity).

Beyond some simple comments of how much I've beat these up, I think it's well worth studying what options are available for warranty. My aviation grade headset got 5 years. At just before the end of warranty I shipped away and was sent back essentially a brand new headset. They'd replaced almost every component. The detailed work list included them touching and inspecting everything. There's no reason for me to get less than 10 years out of these, which are still very competitive in the market today.

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Re: Talk me out of it... Bose headphones.
« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2017, 10:51:26 AM »
Audio gear to bring music I love to life is something I'll never skimp on. The quality gear lasts and it does empirically sound better.

I agree with much of what you've written, but take slight issue with this part.

Besides the fact that 'better' is a meaningless word (perfectly flat frequency response studio monitors in an anaechoic chamber produce better, more accurate audio than anything else you can find . . . but listening to music through them will sound like shit).  The empirical tests that I've seen tend to show that there's little real audible advantage between having a 150$ pair of headphones and a 1500$ pair of headphones.  Then you get into the differences between high end stuff which nearly always end up being personal preference.

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Re: Talk me out of it... Bose headphones.
« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2017, 11:35:58 AM »
Bought some nice headphones at Costco by Sony for less than $100.  They are nice.  Also wonderful for conference calls as they have a microphone. 

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Re: Talk me out of it... Bose headphones.
« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2017, 01:17:06 PM »
I've just passed 5 years of Bose on my ears, with a slightly different view. I can successfully say I have just about exactly 4300 hours of "earphone time" logged since i bought them. I use the A20's with the bluetooth. They are a prong plug in, we work in dusty, dirty, sometimes +35C sometimes -35C enviornment. After 5 years of dropping them, stretching, bending and stepping on them as well as all the needs of a pilot, I can confidently say they're rugged stuff.

Quite a few passengers of ours use the QC or other versions as well, at the pointy end of the airplane they're the most popular I see. I too realized that my initial needs weren't just for the sound but the over-ear comfort being paramount. Secondly, the noise cancelling is big in two ways. As mentioned earlier, it does help (I find) to increase conversation while decreasing engine noises, actively. Similarly, I look bigger picture to say that if I'm in an environment that is even slightly louder than normal for prolonged periods, it's necessary, I could use hearing protection. That, in place of hearing aids and the time/money spent years earlier like many of my soon to retire coworkers are discovering. I realize your needs may not immediately that of mine, but that, I believe is the focal point of any noise cancelling, active or passive (safety and protection over clarity).

Beyond some simple comments of how much I've beat these up, I think it's well worth studying what options are available for warranty. My aviation grade headset got 5 years. At just before the end of warranty I shipped away and was sent back essentially a brand new headset. They'd replaced almost every component. The detailed work list included them touching and inspecting everything. There's no reason for me to get less than 10 years out of these, which are still very competitive in the market today.

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thanks for your $0.02... I will be getting a pair of these for LSA use later this year hopefully!

So back to OP...the headset you got doesn't have active noise cancellation?  Did you decide you didn't need that feature?

Like Highflyingstache alluded to about retiring pilots...I'd rather have good hearing than good "sound" .

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Re: Talk me out of it... Bose headphones.
« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2017, 02:21:39 PM »
So back to OP...the headset you got doesn't have active noise cancellation?  Did you decide you didn't need that feature?

It was on the wish list but it wasn't a strict requirement.  I've used them most of the day now.  I can hear stuff going on if the volume is very low.  But everything else is masked pretty well if the music is at normal comfortable levels.

I got an open box special for $212 - saving myself about $90 after tax.  I did decide that noise cancelling was not worth an additional $200 after tax.

They sound great too.  Despite the haters.  I'm pleased so far.

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« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2017, 07:16:59 PM »
I bought mine at Nordstrom and they have a pretty amazing return policy... great way to try them out!

I second this. Just bought these earlier this week, and got them from Nordstrom. Bought Nordstrom gift cards from Raise for 7% off, and used Ebates on the Nordstrom purchase, so 350 went down to about 300 when all was said and done. And I am HOOKED. Range seems to be about 25 feet in my home; haven't tested range at work yet. SO worth it.

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Re: Talk me out of it... Bose headphones.
« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2017, 03:02:58 AM »
Seems like you want them.
Buy it.... you know the cost, you know the pros and cons.
If you need to justify it, cut something back that is = or greater value to "pay for it"

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Re: Talk me out of it... Bose headphones.
« Reply #63 on: February 10, 2017, 05:56:15 PM »
Audio gear to bring music I love to life is something I'll never skimp on. The quality gear lasts and it does empirically sound better.
The empirical tests that I've seen tend to show that there's little real audible advantage between having a 150$ pair of headphones and a 1500$ pair of headphones.  Then you get into the differences between high end stuff which nearly always end up being personal preference.

Oh definitely. Diminishing returns are exponential in the audio world. If I want to listen to metal/rock/acoustic/bluegrass I'm grabbing my HiFiMan HE-350s I paid $150 CAD for. Anything else I'll be using my Audio Technicas which were 3x the cost used. It's always humbling when I make the switch.

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« Reply #64 on: June 01, 2017, 11:47:54 AM »
Bumping up this thread. I went with these Sennheisers when Audiogeeks had a sale:

https://www.audiogeeks.com/headphones/sennheiser-hd1-over-ear-wireless-headphones?ref=banner

I've been using it for the past two months, and I love it. It's light, quality of materials is great, fits me well, and the sound quality is excellent. I mostly use it in the bluetooth format, and have it connected to both my Macbook and android phone. I was planning on using it primarily for music, but actually ended up using it a lot more for work related calls. I work from home, and have to handle a lot of meetings. These headphones have amazing call clarity and are comfortable to wear most of the day. It's completely worth the price to me, and I can legitimately include this in my business expenses deduction without squirming with guilt.

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« Reply #65 on: June 01, 2017, 01:01:26 PM »
For those not wanting to spend hundreds on nice headphones, I really recommend these:

http://www.nvx.com/xpt100-studio-over-ear-headphones/

Very good sound quality, balanced highs and lows, and very comfortable for extended wearing at work.

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Re: Talk me out of it... Bose headphones.
« Reply #66 on: June 01, 2017, 02:03:54 PM »
For those not wanting to spend hundreds on nice headphones, I really recommend these:

http://www.nvx.com/xpt100-studio-over-ear-headphones/

Very good sound quality, balanced highs and lows, and very comfortable for extended wearing at work.

Decent bluetooth was a hard requirement for me so these wouldn't have worked.

I've had my headphones for about 4 months now.  Love them.  Would spend $212 on them again.  I ended up with the SoundLink-II's.  I've also taken them to Europe and Africa with me in that time frame - they travel really well.  I still think they are the best headphones I've listened to. 

Two minuses: 1) I was never able to get them to pair with my computer at work - but I think that had to do with old Bios firmware - and I wan't brave enough to do that on my company machine.  and 2) my 6yo daughter always steals them when I bring them home.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!